1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up early in the morning. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the world more dangerous morning show to Breakfast Club, 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 3: charlamagea god, just hilarious. DJ VA is out, but Lauren 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 3: Leros is in and we got a special guest in 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 3: the building. He's got a new book out, Who Better 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: than You, The Art of Healthy Arrogance and Dreaming Big. 8 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: We'll pack your something. 9 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: My brother, family, what's going on. 10 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: And how you feel. 11 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm feeling amazing, you know, I'm up here. 12 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 4: I'm up here with one of the most incredible platforms 13 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 4: in media right now. Interesting time in media. You know, 14 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 4: we media ebbs and flows. We're in an EBB right now. 15 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 4: In the movie business, Charlamagne, you know, yeah, just you know, 16 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 4: coming off the strikes, coming off of COVID, like the 17 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 4: the movie industry never really recalibrated. So there's a lot 18 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 4: of folks out there that are hurting right now, a 19 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: lot of folks that. 20 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Aren't working, a lot of actors out of work, writers, 21 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: and so as. 22 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 4: A producer, you know, I'm just trying to keep people hired, 23 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: trying to do what I do and create content. Most 24 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 4: people out there, they don't realize because there's so much 25 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 4: content out there in so many streaming services. It's like, oh, 26 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: everything out there, I can see whatever I want. But 27 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 4: actually the media companies are making a lot less. So 28 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 4: it's an interesting time in the business man. 29 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Who better than You is the name of the book? 30 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 5: What makes you decide to write this? 31 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: Yo? 32 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 4: You know, I have been in the movie game for 33 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 4: almost thirty years now, and I have dealt with some 34 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: of the biggest names, some of the most impressive, successful people, 35 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 4: some of the most toxic, insecure people. And throughout that process, 36 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: I have gained a set of skills that I want 37 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 4: to share with people about how you can be successful 38 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: and manifest the more full life. How you can use 39 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 4: some of the skills that I've learned that are transferable 40 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: to any industry to navigate be it. You want to 41 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 4: start a new endeavor, you want to overcome a challenge, 42 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: you want to pivot in your life. And so I'm 43 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 4: telling stories I've never told before, stories from dealing with 44 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 4: you know, some of my Hollywood folks. But it's really lessons, right, 45 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: It's lessons about this is how you deal with people, 46 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 4: how you position yourself to succeed, and how you have 47 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: healthy arrogance. Now to be confused with toxic arrogance. Right, 48 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 4: Toxic arrogant walks in a room and says, I'm better 49 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 4: than everybody here. I'm gonna win cause you're gonna lose. Right, 50 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: I'm better than you. Healthy arrogance walks in a room 51 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: and says, okay, number one, I belong in this room. 52 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: Right. 53 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: The most successful people feel that they don't feel like 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: am I supposed to be here with all these important people. 55 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 4: Healthy arrogance feels like I'm supposed to be here. However, 56 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 4: I also have something to add to this room. This 57 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 4: room is better because I'm in it, and I'm gonna 58 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 4: get other people to understand how they and I have 59 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 4: a commonality in terms. 60 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: Of our goal. 61 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: If you can get other people to see the value 62 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: in what you're going after, then you can then get 63 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 4: them to row in the same direction as you and 64 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 4: work towards your own goal. 65 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: That's what leadership is. 66 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: Getting other people to realize that it's not me against you. 67 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 4: If I can get you to understand that together we 68 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 4: both benefit from working together and accomplishing things that are 69 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: my goals as well as your goals, your chance for 70 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: success is increased. 71 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: You know, when I read about you talk about healthy 72 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: ar against, so here your interviews about healthier against. 73 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: It feels like you're saying you just got it. It's 74 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: like a sense of worthiness, it's value. 75 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 4: It is it is very much understanding the value to 76 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 4: place on yourself, right, and you underste Charlotte Man because 77 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 4: you talk about mental health a lot. We all have 78 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 4: this drum beat in our head, right, and it can 79 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 4: be a negative drum beat of I'm not ready, I'm 80 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 4: not worthy, I don't have the skills, I'm not prepared. 81 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 4: More and more you tell yourself that, the louder those 82 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: voices get. But there's a confidence muscle that you can build, 83 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: that you can grow by telling yourself the exact opposite 84 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: that I am worthy, right, that I am prepared. 85 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: But it's really about assigning value. 86 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 4: The thing I say to people that understand, from the 87 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: time you are born and to the time you leave 88 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: this earth, you are building your brand. 89 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: Everything you do, right. I mean, you can't make mistakes. 90 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: Everybody does, but every decision you make in everything you 91 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 4: do is building your brand, and it is telling people 92 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: what value to assign to you, whether that's somebody that 93 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: is looking to invest in you, looking to date you, 94 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 4: looking to just hang out with you. You are telling them 95 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: what your value is, and you have to be healthily 96 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 4: arrogant in the way that you force other people to 97 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 4: recognize your value. 98 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you don't have nobody, does that mean 99 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: you're not worth nothing? 100 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm not going to say that. 101 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 4: You mean, like a relationship, Well, that just means that 102 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 4: you have to be sure that you're surrounding yourself with 103 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 4: people that understand your value. It might mean that you're 104 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: worth more than people want to give you credit for 105 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: talking about. It might mean you're single because other people 106 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: don't recognize your value and you're not willing to compromise 107 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 4: for it. 108 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 6: You had something to what dog will won't they? 109 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: The sassiness off? 110 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: God? 111 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Are you with me? Your 112 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: hair back? 113 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: I was asking you a question because I like what 114 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: you're talking about. 115 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well yes, absolutely so if some you know, 116 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 4: somebody happens to be an amazing, beautiful single sister, I 117 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: don't know you know the relationship status of everybody here, 118 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 4: but let's just say present company. 119 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: Why Well, because and she said you had a sassy next, 120 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: so she is she is immediately the most entertaining person that. 121 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 7: I want to ask you about imposter syndrome and when 122 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 7: you when did that? Like, when did you get past that? 123 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 7: Where did you deal with that at all? Yourself? 124 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 4: Absolutely deal with everybody deals with everybody. Uh gets to 125 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 4: a point where they feel like, Yo. 126 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: Do I belong right? 127 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: Do I deserve to be in the most important spaces? 128 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 4: And I've been very, very fortunate to be in some 129 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 4: incredible rooms with some people that are, you know, some 130 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 4: of the most powerful people. 131 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: From around the world. 132 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: And as I said, what I realize is that when 133 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 4: I walk in those rooms, I cannot question if I'm 134 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: supposed to be there. I need to realize what is 135 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 4: it that I have that nobody else in this room has? 136 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: And how can I double down on that? Right? 137 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 4: So, black man African American film AMAIC in Hollywood, not 138 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 4: a lot of folks at my level in the rooms 139 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: that I'm in. Oftentimes it's all white people in those rooms. 140 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: What I choose to do instead of saying, Okay, I'm 141 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 4: the only black person in this room. 142 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: I know they're racist. I know they looking at me 143 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: a certain way. I know they have a negative perception. 144 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 4: I'm walking in the room and I'm thinking, Okay, you 145 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 4: know what, I'm bringing something that nobody else can bring. 146 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 4: When I talk about my perspective, when I talk about 147 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: my audience, when I talk about my community, nobody else 148 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 4: can debate me on that. 149 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm the only one with that lived experience. 150 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: Whatever it is in the rooms and the circles that 151 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 4: you're in, what's the unique thing that you have? And 152 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 4: then you triple down on that that will help with 153 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: that imposter syndrome. The other thing is that you have 154 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 4: to understand, like you don't have to be somebody that's 155 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: just born with like an overabundance of confidence. 156 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: It's something that you can build, but you do have to. 157 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 4: Build it by putting a success with a success with 158 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: a success, right Like just like a bog said, check 159 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 4: with a check with the check, you gotta build the successes. 160 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: And sometimes to do that you gotta come back and 161 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: not say, Okay, my first success has to be so big, right, 162 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: just accomplish something. I call it fabricating momental. I believe 163 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 4: that sometimes we get stuck on the first wrung, the 164 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 4: very first thing I'm trying to get started. 165 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't have any money, I don't know people, don't 166 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: have a network. 167 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: That's okay, right, theyn't make the first thing you're trying 168 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 4: to do to climb the mountain, right, that's a lot. 169 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 4: That's a momentous task. Make the first thing by the 170 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: shoes hiking boost, then buy a rope, then drive by 171 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: the mountain and look at it. Well, you know you've 172 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: done three things, right, Get started. Do something that helps 173 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: to build that confidence we all need that. 174 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 7: You have a chapter in the book. I think it's 175 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 7: chapter twenty Yeah, chapter twenty one. All you need is 176 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 7: one white guy. 177 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, get into. 178 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 7: That chapter a little bit because I know you just 179 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 7: mentioned being the only in the room and kind of 180 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 7: dealing with that, like talk to us a bit of 181 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 7: putting that chapter in why and kind of what your 182 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 7: experience has been and why you titled it. 183 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, the chapter. Sometimes all you need is one white guy. 184 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 4: And it's actually the irony of it is that I'm 185 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: saying that what you need is an advocate. 186 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: Right, everybody does nobody. 187 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: I don't care who they are, how successful they are, 188 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 4: nobody does it by themselves. What I'm saying is that 189 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 4: your person may not be white, may not be a guy. 190 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: Right. 191 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: And so when I came into Hollywood, there was a 192 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 4: white executive. 193 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: It was a white gay executive. 194 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: He used to tell me that he felt like he 195 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 4: was trapped in the body of a black woman. I said, okay, 196 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: his name is Clint Culpepper. I said, Clint, first of all, 197 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: don't tell nobody else that secutive all. I can get 198 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 4: you some therapy to unpack that. But he was somebody 199 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: that was an advocate. He was He didn't play spakies, 200 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 4: he didn't know. He didn't go to fam you or 201 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 4: nothing like that. But what I said was, you know, 202 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: he wanted to make movies that were aimed at African 203 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 4: American culture, and I was interested in be an African 204 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 4: American storyteller. I made him look good to the studio 205 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 4: and so he then in turn gave me more power 206 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: and more movies. Remember that advocacy is a two way street. 207 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 4: Oftentimes we have our hands out. I need somebody to 208 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: help me. What can you do for me? The best 209 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 4: way to get help and the best way to find 210 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 4: your advocate? Right your quote unquote one white guy. I 211 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: don't care what it looked like. It could look like 212 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 4: Charlotte Mann, could look like just it doesn't matter. The 213 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 4: point is to get that one person you gotta add 214 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 4: value to them, make them look smart, figure out what 215 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 4: it is that they need, and then once you were 216 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: able to help them, they're gonna want to continue to 217 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 4: help you. 218 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: Right. 219 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: This guy wanted to make movies that were similar to 220 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 4: the ones I made. I made them look smart because 221 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 4: I was able to make them for a certain number 222 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 4: and they overperformed in terms of their budget. 223 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: And so we made a bunch of movies together. Right. 224 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: But you gotta figure out that person that you need. 225 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 4: You gotta find that one person. Nobody does it by themselves, 226 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: and whatever that person is, figure out how you can 227 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 4: add value to their lives. 228 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Don't just think about what can you do for me? 229 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: What can you do for me? No, that's not how 230 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: the people at the top level think. 231 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: Did he get out your way? Did he let you create? 232 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: He absolutely did. 233 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it became a very semiotic relationship. 234 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: It was a two way street. 235 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: Right, So he was He went out and got financing 236 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: from Sony Pictures for the movie. 237 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: Some of the early like if you look at My 238 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: Think like a Man's No. 239 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 4: Good Deeds, Obsessed Takers. Anybody remembers those movies? Those are 240 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 4: all movies that don't pen Number. 241 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: One at the box office. 242 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 4: Those are movies that I made when I was at 243 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 4: Sony Pictures, and these are movies that he financed. But 244 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: our very first one he gave it was called The 245 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 4: Gospel right, the Gospels gospel music movie. It had started yourself. 246 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: It was Interest's first movie off the wire. Boris Kojo 247 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: had all the gospel stars in it, from you know, 248 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 4: Kirk Franklin, Elina Adams, Fred Hamill, everybody, and he gave 249 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 4: me a budget to go out and do that movie 250 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 4: totally on my own. I did not go spend the 251 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 4: money frivolously, and I did not go spend the money 252 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 4: and not return it. I went out spent that money 253 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: on a three million dollar movie and it made fifteen 254 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 4: million dollars. It's not all the money in the world, 255 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: but that's five times what they spent on it. So 256 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: he looked good at the studio, and so they said, oh, 257 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: that's great. Who is this guy that you're working with. 258 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 4: Clinty said, oh, yeah, that's my guy. We want to 259 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 4: make something else, and he continued to feed me as 260 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: I continue to make him look good. 261 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 5: Now, your book is motivational and inspirational, right, but it 262 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 5: leans on comedy too. You love comedy. Because the interesting 263 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 5: thing is the back the quotes you got quick quotes 264 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 5: from Kevin. 265 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: Kerry Washing. 266 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: What made you do that? 267 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 4: It just quote is that I did not authorize Will 268 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 4: Packard to use my name in this book, and he 269 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: did it anyway, And that tells you all you need 270 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 4: to know about Will Packard. 271 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent truth. 272 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 4: All those quotes are truth because I come with Kevin 273 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: pretty hard and uh. And so he said, you know what, 274 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 4: I don't have to like this and I don't have 275 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: to laugh at it. So if you look at the quotes, 276 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 4: I reached out on my industry friends and I said, 277 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 4: just be honest. 278 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: Steve Harvey's quote is by my book first and then 279 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: by Will. That's hilarious, you know what I'm saying. That's 280 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: very much how Steve as. 281 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 4: But you know, for me, it is a lot of 282 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: it is told through humor, it's told through comedy. 283 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: I have had an incredible career. I look back and 284 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: I can't believe it's been thirty years in the game. 285 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: I can't believe. 286 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 4: I've had the success I've had. That is because of 287 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 4: the people listening to the show. It's because of you all. 288 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 4: Let me come on the show. It's because of the 289 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: support of the audience. But the reality is that I 290 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: have been through some shit, man, and so telling it 291 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 4: now I can look back with levity and with light. 292 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 4: And now I'm saying, Okay, learn from what I went through. 293 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Learn from that moment when 294 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: Kevin Hart left me on the set of Ride Alone 295 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 4: to go shoot a stand up special and almost sunk 296 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: the whole movie. 297 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 298 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: I don't want to hear you talk bad about Kevin 299 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 3: no moore after reading chapter twenty two. 300 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: What'sh's chapter? 301 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: If all those fails open the fruits then benefits of feelings? Yes, 302 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: And I don't want to give it all the way. 303 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'll just say, you got into Jamaica with 304 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: an inspired passport. 305 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: I snuck into a foreign country and you called. 306 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: Shaley to fix that problem for you. 307 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: Going into a country with an expired passport felssness is criminal. 308 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: It was not the smartest thing I've ever done. It criminal. 309 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: I just started shout out to Sheila, it was you 310 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 4: know what the point of that when you read that. 311 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: Chapter, sir, sometimes you can get away with cris No 312 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: that is not the point of it, and that is 313 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: not what it was. It was the fact that I 314 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: was first. 315 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 4: It was one of my first dates with this new 316 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 4: woman that I had met, and met this amazing woman 317 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 4: named Heather and sneak. 318 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: Into the contr. 319 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: You know what it was. 320 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 4: Just we got to the counter and my passport was expired. 321 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 4: Because with a passport, you know, it's like seven eight 322 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 4: years or something. Right, that's good, but that's also the problem. 323 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: You don't think about it. I got to that counter 324 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: and they said my passport was inspired. This is my 325 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: first trip out of town, and I'm trying to be impressive, 326 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 4: and she looking. 327 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: At me like, oh, I'm with that guy. 328 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: I'm with the guy that don't even have an acting 329 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 4: passport and don't check this stuff out and you. 330 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Will pack it o what. 331 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 4: So I was like, I got to figure this out, 332 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 4: so I do tell the story about how I snuck in. 333 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 4: The bad thing was that I was able to get 334 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: out of America and I didn't think about the fact 335 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: that once I got into the country, my passport was 336 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: still expired and I would have preferred to be in 337 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: American jail versus a Jamaican jail. So I kind of 338 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 4: didn't think it all the way through. But here's the point. 339 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: We all have situations, right, life is hard where we 340 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: have to then decide after we are in a situation 341 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 4: that we can't control. So once I got into Jamaica, 342 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: I was there, I had the best vacation ever because 343 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: at that point, you gotta go hard. So I encourage people, right, 344 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: there are times when you get into a situation that 345 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: you just got to say, you know what, there's nothing 346 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 4: I can do but live my life to the fullest 347 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: in this moment. Don't stress about it. Don't get anxiety 348 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: about it once you're in it. Once I was in 349 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 4: Jamaica and I snuck in, I knew I might go 350 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: to jail. I said, Yo, I'm gonna have a good 351 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 4: ass time. 352 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 5: You had to go hard because her group chats. You 353 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 5: ain't wanted to tell her friends, but. 354 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: I locked that down after she's my wife. Now that Heather, 355 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: she is here with me right now, did you tell 356 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: your friend? Yes, whether you were. 357 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: An accomplished I just want you to know that you can. 358 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he Heather, definitely. 359 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 360 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: She had to flirt with the Jamaican dude. Help was 361 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 4: get into the country. I don't want to say yeah, no. 362 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: No, I did. I definitely. 363 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: I definitely threw my wife out there. It's not one 364 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 4: of my proudest moments. I said, you gotta do what 365 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 4: you gotta do. 366 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: When keV wanted to go do his stand up and 367 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: go to the party, yes, we hear that it was. 368 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: Completely irresponsible to do. Not try to defend that. Man, 369 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 4: he was irresponsible. He knew exactly what he was doing. 370 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: It the biggest movies our careers, and he overbooked himself. 371 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: Come on, man, that was the biggest. 372 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 7: Moment of your career. 373 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: Like with the Heather you fifteen years later. 374 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: It was. 375 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: It was, and it panned out. 376 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 4: And one thing I would say about keV, if anything, 377 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: he works too hard, right, it wasn't. 378 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't malicious in what he did. He overbooked because 379 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: he does work too hard. And that's the other thing. 380 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 4: The most successful people who have accomplished things that you 381 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: may look and say, how do I get there? The 382 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: only difference between them and you is just that they 383 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 4: haven't stopped. 384 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: That's it. 385 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: They just keep going. They've made all kinds of mistakes, right, 386 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 4: They've had to pivot. And I always say giving up 387 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 4: and quitting her two different things. 388 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: Never ever ever give up. 389 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: But you can quit, right. You might be doing something 390 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 4: the wrong way. You might need to quit. Everybody I 391 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 4: know that's really successful has quit doing something some way 392 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: and pivot it. The power of the pivot I will give. 393 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: I want to get to the audit to pivot, but 394 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: first I want to ask you about the chapter that says, 395 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: stay in your lane. 396 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, just just make it wide, lean into your thing? 397 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: Yes? 398 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: How does one avoid being typecasted by leaning into their thing? 399 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: And when do you know the pivot? 400 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? You know it. 401 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 4: The whole point of that chapter is about when you 402 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 4: have something that you do really really well, because many 403 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: times people are afraid of being locked into something that 404 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: people will think that's all I can do. Right, But 405 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 4: if you do that thing, and you do it really 406 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 4: really well, do not stop. 407 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: Okay, don't stop. 408 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 4: The most successful people have a thing that they do 409 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: and they do it well. Then they use the ability 410 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: to be successful in a lane to go out and 411 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 4: do something else. I'm only able to write this book 412 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 4: with a major publisher because I've been very successful in 413 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 4: a particular medium. Right now, I'm able to go and 414 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 4: do other things. So don't worry worry about that. Oh well, 415 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 4: I can do so much other stuff. What's the thing 416 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: you do really well? 417 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: Do that? 418 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 4: Triple down on that, be the best person in that 419 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 4: particular field. 420 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: And by the way, find your passion within that. 421 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 4: Right, too many times people are telling me, well, I'm 422 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 4: not passionate about something. I gotta wait to find my 423 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 4: passion and before I go out, and you know, work 424 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 4: really hard, and I'm telling you you're building your brand 425 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: from day one. 426 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: Work hard today. 427 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 4: I didn't have a passion to be a filmmaker, I 428 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 4: will admit that, but I was. 429 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: I did not. That was not my dream growing up. 430 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 4: But I found that I was really good at knowing 431 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 4: how to hire actors and raise money and self distribute. 432 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 4: And then I found the passion in storytelling later. So 433 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 4: I found the thing I was really really good at, 434 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 4: and then I found my passion within it. 435 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: I encourage people to do that. 436 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 4: Don't worry about being typecast. Stay in your lane, but 437 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 4: you can make it wide right. I'm not trying to 438 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: pigeonhole you, and I'm not trying to limit what you 439 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 4: can do, but stay in your lane. Too often we 440 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 4: are trying to do too much, and now you can't 441 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 4: be the person that's doing everything the best. 442 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: That is just not how humans work. What's the thing 443 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: you do well? 444 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: Triple down on that so you don't pivot. 445 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 3: So once you've leaned into your thing and you find 446 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 3: that thing, there's never a pivot from that thing. 447 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: It can be a pivot where you use that thing. 448 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 4: You use your ability, you use your brand, you use 449 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 4: the fact that you have got credibility in a particular space, 450 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: you have done the exact same thing. You use the 451 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 4: fact that you have credibility in one lane in order 452 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 4: to then expand your lane. Right, But it should still 453 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 4: all be about this is the thing that I do. 454 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 4: That's why I say stay in your lane, but make 455 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 4: your lane wide. 456 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 7: Is there ever a time where like you're because I 457 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 7: mean looking, I remember when you told the story about 458 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 7: Kevin and with the last time you guys were here, 459 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 7: and now I'm seeing in context of this book of 460 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 7: like who better than you? And I feel like in 461 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 7: that moment he had the arrogance to be like, I 462 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 7: can do both of these. I'm going to be fine 463 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 7: and it's all going to work out. But things like 464 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 7: that can kind of get pretty tricky because what if 465 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 7: it hadn't have worked out whatever a moment where you 466 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 7: have to tell somebody who's coming see you for this 467 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 7: type of who better than you at vice sight? Maybe 468 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 7: this is not it for you right now. Maybe there's 469 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 7: someone better than you right now, but that doesn't mean 470 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 7: later you might not be able to have that who 471 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 7: better than you. 472 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 4: Eric, you have to be honest with yourself Number one. Right, 473 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 4: we live in a world where people think either they 474 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 4: are too great or they are too awful. Rodger Kipling 475 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 4: has a poem called if, and my favorite stanza in 476 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 4: that poem is if you can meet with triumph and 477 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 4: disaster and treat those two impostors just the same. That 478 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 4: is saying that both triumph and disaster are impostors, neither 479 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 4: of them are real. 480 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: Right. 481 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 4: Too many times, because we post some on social media, 482 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 4: everybody tell you, oh my god, you the greatest thing ever, 483 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 4: is so good, or the opposite. 484 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: They just hate knowing you're telling you how awful you are. 485 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 4: Neither of that is true. You gotta stay even keeled. 486 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 4: So the first thing you gotta do is be honest 487 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 4: about you and your skill set. It's the only way 488 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 4: you're gonna get better. Don't worry about external factors. You 489 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: got to have a very honest conversation. One of the 490 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: things I talk about in the book is how we 491 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 4: have to make sure I'm a daily affirmation type of person. 492 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 4: You're there encouraging yourself right, giving yourself positivity, telling yourself 493 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 4: how you're ready, how you prepared, what you can do, 494 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: but also being very very honest with yourself. I don't 495 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 4: care what you tell the world. Don't lot of yourself, 496 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 4: a lot of your mom, a lot of your cousin, 497 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: lot of your boyfriend, girlfriend, husband and wife. Do not 498 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 4: lie to yourself. Be very very clear about what it 499 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: is that you do. 500 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: Well. You know. 501 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk you about the pack of 502 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: family model too. If you want to have what others, 503 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 3: won't you have to do with others don't? 504 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 505 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got your mom with you, Yeah her, I 506 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 4: got moms, I got you know what. 507 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: It's something that mom instilled in me. 508 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 4: You know when I was growing up, Mom and dad 509 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: they took me like you know, like simmling the lion 510 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: king and lifting me up and said, you know, whatever. 511 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: The son touches is your son. 512 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 4: Like I encourage my folks with kids, do that, tell 513 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 4: your kids, because that's when they're the most impressiable. 514 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: Tell them they can do anything. 515 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 4: They told me that, and so I was very audacious 516 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 4: growing up with my family. It's me, my wife. We 517 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: have four children, So that's the six pack. If you 518 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 4: want to have what others don't, you have to be 519 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 4: willing to do what others won't. 520 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: Period. 521 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: That is the mantra. 522 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 4: The mantra is that understand whatever it is that you 523 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 4: want to do, if anybody else can do it, then 524 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 4: it's not special. You're not gonna get it right. You're 525 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: not gonna get something that's unique. You gotta be willing 526 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 4: to do what others are not to get that thing. 527 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 4: And I believe that the more you do hard things, 528 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 4: the better you become at hard things. The more hard 529 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: things you do, the easier hard things become. So don't 530 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 4: run from doing hard things. Don't run from doing the 531 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 4: things that everybody else says it's crazy. That's the only 532 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 4: way you're gonna get strength and to build that muscle. 533 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 4: It's by doing those hard things. Why I say dream 534 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 4: big because your dream has got to be so big, 535 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 4: because they're gonna be challenges along the way. It's got 536 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 4: to be so big that it pushes you past those 537 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 4: challenges inevitably, because if the dream is just a mediocre dream, 538 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 4: like man, it'd be kind of cool to do that. 539 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 4: Then when you run into a speed bump and that's 540 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 4: really hard, you're gonna say, you know what, it ain't 541 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 4: worth it. 542 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm cool, right, But if the dream is so big, right, 543 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: I mean. 544 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 4: So big for a color H four KHD, like super 545 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 4: crazy beyond your wildless dreams big, then when you do 546 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: hit that hard moment, those challenges, you know it's worth 547 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 4: it to keep going and keep fighting because the dream 548 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 4: is big enough. 549 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 3: Is Will Packer allowed to turn his own book into 550 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 3: a movie? 551 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 552 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: Limited seriously, Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm Will Packer. You 553 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: know what I think about doing it. I could do that. 554 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 7: I saw Heather in the background and that you know 555 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 7: what Heather say in the background. 556 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. 557 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 7: I just saw something. 558 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: I was given a lean like maybe no, don't do 559 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: it right now or something. You know what. 560 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: I've made this book not to turn into a movie 561 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 4: or a TV show. You never say never, because you know, 562 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 4: one of my biggest movies is Think Like a Man. 563 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 4: Steve Harvey will tell you he never thought of that 564 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 4: as a movie. 565 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: Never. 566 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 4: He never wrote it for that. I wrote this to 567 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 4: give the master mentorship that I didn't have. I have 568 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 4: people coming to me a lot and saying, tell me 569 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 4: about your success story, tell me about your failures, tell 570 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 4: me about what you had to overcome. And so when 571 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 4: I tell these stories, right, and I talk about you know, 572 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 4: Beyonce turning me down five times, or or or or 573 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 4: I yourselba, you know, almost not walking the carpet at 574 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 4: the first Emmy's and how you get past that? Like, 575 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 4: when I tell these stories, I'm doing that so that 576 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: other people can benefit from them. 577 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: So I could turn into a movie, That's not what 578 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: I made it for. 579 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 4: I literally made this book so that I could influence 580 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 4: other folks who are either on their way up, thinking 581 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 4: about making a pivot, or living a life that they 582 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 4: know could be a little more fulfilling. 583 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: They said, you gotta leave nine forty five venture. 584 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure we do because we is. 585 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 2: A tight schedule. 586 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: Ask you a question, why don't you have the books anymore? 587 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: Will I see you screaming Atlanta Falcons all day, every 588 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: day everywhere you go. I know you're a minority owner. 589 00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: No, no, no, don't do it. 590 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 4: I know, don't you said, why don't I rep the Bucks, 591 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: so you can't context it out. 592 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: Before you give me a chance to answer the question. 593 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 3: The time you were the only Buccaneers fan, I knew 594 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 3: that many people I don't well because there's levels, sir, 595 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 3: and I'm glad you brought that up. 596 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 4: Because there's levels, There is fandom, and I have nothing 597 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 4: but respect for my fans. 598 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: But sir, you of all people, know that there is 599 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: also a level call ownership. 600 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: And I want to show people that I don't care 601 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 4: how high you can jump, how fast you can run. 602 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: My forty time ain't shit. I'm sure. I'm sure my. 603 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: Left hit would have something to say if I tried 604 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: to get out on a track right. I can't throw 605 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 4: a ball far to save my life. I definitely can't dunk. However, 606 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 4: I am in a sports franchise. I am sitting in 607 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 4: the owner's booth and in the owner's box. I want 608 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 4: other people to see that possibility. And Arthur Blank, the 609 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: majority owner of the Atlanta Falcons, gave me that opportunity. 610 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 4: Now in real talk, Charlotmagne, one of the things that 611 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 4: I really want to impress upon people I talk about 612 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 4: in the book is that you never know who's watching, 613 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 4: and that idea of always building your brand like keep 614 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 4: stacking the bricks. Okay, I never thought that I was 615 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 4: gonna be an owner of a football team. 616 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 7: He said, you were walking around delivering newspapers. 617 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 4: I was literally delivering the Atlanta Journal Constitution newspaper. I 618 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 4: was delivering them door to door. I would get up 619 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 4: at three am every morning. I would get in rolle 620 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 4: my papers, put them in the back of my Honda Civic, 621 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 4: and I would go out and I had to have 622 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: them on everybody's porch by six am. 623 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: I knew my route. 624 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 4: That's what I did right at that time. I definitely 625 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 4: wasn't thinking one day I would be sitting in an 626 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 4: owner's box at the Atlanta Foul because but you know 627 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 4: what I did. I was the best damn newspaper delivery 628 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 4: guy that the Atlanta Journal Constitution had because my name 629 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 4: was on it. So I gave it one hundred and 630 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 4: ten percent and so over a lifetime of always going hard, 631 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 4: I then put myself into position when somebody in power said, 632 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 4: you know what I'm looking to add to my ownership group. 633 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 4: My name came up. I made the cut life of 634 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 4: people want to be in that position. But I made 635 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 4: the cut because I had built a career that allowed 636 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 4: me to do it. 637 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: When you go out and. 638 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 4: Work hard and build a career and a meaningful life, 639 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 4: you never know how it's gonna manifest. 640 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: But that's why I wrapped the Falcon Sir. 641 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: I love that. But at what point did you say, 642 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: you know what your booking is, it's over. 643 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 4: Well, I don't think you have to say f anybody, 644 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 4: but I just have to say, rise up, and I'm 645 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 4: rooting for the for the Falcons because that's where the 646 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 4: opportunity can I've not seen you wrapped the books since 647 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 4: they wanted this, brother, I am a part owner of 648 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 4: the Atlanta Falcons. 649 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: What part of this don't you understand? 650 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: Sir? 651 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: Yes, what if he's doing it is levels? Are you 652 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: trying to get the ownership revolt? 653 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: Listen, I'm happy that you have who better than you. 654 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: You know what this is trying to get better than you? 655 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 3: It's the Cowboys fan that's what that is. It went 656 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: out and that coach that nobody is excited and they 657 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 3: just Jarry Jones and as long. 658 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: As he around. 659 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 3: If somebody want to make me a minority owner, I'm 660 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: ready to denounce them. 661 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 2: Too seconds. Okay, we'll pack a new book. 662 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 3: Who better than you to are the healthy arrogance and 663 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: dreaming big out right now. Always a pleasure to see 664 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 3: you go out there and by this book, make it 665 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: the New York Times bestseller. 666 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: Massreciate you found. 667 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: I appreciate you, man thank you, thank you all for 668 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 4: having me, Charlate mane, and thank you because you're somebody 669 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 4: that you know. 670 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: And I told you this. 671 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 4: We saw each other at the Democrat National Convention and 672 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 4: I told you I had written my first book, and 673 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 4: I was inspired by your books and by reading your 674 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: books and just seeing that process and the ground that 675 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 4: you put in, so you never know who's watching and 676 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 4: who you're inspiring. 677 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, my brother, Thank you for having me. 678 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: It's the breakfast Club. 679 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 680 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.