1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes along with Lance Lynn, who was not muted 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: this week, so we're glad to report that, and Kyle Gibson, 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: who is mobile. Gentlemen, welcome. We will start the way 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: we always do with some begging, So we would like 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: you to subscribe to this podcast if you like Cardinal Territory. 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: We assume you do. 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: If you're watching, go ahead and hit the subscribe button 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: because we want to get to seven thousand subscribers. Love Boys, 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Spring training is over, Opening Day is nearly upon us, 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: So the first question I want to ask is about 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: Opening Day. Both of you guys have been through that. 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: Lance has been through a lot. You got the Clydesdale's, 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: you got the Red Jackets, you have all the festivities 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: associating with opening day. Lance, what's it like being part 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: of Opening Day in Saint Louis. 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: It's one of the better opening days of any organization 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: I've played for obviously, when you have the clyde Deals 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 3: going around, you have the Red Jackets, you know, with 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: the Cardinal Hall of Famers out there, it's a cool time. 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: And then when I was able to come back and 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: actually start the home opener in Saint Louis was was special. 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: So all in all, they do a great job. 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: They you know, they they have the. 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: Best, probably one of the best shows that you can 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: have on an opening opening day or opening home games 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: as sometimes they start on the road. But yeah, like 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: I said, there's I'm trying to go back to every 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: team that I played for and had Opening Day for, 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: I would I would say that they have the best 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: one that that I had or that I had been 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: a part of. It's the coolest. They bring back the 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: you know, like I said, they bring back the Hall 34 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: of Famers and stuff like that. So it's it was 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: crazy though, I will say this when I left and 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: went to other teams and I was like, oh, they 37 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: they don't really do Opening Day like they do in 38 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: Saint Louis. So it definitely definitely something you notice when 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: you when once you leave, it's. 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: Sort of our own little national holiday. 41 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: Kyle, when it's opening Day in Saint Louis, you pitched 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: for a bunch of teams. Uh, does it stand out 43 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: to you the way they do it in Saint Louis. 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: Uh? 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think having having different uh fanfare 46 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 4: such as the Clydesdale's having all the Hall. 47 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 5: Of Famers out there. It's different. 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: Uh. You know, there's not not any other organization that 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 4: does that. There's a couple of organizations, the Phillies and 50 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: the Orioles both. 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Uh. 52 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 5: We come in from center field as you're getting announced. 53 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 4: You know with the Phillies, we actually came down through 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 4: the stands and onto the field from center field. 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 5: That was different. 58 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: Uh. 59 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: And then Baltimore has has an orange carpet the whole 60 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: way from centerfield. 61 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 5: Uh. In one that was pretty special too. So. But 62 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 5: I think opening day, you know, we talked about it 63 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: a little bit last time. 64 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 4: Opening day is a pretty special time, especially your home opener, 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 4: because you know, there's always a lot of excitement. 66 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 5: You know, you're gonna have a sold out crowd. Everybody's 67 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 5: really excited. 68 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 4: And it's just a kind of signifying a new season, 69 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: and you know, the jitters and the you know, anxiety 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: and the stomach you know, turn it a little bit. 71 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 4: Always created a nice feeling and a good start to 72 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 4: the year. 73 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: I want to share a little story. One year, they 74 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: put me in the pickup truck with Matt Carpenter, who 75 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: was like why are you here, Jim, and I said, well, 76 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna do a quick interview with you as we 77 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: as we take our lap around and thinking it was 78 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: Matt Carpenter and they never threw it to me because 79 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: the timing was off. So I got to ride around 80 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: in one of those pickup trucks and experience it. Pretty cool. 81 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: I think, Look, I've been through opening days in other cities. 82 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: I think Saint Louis is the best. But I'm a Homer, 83 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: and so my question is Lance spring training is long. 84 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: When you break camp, what's the feeling like, what's the 85 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: lettle of excitement just to get out of there and 86 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: knowing fresh start the season is ahead of you. 87 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: What's that feeling like? 88 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: It's one of the better feelings that there is. When 89 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: you start packing up the spring training home to get 90 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 3: everybody shipped back to your you know where you're going 91 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 3: for the season is exciting time. You know it's coming 92 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: to it's finally come to an end, and all the 93 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: you know, just the long days of hey, we have 94 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: to do this, we have to get ready, but now 95 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: we can go and then we can start playing games 96 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: that matter and count. So I would say, is it 97 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: is it too long. No, I think it kind of 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: fits right where you need that that five six starts 99 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: for a starting pitcher to build up. I would say 100 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: that position players probably feel that it's too long, which 101 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: I don't blame them, especially, you know, they kind of 102 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: have to they into it just so they don't have 103 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: to play too much. I think it's right right where 104 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 3: it needs to be. It could it could probably be 105 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: a week shorter. I don't know where where Kyle is 106 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: on this. I think if you jumped right into games 107 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: and didn't have two or three live vps, you just 108 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: had one or you know, two, you could jump in 109 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: and get your five starts and that that could get 110 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: to what you need for this season. But there's no 111 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 3: better feeling than getting into a you know, a real 112 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: ballpark under the lights. No more one o'clock games that 113 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: are that are just that just get old by the 114 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 3: end of spring training. So it's one of the most 115 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: exciting times there is when you're when you're packing up 116 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: and getting out of out of camp. 117 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,119 Speaker 2: Kyle, is it is it too long? Spring training? Too long? 118 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 6: Uh? 119 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I think. 120 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 4: What's interesting is I think we've had more injuries in 121 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 4: baseball especially for pitchers. I kind of wonder if shortening 122 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: the ramp up for starters, uh, isn't part of that, 123 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: you know, I think for the first time maybe in 124 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 4: like twenty. 125 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 5: Twenty. I can't remember if it was Toy Toy with 126 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 5: Texas Lance or if it was the year after twenty. 127 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 4: One, but you know that was when I first started. Hey, 128 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: your first start isn't gonna be until March because the 129 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 4: first week of. 130 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 5: Games, we don't need you in there. 131 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: You only need five starts, whereas before and when I 132 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: was competing for a rotation spot, it was let's get 133 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: you as many starts as possible. I don't know, I 134 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: just kind of think that that slower build up is 135 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 4: good for arms. You know, even a week extra games 136 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: I think would be good for position players. And we 137 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 4: talked about this with holiday last week. You know, bats 138 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: normally tend to be behind arms, and you know, another 139 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: week of games, another two week of games maybe would 140 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: allow the bats to start off on a little bit 141 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 4: more level playing field as the pitchers, and then allow pitchers, 142 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 4: you know, an extra week or two weeks of ramp 143 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 4: up and not feel like, you know, you have to 144 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: only get one live VP and then get in games. Sure, 145 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: I think everybody's ready to get out of town, just 146 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: like you know, Lance said, you know, you get to 147 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 4: March twentieth, then you're you see the light of the 148 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: tunnel and you're ready to go. Well, I mean we're 149 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: March twenty sixth for opening day. I don't know when 150 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: the last time was opening day was before March twenty sixth, 151 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: But I've started April third or fourth before. 152 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 5: I mean, so this is even a shorter spring training, 153 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 5: including the WBC. 154 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: So I think starting after April, after April first and 155 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 4: extending it a little bit, I think is is really 156 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 4: what I would say, the better move, and it gives 157 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: everybody a little bit more time and you don't feel 158 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: the need to be rushed. 159 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: Lance. 160 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: When you're done with spring training, though, just from your experience, 161 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: are you ready to go or it's still the first 162 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: start or two of the regular season sort of on 163 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: your way through. 164 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: I think you're ready to go. 165 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: All your pitches and stuff are where you need to 166 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: be if you if you do it properly, and you're 167 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: able to get the work that you need to do. 168 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: I think that what people don't realize is when the 169 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: lights turn on and it's at seven o'clock game. There's 170 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: still this extra that you get from your first start, 171 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: so the I like it every time you take them 172 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: mount there's a different soreness when you're building up, and 173 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: then that first start in a real game when it 174 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: really matters, has a different soreness to it too. So 175 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: you're fully prepared pitch count wise and and you know 176 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: your pitch mix and all that, but there's that extra 177 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: game game mode that kind of kicks in after your 178 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: first start, and then your first two starts probably feel 179 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: pretty good, and then that third and four start you 180 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 3: get the uh, that's when you get the. 181 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: Little little soreness. 182 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: I guess that you got to kind of work through 183 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: and then you kind of hit your hit your stride 184 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: the rest of the year. 185 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: That was for me, that was what I always felt. 186 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: So you are ready, but there's just a little little 187 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: tick of energy that a little bit more, a little 188 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: bit more o that that bites you a little bit 189 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: after that first and second start. 190 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: How about you kindle that first start you're making the 191 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: regular season, is it ready to go or still fine 192 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: tuning or working on a couple of things. 193 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's a bad feeling. 194 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: When you leave spring training and you think you're working 195 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 4: on a pitch or too, that's not great. Been there, 196 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: you know, that's not very fun because you want to 197 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 4: go into spring training feeling really good about where you're at. 198 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know that I ever threw more 199 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 4: than ninety pitches in my first start of the year, 200 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: and that was planned, you know. 201 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 5: I mean, I think you know, Lance. 202 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: Probably threw one hundred pitches twenty and twenty one because 203 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 4: he was in the middle of a streak of one 204 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty straight starts where he threw one hundred pitches, 205 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: so you know, he was There was no uh, there 206 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: was no dialing Lance back whenever he took that opening 207 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 4: day start because he was going for history. So you know, 208 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 4: it's a little different probably for him. But I mean, 209 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 4: you know, most starters you get into the fifth inning, 210 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how many paces you got there. They 211 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 4: got the bullpen going because the plan is only go 212 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: eighty five or ninety. So and to Lance's point, it's 213 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 4: because you know, it's the first time that you've got, 214 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 4: you know, pitches that mean something. 215 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 5: It's the first time that you're not in you're not 216 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 5: in a situation where you're gonna roll an inning to 217 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 5: get to your pitch count. 218 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 4: You know it's the first first time where where you 219 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 4: know you're throwing one hundred percent, you know, effort on 220 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: eighty percent of your pitches, so. 221 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 5: You know you just can't prepare for that. 222 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think Lance's spot on where you're gonna 223 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 4: have extra swortus and you just can't get ready for them. 224 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: Lance, last thing before we go to our first break, 225 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: But you are a guy who threw pitches. You were 226 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: a guy known for durability. Let's say you were a 227 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: pitching coach. I know you do that a little bit 228 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: on the side. What would your advice be the young pitchers? 229 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: Because we see pictures raised to be five and dive 230 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: as they say, you always wanted to go nine if 231 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: you could, but always throw throwing a lot of pitches. 232 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: What's your advice for young pitchers to build up, en 233 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: up arm strength where that can be their approach. 234 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 3: I think this day and age is a little different 235 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 3: because everyone wants you to max out every pitch, right. 236 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: It's all about how hard you can throw, how hard 237 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: you can spin it, all these different things. I always made. 238 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: It a. 239 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: Game, how to get guys out or how to get 240 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: out without throwing max effort or not even showing, you know, 241 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: some of my best velocities and stuff like that. 242 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: So that's the that's kind. 243 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 3: Of the I think that where the game's going to 244 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: come back to, because obviously MLB wants some of these 245 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: starters to go longer and stuff like that. So what's 246 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: your pitches that you can get quick outs and stuff 247 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: like that and then go for the strikeouts when when 248 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: you need to or when you know the time ask 249 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: for it. I think that's the main thing deep into 250 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 3: games is hey, how can I get out within three 251 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: pitches and then when I need to strike out, I 252 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: can go get it or and you know vice versa 253 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: on hey, you know working a double play ball or 254 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: something like that. So all that stuff's kind of gone away. 255 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: I think that's the wave that's going to come back, 256 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: is how can you get some quick outs and then 257 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: how can you use your strikeout stuff when you need it? 258 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: And I think that's when you see some of the 259 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: best pitchers in the game. You look up, they're still 260 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: in the seventh a inennings because they get quick outs, 261 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 3: they get ground balls, they get weak fly balls, and 262 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: then they have their strikeouts when they need it. They 263 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: don't need to strike out every hitter to be good. 264 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 3: But most of those guys also walk a lot of 265 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: guys that are trying to strike everybody out, which automatically 266 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: makes your pitch caun't go up, and it also makes 267 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 3: you not be able to go deep in the game 268 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 3: because you got a lot of extra base runners. So 269 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: I think is figure out how to get quick outs 270 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: and then go from there. 271 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: It's very, very important skill. 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Who knows how it's 323 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: all going to play out. Some of these guys are 324 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: going to be getting the first taste as a major 325 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: league starter, and who knows how it's gonna go. But Lance, 326 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: my question to you is, we've seen really good outings 327 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: from the Cardinals starting rotation. We got young guys like 328 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: McGreevey who's looked out standing, Libby who has you know, 329 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: made his adjustment from bullpen to starter. May has looked healthy. 330 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: Lay he has looked very solid as he gets moved 331 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: into the starting rotation. We've seen some good moments from Polante. Also, 332 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: do you think this is the way the season's gonna 333 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: go or is it impossible to tell at this juncture? 334 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: Lance, Well, it's impossible to tell, and there's enough. I 335 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: don't know when the last time a team used five 336 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: guys all the way through a season. So I kind 337 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: I like the way they're. 338 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: Throwing the ball. 339 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: I like the mix of guys that they have and 340 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: the things that they're able to do. I like the 341 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: depth that they have with some of these guys that 342 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: are going to be coming up and getting their first 343 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: taste this year, that they do some things differently too. 344 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: I think, all in all, it's gonna be a it's 345 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 3: gonna be a fun developmental watch for everybody because you're 346 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: looking at some of these guys taking the next step 347 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: to like fortifying themselves as big league starters. Some of 348 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: those guys like, hey, this is my first year really 349 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: doing it, so how can I learn to navigate my 350 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: way through it? 351 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: And then you know, we'll see where we're at at 352 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: the end of. 353 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: The year, and a lot of these guys haven't you know, 354 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: thrown the innings that are going to be asked of them, 355 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: you know, in a full season before. So that's where 356 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: the depth is going to come in, and they're gonna 357 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: be able to mix a match with some you know, 358 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: adding some starters and a sixth starter here at times. 359 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: I think so all in all, you know, as a 360 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: you know, as a fan, I don't think you're sitting 361 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: here saying, oh, our rotation is going to be a 362 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: top ten in Major League Baseball. But these guys are 363 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: gonna be able to get out so that I think 364 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: they're gonna be able to get outs at a quality 365 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 3: level and be able to go deep enough to where 366 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: you don't have to abuse your bullpen and make sure 367 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: that those guys are putting spots to make them succeed also, 368 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 3: so I think they've got a good plan. You know, 369 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 3: obviously it's gonna have some ups and downs, but they've 370 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: got talent that are going to be able to get 371 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 3: outs and it should be a fun little growth here 372 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 3: to watch. 373 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: Kyle, we saw the starting rotation look good at spring 374 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: size of what. 375 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: You think they can be this year. 376 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry about that. The iPhone got hot shut down 377 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 4: on me. Uh you know, just temperature. Really, I got 378 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: the warning signs that had to shut down. 379 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 5: Apologize for that. 380 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 4: I think the rotation has a chance to be uh 381 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: a really strength to this team. I think it has 382 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 4: a chance to get hot, just like my iPhone just did, 383 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 4: really carry this team, and to keep the puns going 384 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 4: shut down opposing offenses, just like my phone did to 385 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: this interview. So yeah, I think it's kind of chance 386 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 4: to be good. 387 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 5: I think I just saw an. 388 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: Interesting video with Libby and the high curveball pitching. Ninja 389 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: just posted it. I think there's some different things that 390 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 4: guys with stuff and guys with controllable movement can do 391 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 4: with abs make things tough on hitters, so it should 392 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: be a lot of fun. I think we have a 393 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: really good mixture of guys that can pitch with power 394 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 4: stuff and excellent stuff, and then a power bullpen that 395 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 4: has a chance to be really good. So I'm excited 396 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 4: to watch these starters work and hopefully we can see 397 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 4: him take some more steps forward and it'd be a 398 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: reason why the Cardinals are in baseball game consistently nine 399 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 4: in and night out. 400 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 2: Be huge. 401 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: So a guy out of the bullpen who sort of 402 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: found it, found a sinker and we've seen him. Big 403 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: kid Roycroft throws really hard. I mean, he's a monster, 404 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: and last year he got sped up a few times, 405 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: didn't really have it, but he's had a really good spring. 406 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: Lance. 407 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: What do you think the Cardinals may have in Roycroft? 408 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: Obviously an imposing figure. 409 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: On the map, No, I mean, obviously his stuff plays. 410 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 3: He was so raw when we were with him in 411 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 3: twenty four. I think last year was a year of 412 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: even more development. But sometimes development doesn't look good on paper. 413 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 3: Your failures helped you develop a little bit more than 414 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: you're able to take the failures, the things you started 415 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: to feel as your second, you know, year in the 416 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 3: big leagues, and you know, I think you know you're 417 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: looking at a guy that kind of started pitching after 418 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: college after he I think he played some basketball in 419 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: college and then just started, Hey, I'm gonna start throwing 420 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 3: ninety eight mine hour sinkers and get to the. 421 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: Big leagues out of a at an indie ball. 422 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: So I think you're seeing a guy finally put all 423 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: the things that he's learning together. Because he's athletic and 424 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: has the stuff to do it all. It was just 425 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 3: learning how to make it work for him at the 426 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: big league level, and that takes a lot of people 427 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: a long time, especially someone that you might have had 428 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: a little late jump in the pitching, you know, department anyway, 429 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: So I think this could be a good jump year 430 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: for him to where he could become a leverage guy. 431 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: He's got the stuff and he's not afraid of it. 432 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: That was never the problem. I think a lot of 433 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: the things were going on were, Hey, I'm trying to 434 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: figure this out on a fly, and sometimes it works 435 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: easier in Triple A and you get to the big 436 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 3: leagues and you think you have to do more than 437 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: you need to, and then you're also got to maybe 438 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: a you know, different ideas and you try to do 439 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: more than you need to. So hopefully understands that he 440 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: doesn't have to do that, and then what he's been developing, 441 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: he can just take it to the game and go compete, 442 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: and I think we'll see a good year out of him. 443 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: That's you know, a tough order for sometime, just acclimating 444 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: to the to big league level. But you're talking about 445 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: Roycroft kin of a guy who was a college basketball player, 446 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: then quit basketball to focus solely on baseball because he 447 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: was told, maybe your stuff plays, maybe this is a 448 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: chance to be a professional athlete. He rolled the dice 449 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: and it's paid off. What were your impressions of Roycroft 450 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: in the early going. 451 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think I really liked how he 452 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 4: had a different delivery. 453 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 5: I liked how his sinker played. 454 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: It was fun looking up and seeing a negative one 455 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: Burt with a twenty inch runner sinker up there, coming 456 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 4: from that arm angle. So I mean, I think there's 457 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 4: a lot to like there. I think he offers a 458 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 4: different look with different stuff than kind of what most 459 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 4: guys are seeing out of the bullpen. 460 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 5: We're seeing a lot. 461 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 4: Of people go out there with a power for seamer 462 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: that gets plitting this underneath of it, and I think 463 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 4: he offers something totally different. I would like to see him, 464 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 4: you know, and maybe this is what he's. 465 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 5: Doing in spring. 466 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: I haven't dug into this, and so we'll get an 467 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 4: idea here in the first couple of weeks. But I 468 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 4: would like to see him have a pitch that goes 469 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 4: away from rities consistently to really protect that sinker a 470 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 4: little bit. And I would like to see what you know, 471 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: his version of a four seamer would look like. It's 472 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: no secret that the first pitch him in a bat 473 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 4: is the best time to throw a fastball in the 474 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: strike zone and to see what a hitter can do 475 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 4: because a lot of the times they're gonna fall it off, take. 476 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 5: It swinging myths. 477 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 4: You know, ninety five percent of the time you're getting 478 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 4: that baseball back and you're not giving up a hit. 479 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 4: So to me, that was a great time for me 480 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: to use four steamers to write E's gave a totally 481 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 4: different look and a pitch that I probably don't want 482 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 4: to get them out on. 483 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 5: So I think that would be. 484 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 4: A really interesting time for Roycroft to use a pitch 485 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: that's not a sinker and the ability to offer a 486 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 4: totally different pitch to protect that. So I am interested 487 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 4: to see what he does over the first couple of 488 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 4: weeks here, to see how he's shifted usages and shifted 489 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 4: his approach, because one thing we do know, hitters getting 490 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 4: under a baseball is a whole lot easier than getting 491 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 4: on top of a baseball, as what we've seen with 492 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 4: four seamers over the last few years, So you know, 493 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 4: I dealt with it myself. You have to find a 494 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: way to keep hitters from diving down because that's the 495 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: easiest pitch. 496 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: To get interne last thing, we don't know what the 497 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: final opening day roster is going to be at this juncture. 498 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to do some moving parts around. But 499 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: you talk about not just knocking on the door. You're 500 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: trying to talk about a guy kicking it down. Is 501 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: what Alaska's did at spring training. At spring training three 502 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: fifty seven average, four homers, one point one one six ops. 503 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: He's twenty seven, with big league experience. He's gonna make 504 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: it a difficult decision for the car those lands because 505 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: they could use a bat like that, and he's shown 506 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: pure patwork. 507 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's done everything to make the team. 508 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: There's no other way to say it. With with everything 509 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: that's gone on and where they're at injury wise, with 510 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: new and all that, so you can see it. It's like, hey, 511 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: we have an outfielder that that we can play and 512 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: we can do a lot of things with and he's 513 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 3: and he's hitting the ball well. So I mean, you know, 514 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: I think the only worry that you is are they 515 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: who they're worried about? Maybe losing off their forty man 516 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 3: to put him on, or you know, maybe there's somebody 517 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: that can go on the sixty days to get him 518 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: on the roster. You don't have to lose anything. So 519 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: that's kind of the roster things that you you know, 520 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: people don't really see or don't know why, Hey, why 521 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 3: is this guy not going to make the team. Well, 522 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 3: you know, you don't want to lose a young guy, 523 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: especially when you are in a rebuild. It kind of, 524 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: you know, is a little different, but I mean when 525 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: you look when you look at his numbers in spring training, 526 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 3: where you're at injuries with new in this, you know, 527 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 3: and where they're at as a team, why not give 528 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: the guy a chance? And especially with the he's swinging it, so, 529 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 3: you know, I hope, you know, there's always a good story. 530 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 3: You need one, so maybe he can be this year's 531 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: you know, this year's story that you know takes over 532 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 3: and has a great, you know, start of the year 533 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: and then kind of you cements himself as a guy 534 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: that's you know, finding himself in his career because you know, 535 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: there's some openings and there's gonna be some at bats there, 536 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: especially when you need to do some things you know, 537 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: d h right, he left he stuff like that. So 538 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 3: I think he can play, and I think he can 539 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: play at the big league level. So let's see if 540 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: they gi him a chance. 541 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: Kind last thing for you what we see it's spring training. 542 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: How much of it is real and how much of 543 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: it is just an illusion? I guess sometimes it's tough 544 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: to tell. 545 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 5: Uh, it is tough to tell. 546 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 4: I mean, but I don't think it's fair to say 547 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 4: it's totally an illusion. But at the same time, you know, 548 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 4: in my standard fashion ride Dodger question, totally it's it's 549 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: not fully real either because it hasn't meant anything yet. So, uh, 550 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 4: you know, I think Lance is fully right. You know, 551 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 4: he's he's done everything he can to make the team, 552 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 4: and the hard decision comes with. 553 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 5: Who do you who do you lose? Right? 554 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 4: And you know, I think I think I had somebody 555 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: suggest on on social media that you, you know, put 556 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 4: one of the guys you option down on the sixty day. 557 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 4: Well that would involve calling him up to put him 558 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: on the major league sixty day, because you can't put 559 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 4: him on a minor league sixty day to get that 560 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 4: roster spot, if. 561 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken. 562 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 4: So Are they gonna call somebody up to put them 563 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 4: on the sixty day to free up that spot. 564 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 5: Uh? That's not a move you make when you're in 565 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 5: a rebuild. Uh. 566 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 4: And that's not a move you know, dafang somebody unless 567 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 4: you're totally done with them as a player. 568 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 5: Is not a move you make in a rebuild. If 569 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 5: you are. 570 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 4: Looking at yourself as a contending team, do everything you 571 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 4: can to have the very best roster. 572 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: Uh. 573 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 4: Right now, is Velaska is a part of the very 574 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 4: best twenty sixty eyes? It really seems like he is. 575 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 4: And that's no offense to any other player in camp. 576 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 4: I think everybody would want to be added to the 577 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 4: roster and added to opening day if they had played 578 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: as well as he could as he did, and nobody 579 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 4: would take offense to him being put on there over them. 580 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 4: So I think he's deserved a chance. It's just like 581 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: Lance said, at whose expense is that chance given? And 582 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 4: you know that's gonna be a tough decision that him 583 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 4: in the front office has. 584 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 5: And how they're gonna make room for him. 585 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 4: But yeah, he deserved it, and especially some of the 586 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 4: talk we've had over the last year with a righty 587 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: thump in the outfield. You know that I think Jordan 588 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: Walker hopefully will supply this year. But you know that's 589 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 4: something that the cardinalss have really desired and wanted, and 590 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 4: maybe he's right here for him and you just got 591 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 4: to find a way to get him on the roster. 592 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: We will find out soon enough who is on the 593 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: opening day roster. That decision is coming within a matter 594 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: of hours at this boy and gentlemen, good job as always, 595 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: and that's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 596 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Hopefully that episode won't suck.