1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Ron Andanian. We're not teaching the next generation about cars. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: It's got to be done. We've got to show them 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: and teach them about car It's the most wonderful time 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. But I'm somebody that's prey careful about, 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: you know, the procedures on my vehicle. And I know, 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: kid Bob, I really commend you for that. You know, 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: how important is it? Take your mouth shut and hold 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: your nose? How important is it? The brief Welcome to 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: the radio home of Ron and Nian the Car Doctor. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: Since this is where car owners the world overturned to 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: call in. The garage doors are open, but I am 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: here to take your calls at eight five five six 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: and now he running. Hey, thanks talking by the garage today. 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Want to name the car Doctor at your service? Without 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: any further ado or hesitation, let let's kick the garage 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: door is wide open and go talk to Jared in Wisconsin. Jared, 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. What's going on? Uh? 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: I got a two thousand, fifteen Chevy Silver radio only 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: notice it in cold weather about thirty five degrees or 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: colder that the radio won't turn on. When I start 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: the dashlights, everything turns up, but it just sounds like 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: sounds not coming out. I let it warm up for 25 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: just a few minutes, shut it off completely and it 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: has to like the dashlights go, damn everything, um start 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: back up? Everything works fine on it And and when 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: the radio doesn't produce sound? Does does does this have 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: the radio displays? Just have a dash display, you know 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: with the Chevy symbol, so you'll you'll see the my 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: link and so on. But the radio itself doesn't work correct. 32 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: And when we say the radio doesn't work, there is 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: a separate on off button that powers the radio. You 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: don't even see the face of the radio. Really the 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: faces radio displays were can I can change stations and 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: put through different apps and everything like that on the dash, 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: but just no sound will come. It is probably the radio. 38 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what brings me to that conclusion. 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: And I can tell you the things that the mechanics 40 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: should check. The first thing would be once they duplicated, 41 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: obviously it's temperature related. I would want to scan for codes, 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: all right, and I would look particularly in in the 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: area of the body computer, the BCM, and also the 44 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: radio as a module itself. That that radio, like most 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: of that vehicle, is on a controlled area network, and 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: when we have components that don't work, chances are we're 47 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: going to see a communication fault. You know, Mom's not 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: talking to dad, Dad's not talking to the kids, that 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: kind of a thing, or we're going to see something 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: along the lines that it's just not there at all. Now, 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: the simple things to look for is that back of 52 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: that radio. I just went through this. Can you tell 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: the back of that radio has two major plugs and 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 1: it has an eighteen gang connector over on the passenger 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: side and it has a twenty four gang connector over 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: on the driver's side, or some approximation of that. If 57 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: they're similar. I worked on a sixteen and I'm still 58 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: working on a fifteen equinox. It's giving us grief. The 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: radio itself is powered on at pin forty four heavy 60 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: red wire right stripe, and it's grounded on thirty eight 61 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: black wire white stripe over on the opposite side of 62 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: that connector. If it's got power and ground but it's 63 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: not showing up on the bus, then it's internal in 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: the radio. What what I'd be what I'd be curious 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: is and I'm you know, I when I start to 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: diagnose these things, if I don't have a UM A 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: g M Electronic service center nearby, they can test it, 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: and I wonder if they would even catch it, because 69 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: it's doing it when it's cold. Well, and this only 70 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: thing is when it's cold, it doesn't matter. It's only 71 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: once in a while and sometimes it can be ten 72 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: blow and turn on. Everything works fine. It's not consistent 73 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: when it's cold. And like I said, it never does it. 74 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: And I thought this was gonna be hard, So you 75 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: know I would I would, I would be the one. 76 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: I would take the radio, have access to it so 77 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: that it's out of the dash, and I would take 78 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: the radio, put it in the freezer overnight and then 79 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: plug it in the morning and see, you know, does 80 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: it work? And if if, if I if I couldn't 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: get the radio to work, then I know that since 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: the vehicle of the vehicles in a warm garage and 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: I take the radio out of a cold freezer and 84 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: I put it right in and started right up and 85 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: the and the radio doesn't work, then I know it's 86 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: not vehicle related because the vehicles under warm conditions. Okay, 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: but the radio is not working. I've kind of narrowed 88 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: it down. But like I said, short of going to 89 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: that extreme looking at fault codes, I'm looking for communication issues. 90 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if it's a radio. Gem's 91 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: got some issues with radio's. Right now, just so just 92 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: so you understand how that system works, there are three 93 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: main components to the average GM radio. Right now, There's 94 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: the silver box as we call it, which is basically 95 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: what we all think of as the radio, but that's 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: not really the radio. That's just the box, all right, 97 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: the silver box where if you're gonna put the c D, 98 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 1: the c D goes or it's it's the receiver per se. 99 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: And then the on off button is all is part 100 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: of either the heater or and a c control panel 101 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: or it's a separate control panel by itself, depending upon 102 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: the option code on the vehicle. That is the radio control. 103 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: And then the display panel is the display now dig this, 104 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: this is how it works. The radio actually sits between 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: the radio control panel or the on off button and 106 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: the display panel. So the radio is sort of like 107 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: the radio is like your mom when you weren't talking 108 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: to your brother a right, she's the one in the middle, 109 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, she's telling everybody what to do, and everybody 110 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: has to listen. Even the on off button, the on 111 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: off button gets a four of old signal coming out 112 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: of the radio, and the pushing the button, if you notice, 113 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: you can mute the volume and then turn the radio 114 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: off all the way. By holding it down there, you're 115 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: you're actually changing that four vold signal coming out of 116 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: the radio so it knows whether or not to be 117 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: on or muted or off and just turn off so 118 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: none of that stuff as shutting it all the way down, 119 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: the radio down and just turn it back on want 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: and bring it back up right, You had to shut 121 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: down the only other thing I can think of, And 122 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: I might be crazier, it might just be coincident. It 123 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: seems like when I trip my blinker on, you can't 124 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: hear the clicking one the radio is working. I don't 125 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: know if that's just me thinking that right now, or 126 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: if that's actually and it does make a noise when 127 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: you know that is that is one test if the 128 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 1: radio doesn't work. If the radio doesn't work, stop the truck, 129 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: shut it off, open the door with the key in 130 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: the ignition. Yea, does the chime work all right, because 131 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: the chime is also part of that radio them as well. 132 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: And if you can hear the chime, then I'm gonna 133 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: lean more towards the radio being a fault as well, 134 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: all right. So that's uh, that's another simple, you know, 135 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: without a scan tool way to look at it too, 136 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: whether or not the chime works, whether or not the 137 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: blinker works. You know, if you can't hear the blinker 138 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: and the radio is not working, and then all of 139 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: a sudden you notice the blinkers working in the radio 140 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: is working, you know, you're probably hitted towards a fault 141 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: in the radio itself. Electronics. That's great stuff. Unit. Then yeah, 142 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: they'll exchange the unit and they can run anywhere. I 143 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: was just having this conversation with someone in the industry 144 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: this week. We were talking about the price of radios. 145 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Now he's coming, Tim's coming from a Nissan dealer. We're 146 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: talking about it, the price of a radio and the 147 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: average Nissan right now. I hate to tell you, if 148 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: it's got a driver assists, if it's got automatic driver 149 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: assist system and it a DOS, you could spend you 150 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: could spend five grand on a radio. It's better just 151 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: to get something that's afterward market, well has that same 152 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: stuff on that. But but here's the problem. Okay, So 153 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: now you've got a radio. You know, you've got a 154 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: computer on the network, all right, and you're gonna take 155 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: that computer out of the network, and that computer is 156 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: responsible for the you know, you're gonna get rid of mom. 157 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: How who's gonna Who's who's gonna talk to you and 158 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: your brother? So now you've got to get a radio 159 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 1: that talks to you and your brother at the same level, 160 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: with the same with the same encryption, the same data, 161 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: the same signal, the same controlled area network information. And 162 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: I don't see how. I don't see how the ftermarket 163 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: stereo business is gonna survive, you know, going forward. How 164 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: is Pioneer, Pana, Sonic, Samsung, how are they going to 165 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: duplicate you know, everything that an a DOS radio or 166 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 1: an AI DOSCI quipped vehicle is going to duplicate. They 167 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: probably can't really duplicate what that fifteen Silverado does. Now 168 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: they can they can make a radio work in a car, sure, 169 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: different on off button, different, But boy, I'll tell you 170 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: what they're gonna have to invest a the money in 171 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: order to stay you know, current, and keep a lot 172 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: of these businesses in business. And that's why we talk 173 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: about it all the time, the change that's coming that 174 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: you know every time you open up the front door 175 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: to greet news. In the automotive industry, it's just staggering 176 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: how fast it's it's it's evolving and spinning on its 177 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: way through the universe. Yeah, very very much out of control. 178 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: Can I run into different issues with that? Because I'm 179 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: looking to ask you ground for radio I think I 180 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: might live without. Well. I think it's a conversation you 181 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: have to have with the radio manufacturer. Hey, listen, I've 182 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: got a fifteen Silverado. I don't want to be setting 183 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: false codes. I want to retain all the current vehicle capability. 184 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: Is your vehicle, I know your I know your radio 185 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: will fit in the hole in the dashboard, But will 186 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: your radio emulate and duplicate everything the manufacturer had the 187 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: vehicle designed to do. I think it's a fair question. 188 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: And if you get a bunch of um, you know, 189 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: hems and haws, and even if they say yes, I 190 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: want to see it in writing, Yeah exactly, so I 191 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: want to see it in writing now you may find that. 192 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: And General Motors has around the country certain electronic repair 193 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: facilities that you can send your radio in to be 194 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: tested and or repaired. And it might typically be at 195 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: the front and it would likely be at the fraction 196 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: of the cost of replacing it with new and when 197 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: I say fraction, it might be seven instead of you know, uh, 198 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: but you know you may not have a choice. And 199 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: that's the world of radios today. Uh, you know, that's 200 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: the world of radio's today. It's it's not gonna get simpler. 201 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: It's definitely gonna get more complicated. All right, Jared, you're 202 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: very welcome, sir. Let us know, let us know what happens. 203 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Even even more we're here zero run any of the 204 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: car doctor coming back right after this, he drives that way. 205 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has card 206 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: advice done right eight five five zero zero. Here's Rod, 207 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, to follow up and continue on that vein 208 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: of thought regarding the aids, the automatic automatic automated driver 209 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: assist systems, and you know that's that's self steering, self driving, 210 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: self parking, all that stuff. Anything involving the use of 211 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: the camera to look at the road. So there are 212 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: issues now they're finding where you look at how critical 213 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: this stuff is and this is you know, we're just 214 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: having a conversation with Jared and Wisconsin about his radio 215 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: and can you replace it with the standard radio? Well know, 216 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: because the radio is not an essential part of the 217 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: AID system on a lot of vehicles. That if a 218 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: vehicle comes out of the body shop and the frame 219 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: rail or the frame or the unibody, whatever you want 220 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: to refer to it as is off by more than 221 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: two millimeters two millimeters, think how big two millimeters is. 222 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: The vehicle can't be aligned, and it can't be calibrated. 223 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: They can't calibrate the AIDA system and it has to 224 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: go back and have something pulled, push, tweaked, prodd and pulled. 225 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: So look at the critical dimension that we're working with. 226 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: That it makes you think, perhaps you wonder where body 227 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: shops are gonna be in four or five years. Are 228 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: they going to be able to repair this stuff? And 229 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure they will, but at what cost? And you know, 230 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: what does that do to the cost of owning a 231 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: vehicle in terms of how much moral insurance companies charges 232 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: to make up for the losses they're taking for the 233 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: extra repair effort required on a DOS vehicles automated driver 234 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: assist systems to keep them on the road, and you 235 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: just you just wonder. We had a and and it 236 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: started a long time ago. We had simple Heck, we 237 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: had an O six Ford F one fifty in the shop. 238 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: This week we were doing the front shocks. Now, the 239 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: front shocks on an F one and fifty of this 240 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: generation were shock and spring together. The spring had cracked 241 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: that had three eighteen thousand miles on it. It was 242 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: due right, and you know, we were we were we 243 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: were looking, you know, what do we put on this? Well, 244 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: we customer wanted to save Oh I don't know, and 245 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: not even what we were saving. I think we were 246 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: saving twenty bucks. But the guy was adamant. He wanted 247 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: after market shocks and struts for it. So we got 248 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: after market shocks for the front. We put it in 249 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: and the perch between the ear of the lower control arm, 250 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: the shock was moving back and forth. It was so sloppy. 251 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: You know, I would have had to have put a 252 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: washer shim or a washer or a shim of some 253 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: kind to keep it from moving. No, no no, no, we're 254 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: not doing this all right. I kind of put my 255 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: foot down. I said, you know, I don't get it. 256 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: Twenty bucks aside, who cares order to para motocraft front 257 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,359 Speaker 1: struts for it? Okay, dropped them in. You know, Motocraft 258 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: saw the problem. They actually put an extra or that 259 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: I guess it comes that way from the factory. They 260 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: actually put an extra wide washer on the on the 261 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: shock that it fit perfectly between the ears and it 262 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: worked really well. That you know, there was no Mickey 263 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: Mouse saying there was no games, there was no playing 264 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: and again you know, sometimes nothing fits like a O 265 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: E part or no we you know, caliber quality part 266 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: and hands off the motorcraft because that's what they did, 267 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: and they did it right, and that's where the future is. 268 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: Everything is going to have to be that, you know, 269 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: no slop dimension, all right, it's just that critical. Um 270 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: so enough, said Trevor, New York City Batteries. How can 271 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: I help, sir? Yes, sir, how can I help? Trevor? 272 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: You're on? Hey, how are you doing good? Thanks for 273 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: taking my call. You're welcome. I have a question regarding 274 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: the interview he had with the guys on Optima Batteries 275 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and he had mentioned that it was a 276 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: good idea of car owners to maintain their battery once 277 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: a month on the charget. Okay, so so I was surprised, 278 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: he said. I was wondering, like, how would car owners 279 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: do that to you just go to any like what 280 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: they had do with yourself thing? Or well, I think 281 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: I think if I recall the conversation, right, Trevor, that 282 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: he was referencing the vehicles that tend to sit. All right, 283 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we were. We were having a conversation 284 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: about collector cars at that point in the interview, and 285 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: he was talking about the vehicles that tend to sit 286 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: or maybe short distance driving. Now you know, the old 287 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: school of thought of and it used to be years ago, 288 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: back in the seventies and maybe the early eighties. Yeah, 289 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: there was Mrs Jones who went, you know, twenty miles 290 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: a week and the car didn't really come up the 291 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: full temp and the car didn't really get driven a 292 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: whole lot. We'd throw a charge on the battery once, 293 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, maybe when she came into an oil change, 294 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: we charge it up, and you know, something along those lines. 295 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: But as far as if you're driving an everyday vehicle, 296 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: a bread and butter, you know, basic transportation for Toyota, 297 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: et cetera, non a g M caliber vehicle. I don't 298 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: see the need and I don't think that's what he 299 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: was referring. I have seen on a GM vehicles where 300 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: the need comes up for the vehicle that is short 301 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: trip that never gets out for the long rod. And 302 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: this may be the opposite of the a g M intention, 303 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: but I have run into the experience where charging the 304 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: battery on an a g M vehicle, a g M 305 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: equipped battery vehicle every twenty days seems to make a 306 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: difference in battery life and also how well it will 307 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: handle the cold weather. So you know, I could, I 308 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: could agree with that statement, but it would it would 309 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: require just looking up to a battery charger. What kind 310 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: of car are you driving? We have to have the 311 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: court explorer and I have a Honda Hondo a court 312 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: for hando a court. So both tend to sit like 313 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: you could say, maybe three three four days out of 314 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: the week, right, do they sit outside or inside? Outside? Okay, 315 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: how about a solar charger. A solar charger, yeah, they make, 316 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: they make, they make solar charges. Now they're like the 317 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: size of a tablet and it's got to set it 318 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: leads off of it that will connect directly to the battery. 319 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: Run the wires out onto the hood. You could actually 320 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: leave the older charger on the dashboard, and I've seen 321 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: where they'll plug into the cigarette lighter if the cigarette 322 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: lighter is hot, you know, I mean it works with 323 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: the key off. You can actually plug the solar charger 324 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: into the cigarette lighter receptacle and it will charge back 325 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: to the battery, and it gets sun rays coming in 326 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: through the dashboard and that solar charger will trickle charge 327 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: and maintain the battery. They're out there. They do work, Okay, Yeah, 328 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: I do have a I do have a battery charger 329 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: for I have an a g M battery for UM 330 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: trolling motor for marine turpos fishing. Right, so I have 331 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: a battery charger that battery charge supposedly according to the 332 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: manuals and charges a g MS as well as the 333 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: regular like a club club battery. Yeah, but the plug 334 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: that and of course, of course, and you're talking right 335 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: like a trickle charger idea and those work too, So 336 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're probably the example of what he 337 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: was talking about, which is probably why I got your attention. 338 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: Yet I would I would start thinking about solar charging. 339 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: Those two batteries, those two vehicles, the Explorer and the 340 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Honda Court. Like I said, they're the size of a tablet. 341 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: They do work. And to throw that trickle charger, that 342 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: maintainer on that a GM battery makes perfect sense to me. 343 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: Appreciate the Carl Trevor Hey. Coming up next, Paul Eisenstein, 344 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: the Detroit Bureau dot Com. What's new in the world 345 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: of automotive? Stick around and find out I'm run a 346 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: naming of the car Doctor. We're back right after this 347 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: cooka back. Why don't any of the car Doctor? Our 348 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: next guest is no stranger to the media. He is 349 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: the seer, or maybe the sayer, maybe the all knowing 350 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: would be a better way. He is the wizard of 351 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: what's going on in the world of automotive, new and upcoming, 352 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: and how they're coping with the changing and technology. And 353 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: we're glad and lucky to have him. Paul Eisenstein of 354 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: the Detroit Bureau of the Detroit Bureau dot com. Mr Eisenstein, 355 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: welcome back, sir, Happy Thanksgiving and happy Thanksgiving? Me you 356 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: too getting the whole holiday run, aren't we? Yeah, I'll 357 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: tell you what, now we go into the you know, 358 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: the next thirty days of chaos and pandemonium. Is we 359 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: all try to you know, what's the next great gift. 360 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: So I'm easy, I'm easy. Just buy me a new vett. 361 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: I'll be happy. Um oh yeah, Well you're gonna have 362 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: to wait for that. It's gonna be a while before 363 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: the sea comes close to being up to what they 364 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: had planned in terms of production. They haven't. They really 365 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: haven't come back from the strike yet, right, they're still 366 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: fighting their way back in terms of you know, um 367 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: uh supply and and and and you know, manufacturing and 368 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: so on. Yeah, it's gonna take a little while before 369 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: they recovered. And that was a forty days strike. So 370 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 1: that's a lot of loss production and some products are 371 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: just gonna be having to wait a little longer than others. 372 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: And do you think it hurt the corvette? Let's talk 373 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: specifically that, I mean, has it has it hurt or 374 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: is it just increased the demand for it. It's hard 375 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: to tell. It's hard to tell right now. Well, we'll 376 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: have to wait and see what it's like once once 377 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: uh they actually reach showed it might have helped in 378 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: one way they had a lot of the old or 379 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: seven Corvettes left on factory lots, UH, dealer lots, I 380 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: should say, so perhaps they were able to clear those 381 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: out a little bit people that were willing to just 382 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: stick with the old model rather than have to wait three, 383 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: four or five months more to get the new one. 384 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: Was there a shortage of cars in any way? Paul? 385 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Certain models? Because I'm here, I heard some stories that 386 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, other manufacturers were not so kind on their 387 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 1: discounts to consumers because they couldn't find the truck they 388 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: wanted a GM. They went over to Ford or Toyota 389 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: or Nissan, and you know Nissan, they know, and they said, well, 390 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's no, it's not that it's this. UM. 391 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: Do you think that hurt the consumer? Oh? I think 392 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: it probably didn't help. Uh. There are a few places 393 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: where the battle is so intense right now that automakers 394 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: were given great discounts try to steal some business away 395 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: from GM. And one of the best example PULS is 396 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: over in the full size truck market, where, in spite 397 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: of potential shortages by by Chevy and GMC. Uh, you 398 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: saw Chrysler, for example, offering five six seven. I've heard 399 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: even over ten thousand dollars and discounts once you negotiate 400 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: with the dealer to get into a RAM and and 401 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 1: it's paid off. Oh yeah, how can you How can 402 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: you take take brand off the price of the vehicle? 403 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: Where's the profit go? You know what? They're still the 404 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: most profitable vehicles they sell. Uh. There there is so 405 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: much profit built into a full size pickup people would 406 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: just be blown away even with the discounting. These are 407 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: the single largest source of profitability for the big three 408 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: Detroit ortil makers. Have you ever looked at or done 409 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,239 Speaker 1: any research? You know, take a fifty vehicle? What does 410 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: it cost the manufacturers to build? Yeah, I've seen different 411 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: numbers from different vehicles and it it does vary quite 412 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: a bit. I'll tell you the one thing which probably 413 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: would surprise people, as you know, Thiat Chrysler got a 414 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: new contract with the U A W today and it 415 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: will it will definitely drive up costs a bit because 416 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: some of those temp workers are not going to be salaried. 417 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: Uh that salary I should say full time and so on. 418 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: But when you add it all up, the labor cost 419 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: that goes into the typical vehicle in UH, in the 420 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: Detroit Automaker show room UH is only about as percent 421 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: of the sticker price. So some people think, oh my god, 422 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: it these these fat cat union workers that the reason 423 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: why prices are going up so so much. Well, the 424 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: reality is labor is a relatively small portion of today's 425 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: cars cost. I've got to I've got to thank even 426 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: more than raw materials. And you correct me if I'm wrong, 427 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: but I've got to think product development in the technology 428 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: to make the electronics alone work at the level that 429 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: they work has to be at the top of the list. Well, 430 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's at the top of the list, 431 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: but certainly all the electronic technology going into vehicles is 432 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: bring costs up quite a bit. And and remember that 433 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: that covers so much on a vehicle. A high end 434 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: products say a BMW X seven or our seven series 435 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: of the eight series Mercedes S Class not like those 436 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: may have as many as a hundred or more different 437 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: microprocessors on board. I mean that that's more computers than 438 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: even the biggest smart home fan is going to have 439 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: inside of their home. And and certainly a lot of 440 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: the technologies costs are going up because you're adding census 441 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: radar and cameras and sonar and everything else. The good 442 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: news is a lot of what they're adding every year, 443 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, you go to the show room and you 444 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: find they've added new technologies, features like curve control, uh, 445 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: all sorts of smart cruise control technologies, auto breaking and 446 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: so on. Much of that is using the same technology, 447 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: the same sensors they may have had a year before. 448 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: But it's all because they're able to write new software 449 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: and and they're the costs aren't nearly as expensive, and 450 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: they're getting more at it. But but it's pretty amazing 451 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: when you look at what you have now in the 452 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: show room. Uh, these are more and more becoming computers 453 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: on wheels. Yeah. You know, we were talking prior to 454 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: you coming on. We were having a conversation with some 455 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: of the listeners today regarding radios and and how the 456 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: radio when fella his radio didn't work and he wanted 457 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: to change it on his late model Chevy pickup, and 458 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: I said, you know, the problem is you're gonna take 459 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: this essential piece of the of the can of the 460 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: controlled area network out of the system and hope that 461 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: that you know, and I'm just gonna use it as 462 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: an example that that Pioneer or Panasonic piece that you 463 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: bolt in has the same capability and function. It's becoming 464 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: harder and harder. You go back years, aftermarket radios were 465 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: pretty popular. These days they're very rare. Uh. For one thing, 466 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: If you look into most cars today, the radio, the 467 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: head unit as it were, plugs into your point into 468 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: a fairly complex system, and more importantly, is controlled by 469 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: the touch screen. I think five years from now it 470 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: will be virtually impossible to find a vehicle on the 471 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: road that has a standalone radio where you know, you 472 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: have the old fashioned knobs in front of it. Everything, 473 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: even the base models are going to touch screen controlled electronics, 474 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: and it's going to be harder and harder, if not impossible, 475 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: to buy an audio system, uh, to sub out for 476 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: the one that your car came with. Do you think 477 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: that we're on the path towards the end of the 478 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: aftermarket radio's, Paul? I mean, how will Pioneer and Panasonic 479 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: and Samsung and how will they all come eat? I 480 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: think they'll have to make deals with the factory to 481 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 1: try to get their cars in in the first place. 482 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: And you're seeing more and more, you know, these deals 483 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: bows radios and GM and a lot of other products 484 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: being no name h N A I M which is 485 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: in Bentley, and the top end unit there can cost 486 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: an extra ten fifteen thousand dollars from the upgrade. UH. 487 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: So you know, all these all these high end audio 488 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: suppliers trying to get in at least as an as 489 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: the upgrade system. UH and manufacturers are now more and 490 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: more offering uh real high premium and systems that you 491 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: can upgrade two when you begin with right right from 492 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: the start. But yeah, I think it's gonna be very 493 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: difficult going forward for a company like Panasonic or the 494 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: like to be able to offer an aftermarket either because 495 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: it's all part of a very complex system and it's 496 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: going to get even more so. Have you been in 497 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: any of the new Mercedes Benz vehicles with the new 498 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: n B U X M assistant? Oh well, I saw 499 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: a demo of it, but I wasn't in the vehicle. Yeah, 500 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: talk about rocket ship. Yeah, I'm sure you have have been. 501 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: If you don't have at home, you've at least seen 502 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: how Amazon's Alexa or Google Home or of course Syriana 503 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: on the uh an iPhone work. You know you can 504 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: go over to it and say, hey, Siri and ask 505 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: her to do something, and I hope I just didn't 506 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: trigger mine. Uh. I was wondering if you were going 507 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: to trigger mine. I've got one sitting behind me here 508 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: in the studio. I was waiting to see if it 509 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: woke up. So yeah, well, well we the n b 510 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: u X comes pretty dawn close to being the same 511 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: sort of thing built into your car. And I have 512 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: to tell you it's really funny. Uh. Last weekend, we 513 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: had a Mercedes. We were playing with him. We were 514 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: toying with the system and it's not quite as smart 515 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: as as Amazon's Alexa, and it kept repeating itself and 516 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: my my wife got frustrated and said, shut up, oh 517 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: up to which uh, to which the Mercedes responded, you first, 518 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: WHOA A little bit of attitude must must have been 519 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: programmed here in New York. Hey, Paul, sit tight. Let 520 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: me pull over and take a pause and we'll return 521 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: right after this. I'm runing Indian the Car Doctor with 522 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: Paul Eisenstein of the Detroit Bureau dot com. Don't go away, 523 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: We're back right or after this. Welcome back. Ran into 524 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor with Paul Eisenstein of the Detroit Bureau Paul. 525 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: You know, with our time left, I want to talk 526 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: a little bit. G M came out with some bold 527 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: predictions this week. They claim they're on track to make 528 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: twenty electric vehicles by three Is that What can you 529 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: tell us about that? Well, they had originally said, going 530 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: back a couple of years, that they would have twenty 531 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: all electric vehicles, not plug ins, not hybrids, all electric vehicles, 532 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: much like the Chevrolet Bolt, and an all electric SUV 533 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: that will be coming into the Cadillac brand mixt year. 534 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: Um they've been slow to get out of the box. 535 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: A lot of people were starting to think and they're 536 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: not going to make that target. But I had the 537 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: chance to talk to UH to the head of their 538 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: electrification program just a few days ago, and we have 539 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: the story up on the Detroit Bureau dot com and 540 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: he says they are absolutely on track. Now, what's interesting 541 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: is there is a big split in the auto industry 542 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: as to how to go about electrifying. You know, a 543 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: lot of manufacturers are doing a mix of things. Um Ford, 544 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: as you know, at the l A Auto Show, introduced 545 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: the mock Eve, that Mustang electric vehicle and the UH. 546 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: The Ford approach is to have a mix of things. 547 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: I'll have regular hybrids, plug in hybrids, and all electric models. 548 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: Toyota is primarily focusing on hybrids and a few plug ins. 549 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: GM is basically taking the attic to if they're going 550 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: to do anything with electric, it's going to be pure 551 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: battery electric. They are moving away from hybrids and as 552 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, they pulled the plug on the Chevallet bolt 553 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: volts with a V plug in hybrids and they're probably 554 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: not going to have any of those going forward. When 555 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: when you say plug in, Paul, the difference between a 556 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: plug in and an electric vehicle is what? All right? 557 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, it does get pretty confusing, and let me 558 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: do a very fast word the fuel. Allow me. I'll 559 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the various green vehicles out there, 560 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: and some of them are subtle differences but there, but 561 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: they're still significant. So you have so called micro hybrids 562 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: that use forty eight vold technology. Uh the new Jeep 563 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: Wrangler and the new RAM pickup both have micro hybrid technology, 564 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: as does the new uh Land Rover Defender, and that's 565 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: very low power, small battery. The battery major to make 566 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: it easier to do that stop start technology. You know 567 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: where your engine shuts off of the when you're idling. 568 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: It may also give you a little bit extra boost 569 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: at a light. When you step on the gas you 570 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: get maybe a second or two of additional torque UH 571 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: to pull load if you're doing a ram, or maybe 572 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: a bit more power if you're in a sports car. 573 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: Then you have conventional hybrids like the Toyota Prius, the 574 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: best known example of a regular hybrid, and it uses 575 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: a mix of battery and gas power UH, sometimes shutting 576 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: off the engine entirely and running solely electric, but most 577 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: of the time running gas and using the electric to 578 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: help improve fuel economy. Then you have plug ins, and 579 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: these you can charge. They may have a medium sized 580 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: battery pack excuse me, and in some cases they'll run 581 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: solely electric, the idea being for commuting or running your chores. 582 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: It may get any where from about fifteen to about 583 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: thirty or even of pure electric, but when you need 584 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: extra burst to power or when the battery runs down, 585 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: the gasoline motor will fire up and continue driving. As 586 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about range anxiety because 587 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: you're always going to be able to drive on gas 588 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: power if the battery dies. And then the top end 589 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: of the spectrum, of course, is the pure battery electric vehicle, 590 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: often referred to as a b e V. Now the 591 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: plug where get confusing is what I say plug in. 592 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: That can refer to a plug based It can refer 593 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: to a variety of different vehicles, including something like the 594 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: Chevy volt which is that plug in hybrid. It can 595 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: run on gas or electric, or it can refer to 596 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: a pure battery electric vehicle. So sorry, folks, that does 597 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: get a little confusing out there, and I guess it's 598 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: going to be reflected in the technology going forward. We're 599 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: all going to be a little confused until it settles out. 600 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: Paul or time is just about up. The listeners can 601 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: go where the Detroit Bureau dot com for more information. 602 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely the Detroit Bureau dot com. We've been putting a 603 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: lot up about electrification. So if you're a skeptic or 604 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: if you're a proponent, we uh, we'd love to come. 605 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: We'd love to have you come and talk a little 606 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: bit back to us, let us know what you think cool, 607 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: and we'll see if we're can arrange that for you. Paul, 608 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: As always, sir, you are my wizard of automotive information, 609 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: and I thank you for taking the time today. It's 610 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: always a pleasure. So you take good care and have 611 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: a good holiday. I'm running Any of the Car Doctor. 612 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: We're back right after this. Welcome back. We're in Any 613 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: of the Car Doctor once again, thanks to Paul Eisenstein 614 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: of the Detroit Bureau. The Detroit Bureau dot com get 615 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 1: out there. You can read his articles is on electric 616 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: vehicles and everything else. Paul and his staff just so 617 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: capable and so great. It's just it's we're very fortunate 618 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: to have him, and he's very generous with his time 619 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: and we're grateful to him for that. As we get 620 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: to talk to him and explain to you the changes 621 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: in the technology of the automobile. And I'm always a 622 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: good time, always a good time. He could do him 623 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: for an hour one of these days, because I bet 624 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: you he could do it too without even thinking about it. 625 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: He's got so much information stored up and said, hey, 626 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm just a quick point. So I had a twenty 627 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: seventeen Chevy Tahoe in the shop this week now seen Tahoe. 628 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: Chevy Tahoe is a twelve thirty four y F refrigerant. 629 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: It is the newest style air conditioning refrigerant in use, 630 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: and the problem is there are some very strict diagnostic 631 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: procedures that you have to follow in order to repair 632 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: these systems. The machine wouldn't allow the system to be 633 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: charged because there was a leak. Now you can't use 634 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: refrigerant to look for the league because well, you don't 635 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: want to number one because of the expense. And uh, 636 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: they've got issues with releasing chemicals into the atmosphere, so 637 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: they're they're coming up with alternative methods. We used from 638 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: Automotive Test Solutions CEO two carbon dioxide and I We've 639 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: been playing around with it for a while. We've been 640 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: using it on evaporative emission systems. We use it on 641 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: the a C system work flow Listlee. If you go 642 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: out to YouTube or our Facebook page, run on any 643 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor, but go out to YouTube search 644 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: ron and Anian. It's the it's the first video online, 645 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: the most recent video online. I think you'll enjoy it. 646 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: It's worth taking a look at new technology until the 647 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 1: next time I'm run any in the Car Doctor reminding 648 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.