1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: All right, hour two, Flying through it, Greg Cosel, It's 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: going to be joining us in a couple of minutes. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 1: Joint practices never been bigger. I just so we were 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: talking during the break. The Milwaukee Brewers are on fire. 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: If you look at the last eleven years in Major 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: League Baseball, the Royals of won World Series, the Yankees 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and the Mets. At not is that when you get 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: money involved, everybody freaks out. So everybody, you know, we 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: all know that college sports and individual sports, I mean 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: tennis was dominated globally by four people for twenty years, Serena, Williams, Federer, 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Djokovic and it all like they dominated tennis for twenty years. 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: The reality is some people are more talented, more aspirational, 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: more driven, more obsessed. Brady and Mahomes, Belichick, Andy, we'd 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: have dominated the NFL, and they have a hard cap. 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Baseball doesn't. They have a real floor. But there's a 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: bottom of college sports, bottom of the NBA. I mean, 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: the Bears have been Bears, have never had a four 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: thousand yard passer. They've got poor ownership like they and 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: that's a big city. We don't have a problem if 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: the Giants or a Washington DC team or a Chicago 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: team struggle, But if Cincinnati struggles or Baltimore struggles, Oh, 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: that is not fair. The NFL is dominated by small markets. Man, 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: A lot of people think the Brewers are going to 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: win the World Series. I mean they how many baseball 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: managers are you could run for governor? I mean, I 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: mean Dave Roberts. They're furious with him in La Pat 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Murphy they love so this constant fear of uhh. I 35 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: mean I remember when Barry Switzer took over Wisconsin. Wisconsin 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: was a god awful football program. He ended up going 37 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: to three Rose Bowls and going three and oh it 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: was the same state, mostly the same stadium. I mean, 39 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: how did he do it? So? I mean Barry Alvarez, 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: I mean there was one guy that coached Kansas State, 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: Bill Snyder football forever they were awful. Bill Snyder made 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: him great, he left, they were awful again. Another they're 43 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, Kansas football has been in my 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: entire life a laughing stock. Then they get this Lance 45 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: Leopold guy. Overnight they're good. So I don't worry about 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: small markets or downtrodden program. Milwaukeet didn't have a ton 47 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: of money, but it's a great place to work. There 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: are in das successful the minor league system. They got 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: a manager. It's just so much fearmund baseball has no 50 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: salary cap. The Mets, the Yankees, and the Dodgers are 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: all in the first place. The Dodgers just got swept. 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: The Brewers by the way, went six, and oh again 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: it's the Dodgers this year. Oh, the world's ending. Baseball's 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: in a great spot. And the Tigers finally for the 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: first time ever, great brand. The Tigers are now great. 56 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: With that. Greg Cosel forty six years NFL films doing this. Okay, 57 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: my guy, Shador Sanders, boy, the PFF grade had him 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: just knocking it out of the park. I will say 59 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: this about Shador. When I watched the game, Greg, I 60 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: do think he moves better than you know what you 61 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: said this last week. Bon Nicks moves better than people 62 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: give him credit for, and it just he just does. 63 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: I think Shadur's movement is pretty good. It's not bon Nicks. 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: But what did you make of his Chadur's overall performance 65 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: last Friday. 66 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: I thought he did more good things than bad things. 67 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: To me, the movement was more critical when it came 68 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: to pocket movement. That second touchdown he threw, I thought 69 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: it was a really good example where he moved to 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: its right in reaction to the blitz pressure. And what 71 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: I really liked was the way he reset his throwing platform, 72 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: reset his feet, and then delivered the ball at the 73 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: front of the end zone. You see it right here. 74 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: You want to throw low at the front of the 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: end zone. I thought that was a really good play. 76 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: I think one of the things that he'll need to 77 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: work on because you don't see this a lot in 78 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: college football column, and there were a number of plays 79 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: like this, and I guarantee that the organization saw this 80 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: is he's not a naturally anticipatory thrower, and there were 81 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 3: a couple of throws that he clearly left on the 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: field that require anticipation, and that's something he'll have to 83 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: improve if he's to become a quality NFL starting quarterback, 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: because yes, he moved better. But I think you and 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 3: I both agree if he's to become a quality starter, 86 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: his game is not going to be built on a 87 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: playmaking dimension. It's going to be built on his ability 88 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 3: to play from the pocket. But that was more good 89 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: than bad, certainly in his performance. 90 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: So I've argued that that if Jackson Dart ends up 91 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: being really good, the Giants have a number one receiver, 92 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: a very good left tackle, an offensive coach, and a 93 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: tremendous defensive front. Abdul Carter and very few snaps has 94 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: looked dominant. So my take is, if Jackson Dark can play, 95 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: I think they're an interesting team. Here's my argument why 96 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: he should three years with Lane Kiffen. Forty one college 97 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: starts in the toughest defensive conference lane could coach in 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: the NFL today, my take is I don't want to 99 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: hear about well, you know, he's young, forty one starts 100 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: in the SEC for Lane Kiffen. You watch the game, 101 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: you watch the film. I thought, is he an anticipatory thrower? 102 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: I thought he looked good. 103 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 104 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: The issue that none of us know is what happens 105 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: on a daily basis. You know, we sit and watch 106 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: the games and we see some good play, some bad plays. 107 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: We just see the touchdown, which was a really good 108 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: play by the way, because he saw the safety rotation 109 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: pre snap and he's signaled to Humphrey on the outside 110 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: to change his route, to convert his route to a fade. 111 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: And that was a really good play by Dart, a 112 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: mental play, and that's what you want to see from 113 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: young quarterbacks. 114 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: It's not so much the. 115 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: Physical They all have physical ability, but you know, Dart, 116 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: You're right, he has a ton of college experience. You 117 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: know again, to me, we're not there every day. I 118 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 3: personally would look to Dart, assuming he's done well throughout camp, 119 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 3: I would look to him as the starter, but we 120 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: don't know how that will play out. You're right about 121 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: their defensive front. They've got a really good defensive front. 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence will be back, so we'll see. But you know, again, Dart, 123 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: there were some really good plays and what you would expect, 124 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: a couple of plays that I'm sure he'd like to 125 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: have back. 126 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: So cam Ward maybe the quietest number one quarterback pick 127 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. Part of that is the 128 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: Titans are not a big brand. He's a quiet kid. 129 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: He's really easy to root for. Like Lamar Jackson, he 130 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: wants to win. It's all about football. His teammates like him. 131 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: They don't have much on the perimeter to help him. 132 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: So I don't look at him. I'm not going to 133 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: look at him this year and go, well, they went 134 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: eight to nine. It's listen. The kid has very little 135 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: to work with. We got to contextualize this. He had 136 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: an eleven play drive. Did you see anything with cam 137 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: the tempo, the accuracy, the movement, what did you see? 138 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: Well, I've been around cam Ward because I was down 139 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: at Titan's training cam and he is a very impressive kid. 140 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: And I got a chance to talk to him, and 141 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: one thing that really stood out to me, just to 142 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: tell a quick anecdote, when I met him. Fortunately, I 143 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: was set up beautifully by the organization as someone he 144 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: should talk to. And the first thing he said to me, 145 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: and I thought this was really impressive. 146 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 4: Colin, you just met me. 147 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: But I was set up beautifully and he said to me, Okay, 148 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: so what do I need to work on? I thought 149 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: that was really impressive. He just met me, but he's 150 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: very impressive in person. Now again his performance there was 151 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: a third and five on the first series where he 152 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: went through his read too fast. Okay, that's something you 153 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: expect to see. But he throws a really good ball. 154 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: He's an impressive kid. You're right about the team. There's 155 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: really good give and take between he and Jeffrey Simmons, 156 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: because Jeffrey Simmons knows that if they're to get to 157 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: the Promised Land, it's going to be because of cam Ward. 158 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: I would expect that he'll be a good player. 159 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 5: Now. 160 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: The thing is early in the season, they open at Denver, 161 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 3: they're home to the Rams. 162 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: Then week four they're at Houston. 163 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: You know, this could be a tough start simply because 164 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: the Titans have some holes on their team that need to. 165 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: Be dealt with, and they may not be dealt with 166 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 4: year one. 167 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: So I think people are gonna have to be a 168 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: little patient simply because the team is not quite good 169 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 3: enough at this point. 170 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 171 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: I agree, you know. I speaking of Denver, I saw 172 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: her bon Knicks. They do this Mike Sando does this 173 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Quarterback Tiers thing where he talks to fifty shams. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 174 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: And my only complaint was, I said, you know, bo 175 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: Nicks below twa. He's a better runner, he's healthier. I 176 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: think he's got at least as good an arm, maybe better. 177 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: But whatever, we don't know a ton about bo Nicks. 178 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: When I saw it, when I saw him ranked twenty, 179 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: It's my take was it was telling me that executives 180 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: in the league think very highly of Sean Payton, that 181 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: he's squeezing every ounce of talent out of this. Do 182 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: you believe the bow Knicks success is mostly at this 183 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: point Sean Payton. 184 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I've always struggled with that. 185 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: Colin. 186 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: There seems to be a sense that if a quarterback 187 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: is well coached, with a really good coordinator and a 188 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: really good scheme and a well designed system, that's somehow 189 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: a knock on the quarterback. I don't really understand that, 190 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 3: because that's kind of what the coach is supposed to do. 191 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 3: You know, I and I think that Bo Nicks showed 192 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: a lot last year with the kinds of throws that 193 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 3: he made. I mean, he made a lot of time 194 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 3: throws between the numbers. He showed more arm strength, quite honestly, 195 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: than I thought he had coming out of Oregon. I mean, 196 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: you couldn't make the same argument. You know, I've spent 197 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: a lot of this offseason rewatching a lot of quarterbacks 198 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: because I can really do that. I can watch two 199 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty plays in a row, which I can't 200 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: really do during the season. I've just done that with 201 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels, and I think Cliff Kingsbury does an outstanding 202 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: job with his route design, really presenting clean, defined reads 203 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: for Jaden Daniels. Is that a knock on Jayden Daniels. 204 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: Are we supposed to say Jaden Daniels isn't very good 205 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: because the offensive coordinator does a really good job with 206 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: his route concepts. Are we supposed to say Jared Goff 207 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: isn't any good because Ben Johnson's really good with his 208 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: route spacing and cleanly defining reeds. I mean, are we 209 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: supposed to say Joe Montana wasn't any good because Bill 210 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: Walsh was really good? I think that's such a silly argument. 211 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what the offensive coordinator is supposed to do. 212 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: He's supposed to present it so that ideally the first 213 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: read is clean and then you work through progression concepts. 214 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: So I don't really understand why that's a problem. 215 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: So in that tier one through five that Mike Sando 216 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: Athleta at the Athletic did, there were a couple of 217 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: quotes about Caleb Williams and a defensive coordinator said it 218 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: was alarming to watch his processes. A head coach said it. 219 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: That word was used more than once. So you have 220 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: said that you love me Stocky. He's strong, he's a 221 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: power thrower. When you when they say his process is 222 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: alarming and you've watched the same film, what do they 223 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: mean by. 224 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: That, Well, that means he's not seeing the field with 225 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: the needed clarity. In other words, when you can see 226 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: the route concepts. I've been doing this for a lot 227 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: of years, Colin. As you know, there's not a thousand 228 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: route concepts. So I see the route concepts versus specific coverages, 229 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: and when you see it depends on the nature of 230 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: the falllosophy of an offense. There's a lot of different 231 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 3: ways routes are taught. There's something called pure progression, where 232 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 3: you're not really worried about the defense. There's a primary, 233 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 3: there's a secondary. When the quarterback drops back, he looks 234 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: to the primary. If it's not there, it doesn't matter 235 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: what the defense is you just go to the next guy. 236 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: Then there's other systems where you're actually reading the defense. 237 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 3: You're reading whether it's a single high or two shell, 238 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: or you're reading a particular defender to decide where you 239 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 3: throw the ball. So there's different ways that past game 240 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: is taught. But what they're saying about Williams is he's 241 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: not seeing that particularly clearly at all. So throws that 242 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: are there where the ball should be released, he's just 243 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 3: not seeing it the right way. So he's holding the ball. 244 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: He's not getting a clear picture. 245 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: You know. 246 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: The term that's always used is processing. He's not processing 247 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: it the right way, and that's one reason why he 248 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 3: holds the ball. 249 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: The film shows that. 250 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting is that has always been my knock 251 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: on Zach Wilson and justin fields. They've never gotten great 252 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: at it. I mean, you can absolutely make a quarterback 253 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: more accurate. Not all Anthony Richardson has regressed. But there 254 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: are things in I don't care if it's broadcasting, I 255 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: don't care if it's in any business. There are things 256 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: that are solvable, But one of the ones that doesn't 257 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: seem to be terribly solvable is he doesn't see the 258 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: field well, like Mahomes. 259 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: It's a great point. 260 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's solvable. You tell me somebody 261 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: that didn't see the field and a year later did. 262 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great it's a great point, and I 263 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: would say the majority of coaches think that's tough to solve. 264 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 4: And I'll answer it this way. 265 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: You can help a quarterback in normal down in distant 266 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: situations where the defense is a little more predictive in 267 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: what they do, the probability and tendencies tend to favor 268 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 3: the offense more than the defense. So you can help 269 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 3: a quarterback with your play calling on first and ten, 270 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 3: second and four, maybe third and three. 271 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 4: But when you start getting into. 272 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: A long yardage, pure pass situations, whether it's second and nine, 273 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: third and nine, now the defense very often has the 274 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: tactical advantage and the quarterback has to be able to 275 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 3: see things really quickly and really really clearly, and at 276 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: some point, if that can't happen, then you're going to 277 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: have a quarterback that's very inconsistent and erratic in his performance. 278 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: And I don't think we could say one hundred percent 279 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 3: for sure that Caleb Williams can't do that. He's only 280 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: going into a second year and he's with a brand 281 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: new coordinator. I mean Ben Johnson's essentially the coordinator. So 282 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: we want to wait and see on that. But if 283 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: that starts to show up more and more, then at 284 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: some point you might say that that's not solvable. 285 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Patrick Mahomes wins a lot of games 286 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: and they're not going to go eleven to zero one 287 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: score games. But he didn't have a great year. He 288 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: had bad games, he had bad halves, he had really 289 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: bad series. He had a bad Super Bowl. Some of 290 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: it was lack of offensive line time competency. Sure, when you 291 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: looked at mahomes struggles last year, did he develop bad habits, 292 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: was he relying too much on certain things? Did he 293 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: trust his own line? Patrick Mahomes didn't get poor, he 294 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: didn't get bad, but he didn't play necessarily well. What 295 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: did the film say on his regression, not winning regression, 296 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: but his mechanics or his performance. 297 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you say that because every year, and 298 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: I've had this conversation with people in Kansas City, every 299 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: year he does go through that where he starts to 300 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: lose his mechanics because that's sort of the way he 301 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: naturally plays going back to Texas Tech. You know, he's 302 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: that kind of player where he starts to drift, he 303 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: starts to lose his mechanics, and then they have to 304 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: sort of rein him in and get him back on track. 305 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: But last year, and I think because he just did 306 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: not have confidence. And he would never say this publicly 307 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 3: because he's a class act, but I think because he 308 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: just didn't feel comfortable with that old line. I think 309 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: it took a little longer for him to get his 310 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: mechanics back, and he didn't play with the same precision 311 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: throughout the course of the season that we normally see. 312 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: But you're right, it's not as if he's suddenly not 313 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: a good quarterback. It's just that he has to be 314 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: rained in at times. And I think the O line 315 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: last year caust some issues for him, caused a lack 316 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: of confidence, caused him not to play from the pocket 317 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: with the same and I'll use the word precision again, 318 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: the same kind of precision that we've seen in the past. 319 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: But it's not as if his traits or his talent 320 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: level has dropped. 321 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: Finally, we'll go back to one of the young guys. 322 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: And this has kind of been a theory of mine 323 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: for years is that you would think, right that the 324 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the NFL would all be from power schools. 325 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: They are five star high school guys. They go to Texas, Bama, 326 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State, Notre Dame, and then they all go to 327 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. But if you look at the history of 328 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: the NFL, they've often gone to cow and North Carolina 329 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: State and Miami of Ohio and Texas Tech and Wyoming, 330 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: because that is preparing you for the NFL. Shaky old 331 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: lines have to carry, teams have to make quicker decisions. 332 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: You don't get comfortable windows. So I do think as 333 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: the rest of us go to college to prepare us 334 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: for our work, it's the same in the NFL. You 335 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: think Ohio State would be better for you, but you 336 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: are very rarely in discomfort with Ohio State's receivers in online. 337 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: So when I look at JJ McCarthy, he never threw 338 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: forty times a game. He always played with the lead, 339 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: he had great protection, And I've said I worry that 340 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: it's like these Alabama quarterbacks. He's not ready for the NFL. 341 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: Then he gets hurt and that sets him back another year. 342 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: So I do think the choice college kids make often 343 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily. I mean, Matt Ryan goes to a school 344 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: where he's going to throw guys open, he has to 345 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: be anticipatory because nobody's wide open. What do you see 346 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: with that? Is there anything about JJ McCarthy that you 347 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: worry that he's just not quite ready for this life 348 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: of somewhat duress and discomfort in the NFL? 349 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm not sure we know that. 350 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I think you and I would both agree 351 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: that Kevin O'Connell is really really good in terms of 352 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: defining reads and throws for the quarterback. Look what he 353 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: did with Sam Darnold last year. So you know that 354 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: remains to be seen, but I imagine there'll be a 355 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: learning curve for JJ McCarthy. Obviously in college he did 356 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: not throw the ball a lot. But he's got a 357 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: good arm, a plus arm. He's got mobility, he's got traits. 358 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 3: He's a good sized kid, so there are. 359 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 4: Traits that are there. 360 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 3: I mean, even last year when he played in the 361 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: first preseason game and then he was done for the year, 362 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 3: I noticed an immediate difference in his drop and set 363 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 3: in the pocket from when I watched him at Michigan, 364 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: So I know, so Obviously, Kevin O'Connell through the off 365 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 3: season as a rookie really worked with him and really 366 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: tightened him up in a lot of areas. 367 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: So you have to assume that that continued. 368 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 3: But now once you get into the regular season games, 369 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: we'll see he'll be under a lot of pressure. 370 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: They'll be duressed. 371 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: They've revamped their offensive line that often takes time to 372 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 3: come together, so we'll see. You never know the answer 373 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: to that question. Then it depends on how the games 374 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 3: are played. Is he going to be in games where 375 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: he has to drop back forty times? Can the team 376 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: be good enough Colin where he only has to drop 377 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 3: back twenty five times? You know, there are so many variables. 378 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: It's not very often for a young quarterback. It's not 379 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: solely dependent on the young quarterback. It's the way in 380 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 3: which he's able to play based on the rest of 381 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 3: the team. 382 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would argue he's got a top three left tackle, 383 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: a top two receiver, and a top three offensive head coach. 384 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: They rebambio line, and he may have a degree. He 385 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: may have the best defensive coordinator in the sport. So 386 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: the truth is, before the season starts, he got the 387 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: keys to a really nice car. He's not going to 388 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: have to win by question. Yeah, yeah, And I always 389 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: have with brock Purty. If you look at brock Purty 390 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: in his first twenty one starts, when the team was 391 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: younger and less expensive, well, he was good. His last 392 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: fifteen starts, he's he's like six and nine or nine 393 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: and six, and his passer writing has dropped because now 394 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: the Niners are old and they've had to let Hafungo 395 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: go and greet and the defense isn't as good and 396 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: he has to throw more. So like brock Purty's opening 397 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: into the NFL was like Dax, there's a lot of comfort. 398 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: Zeke oh Line was great, Dez Bryant was a touchdown machine. 399 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: So I think JJ, here's my hunch is that JJ McCarthy, 400 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: like brock Purty, will be able to engineer a wildly 401 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: smart and talented offense. They'll be good. I think when 402 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: you draft him that high, you want great, but he 403 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: should be at least capable. Is that right? 404 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: But you make an interesting point. 405 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 3: Is brock Purty's talent any different than it was a 406 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: year a year and a half ago. No, there's other 407 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: factors that are involved. And with ninety nine point nine 408 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 3: percent of quarterbacks. Those other factors often dictate, you know, 409 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: how a quarterback plays, or certainly how he's perceived. You know, 410 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 3: he hasn't changed in his traits. It's just that there 411 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: are other factors that impact how he plays and how 412 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: how the games turn out. And of course all we 413 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: do is look at wins and losses and then we 414 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 3: decide that that's what a quarterback is. 415 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: Right, Great stuff, Greg co sell Azols my man, appreciate. 416 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 4: It, Thanks, Kylen, really appreciate it. 417 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 418 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest about CJ. Stroug's rookie year. 419 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: He had Laramie Tunzel and they ended up hitting on 420 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 1: a couple of mid round wide receivers, and he had 421 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: Bobby Slowick at the time was like a hot coordinator. 422 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: And so generally rookie quarterbacks mean, Herbert had a great 423 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: rookie season in terms of he had Shane Stiken. You know, 424 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: he had Keenan Allen. So you got it for a 425 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback to work, you got to give him something. 426 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy has a top two receiver, maybe number one, 427 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: a top two three left tackle maybe number one, a 428 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: top two or three offensive head coach, That is a 429 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: huge benefit. That is a massive, massive benefit. Last year 430 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: Caleb had none of that. Left tackle was a swinging 431 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: door coach was defensive. Keenan Allen was passed his prime. 432 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: DJ Moore was good, but he was on his back 433 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: or running for his life. So JJ's got some of 434 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: those brock pretty first starts gifts. 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Jmack with the News, the News. 453 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News. 454 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 7: We're finally talking about Brock party again. 455 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 5: Colin one of my favorite players, not just in the NFL, 456 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 5: in all of sports. 457 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 7: He got his big contract. 458 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 5: The former mister Irrelevant went on a podcast with Richard 459 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 5: Sherman and talked about continuing to prove himself after getting paid. 460 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 8: I've always felt, you know this, like you know, underdog 461 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 8: kind of story, and that's been my story man, from 462 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 8: high school, college to the NFL. But for me, every 463 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 8: single year, all that matters, man, is if you know 464 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 8: I'm leading these guys in this locker room and this building, 465 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 8: this organization, and and and they trust me here, that's 466 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 8: all that matters. Everybody's gonna have something to say. That's 467 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 8: that's the nature of the sport, and that's fine. But 468 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 8: I don't buy into and listen. If I were to 469 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 8: listen to criticism everything, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. 470 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 8: I've had the chip on my shoulder and I go 471 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 8: prove myself right every single year. And so that's just 472 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 8: where I'm at. 473 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 5: Leadership, my friend, very workable schedule. 474 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 7: Yeah, can we talk about Brock for a moment. 475 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 5: He just sounds like what you want your friend Chisse 476 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 5: quarterback to sound like. 477 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: Right. Yes, he's a good kid, bright kid, absolutely. 478 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 5: Almost senatorial if you will well measure. Remember he doesn't 479 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 5: shot gun beers on stage with the tight end And 480 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 5: I like that take. 481 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: From you earlier you have no I mean, he's a 482 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: very good kid. This family probably thinks I don't like him. 483 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: He's he is all NFL in Tangible's team. But you 484 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: have made the r that this schedule is just cinchy. 485 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: So they go at Seattle's the opener. Then they have 486 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: to go cross country. The Saints aretainly good, but it's 487 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: cross country. 488 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 7: Yeah that's tough. Well yeah, Tyler, shit. 489 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Then it's your surprise team in the NFL. And you 490 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: may be right Arizona on there is Trevor Lawrence and 491 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: the improved Jags offense. Oh then you're Rams Baker Stafford. 492 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: You've made this out Oh at c J. Stroud and 493 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: you made this out to be cupcake city that first 494 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: eight weeks. There's some l's there. Baby. If you're not 495 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: ready to. 496 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 5: Go, you guys see what he's doing right. Listen, I'm 497 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 5: not going to get into it with you, but bottom line, 498 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 5: let me just go back to Brock party for say Colin. 499 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 7: I love the mentality that. 500 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 1: He's a career us. 501 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 5: The guy just got fifty million dollars a year, whatever 502 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 5: the number is, and he's still treating it like an underdog. 503 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 5: That's what I want from my quarterback. And you know 504 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 5: that's how I view myself. I see myself as an 505 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 5: underdog step on the basketball court, step on this show. 506 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 5: And I think that's a great mentality. Remember there's a 507 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 5: decent basketball player named Michael Jordan who would continually pump 508 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 5: himself up by telling him, Hey man, I'm an underdog. 509 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 7: I didn't make the JV team blah blah blah. Like 510 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 7: that's not a bad mentality to have, Collin. 511 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: No, I the intangibles for Brock are all pro. I'd 512 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: like more tangibles he does, like Shador Sanders or a 513 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: bow Nix. He moves better than people think Garoppolo was 514 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: a pure pocket guy. Brock can move, Brock can run. 515 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 5: Can you let me just drill down, what are these 516 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 5: tangibles that you want? 517 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: No? I mean, I listen, I like my quarterbacks like 518 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: I like my furniture hard to move, big, stable and 519 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: hard to move. That's what I like. Big, big coffee 520 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: table where he's eight hundred pounds, can't move it? Oh 521 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: so I but brain power, intangible, coachability, movement. He does 522 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: a great job, and he's he's I think you pushed 523 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: me into a corner where I have to just say 524 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: slow down. But he's a very solid BB plus quarterback. 525 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: And you know, now as the team's gotten old and 526 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: McCaffrey's hurt and Trent Williams is Noah's there, the numbers change. 527 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying, Dak. The numbers change when you 528 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: don't have the best online in the league. 529 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 5: I'm just saying, Keevin score Colin is an elitist and 530 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 5: a highest when it comes to quarterbacks. 531 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: I am a little bit. 532 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 5: Let's move on to Terry McLaurin, who is still holding 533 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 5: out now, Colin. 534 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 7: This is not great. 535 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 5: According to an NFL insider, when negotiations started between McLaurin 536 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 5: and the team, mclaurin's camp stunned the Commander's front office 537 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 5: with their contrad asked and almost broke down the negotiations 538 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 5: entirely The Insider adds that the way he understood it, 539 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 5: McLaurin was looking for tier one ride receiver money, and 540 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 5: by tier one that means Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, Jamar 541 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 5: Chase that level money. 542 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 7: Now, my first question to you is where's this coming from? 543 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 7: Who leaked this? 544 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 5: Is this Washington? We've had enough with Terry. We're gonna 545 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 5: put this out there so everybody knows this coming from 546 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 5: Washington because they've been negotiating for a while and. 547 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 7: I did not know it was this bad. Like you and. 548 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: I are honest, Well, I think he deserves I mean 549 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: a wide LAMB guy. 550 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 7: He's just not a CD. 551 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: List and he's not Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson or CD Lamb. 552 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: But he's better, more consistent than DK Metcalf. He's proven 553 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: at this point to be consistently better than Garrett will 554 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson. I would pay him kind of omar On 555 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: Saint Brown money. That's the kind of money i'd pay him, 556 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: which omar On Saint Brown thirty million large. That that's 557 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: what he is, which is he's not. He is a 558 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: hard working, highly productive, very mature, dependable Pro Bowl level 559 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's not gonna change your defense like Jamar 560 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: Justin CD or aj Brown, like you don't have to 561 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: roll coverage over all the time. You can put a 562 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: good corner on him and feel somewhat you know, Okay, 563 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: you can't single cover Justin Jefferson, You're gonna get smoked. 564 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: Cede Lamb's a hard single cover. But I think I 565 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: do think in a position with a lot of immaturity 566 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of ego, he is a mature, reliable 567 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: armor on Saint Brown, grown up, and I would pay 568 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: him thirty million and not worry at all about it. 569 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like he's gonna want a little more 570 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 5: than that. Thirty mil is ten mil per year off 571 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 5: of elite, not top tier receivers, which is what he wants. 572 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: Now. 573 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 5: Remember he's twenty nine, probably his last huge contract, and 574 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 5: your quarterbacks on the rookie deal. I think you know 575 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 5: what changes Washington is if somehow this screws up and 576 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 5: goes sideways and they don't have him, Because without him, 577 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 5: I'll tell you right now, Jayden Daniels is going to struggle. 578 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 5: They don't have the weapons behind him. 579 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: Going Jade and Daniels, as much as we love him, 580 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: beat one playoff team last year Philadelphia, and that's when 581 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett took a majority of the snaps. 582 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 7: Thank you well, that's a good nugget. 583 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 5: The final story is, again, I like this team a lot. 584 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 5: We're going to be doing headlines and they're gonna make 585 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 5: an appearance. 586 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 7: Cam Ward and the Titans. Colin forgive it all to me. 587 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 5: He's got great chemistry with Calvin Ridley, as they showed 588 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 5: in their last preseason game. 589 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 7: And here's the first overall pick. Cam Ward believing. 590 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 5: Tennessee has the potential to be a high powered offense. 591 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we honestly have the ability to be a 592 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 9: top ten offense. But also going it goes on every 593 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 9: guy in that huddle, including myself, bring the right mindset 594 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 9: every day and us also playing together. I think that's 595 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 9: the biggest things that we always put together. We never 596 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 9: point fingers at each other on both sides of the ball, 597 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 9: and we just got to always have that mindset that 598 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 9: we can be the best office in the NFL. And 599 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 9: then it really just comes with just us caring about 600 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 9: each other on the field off the field, and I 601 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 9: think a lot of that stuff will translate to the game. 602 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: You know, if you notice something with Brock Purty and 603 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and cam Ward and bow Knicks. If you 604 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: notice something, there's almost two qualities you see with all 605 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 1: of these young men who you've seen it with Lamar Jackson, 606 00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: josh Allen Mahomes humble and kind of obsessed and focused 607 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: on football. You ever noticed that? So whenever I pushed 608 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: back on a you know, big personality quarterback and everybody 609 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: freaks out, Folks, are you noticing a trend with all 610 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: the young quarterbacks that they're not always the biggest. Cam 611 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: Ward's not that big, Jalen Hurts is not that big. 612 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: The guys that are football focused c J. Stroud justin 613 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: Herbert cam Ward, Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott early football focused 614 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: and humble almost always. Those are two signs you got 615 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: the right guy football focused in humble. Will Levis came 616 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: in little bravado and Johnny Manziel. I mean it was 617 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: my big knock on Baker Mayfield, a lot of bravado. 618 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: Bro I don't mind if I see that in year six, 619 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: year one Cleveland, I don't want to see it. But 620 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: when I watched cam Ward, It's like, this is what 621 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: I saw with Jalen Hurts. This is what I saw 622 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: with Justin Herbert. It's this is what I saw with 623 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Like Humble, always about the team, not talking 624 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: about himself, always willing to say I've got to play better. 625 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 7: Like chicked at all. 626 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: This stuff all brought Purty deserves brought. Purty's about the team. 627 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: It's not about me. There is a clear obsessed about 628 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: football Humble for that position. Are the two boxes you 629 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: gotta check. You got to get buy in from coaches 630 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: and players, and you don't do it when you're cocky 631 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: and distracted. 632 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 5: And you see that image on the screen there, cam 633 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 5: Ward addressing what appears to. 634 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 7: Be the entire team. I don't think it's just the offense. Colin. 635 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 7: He walks in. 636 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 5: He's the leader, he's the alpha, and like, I. 637 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 7: Know, you want to mention Shador Sanders. That's fine. 638 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 5: Chador can't do something like this because he's fourth on 639 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 5: the depth chart. 640 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: You just can't hold up before Shitor. We can like Shador, 641 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: but he's a little distracted and he's a little unseerious 642 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: and legendary draft room and lack of self awareness. Cam 643 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: right now is above Shador like a long leap ahead 644 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: of Shador in the like maturity, like again, football, addicted, 645 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: obsessed with football, and humble. I would not say those 646 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: would describe Shadour at this point. That's absolutely Cam Moore. 647 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: Everybody says the same thing, humble, all in on football, 648 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 1: all about football. All he talks about, thinks about, and 649 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: recreates with it's football. J McK of the News, well, 650 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: that's the news and thanks for stopping that. 651 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: The Herd Line news. 652 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: I can't figure out. So though the NFL came out 653 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: Forbes magazine has come out for the NFL team's valuations, 654 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: and there is one team in this league. I never 655 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: understand why they're always undervalued, and we've talked about them 656 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: a lot in the last few years. It's the Hurd. 657 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 658 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 2: in noon Easter non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 659 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio. 660 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 5: Bryson, Keepka, Rom, Phil and DJ. Some of the biggest 661 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 5: names in golf are teeming it up in Indy for 662 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 5: Live Golf Indianapolis. Catch coverage of Round one tomorrow at 663 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 5: two pm Eastern, with weekend coverage of Round two and 664 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 5: the final round starting in Neon Eastern only on Fox. 665 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: I have never been able to figure out team valuations, 666 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: So Sportico not Forbes. 667 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 5: My bad. 668 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: Sportico came out with a list of NFL team valuations. 669 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: Now there's obviously the size of the city matters a lot. 670 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 4: You know. 671 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: Number one was the Dallas Cowboys. They are kind of 672 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: the Yankees. Although I tend to think America's team right 673 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: now as the Buffalo Bills, Kansas City, San Francisco, and 674 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: then Dallas. There was a time in my life I 675 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: thought the Pittsburgh Steeters in the seventy seventies were America's team. 676 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: So for our radio audience, I'm not going to read 677 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: all of them, but it goes a Cowboys rams obviously. 678 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: La Sofi Stadium is a magnificent facility. Giants, Patriots, Bosson 679 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, Eagles, Dolphins, Jets, I get all of them. 680 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: Here's what's amazing now, Chiefs are only sixteen because the 681 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: game day revenue. It's just a smaller market. I am 682 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: always amazed at how overvalued the Dolphins are, and I'll 683 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: tell you why. It's a distracted market with the world's 684 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: best beaches, arguably a transient market and the average incomes 685 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: are fifty five thousand dollars per fan, so that's not 686 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: a lot of that's not a lot of money for 687 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: game day revenue. I've never understood that it's a very distracted, 688 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: transient market that doesn't necessarily always draw well. It's not 689 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: a corporate hub. So when you look, this is why 690 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: I don't get valuations. It's not a knock on Miami, 691 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: but where is where are the Minnesota Vikings. They're not 692 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: in the top half. It's a corporate hub. No competition 693 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: from a beach or even a college football program to 694 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: take you know, money away or people away. It's not 695 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: a highly transient market. They have the Vikings below Tampa Bay, 696 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 1: Green Bay, Miami. Has anybody ever been to Minnesota. It's 697 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: like some of the highest most educated people, highly corporate, 698 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: good annual revenues. You're not distracted. Maybe the best stadium 699 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 1: in the league. Every seat is taken. They have very 700 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: good local radio revenues. I have never figured this out. 701 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: Like I lived in Tampa. It's not a corporate hub, 702 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: meaning Minnesota can go to its corporations and sell tens 703 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: of thousands of tickets and suites. You're not doing that 704 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: in Tampa. When I lived in Tampa, there was only 705 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: one Fortune five hundred company. It was Raymond James, the 706 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: investment bank or investment firm. So Tampa's not a corporate hub. 707 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: Miami's bigger than Tampa in terms of corporate and Miami 708 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: is also exploding in terms of tech growth. But I mean, 709 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: you're telling me Minnesota and the Titans are close. I 710 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: don't understand it. Same thing in base everybody's was like, ah, 711 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 1: Minnesota is a small market team. Look at the corporations 712 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. It's right in the middle of the country, 713 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: one of the best airports, and there's all sorts of 714 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: corporate money there, meaning there's a lot of executives, there's 715 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: a lot of money. I don't get it. I just 716 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: have never understood this. The Minnesota Vikings are essentially the 717 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs without Mahomes. They've always been well run, 718 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: always been well capitalized, had a lot of great coaches. 719 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, my staff put this down just these alone. 720 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: Target base, there, General Mills, United Healthcare, they're all headquartered 721 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. An average salary for fans, it's got to 722 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: be one of the top ten in the league. I 723 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: don't get it. I don't get valuations. I do get 724 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: bo Nicks, who was only ranked twentieth among NFL execs 725 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: in the Mic Sando Annual Athletic Poll. I asked Greg 726 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: Cosel earlier. Is he ranked twentieth because executives in this 727 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: league hold Sean Payton in such high regard. 728 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 3: If a quarterback is well coached, with a really good 729 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 3: coordinator and a really good scheme and a well designed system, 730 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 3: that's somehow a knock on the quarterback. I don't really 731 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 3: understand that, because that's kind of what the coach is 732 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 3: supposed to do, you know. And I think that bow 733 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 3: Nicks showed a lot last year with the kinds of 734 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 3: throws that he made. I mean, he made a lot 735 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: of big time throws. Between the numbers. He showed more 736 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 3: arm strength quite honestly, than I thought he had coming 737 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 3: out of Oregon. 738 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't get the shade with bo Nix. So, 739 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: but I will tell you if Caleb Williams can play, 740 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: and again I showed, I'll show it at the top 741 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: of the hour. If you got fifteen percent improved with 742 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams, it's I mean, the numbers will be He'll 743 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: complete seventy one percent of his throws. But bow Knicks 744 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: can play. Drake May can absolutely play. Jade Daniels is 745 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: a star. I'm a strong believer in Michael Pennix. I 746 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: have my doubts on JJ McCarthy, but he has such 747 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: a strong support system, and with the Vikings and O'Connell 748 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: and the receiving corps, we may have a six for 749 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: six class if Kayleb Williams can play a five for 750 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: five or six for six class. Cam Ward's gonna work. 751 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: I don't know to what level he'll work. And what's 752 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: interesting next year is cad Club. Nick for Clemson is 753 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 1: the real deal, folks. He is big, he can move, 754 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: he doesn't turn the ball over. He's really good. Five 755 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: star high school kid, been great at Clemson. Arsh Manning 756 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: can play. Drew Aller can play to some level. We 757 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: got three guys. I absolutely believe our franchise quarterbacks. I 758 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,439 Speaker 1: don't know about the kid at South Carolina. I'm not 759 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: quite sure about nuss Meyer at LSU. Let's say they improve, 760 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: they get fifteen more starts, and they improve and they 761 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 1: become first round picks. That means like two out of 762 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: the last three years we could have five to six 763 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: first round level quarterbacks. And I'm going to tell you 764 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: when I watch the kid at Clemson, I watch Arch 765 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 1: Manning and Drew Aller. There's a lot to like. There 766 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: is a ton and listen Bone Nicks. People add doubts 767 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: on Bonix can play, Absolutely can play. Eric Mangini's going 768 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: to join us last hour? Are you on the show tomorrow? 769 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,240 Speaker 1: J Mack, I'm off them. Are you on the show tomorrow? 770 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: Are you doing it? Oh? 771 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm firing for an hour. 772 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 5: I was just cooking up some takes. 773 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 7: There's some interesting stuff out there. 774 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 5: Quick note cap Club Nick six foot two, and you 775 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 5: know college measurements, they sometimes skew taller Rock Party at 776 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 5: the combine sixty to one, so Club Nick probably checks 777 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 5: in closer to Rock Party's height. Nus Myers also in 778 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 5: that sixty one range. But can we go back to 779 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 5: the valuations. 780 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 4: That you did. 781 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 5: I was trying to draw a parallel between the Sportico 782 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 5: top half of the NFL valuations versus bottom half, and 783 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 5: you made a great point that like, why is Minnesota 784 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 5: lower than like Atlanta? 785 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 7: How are the Atlanta Falcons valuation? 786 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: But Atlanta's got four and a half million people, it's 787 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: a corporate hub. Delta and Coca Cola. 788 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,399 Speaker 7: For been good. 789 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 5: I mean, if you're just going on corporate hubs, well, 790 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 5: no that matters, because I can charge six times as 791 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 5: much in Minneapolis, you know, or Atlanta as I could 792 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 5: maybe a Carolina, although Carolina's a banking hub. 793 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 7: I mean, the Atlanta Hawks are there. 794 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 5: Their valuation is garbage in the NBA, I don't think 795 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 5: there's a direct word. 796 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: Minnesota is home to fifteen fifteen Fortune five hundred companies, 797 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,919 Speaker 1: and you're telling me they're worth less. 798 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 7: Than Tampa, Seattle, Vegas. 799 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: But Seattle's at least a corporate hub.