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Speaker 2: let's get to the show everything. Good morning, everybody, It's Thursday.

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Speaker 2: We have a great show for everyone today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Rissell?

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Speaker 4: Indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: We have all the latest of the fallout in details

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Speaker 1: from President Biden's trip to Israel. We also have some

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Speaker 1: additional information which you can do with whatever you want,

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Speaker 1: about what happened with that hospital in Gaza, so we'll

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Speaker 1: break that down for you. We also have new questions

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Speaker 1: about how quickly humanitarian aid could move into.

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Speaker 4: Gaza after President Biden says that he was able to

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Speaker 4: strike a deal with.

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Speaker 1: Netanyahu, so we'll give you those details. We also have

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Speaker 1: some new details about how the White House is planning

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Speaker 1: on dealing with trying to get Ukraine aid and Israel

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Speaker 1: aid and border funding and Gaza humanitarian assistance through Congress.

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Speaker 1: Of course, right now there is no Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 1: so we are actually going to bring in Emily and

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Speaker 1: Kyle to talk about some domestic politics, both in terms of.

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Speaker 4: The speaker situation.

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Speaker 1: New poll, very interesting with regards to RFK and who

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Speaker 1: he hurts more in terms of the general elections, some

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Speaker 1: details about Cornell West campaign. And excited to bring you

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Speaker 1: the last of our results from that focus group down

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta with Democratic base voters.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, and just thank you to everybody's been

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Speaker 2: taking advantage. We do have a focus group special going

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Speaker 2: on right now. Everybody's been helping support our show. I

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Speaker 2: know it's been a lot of work on all of

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Speaker 2: our staff's behalf, not only the focus group, but you know,

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Speaker 2: keeping up with the day to day grind of Israel Palestine.

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Speaker 2: So appreciate everybody for your support and all that. It

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Speaker 2: does certainly mean a lot. With that, let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and get to the as you said, fallout really from

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Speaker 2: the trip President Biden going on the ground in Israel

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Speaker 2: after the cancelation of his follow on Arab summit in Jordan,

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Speaker 2: having to turn around and come back. He made these

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Speaker 2: comments while he was on the ground. Let's take a

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Speaker 2: listen to what he said when.

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Speaker 5: I come to Israel with a single message, You're not alone.

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Speaker 5: You are not alone as long as the United States

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Speaker 5: stands and we will stand forever. Well, not let you

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Speaker 5: ever be alone. We've seen it described as Israel's nine

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Speaker 5: to eleven. Well for a nation, the size of Israel

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Speaker 5: was like fifteen nine elevens. But I caution this. While

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Speaker 5: you feel that rage, don't be consumed by it. After

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Speaker 5: nine to eleven, we were en raised in the United States.

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Speaker 5: While we sow justice and got justice, we also made mistakes.

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Speaker 5: I'm the first dress president to visit at Israel in

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Speaker 5: time of war. I made wartime decisions. I know the

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Speaker 5: Troyas are never clear or easy.

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Speaker 3: For leadership.

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Speaker 5: There's always cost. It requires being delivered, requires asking very

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Speaker 5: hard questions. It requires clarity about the objectives and an

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Speaker 2: So that was an interesting That was basically a matchup

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Speaker 2: that our team did there. The major takeaway from the

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Speaker 3: The United States is behind you.

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Speaker 2: But a slight note of caution describing it though as

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Speaker 2: having participated in much of the war beating for up

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Speaker 2: is after critical meetings not only with Benjamin Netanyahu, but

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Speaker 2: we are learning more details from Israeli media about what

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Speaker 2: the next one, please. The Pentagon has already dispatched a

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Speaker 2: So this actually demonstrates crystal that behind the scenes, President

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Speaker 2: Was talked about deterrence, this carry a strike Group, but

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Speaker 2: but think nobody in Congress ever voted for this. Just

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Speaker 2: so we're all aware, you know, it's not like the

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Speaker 2: just again, the underscores that President Biden's visit was not

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Speaker 1: Something Emily and I covered yesterday is this report in

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Speaker 1: To make that decision, he'd be to notify Congress within

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Speaker 1: And we of course have seen many times presidents use

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Speaker 4: So the level of anger and outrage.

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Speaker 1: Throughout the region is incredibly heightened, which puts a lot

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Speaker 1: But there is a huge, huge risk here, and the

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Speaker 2: they've killed five IDF soldiers, not nothing. Imagine if somebody

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Speaker 3: The United States to get involved.

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Speaker 2: Now, imagine if a Hesbola rocket or something like that

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Speaker 2: This was a report from Barackravid. He is an Israeli

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Speaker 2: the rough translation by Google.

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Speaker 3: But it's been confirmed. This is just the gist of it,

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Speaker 2: US President Joe Biden has said during his meeting with

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Speaker 2: operation in Gaza will be protracted and will take time.

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Speaker 2: According to a senior Israeli official who is aware of

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Speaker 2: the contents of the meeting, let's go to the next one, please,

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Speaker 2: he says. Senior of Israeli officials have stated that Prime

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Speaker 2: Biden that the move to dismantle Hamas and change the

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Speaker 2: said that the operation in Gaza will be long and difficult.

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Speaker 3: If you factor it out more.

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Speaker 2: I was listening to a podcast by Jocko Willik and

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Speaker 6: That immediate military action that they took was really good.

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Speaker 2: humanitarian operations while we were in Iraq and the reason

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Speaker 2: why we had a broader strategic goal of winning over

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Speaker 2: the population. And yes, many of my men died on

440
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Speaker 2: similar operations, and I still had to explain to them

441
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Speaker 2: why this is part of a bigger picture.

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Speaker 3: He's like, that's leadership.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I wanted to play that because

444
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Speaker 2: you know, these are people who were battle hardened in

445
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Speaker 2: these exact type of conflicts and who intellectually had to

446
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Speaker 2: grapple with the exact same problem of an embedded jihadist

447
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Speaker 2: group inside of a mass urban environment, civilian populations.

448
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Speaker 3: They basically had to deal with all of us.

449
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Speaker 2: They also had to deal with more modern media, and

450
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Speaker 2: they are very very discordant with the current Israeli strategy

451
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Speaker 2: and they're they said multiple times, they're like, I think

452
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Speaker 2: Israel is losing, you know, in terms of the information operation.

453
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Speaker 2: What they mean by that is like the way that

454
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Speaker 2: the rest of the world I understanding the perception exactly

455
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Speaker 2: of what's happening. So I'm curious what you thought about

456
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Speaker 2: what he said.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's also important. I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people know who JOCKO is, but this is

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Speaker 1: not some like liberal left yeah yeah, which is part

460
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Speaker 1: of what gives them credibility here. And I think what

461
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Speaker 1: for me it underscores is that the truth of the

462
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Speaker 1: matter is net Yahu and his government these are no dummies. Really,

463
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Speaker 1: what the current program is about is vengeance. Because if

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Speaker 1: your goal was actually we're going to root out hamas

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Speaker 1: we're going to come to some sort of peaceful, more

466
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Speaker 1: secure situation visa VI the Palestinians. I mean, ultimately that

467
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Speaker 1: should look like some sort of statehood, but even leaving

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Speaker 1: that off of the table for now, just some sort

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Speaker 1: of more peaceful coexistence.

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Speaker 4: This is not what you would be doing.

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Speaker 1: And let alone the fact that they acknowledge they have

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Speaker 1: no plan for what it looks like going forward. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, there are doing what is very easy.

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Speaker 1: They are doing what is you know, direct like emotional

475
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Speaker 1: reaction to the horror that their population suffered. And you know,

476
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Speaker 1: emotionally you can understand that human instinct, even as you

477
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Speaker 1: recognize first of all, you are inflicting even more carnage

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Speaker 1: on civilians in Gaza, and second of all, it is

479
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Speaker 1: completely discordant with your stated goal. But to do what

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Speaker 1: Jocko is discussing here, I mean, you're going to lose

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Speaker 1: a lot of IDF soldiers. You're going to lose you know,

482
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Speaker 1: you're going to take a lot of casualties. It's going

483
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Speaker 1: to take a lot of time. It's going to take

484
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Speaker 1: you know, really acknowledging the humanity of Palestinians and really

485
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Speaker 1: you know, trying to not only win the messaging, but

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Speaker 1: in reality try to improve their lives. And then hanging

487
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Speaker 1: over this whole conversation about what we did in Iraq

488
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Speaker 1: and Afghanistan is.

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Speaker 4: That we did it really poorly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: So even with a better sort of theoretical philosophy about

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Speaker 1: how to approach taking out militants and winning over the population,

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Speaker 1: you know, tell me what's going on in Afghanistan right

494
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Speaker 1: now and how well this worked out over twenty years.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I really learned from Darryl

496
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Speaker 2: who highlighted and really taught me from his podcast about

497
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Speaker 2: the actual military capabilities of the idea is that the

498
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Speaker 2: last twenty years they're not It's not a good story.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and six was a nightmare against Lebanon. What

500
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Speaker 2: the IDF did is they were taking significant ground casualties

501
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Speaker 2: and they relied on what most modern militaries do is

502
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Speaker 2: they retreated and they just let the air force try

503
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Speaker 2: and do their work for them. But that was a

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Speaker 2: story that played out again. The last time that we

505
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Speaker 2: had major ground combat ground combat operations was twenty fourteen,

506
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Speaker 2: the major warre in Gaza. Huge portion of the city

507
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Speaker 2: was killed, like sorry, a huge portion of the city

508
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Speaker 2: was leveled. Twenty five hundred something people were killed. We

509
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Speaker 2: don't know yet how many of those people were Hamas,

510
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Speaker 2: but exact same story. IDF rolled in the Hamas had

511
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Speaker 2: learned a lot from two thousand and six hasbo Lah.

512
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Speaker 2: They tried to get as close to the Israelis as possible,

513
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Speaker 2: which means that the IDF can't come in and provide

514
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Speaker 2: ground support. And when you're engaged in a full blown

515
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Speaker 2: like it's almost like hand to hand combat where you're

516
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Speaker 2: flighting like block by block and it's just you know,

517
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Speaker 2: it's just guns against guns. Well, that is a great

518
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Speaker 2: equalizer for a lot of people, especially in urban combat environment.

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Speaker 3: It's the same thing.

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Speaker 2: The IDF was taken pretty bad casualties, they pulled back,

521
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Speaker 2: they relied more on ground operations and just absolutely bombed

522
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Speaker 2: the crap out of them. But in all of those situations,

523
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Speaker 2: what did we learn. It didn't actually eliminate Hamas and

524
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Speaker 2: it didn't necessarily even accomplish the military objective that they

525
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Speaker 2: wanted it to. So in this case, they are saying

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Speaker 2: we need to eliminate Hamas. That is very similar to

527
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Speaker 2: the US mission in Iraq during the surge or like,

528
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Speaker 2: we need to eliminate al Qaeda in Iraq, and it

529
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Speaker 2: sounds easy. We're like, okay, well we killed Zarkawi years earlier.

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Speaker 2: Why does this group even still exist. It turns out

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Speaker 2: that the population has been suppressed by the Shia majority,

532
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Speaker 2: and now there are these tribes which are allying with them.

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Speaker 2: We spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to buy

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Speaker 2: off tribal leaders, sending in our soldiers who all got

535
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Speaker 2: killed by the way, on behalf of trying to keep

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Speaker 2: these people safe and restore security and all that, and

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Speaker 2: as you point out, it still didn't needn't. Frankly, it

538
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Speaker 2: didn't work because we didn't commit to the strategy for

539
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Speaker 2: long enough peereriod of time, and that probably wasn't even

540
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Speaker 2: politically sustainable anyway. So what he said repeatedly is he's like, look,

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Speaker 2: if they were serious about this, you've got to separate

542
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Speaker 2: the population from the actual jihadis the best way to

543
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Speaker 2: do that is to convince the population that you believe

544
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Speaker 2: in their humanity and you want the best for them.

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Speaker 2: He even said, he's like, I would open the border

546
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Speaker 2: right now, and I'd bring these people in and being like, hey,

547
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Speaker 2: come work over here.

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Speaker 3: You can have a better life.

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Speaker 2: We're going to pay you, even in terms of a

550
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Speaker 2: humanitarian assistance he was talking about. He's like, you need

551
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Speaker 2: to have sector bisector, you need to secure it, you

552
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: could set up checkpoints, and then within that life needs

553
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Speaker 2: to be normal. You can get everything that you want,

554
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Speaker 2: and you need to draw as big of a contrast

555
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Speaker 2: as possible if you truly.

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Speaker 3: Want to eliminate this group.

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Speaker 2: And yes, it still would take years, but I think

558
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Speaker 2: what nobody's prepared themselves for in that scenario is what

559
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Speaker 2: we're talking about here is thousands of IDF soldiers that

560
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Speaker 2: have been killed. Yeah, thousands, and israel I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they've ever lost the number of people

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Speaker 2: that it would probably require to have a sustained counterinsurgency

563
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Speaker 2: campaign inside of Gaza. So then it comes back to like, now,

564
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Speaker 2: what you know, your only real option if you want

565
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Speaker 2: to eliminate Hamas without losing a lot of people, is

566
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Speaker 2: to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth. And

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Speaker 2: that's two point two million people with you know, a

568
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Speaker 2: million children, and I just don't think that that's a

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Speaker 2: politically sustainable solution in the current environment.

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Speaker 3: There's just simply, no way the Arab world would sit

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Speaker 3: back and.

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Speaker 1: Let that happen, not to mention probably shouldn't do a genocide. Yeah,

573
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Speaker 1: I know you're just trying to be analytical, but like,

574
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Speaker 1: I can't leave the morality out of the equation that

575
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Speaker 1: you're talking about genociding an entire population when.

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Speaker 4: And that kind of rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's much closer to the rhetoric that the

578
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Speaker 1: Israeli government is using versus what Jocko is suggesting and

579
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Speaker 1: what Biden has kind of hinted at of like, let's

580
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Speaker 1: be clear, not all Palestinians are Hamas.

581
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Speaker 4: You have to separate the two.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you have the President of Israel, Herzog saying, quote,

583
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Speaker 1: it is an entire nation out there that is responsible.

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Speaker 1: It is not true this rhetoric about villions not being aware,

585
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Speaker 1: not involved, It's absolutely not true. They could have risen up,

586
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Speaker 1: they could have fought against that evil regime which took

587
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Speaker 1: over Gaza in a coup desta. So making the case

588
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Speaker 1: that no, we don't really believe in this whole innocent

589
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Speaker 1: civilian concept. That's their messaging, and that I think is

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Speaker 1: in part what Jocko is responding to here. Of you know,

591
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Speaker 1: even if you are on israel side and you want

592
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Speaker 1: them to win this war and you want you know,

593
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Speaker 1: their messaging and propaganda to win the day, they are

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Speaker 1: going in the polar opposite direction. The other thing I

595
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Speaker 1: would say is like we already have a track record

596
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Speaker 1: of this specific approach from Israel. They have been mowing

597
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Speaker 1: the grass in Gaza, which is basically like you know,

598
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Speaker 1: periodic indiscriminate bombing of you know, some Hamas terrorists and

599
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: lots of civilians and lots of civilian infrastructure over many

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Speaker 1: years now.

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Speaker 4: And guess what, it has not worked.

602
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Speaker 1: It is only further served to radicalize the population, and

603
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Speaker 1: you know, hasn't done anything to weaken Humas. And of

604
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Speaker 1: course that's putting aside the fact that people like Netnya

605
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Speaker 1: who thought it was beneficial to actually strengthen Humas because

606
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Speaker 1: they knew that it would help to thwart a potential

607
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Speaker 1: Palestinian statehood movement to have this you know, evil foil

608
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Speaker 1: out there for them to use. So they are going

609
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Speaker 1: in the polar opposite direction of what Jocko is suggesting there.

610
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Speaker 4: And then I would again just remind that even.

611
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Speaker 1: If they followed his advice to a t it's not

612
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Speaker 1: like this really worked out well for US in Iraq

613
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Speaker 1: or Afghanistan, and so it seems like, you know, I

614
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Speaker 1: don't even know if it's not it's that the lessons

615
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: weren't learned, it's that they're not really interested in learning

616
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Speaker 1: those lessons right now. And I think part of it

617
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Speaker 1: also does come from netnya who's incredibly precarious political position

618
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Speaker 1: where he's desperate to hold on to power. And so

619
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Speaker 1: if what the Israeli population wants right now, just as

620
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Speaker 1: we did after nine to eleven, is vengeance and that's

621
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Speaker 1: what feels good, he's not thinking too far in the fire.

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Speaker 4: That's what he's going to deliver.

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Speaker 3: Well, then they can find it out the way that

624
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Speaker 3: the United States did.

625
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Speaker 2: After you lose you know, fifteen hundred or so of

626
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Speaker 2: your soldiers and you have a heightened domestic terrorist issue

627
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Speaker 2: and you have to spend a couple of trillion dollars.

628
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Speaker 2: We're all trying to save you trillions and.

629
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Speaker 3: Also save lives.

630
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Speaker 2: But they can go through the exact same painful growing

631
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Speaker 2: periods that we did. That's very unfortunate. But you know,

632
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: as Mark Twain famously might have said, history rhymes, So

633
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: there you go.

634
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Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about where we are

635
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Speaker 1: with regard to humanitarian aid, because, of course, the situation

636
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Speaker 1: on the ground in Gaza continues to worsen as they

637
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Speaker 1: suffer through these siege conditions with little water, no electricity,

638
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: little food, no fuel, et cetera. One of the goals

639
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: that Biden claimed for his visit to Israel was to

640
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Speaker 1: try to make some sort of a deal to secure

641
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Speaker 1: some sort of quarter for humanitarian aid to pass into

642
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Speaker 1: the strip.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to a little bit of what

644
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Speaker 4: he had to say.

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Speaker 8: Work this out.

646
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Speaker 9: Was he reluctant to do?

647
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Speaker 10: It's complete?

648
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Speaker 5: Well, I've had a decent relationship with him. He's got

649
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 5: he's got his own problems on other issues. He's got

650
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Speaker 5: his entire border, there's wars going on the side of

651
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Speaker 5: his country. And so he was U I've known a while.

652
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Speaker 5: He was sure to say, very cooperative. I mean there

653
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Speaker 5: was now I thought I'd have to spend more time

654
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Speaker 5: trying to convince him on the timing, But he was.

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Speaker 5: He still stepped up, and as did as his babie,

656
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Speaker 5: and and I was as well. They probably told you

657
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Speaker 5: I was very blunt with the Israelis and uh guse Look,

658
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Speaker 5: Israel has been badly victimized. But you know the truth

659
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Speaker 5: is that if they have an opportunity to relieve suffering, uh,

660
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Speaker 5: people who are have nowhere to go, they're going to

661
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Speaker 5: be It's what they should do, and if they don't,

662
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Speaker 5: it'll be held account ways that may be unfair, but

663
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Speaker 5: that's what being too. And my point to everyone is, look,

664
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Speaker 5: if you have an opportunity to alleviate the pain, you

665
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Speaker 5: should do it, period. And if you don't, you're going

666
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Speaker 5: to lose credibility worldwide.

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Speaker 1: So warning there that if they don't take steps to

668
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Speaker 1: move aid and they have the ability to alleviate pain,

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Speaker 1: they will lose credibility worldwide. Let me give you the

670
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Speaker 1: details of the deal that was announced. Put this up

671
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Speaker 1: on the screen. This is per BB dot Yahoo's office.

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Speaker 1: He says, in light of the overwhelming and vital support

673
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Speaker 1: from the US and the light of US President Joe

674
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Speaker 1: Biden's demand for basic humanitarian aid to be able to

675
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Speaker 1: reach Gaza, Israel's War Cabinet has decided the following number one.

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Speaker 1: Israel will not allow any humanitarian aid to be delivered

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Speaker 1: from its territory to the Gaza Strip until the hostages being.

678
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Speaker 4: Held by terror groups are returned.

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Speaker 1: Number two, Israel demands Red Cross be able to visit

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Speaker 1: hostages and will work to mobilize international support for this demand.

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Speaker 1: Number three Israel will not, and this is the key one,

682
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Speaker 1: will not thwart humanitarian supplies from reaching Gaza from Egypt

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Speaker 1: as long as it is only food, water, and medicine

684
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Speaker 1: for the civilian population in the strip. Any supplies that

685
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Speaker 1: reach Hamas will be thwarted by Israel. So this all

686
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Speaker 1: comes back to that Rafa crossing, which has been bombed

687
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Speaker 1: four times in recent days. So there is damage to

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Speaker 1: the roads there. You know, even with them saying okay,

689
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Speaker 1: we're not going to thwart the AID coming through, it

690
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Speaker 1: is a lot more complex than just you know, now

691
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Speaker 1: those trucks can roll in, the roads actually have to

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Speaker 1: be repaired before the trucks can.

693
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Speaker 4: Even come in.

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Speaker 1: The White House is indicating that could happen over today

695
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Speaker 1: and perhaps AID could enter tomorrow. There are hundreds of

696
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Speaker 1: trucks that are masked at that border. You also have

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Speaker 1: all kinds of you know, foreign nationals, including American citizens

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Speaker 1: that are masked at that border, and lots of Palestinians

699
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Speaker 1: also who are right there. Because of promises that were

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Speaker 1: made from the US about oh, American citizens are going

701
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Speaker 1: to be able to pass through. Well that has not

702
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Speaker 1: come to fruition whatsoever. But you at this point have

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Speaker 1: hundreds of trucks that are lined up there waiting for

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Speaker 1: the go ahead and waiting for those roads to be

705
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Speaker 1: fixed so that they could roll through. So far they're

706
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Speaker 1: saying they're only going to allow twenty trucks through. You know,

707
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Speaker 1: we're getting word from from various authorities and you know,

708
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Speaker 1: people who are focused on humanitarian aid that one of

709
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Speaker 1: the critical needs here is water. There are reports and

710
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Speaker 1: figures that people now only have three leaders of clean

711
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: water per person today. The absolute minimum that they should need,

712
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Speaker 1: you know, bare bones, is fifteen leaders for drinking, cooking,

713
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Speaker 1: and basic hygiene. So there's a long way to go

714
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Speaker 1: here before you actually have significant aid rolling into Gaza

715
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Speaker 1: to help the people there who desperately, desperately need it.

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Speaker 4: And Saga.

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before, but just so people remember what

718
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Speaker 1: a dire situation this is with regard to water in particular,

719
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Speaker 1: in the best of times, the majority of water in

720
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Speaker 1: Gaza is not drinkable, not potable. So when you have

721
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Speaker 1: this additional siege light conditions. You've had hospital workers so

722
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Speaker 1: desperate they're drinking IV bags. You've had reports of people

723
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Speaker 1: drinking seawater, you know, really having to limit and curtail

724
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Speaker 1: their use of water. There's also a lot of concerns

725
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Speaker 1: about sewage treatment, and of course with aunt electricity, it's

726
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: it's just a very dire situation.

727
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Speaker 4: So hopefully this aid can roll through.

728
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Speaker 1: But what they're discussing right now would be a real

729
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Speaker 1: drop in the bucket of the overall need.

730
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the real thing, and yeah, I think what is it?

731
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Speaker 2: The number is twenty trucks of aid that I've seen

732
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Speaker 2: floated from the Egyptians and from the US. My also

733
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Speaker 2: major concern is what about our citizens who are currently

734
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Speaker 2: trapped inside of Gaza. As I mentioned, my friend Trey

735
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Speaker 2: yinst Over at Fox News had an interview with an

736
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Speaker 2: American woman inside of Gaza.

737
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Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

738
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Speaker 2: How are you feeling right now?

739
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Speaker 3: Just as an American citizen?

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Speaker 7: They you know, I'm an American citizen.

741
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Speaker 4: I'm not helping us to leave Gaza.

742
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Speaker 11: We're trapped here.

743
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Speaker 12: They start bombing at night morning, Like you.

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Speaker 13: We stay in one room everyone because in Gaza they don't.

745
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: Have shelters under the grounds like Israel, so no one has.

746
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Speaker 7: A safe bawt the house to stay in, so everyone

747
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Speaker 7: stays in the winder.

748
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Speaker 10: Room and people to stay bombed the house you're in, everyone.

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Speaker 4: Dies, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can just hear the terror in her voice there, Crystal,

751
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: what she's describing, And yeah, well, I mean, this is

752
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Speaker 2: a woman as an American citizen, and we've gone to

753
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Speaker 2: extraordinary links correctly to get our citizens out of Israel.

754
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Speaker 2: But you know, the Egyptian and the Israeli government have

755
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Speaker 2: not been playing ball with us really at all. It's

756
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: interesting too. I've watched some of the mainstream commentariat be like, hey,

757
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Speaker 2: we give all this money to Egypt and Jordan and

758
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: they don't even meet with our president. It's disgraceful. And

759
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, are we setting a standard where we

760
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Speaker 2: give you a ton of money that maybe you should

761
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Speaker 2: listen to something that we say and actually show us

762
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Speaker 2: some respect, because I would love for that standard to

763
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Speaker 2: be applied to Saudi Arabia or Ukraine, maybe a little

764
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Speaker 2: country called Ukraine that we've given more money than probably

765
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Speaker 2: anyone else except for Israel, which also doesn't necessarily listen

766
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Speaker 2: to us.

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Speaker 1: But the thing all the time, when the aid has

768
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Speaker 1: zero conditions, and when you're out there just saying like yeah,

769
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Speaker 1: we'll be with you no matter what doesn't matter, then

770
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Speaker 1: of course then like there's no leverage being used here. Well,

771
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: we could have leverage in the situation, we choose impotence.

772
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: It's all on all on our leaders. At the same time,

773
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Speaker 1: another thing I want to point out, the US just

774
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Speaker 1: vetoed a UN resolution that would have condemned all violence

775
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Speaker 1: against civilians in Israel and in Gaza with Palestinians. They

776
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Speaker 1: said it was too early to craft and appropriate Security

777
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Speaker 1: Council response, and in particular they took issue with the

778
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Speaker 1: fact that there was not language in there underlying Israel's

779
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: right to self defense. So in terms of you know

780
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: what's happening at the UN, for whatever it's worth, we

781
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: vetoed that resolution which would have condemned violence and called

782
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: for humanitarian aid to Gaza and condemned violence on both

783
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Speaker 1: the Israeli and the Palestinian side.

784
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Speaker 4: So that's where we.

785
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Speaker 2: Are with that.

786
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Speaker 1: But you know, with that audio that we just played

787
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Speaker 1: of this American woman who is stuck in Gaza, think

788
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Speaker 1: of how dark and chilling that is, there are no

789
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: bomb shelters, So their strategy isn't like, here's how we're

790
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: going to protect ourselves. It's we're all going to be

791
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: in one room so that if we get hit by missiles,

792
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: we all die, that we all die. Like that's how grim,

793
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: that is, how grim it is. And I also want

794
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: to underscore, you know, Israel told one point one million

795
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: Gazans to leave the northern part of Gaza and go

796
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: to the southern part of Gaza, with the idea being

797
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: like that's where safety would be. But that is not

798
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: turned out to be the case whatsoever. There are plenty

799
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Speaker 1: of air strikes that are happening in southern Gaza as well.

800
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Speaker 1: So people really feel like, and you've had you've had

801
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: apartment buildings hit. Let's put the hospital aside. We're going

802
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: to get to that in just a minute. You've had

803
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: apartment buildings hit, you've had residential houses level, you've had

804
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: marketplaces hit, moss, you've had other medical facilities, you've had

805
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: place you know, schools that people had sought relief at.

806
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: All of these places have been bombed and leveled, and

807
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: so people really feel like there is just literally nowhere

808
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: I could go right now and be safe. And they

809
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: are completely trapped in Gaza, whether they.

810
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Speaker 4: Want to be or not.

811
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 3: I hope we get our people out of there.

812
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk about the very latest in terms

813
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Speaker 1: of what we know with regards to this horrific explosion

814
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Speaker 1: at the hospital all of the you know, it's even

815
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: unclear right now what the death count is, what the

816
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: casualty number is, but we've seen from the photos there

817
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: was absolutely horrific carnage here. So we've got some new

818
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: evidence on kind of both sides of the equation. I'm

819
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Speaker 1: just going to lay it out and you all can

820
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Speaker 1: make of it whatever you will. The first piece that

821
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Speaker 1: I think is really critical here is actual photos in

822
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Speaker 1: daylight of what the explosion and the fallout at this

823
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: hospital was. Let's go and put this up on the screen.

824
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Speaker 4: So you can see.

825
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Speaker 1: It looks like whatever happened here did not hit the

826
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Speaker 1: hospital directly. It was in this courtyard where all of

827
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Speaker 1: these cars are. And you know, one of the one

828
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Speaker 1: of the things that people who thought this was Israeli

829
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: missile we're saying is listen, this was way too much

830
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: damage for a Hamas rocket. This paints a little bit

831
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Speaker 1: of a different picture, because now there's a theory of

832
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: all right, but it could have been you know, Islamic

833
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: Jahad or Hamas rocket that you know, missfire and falls

834
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Speaker 1: into this courtyard and then ignites a fire with the

835
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: fuel in these cars. So these photos, you know, give

836
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Speaker 1: some credence to that potential theory.

837
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Speaker 4: You also have Biden.

838
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Speaker 1: You know, yesterday we told you that he indicated he

839
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Speaker 1: thought it was done by the other team, which I

840
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: could really do without the casual like sports team analogies

841
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: here when you're talking about human life.

842
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Speaker 4: But we'll put that aside for a second.

843
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Speaker 1: At that time, he did not indicate whether that was

844
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Speaker 1: based on what the Israeli government was telling him or

845
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Speaker 1: whether that was based on our own intelligence assessments. He

846
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: later clarified that this was based on our own intel community.

847
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what he has to say.

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Speaker 14: Deeply said and outrage by the explosion at the hospital

849
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Speaker 14: and cousing yesterday. And based on what I've seen, it

850
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Speaker 14: appears as though it was done by the other team,

851
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Speaker 14: not you. But there's a lot of people out there

852
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Speaker 14: not sure. So we've got a lot We're going to

853
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Speaker 14: overcome a lot of things.

854
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Speaker 5: The hospital people all over the region are upset about

855
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Speaker 5: the hospital.

856
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Speaker 2: And don'tus SOSIY believe you or the Israelis that they

857
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Speaker 2: didn't have anything.

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Speaker 11: Do they drew a messages to the people in the streets.

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Speaker 5: Right now or if you understand why in this circumstance

860
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Speaker 5: they wouldn't leave. I can understand that, but I would

861
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Speaker 5: not notice, I know, safe things like that unless I

862
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Speaker 5: have faith in the source so much on our Defense

863
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 5: Department says it's highly unlikely that Israelis, but if a

864
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Speaker 5: different flip fan and intercept us anyway, And so that's

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Speaker 5: why I noticed. I didn't say it first, and I

866
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Speaker 5: want to make sure that I knew and look, and

867
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Speaker 5: I'm not suggesting that Hermosque that.

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Speaker 15: Literally did it either.

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Speaker 5: It's that old thing.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot of shoe student, you know.

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Speaker 5: And it's not the first time Hermas says wanted something

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Speaker 5: that couldn't function very well. So I don't know all

873
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Speaker 5: the detail that I do know. If people at the

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Speaker 5: Defense Department who I respect in tells the community that

875
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Speaker 5: I respect is highly improbable, it is really so.

876
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: The official statement from a spokeswound for the National Security

877
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: Council is quote, the US government assesses that Israel was

878
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: not responsible for an explosion that killed hundreds of civilians

879
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: yesterday at that hospital. Our assessment is based on available reporting,

880
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: including intelligence, missile activity, and open source video and images

881
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: of the incident. I'll just give you a little bit

882
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: more details of what the intelligence community is anonymously telling

883
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: the New York Times. They're cautioning this analysis is preliminary.

884
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: They were continuing to collect and analyze evidence. Neither side's

885
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: claims about whose response will been independently verified still by

886
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: any news outlet. And this is part of the problem

887
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: is that journalists buy and large not allowed into Gaza

888
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: to be able to see for themselves and interview people

889
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: and try to assess the evidence that exists that American

890
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: intelligence includes satellite and other infrared fread data showing a

891
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: launch of a Rocketer missile from Palestinian fighter positions within Gaza.

892
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: American intelligence agencies have also analyzed open source video recordings

893
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: collected by journalists and others of the want showing it

894
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: did not come from the direction of Israeli military positions,

895
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: according to those officials. Israeli officials have also provided the

896
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: US with intercepts. We're going to get to that a

897
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: minute of Hamas officials allegedly saying the strike came from

898
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: forces aligned with Palestinian militant groups. Of course, I don't

899
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: have to tell you that US intel community and the

900
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: Israeli intel community have every incentive here to paint things

901
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: is in a certain portrait.

902
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 4: But that is what they are saying.

903
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: We do have a little bit of an independent investigation

904
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: from the BBC of open source information basically that is available.

905
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up on the screen. This

906
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: BBC investigation. They took some of the photos of the

907
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: site and they were actually able to get one of

908
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: their journalists into Gaza to also talk to people on

909
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: the ground and get like eyewitness reports about what they

910
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: say happened here. But they contacted twenty different think tanks,

911
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: universities and companies with weapons expertise. Nine of them did

912
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: not respond, five couldn't say either way, and then there

913
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Speaker 1: were experts that they spoke to. At the remaining six,

914
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: they asked whether the available evidence, including the size of

915
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: the explosion the sounds heard beforehand, could use to determine

916
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: the cause of the hospital blast. So far they say

917
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: the findings are inconclusive. But they did have three experts

918
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: who say it is not consistent with what you would

919
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: expect from a typical Israeli airstrike with a large munition.

920
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: They were looking at things like the size of the crater.

921
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: They were looking at the size of the fire. They

922
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: were looking at the videos and the flashes that were

923
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: in the sky. One person says they likely indicate the

924
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: projectile was a rocket with an engine that overheated and

925
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: stopped working.

926
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 4: So that's what they said.

927
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: Let me get you in on this and then I'll

928
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: tell you the piece on the other side as well.

929
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest. This is the difficulty of really

930
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: covering and operating all this approach for with extreme skepticism

931
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: from the beginning. The big issue that has happened here

932
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: was with Hamas specifically they have I'm not even going

933
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: to say I had any credibility with them, but for

934
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: them to come out immediately and say that the hospital

935
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: itself was destroyed and then report a death count which

936
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: is clearly now not accurate, that does a tremendous blow

937
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: for our ability to even trust the most basic casualty

938
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Speaker 2: information that was coming out of there, which I think

939
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: most of the international community previously. I'm not saying that

940
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 2: they weren't skeptical, but previously they're like, yeah, this like

941
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: roughly tracks with an independent assessment, So good luck to

942
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: them now from now on out, because it's not like

943
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: you can really believe it out in terms of the pictures.

944
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: The pictures themselves, and based on evidence and testimony that

945
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: I reviewed from people who were former Human Rights Watch

946
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 2: investigators and others who do not have an agenda and

947
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: previously been highly critical of Israel, they say it's not

948
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: consistent with the Jadam, which is what the type of

949
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: munition that the Israelis typically drop on Gaza and would

950
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: be more likely to be What the Israelis are claiming

951
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: is that it's a misfired Palestindi and Islamic jihad group

952
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: rocket that fell tragically misfired and fell onto this parking lot,

953
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 2: because the hospital itself remains standing, the scorch burd marks

954
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: that are on the top of the vehicles, the smaller

955
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: crater that is inside of the hospital, and all of

956
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: that combined with the images themselves, which just don't appear

957
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: consistent with the what other images of Israeli strikes inside

958
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: God's which traws a tremendous amount more damage, not necessarily carnage,

959
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: because carnage is different because it could be. And that's

960
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: just only honestly highlights how packed Goza is there. All

961
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: these people are in this freaking parking lot because they

962
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: thought it was safe. So it's a tragedy and a situation.

963
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: From all of that, the only skepticism I have is

964
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: that the transparent nature of how I'm not gonna say fabricated,

965
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: but suspect that much of the evidence is really is

966
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: put out is difficult for me, and I think that's

967
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 2: where some of us have to be honest, where their

968
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: evidence that they put out actually made me more skeptical,

969
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: Whereas if I had just looked at this from photos

970
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: in daylight, I'm.

971
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 3: Like, all right, it wasn't.

972
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: In narrowly it is really strike and I still actually

973
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: believe that, you know, based on what I saw. But

974
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: the stuff that they put out has honestly only poisoned

975
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: the well more in terms of what they've released. You

976
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: guys covered it yesterday releasing a video with the wrong

977
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: time stamp than deleting it. And then yeah, if you

978
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: want to get into the transcript of the conversation that

979
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: they put out, where I would almost tell them, my

980
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: black guys, you just shit this out because a lot

981
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: of people don't believe you. There are some serious questions

982
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: about much of the stuff that you've put out there.

983
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: The best thing you have going for you right now

984
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: are the actual photos of the damn parking lot.

985
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well, because I mean part of the reason

986
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: the parking lot piece and like the size of the

987
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: crater is so Hamas rockets.

988
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: Have literally never caused this much damage.

989
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: And while we don't know the exact death count, I

990
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: mean there was a significant loss of life here, huge

991
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: numbers of people who were killed. I mean we've seen

992
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: the videos of the dead and the wounded. It was

993
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: obviously a grave catastrophe, whatever the specific death count is.

994
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: So when you look at that and you're like, there's

995
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: never been an Islamic Jahad or Hamas rocket, which are

996
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: these like rinky dink Frankenstinian cobbled together from like leftover

997
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: Israeli missiles, they have never caused this much damage. That

998
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: puts questions in your head. And I mean there's also

999
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: just like Israel's bombing the hell out of Palace out

1000
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: of Gaza right now, their whole like, oh, we would

1001
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: never target hospitals is bullshit. They even this specific hospital

1002
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: was damaged days earlier. They've hit medical facilities in this

1003
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: specific war, not to mention going back historically, and you know,

1004
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: with a variety of situations, but specifically we'll talk about

1005
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: Shri Naboo Aklade like they've been caught basically fabricating evidence

1006
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: in the past.

1007
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 4: So that's why.

1008
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: People were immediately skeptical. You shouldn't believe what Hama says.

1009
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: You should not believe what the Israelis say either. And

1010
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: let me tell you. Let me give you a couple

1011
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: pieces here. So number one, let's put this up on

1012
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: the screen from Kent Roth. This is per Lamon, but

1013
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: I've seen other outlets also validate this. At this point,

1014
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: they report that this hospital had already been damaged by

1015
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: Israeli bombings on October fourteenth, and on October fifteenth, they

1016
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: had done these like you know, little they call them

1017
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: like a warning or a like knock on the roof.

1018
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: Israeli army had called the hospital's director to tell him

1019
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: those two shots were warnings to evacuate, according to the

1020
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: local health ministry, but again has also been independently verified.

1021
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 4: A saw in the New York Times this morning, for example.

1022
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: That this specific hospital they had hit with minor damage

1023
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: twice on October fourteenth and October fifteenth, said you have

1024
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: to evacuate and then so then you know, it doesn't

1025
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: seem crazy that then it was actually hit at least

1026
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: in the courtyard by something. So that's one piece of evidence.

1027
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: On the other side, the other one is you reference this.

1028
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: So we already had the video that they put out

1029
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: that they had to delete because it had the wrong

1030
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: time stands. They got called out immediately like this is

1031
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: not the same strike that you know hit this hospital.

1032
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 4: What are you doing? So they had to delete it.

1033
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: Then they claim to have additional visual evidence and this

1034
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: intercepted conversation between what they are claiming is two Hamas

1035
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: militants that has really been called into question for its veracity.

1036
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to this is a British news channel,

1037
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: as Channel four talking about this quote unquote intercepted conversation.

1038
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 16: They present what they say is to has operatives talking

1039
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 16: about the.

1040
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 13: Attack of the supers.

1041
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 4: Have you.

1042
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 16: Hamas called this an obvious fabrication. Two independent Arab journalists

1043
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 16: told us the same thing because of the language accent dialect, syntax,

1044
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 16: and tone, none of which is they say credible. Equally,

1045
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 16: Israel claims the Islamic you had failed missile was fired

1046
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 16: from here, a cemetery very close to the hospital. But

1047
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 16: look again at the video of the event. The trajectory

1048
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 16: of the missile doesn't line up with that location. Too high,

1049
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 16: too horizontal. Confusingly, the Israeli's presentation also says the missile

1050
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 16: was fired from a location down in the southwest. It

1051
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 16: can't be both Islamiger had say it was an Israeli missile,

1052
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 16: and they have the warhead to prove it, but they

1053
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 16: haven't produced it.

1054
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: Well, release the damn warhead, Yeah for sure.

1055
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again this would all be.

1056
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: This could be ameliorated if journalists were allowed into gazas.

1057
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: You could have more independent verification because we're relying on

1058
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, propaganda both sides.

1059
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 4: But if you I don't.

1060
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: Speak Arabic, I have no idea what a local Gaza

1061
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: accent sounds like.

1062
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: But there were you know, I was seeing a lot of.

1063
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: People online who were saying, this does not sound like

1064
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: a local Gaza accent. And then you have two independent

1065
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: journalists who were saying, no, I'm not buying it from

1066
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: the tone, the like, the way they're talking, the expressions

1067
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: they're using. This doesn't sound like it at all, And

1068
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: just reading the conversation itself is so stilted as to

1069
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,479
Speaker 1: be sort of ridiculous. They're like, yes, it was certainly us,

1070
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: it was definitely not the Israelis. And another piece they

1071
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: point out is that their claimate came from the cemetery.

1072
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't line up with the visual evidence. So there

1073
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: you go.

1074
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. Look, I don't know. I'm not ammunitions expert.

1075
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't speak any Arabic. I can barely order food

1076
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: or not coffee. That's the extent of what I've got.

1077
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 4: What I know to say, thank you.

1078
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there you go. In terms of how it

1079
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: all goes for me, it has nothing to do with

1080
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: anything that the States have put out. It is purely

1081
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: based on what you see from there, and again from

1082
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: munitions and analysts, experts who are attached to organizations here

1083
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: in the West, who I believe not have an agenda

1084
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 2: that's not the best from my analysis and of theirs,

1085
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: And based on all that, it doesn't seem to me

1086
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: like it was in Israeli strike.

1087
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: So there it is. I just think though that I

1088
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, it is difficult.

1089
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: This has become some sort of like massive crisis online.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious what you think of it. You know, for

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Speaker 2: all of that it is, I have sympathy for the

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00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: people who believe it was the Israelis. I think most

1093
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: people did to be honest, and I think correct it

1094
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: was a very logical explanation. At the same time, I

1095
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 2: think it's a good lesson that we can all move

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00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: in forward, like we cannot really believe.

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00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: A single word that Hamas says.

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: We have to be deeply skeptical from all of them,

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00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, like Rashida Talib and ilhan Omar

1100
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Speaker 2: and all that. I honestly do think they should delete

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00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: their tweets at this point. I did think because based

1102
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: upon the evidence or the very least, they should come

1103
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: forward and should clarify their core message was not a

1104
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: bad one and it is not unacceptable or pro terrorist.

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00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: If you go and you read what they were saying

1106
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 2: is they're like, look, we want to stop hostilities.

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Speaker 3: People want to die.

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Speaker 2: And I think, look, I will not live in a

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00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 2: world where that is not acceptable discourse In the United

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00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 2: States of America. So anyway, that's my take for all

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00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: of this, for the assessment and all of that, be

1112
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: skeptical and you should wait.

1113
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Speaker 3: I'm glad that you guys.

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00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: I'm actually very thankful that you guys didn't come on

1115
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: the air until the next morning when there were more

1116
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: details and you could offer more And now you know,

1117
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: we're forty eight hours or away.

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00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 3: So into this.

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Speaker 2: I will say, though, the most annoying take that I've

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Speaker 2: heard on this is they're like, it's the New York

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00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: Times fault for reporting what Hamas said that there were

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00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: protests in Lebanon. I'm like, yeah, you know, guys in

1123
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Speaker 2: Lebanon are like, hey, let's go storm the US embassy

1124
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 2: because the New York Times said so, right, not because

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00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 2: they're you know, shthead friend on WhatsApp is like, brother,

1126
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: they have done this based upon what Hamas says. It's like,

1127
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: if you really believe that you don't know anything about

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Speaker 2: the Middle East or about how these people getting in

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Speaker 2: their news.

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Speaker 1: It's preposterous to imagine that the US media is anti Israel.

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00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 4: There is that's a whole zero.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at the language they use about,

1133
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, the humanity they grant rightfully, so to the

1134
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 1: Israeli citizens who were killed versus the way Palestinians are treated.

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00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: And look at the way they've covered this conflict, there

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00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: is no doubt which side they tend to favor. So

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Speaker 1: I think the idea that you know, New York Times

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00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: or any of these US based media outlets are anti

1139
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: Israel anyway is completely absurd. But you know, the last

1140
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: thing I'll say, just to put all of this in context,

1141
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: is you already have thousands of Palestinians who've been killed.

1142
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Speaker 1: You have over a thousand Palestinian children who have been killed.

1143
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: You have a million Palestinians in Gaza who have been displaced,

1144
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: You have a dire humanitarian situation. Like whatever happened with

1145
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: this hospital doesn't take away from the fact war is hell.

1146
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: The carnage is horrific, and this is only just the beginning.

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00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: So I do agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I will say though, that you do they do a

1149
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: desperate at a disservice to their cause whenever they're caught

1150
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: lying like this, and so it's important to be It's

1151
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: important to be accurate, you know, if you're going to

1152
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: be Yeah.

1153
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 4: That's true for Israel too. Lie all the time.

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00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: Of course, here I'm not talking about them. I'm talking

1155
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: about people in the United States who are boosters of

1156
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: their cause. It's like it just makes you, like, I think,

1157
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: to leave in an ilhan Omar, they look like fools,

1158
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: you know, for immediately jumping on this and they haven't

1159
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: deleted it, they haven't even addressed it. I mean, look,

1160
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: you know you already know when you're in a position

1161
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 2: of weakness, like you have to do everything in your

1162
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 2: power in order to bolster the ground that you stand

1163
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: on because you know that your critic. I mean, we

1164
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: know this when on Ukraine, right, Like the media can

1165
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: lie about Ukraine ten out of ten times, and nobody's

1166
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: going to say a damn right. If we say one

1167
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: wrong thing one out of ten times, that's it. The

1168
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: next nine out of ten, if you get them right,

1169
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. I don't think it's fair, but like

1170
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: that's just how it goes. And so I think for them,

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00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: they have a responsibility to the anti war cause, to

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00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian cause here in order to try and

1173
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 2: be more accurate and retrenching than behaving on the other side.

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00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that doesn't make you noble or good, you know,

1175
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: based on what I've seen from the two of them

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00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: so far.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's just my I'd be curious what you think.

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00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it would be reasonable for

1179
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: them to address now there are way more I see.

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00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: For me, I'm still fifty to fifty on what you

1181
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: know the evidence actually shows and who was actually responsible.

1182
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: But it was an entirely logical conclusion when your Israel's

1183
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: literally dropped, you know what, six thousand and seven thousand

1184
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: bombs on Gaza at this point, to see this carnage

1185
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: and say obviously was and especially when you have no

1186
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: track record of any Himas or Islamic Jahad rocket creating

1187
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: this kind of damage, to come to that conclusion, I

1188
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: think it would be appropriate for them to acknowledge that

1189
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: there is a lot more evidence in the other direction now,

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00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: I think absolutely.

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00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: But your point about you know.

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: Of course they're going to be held to a higher standard,

1193
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: like how much of the like Israeli propaganda and lies

1194
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: that have been documented over many years goes down And

1195
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: there's never any question about it, there's never any like

1196
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: demands to retract or correct or whatever. But you're right,

1197
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: the expectation should be that they're going to be held

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Speaker 1: to a different standard because anytime you have a distant

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Speaker 1: political view.

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Speaker 4: That's just the way it work.

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Speaker 2: That's how it goes. I mean, I'm not saying it's fair,

1202
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: but it's life, and that's just how it goes. Speaking

1203
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: of Ukraine, as we were just talking about, let's put

1204
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen, the White House is

1205
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: now pushing for a one hundred billion dollar package for

1206
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: Israel Ukraine border and disaster relief. That will mean United

1207
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: States is requesting approximately ten billion dollars for Israel, sixty

1208
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: billion dollars for Ukraine. They just happen to sneak that

1209
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: one in there, even though it's six times times the

1210
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: number for the actual conflict that this is allegedly being

1211
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: tied to. And then the rest of it is border

1212
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: and disaster money that they had tried previously to get

1213
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: through the Congress. Included in that is a one hundred

1214
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: million dollar announcement today for Palestinian aid that will be

1215
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: directed towards humanitarian efforts. This comes at a very critical

1216
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: time actually for the war in Ukraine. Remember, previously, the

1217
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: United States had not passed through the Congress any extension

1218
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: of aid or even transfer authority that has not stopped

1219
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: the Biden administration though, from throwing even more weapons into

1220
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: the conflict, this time arguably one of the most escalatory

1221
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: weapons that they've sent there so far.

1222
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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1223
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Speaker 2: Confirmed now use of long range missiles inside of Ukraine

1224
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: against Russian forces for the first time, used against the

1225
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: Russian Air Force. At least these were used crystal inside

1226
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: of occupied Ukraine, so you know there were used actually

1227
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: on their own territory.

1228
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: But let me repeat again, there is not one thing stop.

1229
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: Them save for their word, which they have broken, that

1230
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: striking deep inside of Russian territory. Not one thing of

1231
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: which they have done before. They've used drones, They've repeatedly

1232
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: struck inside of Russia. I'm not talking about what Russia

1233
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: claims is Russia or Crimea. I'm talking about Russia Russia.

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01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: There's nothing stopping them from being able to do this.

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01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: And I also wanted to bring up something very critical

1236
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. The New York Times had one of

1237
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: their long profiles inside the decision to send this directly

1238
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 2: leaked from the Pentagon. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin opposed

1239
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: this decision for a single reason. He said this dramatically

1240
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: draws from US readiness. We cannot produce these on a

1241
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: long enough timeline, and if we need these in the

1242
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: immediate term, within the next year, we're screwed. Biden sent

1243
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: them anyway. That's from the Secretary of Defense, not any

1244
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: chicken hawk. This is a guy who's like, look, my

1245
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: job is to tell you this is making us a

1246
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: lot less safe and it will be very difficult for

1247
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: us to produce seas in the future. And Biden sent

1248
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: these weapons to Ukraine anyway, even though we're at the

1249
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 2: tail end of any amount of aid that's ever going

1250
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 2: to pour into this conflict.

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01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 4: Do you think so, I'm not so sure about that.

1252
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 3: I think that calculus sixty billions going that.

1253
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: Calculus has changed significantly with the introduction of the Israeli conflict,

1254
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: because there's nothing to keep you know, there is an

1255
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: overwhelming bipartisan consensus in favor of sending, you know, Israel

1256
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: whatever Israel wants, and there's no end to just tying

1257
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: the two together and pushing them both through for you know,

1258
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: forever and ever. And you've already got the Israelis saying, hey,

1259
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: this is going to last year. So to me, whereas

1260
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: very recently it looked like, you know, they could be

1261
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: coming really at the tail end, or perhaps Ukrainian AID

1262
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: was not going to get through any longer at all.

1263
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: I think that that landscape has dramatically shifted very quickly,

1264
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: and even have you know, well like it's probably not

1265
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: going to be Jim Jordan's speaker now, but the fact

1266
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: that he was even out there at least in trying

1267
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: to convince some moderates that he may even be amenable

1268
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: to doing that after he's been very si I firstly

1269
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: opposed to Ukrainian AID, I think tells you the changing landscape.

1270
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Speaker 1: But you know, just to pause again on these long

1271
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: range missiles and just remind everyone this is one of

1272
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: the things that Joe Biden had originally specifically said no to.

1273
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: And you know, it should have been the minute that

1274
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: Ukraine started striking inside of Russia, including drum strikes in

1275
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 1: Moscow itself, that should have been an absolute red line.

1276
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: Now you will never get the long range missiles, and

1277
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: instead they provide them. They don't want to talk about it.

1278
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: You know, they did it quietly without really announcing it publicly.

1279
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: They won't comment on the delivery or use of these missiles.

1280
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: But they're there, and we're still in this quagmire situation

1281
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: with really no end in sight, but additional prospects for

1282
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,959
Speaker 1: continuing the aid flowing in definitely. So this is why

1283
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm very happy with the speaker chaos.

1284
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 4: I hope it lasts forever.

1285
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: I hope they never get a speaker, like the next

1286
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: election or whatever. I hope it just continues in perpetuity

1287
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: to be a quagmire because the instant that you have

1288
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: a speaker in place, some major aid packed package, both

1289
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: for Ukraine, Israel and probably border securities. Likely.

1290
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: This is the point that Michael Tracy he is making.

1291
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: He's like, the longer we have no speaker, the safer.

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01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 3: That this nation is.

1293
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: I think he's absolutely it's correct on that front. And

1294
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: it's very important to remember that this is now having

1295
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 2: the full weight of the White House being put behind it.

1296
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there, President Biden. Just everybody knows,

1297
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: we'll be making an address from the Oval Office, a

1298
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: very rare thing for him to do directly to the

1299
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: American people, both on the Israel Hamas conflict and the

1300
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 2: war in Ukraine, on Thursday evening at eight pm. I

1301
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: don't know why these people are using military time. I

1302
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: despise military.

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01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 4: You get a war, you get a war, whatever, you

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Speaker 4: get a war.

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Speaker 2: So the White House set on Wednesday and pre announced that,

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Speaker 2: so everybody tune in. I guess at eight pm if

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Speaker 2: he says anything worthwhile, we will cover it here on

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01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: the show and make sure bring breaking coverage. But he

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: just goes to show you they're gonna milk this thing

1310
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Speaker 2: for everything it's worth. They're going to use the overwhelming

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Speaker 2: bipars and consensus on Israel. They're going to tie Ukraine

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Speaker 2: in there. And then, like I said, do not forget

1313
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: what the actual breakdown is. They're using a biparts and

1314
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 2: consensus for ten billion on Israel to try and shoehorn

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Speaker 2: sixty billion. And let's just remember the track record of

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01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: Ukraine's use of US military aid. They have not made

1317
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: one square inch of net gain in twelve months. That

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Speaker 2: is according to even the most hawkish analytical groups in

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01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: the United States, for their so called counter offensive. In fact,

1320
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Speaker 2: if you look at it, you have a better case

1321
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: for Russia came out better during this counter offensive, and

1322
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: analysts predict that the winter months will almost certainly be

1323
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Speaker 2: to the benefit of the Russian forces given what they've

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Speaker 2: learned in their overall industrial capacity. You know, I was

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Speaker 2: just reading the Russian spun up Crystal, a sophisticated ammunitions

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Speaker 2: production manufacturing center in eight and a half months, eight

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01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: and a half months inside of Russia. Can you imagine

1328
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: that in the United States we have not done anything

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01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: like that since World War Two? You know, we can't

1330
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: even we can't replace AMMO. And it's like, I'm watching them,

1331
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: and we are severely underestimating their wartime economy, their ability

1332
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: in order to you know, I mean, look, they had

1333
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Speaker 2: no choice. They're basically like, fine, we have to bring

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Speaker 2: everything in house and produce what we need. They're spending

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Speaker 2: everything that they need to in order to keep the

1336
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Speaker 2: war machine going. And there is not a single sign

1337
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: of degradation of what we were promised from day one

1338
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Speaker 2: about these so called sanctions.

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Speaker 1: So let me let me also just quickly make a

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Speaker 1: political point. Janet Yellen recently was a famous hey, can

1341
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: we afford these two wars? And her answer was, I

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Speaker 1: think the answer is absolutely Okay. Now that that may

1343
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: be the case, but you know, to make a political

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Speaker 1: point here, as we're heading into a presidential election, how

1345
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: do you think the American people who feel very poorly

1346
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: about the economy, who feel very poorly and are struggling

1347
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,919
Speaker 1: in terms of their own financial well being, who are

1348
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, housing has never been more unaffordable, who have

1349
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: struggled with inflation, wages declining, all of those issues, bank

1350
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: accounts declining, credit card debt going up. And you see

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Speaker 1: the answer when it comes to sending you know.

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Speaker 4: Military aid is Oh, of course, of course, We'll.

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Speaker 1: Find the money for that, and we'll find a will

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Speaker 1: to do it. It doesn't matter if Republicans are a

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Speaker 1: post something. We're going to find a way to get

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Speaker 1: this done. Where is the urgency when it comes to

1357
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: our own financial situation? And so, you know, this is

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01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: a real problem, most important materially for American people who

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01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: are struggling, but it is also a huge political problem

1360
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: for Joe Biden to have the specter of endless money

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Speaker 1: or these two conflicts and nothing for our own people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, said Crystal.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go and bring in Emily and Kyle

1364
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: to talk about a few domestic political issues.

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Speaker 4: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, We've got Kyle Kleinsky and Amily Guiski here at

1367
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Speaker 2: the desk. We're going to have a nice power panel.

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Speaker 2: We're going to discuss the speakership RFK. Let's start with

1369
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Speaker 2: the speaker. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan has lost support yesterday for his second failed

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Speaker 2: House speaker vote. There will maybe be another vote today.

1372
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Speaker 2: Everything is up in the air and it comes after

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01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 2: a sustained campaign by Jordan allies. We can put the

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Speaker 2: next one, please up there on the screen to try

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Speaker 2: and what is it?

1376
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Speaker 3: Arm twist?

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01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: Some of the people who had actually voted against him turns,

1378
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm actually fine with that, but it didn't work, so

1379
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 2: I guess we're not fine with it.

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Speaker 3: Whenever that happens.

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Speaker 1: His like wife got anonymous emails like your husband better

1382
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Speaker 1: support Jim George.

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Speaker 4: I support that apparently I.

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Speaker 2: Sent it to I told him, Emily, give us your take.

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01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 2: You're tapped into the conservative circles first, Just like, what's

1386
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: going on? What is going to happen? Is there doesn't

1387
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: appear to be a vote today. Is Patrick McHenry the

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01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: speaker pro tempt? Is he going to get expanded speaker powers?

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Speaker 2: Deal with the Democrats? What are you hearing?

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Speaker 3: What are you thinking?

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01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, so there's a package being discussed right now to

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01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 10: give Patrick McHenry the pro tem people remember him banging

1393
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 10: the gavel really hard in his little bow tie, to

1394
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 10: give him powers until janu third, so for the rest

1395
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 10: of the year and then they can come back to

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 10: the table and figure things out. Well, that's not going

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01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 10: to happen because now Conservatives, the same people who were

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01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 10: doing the arm twisting campaign to support Jim Jordan are

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01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 10: basically never mckenry, because the Conservative movement is mounting a

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01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 10: campaign to say a deal to put McHenry in office

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 10: is a deal with Democrats. Basically, to make that math work,

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01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 10: centrist Republicans are probably going to need the help of

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01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 10: centrist Democrats and maybe then they can get it. Either way,

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 10: it's going to be difficult because of that never McHenry

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01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 10: faction of Jordan supporters. The problem with the math though,

1406
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 10: is that there are never Jordan supporters that are now

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01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 10: in the McHenry camp, which basically is impossible. And again

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01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 10: this is why after fifteen ballots with Kevin McCarthy, they

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01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 10: went through those fifteen ballots. McCarthy went through those fifteen

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Speaker 10: ballots because every single person in the Republican Conference knew

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 10: that only Kevin McCarthy could bridge what are now the

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 10: people in the never McHenry and the never Jordan Camps.

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Speaker 8: He was the only person who could do it.

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Speaker 10: And that doesn't mean Kevin McCarthy is amazing, does mean

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01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 10: Kevin karthy is a hero for the Savior of the Republic.

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01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 10: It just means he had put years of work into

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01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 10: bridging those two groups and nobody else is able to

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01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 10: do that, so they're completely at an impasse.

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01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 1: He actual like had no shame, like he was willing

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01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: to do whatever, yeah, to get to get it done.

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 4: I mean, what are you making?

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01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 11: First of all, I think all the speakers are like that,

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 11: the ones who actually get to power.

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01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 17: It's like you raise the most money and.

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01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 11: You can like appease the most people behind the scenes,

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 11: and maybe you know, got like a snake in a

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01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 11: sense and say one thing over here, one thing over here.

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01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 11: But I found it really interesting because Jim Jordan was

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 11: a vocal supporter of McCarthy, and he actually argued with

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01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 11: Gates on the House floor that I think McCarthy should

1431
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 11: stay in power. But he also has gates blessing because

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01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 11: he's a mentor to Gates. So the thing that I'm

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01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 11: stuck on is like, if it's not him, who's it

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01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 11: going to be, Because this guy in theory should have

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 11: the blessing of the McCarthy people and the Gates people.

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Speaker 11: And I think that what it comes down to is

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 11: Jordan is an outsider conservative firebrand who's like, you know,

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01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 11: built his name on right wing media, and I don't

1439
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 11: think he does the behind the scenes backslap in politics

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 11: like a speaker needs to do. Yeah, he doesn't, And

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01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,839
Speaker 11: so I think, never mind, that's awesome.

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01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, let me push back on your McHenry

1443
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: thing here, because you know, I have made the prediction

1444
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: that it will just end up being mckenry by default.

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01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: So I'm very invested in my prediction coming true. That's

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01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: the only thing. I really don't care about this fight

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: otherwise personally, But it seems to me like no one

1448
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: has the votes. Jim Jordan is actually further behind where

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy was, and so the status quo is the

1450
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: most likely outcome here where McHenry may not be like

1451
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: elected speaker, but they could figure out workarounds of like

1452
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: all right, you know, like a government funding is about

1453
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: to run out or about to have a shut down,

1454
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: A very short period of time.

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01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 4: It's not like the House was doing that much anyway.

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01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 1: So if they come up with these workarounds of like,

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01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: all right, I guess you can keep the government open.

1458
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: I guess you can pass your Israel in Ukraine and

1459
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: border aid or whatever it is that they're putting this

1460
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: package together, that seem still seems to me like the

1461
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: most likely outcome because I don't see any other person

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01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: being able to cobble together sufficient votes to get this done.

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01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 8: I agree with that.

1464
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 10: I mean, if I had to put money on any

1465
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 10: outcome right now, it would be the mckenry outcome. And

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 10: I think your reason for that is really like probably

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01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 10: the most correct, like default is the easiest way for everybody?

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01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:22,759
Speaker 8: Is the default exactly.

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01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,839
Speaker 10: Yeah, And so at the same time, though, that's becoming

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01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 10: more and more difficult for people. As we're seeing this

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 10: develop right now, and you've probably noticed this over the

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01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 10: last couple of days, people who work in the sort

1473
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 10: of activist conservative circles are putting together a really strong

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01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 10: campaign to pressure and this.

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Speaker 8: Is actually partially what pushed people away from Jordan.

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01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, they're really trying to say, they're trying to make

1477
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 10: this a red line in the sand. They're trying to

1478
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 10: mobilize constituents and say, the Republican grassroots wants Jim Jordan.

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01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 3: If you're voting.

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,440
Speaker 10: Against Jim Jordan, if you can't get on this bandwagon,

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01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 10: we are going to cast us a rhino. We're going

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01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 10: to punish you. And for some of them that might

1483
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 10: be good. They might like that in their districts and

1484
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 10: purple districts. The other hand, probably for most of them,

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 10: it's not good, and so it's becoming I thought Jordan

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 10: was basically dead in the water when so many people

1487
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 10: started shifting towards mckenry. But then you started to see

1488
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 10: this really get traction in the conservative movement, and that

1489
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 10: does make it difficult for Republicans to vote against.

1490
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 8: It doesn't mean that it's.

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 3: Going to happen, That's right, Kye.

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01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 17: Somebody say, I have a question for Emily.

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01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 11: Is it not Jordan because people are still mad at Gates?

1494
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 11: Or is it not Jordan because Republicans from purple districts

1495
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 11: are like, I can't do Jordan because you know he

1496
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 11: supported the insurrection, et cetera, et cetera.

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 17: Which is what is it both of them? Or what

1498
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 17: is it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I think it's mostly that because people Jim Jordan like

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01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 10: basically was one of the early Freedom Caucus people. He

1502
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 10: was very close with Mark Meadows, founder of the Freedom Caucus,

1503
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 10: actually with Ronda Santis.

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01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:46,839
Speaker 8: All of those.

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 10: Guys were the bomb throwers in the Bayner era, and

1506
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 10: so they earned so much bad will, Like people just

1507
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 10: bitterly resent them for throwing the house into chaos so

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01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 10: often during those years, they blame them for Trump, they

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01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 10: blame them for January sixth, and some of that is

1510
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:01,839
Speaker 10: now personal, not just political.

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01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 8: So it's a really like a lot of bitter feuds.

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01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 11: Or did some of them fall in line like the

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01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 11: Purple District Democrats, because I know twenty two now voted

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01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 11: against Jordan. So would you say, like the twenty two

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01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 11: Republicans are the more moderate Republicans where they're also like

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 11: thirty more moderate Republicans who were.

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Speaker 17: Like, all right, I'll just fall in line as well.

1518
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 2: A lot of them did, but don't forget that of

1519
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: that twenty the New York Caucus in particular is highly

1520
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 2: represented because a lot of those people are like Long

1521
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 2: Island folks, and they are more in purple districts. My

1522
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: personal favorite thing I stuff floaded behind the scenes, Crystal

1523
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 2: Is Jordan was like, Okay, well, maybe we'll lift the

1524
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: salt cap. Yeah, we're just to explain to everybody. Yeah,

1525
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 2: state and local tax deduction got straight lifting a tax

1526
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 2: cut for the rich people so they can write because

1527
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: New York has very high state and local taxes, so

1528
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: that they would be previously, before Trump, they were able

1529
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 2: to write off that portion from their federal income tax.

1530
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: And they're like, this is an outrage, We're being double

1531
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 2: tax The overwhelming majority of the benefit for the salt

1532
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: cap goes to people who make over one million dollars

1533
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: per year. Therefore, it is the number one priority of

1534
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 2: the New York Democrats and Republicans.

1535
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 4: And I'm not in New Jersey too. That's Gotten Jersey

1536
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 4: is New Jersey.

1537
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 17: I call him mister Saul.

1538
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 2: Anyway, the one promise that I think it Jordan has

1539
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: is he was like, okay, guys, what do you want

1540
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: And they were like, you got to.

1541
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 3: Lift the salt I anything.

1542
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: I have to think that another part of it is

1543
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: not just like his his the things he's done in

1544
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: the past and the bomb throwing nature and like you know,

1545
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: the shutdowns and the debt ceiling showdowns and all of that,

1546
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: But they also have to be worried about if he

1547
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: is their leadership in the House, what is he going

1548
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: to do going forward? Because he's very interested in the like,

1549
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: you know, impeach Biden and let's have all of these

1550
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,520
Speaker 1: hearings and investigation. I mean, that's what he wasn't legislating.

1551
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: Those are the things that he was focused on. So

1552
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: I have to think part of their fear is, like,

1553
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 1: how are we going to look if this guy who's

1554
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: been nothing but a bomb thrower is our leadership in

1555
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: the House, Like, we can't be closely associated with this

1556
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: guy and Kyle like there's nothing he can promise them,

1557
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: he can't promise them to, like I'm no longer going

1558
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: to be Jim.

1559
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 11: Jordan, But like, is there really that much of a

1560
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,919
Speaker 11: substantive difference on policy between like him and Kevin McCarthy,

1561
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 11: Like I'm genuinely curious about that in my opinion, because

1562
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 11: it would you if you have Jordan's Speaker of the House,

1563
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 11: would you just like not get bills that pass at all?

1564
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 17: Passes at all?

1565
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 3: It depends on which policy.

1566
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: For example, Kevin McCarthy was far more i think less

1567
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: ideological on Ukraine. He was one of those people's like, look,

1568
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 2: I just want to pease everybody personally. I like pro Ukraine.

1569
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: He almost certainly he would have brought something to the floor.

1570
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 2: Jim Jordan from the very beginning was like, I'm not

1571
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: bringing any a to Ukraine. Yeah.

1572
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 17: But then but then.

1573
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, But then behind the scenes, there was

1574
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: that least reporting that he indicated to moderates who were

1575
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: on the fence, like well, maybe I would put Israel

1576
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 1: and Ukraine AID together.

1577
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 4: So I don't know whether that was just.

1578
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: Like him lying to try to get their votes or whatever,

1579
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: but he definitely left them with the impression that that's

1580
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: what was going to happen.

1581
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 8: Maybe someone needs to lift the soul.

1582
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 2: In Ukraine, Yes, but I don't think the oligarchs are

1583
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: pantextic is.

1584
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 4: Must be lifted. Jim Jordan is your man.

1585
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 10: See Kyle's question is super interesting, I think because Kevin McCarthy.

1586
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 10: It speaks to I think Kevin McCarthy moved over a lot,

1587
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 10: and he when I talked to him, he.

1588
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 8: Talked about how the first.

1589
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 10: Impeachment was he didn't use this word, but kind of

1590
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 10: radicalizing for him. And the question then becomes, what's the

1591
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 10: substant in different substance in difference between Jim Jordan and

1592
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 10: like now ken Buck, who is out in moderate land.

1593
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 17: It's been right, like is this what happens when you

1594
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:51,520
Speaker 17: become speakers?

1595
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 11: Like, well, I guess in some ways we got to

1596
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 11: get something done, like we have to get a budget passed,

1597
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 11: So I guess I gotta do this in this because

1598
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 11: Democrats hold a Senate, Democrats out the White House.

1599
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 17: You could pass virtue signal bills all day, but Biden

1600
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 17: can veto it for the Senate. You know, not bad,

1601
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 17: I will say.

1602
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 2: And this is actually why I thought Jordan was the

1603
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 2: best candidate, is I thought he was the best to

1604
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: avoid a government shutdown because they have the most credibility

1605
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 2: amongst the people who would have pushed for a shutdown,

1606
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: as in he would have been able to wrangle votes

1607
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 2: that I think McCarthy never would have been able to

1608
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: on a future debt ceiling. So you almost want like

1609
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 2: a member of that elk to be in higher power

1610
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 2: because when the push comes to it, they're like, look, guys,

1611
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: we got a shutdown. You know me, this is the

1612
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: best deal I possibly could get. They never trusted that

1613
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 2: with McCarthy, and they said that over and over.

1614
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 17: That's true.

1615
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 11: The boys for a shutdown too. You know, that's the

1616
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 11: risk you run. Yeah, but you know, like he might

1617
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 11: be like, no, I want to do the shutdown too.

1618
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 2: Maybe, but the political calculus is, Look, Republicans have lost

1619
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 2: every shutdown ever. You know that every single time they

1620
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: shut down the government, they took the public eyre and

1621
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: the blame all the way going back to nut Gingrich.

1622
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: I don't Jordan is I mean, even right now. And

1623
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 2: while you know this, like he hates to lose. He

1624
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 2: would not want to be on the losing end of

1625
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 2: a government shutdown and be like the like a fill

1626
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 2: in the country's eyes for the wrong reasons. He's happy

1627
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 2: to do it whenever it comes to being anti Hillary

1628
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: or any for a political benefit. But I don't think

1629
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 2: that there is that benefit for that. So I don't

1630
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: know least thing Christal would.

1631
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: Well, the last thing I would say is, you know,

1632
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: part of why I don't haven't been that invested emotionally

1633
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: and who ends up as speaker is because I do

1634
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: feel like whoever ends up in that position is going

1635
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: to be an extraordinarily weak place, just as McCarthy was.

1636
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 4: Yes, you're right, and so it's not like McCarthy was

1637
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 4: like running the show.

1638
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: He was trying to appease these various factions and navigate

1639
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: in this certain way, and ultimately, you know, ended up

1640
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: in an untenable position where he had no other option

1641
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: but to basically make a deal with Democrats and then

1642
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: head out the exits. There was no other move left

1643
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: on the chessboard. And so to me, whether it's Jim

1644
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: Jordan or McHenry or who you know, Ken Buck or

1645
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: whoever the heck else might pop up, they're going to

1646
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: be basically subject to those same pressures. They're going to

1647
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: be an incredibly weak position. They're still going to have

1648
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: these same factions that they're trying to deal with that

1649
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: this has really been the case or Republicans for quite

1650
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: a long time. So that's why I feel like the

1651
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 1: person who ends up in that slot it probably doesn't

1652
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: make all that much of a difference my personal opinion.

1653
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 10: And they're obsessed with the motion of ak because that's

1654
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 10: what empowered Matt Gates. Yeah, that's on the table in

1655
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 10: these negotiations, and if that doesn't go away, there's nothing

1656
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 10: you can do about Matt Gates. There's always going to

1657
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 10: be a Matt Gates and it just takes one when

1658
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 10: you have the motion of.

1659
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 3: A K word it good point. Why don't we get to.

1660
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,879
Speaker 4: All right, let's move to the presidential election.

1661
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: And as you guys all know, RFK Junior has moved

1662
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,520
Speaker 1: out of the Democratic primary is now running as an independent,

1663
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: and we're just starting to get some polls indicating what

1664
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: that might look like. Let's put this up on the

1665
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: screen with some numbers we have here showing who he

1666
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: takes more away from. So in a head to head,

1667
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: if it's just Biden versus Trump, Biden has an edge

1668
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: by just three points forty nine forty six. But when

1669
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 1: you add RFK into the mix, he grabs sixteen percent

1670
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: of the vote, which is not too shabby. Biden gets

1671
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: forty four and Trump gets thirty seven. So Biden's lead

1672
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: surges to seven points in the event that you have

1673
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: Kennedy on the ticket as an independent. Part of why

1674
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: this happens is Trump loses actually ten points with Republicans,

1675
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: Biden only loses five points with Democrats. RFK also tends

1676
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: to take more of the independence who were backing Trump.

1677
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: They tend to move towards him, so at least Kyle

1678
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: in this particular poll, it does look like, you know,

1679
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: all the Mega people who are like freaking out now

1680
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: about the fact that RFK is running independent after they

1681
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: propped him up a lot, it looks like their analysis

1682
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: is reflected in this poll that this could be a

1683
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: problem from Trump.

1684
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 11: Well, what's interesting is what will happen if Trump really

1685
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 11: starts to go in on RFK. Right, And we already

1686
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 11: saw like Sean Hannity very clearly turned on RFK when

1687
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 11: he had previously been boosting him.

1688
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 17: Yeah, he's like, actually, I looked at your record. You're

1689
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 17: really liberal.

1690
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 2: Bro. That's an opening question, I question, Yeah, what is that?

1691
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 11: So I'm curious if that dynamic will hold. You know,

1692
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 11: I don't know. I feel like anything could happen on

1693
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 11: election day, where theoretically he takes fifty percent from Trump,

1694
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 11: fifty percent from Biden, or seventy percent from Trump three

1695
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 11: percent for Biden or the reverse of that.

1696
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 17: So like, I don't know what's going to happen, But

1697
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 17: you know you have in the conversation is what you're saying, Yeah,

1698
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 17: I wouldn't conut on this.

1699
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 11: And also, okay, so in that poll, it's like you

1700
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 11: have Biden up seven points nationally.

1701
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 17: There was a pole like two weeks ago that at

1702
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 17: Trump up.

1703
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 11: Ten points nationally, and then I looked at the polling

1704
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 11: average last night and they were literally dead tied at

1705
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 11: forty four point three percent in the polling average nationally.

1706
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 11: So it's like we're kind of reading the tea leaves

1707
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 11: a little too much here. But any analysis about RFK

1708
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 11: should also include Cornell West because in theory, both of

1709
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 11: them will be on at least some ballots in some states, right,

1710
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 11: so you have to include him in the picture as well.

1711
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: That's an excellent way, you think, Goluge.

1712
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great point, especially

1713
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 10: because we saw what Jill Stein and like the oh

1714
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 10: it was all Russia stuff. But like when you're in

1715
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 10: on the bout in Pennsylvania, even if you're you know,

1716
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 10: not like at rfk's level, you can still eat away

1717
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 10: at some really really important margins. And I'm curious about

1718
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 10: you guys think, because I have a theory that as

1719
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 10: soon as RFK starts to really look like he's a

1720
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 10: threat more to Trump than to Biden, which this pole

1721
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 10: starts to show us that, it'll be fascinating to see

1722
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 10: where people go, when Trump starts attacking him as super liberal,

1723
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 10: does that make him more appealing to the types of

1724
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 10: people that might be interested in Cornell West but also

1725
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 10: might be like a Bernie Sanders voter that is like,

1726
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,759
Speaker 10: holy smokes, this guy did so much for the environment

1727
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 10: in New York State.

1728
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,759
Speaker 8: He has this like very long record.

1729
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 10: I'm not I don't know whether that's the case, because

1730
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 10: there's so many points of tension now, even between you know,

1731
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 10: kind of Bernie people and you know somebody who might

1732
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 10: like RFK first stance on vaccines, right.

1733
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 2: A lot of that's that's my thing is like, look

1734
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: for I think Oliver Anthony is a good archetypal person.

1735
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: I don't know how big of a constituency represents, but

1736
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,839
Speaker 2: it's not zero. And when I listen to his interview

1737
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: with Rogan, he was like, look, I'm pro Second Amendment,

1738
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 2: you know all of this. But he's like, well Trump,

1739
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 2: you know, he had a lot of problems too. He's

1740
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: like like Operation WARF Speed And I was like, oh.

1741
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,879
Speaker 17: That's interesting, but vaccine.

1742
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 2: But but I was like, oh, okay. And so then

1743
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 2: he starts talking, you know, positively about RFK junior, and

1744
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: so look, maybe there's a million two million people who

1745
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 2: exit who are very upset about the vaccine or vaccine mandate.

1746
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: They especially RFK.

1747
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 2: I just saw put a tweet out the other day

1748
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 2: about I'm not going to take your guns away. He's

1749
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: very sympathetic on h a lot of libertarian esque type

1750
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: border right, so he's like he is as long as

1751
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,839
Speaker 2: he strikes the right message. I could see an Oliver Anthony,

1752
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 2: you know, our type voter photo of him. Now, how

1753
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: big is that? I don't know, As Emily says, though,

1754
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 2: I think we did this right when it announced.

1755
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 3: I pull the numbers.

1756
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: In terms of Joe Jurgenson, she won like one point

1757
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 2: six percent of the vote in Georgia, I mean or

1758
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: the libertarian camp in twenty twenty. That's arguably the Trump

1759
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 2: margin of victory. She won over one percent in Pennsylvania

1760
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 2: and in Arizona. Once again, we are talking in all

1761
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 2: three states. It's funny because on the right there isn't

1762
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 2: the same like yeah, culture, like.

1763
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 17: It's all her fault.

1764
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 2: But I mean, you could make a good case under

1765
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 2: that idiotic theory. So yeah, I mean to me, RFK

1766
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 2: with his last name, let's say you guess three percent,

1767
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: which I think will probably get more.

1768
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,440
Speaker 3: Let's say it's five percent. I mean, that's some serious carnage.

1769
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 17: Will be on the all.

1770
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 11: My question is about the ballot though, Christal, do you

1771
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:14,839
Speaker 11: think they're going to be on the ballot.

1772
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 4: Well, he has a lot of mine. Yeah, I mean,

1773
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 4: I know, even.

1774
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 17: The Green Party is only forty six out of fifty

1775
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 17: states or something like that.

1776
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean I'm saying I think I don't know.

1777
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: I don't have enough detailed knowledge about like the ballot

1778
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 1: process and how involved it is and whatever. But he

1779
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: certainly has the funding to be able to build out

1780
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: an organization, surely to get on a ballot, especially in

1781
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: key states. I do think it's worth adding into this

1782
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: conversation the fact that, you know, especially looking back at

1783
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and this is traditionally what happens. A lot

1784
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: more people say they're going to vote third party than

1785
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: actually end up voting third party, because it makes sense

1786
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, you know, it's getting

1787
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: close to election day, things are, emotions are as pitched

1788
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: as they could possibly be. You know, it can feel

1789
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: very existential and you realize, like this guy's not going

1790
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: to win. So let me pick between the two candidates

1791
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 1: who actually it's going to be one or the other

1792
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: of them, and so usually or not, but usually the

1793
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: third party number tends to collapse as you get close

1794
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: to election day. So I don't think he's going to

1795
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,440
Speaker 1: get anywhere close to sixteen percent.

1796
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 4: Of the vote.

1797
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: But I have always been wary of the ironclad assumption

1798
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: that because his support tends to be more Republican leaning now,

1799
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: that it will stay static through election day, because that

1800
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: Kennedy name is very powerful.

1801
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 4: Number one and number two.

1802
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: I do think when Trump and his allies really go

1803
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: in on him as like this guy voted for Hillary Clinton.

1804
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: That's all I have to say to really kill his

1805
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: esteem with you know, the Republican base that has been

1806
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: interested in him thus far, And.

1807
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 10: They started circulating his quotes about Hillary Clinton on the

1808
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 10: day he announced, the Republican Party was circulating those, and yeah,

1809
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 10: you can see how they would be really devastating with

1810
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 10: a Trump voter who you know, is tweeting things about

1811
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 10: hashlea Clinton body count, like that's not going to these

1812
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,480
Speaker 10: are not compatible possessions.

1813
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 4: It's not going to go well.

1814
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 10: And then it's like when I saw Harrelson and I

1815
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 10: think he was wearing like a Kennedy twenty twenty four hat.

1816
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 10: I was like, oh, boy, like you start seeing stuff

1817
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 10: like that popping up. I know that sounds silly, but

1818
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 10: there's something about the Kennedy brand, and you talk and

1819
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 10: think about this a lot that's just really potent, especially

1820
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 10: with left leaning Americans, not entirely, but especially with like

1821
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 10: your average left of center voter, that if he can

1822
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 10: tap into that by running a smart campaign, there could

1823
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 10: be something pretty powerful.

1824
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: What he is a perfect example, you know, especially for RFKR.

1825
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: If he's lived in LA for a long time, he

1826
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 2: knows a lot of these celebrities wh obviously have a

1827
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 2: lot of brand. But like Wood, he is anti war.

1828
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 2: He was, you know, I'm not he wasn't anti vax

1829
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 2: but he's like skeptical of big pharma in the vaccine.

1830
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 2: I have no idea his personal views on the vaccine.

1831
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 2: It's a long time, Like what is a pothead. He's

1832
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 2: like dissident to mainstream like left culture, but also is

1833
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 2: socially liberal. That's the perfect voter for our RFK junior

1834
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 2: who hates Joe Biden also, so I mean again, I

1835
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 2: don't think that's the vast majority of the country I

1836
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 2: do think it is x Millie.

1837
01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what that looks like.

1838
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 11: Always going to continue to run though, is a big question,

1839
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 11: because if he keeps stressing like I'm really tough on

1840
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 11: the border and I really love Israel, Like, there's certain

1841
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 11: arguments that he could make going forward where these numbers

1842
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 11: would stay the same, right, and you would take more

1843
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 11: from Trump people. But then there's other arguments he could

1844
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 11: make where all of a sudden that flips.

1845
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 2: And you take more advice for him to be do

1846
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: exactly what it is was remember Chris what we played

1847
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 2: his ad It was just like we're being ripped apart.

1848
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 3: I'm not perfect.

1849
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 4: It's like, don't you hate parties in the media.

1850
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are like yes, and if

1851
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: you stay out of the specific, that's probably the best

1852
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: that he could possibly do. One other piece I want

1853
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: to get in here really quick is there was this

1854
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: news item that came out you mentioned Cornell West should

1855
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: be included on any of these polls, because if you've

1856
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: got RFK there, like, you're not getting an accurate picture

1857
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: if you're not also asking people about, well what about

1858
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: if Cornew.

1859
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 4: West is on the ballot.

1860
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 1: So there's this news item that came out that Harlan Crowe,

1861
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: who has now become infamous for his so's close association

1862
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,799
Speaker 1: with Justin Thomas and the fact that he was funding

1863
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: all these vacations and all sorts of other things.

1864
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 4: Clarence Thomas and his.

1865
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 8: Name, just his name that'll stick with that you very true.

1866
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 4: It is a very memorable name. It's like a movie name.

1867
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: Anyway, he apparently has made a max ount donation to

1868
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: Cornell West presidential bid, thirty.

1869
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 4: Three hundred dollars donation.

1870
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,839
Speaker 1: It was in August, weeks before they say West abandoned

1871
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: his bid for the Green Party nomination, so this was

1872
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: when he was still running with the Green Party, before

1873
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: he announced his independent bid. Apparently Crowe, who's called West,

1874
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: a self proclaimed non Marxist socialist and longtime professor at

1875
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 1: Princeton University, is a good friend. So that's the reason

1876
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: that he's giving. I mean, Ky, do you read into

1877
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: this like nefarious intent, Like we're using that you know,

1878
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:40,759
Speaker 1: West up as a spoiler.

1879
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 4: What do you think?

1880
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 11: I'm not buying the friend thing. It's obviously to hurt

1881
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 11: Biden the whole idea. Absolutely, if he's running, isn't into it?

1882
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 11: Give him money then runs in independent. Hopefully he knocks up

1883
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 11: two three four percentage points, and then that would theoretically

1884
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 11: take more from Biden.

1885
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 17: I think sure, it's ruthlessly pragmatic.

1886
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 10: There's an interesting connection between the two, which is that

1887
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 10: Robbie George, also professor person, is really close with Cornell

1888
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 10: West and Robbie George is sort of a stalwart of

1889
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 10: the conservative legal movement that Harlan Crow has really helped create.

1890
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 8: And so that would be my theory.

1891
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 10: That theory, and now maybe it's also a little bit like, oh,

1892
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 10: we'll have some fun with that.

1893
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, Harlan is anti Trump. This guy's like pro

1894
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 2: Nikki Haley.

1895
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 3: He like funds Jonah Goldberg.

1896
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 2: I mean, these are not.

1897
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 17: Tump's right, They're all going to fall in line with Darlan.

1898
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 2: I genuinely don't think. So what do you think I would?

1899
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 2: I highly doubt that.

1900
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 4: So let me me say I actually my initial.

1901
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Reaction was the same of your as yours, like, oh,

1902
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: of course, he's just like thinks that Cornell will be

1903
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: a spoiler, and I'm sure in the back of his

1904
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: mind that's probably part of it. Thirty three hundred dollars,

1905
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 1: though in the context of a billionaire and an in context,

1906
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: the presidential campaign is nothing. So if he was like

1907
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: funding a super pack, which with millions of dollars, that

1908
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: would be one thing. But like a thirty three hundred

1909
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: dollars donation for him is like, I mean, it's literally

1910
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: chump change.

1911
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 4: It means nothing.

1912
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 17: Probably all he thought he could do while staying under

1913
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 17: the radar, right.

1914
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: Because it's public and they're doing funding a super pac.

1915
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: That's actually what we are behind the right.

1916
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 11: This headline turns a million if he funds a super pack.

1917
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 11: But but I think he will give more and I do. Look,

1918
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 11: the reason for my point is if you look at

1919
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 11: what happened with Hannity and RFK, I see this ruthless

1920
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 11: pragmatism among many people on the right.

1921
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 17: And Hannity was boosting up RFK relentlessly.

1922
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 11: When they thought this guy's gonna hurt Biden, and they

1923
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,839
Speaker 11: were really intelligent about it, right, and then the second

1924
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 11: they thought, oh he might actually hurt Trump, they flipped

1925
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 11: on a dime.

1926
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 17: And I feel like it's the same this guy, Oh

1927
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 17: yeah he said.

1928
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 11: It, didn't say it, he said yeah, he's like I

1929
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 11: was boosting him when he heard Biden he's gonna hurd Trump.

1930
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 17: I'm gonna go after him and at least the dogs

1931
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 17: of Hell. I think this is the same thing. I

1932
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 17: think this is the same thing. But that's how politics is.

1933
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 4: Look.

1934
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 17: Yeah, he's this guy smart. Okay, he knows what he's doing.

1935
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't. I don't know, Kyle.

1936
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 2: I just think I think you're probably right. They probably

1937
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 2: it's some sort of personal connection. Here's what we'll find out.

1938
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 2: If he spends more money on more now than then,

1939
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 2: we'll watch. Yeah.

1940
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 17: I look forward to being told I'm right.

1941
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 4: You're getting used to that on this panel.

1942
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 7: Huh ok.

1943
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 4: All right, guys, thanks for dropping by.

1944
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, appreciate both shortly, all.

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01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 1: Right, guys, very excited to bring you some additional results

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Speaker 1: Really interesting stuff here, and we just want to thank

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that we have always

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Speaker 1: tried to do here is as you know, mainstream cables

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Speaker 1: falling part and failing and their ratings are way down.

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Speaker 1: Trying to build out a real independent ecosystem, and you

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Speaker 1: guys are enabling us to do some of the things

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Speaker 1: that mainstream media does, but obviously with an independent media perspective.

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Speaker 4: So thank you guys for that.

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Speaker 2: That's it, I mean, really, what it is is we

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Speaker 2: wanted this to be unique. It would have been easy

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Speaker 2: in the beginning to just focus on the core and

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Speaker 2: just you know, people talking, but that's not differentiated. We

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Speaker 2: keep trying to build out ad partnerships do things like

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Speaker 2: this where you really can't get anywhere else, especially in

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Speaker 2: an independent show.

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Speaker 3: So it means a lot to us.

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Speaker 2: And if he can help us build even more things

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Speaker 2: like this, we've got the independent group that we also

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Speaker 2: want to do. You can sign up Breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 2: But with that, why don't we set up the first clip.

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Speaker 4: Let's get to the results.

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Speaker 1: So we already showed you how people were feeling about

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden was a little complicated.

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Speaker 4: We're a little worried.

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Speaker 1: About the age, but we were affectionate for him and

1978
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Speaker 1: we don't want him to be challenged. We're all those

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Speaker 1: sorts of things Trump hanging over all of it. So

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Speaker 1: we also asked how they feel about the vice president.

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Speaker 1: This is obviously incredibly critical since Joe Biden is at

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Speaker 1: such an advanced age, so if he were unable to

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Speaker 1: continue to serve, What do you think about Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris wat she's knowledgeable.

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Speaker 13: I did not feel like she lived up to the

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Speaker 13: expectations because I was so excited when she became the

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Speaker 13: vice president. I think she's a wonderful person. I don't

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Speaker 13: think she's been given an opportunity to really shine and

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Speaker 13: grow in her position, and I'm not impressed overall.

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Speaker 15: I think she's competent. Everything she has done has been domestically,

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Speaker 15: so I don't think she's had much the opportunity to

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Speaker 15: work in international affairs.

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Speaker 9: Intelligent, fierce, strong sense of right and wrong, and fearless.

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Speaker 18: I think she does a lot of backup for Biden.

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Speaker 18: I think that she's in that air and that is

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Speaker 18: where he makes those decisions, believe it or not, even

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Speaker 18: though he's president. He confirms with her a lot and

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Speaker 18: they make decisions together.

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Speaker 19: I do think she's experienced, but she also gets very

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Speaker 19: nervous during interviews. I don't know whether it's insecurity or

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Speaker 19: just nervousness that I sense sometimes, but I think she's hidden.

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Speaker 18: I think we will fail if she was president did

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Speaker 18: because she's that active on a down low.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know why she ate my vice's birthday.

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Speaker 17: I don't really really know a lot about her.

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Speaker 12: I would come on hires be good president or by president.

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Speaker 15: I think she would be a capable good president. I

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Speaker 15: really wish that there was some sort of initiative she

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Speaker 15: could be in charge of that is seen by the

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Speaker 15: general public. I don't think there's been a situation that

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Speaker 15: Kamala Harris has been able to kind of show that

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Speaker 15: she's a good leader.

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Speaker 13: I do not think she would be a good president.

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Speaker 13: I don't get a strong sense of leadership from her.

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Speaker 13: When I see her speak, I think she's somebody who

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Speaker 13: knows how to speak. I just don't feel that I

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Speaker 13: would have confidence in her as a leader.

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Speaker 18: I don't think if she wasn't able to do her

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Speaker 18: job and wasn't capable, she would even be in that position.

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Speaker 18: So they had to see something in her for her

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Speaker 18: to get that position. Push came to shove and she

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Speaker 18: had to do what she had to do, she would do.

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Speaker 12: It, and she beat Trump in the election.

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Speaker 8: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I think he would eat her lunch.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say it.

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Speaker 2: He'd tear her to shreds.

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Speaker 12: Put your hand up if you think she could beat

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump in an election. Put your hand up if

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Speaker 12: you think Kama House could beat Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Not an amazing yield, Not in a million years.

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Speaker 1: Says I love her in the front, she says, I

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Speaker 1: think we fail if she's president. On the download, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know why she's vice president. Only one person

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Speaker 1: in the group, which we should say, I mean the

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Speaker 1: emotions for mixt Some people are like, I like her,

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Speaker 1: she's farce, she's competent. They must have seen something in

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Speaker 1: her to put her in that position, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But when it came down to it, only one person

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Speaker 1: said that they thought that if she was the nominee,

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Speaker 1: she would.

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Speaker 2: Be these her primary voters, not even independent voters. Independent voters,

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Speaker 2: by all poling accounts, have an even lesser view of her.

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Speaker 3: So there you go. What's one eighth what's the fraction

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Speaker 3: on that? I don't even know, but.

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Speaker 2: Percentage wise, that's a complete disaster. I also think that

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Speaker 2: with these people who are the most disposed to be

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Speaker 2: affective by institutionalism, identity, politics, media, and doctrination, even with

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Speaker 2: all of that, they're like, no, I don't think that

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Speaker 2: she could win.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what does that tell you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just one of the worst political choices

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Speaker 2: and historical choices that Biden has ever done, probably the

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Speaker 2: single biggest mistake of his entire career. You could easily

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Speaker 2: argue that if he'd chosen somebody who was better as

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Speaker 2: a vice president, he could have done a handoff. People

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Speaker 2: would feel far more secure about his age. It fed

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Speaker 2: into the worst stereotypes of like wokeism or whatever as

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Speaker 2: part of his administration, and I think it validated some

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Speaker 2: of the worst fears that people were skeptical of him.

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Speaker 2: And it does show that it's genuinely a bad judgment

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Speaker 2: on all these things.

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Speaker 1: And obviously you have a mixed race group there, and

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Speaker 1: not well of them brought up like the importance of

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Speaker 1: her historic trailblazing whatever. And some you know, the biggest

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Speaker 1: critic they're Mary. You know, this is an older black

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Speaker 1: woman I know who was saying not in a million

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Speaker 1: years do I think that she could beat Trump, and

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Speaker 1: I think we'd fail as she was president. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know why she's vice president. So I think it

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Speaker 1: blows up some of their excuses from the Harris team

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Speaker 1: that they're constantly leaking in the process of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the problem is just her race, her gender, like people

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Speaker 1: don't take her seriously, and well, sexism and racism are

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Speaker 1: very real things. But there's also something else going on

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Speaker 1: here that I think you see reflected in this group.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting to me that even the people

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Speaker 1: who you know, had positive things to say about her,

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Speaker 1: they had some sort of narrative about why she hadn't

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Speaker 1: really been able to shine on the national stage. Like

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Speaker 1: I think she's providing backup for Biden. She's more under

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Speaker 1: the radar. They must have seen something in her.

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Speaker 4: She needs.

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Speaker 1: The one gentleman who said he did think she could

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Speaker 1: beat Trump, he's like, they need to put something forward

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Speaker 1: for her so she can really, you know, show off

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Speaker 1: what she can do to the American public. So even

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Speaker 1: the ones that had positive things to say about her,

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Speaker 1: they had some sort of a story that they had

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Speaker 1: to construct about why it hasn't really worked.

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Speaker 4: Out for her on the national stage.

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Speaker 1: Are all right, so we have one fun little exercise

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Speaker 1: that James asked our focus group participants to do, which

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Speaker 1: was to draw what animals they think would represent either

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Speaker 1: Trump or Biden. Will see if you've got any real

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Speaker 1: artists in the group.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a look.

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Speaker 12: I want you to draw two animals for me. On

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Speaker 12: the left hand side, I want you to draw what

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Speaker 12: animal would Joe Biden be? And on the right hand

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Speaker 12: side you guessed it, guys, what animal would Donald Trump be?

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Speaker 12: It doesn't have to be art.

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Speaker 17: I want you to do it.

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Speaker 12: You can also you can write the word under the

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Speaker 12: drawing nice and big. I want you to hold it

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Speaker 12: up and I want you to say who you've drawn

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Speaker 12: and one quick reason why you've drawn them in that way.

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Speaker 18: Okay, I get Baden he's a lamb because you care

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Speaker 18: about everybody else. And I get Trump as a tiger

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Speaker 18: because you are a way trying to keep up stuff gone.

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Speaker 3: We need to put him in the zoop.

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Speaker 19: I have Biden as a dog because he's intelligent hes

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Speaker 19: but he can also be tough.

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Speaker 2: And Trump is a snake.

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Speaker 3: Snake because he's a snake.

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Speaker 2: He's mean as a snake.

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Speaker 18: I said, Biden is a bit he's a teddy beer.

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Speaker 18: And then I put Trump is a bad dog. Tell

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Speaker 18: us wife reach because he's a teddy be because he's compassionate,

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Speaker 18: he's kind, you know, he's one he's one of the

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Speaker 18: people you just want to hug. And of course I

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Speaker 18: put Trump is the bad dog, the one that he

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Speaker 18: like a like a pit.

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Speaker 8: Is this girl want your eye?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to let go.

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Speaker 9: Biden has a kitten because he's docile. Donald is the

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Speaker 9: horse's ass because he's an As.

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Speaker 15: For Biden, I had an owl because I think he's wise,

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Speaker 15: and I also think an owl is not like the

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Speaker 15: strongest thing, but the owl is trust ready. And then

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Speaker 15: for Trump had a snake head fish. It's an invasius

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Speaker 15: species in Florida. When they get caught, they kind of

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Speaker 15: go crazy and they kind of they attack anything that's nearby,

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Speaker 15: whether they want to eat it or not. And it's uh,

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Speaker 15: it rereaks havoc on the wildlife report.

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Speaker 13: Biden is a German shepherd, but basically because their dog Commander.

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Speaker 13: But I think he's loyal, you know. And then Trump

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Speaker 13: the skunk because I think he stinks.

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Speaker 20: Bro Biden, I said a cat. I mean I had

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Speaker 20: the cats I thought of the cat, So I mean,

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Speaker 20: they're independent, they're loving. And for Trump, I know you

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Speaker 20: said an animal, don'tnything that came to mind? It was

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Speaker 20: a roach because nobody like roaches.

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Speaker 4: So there you go, sneakhad fish or Trump you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Bad dog?

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Speaker 3: Some of them are boomery horses.

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Speaker 2: Ass.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, brother, come on, you can do.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: If I'm going to take anything away from this, not

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Speaker 1: that you want to read too deeply into any of it,

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Speaker 1: but the Trump ones tended to be sort of like fish,

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Speaker 1: like tiger, snake whatever. The Biden ones seemed to were

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Speaker 1: more about his like empathy, even though it's like it's

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Speaker 1: a dog, it's because he's nice, it's loyal and well

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Speaker 1: we'll set aside commander in his behavior.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, who wants to tell her about

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Speaker 2: commander and the biting anyway?

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Speaker 1: Well, and someone actually said he's like a kitten, which

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's as a president, you know, commander

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Speaker 1: in chief. Even your supporters are like, you're a kitten.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's really what I want, but

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Speaker 1: I think I mean that is they always say that

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Speaker 1: you vacillate between these extremes and American politics, like after

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Speaker 1: you elect one president, then you go and elect their

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Speaker 1: polar opposite. And I think you do kind of see

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Speaker 1: that in those drawings in terms of the public impression

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Speaker 1: of their predominant qualities. You do see this like total

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Speaker 1: dichotomy between how they're seeing these two figures.

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Speaker 3: No, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for I mean, I think for an ideal president,

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Speaker 2: you want to be like I don't even know how

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Speaker 2: this would fit as an animal, but the characteristic to

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Speaker 2: me would be like dignified, like stately having command and control.

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Speaker 3: A male line isn't exactly.

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Speaker 2: What it is. It's a little bit cliche, but something

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Speaker 2: like more akin to that. Whereas both of them clearly

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Speaker 2: are not getting ones where that's what you would want as.

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Speaker 3: A lead, especially as like a stronger.

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Speaker 2: Leader that has both confidence warmth but also can lead

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Speaker 2: at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe commander is not a bad because you've got

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Speaker 1: the loyalty, but then also you can buye it when

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Speaker 1: you need.

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Speaker 2: Now, because that just shows bad behavior and then you

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Speaker 2: have a bad owner.

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Speaker 3: But I guess that's a whole other.

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Speaker 1: Discussion anyway, Thank you guys again for enabling this there

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Speaker 1: is nothing like just hearing directly from actual voters how

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Speaker 1: they're processing everything that's going on, and you know, and

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Speaker 1: to see where it corresponds with and where it diverges

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Speaker 1: from some of the public polling, and just get a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the nuance of how people are actually

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Speaker 1: looking at the political landscape.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I agree. Thank you guys. Again, We'll put the

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Speaker 2: graphic up there just one more time. If you are

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Speaker 2: help us build something that's even better. Let's do even

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Speaker 2: more of these focus groups.

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Speaker 8: Guys.

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Speaker 2: It's really really inspiring that so many of you believe

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Speaker 2: in the same mission that we do. It's been a

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Speaker 2: great privilege for us. We will have breaking coverage for

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Speaker 2: you over the weekend if necessary. Otherwise, we will see

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Speaker 2: you all on Monday.

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