1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier, chapin the gang. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazier. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazier, and before we get to today's guest too, 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: you're all going to know today's guest. But if you're 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: like many people. 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: You may be surprised to learn that one in five 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: adults in this country experience mental illness. Last year. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: You have far too many fail to receive the support 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: they need. Tarylan behavioral health is doing something about it. 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: They understand that behavioral health is a key part of 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: and social needs in tandem. 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: Tarlm behavioral health. 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: Raising the quality of life through empathy and action. This 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: podcast allows me to bring on a lot of friends, 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: but a lot of the greatest of the greats. And 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: this person hears certainly in that category of one of 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: the greatest athletes of all times, one of the greatest 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: Olympians of all times. But I like to have people 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: on who are also one of the greatest people I've 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: ever met of all time. 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: With that, I'm going to bring in a good friend. 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: Of mine who we respectfully call each other each one's besties, 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: the one and only, Lindsay Vaughn. 27 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: How are you, bestie, ay J? 28 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 4: How are you? 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? I love the product placement there. I 30 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: don't are you a spokesman for somebody? 31 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: I can't tell? 32 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 5: I could tell, but I mainly I just got done skiing, 33 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 5: so I've got helmet hair, and you know, I wanted 34 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: to be presentable, so this was my solution. 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: That's still a thing for you, helmet air after all 36 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: these years, you still worry about helmet air? 37 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it doesn't go away like when you ski. 38 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 4: It just happens. It's a natural side effect. 39 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, I'm fucking Lindsay Vaughn. I could have 40 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: whatever kind of air I want. You shit me. 41 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: By the way, as you could tell, it's my normal 42 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: voice on this podcast, so you can ye. 43 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: I know, well, there isn't any other voice other than. 44 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: Your authentic Jay and boys, I appreciate that. Now listen 45 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: all right, Son and I I want to go back here. 46 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: We were together with my baby sister Michael Strahan when 47 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: I was first starting to write this book, and you 48 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: knew it was about depression, anxiety, and mental health. But 49 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: you never said anything about yourself during that period. 50 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 6: You are so laser focused on writing an amazing. 51 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 4: Book what you did, and I didn't want to. 52 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 5: Distract you from, you know, your timeline because you were 53 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 5: you're hammering that book out. But I you know, you 54 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 5: have your own story and I wanted it to be 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 5: your story, and I didn't want to, you know, distract 56 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 5: you with my own issues. 57 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: It's not distracting me at all. That's the whole thing. 58 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: Like we have to have teammates in this and and 59 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: walk this walk together. So you know, I do want 60 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: to dive into that. I want to dive in a 61 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: lot of stuff with you. But first before we get 62 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: into that, I see you have your metals up behind 63 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: you and your trophies up behind you. And have you 64 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: always hung them up or has that been a recent thing, 65 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: Because I know a lot of people kind of struggles 66 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: kind of celebrating themselves. 67 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say, yeah, I definitely don't celebrate myself. I've 68 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 5: actually always had them in storage. I've never I had 69 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 5: some of them up when I lived in Colorado, but 70 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 5: I still didn't have enough room. And I always have 71 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 5: had my Olympic medals in my SoC door for some reason. 72 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 5: And then my friend actually made this really nice shadow 73 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 5: box for my World Championship medals, and then he did 74 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 5: just my golden medal from the Olympics, and I have 75 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 5: that in another location. But yeah, I just I think 76 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 5: after I retired, it was nice to reflect and I 77 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 5: actually look back at you know, I've got like my 78 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety four you know Most Improved from buck Hill, Minnesota, 79 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 5: like right next to my Lrius Award, and I think, 80 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 5: you know, it's just nice to reflect and look back 81 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 5: on what I've you know, achieved. I never really did 82 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 5: that when I was racing, because you're always looking for 83 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 5: the next goal, you know, the next achievement that you 84 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 5: want to get to, and so you're never really present 85 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 5: and thinking about, you know, wow, I actually I did 86 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 5: a good job. So yeah, it's nice to it's nice 87 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 5: to see them all. I haven't see them in a 88 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 5: long time, so. 89 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: It's great that you could celebrate yourself now. 90 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: And it is like I think, it's you know, like 91 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: I try and tell our friends and people I talk 92 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: to now now that I'm so vocal about this that 93 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: you got you got to be your own hero. 94 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: You got to view yourself as your own hero. Too 95 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: many of us beat ourselves down. 96 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: And you know think that, oh man, if you're giving 97 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: yourself credit, that's too cocky, or you know, it's. 98 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, shakes ourselves right. 99 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 6: Well. 100 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 5: And also that's that's kind of like a social stigma 101 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 5: as well. You know, I feel like a lot of people. 102 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 5: I did one video when I when I put them 103 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 5: all up, I did one video and every everyone said, oh, well, 104 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 5: you know, way to toot your own horn and way 105 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 5: to gloat. And I'm like, why can't I be proud 106 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 5: of what I achieved? And it's not cocky to just 107 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 5: say I'm proud of myself. You know, I've been through 108 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 5: a lot of I've had so many surgeries, and my 109 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 5: career has been you know, full of ups and downs, 110 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 5: and yeah, I'm proud of myself for what I achieved. 111 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 5: And I do think it's frustrating when people think that, 112 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 5: you know, I'm arrogant or you know, too confident, and 113 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 5: I don't know, it's not who I am. I'm actually 114 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 5: a pretty shy person. But I don't think it's a 115 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 5: bad thing to, you know, finally recognize what I've achieved 116 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 5: in my life. 117 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 4: But's thus far. 118 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: It ain't bragging if it's true. That's why I tell 119 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: people it's true, right, just say it. And that's you know, 120 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: And that is unfortunate that people look hurt. People hurt people. 121 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: So everybody's hurt nowadays because of social media. So they're 122 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: looking to attack anything any of. 123 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: Us put up. It sucks, you know that that lends 124 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 3: into more of our mental health issues. 125 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: Tell me when in your life you realize you were 126 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: different and as far as different as an athlete, different 127 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: than the rest of. 128 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: Us, what you are. 129 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 5: I was different all the way when I was a kid. 130 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 5: You know, when I was seven years old, I was 131 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 5: going to ski camps, you know, the first couple with 132 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 5: my dad, and then I was just on my own 133 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 5: and everyone looked at me funny, and you know, I 134 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 5: didn't really have a lot of friends. I went to 135 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 5: Europe by myself when I was nine, and I just 136 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 5: I didn't fit in. I you know, I never did anything. 137 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 5: I never went to any parties. I never you know, 138 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 5: I just always was on my own path. And again 139 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 5: I just didn't have any friends because of it, and 140 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 5: I knew I always was different because I was always 141 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 5: driven and I always chose the path to success for 142 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 5: my skiing career, and no one understood that. And even 143 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 5: people that you know, I grew up with and ended 144 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 5: up being racers, you know, they didn't make the same 145 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 5: choices that I did. 146 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 4: And you know, I think it. 147 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 5: Showed definitely in the end. But I've always kind of 148 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 5: walked my own path in that way. 149 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: Did you do that because you knew I have to 150 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: do this to be different? Stand out? Or is it 151 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: more i'be because I am different, I could walk a 152 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 3: different path and everybody. 153 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 5: I chose my path because I really wanted to be 154 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 5: a ski racer. You know, I met my idol when 155 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 5: I was nine years old and a graph signing in 156 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: Minnesota Pekaboo Street, and all I wanted to. 157 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 4: Do from then on was be her. 158 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 5: And you know, whenever there was a decision to be made, 159 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 5: do I go to sleep at eight o'clock or do 160 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 5: I go hang with these kids and do god knows what, 161 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 5: I always said, No, I'm going to go to bed, 162 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 5: And oftentimes I would be in bed, and you know, 163 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 5: my friends would come home at you know, eleven twelve 164 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 5: one am and there's a race the next day, and 165 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 5: guess who won the race, you know. And so I 166 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 5: always saw that whenever I made a sacrifice, it always 167 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 5: paid off. And so that was the reason why I 168 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 5: walked my own path, because I was just committed to 169 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 5: what I was focused on doing, and even if I 170 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 5: wasn't cool, I didn't really care, you know. I just 171 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 5: this is what I wanted to do when I wanted 172 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 5: to be and I didn't listen to anyone else. 173 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 3: When were you happiest in your career? 174 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 5: I mean I think I was happy every day I 175 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 5: was on the mountain. I think when I was, you know, 176 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 5: later in my career, after my injuries, I think every 177 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 5: injury gave me a different perspective, and I think I 178 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 5: appreciated it more and more as time went on. 179 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 4: I never took it for granted because. 180 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 6: I've been injured so many times, and. 181 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 5: Even if I wasn't injured, you know, I crash and 182 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 5: I would know, you know, okay, that could have been 183 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 5: my last run of my life, you know what I mean. 184 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: And so I think ski racing makes you really aware 185 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 5: of how quickly your career could be over. And so 186 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 5: I just always I've always had fun, and I think again, 187 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 5: maybe later in my career I appreciated a little bit 188 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 5: more and I was able to kind of reflect and 189 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 5: you know, enjoy also not just the racing, but the 190 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 5: experience of racing, you know, being in amazing parts of 191 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 5: the world, and you know, trying to experience a little 192 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 5: bit more culture. You know, those things also brought me joy. 193 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 5: But you know, I wouldn't let myself kind of see 194 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 5: those things until I was a little bit older and 195 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 5: achieved enough of what I had set out to do 196 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 5: to be able to, you know, open my blinders a 197 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 5: little bit more. 198 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: Because I come from a different world in the football world, 199 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: in the flight world. 200 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: The fight world may not look like it, but our 201 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 3: whole crew total fear walking down to that cage. It's different. 202 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: If you don't have fear, you're an absolute psychopath. Do 203 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: you have fear up there in your sport when you're 204 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: flying down that mountain? 205 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: No, it's kind of the opposite. 206 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 5: I think if you if you have fear, you're not 207 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 5: able to push yourself as far as you need to 208 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 5: to win. You know, downhill is the unique sport. You know, 209 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 5: you're you're risking a lot. You know, obviously when you're fighting, 210 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 5: you're risking a lot as well, but you have to 211 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 5: be able to, you know, be so on the limit 212 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 5: and not push yourself over. But you always have to 213 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 5: be at that limit. And I think there's a lot 214 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 5: of especially women, that don't agree with me on that topic. 215 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 5: But I've never had fear, and that's one thing that 216 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 5: I think differentiates me is that I love to go fast, 217 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 5: you know, I love the thrill, and and that's one 218 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 5: thing I really miss now in my life is that 219 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 5: I don't have that. There's nothing that's pushing me to 220 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 5: the edge of my limit, you know, with that risk 221 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 5: and adrenaline and a excitement. There's just nothing nothing like 222 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 5: it in the world. 223 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: What victory are you most proud of? 224 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 5: A lot of them, I mean, especially after you know, injuries, 225 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 5: But I think what stands out to me is the 226 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 5: Olympic gold medal because more because of how much that. 227 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: Meant to my family, you know, my family. 228 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 5: I'm the oldest of five kids, and my family sacrificed 229 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 5: a lot to get there, and I felt like that 230 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 5: was kind of the culmination of all of our hard 231 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 5: work that equaled, you know, something that I set out 232 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 5: to do when I was nine years old, you know, 233 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 5: and that's why it was so meaningful to me and 234 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 5: my family. 235 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna shift gears here with you because obviously 236 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: this is a mental health podcast, and I've been open 237 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: that I have, you know, my mental health issues, the 238 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: clinical depression, anxiety, a d D, might as well throwing 239 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: a little bipolar. 240 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: I mean shit, you could probably diagnost me as that 241 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: by now. 242 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: Right, I say, you're probably like, he's tripolar, he's not bipolar. 243 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: What are your mental health issues? How do they feel 244 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 3: for you? 245 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 5: I have depression and I've had it since I was 246 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 5: a teenager, I think, you know, being on the road 247 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 5: and away from any type of support system was really 248 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 5: hard on me and. 249 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: Not having an outlet or anyone to talk to. 250 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 5: You know, I got really good at managing it in 251 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 5: a way that you know, I always didn't tell anyone 252 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 5: about it. And as an athlete, depression I think is 253 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 5: viewed as weakness, and that's not the case at all. 254 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 5: It's you know, something that everyone deals a lot of 255 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 5: people deal with, and it's kind of like I always 256 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 5: feel like it's like an injury, you know, or a 257 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 5: muscle strain, you know, it's something that you have to work. 258 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: On and it's not like it goes away. 259 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 5: You know, it's you know, a lot of people when 260 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 5: I when I start talking about my depression in twenty twelve, 261 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 5: you know, the response was really interesting because no one 262 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 5: was really talking about it at that time, and you know, 263 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 5: everyone's like, oh, how are you feeling today? 264 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 4: Do you want do you want to tile? 265 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 6: And all like like like are you taking your medication today? 266 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 5: Is I can? You know, I'm like, it's not like 267 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 5: I take it to and all every time I feel sad. 268 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 5: You know, that's not That's not how it works. And 269 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 5: you know, I think there's a lot more understanding around 270 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: you know, depression and just mental health in general, which 271 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 5: is amazing. But you know I definitely found ways to 272 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 5: cope with it and you know, to manage it and 273 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 5: you know, to keep it my problem and not you know, 274 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 5: share it with anyone else. 275 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: That's really brave for you to come out then, because 276 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 2: again I was able to hear people like you and 277 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: Terry Bradshaw talked about it before I really came out. 278 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to give it words so more of 279 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 2: us could have the conversation. 280 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: You know, you can lean into somebody. 281 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: And and I had to talk to my son or daughter, 282 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: or husband or wife or mid grandmother reached out saying, 283 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: for the first time in eighty years, now have the 284 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 2: words to tell my husband and kids and grandkids what 285 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: I've been going through. So that's really brave that you 286 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: did it all the way back then. What propelled you 287 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: to do? 288 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: What? 289 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: What what got you to say? You know what, I'm 290 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: gonna come, I'm gonna come out with us. 291 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 5: I mean, it was a time in my in my 292 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 5: life when I was kind of unpacking a lot of 293 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 5: things and cuble tumultuous, you know, with my relationship that ended, 294 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 5: and I felt like it was something that I needed 295 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 5: to get off my shoulders. You know, I felt like 296 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 5: I was carrying this weight around and I was sick 297 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 5: of it. You know, I was sick of feeling like 298 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 5: I didn't have anyone, and you know, I knew a 299 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 5: lot of people that were struggling. 300 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: With it as well. 301 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 5: I mean, a really good friend of mine is the 302 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 5: reason why I even went to a doctor, because you know, 303 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 5: he was like, I think. 304 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 4: This would really help you. 305 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 5: And so for me, it was what I needed personally, 306 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 5: and I think that I the hope was that it 307 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 5: would help others, but the main reason was myself and 308 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 5: just my own journey and how do I become a 309 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 5: better person and in turn, hopefully that will help other 310 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 5: people in their journey as well. 311 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: It's amazing again, you keep it inside. 312 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: I kept it inside for all these You were like, 313 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: physically right, we break our arm, you get a cast, Hey, 314 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 2: everybody signs it. I know. 315 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 5: That's the funny thing is that, like, I think you 316 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 5: are a really shining example of you know, how physically 317 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 5: strong you can be, and you know, nothing phases you. 318 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 4: You can get kicked in the face and you're like, 319 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: all right, do it again, you know. 320 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 5: But you know, mental health is something totally different and 321 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 5: it needs just as much care as you know, again 322 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 5: like physical therapy or you know, rehab from an injury. 323 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 5: You know, it's very, very similar, but no one approaches 324 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 5: it that way. And I think again, like, just because 325 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 5: you're physically strong, or just because you know you're smiling, 326 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 5: you know, on the outside or to your friends, I 327 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 5: mean on the inside, you're not dealing with something. 328 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I thought, man, once I got to where 329 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: I was in my career, at Rainbows and Unicorns and 330 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: and you find out, you know, you're almost not antidepressant. 331 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: A lot of the other things are not antidepressant. You 332 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: got to learn how to love yourself up from the 333 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: inside out. I now, because I've done this journey, now 334 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: I have a lot of tools I could use when 335 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: that beast is coming out of the box. And it 336 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: probably comes out of the box more now than I 337 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: have because I talk about it so much. It's so 338 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: prevalent in my life, which is my choice, so I 339 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: can be of service to people. But now I have 340 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: things I do every morning when these kids out of 341 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: the box later before I go to bed. What are 342 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: some of the practicing tools you use to kind of 343 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: you know, keep your keep the roommates in your head, 344 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: talking nice with each other. 345 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 5: I have to physically exert myself almost every day. You know, 346 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 5: I need that outlet. I need to like recenter and refocus, 347 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 5: just you know, feel confident in myself and you know, 348 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 5: keep those thoughts away. Whenever I'm inactive, things creep in 349 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 5: and you know, it's just a really slippery slope. So 350 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 5: that's one of the reasons why you know, the gym 351 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 5: is so important to me still after retirement. And one 352 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 5: thing that always helped me keep it at bay. 353 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: When I was. 354 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 5: Racing, was that I was racing, you know, I had 355 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 5: I felt like honesty. Ski Racing was always my therapist, 356 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 5: right and you know when I was when I was 357 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 5: in the starting, it was always the most peaceful and 358 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 5: clear headed and happy that I was me? 359 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 4: And day is that the same? You know? And you 360 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: fight or like what do you what do you do 361 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: to help? 362 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? 363 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: No, I so I need a team. So that's why 364 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, look, I'm going for another back clean up. 365 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: What I gotta get cleaned up? Why? 366 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: How are you shaming me for that? You are you 367 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: kidding me? 368 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 6: Just now I know where to send my Ben and 369 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 6: Jerry's thank you. 370 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: I'm just getting little clean out again. 371 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: And then but Friday, I went and wrestled this football player. 372 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: Eric Wilson trained him and the other guys named gym 373 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: are like, what the fuck are you doing? 374 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: But my main head coach over there, Jason Boorby, He's like, 375 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: now you're you're doing what you have to do. Like 376 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: I when I'm not around those guys and I'm not 377 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: able to you know, have that fight team if you will. 378 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: The roomans my head, do not talk nice to each other. 379 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: But what I've had to do as a result too 380 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: is figure out other ways of having teams, you know. 381 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: Not just that. 382 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: So now I when I'm having bad days, I call 383 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: four people to tell him I'm struggling. Our friend the 384 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: Rock is one of them who literally stops everything when. 385 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, it's one of those days. 386 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: Strayands one now, which I never did until came out 387 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: with this book. So even though I wrote about it, 388 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 2: we never talked vulnerable like this until one night I 389 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 2: was like, fuck, I can't go out tonight, and he 390 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: was like wow, And I just told him for the 391 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: first time, and he's like, why have you never told me? 392 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: Like I could have been there a for you as 393 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: your best friend for thirty years. I'm like, I don't 394 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: make at the rules of this shit. 395 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: You know, with you, I feel change what it is. 396 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 4: Exactly. 397 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: But you also have seen our dynamic. We constantly get 398 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: on each other. So it was like right like there 399 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: was like shame with him, But then his reaction was like, 400 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: but I could have been there for thirty years. So 401 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: now I know, call like four people and tell him, 402 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: and then I'll call four other people just to check 403 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: up on them. And not tell them what's happening with me. 404 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 2: And that's my way of being of service. And that's 405 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: my way is still having you know, a team around 406 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: me without having to go in a cage and have 407 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: Brandon Coturet, you know, tear my head off. 408 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's solid. 409 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 5: And I'm still really bad at a sharing and communicating 410 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 5: and like I'll just kind of go silent and coop 411 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 5: myself up and and then you know, people are like, 412 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 5: what is going on? I know it's so bad. You know, 413 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 5: It's like, I try to stay around people. I have 414 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 5: a really great tendency of hibernating, and you know, it's 415 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 5: it's nice in the mountains to do that, but then 416 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 5: that again, that's a bad place for me to be. 417 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 5: So I do have people that notice it. And then 418 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 5: I also have my therapist, doctor Mondo, that I always 419 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 5: call if I need I need him. But I still 420 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 5: have a hard time sharing because I feel like, you know, 421 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 5: I like telling my story because I think that I 422 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 5: hope that it helps other people share their story. But 423 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 5: I still have a hard time communicating when I'm having 424 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 5: a hard time. 425 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: Well, since I understand you, why don't we change. 426 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 5: All, right? 427 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: Reach out to me? And be like, that's see, IM 428 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 3: fucking have one of those dark days. 429 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: All right, I'll do it. 430 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 3: That's me because that lists me up. 431 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 2: Also, that helps me, you know, I'm able to be 432 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: there for you and that's what we have to do. 433 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: And that's what like, I think we're in the majority, Lenz, 434 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: I don't think we're. 435 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: In the minority. 436 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: Oh, We're for sure in the majority. 437 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 5: And that's the funny part is that you know, it's 438 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 5: like there's this huge stigma and you know, everyone thinks 439 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 5: that this bad thing is like everyone is dealing with it, 440 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 5: whether you want to admit it to yourself or not, 441 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 5: especially after COVID. 442 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 4: Right, And I think COVID was kind of. 443 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 5: An eye opener for a lot of people because I 444 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 5: think they were able to hide things maybe to themselves 445 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 5: and to others, you know that what they were struggling with, 446 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 5: but it, you know, became very clear for pretty much everyone, 447 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 5: you know, when COVID hit that, you know, there's things 448 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 5: that need to be addressed. And I think that it 449 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 5: made everyone more empathetic because we all have issues, you know, 450 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 5: we all have struggles, and it's a matter of supporting 451 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 5: each other. That's the only way that we get through it. 452 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: And I think the more we show people we're in 453 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 2: the majority, the more people will be comfortable coming out 454 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: talking about it and leaning into each other. And you know, 455 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: I go and speak to these sports teams, I'm like, look, 456 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: there's just not the therapist out there for us yet. 457 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: You have to do each other's therapists and lead into 458 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: each other. And that's where somebody like you and someone 459 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: like myself could really help, I think, lead this next generation. 460 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: I'm hoping. 461 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. 462 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 5: I also when I'm you know, like I said, I'm 463 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 5: bad at communicating, I do journal a lot, and that's 464 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 5: kind of my way of like working through things if 465 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 5: I if I don't have someone that I can talk to. 466 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 5: Before I had doctor Mondo, I was always journaling. I've 467 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 5: been journaling since I was like ten, but I didn't 468 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 5: really realize, you know, how helpful it was until you 469 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 5: know later. But that's my process of like what am 470 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 5: I dealing with? You know, what can I do to 471 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 5: make myself feel better? And even just the press of 472 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 5: writing it down and acknowledging what I'm going through is helpful. 473 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: I just started it. I learned it. 474 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 4: Really, yeah, and I learned it well. 475 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 6: The book is. 476 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 5: Honestly, it's a way of journaling as well, so to 477 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 5: be honest. 478 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: So the book comes out and this year again I 479 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: have an anxiety attack, and I talk about in the book. 480 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: Every time I've been on TVs from two thousand and 481 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: five to now, we even like scriptive stuff. So it 482 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: became like it just became habitual. And this year, first 483 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: show I didn't have one a Fox and Uvil Sunday, 484 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: and then the second show, I didn't have a third show, 485 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: and I was like what. I was talking to Lane 486 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 2: Johnson from the Eagles, who had he had his own 487 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: issue and left the team, and he started talking about 488 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: how journaling was helping him, and I was like, oh, wait, 489 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: hold on a second, I haven't had anxiet attack these 490 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: first three weeks. Wait, maybe yes, journaling for me, maybe 491 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: this has helped me. So I started as a result 492 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: exactly what you're said. I started as a result of that. 493 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: It was huge and now thank you, Bud. And now 494 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: every day also I journal a wake up in the 495 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: morning and write down ten things I'm grateful for that happened. 496 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 3: The previous day. 497 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had this. 498 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 5: There's actually a journal that says like it's kind of 499 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 5: the three things I'm grateful for, you know, my three 500 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 5: goals for the day. 501 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: And I used to do that at night. 502 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 5: But then then it really got my brain going, and 503 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 5: then I had a heart I have a really hard 504 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 5: time sleeping, and so that did not help. So I 505 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 5: instead of like, if I do the grateful nice exercise, 506 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 5: I'll do it in the morning and then at night, 507 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 5: I'll do my regular journaling, which is helpful. 508 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: Okay, I love that. Oh that's yeah, that's actually good 509 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: because I kind of lump them together. I'm going to 510 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 2: try that. I'm gonna start doing that. Hey, a couple 511 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: more things before I let you go, A I want 512 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: you talk about your foundation. 513 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 5: So I have a foundation I started in twenty fifteen, 514 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 5: and we try to empower underserved girls through scholarships and programs. 515 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 5: It's been one of the most rewarding things that I've 516 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 5: done in my life. We've helped girls who you know, 517 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 5: struggled a lot with self confidence that they do self harm, 518 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 5: and you know, we've brought them through these camps and 519 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 5: they've all seen a huge change, especially their parents and 520 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 5: their self confidence levels. And then we also obviously do scholarships, 521 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 5: which you know, since COVID has been kind of the 522 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 5: majority of what we've been doing, with fifty percent sports 523 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 5: based scholarships and fifty percent educational based scholarships. So I'm 524 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 5: just trying to, you know, empower the next generation. And 525 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 5: it has nothing to do with skiing. It just has 526 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 5: to do with, you know, telling girls that they can 527 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 5: be whatever they dream of becoming. 528 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 3: This is not just for athletes, right, We're. 529 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 4: All, no, No, It's for anyone. 530 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I have an aeronautical engineer who got a scholarship, 531 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 5: you know so, and she is a boss. You know, 532 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 5: She's like this fourteen year old boss who wants to, 533 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 5: you know, work for NASA, and I'm like, yes, I 534 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 5: will help you. 535 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: I love that. Now here's the thing. I just moved 536 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: here to Malibu. 537 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: So my old house I had the bookshell Shop and 538 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: Rise was right there behind my shoulder. But now I 539 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: just got a Jakie set up over here because I 540 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: haven't put a books shell Shot. 541 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: Tell everybody about your book. 542 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 4: Thanks. 543 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 5: It's just really about you know, sharing my experiences in life. 544 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 5: It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with skiing, but 545 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 5: I mean there is a lot of skiing in there. 546 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 4: But mainly it does. 547 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 5: But the more of, but the more of all my 548 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 5: stories are inspirational stories and how I've overcome things, and 549 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 5: you know what I've experienced, and more on the emotional 550 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 5: side than you know. It's not about you know, what 551 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: I've wanted or how I got there. It's you know, 552 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 5: really about what I've overcome and how I got through it, 553 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 5: and you know what I've experienced in my twenty year 554 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 5: of professional skiing life. 555 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: By the way, do you remember our first dinner. I 556 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 3: said to you, Ahi, let's let's go over a surgery. 557 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: How many surgers you have? And because I was like, hey, 558 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 3: you gotta be friut of your cars? How many surgeries 559 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: you have? And you said, I don't know. 560 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 5: I don't. 561 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: I only count the big ones. 562 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I think you said like fourteen or something. 563 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but if I count all the times I've 564 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 5: been cut open, yeah, yeah, but I don't. 565 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 4: I don't generally. 566 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 2: Count in that, but you should because those are things 567 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 2: you still overcame. I can't be there's no major in 568 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: mind where somebody does cuts into your body. Your body 569 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: changes forever. 570 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 4: It's never gonna be yeah right, yeah, So. 571 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 2: Let's not discount so Lindsay says fourteen, and I just 572 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: was like, fuck, I wasn't expecting that, So I said seventeen. 573 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: She said what, and then straight ahead immediately said you 574 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 3: open that fucking seventeen surgeries just. 575 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 6: Pull got a first. 576 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. 577 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: But you got to be proud of your scars. And 578 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: that's I think a huge thing for everybody. Do you 579 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: look at your scars now as a badge of honor? 580 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: Do you look at them? Are you able to if 581 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 2: things may have overcome this to have my dreams come true? 582 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 5: I mean, I honestly don't notice them anymore because they're 583 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 5: just a part of me. You know, that's my story, 584 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 5: that's you know, how I got me where I am. Yeah, 585 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 5: I mean I think I always made very sure when 586 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 5: I went to surgery, I said, listen, guys, I are 587 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 5: not f uppy scars because they're big and I don't 588 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 5: I don't want to look crazy, and uh and they did. 589 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 5: They always did a really good job. They're like, you know, 590 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 5: I spent nextra thirty minutes making this scar look good. 591 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 5: I'm like, thank you very much. I very much appreciate it. 592 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 5: But yeah, they just that's a part of me. It's 593 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 5: a part of my life. And you know, there's no 594 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 5: not enough mederma in the world to make my scar 595 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 5: looks better. 596 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 4: But you know that's I'm proud of it. 597 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 5: I you know again, I'm stronger because of what I've 598 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 5: been through. 599 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: So it makes your beautiful gangster. 600 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: And it's also I now try and tell teams and 601 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: athletic trainers and when you have a player comes in, 602 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: let's say it's an. 603 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 3: ACL, don't just ask them, hey, how you doing? Like 604 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 3: they're not doing good? No, so don't just throw it away. 605 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: Hey, really find out how they're doing that you can 606 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: help them as they're coming off this you know, year 607 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: long thing with when you're not able to. 608 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 3: Do the thing that you love. 609 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 5: I think especially in team sports, but generally whenever your 610 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 5: professional athlete and you get injured, the phone stops ringing. 611 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 5: People don't care anymore how you're doing because you're not 612 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 5: winning at something. And I think that's the hardest thing 613 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 5: to kind of overcome, is that you're surrounded by this 614 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 5: great team and then the second you get injured, you're 615 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 5: by yourself. You know, it's is it your family? 616 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 4: You know, do you have a pet? There might be 617 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 4: you know a friend or two, but. 618 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 5: You know, the the numbers aren't big, and so I 619 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 5: think making sure and checking in on athletes that are 620 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 5: injured is it's such a means so much. You know, 621 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 5: it's such a big deal. But everyone overlooks it because 622 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 5: they're like, eh, you know, they're taking care of the injury, 623 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 5: like they'll be fine, they'll be back here in a year. 624 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 4: But your is a really long time. 625 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 5: When you're learning how to walk again and you're own crutches, 626 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 5: like is no joke. So check in on your friends 627 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 5: that are injured. It makes a big difference. 628 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: A week is a big deal because again you're you're right, 629 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: you get like the NFL, you get hey, you put 630 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: to the side over here, or fighting. 631 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: You're not there right now. 632 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 4: You're put over here. 633 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 3: If you go rehab and the rest of us go practice. 634 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: And that's lonely. 635 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: And I don't think anyone's ever taken care of or 636 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 2: even started to think about, hey, maybe we got to 637 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: take care of these athletes mental health while we're rehaving 638 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: them physically as well. Last question here for you is 639 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: when I ask all my guests your final question, give 640 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: me your own breakable moment, the thing that should have 641 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: broken you and didn't, and as a result, you came 642 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: to the other side of that tunnel longer. 643 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: For the rest of your life. 644 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 5: I mean, Jay, that list is really long. There's been 645 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 5: many unbreakable moments. I think probably my second when I 646 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 5: blew out my knee in twenty thirteen acl MCL to 647 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 5: be a plateau fracture, and then ten months later I 648 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 5: did it again, just no MCL, and basically the entire 649 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 5: world wrote me off and it almost broke me. It 650 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 5: was close, probably one of the hardest times of my life, 651 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 5: but I crawled my way out. I learned how to 652 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 5: walk again, I learned how to didn't run. Running was 653 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 5: out of the question. But I won my second race 654 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 5: back and that was basically two years of being out 655 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 5: of competition, and that was probably one of my proudest moments. 656 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 5: I cried like a little baby, and I guarantee you 657 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 5: that no one else would have been able to do. 658 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 4: What I did. 659 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: I love that You're about to make me cry, but 660 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: that's okay. I'm secure with my manhood. 661 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you are as you should be. 662 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: Well, that is incredible. Just take me real quick before 663 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: I do. Let you go. When you did win that 664 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: take me behind your eyes, like behind your ribcage. How 665 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: how did that feel like? For those of us will 666 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: never experienced that. 667 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 5: I mean, it's like I took when I crossed the 668 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 5: finish line and saw number one, I let out similar 669 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 5: to what I did at the Olympics in twenty ten, 670 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 5: just this like scream from my gut, you know, from 671 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 5: so deep within me, and it just was like let 672 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 5: it all out. 673 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 4: You know. 674 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 5: It was so much hard work, so much sweat, so 675 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 5: many tears, and I just kind of like emotionally imploded. 676 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: And it felt so good. 677 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: You know, it felt so good to let it out, 678 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 5: and you know, to just acknowledge what I've been through 679 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 5: and know that I'd come out on top despite it all. 680 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: And you know, my. 681 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 6: Team was crying, everyone was crying. 682 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 5: And it was one of the most amazing experiences, second 683 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 5: only to the Olympics, but a lot harder. 684 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 4: To do than the Olympics, to be honest, amazing. 685 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: Listen, Lindsa, I appreciate your time. You're amazing in so 686 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: many ways. But I'm most proud that you're my bestie. 687 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 4: Thanks bestie. I'm proud that you're my bestie too. 688 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: Thank you. 689 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: And now you're gonna start calling me right when you're 690 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: going through those dark days. Good and welcome to lends 691 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: you Bob, Thank you for joining us 692 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 3: Here on the Unbreakable Mental Health podcast.