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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am your host Movie Mike. Big episode for you today,

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Speaker 1: A Nightmare on Elm Street is celebrating its fortieth anniversary

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Speaker 1: and we're talking to Robert England and Heather lang in

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Speaker 1: Camp aka Freddy Krueger and Nancy. This is gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk to director Juan Bablo Adiyas Munios, who

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Speaker 1: is the director of a new movie called The Curse

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Speaker 1: of the Necklace, which is available now in the movie review,

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Speaker 1: one of my most anticipated movies of the year, Joker

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Speaker 1: fo Le Adu, Was it good or was it terrible?

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Speaker 1: And in the trailer park why I thought the new

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Speaker 1: movie with the Rock and Chris Evans was a parody movie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, Thank you for being subscribed.

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Speaker 1: A lot to get you. So let's get into it now.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk movies.

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Speaker 3: This is Movie Mike Movie Podcast.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't get more iconic than Freddy Krueger when it

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Speaker 1: comes to horror. And if you look at the icons

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Speaker 1: in horror, you have about five. You have Freddy Krueger,

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Speaker 1: Michael Myers, Jason, Chucky, and Scream. And how Freddy Krueger

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Speaker 1: is different from all those other characters is you actually

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Speaker 1: associate Robert England's face with the character. Everybody else is

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Speaker 1: a mask or a doll. So there's not really that

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Speaker 1: So in a way, Robert England is so much larger

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Speaker 1: than life because he embodies the character. He walks around

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Speaker 1: essentially being Freddy Krueger. I wonder if that's offensive for

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Speaker 1: him at all. I'm going out in public and people

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Speaker 1: recognizing me as Freddy Krueger. Some people are freaked out

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Speaker 1: by me. We'll talk a little bit how the character

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Speaker 1: has affected him. But A Nightmare on Elm Street is

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Speaker 1: celebrating its fortieth anniversary. Wild At this movie is now

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Speaker 1: forty years old. I remember this movie scaring the crab

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Speaker 1: out of me as a kid, rewatched it going into

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Speaker 1: this interview, and it's still up. If you want to

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Speaker 1: check it out. It's available for the first time ever

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Speaker 1: on four KUHD digitally now and you can grab a

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Speaker 1: physical copy for all you collectors out there on October fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: Joining Robert England in this interview is Heather Langenkamp, who

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Speaker 1: played Nancy in the original movie. They're actually really great friends,

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Speaker 1: so having them together felt so special, and you can

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Speaker 1: tell they both truly love this movie and love their characters.

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Speaker 1: I love their friendship. So let's get into it now.

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Speaker 1: I sit down with Freddy Krueger and Nancy, so I

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Speaker 1: want to do a buy the Numbers interview. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: see how many number related questions we're here to get

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Speaker 1: in here, starting off with forty. It's been forty years

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Speaker 1: since the movie came out. I want to know after

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Speaker 1: the movie came out as a result of it, when

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Speaker 1: was the first time each of you felt famous.

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Speaker 4: Gosh, I felt famous, probably way after Robert, but people

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Speaker 4: continuously mispronounced my name. But when like, somebody really pronounced

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Speaker 5: I was in Milan, Italy to receive an award for

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Speaker 5: Best Supporting Actor or Ensemble, I can't remember which, for

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Speaker 5: But it's that moment in time when audience has put

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Speaker 5: And for me, it was a combination of that, and

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Speaker 5: I became an international actor overnight, and that's just a

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Speaker 1: For you, doing the Freddie voice over those movies hasn't

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Speaker 5: Any day when I'm getting the makeup off, yeah that's happy.

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Speaker 5: And they had this great revolving room and it was

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Speaker 5: but we didn't get like but that's like I really

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Speaker 1: The next number is seven. That's the total number of

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Speaker 1: you think that was more by design because he wanted

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Speaker 5: But you know, no small parts, only small actors.

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Speaker 1: The next number is seventy nine. That is the total

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Speaker 4: was when he kills brook These in Nightmare four Who's

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Speaker 5: Besides, it's also very Pafka esque, which really serves the

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Speaker 5: the boy with the hearing aid that was brutal part

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Speaker 5: in part Yeah, in part six is so politically incorrect,

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Speaker 1: was the last Freddy movie that came out with you, Robert,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for making my childhood and nightmare come true.

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Speaker 1: Hey Juan, how are you today?

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Speaker 6: Hey Mike good, how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. I want to know what do? What

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Speaker 1: does everybody call you on set? JP?

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Speaker 7: Usually, Yeah, that's the that's the name most people, so Kwanbaulo.

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Speaker 6: That's also older people called.

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Speaker 1: My real name is Mika alonkile So anytime, like my

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Speaker 7: Same same, it's it's the name my mom. My mom

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Speaker 1: I want to get into talking about the movie, and

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Speaker 1: the Curse of the Necklace. I was like, this is

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Speaker 7: That's a good question for me particularly. I find it

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Speaker 7: I remember having those encounters when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: And then you also have two young actors in this movie.

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Speaker 1: How do you kind of we're really great by the way,

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Speaker 7: Well, I think you need to have the right collaborators

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Speaker 6: I mean, they also have so much experience in the genre.

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Speaker 7: And then the story just kind of dictate if the

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Speaker 7: And I think the challenging thing about, you know, those

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Speaker 1: I kind of took away from the film how there

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Speaker 7: Well, if you went to my hometown, you would see

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Speaker 6: I think it's a mixture of both.

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Speaker 7: My family was the same me my generation the first artist,

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Speaker 7: know what to do with their time, so they just

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Speaker 7: go make art, right. But I think it's harder for us.

437
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 7: You know, we're being the first artist of the family

438
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 7: to get your parents to understand it's a dignified way

439
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 7: to live, it's a meaningful way to live. And you

440
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 7: don't so it doesn't sell. Means that you'll starve to death.

441
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Speaker 2: You know.

442
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 7: The happiest people I know are at a work actors

443
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 7: because they I mean, you know, it's it's struggled. They struggle,

444
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 7: but they love their work so much, you know, and

445
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 7: and they do they do what they have to do.

446
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 6: I mean, gout of work.

447
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 7: Writers, I know it's a struggle, but they also love

448
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 7: to write and they can't see themselves doing something else.

449
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 7: So that that happiness that you don't think I would

450
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 7: tread it for anything. Or my family again being the

451
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 7: first artist in the family, or like my brother and

452
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 7: I being the first artist.

453
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 6: In the family.

454
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 7: The support was difficult to achieve again because there were

455
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 7: there was no frame of reference. What does a filmmaker

456
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 7: do for a living? You know, what does a filmmaker

457
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 7: do for a job? You know, there's a Westen ninety

458
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 7: five for a for a director. That's not something that

459
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 7: my mom had had a thought of what that was.

460
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 7: So I think when I first when I was twelve,

461
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 7: I sort of like stated to the world.

462
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Speaker 6: That I was going to become a director.

463
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Speaker 7: I think in the first few years, my most like, yeah, sure,

464
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 7: Like you wanted to be an astronaut two years before,

465
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 7: and you wanted to be a singer two years before that.

466
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 7: So I don't think she took it seriously until I

467
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 7: was like eighteen and I was like, oh no, I'm

468
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 7: going to I'm going to film school like that. That

469
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 7: that was not a joke, and she didn't like that

470
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 7: at first. I know that she just wanted me to to,

471
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 7: you know, to study something a little bit more safe,

472
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 7: you know. She she tried to negotiate with me, you know,

473
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 7: when't you do like something with engineering, but with sound

474
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 7: or something you know that that has a little bit

475
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 7: more of a more of a shade. Luckily I did

476
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,959
Speaker 7: not listen, and ultimately she she was supported. I mean,

477
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 7: it is her fault because you know, growing up she said,

478
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 7: you can do anything you want. You you need to

479
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 7: love what you do, and I grew up watching her

480
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 7: loving her job so much.

481
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Speaker 6: She loves.

482
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Speaker 7: She loves being a nurse, she loves helping people, she

483
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 7: loves making she loves making sure that the places she

484
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 7: works in are run as efficiently and as dignified as

485
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 7: they can for the patients. So just her passion was

486
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 7: so infectious, and I just found that passion in myself,

487
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 7: and I've been trying to live by the same moves again.

488
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 7: She told me growing up, you can't do anything you want.

489
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 7: There's nothing that you can't do. Don't let people tell

490
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 7: you can do something. You're smart, you're special. And I

491
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 7: just think that that confidence built in in a way

492
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 7: that I I'm able to pursue my directing career today.

493
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Speaker 1: So when you were twelve, what was it either the

494
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Speaker 1: movie or the director that you saw their work and thought,

495
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Speaker 1: that is what I'm going to do, that is what's

496
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Speaker 1: going to make me want to be a director.

497
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Speaker 7: There were two movies especially. I will say that movies

498
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 7: were a part of my life since since forever. They

499
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 7: were a very big part of my life. I loved

500
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 7: watching movies growing up, going to Blockbuster with my family.

501
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 7: That was like one of the events that we had

502
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 7: on the weekends. You know, it was one of my

503
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 7: favorite places, going to the movie theater. It was one

504
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 7: of my favorite experiences on the weekends, but it didn't

505
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 7: really click as something that I could do.

506
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 6: Growing up. I just love I just rebuked and did

507
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 6: by movies.

508
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Speaker 7: But then when I was twelve, I got obsessed with

509
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 7: The Mummy and I got obsessed with The Matrix, like

510
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 7: those were two movies, and also around around ten years old,

511
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 7: and I was just obsessed, like I couldn't stop watching

512
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 7: these films, and every time I would come back to school,

513
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 7: I would just go sit down and watch them again

514
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 7: and I would learn them by heart. I would learn

515
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 7: the lines and I could still recite the lights, and

516
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 7: I just realized that at some point that's something you

517
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 7: can do. You know, that's something you can There's people

518
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 7: that are making these things, and I feel like that's

519
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 7: something that might actually The anecdotist that my brother was

520
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 7: walking by you saw me watching The Mummy again and

521
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 7: he said, oh, you're watching the Mummy again for the

522
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 7: twentieth thirtieth time. Why And I was like, I don't know,

523
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 7: I just love love this film, and it's like, oh,

524
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 7: maybe you can do something like that when you grew up,

525
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 7: And he just walked away and that kind of just

526
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 7: like that inception of an idea just stayed with me,

527
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 7: and I was like, oh yeah, Like I realized, like,

528
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 7: there are people doing this, and then you look at

529
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 7: the cris like, oh, there's a director, there's a writer,

530
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 7: there's that, and I realized them that that's what I

531
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 7: That's something someone does, and I just wanted to be

532
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Speaker 7: a part of that.

533
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Speaker 1: So I watched a movie recently called American Fiction, and

534
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: it really resonated with me because the character in the

535
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: movie is a black author, but he writes science fiction.

536
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: And he went to the bookstore and he went to

537
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: the science fiction section and his book wasn't there. Instead,

538
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: it was in the section for black authors. And I

539
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: think I've been struggling with this lately because whenever I

540
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: try to make art or make anything in the podcast

541
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: or comedy world, I obviously want to include my culture

542
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: in it, but it's not necessarily that I wanted to

543
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: be labeled as, Hey, this is something just for Latinos.

544
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: How do you kind of walk that line of I

545
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: am going to make something and this is my art,

546
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: and just because I am Lantino doesn't mean that it's

547
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: going to be strictly Latino art. I just wanted to

548
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: be the best art possible.

549
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's a generalized problem in the industry

550
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 7: right now. Right, I think it's it's so easy because

551
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 7: it's I mean, I understand it's necessary for you know, managers, agents,

552
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 7: producers to kind of label your between a box based

553
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 7: on your interest R identity too.

554
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Speaker 6: Can I get you work right?

555
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 7: Like, if you're good at horror, then you should go

556
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 7: and meet these horror people and I'll tell people that

557
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 7: you do horror.

558
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 6: I think it's it's hard, but.

559
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 7: I also think that it's up to you to sort

560
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 7: of maintain a balance between if you don't want to

561
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 7: be known as someone who's like just doing strictly Latino content,

562
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 7: which happens to me to a lot, you know, it's like, oh,

563
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 7: you're a Latino director, then here sold these Latino stories

564
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 7: and here's a you know, a movie from Mexico. And

565
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 7: I'm like, I never been to Mexico before, you know,

566
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 7: today was my first day in Mexico, I mean a festival.

567
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 7: I don't know anything about Mexico that we share. You know,

568
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 7: the language, but it's easy for people your Latino speak Spanish.

569
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 7: You can be right, So I think it's up to

570
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 7: us to make sure our work is diverse enough in

571
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 7: its in its offerings, because if you only write Latino

572
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 7: characters and the themes in your films are only Latinos

573
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 7: in your writing, then you know, it's pretty easy to

574
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 7: fall on back box. Because again, Hollywood really needs to

575
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 7: put you in a box because they need to share

576
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 7: who you are and what you do so you can

577
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 7: go and keep doing it. So I think maintaining a

578
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 7: balance between that. So if that's your passion, if you

579
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 7: want to, you know, explore and reflect upon the Latino

580
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 7: identity in your work, and that's your call, and that's great,

581
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 7: and they should put you on that box. But that's

582
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 7: not for all of us, right, Like I don't want

583
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 7: to just be a Latino director. I want to be

584
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 7: a director. So I've made an effort in my career

585
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 7: to not just do a Latino card, right, And I've

586
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 7: looked at sort of the human experience then I've made

587
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 7: I've made as an artist. I tried to focus on

588
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 7: the human experience and look at the human experience and

589
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 7: make films about the human experience. So they're than my

590
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 7: own right, and I think that's the right that every

591
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 7: artist has, you know, So I've I've made a film

592
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 7: about the when I was twenty four, about the human

593
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 7: experience of a boy who watch you know, fourteen, who

594
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 7: grew up with a abuse his father. I did not

595
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 7: grow up with a father, so that's not my experience,

596
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 7: but I was interested in this particular human beings experience.

597
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 7: Then the history of monsters, all the short I made

598
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 7: it's about a woman and about her struggles with you know,

599
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 7: her thestires for intimacy and her self preservation. So and

600
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 7: I'm not a woman. I don't know what the experience

601
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 7: of a woman is in that, but it's my right

602
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 7: as an artist to become interested in want to explore that,

603
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 7: because I think there's something meaningful to say about the

604
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 7: world there.

605
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 6: And the only challenge is like can you bring truth

606
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 6: to that?

607
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 5: Right?

608
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 7: If you do it as a as a strategy, if

609
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 7: you're not bringing heart into it and you're not really

610
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 7: bringing any truth, then it's not gonna work. But I

611
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 7: think we're all human beings first and then we're whatever

612
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 7: we are later, right, Like I'm a human being first,

613
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 7: I'm a man's second, I'm Latino third, But then we

614
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 7: can all just sort of resonate with each other on

615
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 7: that human human being level. And maybe that's a long

616
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 7: win good way of answering your question. But I think

617
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 7: it's it's it's it's up to us really to to

618
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 7: try to diversify our stories as much as possible so

619
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 7: we don't put ourselves in them, right and and horror

620
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 7: for me was like a good way to do that

621
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 7: because I love the genre. I love horror, and I've

622
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 7: done most of my working horror. So then my career

623
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 7: sort of developed into that box. You know, it's it's

624
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 7: into the horror and the psychological thriller box as opposed

625
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 7: to you know, the Latin of Fhilwmaker box. No.

626
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: I love that answer. And now that the movie is out,

627
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: people are consuming it. I saw you posting pictures of

628
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: screening selling out. What do you hope that people take

629
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: away from this movie?

630
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's the most important thing is you

631
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 7: know that people enjoy it, that people you know, have

632
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 7: a good time in the theater, that they hopefully they

633
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 7: can get scared. You know, that they that they get

634
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 7: what they came for when they come watching in a theater,

635
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 7: when they watch it for Halloween. Now when it's coming

636
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 7: out in digital and I think for for me on

637
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 7: a deeper level, just understanding this, this stroll in this in

638
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 7: this family and hows as families, we we don't really

639
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 7: ever see io eye, you know, and it's it's difficult,

640
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 7: especially when when the when the foundations of our lives

641
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 7: have been sort of broken down. We know in this

642
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 7: family the dad left, they g also understand why that left,

643
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 7: and they they are struggling with understanding why mom is

644
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 7: doing what she's doing. And throughout the film you really

645
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 7: get to understand those things that for children are they're

646
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 7: being kept away from the truth, right, the abusive relationship,

647
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 7: the they're being kept away from the truth of how

648
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 7: mom brings feels and the efforts that she's going to

649
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 7: protect them.

650
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Right.

651
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 7: And at the end of the day, it's it's love.

652
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 7: It's just understanding each other, and it's caring for each

653
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 7: other that carriers carries us through those process of crisis.

654
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 7: We could as human beings just give up and they

655
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 7: blinded and not listen to each other and not see

656
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 7: each other for our humanities and our flawed But at

657
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 7: the end of the eighty slot, it is it is

658
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 7: again our love for each other that carries us through

659
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 7: those situations.

660
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: Well, I hope everybody goes check it out in theaters,

661
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: watch it at home, get freaked out like I did.

662
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: Really enjoyed the conversation, so I appreciate it.

663
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 7: No, thank you so much, Mike. This is great me

664
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 7: and thank you. Yeah, thank you, thank you so much.

665
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. I don't want

666
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I have to do it. Spoiler

667
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: free movie review Joker fole I do. I'm like so,

668
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: I've never been. I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. That is

669
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: how I feel about this movie. And going back to

670
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Joker was the first movie ever in the

671
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: history of me reviewing movies in this capacity that I

672
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: rated a five out of five. There was nothing I

673
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: would change about that movie. I feel like it captured

674
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: a moment in time. There was so much controversy surrounding

675
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: the release of that movie. It went on to be

676
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: a mega hit, wasn't supposed to, and for the longest time,

677
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even go back and watch Joker. I think

678
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: it was maybe twenty twenty one, maybe twenty twenty two

679
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: that I rewatched it for the first time because I

680
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: didn't want to change how I felt about it, and

681
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: even going into that film, Todd Phillips, the director, said

682
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: I have no plans for a sequel. He didn't want

683
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: to do it. He thought Joker was a standalone, one

684
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: movie deal. And then it went on to make a

685
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: billion dollars at the box office. And what happens when

686
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: a movie makes a billion dollars at the box office,

687
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: studio comes to knock and saying.

688
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: You sure you don't want to rethink that.

689
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Jaquin Phoenix made twenty million dollars on that first movie.

690
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: He won an oscar. Of course there's going to be

691
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: a demand to make a second one. And you throw

692
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: enough money into somebody's face, put it right in their lap,

693
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: stuff it right in their pockets. Of course they're going

694
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: to do another one. So then this other story came

695
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: out after he said no plans for a sequel. That well,

696
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: at the end of that one, Joaquin Phoenix said he

697
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to depart from the character, and that Todd

698
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Phillips said that he would do another one if Joaquin

699
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Phoenix said that I'm ready to do it again, and

700
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: that they thought there was another story. Joaquin Phoenix apparently

701
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: had some kind of Dream where Joker was singing and dancing,

702
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: so they thought, what if we do a Broadway adaptation

703
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: to a sequel? And when this movie got announced back

704
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, I was excited, even though I

705
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: thought it didn't need a sequel. I thought, well, if

706
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a sequel, that means they had to

707
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: have stumbled on a story that was great. And then

708
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: when they said that Joker Too is going to be

709
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: a musical, I thought that sounds terrible. I've said on

710
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: this podcast that I don't like musicals. They're a handful

711
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: here and there that give me every now and then,

712
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: but I think as a genre people Americans moviegoers just

713
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: don't really like musicals because they are very hokey and cheesy.

714
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: And Joker Too is what is described as a jukebox musical,

715
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: which I didn't really know that term going into this movie.

716
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: But instead of having original songs made for this movie,

717
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: they just randomly burst out into well known songs, not

718
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: all of them that I know. And when I heard

719
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: it was going to be a musical, I thought, oh, really,

720
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: they're going to depart so much from what made the

721
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: first one great, And that is my theory on this

722
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: movie because I didn't like it. I didn't enjoy it.

723
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: There were parts of it I enjoyed. The little peaks

724
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: that we had to Joker one I enjoyed, But as

725
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: a whole I didn't enjoy it. I don't think it's necessary.

726
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: And when I heard it was going to be a musical,

727
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: I thought, well, it has to play into the madness

728
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: of Arthur Fleck, and that is kind of what happened

729
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: in this movie. Every time things get a little bit

730
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: too intense, he goes into songs, he goes into this

731
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: fantasy land, which is what the first movie did, but

732
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: it did it more subtly because in the first one

733
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: you kind of question what is reality and what is

734
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: going on in Arthur's mind, because he is a deranged

735
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: he is crazy, he is a lunatic. This one pushed

736
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: that a little bit further, and it really turned it

737
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: into kind of a playground where nothing really mattered, wasn't

738
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: based in any kind of reality, really wasn't based in

739
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: any kind of Gotham. So I think what happened and

740
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: why this movie is performing so terribly and why I

741
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: left feeling so disappointed, is that Todd Phillips to do

742
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: a sequel, wanted to do something completely different from the

743
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: first one. Like any artists like Okay, I don't want

744
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: to repeat myself. I also want to give audiences something new,

745
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: which I think the reason most people hate this movie

746
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: isn't the reason I hate this movie. A lot of

747
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: people have a problem with the singing, a lot of

748
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: people have a problem with the overall outcome of the movie.

749
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: What I feel was just completely a slap in the

750
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: face to me as a DC fan, to me as

751
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: a Joker fan, is I don't feel like this story

752
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: carried any kind of the qualities that a Joker in

753
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: the movies or in the comic books has ever carried.

754
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: It is such a departure that it doesn't feel like

755
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: Joker whatsoever. It feels more like this movie should have

756
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: just been called Arthur Fleck, Like it has nothing to

757
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: do with the character of Joker. It is just using

758
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: that banner and sprinkling in little details here to attach

759
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: it to some kind of DC world. Harvey Dent is

760
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: in here for no reason whatsoever. Harley Quinn, They just

761
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: I feel they just gave that character the name of

762
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Harley Quinn, gave her a little bit of backstory, like

763
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: she had in the comics. Outside of that, that character

764
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: is useless in this movie. And my other big problem

765
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: was they sold this movie in the trailer, in the

766
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: promotional materials as a completely different movie, even in the

767
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: description of it, if you go on Rotten Tomatoes IMDb

768
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: of what this movie is about. It's supposed to be

769
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: about him finding Harley Quinn an Arkham Asylum, and the

770
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: trailer makes it look out to be like it is

771
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: their rise to power, them taking on the world, them

772
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: dealing with what the outcome was of Joker one, and

773
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: going on this big adventure. There's none of that. There's

774
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: no adventure in this movie. There's no action. It is

775
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: a courtroom drama, Broadway musical, slightly reminiscent of a comic

776
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: book movie, but not really. It is a huge swing

777
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: from director Todd Phillips to do something really creative. That

778
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: is what it is. And I can kind of respect

779
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: that because, as somebody who talks about on this podcast,

780
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: I just want something different. I want something unique. I

781
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: don't want to go into a DC movie and have

782
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: the same formula that has not worked time and time again.

783
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: And I think to Phillips, here, did that a really

784
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: big creative swing. But the problem is he struck out

785
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: because at no moment in this movie did it ever

786
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: get into a rhythm, did it ever find its groove.

787
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: And even when I thought it found its groove where

788
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: something actually started happening, I was like, Okay, we're getting

789
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: somewhere here. There's gonna be a complete shift change, and

790
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna completely transform into a different movie. As soon

791
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: as that moment happens in the movie, boof momentum is gone.

792
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: It is just like, oh well, it was fun for

793
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: me to imagine that, but the movie just completely took

794
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: a nose dive going into that third act and closing

795
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: it out. It kind of tarnishes. Oh I hate to

796
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: say this, It tarnishes what happened in the first one.

797
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: Because again I think joker Wood is a perfect movie.

798
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: Nothing I would change for this one. I would change

799
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: everything about it. And I don't want this movie to exist.

800
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: I just don't because I think it's going to continue

801
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: that representation of DC movies historically being bad. And I

802
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: don't even want to put this movie in the same

803
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: category of an aquamante of The Flash. I don't think

804
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: it's bad in that sense that it's terrible writing or

805
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: terrible direction. I think what makes this one unenjoyable is

806
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: that it's so out there and such a departure from

807
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: the first one. It is like they completely changed the formula.

808
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: If you went to a restaurant and had a meal

809
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: that was so good, the best meal of your life,

810
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: and then you came back and ordered that same meal

811
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: and they changed all the ingredients, and it's not even

812
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: the same dish anymore. That's what happened here. So I

813
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: came here looking for a double stuffed crust pepperoni pizza

814
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: and I got chicken pop pie with lentils. Like, what

815
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: is happening here? And for somebody who likes chicken pop

816
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: pie with lentils, maybe you enjoying this movie. But for

817
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: somebody who wanted that pizza, you're like, what this isn't

818
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: what I ordered. And I also think Todd Phillips maybe

819
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: it took all the criticism of Joker One and thought, well,

820
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: this is what people didn't like about this movie, so

821
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: let me completely change it on the sequel. People thought

822
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: the first one was too dark, so let me liven

823
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: it up with some musical numbers. I did completely hate

824
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: all of the musical numbers. I think he needed one.

825
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: I think that would have got the point across of

826
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: what is going on in Joker's mind, how he and

827
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: Harley Quinn interact with each other. I think you needed

828
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: one moment. There were multiple moments throughout the entire movie,

829
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: maybe ten moments at least, where they burst into songs.

830
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: And it feels cringe worthy to see Joker doing this

831
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: because the moments he did this in Joker One where

832
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: you don't know if it's reality or fantasy, it had

833
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: a different tone. It was more intense and more of like, oh,

834
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: what is exactly going on here? Here? It was very

835
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: clear you have Lady Gagaja belting or brains out, and

836
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: it just did it fit. And none of those musical

837
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: moments had any impact on the movie, any impact on

838
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: the story for which there was very little story. It

839
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: is Arthur Fleck dealing with the fallout of the events

840
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: that happened in the first one. He is on trial.

841
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: People wanted to fry for this. He has caused an

842
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: uprise that is just bubbling underneath in Gotham, and now

843
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: he meets Harley Quinn, who is now quote unquote the

844
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: love of his life and he feels not alone anymore,

845
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: and that is really all the stories. So I feel

846
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: like there wasn't enough here to carry on a two

847
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: hour plus movie, where if they would have just made

848
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: it more like one given us, the exact same thing

849
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: could have been a ninety minute movie cut all the

850
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: musicals add some more substance to the story, but I

851
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: don't think that would have been fulfilling to Joaquin Phoenix

852
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: or to Todd Phillips. So I think they decided to

853
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: make this thing that is just not resonating with anybody.

854
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: So I think most audiences are leaving saying what was that?

855
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: So I don't regret going to see it. I started

856
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: to see some of the uproar and some of the

857
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: review bombing come out early on, but I don't really

858
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: let that change my perspective on wanting to see a movie.

859
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel that once one person says something negative,

860
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: it is so much easier for a lot of people

861
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: to team up on something negative. But if you enjoy

862
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: Joker one, I still would not tell you not to

863
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: see Joker Too, because I love Joker one, and I

864
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: still feel like I got something out of experiencing this

865
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: because you almost have to see it and decide for yourself,

866
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: and then, like me, try to start erasing this movie

867
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Speaker 1: from your memory, because I don't think it was meant

868
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: to be made. I think with the first one being

869
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: so successful, we are just in that state of media

870
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: right now where if something has so much success, to

871
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: try it again. But this just didn't work. It was

872
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: a big swing and a big miss for Joker. Fully,

873
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: I do they put the rating in the title It

874
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: is two out of five defense Attorneys. It is two

875
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: out of five. You can just hear it in my voice.

876
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: How sad I am to do this review. I did

877
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: not think I would be sitting here at this point

878
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,479
Speaker 1: of the year reviewing Joker and giving it anything less

879
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: than a four. Because even when that trailer dropped and

880
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: the cinematography, all those still shots look amazing, this movie

881
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: still looks good. It's still expensive, two hundred plus million

882
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: dollars that it costs to make, so visually it is

883
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: still there. The performance is the acting, I would say,

884
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: is still there. It is still quality. It is just

885
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: them doing something that you just don't really care about,

886
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: and it just never hooks you in. So not in

887
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: the same way that Aquaman two is so cringe to

888
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: watch because there's cheesy, long, bad, cgi horrendous acting. That

889
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: movie is flat with action. This is just bad because

890
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't even really feel like a movie. It feels

891
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: very abstract. It feels like there's a lot of metaphor

892
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: in it, which there is a lot about the human condition,

893
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: a lot about how we treat criminals, a lot about

894
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: how people follow people for doing ridiculous and crazy and

895
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: criminal lacks. So there is that messaging in this movie,

896
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: but it slapped a bunch of crap on it that

897
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: nobody really sees that. So again for joker fole, I

898
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: do I give it two out of five frown ne fuss.

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00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: It's time to head down to movie. Mike Traylor Park The.

900
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: Rock isn't an actor. He just recites lines and collects checks.

901
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: And I used to be a big fan of the Rock.

902
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: I grew up watching him wrestle. I liked a lot

903
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: of his early movies when he was just an action star.

904
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: But I feel like as his celebrity has grown, the

905
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: time he can dedicate to movies becomes less and less,

906
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: and that becomes apparent. Maybe not to everybody, but I

907
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: can clearly tell when a project of the Rocks was

908
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: merely a just a little blip on his calendar, which

909
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: I imagine he is in high demand all the time,

910
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: traveling around the world doing all these events. He has

911
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: all these companies he's involved with, and it seems to

912
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: me that there was a point in his career where

913
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: movies were at the forefront. That is what consumed a

914
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: lot of his time. And I would say in the

915
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: twenty tens, he put out some good movies that maybe

916
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: on paper, weren't the best movies ever, but there were

917
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: movies that resonated at least with me because they were

918
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted from him an action star. The

919
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: Jumanji movies are good. Oh maybe the first one second

920
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: one is kind of the exact same thing, But after

921
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: that just feels like he showed up on set that

922
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: had some lines maybe slightly remembered before he sat down,

923
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: walks into the room. There's even a point in this

924
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: trailer where it feels like he just walked onto set

925
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: to deliver a quick line. So I don't really feel

926
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: I've ever had a true acting performance from the rock

927
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: maybe back in the early two thousands when he was

928
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: like really trying. I don't want to say Scorpion King,

929
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: but maybe Walking Tall, the movie he did with Johnny Knoxville,

930
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: which was a remake, but I think that was the

931
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: Rock at his best, and I think it was his

932
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: involvement in Black Adam and how long he was attached

933
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: to that movie. And since then, it just seems like

934
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: he uses his celebrity, his followers on Instagram and TikTok

935
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: to promote his movies. And yes, that is still going

936
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: to make people aware of his films. They'll still perform

937
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: moderately at the box office, but I don't think that

938
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: is going to be around forever. And when I saw

939
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: the trailer to Red One, which I've been seeing it

940
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: now in theaters for a while, it is one of

941
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: those movies that just feel fels like an advertisement. It

942
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: feels like they spent two hundred million dollars on this

943
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: movie and are now just saying, can we advertise this

944
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: movie enough to make our money back? And they're gonna

945
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: spend so much money on marketing. The movie is coming

946
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: out on November fifteenth, so I guess hoping to get

947
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: people into the Christmas spirit before even Thanksgiving hits. It

948
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: seems like they're going for the younger demographic here when

949
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: it comes to the writing and the characters, especially the

950
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: polar bear character in this movie. But what the movie

951
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: is about. There's a super villain. He kidnapped Santa Claus,

952
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: who is played by JK. Simmons, So shout out to JK.

953
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: Simmons for getting his bag. The Rock is, of course,

954
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: the big musty guy who is the head of this

955
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: elf organization who has to join forces with Chris Evans's character,

956
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: who is this hacker slash tracker, and his job is

957
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: to team up with the Rock in order to find

958
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: Santa Claus and save Christmas again. This movie is coming

959
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: out on November fifteenth. I thought it was a parody

960
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: before I get into more. Here's just a little bit

961
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: of the Red One trailer.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to the North Pole, Come again.

963
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 7: Last night Red One, also known as Saint Nicholas Amyra

964
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 7: was abducted.

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00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 5: Are you saying Santa Claus has been kidnapped? You're the

966
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 5: best tracker in the world. You're gonna help us find him?

967
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 8: I work alone, you used to. I'm not gonna like you.

968
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 8: I can tell right away. Out of everyone here, I

969
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 8: like you the least. Garcia.

970
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: What the heck should we did the thing.

971
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 5: I'm afraid we're gonna have to.

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Speaker 1: Listen to that delivery In those lines, Chris Evans trying

973
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: so hard to sell this movie. I almost feel that

974
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: his role was intended to be more of a Ryan Reynolds,

975
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: like that is maybe who they thought would play alongside

976
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: The Rock. But I feel like, even though they said

977
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: they get along now their time together on Red Notice,

978
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: which is another Red movie, I don't think they really

979
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: like each other anymore, because it seems to me like

980
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: Chris Evans is kind of playing that sarcastic, witty character

981
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: that I don't know, I'm completely buying into by just

982
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: the look and feel of this trailer. But they're also

983
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: working with a really, really ridiculous script here, so maybe

984
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: he's just trying really hard to say it. And I'm

985
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna go out on a limb saying that this is

986
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: probably gonna be the worst movie ever made with Red

987
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: in the title, and I hate that movie is like

988
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: this contribute to the fact that people think that movies

989
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: just suck now because on paper, this feels like a

990
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: legitimate movie. You have The Rock, you have Chris Evans

991
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: aka Captain America, you have Lucy Lou you have JK. Simmons,

992
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: you have all these recognizable and reputable actors in the movie.

993
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: So you see this trailer and you think, oh, take

994
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: my family to go see that. It should be a

995
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: good movie. And then you are handed this. So then

996
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: you get bait and switched and you're given a bad

997
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: movie with bad acting. The trailer itself tells you everything

998
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: you need to know about the movie from beginning to end,

999
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: and that is a bad sign. And then we actually

1000
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: get a Latino actor in this movie. But what does

1001
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: he do. He's voicing a polar bear. Could you imagine

1002
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: him getting a call from his agent, Hey, got you

1003
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: some great work. You're gonna be in a movie with

1004
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: The Rock. Oh, that sounds awesome. Also, Chris Evans is

1005
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: in this movie. This is great. What character do I play? Well,

1006
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna play a polar bear and we're not even

1007
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: gonna see you on screen. Ah, I'll take it. How

1008
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: much is it paying? And this was initially going to

1009
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: be a straight Amazon Prime movie and then it got

1010
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: shelled for a while and now I think in order

1011
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: to make some of this money back is the reason

1012
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: they're putting it out in theaters. The Rock is also

1013
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: taking home a pretty good payday for this movie. I

1014
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: think he's making twenty million dollars, and he negotiated for

1015
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: some money on the back end, So I think that

1016
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: is the big push to get this movie out in

1017
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: theaters because he wants it to do well. He wants

1018
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: to have more money on the back end. And I

1019
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: can't hate on him for that, but I just feel

1020
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: like there should be somebody in his life that you're

1021
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,479
Speaker 1: at this point in your career where he is trying

1022
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: to branch out a little bit. He's going to be

1023
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: an a twenty five movie. He's not gonna be able

1024
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: to get away with doing quote unquote acting like he

1025
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: is doing here. It's gonna have to show some emotional

1026
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: range in his characters and prove that he could not

1027
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: just be the exact same person in every single movie,

1028
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: delivering these half baked lines time and time again, and

1029
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: that people are still going to come back just because

1030
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: how big of a celebrity you are and how many

1031
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: followers you have on Instagram. The moment this trailer lost

1032
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: me is whenever they have this slab match, which is

1033
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: a funny, ridiculous sport. I go on TikTok and I

1034
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: see these insane matches that seem so brutal, and I

1035
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: can't even believe this is a real thing that people

1036
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: do because you have no defense when you're just standing

1037
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: there and taking a full slap to the face, full force,

1038
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: with no way to protect yourself. And the fact that

1039
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: they were able to work that into the plot of

1040
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: this movie just tells me all I need to know

1041
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: about how ridiculous it is going to be. And this

1042
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: movie will continue to test the theory that star power

1043
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: alone will get butts into seats, and I think over

1044
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: the last couple of years especially, it's proven that it

1045
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: doesn't work. You still have to evoke some kind of

1046
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: emotion in audiences to get people there and want to

1047
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: pay money to see these movies. And this just isn't it.

1048
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a movie that comes out in theaters

1049
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: tanks and more people will end up watching it whenever

1050
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: it goes to prime video. We just gotta stop making

1051
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: movies like this.

1052
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: And that was this week's edition of Movie by Frame or.

1053
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: Par and that is going to do it for another

1054
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: episode here of the podcast. And speaking of we gotta

1055
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: stop making movies like this, still wild to me how

1056
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: much joker iiO bombed at the box office, came in

1057
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: like fifteen twenty million dollars under what they thought it

1058
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: was going to make, only made forty million dollars on

1059
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: a two hundred million dollar budget.

1060
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Speaker 6: That is wild.

1061
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: All Right, Enough about me being upset about movies in

1062
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: the last couple of years and movies coming out of

1063
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: the rest of this year. Gotta give my listeners shout

1064
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: out of the week, which I do every single week.

1065
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Speaker 1: This week, I'm going over to YouTube where you can

1066
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: check out individual movie reri. You can also listen to

1067
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: and watch the full A Nightmare on ELM Street interview

1068
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: that'll be up tomorrow on my YouTube page YouTube dot

1069
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Speaker 1: com slash Mike Distro, where you can find the link

1070
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: in the episode notes. This week's listener shout out is

1071
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Nacho Blazer, who commented on my Substance review and said,

1072
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: I love the Substance. If you like weird, uncomfortable but

1073
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: creative body horror, you should go see this movie. The

1074
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: message of the movie might also be important to some,

1075
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: so appreciate that Nacho for watching over on YouTube, for commenting,

1076
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: and that review in particular kind of took off more

1077
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: than I thought it would, so I'm glad people are

1078
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: showing some love to that movie. I hope more people

1079
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: will give that movie a chance after me talking about it.

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