1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, enjoy, Bye bye, thinking sideways. I 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: don't understand. You never know stories of things. We simply 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Okay, do you guys want 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: to hear a story chase? There is not a car chase. 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: There is a murder though. Oh that's good enough, that works. 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: I like that sweet? All right? You ready? Yeah. The 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: victim was found dead at six thirty am December one, 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: under a street lamp in Australia. That is all we 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: know about this man. Mm hmm. That's that was a 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: short story. I gotta say. Anyway, everybody, thank you for listening. 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: I have more information, but we should introduce ourselves first. Yeah, 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm Steve, I'm Joe. So you want to hear more? Yeah, okay. 26 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: So that's all we know really about him, the man 27 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: he was found dead. Those are the only facts about 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: those are about him, Okay, okay. So there's this mystery 29 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: surrounding his death. So the first thing that was a 30 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: little weird was that somebody called the authorities. Obviously, they 31 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: came and they took him away to do an autopsy. 32 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: And the first thing they noticed that was weird was 33 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: that all of the clothing identification marks, tags, etcetera. Had 34 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: been removed from his suit and shirt and tie and 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: all that stuff. That's a little weird. So not not 36 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: a single label, and a single label what about his underwear? 37 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: Not a single label any of his unwar for that matter. 38 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: So then they did the autopsy, which revealed that this 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: guy was in exceptional health. He had a half digested 40 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: pastry in his stomach, there was congestion to his brain 41 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: and stomach that would have been consistent with poisoning, except 42 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: for that. They tested his blood and there was no 43 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: poison in his system at all, So he just mysteriously died. Yes, 44 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: and his spleen was three times too big, but that 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: won't kill a man. What causes splain enlargement and brain 46 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and stomach congestion? What causes that? I don't know and 47 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: nor do they. They eventually placed the jacket that he 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: was wearing to America, but it was weird because when 49 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: they sent the dental records and fingerprints, it didn't match 50 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: anyone who had lived there. Ever, and where was he 51 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: found again? Australia? Where in Australia the coach of the 52 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Somerton Beach where the heck is up? Did in adelaide? Yes? 53 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: So um, when they traced his close to America, does 54 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: that mean they traced it to an American manufacturer, to 55 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: an American tailor or what American manufacturer? So they were 56 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: they were store about clothes they weren't tailored. Upon further 57 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: examination of his clothes they found a secret pocket and 58 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: his pants which contained a little tiny scrap of paper 59 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: with the words Taman shrewd printed on it, um which in. 60 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: I think it's Arabic means nished or ended. They figured 61 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: out that this was last page from a book, a 62 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: very rare translation of this book called the Ribiotro that one. 63 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: But because I know how to say words, it was 64 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: an extremely rare translation of that. Uh So they of 65 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: course did the logical thing and started an Australia White 66 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: search for any and all of these translations of this book. 67 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: Some guy, just some random guy mentioned just after a 68 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: couple of months of this search going on, he said, oh, 69 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, I found an exact copy of that book 70 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: in the backseat of my car that was parked like 71 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: two blocks away from where you guys found. This guy 72 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: the right him, no, damn, So he brought he brought 73 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: his book. They said, oh, we'll look into it, okay, 74 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: And the back page had been torn out, which was 75 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: consistent because he had the back page in his little 76 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: secret pocket. And they found this code written on the 77 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: next back page. Okay. Now, this is a code that 78 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: has been proven to be an actual code. They've decided 79 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: that it has actually code coded message, but has never 80 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: been solved. So they don't know what kind of cipher 81 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: it is. They don't know the cipher Okay, as far 82 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: as anyone can tell, he made this cipher up. But 83 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: it's not long enough for them to get any patterns, 84 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: to establish any patterns to be able to break this code. So, yeah, 85 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: how many letters are in the message? Oh? No, I mean, 86 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: is it's it ten or is it fifty or or what? 87 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: For lines? Four lines of texts? It's a really simple cipher. 88 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: I think the problem is is that there's not enough 89 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: of it. There's not enough. There's not enough of it 90 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: to figure out what the key to the site for it, 91 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: So they don't know if it's a substitution or some Yeah, 92 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: you can probably figure out if a substitution cipher a message. 93 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: You probably could, but it's probably a one time pad, 94 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: which is why they can't break it. So, and what 95 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: is a one time pad? Joe? Oh yeah, the one 96 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: time pad. Yeah, for those of you who don't know 97 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: what that is, it's like a one time pad is 98 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: when you either generate a sequence of random numbers, or 99 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: you use like a book or a newspaper article, whatever, 100 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: and assigned numbers to all those and then say you 101 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: for every every number in your message or every letter 102 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: in your message, just converted to a number. So A 103 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: is one, B is two. And then if you're using 104 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: and say it books, the one time pad, you convert 105 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: that into the same kind of numbers, add those to 106 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: your characters, and then if somebody else has that same 107 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: pad to translate it with. And it's not it's not 108 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: a substitution cipher, because it is a substitution cipher. But 109 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: it's not like you're substituting a letter for another letter 110 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: consistently for B. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and so and so 111 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: those are impossible to break, at least it's far as 112 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I know, maybe with modern supercomputers, and and yet you 113 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: know in Google and everything like that, maybe one time 114 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: pads are impossible break. People as recently as two twelve 115 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: have tried to decipher this and it can't be done. Yeah, 116 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: and yeah, and so it's a one time pad. Obviously 117 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: the ruby out of Iams probably not, the probably not 118 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: the key, probably not. Also, in the back of this 119 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: book there was a telephone number. It was an unlisted 120 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: telephone number belonging to a nurse who lived like four 121 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: hundred meters north I'm sorry, undred feet of where the 122 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: body was found. So of course the police go to investigate, 123 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: and she says Oh yeah, I owned a copy of 124 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: that book. But in nine at the Clifton Gardens Hotel 125 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: in Sydney, I gave it to a lieutenant named Alfred 126 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: Boxell because we were in love. Weird, okay, Why is 127 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: an unlisted number of years in the back this? Okay? 128 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: So maybe this is Alfred Boxer Boxer Boxhall. It's one 129 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: of those three things. She said that they were in love. 130 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: But late nineteen mystery man had asked her next door 131 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: neighbor about her and nobody really knows who that was. 132 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: And that was just before this guy showed up. Honestly, 133 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: the mystery man. The mystery man was that was that 134 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: identified as being our dead body. So they showed her 135 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: a picture of him on the lab. It wasn't gruesome. 136 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: You can find this picture online easily. It just looks 137 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: like he's sleeping. And she said, no, I don't know 138 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: who that person is. But according to the detective, she 139 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: was completely taken aback, to the point of giving the 140 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: appearance that she was about to faint. Lying. So they 141 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: start thinking, all right, boxall' is the dead man. This 142 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: is his copy. It all makes sense, that's why he's here. 143 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: He was lieutenant in the Army. He's really doing something 144 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: kind of clandestine until voxel shows up just out of 145 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: the blue. No, he's working maintenance in the Randwick bus depot, 146 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: which is I think not even in Australia. So he 147 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: showed up or they tracked him, the tracks him down 148 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: and he still has his copy. Ohs plot thickens. He 149 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,119 Speaker 1: still has his copy. And it's the same edition obviously, 150 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: and the last pages obviously still there. Um. But she 151 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: had sir written, uh handwritten a verse out. It was 152 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: verse seventy on the front cover. It was the same thing. 153 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: What's with these people who do stuff like that? It's 154 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: it's it's extremely rare, probably valuable copy of this edition 155 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: of this book and you just write all of you know, yeah, 156 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: well is that? Is that a smart thing to do? 157 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: It was beautiful the verse that she wrote. But why 158 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: would you to face a book like that? M hm 159 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: now sorry for our librarian audience. The um. So in 160 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: March of two thousand nine, a team led by a 161 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: professor decided that they would crack the code by testing 162 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: the body for DNA. Oh yeah, that makes sense right, 163 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: except for that none of the DNA of his body survived, 164 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: buried him they actually exhumed the body, exumed the body, 165 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: and it was just you know, he had been buried 166 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: and imposing and it was embed him, didn't they Yeah, 167 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: but they do. You would think they'd be able to 168 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: find a little DNA somewhere, but they apparently couldn't. But 169 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: they were going to use DNA to identify who he was. Yes, 170 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: they're going to try, at least, not that there were 171 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: DNA records then, but they could maybe trace it to 172 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: someone who was living now, you know whatever. Um. Additionally, 173 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: this st the same investigative team said that police had 174 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: found that the packet of cigarettes that he had had 175 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: different a different brand of cigarettes inside of the pack, 176 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: and the police had originally said, oh, well, this is 177 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: a common army like thing. You buy the one pack 178 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: of expensive ones, and then you buy a bunch of 179 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: cheap ones and you just keep feeling your expensive box 180 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: with your cheap cigarettes, so it looks like you're smoking 181 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: more expensive cigarettes, except for that the cigarettes that were 182 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: in his box were more expensive than the box cigarettes, 183 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: so they thought maybe there had been some poison administered 184 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: that way, although again they never found any poison in 185 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: his system. It was obviously techniques and there's yeah, there's 186 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: the potential that they just missed it. And then in 187 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, a woman contacted some really sad cold 188 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: case detective who's still assigned to this case because it's 189 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: never been closed, and said that she found an identification 190 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: card of an HC. Rentals Reynolds that she had found 191 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: in her father's possession. It was a document from the 192 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: United States to foreign semen given given during World War One. 193 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: And they compared the photograph to the man who died 194 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: and it was almost identical. They said it was a 195 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: it was a very good match. They shared a few 196 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: unique identifiers within their face, and then their ears were 197 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: the same. So the idea their ears he had a 198 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: if you look closely at these pictures, he had a 199 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: genetic defect in that it made part of his ear 200 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: larger than other parts of his ear, like not like 201 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: a normal ear, which is a genetic mutation found in 202 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: like two percent of the population or something like that. 203 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: It's incredibly uncommon. So that along with the fact that 204 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: his face looked alike, and that makes more sense, I 205 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: got it just random. His years might be like a 206 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: great way to find like relatives of those of his 207 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: that yeah, so they said, oh, okay, so this is 208 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: probably this guy. Uh. The ID card was issued in 209 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: February on February eighteen to HC. Reynolds. Uh. It gave 210 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: his nationality as British and his age as eighteen. Uh. 211 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: They did searches in the U s National Archives, the 212 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: UK National Archives, and the Australian War Memorial Research Center, 213 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: and they have failed to come up with any actual 214 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: records of an HC. Reynolds. So it's a fake name 215 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: or fake idea. They're not sure. Okay, but it is 216 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: this man's I d so he he looks I mean 217 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: he died this this story. He died in forty eight right, 218 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: and the idea was issued in nineteen eighteen. Did you 219 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: say so, it's thirty years later. He could have been 220 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: in the picture. It's hard to tell. Yeah, I mean 221 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: it's boy all black and white. It's kind of bad quality. 222 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: He could have been of that age. He also could 223 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: have lied about his age to get into the military, 224 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: although he was obviously lying about other things too, given 225 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: that there's no record of him ever existing prior to 226 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: what else? Did everything? So? So so Again, that idea 227 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: was issued in nineteen eighteen by the Brits and they 228 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: had eaten by the United States. Okay, and so and 229 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: but but he was a British nationality and it was 230 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: one of those ideas they gave out during World War 231 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: One when people who lived other places would come and say, 232 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: I want to fight for the USA and like, okay, great, 233 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: here's your idea. Okay. So so, in other words, it 234 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: was never documented that he was actually a brit No. 235 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of assumed that they would have 236 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: done some research into that, but maybe it was the 237 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: time of war and things were kind of yeah, so okay, 238 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: so that's all you guys get saying. So, but where 239 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: was this idea the US? In the US, so he 240 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: shows up at our doorstep will give an idea. It's 241 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: like today, that's kind of similar. But we know that 242 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: the stuff that he wrote in the on the page 243 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: that they found in his pocket, it was just in 244 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: his pants pocket, right. No, No, the last page of 245 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: the book was in his pants pocket. He had written 246 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: the cipher in the back of this book. Ostensibly what 247 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: happened is he had a copy of this book, he 248 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: wrote his cipher out, tore out the last page, and 249 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: threw it into the guy's car. I assume the guy 250 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: has just left left his window open something something because 251 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: he didn't know it wasn't his copy, so obviously in 252 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: the back of his car. Obviously he threw his coded 253 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: message in the back of the wrong car, I guess. 254 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: And how how do we know that it's a cipher 255 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: and not just gibberish that somebody wrote down. There's been 256 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: a lot of analysis about it by like real live 257 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: code breakers. People have spent a lot of time decoding it, 258 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: and there are pad earns, but not enough patterns to 259 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: establish what letter it might be. There's repetition in that's 260 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: indicative of it being English words. Okay, so it's based 261 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: on the English line it's based on they're assuming it's 262 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: based on English. It may not be. It could for 263 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, it is entirely possible that he was just 264 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: like a Russian who was like bored and deranged, wrote 265 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: just random gibberish down. But well, entirely possible. You say, 266 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna mess with somebody's head. I'm gonna write this 267 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: could a message and put it back to somebody's car, 268 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: and then we'll have this eternal mystery about it, and 269 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: then I'll die. Yeah, I don't think he planned on 270 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: that bar. Yeah. Yeah, So the so the clues I'll 271 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: point to, Um, this guy was either say Russian royalty, Um, 272 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: he's the missing Princess Anastasia or something like that. That's 273 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: pretty enough to be. Yeah, I mean, I don't know 274 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: there's anybody like like checked out the Russian royal family 275 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: to find out, like the bazaars to find out any 276 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: of them had that genetic anomaly. None of them. Okay, yeah, 277 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: so they're they're pretty sure that it is this guy 278 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: ht Reynolds. But yeah, well the other the other possibility 279 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: is that he was just it could have been just 280 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: like infiltrated into America by another foreign intelligence service with 281 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: a bunch of money to pay agents, and he had 282 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: scounded with it, which would explain why he was trying 283 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: to hide and hide his wealth by you know, like 284 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: taking the labels out of his out of his jackets 285 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: and and putting expensive cigarettes in a cheap container. You know, 286 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: so just keeping a little profile that way. I mean, 287 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: why why did somebody kill him? That's uh, you know, 288 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: probably say let's let's say he's let's say he's a Soviet. 289 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: Let's say they eventually caught up with him. That's if 290 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: you double across those guys, they will they will not 291 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: you know, eventually they'll find you probably, you know they 292 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: do in every Hollywood movie they get pound out, yeah somewhere. Yeah. So, 293 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: I mean, that's entirely a possible thing. I don't know, 294 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: but it's just speculation. I don't know speculation. I did find. 295 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if you came across this when you 296 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: were doing your research, but when I was brushing up 297 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: on this, I did find one thing of somebody saying 298 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: they might have figured out the cause of death. I 299 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: don't know if you'd ever come across I have ever 300 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: come across that. Okay, so I did find let's see 301 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: this is this came out guy by name of John Phillips, 302 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: who is the chairman of the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, 303 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: and he is saying that based on the details, it's 304 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: likely that he died of digitalis um. Digitalis is known 305 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: for engorging the organs prior to death. You're talking about 306 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: the plant right right. It's a member of the foxglove family. 307 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: So it's it's poison that people used to use as 308 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: kind of an herbal remedy. They didn't know how it 309 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: was supposed to be used, so they'd use it for 310 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: heart issues or epilepsy or stuff like that, but they 311 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: didn't understand the dosage, so they would typically end up 312 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: killing people unintentionally. And it enlarges all of the organs 313 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: so well. But then the question is why was only 314 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: his spleen Because your spleen is not the most sensitive 315 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: of your organs. It was his spleen the only one 316 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: that was in large. So his spleen was the only 317 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: thought I'd seen something said that more than just his 318 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: spleen wasn't No, he had a congestion of the heart 319 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: and brain. But that's not I mean, that's not no, no, 320 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: that's that's not an engagement or enlarge but at all. 321 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: So what condition is? But I don't know. I mean, 322 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: this is just something I came across and I found interesting. 323 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: It's very interesting. It's fifty years later and some guys saying, well, 324 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: I just looked at the autopsy record, and this is 325 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: what I say, and it's who knows. It could have 326 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: been just somebody's you know, surprise attacked him in an 327 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: innern you and he threw out you know, here's the 328 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: answer to the Talman shrewd. Yeah, and you kind of you. 329 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: I guess you assume that in a time when a 330 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: lot of people are dying from an overdose of a thing, 331 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: you as an corner, as a corner, you might know 332 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: what that looks like. Generally you would think you would 333 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: think you not so. Anyway, by the way, when they 334 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: found the body, how how long had he been dead? 335 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: Just a couple of I think he died. They said 336 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: that he died in the middle of the night. They 337 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: found at six thirty in the morning. Ah. So the 338 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: question is the coded message the book? Why? So? It 339 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: seems to me that if he was taking a message 340 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: somewhere to drop it off, there was somebody and he 341 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: but discovered he was being followed, he probably wanted to 342 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: ditch that, to ditch that message, So the nearest car 343 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: with an open window he dropped it in. Yeah. Well, 344 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's typical spy behavior. Yeah, he's get 345 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: rid of all incriminating evidence. Yeah. So so the other 346 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: kind of interesting thing about this is that there are 347 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: two cases that people talk about them maybe being linked. 348 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: Really yes, because it seems like a weird one off. 349 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: So you're saying there are other cases. Yes. The first 350 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: one is the Marshal case that happened in June where uh, 351 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: thirty four year old singapore man they knew that he 352 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: wasn't a mystery man. His name was Joseph Saul Haim 353 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: Marshall was found dead a lot okay, Joseph Saul Haim Marshall. Uh. 354 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: He was found dead in Ashton Park in Sydney with 355 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: an open copy of the Rubiat on his chest, really 356 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: the same edition, the same edition. Death was believed to 357 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: be a suicide by poisoning. His was so it was 358 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: the the addition right before addition that was involved in 359 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: this case. But pages missing, no pages miss saying or 360 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: anything like that. An he died of poisoning? Did they 361 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: say what he died of? He said he committed suicide, 362 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: but what he used? Did he say? They thought that 363 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: it was self inflicted, but they didn't say what. I'm 364 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: guessing this that one doesn't get as much note doesn't 365 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: And what year did this happen? An inquest was held. 366 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Dorothy Graham testified at this inquest that they had 367 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: And why does she testify she was a witness. I'm 368 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: not sure really details on that, but she testified and 369 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: was found dead thirteen days later, faced down naked in 370 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: a bath with her wrists split. Mm hmm. Did they 371 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: think that was suicide or do we know? I think 372 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 1: they think it's like they think it's suicide, Like they 373 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: think his death was a suicide. Like in other words, 374 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: it was KGB. You say it's a suicide right until 375 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: you figure out what really happened, and then changed the story. 376 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: But you never figure out. So then, uh, the next 377 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: one happened in June again, but this one in ninety 378 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: where the body of a two year old Clive was 379 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: found in a sack in some sandhills about twelve miles 380 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: down the coast from where they found the HC. Reynolds. 381 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: For purposes, we're just going to call him HC. Reynolds. 382 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: The guy from the first case, very very close lying 383 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: next to him was his unconscious father. The father was 384 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: taken to the hospital and was treated for exposure, and 385 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: then they transferred him to a mental hospital. So he 386 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: went crazy? I think so, yeah, because you know, his 387 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: son died while he was right next to him in 388 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: a bag or something. They like out and about that 389 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: day they've been missing for four days. Okay, okay, they 390 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: never were able to tell what killed Clive, which was 391 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: another mystery death. They said it's it wasn't natural causes, 392 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: but they don't know what killed him. These contents of 393 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: his stomach were sent to the government for analysis, but 394 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: never came back with anything solid. Similar to HC. The 395 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: mother said that she was threatened by a masked man 396 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: a couple of days before her son died. She said, quote, 397 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: the car stopped and a man with khaki kerchief over 398 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: his face told her to keep away from the police 399 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: or else. Additionally, a similar, similar looking man had recently 400 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: been seen lurking around the house, so somebody was stalking 401 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: them while they were while the other two were missing. 402 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: But we don't know who they were. Weird, So what 403 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: would be the tie into centals exactly? Well, they were 404 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: found very close to where he was found, and very 405 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: weird circumstances surrounding their death. That is weird. But but 406 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: they weren't that close. They were miles rather than feet away, 407 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: right twelve. Yeah, but you know, on the coast of 408 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: Sydney or coast of Australia, so not that many weird 409 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: things happen in this one little area, little area. So yeah, 410 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: So did they ever find any of his possessions or 411 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: anything else that he had left around. They found a 412 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: brown suitcase. Um, it had been left in the railway station, 413 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: had been checked into the station coatroom. You know they 414 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: do that sometimes you come in on training the way over. 415 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: So how did they find it? That's gonna that would 416 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: be an interesting story. I don't know itself. They found 417 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 1: it like a month later, so I had just been 418 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: there for a month. So they decided to report it 419 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: to the police, because that's what you do for a month, 420 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: you know, nobody's come back for it. And it had 421 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: been checked on November, which was two days before. Two 422 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: days how many days are in November? One day before 423 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: all right, So I assumed that I assume they completely 424 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: want to everything with all the tags missing from all 425 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: the clothes. Yeah, yeah, he They found red checked dressing gown, 426 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: a side that was size seven, red felt slippers of 427 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: four pairs of underwear, pajamas, shaving items, a light brown 428 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: pair of trousers with sand in the cuffs, an electricians screwdriver, 429 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: a table knife cut down into a short sharp instrument, 430 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: a pair of scissors with sharpened points, and a stenciling 431 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: brush that was used by third officers on march merchant 432 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: ships for stenciling cargo. Also in the suitcase was a 433 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: thread card of barber brand orange waxed thread of an 434 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: unusual type not available in Australia that had been the 435 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: same kind that was used to repair the lining of 436 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: his secret pocket. His secret pocket, the secret pocket of 437 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: his pants. They found the little piece of paper and 438 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: so he used on his pants. Then again, all of 439 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: the identification marks had been removed from uh the clothing, 440 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: except for they did find the name T. Keen on 441 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: a tie uh and Keen on a laundry bag, and 442 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: Keen on a singlet, along with some dry cleaning marks. 443 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: So the name that was found on a car that 444 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: they think links him isn't the same name that was 445 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: on all the clothes some of the clothes that they found. Yes, 446 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: they think that the clothes with the tags left on 447 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: had been left on on purpose to be misleading. Oh, 448 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: because they knew that Keene was not the dead man's name. Somehow, 449 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: it is a sneaky spy. I think it might be 450 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: a spy. Very very weird. That's that. Yeah, it kind 451 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: of fisted with my theory though I was a spy 452 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: who was scandled with a bunch of phones. Is there 453 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: anything that people that they can still use today to 454 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: analyze I mean any of you know, his clothes or 455 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: the briefcase or any of that. I mean, can't that 456 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: all be taken on a coal storage and and gone 457 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: over with modern forensics? What would you gain from that? Well, 458 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: they might find that piece of DNA or something that 459 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: they couldn't see before when they just searched through you know, 460 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: imaging technology or anything like that. I'm just I don't know, 461 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: it seems like it's a cold case. It's got enough 462 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for, Yeah, enough interests kind 463 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: of traction that people would want to, you know, say 464 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: well let's use the latest technology and see what we 465 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: can see inside of things or analyze from it. So 466 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: I just curious, I mean, do we know what happened 467 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: to any of the stuff that the that they took 468 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: off of him? What happened to any of that stuff? 469 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: Since it's a still open cold case, I would assume 470 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: that they did not get rid of it, but that 471 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: could be a false assumption. I don't know how things 472 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: work in Australia. Yeah, I would I would think that 473 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: the best way to find out is to just ask 474 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: the major intelligence services of the world, because you know, 475 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that he was a spy either that or 476 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: escaped royalty, but probably a spy. So probably the Russians 477 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: or the Brits or even the Americans actually know who 478 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: this guy is. I don't know. This one's just so weird. 479 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: But there's so many odd missing pieces to it. I mean, 480 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: it's weird cipher that there's no answer to. I mean, 481 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: it could have been his grocery list for all we know. 482 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: It's just so strange and it could have just been 483 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: entirely ruse and who the hell knows. Yeah, yeah, but 484 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: so last question, where he was found? Were there any 485 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: rare bookstores nearby? Okay? Yeah, well a mystery, I think. 486 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: But again I think probably the Russians or somebody who 487 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: can solve this mystery pretty handily. You think it's uh, 488 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: it's somebody's spy probably and I'm pro spy idea. Yeah. 489 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: And aliens do you think aliens? Aliens? Do you think 490 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: aliens are everything? Aliens are My easy answer because I 491 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: watch a lot of TV. I watch a lot of 492 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: the History Channel, and the ancient Aliens are the ones 493 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: that are responsible. Well on that, Okay, there we go, 494 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: There we go. I think that if you, if somebody 495 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: really seriously wanted to like solve the mystery, there's a 496 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff, A lot of the KGBS files 497 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: from the past files and stuff have been and a 498 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: lot of our intercepts and are of a lot of 499 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: their coded stuff has been declassified. If you wanted to 500 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: go dig through all that, you might be able to actually, 501 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, find out who this guy is. I'm not 502 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: going to do it because it would be a lot 503 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: of work. You're motivated those Yeah, Well, if you decide 504 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: to do that, you should send us what you find 505 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: via email. Our email is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail 506 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: dot com. All of the information on this story, uh, 507 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: plus probably some fun pictures of his face and the 508 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: handwriting are on Thinking Sideways podcast dot com, which is 509 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: our website. So yeah, I guess we'll talk to you 510 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: next week. Okay, Yeah, see everybody,