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Speaker 1: Hello everyone.

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Speaker 2: What's episode one of the Hemmor Territory podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Brad Roland, coming see you on a Sunday evening. It

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Speaker 2: is now the month of December and I'm joined by

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Speaker 2: Scott Coleman, host Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Scott.

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Speaker 3: How are you hey, Brad? I am great. I hope

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Speaker 3: you and everybody out there had a very happy Thanksgiving

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Speaker 3: and uh yeah, you know, we're making some progress now

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Speaker 3: in the off season. We are a week away from

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Speaker 3: the winter meetings, which will hopefully break the damn for

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Speaker 3: moves across the league. But again, so far it's kind

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Speaker 3: of been the theme for not just the Braves but

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Speaker 3: basically like ninety five percent of the league. It has

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Speaker 3: been very quiet. But here we are rain or shine.

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Speaker 3: We'll do a podcast and hopefully there's something on the

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Speaker 3: horizon sooner rather than later that.

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Speaker 2: Would be helpful, to be sure. And if you are

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Speaker 2: new to the podcast, first of all, welcome aboard. We

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Speaker 2: are part of the Fouad Territory network of podcasts. We

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Speaker 2: are Hammer Territory covering the Braves all year long and

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Speaker 2: comprehensive fashion. Please subscribe, rate and review the podcast. We're

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Speaker 2: on Apple and Spotify of course, and all the audio platforms.

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Speaker 2: Plus we are on YouTube. If you want to see

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Speaker 2: Scott and myself in video form, welcome aboard on that

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Speaker 2: as well. Please like the episode as you're watching it there.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we're getting closer to where it should be

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Speaker 2: picking up a little bit. Other than the Dodgers and

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Speaker 2: of weeks. The Braves didn't make one roster move, and

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Speaker 2: I say that very lovingly, but it's a very minor

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Speaker 2: roster move.

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Speaker 1: Ope the weekend.

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Speaker 3: If you're listening to this, take a seat because it's

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Speaker 3: a big one. I don't want anyone to be shocked

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Speaker 2: It is not a big one at all. Scott's lying

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Speaker 2: to you, but no, it's the Braves, signed right handered

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Speaker 2: Connord Gillespie. I believe Gillisspie. How are you say it

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Speaker 2: to a one year non guaranteed deal. It was originally

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Speaker 2: probably a split deal, but it's certainly non guaranteed, so

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Speaker 2: that means it's not exactly a high impact move. He

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Speaker 2: like he could be on the team this year at

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Speaker 2: some point, So we shouldn't just poopua completely. But it's

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Speaker 2: a split contract. It's something we would not talk about

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Speaker 2: a lot if this is what's not that we can

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Speaker 3: I'm ashamed that we didn't do a thirty minute emergency

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Speaker 3: podcast over Thanksgiving weekend about Connor Gillespie. But in all seriousness,

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Speaker 3: he will be at spring training. I'll have a chance

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Speaker 3: you know he might be a live arm. He got

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Speaker 3: Eight very much just a depth signing, and probably you

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Speaker 1: That was my guess as well.

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Speaker 2: Other than that our episode today just for some background

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Speaker 2: we talked a lot about shortstop changes and upgrades and

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Speaker 2: But we have not done a dedicated episode or depdicated

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Speaker 2: start here, Scott. Let's just say this, the Braves had

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Speaker 2: Not breaking news to anybody that this's podcast, probably, but

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Speaker 2: It was mostly him though, And positionally, just to put

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Speaker 2: And that's what's as honestly, while we talk about it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you don't talk about Matt Olson a ton

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Speaker 3: The Braves can and potentially will upgrade this winter. It's

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Speaker 3: not breaking any news to say that Orlando Arcia was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, we're going to be doing a

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Speaker 2: and that's what they were hoping for. That we all

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Speaker 2: the potentially scary short stop idea that you didn't make

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Speaker 1: Tee it up for us. What's going on here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know there was an interesting proposition, not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know the Braves, man, they they towed a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to be clear, and Scott did say this, but

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Speaker 2: and he's been good with these moves. No one's talking

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Speaker 2: he was a top tier shortstop, not like an absolutely

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Speaker 1: And that's why I get up in Boston on a

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Speaker 2: That's the biggest reason why this would be so risky

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Speaker 2: So that's not that's not nothing. That's why when Scott

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Speaker 2: think we probably what's just stop right here, Scott. If

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Speaker 2: Briefs taking all the money, it would almost have to

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Speaker 2: be Boston paying some money, right, Yeah, am I crazy?

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Speaker 3: No, You're not crazy. Significant money would have to come

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Speaker 2: All right, Scott, you're ready talking about Orlando Arcia with

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Speaker 2: It's one year. He doesn't guarantee you that. So would

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Speaker 3: So you know, Arcia, I've seen it. I mean I've

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Speaker 3: But no, I mean, he is not so good defensively

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Speaker 2: And to your point there, like, he does have pretty

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of a little bit of a wrong

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Speaker 1: You're You're kind of like, get me out of here.

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Speaker 3: player in the game at that spot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Scott teased up there, So let's get into the

434
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Speaker 2: numbers a little bit. I'll try to be brief everybody,

435
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 2: because they're not great from last season. Scott is accurate

436
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: and that he was literally the worst qualified position player

437
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: in baseball last year in Fangraft's overall offensive value metric. Now,

438
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: one counter, small counter, is that I use the word qualify,

439
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 2: which means you have to play a lot. Most guys

440
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 2: that struggled the way he did don't play that much,

441
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: which is why they don't qualify. But there's some level

442
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 2: you have to get to to protectually play that much.

443
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: So there's something like that. But he was in the

444
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: bottom three in WRC plus on base percentage he was.

445
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 2: This is not just on short stop. This is about

446
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 2: all offensive players everybody, not just short stops, all players

447
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: bottom ten and slighter percentage. He was bad and high leverage,

448
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: all of those things across sport, and you alluded to

449
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: it with his stackcast profile. And I know that not

450
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: everybody loves the bad ball stuff. I understand that. But

451
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: the reason I'm about to bring this up is sometimes

452
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 2: you can have a noisy variant season. It's happened to

453
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: Braves players on good ways and bad ways right where

454
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: you could have the season from hell basically, and you're

455
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: hitting the ball hard and it's not going well for you. Honestly,

456
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: Marcelo Azuna pre renaissance had a couple of these seasons

457
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 2: where he was hitting the ball hard, his balltball profile

458
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: looked pretty good actually, and it was like, man, is

459
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: he really this bad? Like what's going on here? And

460
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 2: they saw they was good again. I'm not projecting that

461
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: farci yet, but anyway, it was not just like he

462
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: got unlucky. He's why I'm saying that he was really

463
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: bad in how he hit the ball, which is all

464
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: you can really ask for, like break down, he was

465
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 2: truly bottom of the barrel and all the expected batting

466
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 2: average stats, slight percentage ex Wloba, Like Scott said, barrel ray,

467
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 2: pick your stat he was bad in it last year.

468
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Speaker 2: There's nothing, truly, nothing encouraging. I don't I tried to

469
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Speaker 2: find something encouraging for this podcast. It's not fun for

470
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: us to come on here and be like, all right,

471
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: he was terrible. I wanted to come up an angle.

472
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: I don't really have one for you. The only one

473
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: that I have for you is his history. Someone asked

474
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: this question to you, Scott Orlando pre last season, even

475
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Speaker 2: when you factor in his twenty twenty one where he

476
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: kind of fell apart in Milwaukee and got moved as

477
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: a result. And by the way, he was used to

478
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: be a big top prospect. My Brewers were all in

479
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: on RCA. He was their guy shortstop.

480
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: He was so bad.

481
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: Even when you include that year over a four year

482
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Speaker 2: sample size from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, it

483
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 2: was like eleven hundred play appearances, Like it's a pretty

484
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: big sample. He had a ninety six WRC plus that's

485
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: perfectly fine for shortstop. So that on one side this

486
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: year and all of the unredeeming badness on the other,

487
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Speaker 2: is there any chance if they just said, Okay, Orlando,

488
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna go We're gonna give you not the season

489
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: because you can't do that, but we're gonna have Short's

490
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: up be the spot that we are saving on or

491
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: whatever we have in our contract. You got two months,

492
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: Orlando to prove you can actually do this for us.

493
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: Is there any chance he bounces back to some degree?

494
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: Not like he's a good hitter, Scott, but you know me,

495
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: I tend to like sample size. I tend to like

496
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: looking at more than one season. So is there any

497
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: argument for it? Like, Okay, if you're projecting him for

498
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 2: next year, I think he'd almost have to be better

499
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: than he was last year, just by just by logic.

500
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah, it's just it's tough.

501
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: Do I think there's a world or Orlando Orcia is

502
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: better next year?

503
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: Sure, I think it's a likely world.

504
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm not saying it's for sure, but I mean, okay,

505
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: let's Stepper's out right or fit.

506
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Speaker 3: I don't want to find out, is what I'm saying. Yeah,

507
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 3: I think we agree on that. I'm just trying to

508
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: give a comprehensive picture of what's going on here, but

509
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: we do agree on that. For the record, you know, yes,

510
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: there's there's a new hitting coach coming in. Maybe he

511
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: can work with Orlando to refine his approach at the

512
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: plate a little bit. I mean, Orlando is the king

513
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 3: of taking himself out of at bats, swinging at a

514
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: a two to zero pitch off the plate where it

515
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 3: should have been three to zero, but instead it's two

516
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: to one, and two pitches later he's out, or taking

517
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: a three to zero fastball right down the middle of

518
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: the plate. It's just his approach is really bad, and

519
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: you don't have to be like an advanced scout or

520
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: anything like that to see it. I mean, watch five

521
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: of his plate appearances on any given night as a

522
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: casual fan and you go, God, what is his approach

523
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: up there? Is he sitting fastball? Is he sitting breaking stuff?

524
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: Is he trying to be aggressive? Is he trying to

525
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 3: be patient? It's just a lot of hacking without any

526
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 3: kind of plan. So sure, could Orlando if he is

527
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Speaker 3: a shortstop next year, could he be better? I mean,

528
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: frankly would be hard to be worse than what he

529
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: was this past season. But it's a good point that

530
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: you made that over that four year period he was

531
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: a totally fine, ish hitter at the shortstop position. That

532
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: would not kill you if that's what he was. I'm

533
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: just not sure that guy exists anymore.

534
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: I think we.

535
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Speaker 2: Basically agree on that because of the age he is.

536
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: He's not super young, but he's only thirty. There are

537
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: guys who are done at thirty, like they they lose

538
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: something or whatever, and physically it doesn't like not everyone

539
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: ages the same. So thirty is is a lot younger

540
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: than some guys just fall off, right, but it does happen.

541
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,239
Speaker 2: Some guys are just done. Maybe he is done. And

542
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: like we said, the batball profile would tell you it's

543
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 2: it was not luck base this year. He was just

544
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: playing poorly. But like, for instance, I just looked up

545
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: his dis projection, so Danzeborskia Fangras puts up his ZIPS system,

546
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: which is really really useful. Probably do have a dial

547
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: on that later on the whole roster. But he has

548
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: our CF for an eighty or eighty ops plus which

549
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: is on WC plus. It's similar ish, that's better than

550
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: he was last year, but still bad. If that makes sense,

551
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: Like we wouldn't take that. I think you said this earlier.

552
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: But if you could pencil RCN for even a ninety

553
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: WRC plus next year, it's so easy to be like,

554
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: all right, I can live with that. It's a two

555
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: win player, one and a half two win player bat

556
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: ninth every day he won't murder you. It's just if

557
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: ninety becomes seventy that may not seem like much. That's

558
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: a big drop at that at the plate over a

559
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: large episode, because like we said, he's playing every single day.

560
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: Like some of these guys are patuning. You're Adam Duvall

561
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: had a terrepleas in last year, right, So use Adam

562
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: Nevaal as an example. He was awful, but you didn't

563
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: have to play him, and they stopped playing him because

564
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: he was awful. With RCA, you can't stop playing him.

565
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: You have no one else, at least on the team.

566
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: On the team this last season, there was no other option,

567
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: and that is where you really really really get in

568
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: a bind at a position like shortstop. So maybe it's

569
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: just you have to get a better backup shortstop if

570
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 2: you're going to go with that. No matter what, we agree,

571
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: we don't want to have this roller coaster again. Personally,

572
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: I do think there's a world on December first that

573
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: he's a shortstop opening day. That's still a world that's possible,

574
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: even if we're not gonna like it.

575
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if I had to put every dollar

576
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: to my name, who's starting shortstop for the Atlanta Braves

577
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: on opening day in San Diego in a few months,

578
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it's Orlando Arcia.

579
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: Well, if you have one name, it has to be

580
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: him right now.

581
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, I sincerely hope the Braves can

582
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: go out and add a better shortstop this winter. If

583
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: they were to go and add a really, really, really

584
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: good hitting corner outfielder, and then at some point in

585
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: the first half, you're going to get Ronda Kunya Junior back,

586
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: and let's hope that the new hitting coach can get

587
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: something back with Sean Murphy and get him back on track,

588
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 3: and Matt Olsen and Austin Riley's healthy, and Michael Harris

589
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: takes a step forward. Maybe Ozzie Alby's has more of

590
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty three season than twenty four. Like, if

591
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: you go out and add a really good bat to

592
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: the corner, I think this team is gonna be fine

593
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: if Orlando Orcia is the shortstop. But man, if there's

594
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: any way to improve the position, I hope they do it.

595
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: And it's just too important, man, Like it's not the

596
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 3: field where they They've had this carousel for five years

597
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: now and can't solidify it even though they've tried with

598
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: Kelnick and Rosario and Solaer and everybody else. Shortstop is

599
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 3: one of those spots you just have to have locked

600
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: up because it's so hard to find good shortstops and

601
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: it's obviously easier said than done. It's not as if

602
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: there were a half dozen shortstops out there for Alex

603
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: to just go and pick and choose from. But there

604
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: are resources both financially and in a potential trade with

605
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: prospects where they could get a deal done, and I

606
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: sure hope they do.

607
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: We agree there it's so hard on one hand to

608
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: acquires stop, which we've all said, you and I have

609
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: said it. Seawan ste would have said, it's so hard

610
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: to get a short stop because once you have one,

611
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: you protect that player with your life. Basically, as a franchise,

612
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: you don't want to lose that guy unless you just

613
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: can't pay him anymore. Like the guys who went free

614
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: to See a few years ago, the Seeger Bogarts Lindor

615
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: to your a guy, they just at some point might

616
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: get priced out of their spot. But like, by the way,

617
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 2: you're just signed a massive extension in Kansas City because

618
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, you're not leaving like you're our guy.

619
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what whatever else happens. There is an

620
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: argument just to say it out loud and I think

621
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: we don't love it. But if you do upgrade, I

622
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: think it is untenable. That's our position as a podcast.

623
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: I think generally.

624
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: You can't.

625
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 2: You can't leave left field and shorts out the way

626
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: they have been recently. If you do one, the other

627
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: one seems like it's a little bit more tenable. Like

628
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: if you could say and same thing in reverse. If

629
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: you get William Damas or whatever a short stop, you

630
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: can kind of live with a platoon and left field

631
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: or whatever. Figure it out. You could have one spot

632
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: you don't like in the lineup. It's a lot easier

633
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: to do that with one spot. Having two is where

634
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: it gets really tough. And at shortstop you can't platoon

635
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: and left field. You can platoon. It's really easy. I mean,

636
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: shouldn't say easy, it's it's a lot easier. Yeah, to platoon.

637
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: It may not be pretty out there, but you can.

638
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: You can realistically find a lefty masher and a righting

639
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: masher smash them together. That's not easy to do. Like

640
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: you have to end game. There's some navigation there that

641
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: has to happen. But you can plug the damn there

642
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: so much easier. Even during the season. We saw it

643
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. We don't always be That example

644
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: is such an obvious one, but you could lose the

645
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: whole outfield and replenish it in two weeks. You can

646
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 2: do it shortstop. You can't do that right. You can

647
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: find a guy that can catch the ball. You can

648
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: find Nick Allen, who the Braves did acquire this winner

649
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: already to be their backup, to be their backup, you know,

650
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: Nicky Lopez, but worse type Luke Williams is available for you,

651
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: like they got a Cavin Bigio on the on the

652
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: Scotpep in August this year.

653
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: Right, those guys are available, but they can't hit. That's

654
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: why they're available.

655
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Speaker 3: Him and you made a point a moment ago. Yes,

656
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: you can have one week spot in your lineup when

657
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: everything is healthy and going right.

658
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but of.

659
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: Course the likelihood that you're going to have an entire

660
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: lineup healthy and going well for one sixty two is

661
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 3: basically impossible.

662
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Speaker 1: So we saw that this year. That was a shy example.

663
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Speaker 3: There were a couple of injuries this past season, Brad,

664
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe we talked about them on this

665
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: show a few times. Were a few Yeah, there were

666
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Speaker 3: a few injuries. So looking ahead briefly, then we'll sign

667
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: off with no changes. Fangrafts.

668
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: The combination of their projections, step charts, et cetera has

669
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: the Braves at twenty seventh in baseball at shortstop. So

670
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: they're taking their numbers and looking ahead with their systems

671
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: and protecting the Braves to be just as bad with

672
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: the current crop. And that include Arcia. So you don't

673
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: have to believe us if you don't want to. But

674
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: people who are smarter than us with the numbers, like Dan,

675
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: people who want fangrafts and look, they're not infallible.

676
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: They missed too.

677
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: And he'll tell be the first place to tell you

678
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: that the Braids are projected twenty seventh of the majors

679
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: at tartset right now.

680
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: And that's a.

681
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: Combination of mostly Arcia, a little bit Nick Allen, a

682
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: little bit of Nacho Olivarez, but like it is not

683
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: gonna probably be good if they just run our sea back.

684
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: You're hoping, you're hoping for them to be what twentieth

685
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: in the league, at shortstop if it comes back, is

686
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: that realistic? That's that's a high end outcome for Arcia

687
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: at shortstop. I know he's an All Star all I

688
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: want to say, all out loud one time. I know

689
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: he was an All Star in twenty twenty three. I

690
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: do know that happened. I know that happened. That's the

691
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: That's the highest thing that I can say that that

692
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: did happen. He's never been that good of a player.

693
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty obvious. Even in that moment he

694
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: was hot. It wasn't crazy that he made the team

695
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: when they picked the team because he had good numbers

696
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: at that point in time. The braids are rolling. I

697
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: understood it. He is not an All Star little player,

698
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: nor has he ever been. Even in that moment, he

699
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: was not an All Star little player.

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Speaker 3: Just save out All Star Orlando Arcia. What a year

701
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Res was well and kind to be

702
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: kinder to him that we have been for most of

703
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: this podcast. There are many worst players that have been

704
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Speaker 3: All Stars. They're Alin Rcia.

705
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Speaker 1: There are yeah, yeah, probably no Orlean Arcia.

706
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Speaker 2: I mean we're gonna end this on a high notes.

707
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: Scott Orleano Rcia has been a starting caliber infielder in

708
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: the major leagues for seven seasons.

709
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Speaker 1: That's a nice career.

710
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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, it might be over, but outcome so

711
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 3: far as a dream for ninety seven percent of the

712
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Speaker 3: players in the minor leagues.

713
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So it's all like he' said,

714
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: and honestly like he's been a useful player. The All

715
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: Star thing is an outlier. He was the shortstop on

716
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: a World Series winning team. He was he was on

717
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 2: the team. He was not the shortstop.

718
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: He was on the team. He played in the playoffs

719
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: as backpinfielder. He signed back.

720
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Speaker 2: One last thing, he's signed to a contract, and this

721
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 2: is not new ground to most of the podcast recently.

722
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: He's signed to a deal that pays him like a

723
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: utility infielder. And there is some utility in that kind

724
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: of contract because you can sign you can sign a

725
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: guy or trade for a guy and still have Orlando

726
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: on your team, and Orlando is paid like you's. You're

727
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: back up the tilder. So that's a nice thing to have.

728
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, that's probably his best role. You're

729
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: mat where he's probably best suited to be a starry

730
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: shortstop on a not so good team. You're one of those,

731
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: is fine. Those are both very viable things. He's making

732
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: what I should know this off the top of my head,

733
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: But it's like three million dollars something like that this

734
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: year for Lando Arsia. It's not a lot of money,

735
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: and uh, that actually gives you some flexibility that the Braves. Yeah,

736
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: actually it's less.

737
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: It's two million dollars. Yes, year, bargain honestly, I mean

738
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: that's a bargain for him. Yeah, in a perfect world.

739
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: He is a really solid utility and fielder for the

740
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: Atlanta Braves. At this point, Ozzie Alby's has been injured

741
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: quite a bit in recent years. Whoever, let's say the

742
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 3: Braves at a shortstop. Of course, that player can get

743
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: hurt just like anybody else. If Austin Riley were to

744
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 3: go down, you could probably put Arcia at third base. Again,

745
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: you need depth to navigate one hundred and sixty two games.

746
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: And let's hope, or at least my hope, is that

747
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: Orlando is that backup infielder and not a player penciled

748
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: in for another six hundred played appearance is to shortstop.

749
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: I just think this team can and should aim higher

750
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: and hopefully that's something they're able to accomplish this offseason.

751
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: Yep, he played some third in Milwaukee, He's played second.

752
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: What's the braves.

753
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: He played like fifty games a second base in twenty

754
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: twenty two because Oz he was hurt. Like, that's what happens.

755
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: There's utility in that. And uh, it's not personal either,

756
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: like oh about wild counts of everybody sys like Orlando,

757
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: So it's not it's not about that.

758
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: Eithers oh for that out there.

759
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: It's never personal on these no vitriol whatsoever. Seems like

760
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: a gree to. He has a bunch of kids, He's

761
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: always playing with his kids. I am sure he wants

762
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: to be better than he was this last season at

763
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: the plates. Yes, everyone understands that.

764
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: And uh, my last public thing, publicly positive thing, is

765
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: that I do believe he would be better in twenty

766
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: twenty five than twenty twenty four in the same role.

767
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean he's gonna be good, but if

768
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: you said, all right, simulate the season again, I think

769
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: he would be better next year than he would be

770
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: that he would have been last year.

771
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: So I'm not convinced of that.

772
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's one hundred percent sure, but I

773
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: think that my brain tells me he would be a

774
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: little bit better. So that's a nice positive way in

775
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: this podcast, Scott, I will not make you give any

776
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: any retort to that, anything to share.

777
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: Before we get out of here. On the Sunday evening.

778
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: Before we wrap, Brad is now going to sing the

779
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: Michigan fight song to I'm not going to sing.

780
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sing, but I'm quite Yeah, it

781
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: was a good, good weekend. Enjoyed that I had the

782
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: sometimes you know that Scott is as a fan of

783
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: certain franchises, the Kings, for one.

784
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: Cold Colts, Cults.

785
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes you go into a game and you have

786
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: quite literally zero expectations of positive outcomes. And I was

787
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: pretty close to that on Saturday with Michigan on House State.

788
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 2: You know, once the game started, I started to believe,

789
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: and I could be the worst thing for you.

790
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: I was.

791
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: My guard was going down throughout the game. But I

792
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: had fun. That was a good win. I enjoyed that immensely,

793
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: So thank you for calling that out. I'm not gonna sing,

794
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: but I appreciate that.

795
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

796
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: Of course, most of our listeners are either SEC or

797
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: ACC people, tech people, if they're not sc people. Uh,

798
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: there was, there's been some carnage in those leagues the

799
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, the George Georgia Tech game. I

800
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: haven't I had a dog in the fight. That was

801
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 2: a wild one on Friday. So we're not gonna litigate

802
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: fandom of cought football on the show. I'm going to

803
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: save space mostly. Uh as a Michigan fan at Scotts

804
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: in Arizona, alum, so he's no one's ready against you

805
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: over than our guy, just just Tskana who's in Arizona

806
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: State guy. No one else is gonna yell at us

807
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: up for these takes, probably, so that's we're kind of

808
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: say it there, probably or as Steve Steven and Steven

809
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: and Sean are sec folks, so they they are more

810
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: immersed in the day to day people are gonna yell

811
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: at them they start talking about football on the podcast.

812
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: Sean is a huge Tennessee fan and seven Alabama he

813
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: is an Alabama yes, so okay, yeah, So they can't

814
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: really talk about football on the show or we're gonna

815
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: lose some listeners because people.

816
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Get mad at them. No matter what's going to happen.

817
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: Same thing with me, like I host a Hawk's podcast

818
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, hey, George, Georgia Tech, I don't have

819
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: a rooting interest, but I want I want, I want

820
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: my Michigan hoodie, Michigan polo shirt on the podcast Saturday Night.

821
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: Just quietly didn't say aything else, just Warman, just sport,

822
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 2: just on my chest. That's us, right, yeah, subtle.

823
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 3: It's been a good Uh, it was a good well.

824
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: I don't even say it's a good football weekend because

825
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of our NFL listeners are pissed off.

826
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: We won't go down rabbit hole. Me.

827
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm pissed off about the Falcons, but hey, that's okay.

828
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: I'll trade that for Michigan for a Michigan.

829
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna stop recording now and then like Brad's

830
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: gonna get out a good twenty minute event session to

831
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: me one on that, it's uh sports as you as

832
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: you always say sports.

833
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: That's correct, Uh, Scott, working folks find you if they're

834
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: a news to the podcast social media. I know you're

835
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: a blue Scott now, like I am, what's going on?

836
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, same handle, Scott Coleman fifty five. I'm all over

837
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: the play if you want to follow along. There we

838
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: set off the top again. Hope everybody had a great

839
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving and we'll be back. Man. I would love to

840
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 3: do an emergency reaction show. I think you would too, Brad.

841
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 3: I mean it would be easier for.

842
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: Us than not having that Barsia reaction show to do. Yeah, well,

843
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: we'll set up podcasts. I mean we're we're planning on

844
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: other than last week, more than Thanksgiving. We don't need

845
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 2: did two shows, but usually what it's going to be three,

846
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: even if there's nothing else going on. We'll try to

847
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: get you three, but multiple shows each week other than

848
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 2: maybe Christmas week or whatever. But yeah, if there's a shift,

849
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: if there's a transaction worthy of a reaction episode, we

850
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: will react to it. And the best thing you can

851
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: do to find the podcast is to subscribe. So if

852
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: you're just financed the first time, thank you, please go

853
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: ahead and smash the subscribe button on Apple or Spotify

854
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to podcast YouTube as well. If

855
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: you're a YouTube watcher, thank you. Also do us a

856
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: solid and subscribe on audio platform too. That definitely would

857
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: help us, and vice versa. If you're an audio listener,

858
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Speaker 2: trap on YouTube just helps the show likes. Appreciate it too.

859
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: The algorithm Scott's a big juice, the algorithm guy. He's

860
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Speaker 2: always asking me about comments on the algorithm. Post your comments, folks,

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Speaker 2: yell at us if you want.

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Speaker 3: To yeah, well okay, yeah, do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 3: Anything to grow the community. And again for the low

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Speaker 3: low price of zero dollars, we are here, that's right

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Speaker 3: to share our braves, takes and reactions. And we always say,

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Speaker 3: I mean I still get people every like once a

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Speaker 3: week or maybe oh I had no idea. You guys

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Speaker 3: picked it up on a new station, on a new

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Speaker 3: podcast network under a new name. So there's people out

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Speaker 3: there who were longtime listeners on Battery Power and even

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Speaker 3: before that talking Chop and here we are still still grinding,

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Speaker 3: still doing the same thing, of course with the good

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Speaker 3: gals and guys at foul Territory now. But yeah, it

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Speaker 3: really does help us. And if you have five seconds

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Speaker 3: of your time to leave a like or leave a

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Speaker 3: review on Apple or Spotify, that helps us to gets

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Speaker 3: us in the algorithms, anything to help out the tech lords,

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Speaker 3: we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Help us to spread the word. Let's just say that,

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Speaker 2: all right, everybody That is it for Scott and I

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Speaker 2: on this first episode of December. Please one more time

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Speaker 2: subscribe to the podcast. We'll have more coming up later

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Speaker 2: on this week, and we'll see everybody next time.