1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. Okay, Katie, gusst gust Stuff Sin. 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: We just went through a pronunciation experiment with your last name. 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: Did I get it? Yes, it's like the first couple 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: of times, I feel like you have to kind of 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: say it's slow. Yeah, you kind of come to get 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: used to it. But it's just there's too many there's 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: too many consonants. It's Gustuson gust Offson. It's the combination 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: of the S F and the S For me, Yes, 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: we got it. I feel like we got it, got it. 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: We were we were just talking. I can't believe I've 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: never met you. You're in Nashville, but you are a 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: psychotherapist who also specializes in the indiogram, which are honestly 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: two of my favorite things in the world. That's so cool. 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: I love that. I want to know how you got 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: into therapy. Why did you decide to become a therapist? 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Um to sort out my own head? I hear that, No, 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting. So I I knew about the 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: angiogram before I became a therapist, So they kind of 20 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: went hand in hand for me always. Um I. Let's see, 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: I have been in therapy from a young age. UM, 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: I have struggled a lot with with chronic depression and 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: anxiety also from a young age. And so I just 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, the two things that really helped me, um 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: to kind of make sense of my world was being 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: in therapy pretty early on and then coming to find 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: the angiogram about fifteen years ago. And so yeah, and 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: so I I was actually in the music world and 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: did singer songwriter stuff, uh, as I was going to 30 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: grad school to become a therapist, and it was always 31 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: kind of like my plan be and uh, and it 32 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: just became such a love for me just therapy. It 33 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: just it was so uh, it was just this world 34 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: that I felt seen and known in and and so 35 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: I I went kind of full force into into building 36 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: a practice after I graduated, uh from grad school and 37 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: have just been doing that ever since and have loved it. 38 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: And it just gives so much meaning to so much 39 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: of my story with depression and anxiety. I mean, of course, 40 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: now knowing how to how to work with those things. Uh, 41 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: it's been so fulfilling to just support people on that 42 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: process as well. Yeah, I love that you just said. 43 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: It's given meaning to it for me in my life, 44 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: therapy and some of just the inner work that I've done. 45 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: Putting a name to the things I was feeling and 46 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, kind of bouncing around in my head. Even 47 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: the crazy stuff helps. It just is so relieving, right 48 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Like when you can actually just put the name to something, 49 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: you can go, oh, I'm not crazy. There's a reason 50 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: I feel like this. It all seems to make sense 51 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: right totally, and that I think that too with the angiogram. 52 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, we'll get into this in a little bit, 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: but it's just the angiogram really gives us a road 54 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: map and it helps us understand the story that we've 55 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: been living out of. Right. Um, it helps us understand 56 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: because I believe our personality is kind of the story 57 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: that we've been living out at from a young age 58 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: and so so so the angiogram finding that just unlocked 59 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: a new a new layer of truth for me, um 60 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: in terms of who I, who I was created to be, 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: and how I had played really small um. And so 62 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: it was this really beautiful kind of self discuss self 63 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: discovery and and just this this incredibly effective language that 64 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: I could now speak you know, I've been knowing all 65 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: of the inner workings of that. Oh I love that 66 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: I was reading in your bio and I actually your 67 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: bio resonated so much with me because you say and 68 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: it says in private practice you specialized specializes in women's 69 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: individual therapy and is passionate about holding a safe space 70 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: for those who long for healing and transformation. And I 71 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: get so much um joy peace. It feels like this 72 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: is how life should be when I'm holding space for 73 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: people who actually want to heal and transform. I love 74 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: that feeling. Why does that? Why does that feel so 75 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: good to you? Do you think? Well? I think my Angiograham, 76 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: my dominant type is four. I'm a dominant type. You are, 77 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, of course, yeah. Well I think. I 78 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: mean not that other types don't hold beautiful space for 79 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: those that are hurting, but I think those those interior 80 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: tunnels that seem really dark to a lot of people 81 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: seem very familiar to me, and so I just I 82 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: really it's it's kind of the water I swim in, 83 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: and so getting to hold space for someone to go 84 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: into those darker emotions, often for the first time, feels 85 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: like something I was made to do, and it's probably 86 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: something that you do really well with your clients as well. 87 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: And with this podcast, you know, there's it takes a 88 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: lot to shock the type four I think, well, that's 89 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: what I was just thinking when you were talking. I 90 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: do not feel uncomfortable at all in the dark places 91 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: of people. And what's so interesting is like when you say, um, 92 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: for those who long for healing and transformation, like, it's 93 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: odd to me that some people don't long for that, 94 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: Like I can't. I can't comprehend that because I long 95 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: so deeply to look at what happened and understand why 96 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: it was bad, not stay there, but understand it so 97 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: that I can transform it and heal from it. And 98 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: I'm not bringing it into the rest of my life. 99 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: And I think because I've experienced the positive aspects of that, 100 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: I want that for everybody. You know, I'm like, come on, 101 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. But you have to want it, 102 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: which is such an interesting part of therapy, angiogram work 103 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: of all of it. Totally. Yeah, having that desire. Often 104 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: say that, you know, our desire is the most valuable 105 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: asset that we have, you know, And to be in 106 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: alignment and in integrity with our desires really is our 107 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: growth path. It really is our our our roadmap home. 108 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's our home. Yeah. It fuels it fuels everything. 109 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, I love I love that you resonate with that, 110 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: that that that need to really long for healing in 111 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: a deep and in passionate way. Yeah. Well, again, like 112 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: you said, I think that's a type four thing. So 113 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: let's let's dive into the indiogram because you really do 114 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: use it. I mean again, in your bio it says 115 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: that you have several modalities that you use, but including 116 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: aniogram a lot to to unblock past trauma, to reconcile 117 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: broken narratives that no longer fit, and to write a 118 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: compelling new chapter. So I think most of my listeners 119 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: probably are familiar with the angiogram. Um. I've had saragean 120 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: case on from iniogram and call she's amazing. Um. And 121 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: then I think a lot of the people who listened 122 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: to this podcast or just seekers as well, and so 123 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: they probably know. But just in case there's some people 124 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: who have never heard of the indiogram, can you give 125 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: us like a brief description of what the indiogram actually is? Yes? Um, 126 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: And I want to te that up. Okay, just really quickly, 127 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 1: Kelly and talk about what personality is, Okay, because maybe 128 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: Sara did Sarah Jane talk about personality, um specifically or 129 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: just so, No, she actually didn't. And what's so interesting 130 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: that you say that? As I was just listening to 131 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: an opera podcast, like right before I got on the 132 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: phone with you, and they were talking about personality and 133 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: soul and how the connection between those two and I 134 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: have never put those two together, but I would love 135 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: to hear your description of that. I think you'll get 136 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: a kick out of it. Um. It's really helpful for 137 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: me to understand personality before I understand how the indiogram 138 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: is powerful. Okay, great. So basically, um, human beings, as 139 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: you well know, are wired first survival, you know, um. 140 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: And by adapting to the expectations and demands of our 141 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: culture and our circumstances, we become expert survivors in life. 142 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: So like you and I are walking around and our 143 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: little for type and we are just we have become 144 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: expert survivors within our personality. And so one of the 145 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: most effective tools for survival is personality. And the word 146 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: personality is derived from the Greek word persona, which means mask. 147 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: And so that is so powerful to me because it 148 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: really demonstrates just how much we actually wear our mask 149 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: of personality around to protect us from harm, to protect 150 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: us from possible rejection, right um. And we do this, 151 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: We we gravitate towards per ssonality in early childhood to 152 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, fit in with our friends and our peers, 153 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: to um please our parents and our teachers and our coaches. Right. 154 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: And we do this very strategically, but very unconsciously. So 155 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: our personalities are made up of this constellation of innate 156 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: qualities UM, coping strategies, defense mechanisms UM, affects, and reflexes, 157 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: and they are all designed to protect us from possible 158 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: harm in life, especially in childhood. UM. And so what 159 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: happens is over time this again this unique personality UM 160 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: that the angiogram teaches there are nine core personalities, but 161 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: this personality becomes the story that we live out of, 162 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: so much so that like when you when you come 163 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: into contact with people, they come to expect your personality, 164 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: right because they experience that as who you are. And 165 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: so as we mature and become adults, life gets much 166 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: more complex. Life definitely throws us curveballs, and the personality 167 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: that we innocently gravitated to in our early childhood is 168 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: no longer needed in the same way. Um. Now that 169 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: we're adults, we don't need our personality in the same way. Um. However, 170 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: our personality doesn't just disappear. Our personality has to expand 171 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: and adjust in order to meet these new complexities that 172 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: we have in adulthood. Are you tracking? Is this making sense? 173 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: It is making sense. Yeah. So, I mean, especially the 174 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: survival piece of the personality, because I know that just 175 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: from therapy. It's like we develop all these survival skills 176 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: as children, and if we keep carrying a lot of 177 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: them into our adulthood, they actually become dysfunctional within our 178 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: relationships and they don't work anymore, right because we're not 179 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: really we can't. We are adults. We we don't need 180 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: someone else to take care of us as far as 181 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: feeding us with the roof of like this, this is 182 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: now our responsibility that we can cover. So these survival 183 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: tools can all can also really affect a relationship in 184 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: a bad way, in a negative way, absolutely, because what 185 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 1: happens is we now have these overgrown personalities in adulthood 186 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: and we've lost touch with that true, authentic, essential self 187 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: that we were into the world, right, like you were 188 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: born into the world, this loving, curious, whole being. Right, 189 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: we learn fear We don't come in as fearful, right, 190 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: we have to learn that. And so as we become adults, 191 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: we're walking around with these often really overgrown personalities and 192 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: we start bumping into stuff and that's when we kind 193 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: of wake up and have this existential questioning inquiry of like, 194 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: who the hell am I? I don't even know myself 195 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: anymore because I've gotten so I've become so removed from 196 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: the the authentic self, the essential self, right. And so 197 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: that's typically when I get a phone call and somebody 198 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: needs to jump into therapy and kind of deconstruct this 199 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: this personality to to really get back to the truth 200 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: of who they are. And so you're right, at the 201 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: core of all of our people problems is personality. And 202 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: so in order to work on and I believe the 203 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: most the number one indicator for success in life and 204 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: relationships is self awareness. And so the angiogram is just 205 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: the best tool we have to understand the truth of 206 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: who we are. I've heard it said that the angiogram 207 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: helps us know who we were before the world told 208 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: us who we needed to be. Oh, I love that. 209 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: It's like it's so it's so powerful because it goes deeper. 210 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: It goes so much deeper than just our personality traits. 211 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: It goes to the core belief systems that we've been 212 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: living out of. It unearthed the motivations for why we think, 213 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: feel and act the way that we do in our personality. 214 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: And so it's not wanting to just box us in 215 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: to a personality type, right, It's wanting us to see 216 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: the box of personality that we're in so that we 217 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: can get out of that box and live into That's 218 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: my eighteen month old, it's not napping today, so no 219 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: the for the ambient freak out. Um. So yes, anyway, 220 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: that that's what I love about the angiogram. Compared to 221 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: some other personality tests like Myers Briggs, stringth spinder, and disk, 222 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: which are all awesome tools. Those, yeah, they don't quite 223 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: go as deep as the angiogram, and that they don't 224 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: really unpack kind of the why behind how we show 225 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: up in the world. Can you kind of do a 226 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: little rundown of the nine types so that if anyone 227 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: listening doesn't know their type maybe, yes, totally started in 228 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: that kind of that discovery for themselves. Yes. So, like 229 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: we said earlier, and like many of you know, the 230 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: angiogram teaches that there's nine core types of personality. Okay, 231 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: we gravitated to an early childhood, so you gravitated to 232 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: this type four, so did I. UM And, so we'll 233 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: start with type eight and we'll just do a little 234 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: fly by of all nine. Why do you start with 235 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: type eight just out of curiosity? I start with type 236 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: eight because, uh, type eights, nines, and ones are housed 237 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: in what's called the body center or triad. And I 238 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: believe that as we develop, before we're even born, the 239 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: first thing to develop is our actual gut center body 240 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: forms UM and and so that I think it's important 241 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: and like developmentally two go in order UM or that's 242 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: just my O c D preference, but I think I 243 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: think it's it's just a powerful way to teach the 244 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: angiogram to start with the body center, something that we're 245 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: all housed in. UM. This body center houses the whole 246 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: of who we are. Then to move into the heart center, 247 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: and then to finish up with the with the head center. UM. 248 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: The reason I don't start with seven is because sevens 249 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: would just peace out after They're not going to stick 250 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: around for the whole the whole gamut of type. So 251 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: we just start with type eight so that they'll hang 252 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: around till the end we get to their type. I 253 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: love that I have the most difficult time in my 254 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: life when I look at all the relationships that are 255 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: tough for me, they're all type eights. So I thought you. 256 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: I was like when you said that, I was like, Ah, 257 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: shots fired. How did you know this about me? That's hilarious? Yeah, 258 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: and no, I'm curious about that for sure. Yeah. Yeah. 259 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: So Type eight is known sometimes as the challenger, sometimes 260 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: as the tector. Eights value justice and honesty and they 261 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: thrive off of intensity in life. Um. They're very self assured, decisive, 262 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: and willful, and they bring this big energy into the 263 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: room wherever they go. UM. They make amazing leaders who 264 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: tirelessly fight for their people, right, especially the marginalized. They 265 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: really are are justice seekers um and truth tellers. Eights 266 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: fear being controlled or betrayed, and so ironically, uh, this 267 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: leads them to becoming controlling um themselves, right, because they're 268 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: so fearful of being controlled. So they contend to be 269 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: pretty aggressive. Uh, they can come off as as pretty 270 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: aggressive and often controlling. Um, you can ask a question 271 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: really fast when you said that their greatest fear is 272 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: being controlled or the betrayal piece, couldn't ape get hyper 273 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: vigilant about being betrayed because of that fear? Like sure, 274 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that I've bumped 275 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: up against, the control. It's it's interesting to hear that 276 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: as the deep rooted fear. I didn't I didn't understand that. Okay, Yeah, 277 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: that definitely checks out for the eight Yeah, I mean. 278 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: And and so, in order to maintain this strong kind 279 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: of exterior, they armor up right, and they hide the softest, 280 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: most vulnerable parts of themselves, which they do have by 281 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: the way, right however, it's just you know, it was 282 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: never safe early on for them to to show those parts, 283 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: so they learned how to hide those parts. And and 284 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: so that's why they come across oftentimes as very kind 285 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: of gruff and um, very forthcoming. They're straight shooters. Their 286 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 1: their core belief is that you must be strong and 287 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: powerful to assure protection and regard in in the world 288 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: and to be value in the world. So you could 289 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: see how that could be really problematic, UM moving through relationships. 290 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: I've dealt with it a lot. Yes, I get it. 291 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: I totally get it. UM. The peacemaker uh is has 292 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: a nine, the type nine. Type nine the peacemaker UM 293 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: often called the mediator. Quite a different energy sometimes. UM 294 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: ninees value a calm and peaceful environment. UH, and they 295 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: will do whatever they can to keep it that way. UM. 296 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: They're super easy going, really agreeable, and self effacing. UM. 297 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: They're just go with the flow people, and so much 298 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: so that in seeking harmony, UM, they often kind merge 299 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: with other people. That word merge is really important for 300 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: type nines to be aware of and and and and 301 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: in in that developing you know, adequate boundaries and relationships 302 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: becomes a lot of the work for type nines. UM. 303 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: But they can often become super self forgetting because they're 304 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: so focused on your needs UM and keeping the peace. 305 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: So they're super conflict avoidant and sometimes really stubborn. I'm 306 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: married to a Type nine and UM contend to just 307 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: really sit in that stubbornness. UM. That's interesting. So their conflict, 308 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: they have a conflict of version, but they're also stubborn. Yes, 309 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: it's part of their way. Kind of the stubbornness is 310 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: kind of part of their UM passive aggression. A lot 311 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: of nines UM can be experienced as as passive aggressive 312 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: and it's a very subtle stubbornness UM and so you 313 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: often don't really see it on the front end. But yes, 314 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: this this stubbornness is UM. Anger is the dominant emotion 315 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: for the body or gut triad. And we won't get 316 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: into that really, but that's really all you need to 317 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: know is that their their relationship is very eighth nins 318 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: and ones. There's a very specific relationship with this core 319 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: emotion of anger. So for a nine that often looks 320 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: as passive aggressiveness and that stubbornness is how they how 321 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: they show up in passive aggression UM and they can 322 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's this the myth, the belief that the 323 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: misguided belief really is that they're lazy. Nine are lazy. 324 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: Nine are some of the most active people on the angiogram. 325 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: Where the laziness and inertia come in is as it 326 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: pertains to their self development, as it pretends as it 327 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: pertains to their UM use it finding and using their 328 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: voice right, so that becomes the work of Type nines 329 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: really is to know that their voice is so valuable 330 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: and their presence is so valuable. So the core belief 331 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: here is that to be loved and valued, you must 332 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: blend in and kind of go along to get along. UM. 333 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: So that that is the invitation for Type nines is 334 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: to really connect to their voice, connect to the importance 335 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: of their presence in the world. Type ones often known 336 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: as the perfectionists. Often I like to call Type ones 337 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: the reformers because a lot of ones I know do 338 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: not identify with this with this title of the perfectionists. 339 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: So um. Type ones look around them and see things 340 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: not just as they are, but as they could be. 341 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: So they are constantly looking to improve the world around 342 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: them UM, to reform the world around them. Their conscientious, 343 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: highly responsible, self controlled UM. But but they can really 344 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: be highly critical both of themselves and other people UM, 345 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: often reading as resentful and again very self critical. UM. 346 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: They have rigidly held belief systems and standards, and that 347 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: can oftentimes cause them a lot of frustration UM because 348 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: these impossible expectations just cannot be met realistically. So the 349 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: core belief for type one is that in order to 350 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: be good UM, in order to be worthy, you must 351 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: be seen as good and right. So there's this um, 352 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: there is this constant just treadmill of strife and and 353 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: you know, impossible standards that they're trying to meet for themselves. Now, 354 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: if I were ever to have brain surgery, you better 355 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: believe I would want that surgeon to be a Type one. 356 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: They are just completely detail oriented and just live out 357 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: of such excellence. So you know, there there are as 358 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: with every type there there are. You know, it's like 359 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: the blessing is the flip side of the coin that 360 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: the curse. You know as well? There so do type one. 361 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: My boyfriend's a Type one, and which is a very 362 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: interesting dynamic between four and a one, And we can 363 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: talk about that once we talk about a four, But like, 364 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: do you ones have a hard time accepting their humanity, 365 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 1: like their human nous because like kind of what we 366 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: were talking about with the four, we're okay getting in 367 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: the muck in the mud, but A one because there 368 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: constantly striving to be good and what was the other 369 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: word you said? Right? Good and right? That doesn't sound 370 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: like a human being to me. So like would would 371 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: they bump up against a lot of shame maybe for imperfection. Okay, 372 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: and absolutely, um that is. That is the work that 373 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: I do with Type ones in coaching and in therapy. 374 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: Is it's all about self compassion. Yeah, developing a self 375 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: compassion practice. And really part of self compassion is understanding 376 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: that humanity is flawed right now, Our common thread as 377 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: humans is our fragility. And for one to really get 378 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: into um contact with that flawed nature of humanity is 379 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: so powerful and that's surrender right yes, But that seems 380 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: like it would take a lot of work for that mentality. 381 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: That would be very hard for them, it is. I mean, 382 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: I often think that ones have the hardest time, you know, 383 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: just because of that violent in her critic you know, 384 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: that keeps them just kind of cramped. I love what 385 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: um and LaMotte says that, like she says, perfection is. 386 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: Perfectionism is the voice of the impress oppressor. It will 387 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: keep us cramped and insane our whole lives. I love Animat, 388 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: don't you love her? So good? So good? I think 389 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what type she is, but I would 390 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: imagine she's a Type four. All our people. Okay, let's 391 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: get to it too, what is it too? Okay? So 392 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Type two now we're moving into the heart triad. So 393 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: these two threes and four is really kind of experience 394 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: the world more through this emotional capacity. UH twos often 395 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: known as the helper, often known as the befriend er. 396 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: I kind of love that term for them. UM two's 397 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: are motivated by relationships right there, just the most relational 398 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: people on the angiogram. They are caring, helpful, but can 399 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: also be prideful UM surprisingly to to a lot of people, 400 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: and overly intrusive and demanding. UM twos can often feel 401 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: taken for granted for in relationships because they find themselves 402 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: giving so much more than they receive. Right their number 403 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: one survival strategy is connection with people in relationship. So 404 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: the fear for the type two is being useless to others, 405 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: being dispensable to others. So the core belief for type 406 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: twos is that you must give fully to others to 407 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: be loved UM. To be seen as worthy UM type threes, 408 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: the achiever UM type threes are there. They pay it 409 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: to tension, to whatever it takes to be seen as 410 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: successful in life. So they're driven by success and accomplishment. 411 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: UH They're They're diligent, productive, busy, very goal oriented. Um, 412 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: and generally achieve what they set out to achieve in life, right, 413 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: and they they look good doing it. It's it's so annoying, right, Like, 414 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of three you You probably work 415 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: with a lot of threes in you in your world. Um, 416 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: kind of threes in my world definitely, you know. And 417 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: they they're so good. They're there, you know, in their 418 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: healthiest selves, their incredible role models, incredible leaders and culture 419 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: and and and politics. Um. And they're strategizing and accomplishing, 420 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: though they tend to take on this shape shifting kind 421 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: of chameleon like behavior um in order to prove themselves 422 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: valuable to other people around them. Um. So they are 423 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: the most image conscious people on any angiogram. And that 424 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: doesn't just mean they're they're vain. It means that they 425 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: are the most concerned about what you think of them, 426 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: because they are there again, driven by the need to 427 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: be seen as as successful in the world. But we 428 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: would never recognize how driven they are for our validation, right, 429 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: Like a three would cover that up, and it would 430 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: be very subtle. Say more about that, Like the threes 431 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: that I know, I would never even think that they 432 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: cared if I approved of anything they were doing or whatever. 433 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: But now that I'm learning more about this and kind 434 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: of have been digging into this with some of my 435 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: friends who are threes, and they're like, yes, like but 436 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: you they don't show that in the same way, Like 437 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't present itself in this way of like I 438 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: need to know that you approve of me or whatever. 439 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely no spot on because they're so they're so very 440 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: task oriented, very goal oriented, and the overlay is confidence. 441 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: So you know, they are just incredibly you know, disarming 442 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: because you just see them as so competent and so accomplished. 443 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: How could they ever, you know, have this deep, deep, 444 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: deep insecurity. I always talk about this is fascinating to me. 445 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how old you are. You're probably much 446 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: younger than me, but um, until do you remember um 447 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: tennis player named Andrea Agassi. Oh yeah, I'm almost thirty nine, 448 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: so I don't think I'm as young as you think. Um. So, 449 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: he wrote an an autobiography and he talked about how 450 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: he became a tennis star to garner the um to, 451 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: to to be loved by his father. Essentially, he hated tennis. 452 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: He hated every stead of it. Yeah, he talks about 453 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: this in his in his book of just about how 454 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: he was so desperate for his dad's approval and that's 455 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: that was the impetus for him becoming this just larger 456 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: than life tennis tennis star. Do you think he's a 457 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: type three I I would I would definitely think he 458 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: would be a type three. I mean, I don't know him, 459 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: so that's not fair of me to say it's kind 460 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: of the cardinal sin of the angiogram. I don't know. 461 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: But you know, even if he's not a three, that's 462 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: very three ish behavior, right right. And to your point, 463 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: we would never know it. We would know did not 464 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: love tennis, so we would never know that that that 465 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: core of security existed. Yeah, they're they're they're driving belief, 466 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: this core belief that you must accomplish and succeed to 467 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: be loved. Clearly very problematic until they learn and come 468 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: into this beautiful space that says that they're human beings, 469 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: not human doings, right, and they can really embrace themselves 470 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 1: as such, which is is it's it's a journey, it's yes. Yeah, 471 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: So type four moving right along. Um, we got this 472 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: one covered, so you know, they can be called the individualist, 473 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: the romantic um. The idealist. UM. I always tell people, 474 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: don't get hung up on the name, you know, just 475 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: if you get if you don't resonate with the name 476 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: of the type, just go by the number, you know, 477 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: because they can often be misleading. So Type fours have 478 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: this rich interior life, as we have talked about, and 479 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: they relish this kind of range of emotions. It's, um, 480 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's there. Like I said, it's the water 481 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: they swim in. And they long to be unique, to 482 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: be seen as special. Um. They're creative, very artistic, often 483 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: not always UM. Self expression is everything to a type 484 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: for UM. They value empathy and authenticity UM, and can 485 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: also be pretty moody, right, very laughing because it's you're 486 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: just describing me right now. Yeah, I mean I'm the 487 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: reason I know this is because I've lived it, right, 488 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: just like UM. They're just super expressive with their wide 489 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: range of of emotions. UM. They have this emotional literacy 490 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: that is again they're blessing and their curse. UM, why 491 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: do you say curse? Can you tell us more about that? Well? 492 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: I think the trap in that is to become so 493 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: kind of self focused and to really lose touch with 494 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: the fact that they are not We're not our emotions. 495 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: I am not my emotions. You are not your emotions. 496 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: You are Kelly, I am Katie. You know again, I'm 497 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: a human being. UM, and I think fours can tend 498 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: to really indulge. We contend to really indulge this darker 499 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: kind of side of our emotional life. And if we're 500 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 1: not careful, this unconscious behavior can take over this autopilot 501 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: and our emotions can drive us around all day long, 502 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, driver's seat and and and so you know 503 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: it's it's so what the work I do with fours 504 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: is to externalize their emotional experience, UM, and to really 505 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: separate out this, to to developed some healthy detachment from 506 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: from the emotional experience, okay, um, because it can be 507 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: so overwhelming. And that's why I mean, I think a 508 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: lot of fours, you know, we do kind of tend 509 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: to gravitate towards depression and those kind of darker spaces. 510 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: And so again, learning how to UM manage our emotional 511 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: experience is so so important in the inner work that 512 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: we do. UM. Would you say that's true for you? Yes? UM, 513 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: I mean I would say probably one of my boyfriend's 514 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: biggest complaints about my personality would be that I focused 515 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: too much on the negative, like I can get stuck there, 516 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: and he's he's very clear with me about that. Like 517 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: I feel like we're in this loop of worry and 518 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, the dark sides of stuff. It's been kind 519 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: of good for me to have someone who points that 520 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: out to me, because I don't think I'm so comfortable there. 521 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that I realized that I'm, you know, 522 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: on a loop of stuff. But isn't it Isn't it 523 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: true that people typically like you don't want to be 524 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: the number that you are, because like that makes me 525 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: cringe to hear you say the stuff about the negativity, negativity, 526 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: the moodiness. Like I'm like, I don't want to be 527 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: that person like that, but I know it's true at 528 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: the same time, you know totally. I mean that's been 529 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: my experience and and and it also has for a 530 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: lot of people that I know. I think we're so 531 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: acquainted with our weaknesses, so much so that it's easier 532 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: for us to identify our personality type based on our weakness, 533 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: is not our strengths. You know, we have this negative 534 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: bias as human beings, and we're just very you know 535 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: I've heard you know, it's like the saying we're Teflon 536 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: for the positive and bell grow for the negative. So true, 537 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: so true. So you're right, Yeah, we kind of get 538 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: grossed out by when we come into contact with our 539 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: type and it's like, oh, man, that just pegged me 540 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: and pegged all the all the darker parts of me 541 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: that I tried to hide from people, right, Yeah, and 542 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: that you don't want to really have to admit to yourself, 543 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: if I'm being completely honest, like I don't want to. 544 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: I've you know, had this issue with being told I'm 545 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: too much. That's like a very sensitive thing for me. 546 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: But when I hear the type for description, I'm like, 547 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: I could see maybe we're some other numbers that would 548 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: that would overwhelm them totally, totally. Yeah, And it's you know, 549 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: the beauty and the invitation of the angiogram is that 550 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: there's a growth path for every type. And so you know, 551 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: the more work we do with the angiogram, the less 552 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: um prominent our type tendencies become. Because so interesting, we 553 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: kind of softened around the edges, right, and we become 554 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: less in our personality, less in our ego, and more 555 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: in this kind of open, receptive, true authentic self. Yeah, 556 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: and that's the beauty. It's like, that's what we're going for, um, 557 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: to get out of that box of personality and and 558 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: then open up to this beautiful almost spiritual experience of 559 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:28,959 Speaker 1: receptivity and allowance and curiosity. So so yeah, that's where 560 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 1: we're all headed, and that's the that's the common denominator here. Yeah, 561 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense to me because honestly, when 562 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: um going back to the example of like staying on 563 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: the loop of the negative, when he used to say 564 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: that to me, it would make me so mad, you know, 565 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: and I was just so um resistant to that, like no, 566 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: I'm not not what But then I sat with myself 567 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: because I did start investigating a little more about the 568 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: four demeanor, and once I could accept it within myself. 569 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: It's so interesting because now if he points it out, 570 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh am I doing at again? Like, and 571 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: I can kind of ask myself if I feel like 572 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm stuck and then take some steps to maybe focus 573 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: on things that have to be grateful for, like I 574 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: have new tools that I can do. But it took 575 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: me accepting that maybe that is a characteristic of my 576 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 1: personality and like it doesn't have to be good or bad. 577 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: It's just it just is like yeah, absolutely no, that's beautiful. 578 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. There's so much it's like there's 579 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,919 Speaker 1: so much acceptance. There's so much room to explore acceptance, 580 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: um Angiograham, That's that's what I love about it so much. 581 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, that tendency that we have as fours to 582 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: kind of see what's missing and to see how um 583 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, I mean the work that you do, fours 584 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: have this incredible capacity for aesthetic and like so many fours, 585 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: we really relish in this knowing what fits, knowing what 586 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: looks good, knowing what's what's the good stuff in life? 587 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: You know. So the work that you do as a 588 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: stylist is so perfect, like to be a four in 589 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: the line of work that you do is so you know, 590 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: you can't make the stuff up right, Like it's you 591 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:22,240 Speaker 1: have this innate you lead with this incredible ability, um 592 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: to put things together and to make things beautiful. And 593 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: the curse of that too is that you know there's 594 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: this way that it should be, like this ideal way, 595 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: and and so if it's not that way, like we're 596 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: always seeing like, uh, you know, this could be so 597 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 1: much better if I was if the lighting was right 598 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: right here, and if like if it was black and white, 599 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: and you know, if if it were at five o'clock 600 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: instead of ten o'clock in the morning. You know, like 601 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: it's so it's true. It's just again it's the blessing 602 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: and the curse. Right. Well, there's the two parts of 603 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: that that I totally reason nate with. Are that One. 604 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: People constantly email me and say, how did you get 605 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: in this business? Were you trained? Were you this? Like 606 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: what do you look at star wise to learn what 607 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: to put people in? And I'm like, I don't, Like 608 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: I literally go pick out clothes and I just see it. 609 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it. I see it 610 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: in my head, what would work together, what the look 611 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: should be like, I just see it. Um. But then 612 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: on the flip side, what you're describing about if if 613 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: it was just this different or it has to be 614 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: a certain way, Like I am never satisfied with my 615 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: work completely ever exhausting. I can barely even post about 616 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: the stuff that I do because it'll be that one 617 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 1: thing that just it kills me that I can't even 618 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: and then I can't even appreciate the whole picture. So 619 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm done, you know. Oh no, it's a torture. 620 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: It's so hard. I resonate with that totally. Yeah, totally. Okay, 621 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: let's move on to a five because I think we 622 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: could probably talk about floors forever. Maybe I need to 623 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 1: book a session, or we could just go get a cocktail. Yeah, 624 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: that works. To type fives, the observer UM often called 625 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: the investigator fives focus on information and mastery of of 626 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: diverse subjects right um perpetual learners, and they tend towards 627 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 1: privacy and introversion. UM. They tend to observe their inner 628 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: world rather than really engage with it, so they can 629 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: often seem aloof or detached. UM. They value self sufficiency 630 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: UM so much and are more comfortable with a loane 631 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: time than any other number. UM. Solitude is very important 632 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: to type fives. UM. They in an effort to remain 633 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: self sufficient and preserve their resources UM, they lean towards 634 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: UM this thing called avarice, which is greed basically, so 635 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: they kind of like hoover up all of their emotional resources, 636 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: material resources, even and that's all being fueled by this 637 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: need to be self sufficient. Right. Um, they can be 638 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: withholding emotionally and materially even from others. So their core 639 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: belief is that you must protect yourself from this world 640 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: that demands too much and gives too little. Right. So 641 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: that is their survival strategy on planet Earth is self 642 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 1: efficiency and kind of um this reservoir of their internal 643 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: resources material resources. Um. And in some ways they can 644 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: seem a little bit stingy, but this again, this is 645 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: their unconscious survival strategy. So they come by it honestly. 646 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: You know. Their work is to really open up and 647 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: learn to engage right with their emotional world a little 648 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: bit more, to get into their bodies a little bit more, 649 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: and just to to to drop out of that headspace 650 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: that they elevate as as most important. Okay, okay, so fascinating. Yeah. 651 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,439 Speaker 1: I know one type five and he um, he does 652 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: get very in his head. He can't really like I 653 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: would I call it. He over analyzes everything, but um, 654 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: it's and like I mean everything that has been my 655 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: experiences and I just look at it sometimes I'm like, gosh, 656 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: that must be exhausted totally. I guess they have to 657 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: find the balance between the analytical piece of what is 658 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: great about their personality and then going extreme with it totally. 659 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: It's this it's this UM kind of again this healthy 660 00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: detachment UM that becomes the work of the type five 661 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 1: you know. UM. But yes, analyzing UM and over analyzing, 662 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: that's like that's the water they swim in. That's just 663 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: that's their natural habitat, you know. Yeah, all right, let's 664 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: talk about a six. Okay, six is uh the loyalist 665 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,439 Speaker 1: UM six is you know, the core belief for type 666 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 1: six you must gain certainty and security right in in 667 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: a hazardous world UM that you can't trust. So UM 668 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: they're all about getting UM acquiring security. UM. Safety and 669 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: security that is, that is their core UM need in 670 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,240 Speaker 1: life is UM to to be safe and secure. Quite 671 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:52,919 Speaker 1: quite simply. They are trustworthy, they're inquisitive, they're committed people. UM. 672 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: Sixes are often the rocks in our friendships and relationships. UM. 673 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 1: Sometimes it might be hard to gain the trust of 674 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: a six, but once you have it, man, it's gonna 675 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: be hard to get rid of them, right. UM. They 676 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,720 Speaker 1: are typically pretty intuitive and make excellent trouble shooters UM. 677 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 1: And they lean towards worst case scenarios um uh. And 678 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: they often are kind of experienced as pessimists, and to 679 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: that they would reply, I am not a pessimist, I 680 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: am a realist, right, So, so that's kind of their imo. Um. 681 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: They're you know, they're constantly making plans for what could 682 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: go wrong and UM and so oftentimes experience high levels 683 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: of anxiety because this kind of innate self doubt that 684 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: they experience with making decisions. So that's type six UM. 685 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:55,240 Speaker 1: Type seven. Finally, the loyal or sorry, the enthusiast UM 686 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: seven's know how to have fun. I mean, they are 687 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: just like the bubbles of the angiogram. They're just so 688 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: magnetic really UM. They are usually found doing something really 689 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: spontaneous and exciting or interesting. Their incredible entrepreneurs UM and 690 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: and brilliant thinkers, very fast thinkers, always looking for the 691 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: next adventure. UM. Really exuberant and optimistic and um can 692 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: really kind of belle collectors of friends UM with this 693 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 1: magnetic kind of optimism UM. And there their their mechanism 694 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: to avoid is to avoid pain, right UM and avoid 695 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: those darker emotions that come along with life. So in 696 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: an effort to numb or avoid pain, sevens can sometimes 697 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: cause hurt by ignoring or sidestepping or being oblivious to 698 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: people's feelings because they're just too dark and too heavy 699 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: and it's too too scary to go there. Um So, 700 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: in the quest for this upbeat, kind of adventurous life, 701 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: they can be often noncommittal and self serving. Um, but 702 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: they're fabulous and we love Type sevens. There's so much fun, 703 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,319 Speaker 1: um and are brilliant people in so many ways. Their 704 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: core belief is that you must keep life open and 705 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: up to get your needs fulfilled and um to have 706 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,879 Speaker 1: a good life. So so well, I mean, and how 707 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 1: that plays out if you don't do work, well, that's it. Okay. 708 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,720 Speaker 1: So I was listening to that thinking like that sounds 709 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: terrible to me because that contradicts everything internally that I 710 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 1: need for connection and like what I look two in 711 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 1: life like, like what I'm striving for in life like 712 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 1: seems like it would be a very difficult personality for me. Yeah, 713 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: safe with if that means? Oh, I think that's so 714 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,399 Speaker 1: well said, yes okay, um so, and that I kind 715 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: of want to talk a bit more about that in 716 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: just a second. But how do you I'm curious how 717 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: you use the any Agraham now that we know the 718 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: different types, and again, there's so much more to the 719 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: instagram because you have subtypes, you have, um, what is 720 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: the other thing called where it's like the kind of 721 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,799 Speaker 1: it's like sexual social, Those are the subtypes. So that's 722 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: a subtype. But then okay, you can have wings maybe 723 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,320 Speaker 1: is that the other piece of types? Lines, arrows, growth, paths, 724 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, So there's so much more to 725 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,879 Speaker 1: learn to you guys, if you are interested in this. 726 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: This is another resource that Katie can maybe help you with, 727 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, moving forward and diving into the indiogram. But 728 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: I want to know how you use the aniogram to 729 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 1: help people heal trauma. I found that so fascinating. Yeah. Well, basically, 730 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,319 Speaker 1: our traumas kind of force us into these ways of 731 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: being and ways of protecting ourselves that are often um 732 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 1: require us to kind of split or dissociate, right, um, 733 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: because you know, when we are violated, um in a 734 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 1: vulnerable were vulnerable and so you better believe that after trauma, 735 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of go into the spider flight 736 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,320 Speaker 1: mode in order to self protect right, whether that's sexual trauma, 737 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,400 Speaker 1: whether that's you know, either it's big T trauma or 738 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,960 Speaker 1: little T trauma, could be subtle and it could be 739 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: very overt um or it could be very you know, 740 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: obvious trauma. But the angiogram, a big word in the 741 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: angiogram community is integration, right, So the angiogram really the 742 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,920 Speaker 1: path of healing, as prescribed I believe by the angiogram, 743 00:51:53,239 --> 00:52:01,880 Speaker 1: is to reconnect to that true self, at vulnerable self, 744 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,279 Speaker 1: the essential self right that we were born into the 745 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,439 Speaker 1: world with. You know, trauma forces us to split from 746 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:17,479 Speaker 1: that vulnerable self and self protect right. And so part 747 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,920 Speaker 1: of the work I do with people who have experienced 748 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:30,120 Speaker 1: a lot of trauma is to reintroduce those parts that 749 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: were too painful they had to leave behind, they were violated. 750 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: And so what we do using the angiogram is we 751 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:45,160 Speaker 1: we unearthed the story of their personality that they've been 752 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:51,240 Speaker 1: living out of, how they had to survive using their personality, 753 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 1: and we began to write a new narrative and we 754 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: begin to integrate, reintegrate. You've heard of um you know 755 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: inner child work or shadow work. That's basically what we 756 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: do use in the angiogram. The angiogram just gives us 757 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: a very clear roadmap um with which to do that. 758 00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,359 Speaker 1: It's kind of like the scaffolding that we can use, 759 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,800 Speaker 1: the structure that we can use to begin to rewrite 760 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: our story. That's true. It's going from unreality to reality, 761 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: which I believe is the spiritual journey. So the angiogram 762 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,799 Speaker 1: is this psycho spiritual tool that we have that know 763 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: that not only helps us heal from trauma and reconnect 764 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: and reintegrate ourselves, but it helps us to write a 765 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,640 Speaker 1: powerful new narrative that actually fits, that actually is in 766 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 1: alignment with the truth of who we are. So it's 767 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: like this, it's this homecoming, it's this beautiful homecoming. I 768 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: believe that the angiogram allows us to to to to 769 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,720 Speaker 1: make and it's all about coming home to the truth 770 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: of who we are and leaving behind the parts of 771 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,719 Speaker 1: our story that don't work for us anymore. It's so interesting. 772 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I just love when the universe creates these 773 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,880 Speaker 1: things that happened. But I have heard maybe four or 774 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: five times in the last week and a half that 775 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,920 Speaker 1: our biggest journey is always and our biggest relationship is 776 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,799 Speaker 1: always the relationship with ourselves, right, and so um, any 777 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,680 Speaker 1: sort of therapy that I've done, or any sort of 778 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: work that I'm still continuing to look into, it always 779 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,239 Speaker 1: goes back to that. And in this I'm hearing that 780 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: again that it's just understanding yourself enough to go how 781 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: do I heal that part? And then how do I 782 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,920 Speaker 1: use the parts of myself that are wonderful, that are 783 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 1: my gifts, that are my strengths, and create a life 784 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: that is fulfilling and to where I'm serving and giving 785 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,720 Speaker 1: back to the universe what I came here to do. Yes, 786 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,920 Speaker 1: that is so powerful. That's it. That's that's the work 787 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:09,319 Speaker 1: that you just said it so beautifully and is oftentimes 788 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 1: is that journey you know inward, you know, that journey 789 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 1: from this you know often exhausting headspace to the heart. Yeah, 790 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 1: soften into that space and to hold into hold space 791 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 1: for those parts of us that we had to abandon 792 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 1: along the way because of our trauma. Right. Yeah, that's 793 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,960 Speaker 1: a big word. So I know anytime the angiogram comes 794 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 1: up amongst my friends or just in conversation, the first 795 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,319 Speaker 1: question people ask is are there are certain types that 796 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,880 Speaker 1: work better than others in relationship? And what I've studied 797 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,920 Speaker 1: is that it doesn't matter the number, but it's about 798 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,400 Speaker 1: someone wanting to understand. It's it's like the level of 799 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,160 Speaker 1: health maybe or the level of growth that a person 800 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: is willing to accept within their number, and that's where 801 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 1: the compatibility, like you could find it with any number. Right. 802 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: There's some articles that I will say do seem to 803 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: hint at certain numbers being more um they just work better, 804 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,879 Speaker 1: they work easier. What what would you say to that? 805 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,759 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's both and honestly, I think 806 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 1: it's both. And like most things in life, I think 807 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 1: that either or game is just two binary. I think 808 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:36,719 Speaker 1: that there are certain types that naturally really really um compliment. 809 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,240 Speaker 1: But I also believe that any type. We can make 810 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 1: any type work with another type, if to use that 811 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: D word, our desire is there and we're willing to 812 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:54,960 Speaker 1: do the work right. So I believe that. I believe that. Sure, 813 00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: I think certain types really there's a there's a very 814 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 1: prevalent um four and nine. Yeah, I was. I though 815 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: that was interesting when you said your husbands and I, yeah, 816 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,040 Speaker 1: I have so many people that I've talked to or 817 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 1: listen to in this world that are that is that 818 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,560 Speaker 1: is a pretty dynamic um duo for some reason. But 819 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 1: I think it does work. Um that and but honestly, 820 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: like a one and a four, if you're doing your work, 821 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: the thing is the work is to become less identified 822 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 1: by type, to relax those tendencies, to become more open 823 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,920 Speaker 1: to receive and be a human being rather than a type. 824 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,640 Speaker 1: Totally makes to me if we're doing the work of 825 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: the Aniograham, hopefully will relax that kind of arthritic grip 826 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,480 Speaker 1: that personality has on us, will start to relax that 827 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,640 Speaker 1: so that we can honestly, you know, our egos not 828 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: not driving the ship anymore, so now we can show 829 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 1: up as our true selves and hopefully we can connect 830 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,520 Speaker 1: with any type well, right, because I don't actually like 831 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,560 Speaker 1: I think I said this a little bit earlier, but 832 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: like you know, there's a lot of people who go, oh, like, 833 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to be that number. But for me, 834 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,600 Speaker 1: it's been about a journey of acceptance again and then 835 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, finding the benefits and then in understanding my 836 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 1: weaknesses as a certain you know type, but its just 837 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: accepting them as like a tiny piece and kind of 838 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 1: going up, Yeah, I am doing that again for me 839 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 1: with in my relationships, for instance, it's like so much 840 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,280 Speaker 1: easier if someone else understands their type and my type 841 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: because they can understand like the driving forces behind why 842 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: it's so important me to do certain things or I 843 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,320 Speaker 1: can do the same for them. Why something that I 844 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,240 Speaker 1: think is silly and irrelevant is just so important, you know, 845 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: and just identifying those things. Yes, well, I think we 846 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,200 Speaker 1: have so much more compassion for ourselves and for other 847 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,040 Speaker 1: people when we understand what's motivating their behavior. Yes, even 848 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,120 Speaker 1: the fear piece. Like when you said that about an aid, 849 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: I had never heard that for some reason, and I 850 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,560 Speaker 1: get so frustrated with eights in my life, but that 851 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 1: actually just made me go, oh, they're driven by that fear, 852 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 1: thus making so many behaviors that I've experienced to make 853 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 1: complete sense totally. Yeah, your your your spot on UM. Okay, 854 00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,920 Speaker 1: so let's talk a little bit about this UM for 855 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: the practice. It's it's a indiogram based self development toolkit 856 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,200 Speaker 1: that you've created, and I want to talk about one 857 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,800 Speaker 1: what you can offer to people and why you think 858 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:47,120 Speaker 1: this would be helpful. Yeah. So, throughout the twelve year 859 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,439 Speaker 1: course of being a therapist in private practice, I've heard 860 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,800 Speaker 1: the same kind of broken record over and over and 861 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: over again, which is I need tools, right, Yeah, I 862 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: need tool toles for therapy to use outside of therapy. 863 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: You know, It's like we wouldn't expect to go to 864 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,800 Speaker 1: the gym twice it twice a month and see like 865 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 1: real results. You know, we have to change some things 866 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 1: in our daily life to align with kind of this 867 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,200 Speaker 1: this work that we're doing in the gym with the 868 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 1: trainer and the same the same, it's true with our 869 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 1: emotional UM fitness. Really we have to I believe, like 870 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 1: the work I do with with clients is to create 871 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 1: rhythms in their daily lives that UM that really support UM. 872 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: Their the their desired outcomes that they want to experience 873 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,200 Speaker 1: in life. Right. So the practice is based on the 874 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,760 Speaker 1: premise that UM, whatever we practice, we improve. And so 875 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,320 Speaker 1: like you said, it's like this, it's a it's a 876 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: monthly membership and it's it's a specialized tool kit that's 877 01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,000 Speaker 1: designed to take the guesswork out of self care for people. 878 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: So it combines three core practices meditation, UM, journaling, and 879 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,360 Speaker 1: self compassion. And it also UM teaches the angiogram in 880 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: a way that helps us apply the angiogram and our 881 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,440 Speaker 1: daily life. So the practice, when you join the practice, 882 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 1: what's so powerful is that you get a plan for 883 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: your self care, right, you get tools that you can 884 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,760 Speaker 1: use outside the therapy office, and you get accountability and 885 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:38,080 Speaker 1: support UM through becoming a member of this program. So 886 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,000 Speaker 1: that's that is the reason I feel like we don't 887 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,120 Speaker 1: thrive the way we want to in life is we 888 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,120 Speaker 1: don't have the accountability. We don't have the structures set 889 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,120 Speaker 1: up in our life to achieve the goals that we 890 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,880 Speaker 1: long to see in our life. So that's why I 891 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 1: created the practice, because I just after twelve years, if 892 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: you're in the same thing, I'm like, okay, we I 893 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 1: want to create a plan for anyone and everyone who 894 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,000 Speaker 1: really desires to do the deeper inner work of the 895 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 1: angiogram and really practice self care so that it can 896 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,240 Speaker 1: thrive and become the best versions of who they are 897 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,440 Speaker 1: there their true authentic selves. And this is just a 898 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,600 Speaker 1: subscription based program that people can do online. Do you 899 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,160 Speaker 1: have daily things or is it weekly? It's daily, So 900 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,640 Speaker 1: every week you get a new basically a new module, 901 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:38,280 Speaker 1: and you get new meditations UM, new journal prompts, one 902 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,600 Speaker 1: for every day of the week, a self compassion practice 903 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,880 Speaker 1: that you bake into your schedule at some point during 904 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 1: the week, and it comes with a little a little 905 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,200 Speaker 1: indiogram teaching UM. Every month, we have experts in the 906 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,520 Speaker 1: field of the angiogram and wellness that kind of UM 907 01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,120 Speaker 1: teach us, give us like a front row seat you 908 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 1: their expertise as it pertains to the angiogram and just 909 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:10,600 Speaker 1: the larger healing arts community. And so there's there's two 910 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 1: live streaming support sessions that you can hop on and 911 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 1: get some accountability and encouragement, you know, wherever you're feeling stuck. 912 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,400 Speaker 1: So so it's kind of this ever changing design that 913 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 1: you grow with from week too. So I'm assuming the 914 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,440 Speaker 1: journal prompts the meditations their type specific, like you register 915 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: as your type. Okay, amazing, that sounds amazing. It's really 916 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: been great. It's we've gotten a great response. I'm so grateful. 917 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: It's been so fun. Yeah, where can people find this? 918 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,720 Speaker 1: So you can go to my website Katie Gustufson dot 919 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,840 Speaker 1: co and there's a banner front and center to join 920 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,640 Speaker 1: the practice UM. And you can also go to my 921 01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Instagram page, my Instagram feed at Katie Gustufson dot co 922 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,520 Speaker 1: and there's a link in the bio that you can 923 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,560 Speaker 1: join the practice as well. I'm gonna put both the 924 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,400 Speaker 1: link to the website in your Instagram and the description. UM, 925 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: so people know how to spell gust of sin knowing it. 926 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm getting it. I'm getting it, getting there. The funny 927 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,120 Speaker 1: thing is the funny thing is my husband's last name 928 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,080 Speaker 1: is Hill. Well, I mean, it would be a lot easier, Katie. 929 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 1: I know it would be so much easier, but now 930 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,480 Speaker 1: I used to hate it, but now I just I 931 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,000 Speaker 1: kind of can't let it go. Yeah, I mean, I 932 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: will never forget it. I will tell you that. Well, 933 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,520 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. I mean, I 934 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 1: feel like I could go so much deeper, so we 935 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,840 Speaker 1: might have to have you back on to take about 936 01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,320 Speaker 1: the indiogram. I love this work and I love what 937 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,720 Speaker 1: you're doing. You guys, go check out Katie at Katie 938 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,760 Speaker 1: gus gustuson on Instagram, and then I'll put all the 939 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,720 Speaker 1: links to her bio. I mean, I'm sorry, all the 940 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,760 Speaker 1: links to her website and the bios. You can check 941 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,120 Speaker 1: out the practice and dive deeper into the indiogram if 942 01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:03,160 Speaker 1: you're more interested. Yes, yeah, thank you again for being here, Katie. 943 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, Kelly, it's been so fun, And thank you 944 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,640 Speaker 1: guys for listening. Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge 945 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,800 Speaker 1: Podcast with Kelly Henderson, where we believe everyone has a 946 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,240 Speaker 1: little velvet and a little Edge. 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