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Speaker 1: So Blake Lively has landed in a bit of hot water.

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Speaker 1: It is the perfect storm. It is the convergence of

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Speaker 1: so many things happening at once. It is a cautionary

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Speaker 1: tale with many many lessons. So, first and foremost, Blake

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Speaker 1: Lively and Ryan Reynolds are beloved. They are presented as perfection.

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Speaker 1: When people tell you how incredible you are and really

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Speaker 2: I mean, she is the star, She is a princess.

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Speaker 1: She hosts the met gala and lands the role and

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Speaker 1: the outfit and the glowy makeup and the long blonde hair,

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Speaker 1: and her best friend is the most famous woman on

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Speaker 1: the planet Earth. And she has beautiful children, and everything she.

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Speaker 2: Says is just always idolized.

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Speaker 1: And she was on a show playing the role of

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Speaker 1: the most popular girl in school for years, and she

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Speaker 1: likely was the most popular girl in.

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Speaker 2: Her own school for years.

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Speaker 1: And she starred in this movie that's about domestic violence.

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Speaker 1: The poster doesn't look as serious as the movie is,

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Speaker 1: and her press about the role is very girly and

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Speaker 1: people perceive as a rom com when it's such a

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Speaker 1: serious topic. Now, it's not entirely relevant that I grew

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Speaker 1: up in a domestic violentine. But I did, and I

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Speaker 1: do see the severity of it, and I do realize

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Speaker 1: your whole life can't be summed up by domestic violence,

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Speaker 1: because in many ways, it can be summed up by

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Speaker 1: domestic violence, because it's not something you can separate. It's

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Speaker 1: part of your being, your fiber, it's part of your quilt.

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Speaker 1: I have issues sexually as a result of my violent home.

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Speaker 2: I have issues in relationship. I have issues trusting men.

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Speaker 1: I have a myriad of issues in my life that

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Speaker 1: will never ever go away as a result of my childhood.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she didn't realize that maybe she didn't deeply

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Speaker 2: I was in a lifetime movie.

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Speaker 1: I stuck the landing, and I think I did well,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know that I, in my every fiber

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Speaker 1: not a professional actress. I was just happy to have

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Speaker 1: accomplished what I accomplished. She also is someone who is

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Speaker 1: a celebrity in twenty twenty four, which is very different.

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Speaker 1: I remember the first time I saw Jennifer Aniston promoting

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Speaker 1: in their marketing lane. They're marketing films, they're marketing television.

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Speaker 1: They know how to do press junkets. They know how

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Speaker 1: They know how to market a book. But when you

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Speaker 1: get into merchandising, marketing and branding, it's a different game.

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Speaker 1: I was one of the first to monetize a media

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Speaker 1: in the cocktail space, with many to follow, including George

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Speaker 2: But that's only one category. Blake has a haircare brand.

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Speaker 1: Blake also has a cocktail brand or a brand that

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Speaker 2: She has a platform, she has a megaphone. I've been there.

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Speaker 1: You're doing an article for Forbes magazine and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: You're going to talk about this, and you could talk

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Speaker 1: about be strong in charity. I mean, that's what publicists advise,

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Speaker 1: And it's something that people are very scared about. I

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Speaker 1: other celebrities in twenty twenty four, trying to market everything.

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Speaker 1: So she's marketing her cocktail, her movie, she's marketing her relationship,

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Speaker 1: But she's losing the plot in realizing that she's there

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Speaker 1: In Hollywood in general doesn't move the needle as much

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Speaker 1: We saw this with Jennifer Lopez for the first time

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Speaker 1: Because what happened. She was marketing her skincare. She was

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Speaker 1: is unfortunate is quote unquote I don't believe in cancelation anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in it. But cancelation, you know, people

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Speaker 1: It's a moment in time, it's a feeding frenzy. It's parasitic.

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Speaker 1: It's really not positive. Like I said, I don't know

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively or Ryan, and I'm going to say the

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Speaker 1: benefit of doubt is that they're lovely people. I had

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Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni on my podcast. Their movie is getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of pr I don't know if that's translating into sales.

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Speaker 1: But I don't believe in people being dragged. But I

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Speaker 1: that are getting dragged.

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Speaker 2: That's what I really do believe in. After walk to

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Speaker 2: the faster, to the faster

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Speaker 1: Back to the faster,