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Speaker 1: It's Monday, March fourteen, j P. Shadrick, Ashland Sullivan, John

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Speaker 1: Osier and A busy week begins on this Monday noon. Monday,

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Speaker 1: the negotiating period begins Wednesday at four o'clock Eastern is

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about it, we'll speculate, and fans will

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Speaker 1: get angry because weeks like this, Remember JP, you know,

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Speaker 1: to the Jaguars Reporters Podcast. J P. Shadrick, Ashland, Sullivan,

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Speaker 1: John Osia, the dailies place schedule filling out for the

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