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Speaker 1: you gotta pass in this league. Now, you don't need

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Speaker 1: tier of NFL quarterbacks. I always say this, and I

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Speaker 1: believe this to my core, is that just and I

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Speaker 1: understand why people in a coordinator position want to be

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Speaker 1: a head coach. It pays a lot more. Now, being

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Speaker 1: a coordinator in the NFL pays a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: They're all making seven figures and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: make two, three, four million dollars. But being a head

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Speaker 1: coach immediately gets you a four or five year contract

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Speaker 1: at seven eight million dollars starting right, and then if

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Speaker 1: you're good, that goes to twelve quickly. It changes you

435
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Speaker 1: become player rich. I mean, that's that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: And you're forty forty five years old, so you're more

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Speaker 1: equipped to, you know, handle the money. Right, So it's

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine being a twenty three year old

439
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Speaker 1: kid and getting fifty sixty million dollars the dumb things

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Speaker 1: I would buy. You are much more equipped to handle

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Speaker 1: money the older you get. So these coaches that are

442
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Speaker 1: in this position, it's game changing money in the NFL,

443
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Speaker 1: but you get paid a lot more for a reason.

444
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Speaker 1: It is a lot harder to be a head coach

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Speaker 1: when I'm a coordinator offensive or defense, and a player

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Speaker 1: on my side of the ball, let's say, a running

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Speaker 1: back or a defensive lineman whoever gets a d has

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Speaker 1: a contract dispute, shatters a leg, whatever kind of out

449
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Speaker 1: of my control. Right, it's not my choice who we

450
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Speaker 1: pick to replace that player. I don't have to get

451
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Speaker 1: in front of the press if it's something really bad, right,

452
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Speaker 1: a domestic dispute a couple of years ago, when Ruggs

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Speaker 1: gotten the thing. Like, the head coach is the guy

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Speaker 1: in front of the cameras when it's the ugliest or

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Speaker 1: when it's just the most adversity and has to answer

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Speaker 1: the questions the coordinators just do. Not a head coach

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Speaker 1: talks Wednesday. On Friday, and then again after the game.

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Speaker 1: And it's smart. In the NFL, coaches are especially a

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Speaker 1: large percentage of them are very famous, and they're huge

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Speaker 1: characters in this whole television show that is professional football.

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Speaker 1: So you want them to talk as much as possible.

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Speaker 1: Coordinators talk once a week, talk once a week on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: And Belichick doesn't even let him talk. He talks for him.

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Speaker 1: But Shane Stikin, who is a guy I'm rooting for.

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Speaker 1: He's from Sacramento College football at UNLV. I've kind of

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Speaker 1: been following his career ever since he was with the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: What he did with the Eagles was awesome. I mean

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Speaker 1: as a coordinator, the guy was an ass kicker, and

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Speaker 1: that's a big reason he got hired, right. He proved

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Speaker 1: that he can scheme the offense and work with the quarterback, which,

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Speaker 1: as a coach is the most valuable skill you can have.

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Speaker 1: But when you become the head coach, the moment your owner,

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Speaker 1: who has a history of drugs, who's kind of a

474
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Speaker 1: looney starts publicly creating chaos with your star running back,

475
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Speaker 1: that's now your problem. Like if that happened in Philly,

476
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Speaker 1: that's on Howie and Sirianni, you just have to figure

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Speaker 1: out next man up scheme the offense. Now you have

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Speaker 1: to answer for it, and every question you get, probably

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Speaker 1: until this is a resolved in a press conference, is

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Speaker 1: what's the latest with Jonathan Taylor? What's going on with

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor? Have you spoken with Jonathan Taylor? Have you

482
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Speaker 1: spoken with mister Ers? Like you don't really get that

483
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Speaker 1: as the coordinator because ultimately, as the coordinator, maybe an

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Speaker 1: agent texts you about like I love what you're doing

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Speaker 1: with my guy felt whatever. As you're the coach, the

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Speaker 1: agent is texting you like, figure out, get my guy,

487
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Speaker 1: figure out this problem, help my guy get paid, Like

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Speaker 1: can you fix this problem? It's on your shoulders so

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Speaker 1: that there is no I gave Gudakins a lot of

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Speaker 1: credit last year with the Rogers situation. They don't teach

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Speaker 1: you that as the SEC scout or as the pro

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Speaker 1: personnel director, you might have a front row seat because

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Speaker 1: you see your GM dealing with it, but ultimately doesn't

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Speaker 1: fall on your seat. There is no training ground for

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Speaker 1: these situations. Right when Pete Carroll or Andy Reid or

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick or Mike Tomlin or any of these coaches

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Speaker 1: that have been around forever. Get a crazy situation, they've

498
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Speaker 1: dealt with it before. Not that it's comfortable, because it

499
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Speaker 1: never is. Not that you want to deal with it.

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Speaker 1: You don't you want to be coaching football. But let's

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Speaker 1: face it, anytime, I don't care anyone listening to this.

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Speaker 1: In whatever profession you're in, anytime you have experienced going

503
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Speaker 1: through shit in that industry, you kind of at least

504
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Speaker 1: know what to expect or know how to manage it

505
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Speaker 1: and get through it. The next time you see it,

506
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Speaker 1: you're more comfortable with dealing with the chaos. But the

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Speaker 1: first time that you deal with the chaos, whether it

508
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Speaker 1: be in a marriage, whether it be as a football coach,

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Speaker 1: or whether it be as a doctor, I don't blame

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Speaker 1: you if it's a little overwhelming, and I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: Shane Steiken is like, what am I supposed to do?

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Speaker 1: I'm not the boss. I want Jonathan Taylor around. Clearly

513
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Speaker 1: we're better with him. I kind of agree we can't

514
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Speaker 1: overpay this guy, but I'm going to be a better

515
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Speaker 1: coach if he's in the backfield with my rookie quarterback

516
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Speaker 1: who I'm trying to nurture, who I'm trying to improve.

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Speaker 1: I sent that picture or that video that went viral

518
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Speaker 1: the other day to one of my buddies in the league.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, look at this, and he's like, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: all know that he can do that. Can he just

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Speaker 1: complete basic routes? Like his problem has been the layup throws.

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Speaker 1: No one questions the physical capabilities to do all the

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Speaker 1: freakis shit, it's can he just hit an outright on

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Speaker 1: third and seven? Like? Yeah, Well, that's Steichen's job to

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Speaker 1: have him corralled and mentally prepared and physically ready to

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Speaker 1: go in that situation. It's easy to do with Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Taylor in the backfield and because of ursay creating all

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Speaker 1: this public chaos, which is just not really healthy for

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Speaker 1: anyone beside Jim Mersey to kind of vent it out, which,

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Speaker 1: like I said, he's not totally wrong, but handling it

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Speaker 1: that way just makes it more difficult on your rookie

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Speaker 1: head coach. So buckle up. This is why they pay

533
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Speaker 1: you the big buck, and last but not least, the pads.

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Speaker 1: I hear a lot of people around football that say,

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Speaker 1: you know, everyone gets so excited about guys and OTAs

536
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Speaker 1: and early on in training camp, and none of it matters.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, well, I've been to these practices, working

538
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Speaker 1: in the NFL doing what I do. Now, you can

539
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Speaker 1: only get excited about what you see. We're all humans,

540
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Speaker 1: whether you're Mike McCarthy or Andy Reid, whether you're a fan,

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Speaker 1: whether you're a GM right you're at shorts and T

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Speaker 1: shirts and a young guy's making plays. It's human nature

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Speaker 1: to go, we might have something. You don't say we

544
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Speaker 1: have something. You go, we might have something. But the

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Speaker 1: thing in football that is different than all these other

546
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Speaker 1: sports is you can't, like even in golf, right, I

547
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Speaker 1: can play a real round of golf at the course

548
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to play in a tournament. In basketball,

549
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Speaker 1: we can play five on five in baseball, even if

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Speaker 1: I only got two people, if one's a pitcher and

551
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Speaker 1: one's a hitter, we can simulate abs I can't play

552
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Speaker 1: football without the pads on and have it actually be football.

553
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Speaker 1: It's different, and you could argue even in this modern

554
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Speaker 1: day camp, no one actually tackles to the ground, so

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Speaker 1: it's not even actually what you'll see in these preseason

556
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Speaker 1: games and definitely in the regular season, but there is

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Speaker 1: a physicality element to the line of scrimmage. To linebackers

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Speaker 1: to running backs that do you want the contact or

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Speaker 1: do you not? Do you rise to the occasion or

560
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Speaker 1: do you not? And veteran players, the tape speaks for

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Speaker 1: we know what you are when you play, if you're

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Speaker 1: physically ready to go. Young players, especially rookies or second

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Speaker 1: year practice squad guys, it is an enormous time because

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Speaker 1: there are so many players around the league, whether they

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Speaker 1: be first year rookie guys, second year practice squad guys.

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Speaker 1: Do you go, god, I think we might have a

567
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Speaker 1: rotational wide receiver. I think we might have found our

568
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: right guard. I think we might have our backup pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: And then the pads come on and you realize you

570
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Speaker 1: don't and right away, you know, listen, that time, that

571
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Speaker 1: was real what we saw, But that doesn't really matter

572
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: because now the pads are on and it's not the case.

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Speaker 1: And same thing with the flip side. Right you're excited,

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Speaker 1: you're excited, and then the guy gets pads on and

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Speaker 1: he keeps kicking ass. Now there's a whole other level

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Speaker 1: to the actual games. Once you start factoring in scheme,

577
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Speaker 1: once you start factoring and getting coached and playing injured

578
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: and the length of an NFL season, But you start

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Speaker 1: learning over this next week guys that you have a

580
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Speaker 1: chain chants young players to contribute this year right and

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Speaker 1: really work with from a physicality standpoint, and it's what

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Speaker 1: makes it fun and GMS. You know most of your

583
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Speaker 1: time watching the film. Obviously you could pick any team right.

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Speaker 1: You're starting guys, maybe a guy or two you're looking

585
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Speaker 1: to replace, But for the most part, you have a

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Speaker 1: pretty good idea, especially if you're a decent team. All

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Speaker 1: your returners who's going to play? Do they look good?

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Speaker 1: Do they look like they've maintained whether it be just

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Speaker 1: their health, their speed, their explosiveness, whatever the position, their strength.

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Speaker 1: But the young guys, you don't really know what you

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Speaker 1: got until they start playing. And then maybe you go, God,

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Speaker 1: let's take a look at so and so, this backup

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Speaker 1: linebacker with the first group, the second year guy, the

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Speaker 1: last year we drafted, the fourth round that spent last

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Speaker 1: year on the practice squad. Could he be a starter?

596
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: He didn't have the chance, But we lost the guy

597
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: in free agency and he's been running with the twos.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you should get a little more because you've already

599
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: been thinking it. With the T shirt and helmets on,

600
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Speaker 1: but it doesn't really matter till this starts, and it's

601
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Speaker 1: what makes it fun and it's really what leads us

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Speaker 1: right into the season. Best sport in the world. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's dive into the Middlecoff mailbag. Here's what you do.

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Speaker 1: You go to Instagram at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff,

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Speaker 1: and you fire in those dms. Very very easy to

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Speaker 1: get your questions answered on the show at John Middlecoff.

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Speaker 1: Fire in those dms and then we'll interact with the people.

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Speaker 1: Big Broncos fan Tim Patrick. I read that he was

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Speaker 1: carted off the field. It's an achilles. I think Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton said that the question pretty much. The guy pretty

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Speaker 1: much kept the offense afloat before Russell showed up. I

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Speaker 1: have a question regarding the salary cap. If tpn's up

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Speaker 1: on the pup list and he is out the whole season,

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Speaker 1: isn't there a rule or something about the salary cap?

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Speaker 1: For example, if Patrick cost ten dollars now if he's

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Speaker 1: on the IR list, is the only cost the Broncos

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Speaker 1: five against the sound salary cap. I'd have to get

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Speaker 1: like Howie Roseman or Proague Marante on the phone to

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Speaker 1: get some salary cap experts. I know, typically in a contract,

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Speaker 1: if your own like let's just say, let's pick an

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Speaker 1: even number, because I think I think I saw Patrick's

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Speaker 1: salary was like seven point seven million dollars this year

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Speaker 1: and his dead caps like ten now waving players injured.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of logistical rules with the cap

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Speaker 1: that I can't pretend to know, but I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: with the salary, if you don't work right, if you're

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Speaker 1: an IRL season, like, if you're a legitimate player, I

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Speaker 1: can wave. They wave a lot of like undrafted free

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Speaker 1: agents and late round picks injured, like whatever you did,

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Speaker 1: you come to some settlement. It's usually a small number.

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Speaker 1: But when you're talking seven million dollars and a guy

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Speaker 1: that clearly the Broncos like a lot, typically you just

633
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: owe them half or there might be a set number

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Speaker 1: in the contract. So if he's scheduled to make just

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Speaker 1: pick eight million dollars, I think it was a little

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Speaker 1: less than that. You know, you usually make four, which

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Speaker 1: you know makes sense because you're not actually doing the

638
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: work though you got hurt on the job, so you

639
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: are compensated where it gets. Yeah, it sucks. I mean,

640
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: it's just the worst part of the game. The injuries

641
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: really nothing you can do, and uh yeah, hey John,

642
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: just listen to today's episode. And at one point I think

643
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: is fair to raise regarding the Hackett Urban media portrayal.

644
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: Hacket essentially proved he couldn't hack the job, while Urban

645
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: proved that but also welcome buckets of controversy, bar situation,

646
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: personal issues with players. I agree with your overall stance

647
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: of straight talk, but I feel like it's a fair

648
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: to point out I'm not saying they did the same thing,

649
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: right er, Urban Meyer. Nathaniel Hackett is an NFL assistant coach, right,

650
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: That's what he is, and it's a great job to have.

651
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. Some guys are meant

652
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: to be coordinators. Luckily, in twenty twenty three, it pays

653
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: two to three four million dollars, right, I mean it

654
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: pays Josh McDaniel's making like six million dollars in New

655
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: England pays a boatload of money. If Todd Bowles can't

656
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Hackett as a head coach, ultimately it sucks. But not

657
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: everyone's meant to be the a guy. Some people are bees. Right,

658
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: there's in a big office building. I say this all

659
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: the time. There are only so many corner offices, a

660
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of cubicles in the middle, a lot of bathrooms

661
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: that need to be clean. We all have different roles.

662
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: We just do. That's the way society works in any industry.

663
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: And I think Urban Meyer is a college coach only

664
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: got laughed out of the league. Hackett just got laughed

665
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: out of being a head coach. He's going to be

666
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: a coordinator. We'll see how he does this year. A

667
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: lot of eyeballs on him, obviously, but I would agree

668
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing them as persons as people, right the person.

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Speaker 1: If you can separate Hackett and Urban Urban, I think

670
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: it's fair to red flag as a human being, right,

671
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: questionable scumback. No one considers Nathaniel Hackett a bad guy,

672
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: just over his head being the head coach. Which it's

673
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: fun to argue about head coaches, right, we do it

674
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: all the time. Who's good, who's bad? Who is overrated?

675
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: Who's underrated? Like we can argue about Mike McCarthy all

676
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: we want. How good is he? I know he's pretty good.

677
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: Is he good enough to win playoff games now in Dallas?

678
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Like I'd probably bet against it. But he's definitely probably

679
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: underrated from the way we used to talk about him.

680
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: Now that he's rattling off double digit win seasons without Rogers, right,

681
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: I think we'd all kind of agree. And even a

682
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: Dieherd cowboy fan probably doesn't have a top ten coach.

683
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Dak can have top ten weeks, but over

684
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: the course of the season, I mean guys dealing with

685
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: the tenth to twelfth quarterback in the NFL and winning

686
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of games, like, he's pretty good. Now the

687
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: way we judge you is in the playoffs and he's

688
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: got beaten two years in a row by Kyle Shanahan.

689
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: This year is going to be big, right, Could he

690
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: win the division? Can he win in the playoffs? But

691
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a fun part. But when you get

692
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: run out after one season and don't even make it

693
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: through the season. And there were different circumstances, like you said,

694
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: Urban had the issue when he didn't back with the team,

695
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: went to the bar, was touching the chick's ass, which

696
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: I always defended him in the sense that everyone was

697
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: acting like he was a scumback for doing that. You

698
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: can never assume people's marriages are all over the place

699
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: open marriages. Rich people do weird things, us normal peons

700
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: in society. One woman, you just kind of lock in.

701
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: That's the way the world works. It's not the way

702
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: the elites work. So I think you're quick to judge.

703
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: Heard more stories about being around some of these people.

704
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: You just never know. You just never know, so you

705
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: might read some things on the internet like this seems crazy. No,

706
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: it's probably true, right man. So I didn't judge him

707
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: so much for the actions more just the guy's a

708
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: clown and thinking a guy that had never coached the

709
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: NFL was gonna have success. Spoted that one form a

710
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: mile away. I know we got a lot of new listeners,

711
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: but that's one of my one of my favorite nail

712
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: takes that I've ever had when it comes to Hackett,

713
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: he was just hired for Rogers, and Rogers for whatever reason,

714
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: decided to take Green's Bays money and refused to go

715
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: to Denver and then they went to the option B

716
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: and it was a failure. But it was also he

717
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: was terrible, I mean really really bad from a football stamp.

718
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: People didn't act like he treated people bad or any

719
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: of that stuff, which there's something to be said. Started

720
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: listening to your podcast, recently and enjoy your viewpoints and

721
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: share the opinions you give. Sounds like a smart guy.

722
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: My question is on the Colts now that Jonathan Taylor

723
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: requested a trade recently. We have seen the main running

724
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: backs coming out of their contract issues. Colts have an

725
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: owner that isn't afraid to say anything he has on

726
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: his mind. What's the likelihood the Colts trade him? And

727
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: what kind of market is out there for JT. Also,

728
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't Taylor and Richardson if he pans out be a

729
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: backfield to be reckoned with. This is why the situation

730
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: is very touchy. We talked about it earlier on the show.

731
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: You have a rookie quarterback who is the ultimate project,

732
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: right and he said something with his like nasal, he

733
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: had surgery. He's gonna be out a couple days, but

734
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: nothing you know, physically on his throwing shoulder or anything.

735
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: But looks like a guy, high character guy physically pretty special,

736
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: but it's just going to need some help. And you

737
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: got a rookie head coach who proved to be a

738
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: very good coordinator who could help mold the quarterback. But

739
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: to have a very very high character slash good player

740
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: kind of going through this who. I was listening to

741
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: the GM Shuffle and Jonathan Taylor said a couple months

742
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: ago that like he knew what he was getting into.

743
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: He signed a four year contract. He was going to

744
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: play it out and see what happens, right, And then

745
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: I think this running back controversy hits, his agent surely

746
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: wants to get him paid. The problem is, and we've

747
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: talked about this over and over, when you ask for

748
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: sixteen million and that's you know, forty percent higher than

749
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: the next, that's just not the way the world works.

750
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: The reason Herbert got a little bit more than Hurts

751
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: was because it was just a basic five million at

752
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: he didn't get thirty eight million dollars more. That's not

753
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: the way contracts work. Now. Bacon, bitch and moan all

754
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: they wants, which I understand if I'm in their shoes,

755
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: But the market is what it is. And Jonathan Taylor

756
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: is coming off a bad year. To me, he would

757
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: have more of a gripe if he was coming off

758
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: that eighteen hundred yard season where he had eighteen touchdowns

759
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: and was elite because the guy is went healthy, an

760
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: awesome player. I've had buddies in the league that thought

761
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: two years ago he was the best running back in

762
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: the NFL, and when you factor in the catching ability,

763
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: might be the most complete running back in the NFL.

764
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: That was when McCaffrey was hurt as well, but still

765
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: like very very special player. I think the one knock

766
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: on him at least I remember in college like not

767
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: coming out of put the ball on the ground a

768
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: little bit. But love this guy. I just think these

769
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: public spats, you know, I don't really know what comes

770
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: of them sometimes, so I think you just kind of

771
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: got to ride it out. And this is this is

772
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: part of being a head coach. Man. This is hard.

773
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: You never know what curveball is gonna come. It's not

774
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: just BP fastballs all day. The next day you might

775
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: just have your star player pissed off, screaming at the owner,

776
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: tweeting up a storm. It's the NFL, it's football. I

777
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: mean it happens in college too. He just's what makes

778
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: us thing so entertaining. You just never know what's coming.

779
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: First time, long time, keep the profanity coming. It makes

780
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: for an authentic and refreshing listen. I like where this

781
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: guy's head's at. I've heard you mentioned Pro Bowl level

782
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: players several times. And I wonder if the honor has

783
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: lost some of its prestige with so many players opting

784
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: to just not go and alternatives feeling or alternates filling

785
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: their spots, how much does the value of the Pro

786
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: Bowl quote unquote honor even bring Kyler Murray's injury replacement.

787
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl selection shouldn't even exist in the same galaxy

788
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: as Patrick Mahomes selection. Can a Pro Bowl selection carry

789
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: any weight whatsoever? After Tyler Huntley made it? Totally on

790
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: board with this. I'm a big believer that there should

791
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: be some separation. Right when Micah Parsons or Nick Bosa

792
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: or Tyreek Hill make the Pro Bowl, that's a real

793
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey, Trent Williams like that.

794
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: There are Zach Martin Pro bowlers that are just like

795
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Jason Kelcey, one of the best players in the league.

796
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: Guy's elite. And then there are all the replacements. And

797
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: if you're Derek Carr and you're a four time Pro bowler,

798
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: actually you're probably a two time Pro bowler, but when

799
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: your career ends, maybe makes another one. I'm a five

800
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: time Pro bowler. We've all met a guy probably at

801
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: some point in time in our life, even if we're

802
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: not around the business, is like this guy played in

803
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: the NFL, this guy played in the NBA, And honestly,

804
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: it might just be like one season, and that guy

805
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: is a legend in that little town athletically, you know,

806
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: maybe he's coaching like high school basketball. It's like, do

807
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: you know that guy played for three seasons for the

808
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Clippers? Did you know this guy was in

809
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: back to back training camps with the nineteen eighty forty

810
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: nine ers practice squad? Guy with a legend. And then

811
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: there are just really good players, and then there are

812
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: star players. And when I view star players, when I

813
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: say the word, I think Deon Sanders, I think Ray Lewis,

814
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Paid Manning. Right, So yeah, I agree,

815
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 1: I don't. It's why I think we've kind of leaned

816
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: toward all pros. Are you an all pro? And those

817
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: guys get more juice? But I hear you, I don't

818
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: know what to do. Maybe we make separate categories because

819
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: at least, like if you're an NBA All Star, like

820
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: twelve guys go basically used to be from each conference.

821
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: I know now they've kind of carried it over, but

822
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like an All Star was

823
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: an All Star. Same in baseball and football. It's become

824
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: very muddied, and I don't like muddying it because I

825
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: don't view Tyler Huntley as a pro bowler like I

826
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: didn't view Derek Carr as a pro bowler certain seasons. Uh,

827
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: you go to Wendy's for the spicy chicken sandwich. Why

828
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: not Chick fil It? I work at CFA Corporate and

829
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: will send you some free coupons. Well, I got to

830
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: respond to this guy, send him my email. I didn't

831
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: say I go to Wendy's for the chicken spicy sandwich.

832
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: I said, if I go to Wendy's, which is not

833
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: very often and typically historically in my thirties, would be

834
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: late night, kind of hungry, order it right to get

835
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: delivered because I've had a few pops, you know, and

836
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of hungry. Chick fil A is dramatically better

837
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: than Wendy's, not debatable, But I don't go to Chick

838
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: fil A for the spicy chicken sandwich. I go to

839
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: Chick fil A just for the Chick fil A sandwich.

840
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: Hot take. Not a huge spicy guy I don't mind

841
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: a little kick, but I'm not looking to sweat, right.

842
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm a bald guy. Sweat easily if I eat. Whether

843
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm in a restaurant or whether I'm outside one hundred

844
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: and twenty, I'm if it's hot, I'm going to sweat,

845
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: so I don't. I'm not a huge spicy chicken guy,

846
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: but the spicy chicken at Wendy's, of their whole menu,

847
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: that's what I'm getting. I'm going Chick fil A. I'm

848
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: getting Chick fil A sandwiches. I'm getting Chick fil A. Strips.

849
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: Fries are legit. If I'm being a fat ass, you

850
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: gotta milkshakes are pretty awesome. Got a lot going for you.

851
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm a pro Chick fil A guy. When I lived

852
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: in Walnut Creek, the line at Chick fil A was

853
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: every bit as outrageous as shake shack. I think I

854
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: mentioned that the other day. That was the word I

855
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: was looking for, or in and out. The Chick fil

856
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: A line in Walnut Creek, or just in general in

857
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: the Bay Area is always a minimum. I'm not even

858
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: trying to undersell it. Fifty cars it is crazy. From lunchtime,

859
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: little break, there was a little sweet Spot from like

860
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: two forty five to three point fifty. It was like

861
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: a little over an hour, and then it just stayed

862
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: jam packed the entire day, same thing within and out,

863
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: so that that would sometimes detor your boy from going

864
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: to Chick fil A just because it was too long.

865
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: Sending this for my burner account, I'm a big fan

866
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: of the show. With all this running back talk, I

867
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: was thinking about other positions that are replaceable, and I

868
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: came up with the second tier receivers. I'm all for

869
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: paying the top ten guys twenty five million dollars, but

870
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: I would refuse to pay eighteen to twenty million a

871
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: year for a guy I could get similar production in

872
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: free agency of the draft, which seems to be stacked

873
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: with wide receiver talent. I was thinking about this last

874
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: night because I was kind of going through my dms

875
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: and I saw this. You could call this the Amari

876
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: Cooper rule. When Amari Cooper first came into the NFL,

877
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: I thought a Marik Cooper was going to be this

878
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: is gonna sound crazy like a poor man's Jerry Rice.

879
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to go down as like

880
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: an all time great, and it turns out he's not

881
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: but he's damn good. And Amark Cooper's on your team.

882
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: He can get you seven to ten touchdowns probably you know,

883
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: probably more like six to nine, six to eight, and

884
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: get your seventy five to eighty five catches, get you

885
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: over a thousand. He's a really good player, great route runner,

886
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: very productive. Sometimes you know it's like is he playing

887
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: through injuries? He can be a little weird that way.

888
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: Doesn't always feel like he's all in because of the

889
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: way he plays. But it works. But if you have

890
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: a Marik Cooper and you you just have to pay

891
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: because the going rate somewhere between nineteen to like twenty

892
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: two million dollars, but you can't pay some other wide

893
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: receiver twenty eight million dollars. So Amark Cooper just essentially

894
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: becomes your one, which which is not the end of

895
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: the world, but is not ideal. Right, you would much

896
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: rather have DeVante Adams, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill.

897
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you can name a bunch of guys, and

898
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: this is the conundrum. I see the forty nine ers

899
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: are going to be in with Brandon Ayuk. Like Brandon

900
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: Ayuk is probably Amari Cooper ish, right, He's just he's

901
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: really good. But in his market, it's going to be

902
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: his market. Someone's willing to pay him, I'm sure nineteen

903
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, but the forty dollars already have

904
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: a wide receiver who's kind of this unique hybrid wide

905
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: receiver because he can't really run other routes, but he

906
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: dominates with a ball in his hands that they're paying

907
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of money to. I think they gave him

908
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, so can they afford to give Ayuk

909
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty million dollars a year while paying Debo and Kittle.

910
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: That's a lot of money. So you kind of find

911
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: yourself in Noman's now. If you somehow traded Debo and

912
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: got a bunch of picks, could you give Ayuk twenty

913
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: million dollars a year and have him as your number

914
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: one ride receiver? But is he good enough to be

915
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: your number one wide receiver? Maybe he is if you

916
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: got McCaffrey and Kittle. But that's kind of that Amari

917
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: Cooper conundrum. There is a small amount of guys that

918
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: are like I can just force feed this guy. Cooper

919
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: cups a guy that a little out of side, out

920
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: of mind because he got hurt. But two years ago,

921
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: holy shit, if you can just give me every single

922
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: game I go into, they know I'm coming at you

923
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: and it does not matter. And you know that's a

924
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: much smaller list than I think we realize. T Higgins

925
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: I think falls under this category. Really good player like

926
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: T Higgins on my team. But once we start talking

927
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: second contract, it gets complicated. And this is not Madden Football.

928
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: This is a real business where there's a salary camp

929
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: and you have to build your team. Huge fan of

930
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: your work. God, we got some positive guys in like DMS.

931
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: Right now feels like you have a great perspective and

932
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: are able to really diagnose content that is worth presenting

933
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: on the pod as opposed to just talking about a

934
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: lot of fluff content. I appreciate it. Been doing this,

935
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: been in this business now about a decade. But honestly,

936
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: I've been listening to sports content. I listened to it

937
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: a lot more when I was younger. I started listening

938
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: to Jim Rome, probably in the mid nineties. I mean,

939
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: I just this is this has been something my dad

940
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: were We lived in Davis growing up, KNBR, which is

941
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: kind of the It mean, it's not a big anymore.

942
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, radio is kind of dying. But what wfan

943
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: is on the you know in New York or WEI

944
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: at Boston, it's that in the we just wore soccer

945
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: was just always on. So you kind of have a

946
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: feel and every market's different. I just got to I've

947
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: been listening to Colin Coward for well over a decade.

948
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: You kind of know what matters. And my style is different,

949
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: like I'm just not gonna talk about the Cowboys talking

950
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: about the cowboys, but I'm also interested by the Cowboys

951
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: when interesting things happen. And that's why part of this

952
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: podcasting business is a little different. You just kind of

953
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: let it rip, and I got a pretty good idea

954
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: of what works and what doesn't. But I appreciate that. Anyways,

955
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm a big Patriot fan and have to imagine that

956
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: Bill is riding the way until he becomes the most

957
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: winning at coach of all time and then probably calls

958
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: it a career. I personally feel like Mayo has to

959
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: be the number one candidate to legitimately replace him because

960
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: he shared a defensive background as such a great rapport

961
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: within the organization. I would rather see them hire and

962
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: op guy like the oc from the Lions or Seattle

963
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: given the state of the league. But I'm curious if

964
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: you think that Craft would actually be bold enough to

965
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: pivot toward the unfamiliarity to catch up. Well, you kind

966
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: of find yourself in a conundrum, right, And whenever Saban retires,

967
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: are they a locke to hire a guy that worked

968
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: under Nick Saban? Like, I'm sure they would throw the

969
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: kitchen sink at Kirby, which he would decline because he

970
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: went to Georgia and they can pan the same. Would

971
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: they go to Lane or would they just go outside?

972
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: Would they just try to hire like Lincoln Riley. I'm

973
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,959
Speaker 1: just asking this question out loud. I would go I'd

974
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: imagine they hire a Saban guy. Some Saban descendant would

975
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: be my guest. And I think familiarity part of because

976
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: you like what they brought. Now it's different. Alabama hasn't

977
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: lost really, right. I mean, they had a shitty season

978
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: last year where they went ten eleven games. Belichick's going

979
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: through some bumpy waters and the league has dramatically changed,

980
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: so it's impossible to even take an educated guess what

981
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: Bob would do. Right, They've had the same coach for

982
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: what feels like twenty five years. I don't know the

983
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: exact number. I guess it's twenty twenty. I mean twenty

984
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: three years. We have no clue what they would look

985
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: for in a coaching hire. None Like if Kyle Shanahan

986
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: disappeared tomorrow, I know what the forty nine ers will

987
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: look for an offensive coach. Why it's what they always hire.

988
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh. Tom Sulla was an embarrassment, Chip Kelly, Kyle Shanahan.

989
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: They tried to hire Josh McDaniels, Like they have a type.

990
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: They have the Eagles, what do they hire Doug Peterson,

991
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: sirianni Andy right? They before that when they had Ray Rhodes,

992
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: they had John Gruden and Sean Payton, like as offensive

993
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: coordinated offense is a big part of what Jeffrey Lourie

994
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: has thought. I got no clue about about Robert Craft.

995
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: So if I just had to take the safer out,

996
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, I just they'd hire Gerrod Maham. But

997
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: I would one hundred percent imagine that Jonathan Kraft, the younger,

998
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: probably more progressive for we're thinking future owner of the

999
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: team would probably want to talk to some of those guys,

1000
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: like who is the next Brian Dable, who ironically they

1001
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: had on the staff. Who is the next Josh McDaniels

1002
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: as a coordinator, right as a head coach potentially, you

1003
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So I would say everything would

1004
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: be on the tape. But yeah, I think it's fair

1005
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: to say that Girod Mayo, assuming the defense maintains they're

1006
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: comfortable with him. Also, who's their quarterback? Like, is Mac

1007
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 1: Jones a quarterback? Or do they kind of let Girod

1008
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: Mayo draft a quarterback? I don't know, it'd be It's

1009
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: going to be fascinating because whether it's this season, whether

1010
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: it's in two seasons, even if it goes weird, right,

1011
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: even if they miss the playoffs the next couple of years.

1012
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: Let's say he doesn't get fired this year, they give

1013
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: him another year and then he gets he goes like

1014
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: eight to nine and seven and ten, and then Bill

1015
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: retires fired. However, you know, I would imagine mutually depart

1016
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: however they word it, are people knocking down the doors

1017
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: to get that job? You go, well, Robert Craft very

1018
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: very loyal, and you'd be like, well, yeah, he's loyal

1019
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: because the guy was fucking winning thirteen games a year

1020
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: going you know, going to Super Bowl every other season,

1021
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: winning six of them. I mean, his loyalty was created

1022
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: out of his greatness. So it's easy to be loyal

1023
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: when you're having success. It's easy to be loyal when

1024
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: things are going really well. How many owners are loyal

1025
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: when things get a little rocky. This is why this

1026
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: season is going to be very, very telling. Really is

1027
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots, like, part of the way I

1028
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: do my show is like, what's fascinating. Part of the

1029
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: reason the Cowboys aren't that fascinating is, like, they're really good.

1030
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be compete to win the division.

1031
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: They should compete to win the NFC. Now when that changes,

1032
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: that's when to me it gets interesting when they lose games,

1033
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: right or when they win, like we'll react to it.

1034
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: But ultimately they're not that controversial. They're just they're good.

1035
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: They're well run. Right now, They've got a good team.

1036
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: The Patriots, to me, a lot of fucking weird shit

1037
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: going on. Belichick fighting first job, Mac Jones, Bill O'Brien,

1038
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: the craft getting edgy, a lot of people around the

1039
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: team reporting that No, like this is getting weird, Like

1040
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: I like that, Like I don't feel like McCarthy's getting

1041
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: that weird, like the Packers. What's Jordan love like that?

1042
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: To me? Is the story other than that? Like lafora

1043
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: going anywhere? They ain't got fire goodikins? Is Jordan Love

1044
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: any good to me? The Patriots have like eight different

1045
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: elements like are they just gonna finish last in that division?

1046
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: Or could they start knocking off some of these teams?

1047
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: Because if they did, that would be fascinating because that

1048
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: would be a whole domino effect. Miami, New York Hi

1049
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: John Big fan listens daily. Do you think that Dak

1050
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: is going to be sacked more since Zeke is gone?

1051
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: And he was an excellent pass blocker? You know, it's funny,

1052
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: that's something just I'm glad Zeke got a little credit

1053
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: for that. We don't talk about enough when it comes

1054
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: to running backs. Me, well, do you do it all? Right?

1055
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: Do you do it all? Ultimately? I don't pay DeVante

1056
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: Adams to block, but he will block. There's nothing he

1057
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: can't do. Short routes, long routes, intermedia routes, block play

1058
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: the run game. Great teammate like he does it. He's

1059
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: a total package. How many running backs in the NFL

1060
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: like it's a big knock on Saquon not a great

1061
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: pass protector. What do we talk about with pass protection?

1062
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, just blocking for the most important guy

1063
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: on the team, Adrian Peterson. Not a great pass protector. Now,

1064
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: he was running for eighteen hundred yards a season. I

1065
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: felt like, so you get away with it. Also, not

1066
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: great in the passing game. You can be flawed if

1067
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: your skills super elite, Like you would say, Derrick Henry

1068
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: is not an ideal pass catching back, right. It's weird

1069
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: because he's a great running back. He's great when he's

1070
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: moving in space because of his speed in his feet,

1071
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: but he's not like you don't view him as Alvin

1072
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: Kamara or Christian McCaffrey on like wheel routes and screen passes.

1073
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: It's just not really his game, even though it's not

1074
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: because he can't do it. It's just it's just not

1075
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: gonna be the best way to use him from a

1076
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: schematic standpoint. But he's so good and he can carry

1077
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: your team. He's proven it time and time again between

1078
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: the tackles that like you kind of deal with it.

1079
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's a question mark. Now who

1080
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: to me, the running back are they just going to be.

1081
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna morph into what McCarthy was with

1082
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: Green Bay for a long time. Much more pass happy,

1083
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: much less reliant on the run. Part of all Packer

1084
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: fans know this, like a big knock was we couldn't

1085
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: be really physical between the run when we had to

1086
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. We were so reliant on the passing

1087
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: game because it was so good in the regular season.

1088
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: Trust me, I was there the year they won the

1089
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the first round when they upset us

1090
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. I'm pretty sure, if memory serves me correct,

1091
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: is that James Starks was a running back, tall, linear guy.

1092
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: I think he had like a buck forty. They were

1093
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: really good at running the ball in that playoff run

1094
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: they had to do definitely in that the NFC Championship

1095
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: game against the Bears and that cold weather when Cutler

1096
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: got injured. So and it's not just running the ball.

1097
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: There's a physical nature that brought. That's why I think teams.

1098
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: You know, Belichick's interested because he does still have skills

1099
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: goal line runner, pass protection. Clearly a smart football player.

1100
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: He just isn't fast anymore. Okay, big fan of the pod.

1101
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: Probably the most casual golf fan you ever meet, but

1102
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: I like go Low. Even though the Bengals lost some

1103
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: pieces on defense Baits and Bell, do you think their

1104
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: defense will still be able to maintain their edge over

1105
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: the top AFC teams with lou An Arumo's scheme. I hope,

1106
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying that name right clearly. I just call him

1107
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: coach lou who. I would say this when you have

1108
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: an excellent defensive coordinator, And I saw this with Vic Fangio.

1109
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: I think you saw this with like Demiko and Sala.

1110
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: I think you've seen this historically with the Ravens and

1111
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: some of their defensive coordinators Wink Martindale. I think the

1112
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Giants think they have that with Wink. Now. I think

1113
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: the big reason Miami went to get Fangio is players

1114
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: come in, come out right. Ideally, you know, defense is

1115
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: a big part as much as about schematics and the

1116
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: x's and o's. You cannot be a great defensive coach

1117
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: without the jimmy's and the jokes. It's absolutely impossible. They're

1118
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: just some things that you cannot be Bill Parcells or

1119
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick without impact players on defense. Now, once you

1120
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: give an impact player to Fangio, to Belichick two parcels,

1121
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, to the great defense. I think Tomlin Lebo.

1122
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: They kick your ass that they work you right, No

1123
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: different than the NBA. You can't be a great NBA

1124
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: coach without a top twenty player. But I can give

1125
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant to five coaches, and if I give him

1126
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: to Phil Jackson or Steve Kurr, they're going to be

1127
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: better or Eric Spolstra than a lot of the random coaches. Right.

1128
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: But I think if coach lou is a legit coach,

1129
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: which listen, I've watched them now, just because they're playing

1130
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: in so many big games. They're so physical, they feel

1131
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 1: so well coached, and I would say, for the most part,

1132
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. You watch your team much closer, closer,

1133
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: and I do. But I remember if you put Joe

1134
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: Burrow on like the thirteen fourteen to fifteen version of

1135
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: the Bengals, I remember watching the Bengals. I think it

1136
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: would have been it would have been like twenty fifteen,

1137
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: Week one, they played the Raiders. It was Jack Delrio's

1138
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: first game as the Raider coach, and they beat the

1139
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: shit out of them. And I remember watching that team

1140
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: in warmups every defensive line Dunlop. I think Johnson. Their

1141
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: defensive line was huge. Their linebackers were massive. They had

1142
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: pac Man, they had the tall safety from Boise forget

1143
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: his name, kind of a weird last name. Offensively, they

1144
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: were loaded Whitworth and a little good running backs, cat back,

1145
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: they had good tight end, they had good wide receiver.

1146
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean that team was stacked. That team might have

1147
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: been definitely defensively more talented than the defense you have now.

1148
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: But I think your coach schematically and just it's not

1149
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: just schematically, there's an ability as a coach to communicate,

1150
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: like it's not just Andy's great plays. He's good with players, right,

1151
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: It's not just Pete Carroll's defense, Like Pete Carroll's goodle players.

1152
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: You know Kyle Shannan and Sean mcvag they're good with players.

1153
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: Part of what makes a good coach is not just

1154
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: your ability on the whiteboard or your ability to think

1155
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: about football and then take an idea to the whiteboard

1156
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: to the field. It's also just can you just hang

1157
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: out with them at lunch? Can you interact with them?

1158
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: Can you motivate them? And it clearly feels from the

1159
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: outside that when I watch your team like this is

1160
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: the tight knit group, a group that plays well together

1161
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: and there's a physicality. And you can always watch teams

1162
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: in the league and definitely in college that like, is

1163
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: physicality and toughness a standard on defense? Like is it

1164
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: something that's just we are not going to tolerate anything

1165
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: less than X. I've watched Jim Harbass teams now for

1166
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: well over a decade. If you're not cracking skulls on defense,

1167
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna play for him. You're just not

1168
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: If you are not smart and physical, it's hard to

1169
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: play for Belichick. It just is like you can't be

1170
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: dumb and be a pust. You're just not gonna get

1171
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: on the field. Right And some franchises, if you are

1172
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: fast or whatever, you can do it. But I think

1173
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: one thing you have with Cincinnati, and I think you

1174
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: have this with Marvin, you're just Andy wasn't quite good

1175
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: enough though. I think that one year that he heard

1176
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: his thumb, I thought you guys had a chance. Physicality

1177
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: always translates, and that's what's been weird about the Bills,

1178
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: right is last year, Like Sean McDermott is a tough guy.

1179
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: He's a tough guy, a tough discipline guy and his

1180
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: team just kind of got shoved around. Now, it could

1181
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: have been a factor of all the different circumstances, right, snowstorms,

1182
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: DeMar just they had a lot of weird shit happening.

1183
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: But I've always been very, very impressed with the Bengals physicality.

1184
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: This might be a first for you, but I'm a

1185
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: woman who's writing to you, not my guy using my

1186
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: account to write. Forty nine ers are on my team too. However,

1187
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: I've adopted Dan Campbell as my favorite coach from watching

1188
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks. Loved and Campbell as well. I also found

1189
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: it totally entertaining to watch the train wreck of the

1190
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: Cardinals season fall apart, I've become a much bigger NFL

1191
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: fan in general from watching Hard Knocks. I agree it

1192
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: could be more focused on football and less produced forcing

1193
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: the family life stuff, etc. My guess is a lot

1194
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: of women like me are watching these shows and becoming

1195
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: bigger fans like I did. Maybe at this point, Hard

1196
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: Knocks is less for hardcore football fan and more appealing

1197
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: to people like me who followed one team and now

1198
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: love to follow the whole sport in general. I don't

1199
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: disagree with you and It's why I always try to

1200
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: remove myself. Like the Quarterback Series, I made it through

1201
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: three episodes. I just I haven't finished it. I've just

1202
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: been busy. I'm not allowed to just watch football twenty

1203
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: four to seven. I do this for a job. Like

1204
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: sometimes on like a Tuesday, you know, she wants to

1205
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: watch a serial killer show. It's like, can I we

1206
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: watch the fourth episode of the Quarterback Show? And honestly,

1207
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't do that much for me, Like, yeah, I

1208
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: knew k Krikhusins was a great guy. I knew Mariotta

1209
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: high character guy. Like not really learning that much, but

1210
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: it's not not really for me. And I understand Hard

1211
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: Knocks not for me anymore, And there's nothing wrong with that,

1212
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: And I'm glad to hear like these shows. The more

1213
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: people that like the NFL, the better for my business.

1214
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: So I want the most people humanly possible to like

1215
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: the sport. I don't need. I already can consume enough information.

1216
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: So I talked, I have talked a lot of shit

1217
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: about Hard Knocks. I will watch it because we're going

1218
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: to talk about on the show Rogers. But at the

1219
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, if people like it and people

1220
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: are watching it, they're not going to cancel it, so

1221
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: what my opinion like, to me, it's just boring relative

1222
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: to what it used to be. But I'll be the

1223
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: first to admit, like things change, Adapter Die, they had

1224
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: to change one. The teams have a lot more juice now.

1225
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: Are not going to allow them to show guys getting cut.

1226
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: Like I understand from a jet standpoint when they say

1227
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: it's inhumane to show someone, I mean, I disagree with

1228
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: that a little bit, especially if you're just like, hey man,

1229
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: we need to get your playbook. It's one thing if

1230
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: you're showing them like undressing them and calling them a

1231
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: loser or lying to them. But I get on their

1232
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: standpoint not wanting to show that for me the authenticity

1233
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: of what training camp is. It takes away from that.

1234
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: And if we don't get to see the authenticity of

1235
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: the coaches meetings, which I also understand if I'm on

1236
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: the team side, not wanting to show my coaches talk

1237
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of shit about the players on our team,

1238
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: right because we always show the good stuff, or we

1239
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: show the guys that we know that like can kind of.

1240
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: I think last year on Hard Knocks, do Staley played

1241
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: a pretty big role and they did some stuff with

1242
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: him and DeAndre Swift him kind of pushing into that,

1243
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: and they'll still, I'm sure do that. I would imagine

1244
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: the Hard Knocks is going to be focused on Hackett

1245
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: Rogers Sala the comment Stalvin Cook. I mean this one,

1246
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't get any easier than this Hard Knocks, which

1247
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: will be entertaining in itself just on Rogers. But is

1248
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: it going to be a four hour show on Rogers.

1249
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: You've got to have to do some other stuff and

1250
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: they will surely pick an undrafted free agent. They'll sure

1251
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: really going to pick an assistant coach. But I hear you,

1252
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you like it. And I found the

1253
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: Lions one to be pretty entertaining as well, but just

1254
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: not doing as much for me as it used to.

1255
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: And it's hard, and maybe that's just part of life.

1256
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: Once you've watched something for twenty years, it's not quite

1257
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: as entertaining. So maybe I don't know if you've watched back.

1258
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean I was watching in like the ray Lewis

1259
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens days as a little kid. I thought it

1260
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: was incredible. Remember we first got HBO and Hard Knocks

1261
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: came on like this is a great show I've ever

1262
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: seen in my entire life. So maybe that's part of it. Right,

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Speaker 1: If you first start listening to a band by their

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Speaker 1: seventh album, you're like, ah, it's not quite the same.

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Speaker 1: That's just the way humans are wired. So I'm probably

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Speaker 1: guilty of that. And it just gets back to the

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Speaker 1: early two thousands hard knocks. We're special times, they really were,

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Speaker 1: and I'll just be nostalgic about it forever. Appreciate everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: Have a great day. We will talk probably in another day.

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Speaker 1: We will keep the football content rolling. Thanks to my

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Speaker 1: producer on the audio, Mike, my producer on the video,

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Speaker 1: James crushing it in the Content audio video game. I'm

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Speaker 1: just happy to be here, Happy to be here. The

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