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Speaker 2: That for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard

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Speaker 3: And them and Tye, welcome back to the solid Rabba

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Speaker 3: boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildenbrandt, that fine

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Speaker 3: gentleman over there, still in the heart of the Midwest.

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Speaker 3: Still flustery, wintry, cloudy out here.

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Speaker 4: Ty.

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Speaker 2: It's totally good. Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you forty?

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Speaker 2: And Sonny, I can't complain. Everything's good. Uh, happy to

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Speaker 2: get to talk to you, Ty. What's better than that?

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Speaker 1: Well, how about this?

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Speaker 3: We do have a little bit of brook news.

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Speaker 2: Feel I'm confident with your voice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there had been rumors about Chip Kelly with

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Speaker 3: It's been ten years, got to go all the way

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Speaker 2: And it's also right, it's just the l latest piece

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Speaker 3: Let's talk to Bruce about the situation at Ohio State

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Speaker 2: You've got what five to seven Kurt Signetti questions, so.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ty, with that, it is our pleasure to

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows Bruce. He was here a couple months ago

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Speaker 4: I think so? Okay, think so there's like one other

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't even know what's left in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about like a coordinator opportunity, like a Jeff

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe not even to that degree.

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Speaker 2: But okay, okay, fair enough. So did the Chip Kelly

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Speaker 2: did that come as a surprise to you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, because it so it was Ryan Day and

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Speaker 2: Doesn't that sort of and this was always the case

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Speaker 4: For Ryan Day? Yes, I do. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: like that? That I think with Dan and I were

438
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: talking about earlier, that formula seems to be a bit

439
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: of an open question at the moment who is in

440
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Speaker 3: charge of what? And it was a same deal with

441
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brian when he took the gig as well. But

442
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 3: do we have any sense for what that what that

443
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: looks like in terms of who's running what.

444
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Ryan Day's plan was, Hey, I need

445
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 4: somebody to I want somebody not I need because it's interesting.

446
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: He's really good, you know, O me. He's in the

447
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 4: Mizoo game, in the bowl game, notwithstanding when you know

448
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: they're down to their third string quarterback or maybe a

449
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: four string whatever you want to call, you know, kind

450
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 4: of oles from from South Dakota. He was he's talented,

451
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 4: but he's super young. So I think that part was,

452
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 4: you know, it's hard because he's giving up something he's

453
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 4: really good at, but that's what he wants to do.

454
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 4: And I think that ultimately probably you know, they're loaded

455
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 4: now because they've gone all in on Nil this offseason,

456
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: as you guys know. So it's I don't want to

457
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 4: say it's a national title or bust, man, it feels

458
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 4: like that.

459
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: It feels that way. What does Chip want to do

460
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: long term?

461
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 3: Does he have aspirations of being an NFL coach, a

462
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: college coach, a pro coordinator? Like where where do you

463
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: think think his career goes next?

464
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 4: I think it's like, hey, I want to be the

465
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 4: best offensive coordinator I can here. I don't think realistically

466
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: he knows he just turned sixty. I don't think he

467
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 4: SAIDs here to go. Oh I'm going to be an

468
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 4: NFL head coach again. You know, could he be an

469
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: NFL coordinator? Sure? You know, I think this opportunity gives

470
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 4: him the best chance to really coach football and do

471
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 4: that and then kind of go from there. You know,

472
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 4: it's it's interesting, and you know, obviously Dan is a

473
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 4: big Oregon guy. Like we lived near where Chip lived

474
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 4: and so I was around him a lot, and I

475
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 4: think he seemed to be very like he loved it

476
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: out here. I think he seemed to be very comfortable,

477
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 4: and you know, with a lot of things. I just

478
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 4: think that the way the sport had, the way college

479
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 4: football had changed, I think it became being a head

480
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 4: coach was just way different. I'd be surprised if he

481
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 4: ever wanted to be a college head coach again. I'm

482
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Speaker 4: not saying, and I don't like he's never told me, oh,

483
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 4: I'd never be a college head to coach again, but

484
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: I would just be surprised with the way things are going.

485
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 4: I think he wants to coach football, and you know,

486
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 4: if he was going to be a college head coach again,

487
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 4: my guess is it would be someplace that the three

488
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: of us would not be covering New Hampshire.

489
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: Back to New Hampshire full time.

490
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: Right. What was the reaction at UCLA Bruce?

491
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 4: They were they relieved with him leaving or Deshaun getting

492
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 4: the job?

493
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: I mean both really, because it's been no secret that

494
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: the relationship was fractured between Ship and the powers that be,

495
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: and we know from your reporting and that of others

496
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 3: that there was a lot of love in the building

497
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: for Deshaun Foster to bring him back.

498
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: What is like the vibe at Westwood.

499
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: I think it's it's like wait and see on Deshaun. Sorry,

500
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: I'm trying to shoehorn like a thing, a coffee figure.

501
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: Into People are getting the real Bruce Feldman.

502
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the real Bruce Feldman who never drank coffee

503
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: till I was almost fifty. And then because I became

504
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: a sideline reporter and I was, well, sorry, I'm going

505
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 4: down a tangent, but I no, You're good. So I

506
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: never drank it ever, ever, ever. And then I was

507
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 4: in Lubbock or something and I had to do a

508
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: live hit for our pregame show, and it was like

509
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: six thirty my body clock time, and I was like,

510
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 4: I need something for my energy. And the only way

511
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: I could drink coffee, sadly, embarrassingly, was to like dump it,

512
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 4: you know, an armful of sugar in it. So I'm

513
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 4: but now I love the smell of it, and I

514
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 4: love the taste of it. I love the smell of

515
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: it more so It's great.

516
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: I love coffee. Yeah.

517
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I think there was a ton of people,

518
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: including a lot of people I know who are like

519
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 4: you know, UCLA grads who were so excited that Chip

520
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: was gone, whatever it took, because they were really over him.

521
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 4: They were over that. You know, I think they they

522
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 4: spent way more, you know, a lot of time on

523
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 4: why are we not recruiting well? And you know they're

524
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: not getting good high school recruits. And the one in

525
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 4: the last few years who was a highly ranked kid

526
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 4: for them, Dante Moore. I don't want to say he

527
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: was a bus because that's not fair to him, but

528
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: he really struggled mightily in his time last year. So

529
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: it's like I think there was a lot of frustration

530
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 4: among the fans. You know, it's weird because they won

531
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: twenty five games in the last three years. It wasn't

532
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 4: like they were and they smashed USC two of those

533
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: three years. It wasn't like, you know, on the field

534
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: was one thing. It was just the other stuff. And

535
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: I think it, you know, you looked at it. It's

536
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 4: not surprising that u USC can pay Danton Lynn way more.

537
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 4: He was a defense corner for one year. They were

538
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: already paying him actually pretty well for a guy who

539
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: had no DC experience, but then UCLA swooped in, and

540
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 4: USC swooped in and paid him a lot more, and

541
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 4: then he was able to bring two of their better

542
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 4: young players defensive backs with him to USC. And that's

543
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: like kind of sticking, you know, it felt like a

544
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: knife in the ribs kind of vibe. So Chip not

545
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: being a head coach for them, I think there was

546
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 4: a lot of UCLA fans who were very relieved and

547
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: happy by that news. What they were going to get

548
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: after that. You know, I would ask you guys this

549
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: because you guys like PJ. Fleck was a real target,

550
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: right and for this search. And that's why Martin Jarmon

551
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: flew down to Cabo because that's where PJ. Fleck was

552
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: on vacation.

553
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: That's why that and not to interview Jetfish.

554
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: Apparently the Jetfish thing is is is kind of a

555
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 4: head scratcher in this regard. If this, if this search

556
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 4: happened two months ago, Jetfish probably you know, I could

557
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: see Jetfish at UCLA. I mean they lived in in Hermosa,

558
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 4: which were people from here is you know, it's like

559
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: one town over from where Chip lit. But it's you know,

560
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 4: I think they liked it here. He made a lot

561
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: of connections here. He did a he did a pretty

562
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: awesome job at Arizona, and he were you know, his

563
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: staff has a lot of ties in Los Angeles and

564
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: especially in southern California. But you know, let's be honest.

565
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: I mean like, right now, Washington is a much better

566
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 4: job job then U c l A in terms of

567
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: the resources it has, right and so so in that regard,

568
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: it didn't make much sense that he's gonna, oh, I'm

569
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 4: gonna take that job where you know, it's an uphill battle.

570
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: I'm not saying no one will be able to get

571
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: the nil for NL stuff ramped up. DeShawn might be

572
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: able to do it. You know, DeShawn was a great

573
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: player here, and he's a really engaging guy with a

574
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: good sense of humor and and you're very likable. So

575
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 4: maybe that's that. But you know what I was going

576
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: to say when I asked you about you know, p J.

577
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: Flock has done a good job at Minnesota and did

578
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: a really good job at at Western Michigan. I was like,

579
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 4: I don't know how that's going to play, because he's

580
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: going to be where he goes is going to bring

581
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: the row, the boat vibe I mean, Dan, you grew

582
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 4: up in southern California, you know, Tie you you know

583
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: you've been around.

584
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: I've taken him around.

585
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: What do so if p I Fuck had gotten the job,

586
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 4: By the way, Pjfuck was already making north of like

587
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: making what Chip Kelly was making in a place where

588
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it was it doesn't cost anything to

589
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: live in Minnesota, but it doesn't cost what it costs

590
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 4: to live in Los Angeles, right, So all of a sudden,

591
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: he's like, what are you gonna have to pay him?

592
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: You know, supposedly there was like a talk of seven

593
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 4: point five million or whatever. It's like, now you're paying

594
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: PJ Fleck money. Like PJ Fleck doesn't even have a

595
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: winning record in the Big Ten since he's been there,

596
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: and he was on the easier side of the divisions,

597
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: you know, so I don't you know, again, it.

598
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: Didn't feel like a UCLA vibe. It didn't whereas like

599
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: I think you can get away with like not having

600
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: necessarily that vibe in basketball when you just need to

601
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: bring in three awesome players. And just like UCLA has

602
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: gone outside geographically of the footprint and it's worked. My

603
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: question is a disrespectful one, and I don't know how

604
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: to phrase it in a non disrespectful way, And it's

605
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: not disrespectful intentionally, it's not dispectful to you. It's at

606
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: this stage we're recording this right around Valentine's Day, which

607
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: is outside of that the big first portal window. It's

608
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: obviously outside of signing day and the ability to form

609
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: relationships like is DeShawn Foster and he wouldn't be the first,

610
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: but is he like a secret interim? Is he a

611
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: secret interim coach? That basically where UCLA is in this cycle,

612
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: it's they're in a position that's set up to fail

613
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: because they're gonna have they're going to lose key players,

614
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 2: They're not going to be able to add players for

615
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: at least a couple of months. He's starting laid in

616
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five recruiting cycle. And we've seen it

617
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: when coaches have gotten fired, whereas like John L. Smith

618
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: clearly isn't the long term answer in Arkansas, but he

619
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: needed to step in stuff like that. So my question

620
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: is is this going to become even if it's not

621
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: the case for Deshaun Foster, but because of how late

622
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: UCLA is in the cycle with this move, Does it

623
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: actually make sense to find somebody that isn't going to

624
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: cost them a lot of money if it doesn't work

625
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: out and they can get jump on the next cycle.

626
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: Is that like a very cynical but possibly true way

627
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: of looking at it?

628
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 4: Spoken like an organ fan.

629
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: I think.

630
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 4: I can see where you're coming from with it, and

631
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: I don't.

632
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Like Deshaun Foster might be great and it would be

633
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: a surprise, and it wouldn't cost them a lot of

634
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: money and it would be great for everybody.

635
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: Like on I guess it was Saturday. I want to say,

636
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: like I did an update to my search story and

637
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: I think it went up Sunday morning, so it's maybe

638
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: Saturday eight night. I started kind of rolling my head around,

639
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: like because I knew that the deal about, Like Deshaun

640
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: before he left, before he left to go take the

641
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: Raiders job, he had dinner with Martin Jarm and the

642
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: AD and it was like, hey, you know, if Chip

643
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: does leave, right, what do I have a real shot?

644
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: And Martin, I think, was being pretty candid when he

645
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: said I prefer somebody was with head coaching experience, And

646
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: not only did Deshaun not have that, he hadn't been

647
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: a coordinator, and like, this is I think an interesting

648
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: point for the three of us is Okay, that's usually

649
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: the path. You know, let's say everybody wasn't you know,

650
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 4: Urban Meyer was not a coordinator. Jim Harbaugh was not

651
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: a coordinator. There's plenty of good coaches who are not

652
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator offensive coordinator. When Dave A. Rand is a

653
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 4: defensive guy, we're not Lincoln Riley as a you know, I.

654
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Think Mike Tomlin wasn't a coordinator, right.

655
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know he's a great defensive backs coach, right yeah,

656
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 4: And and oh yeah, I'm sure there's a bunch like that.

657
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: There was guys who were like maybe had different roles

658
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: as a assistant head coach or something. But it's just,

659
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 4: you know, there's there's a lot of stuff that goes

660
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 4: on with that job, and they're all gambles. I would say.

661
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 4: In this regard, it was like, hey, we're going to

662
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: give DeShawn a shot.

663
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: Now.

664
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: What's tough is they're going into the Big Ten, which

665
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 4: is a deeper conference schedule. Is hard. You know, it's

666
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 4: like going in and they have LSU. It's like I

667
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 4: looked at it, you know, the other day, and I

668
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: was like, man, they're going to struggle to win six games,

669
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: maybe seven, and I think they would have, Like I'm

670
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: an Ethan Garber's you know, I believe, you know, I

671
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: think he's a really good quarterback. When Ethan Garber's was healthy,

672
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 4: UCLA was really good when he wasn't. They weren't and

673
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: he would if he's still in the same system and

674
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: Chip Kelly's there. I think Ethan Garber is one of

675
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: the best quarterbacks in the Big Ten this year. Now,

676
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: I don't know yet who Deshaun is going to hire

677
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 4: as his play caller and OC. It's a critical hire,

678
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: you know, but let's say they go six and six. Man,

679
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 4: it's tough if you're if you're thinking the way you

680
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: just outlined it, that year two, you're going to be

681
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 4: on the hot seat, right, that's not you got to

682
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: give him a chance. I mean, you also want to

683
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: give him a chance. Like this first year.

684
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: The schedule is rough, The schedule is so rough.

685
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 4: But he's taking on in mid February. Yeah, so I

686
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 4: know he was there before, but he wasn't there as

687
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 4: a head coach. So now you know, it's got to

688
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 4: be a massive outreach to go try to do whatever

689
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 4: you can to get people engaged and do what you

690
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: can because now, like you know, you asked about the

691
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: reaction to Chip, you know, leaving Like now all those

692
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: people who are like pumping their fists about it, Okay,

693
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 4: are you going to step up now? And you know,

694
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 4: I'm not saying be like Tennessee or Texas A and M,

695
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: but you're gonna have to commit a lot more earls.

696
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 4: This thing's not gonna you know, it's not going to

697
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 4: get going.

698
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: That was gonna be my question, Bruce, Like, if the

699
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: implication is that Chip Kelly didn't have the right relationships

700
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 3: to pull those levers, so to speak, to get the nil,

701
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 3: to get some of these other things working on UCLA

702
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: football side, what are those levers? What what does the

703
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: job look like for Deshaun Foster if he wants to

704
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 3: be in their long term?

705
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: It's not just winning, right.

706
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: It's the Casey Wasserman lever I believe, right?

707
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean is that what it comes to?

708
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 4: I mean, what's interesting on that? Dan so So. I

709
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 4: don't know how many of our you know audience knows

710
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: who that is. He is a huge booster. He's actually

711
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: one of the you know the one person. I think

712
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: there was a story on one of the recruiting sites

713
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: that Chip was going to get fired. I think it

714
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: was before the USC game or that was when the

715
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: story came out and I had talked to Martin Jarmy

716
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 4: and he was like very dismissive of the story and

717
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: the report and it obviously didn't turn out to be accurate.

718
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 4: But Casey Wasserman spoke to I think the Orange County Register,

719
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 4: it was like no, you know, like he was a

720
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: believer in ship at that point and was won't put

721
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: his name on it. And what what's tricky about that

722
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 4: is like, you know you're one your biggest booster or

723
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 4: the most prominent one though is also you know works

724
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 4: in the agent space, right, Like some of the wires

725
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 4: can get crossed here. And I know this from you know,

726
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 4: being around UCLA a lot over the last few years.

727
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 4: You know, there was a time and the conference meetings

728
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 4: every year where it's like pretty much every conference except

729
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 4: for the SEC is there. I think it was two

730
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 4: years ago, coming up on three years, but it was

731
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: two years ago when in Scottsdale there was a lot

732
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 4: of talk about hey, this is you know boosters cannot

733
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 4: be acting as paper play and nil. Obviously we've seen

734
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: them like the Tennessee case and lots of cases. That

735
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: has now become almost the norm, But for a long

736
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: time that was like taboo, and the PAC twelve conference

737
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: especially was like you know, and I know this from

738
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: like Rick George, who's the ad at Colorado, is one

739
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 4: of the more outspoken ads in what was the Pact

740
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 4: twelve you know, was basically trying to hold people's feet

741
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: to the fire on we're not doing all that because

742
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: we know that that's not against the rule, we know

743
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: that that's not acceptable or whatnot. Now that's there's been

744
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: a shift of that. But I think as all this

745
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: stuff has played out again, Mike, when you're when you're

746
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: most prominent, booster is also works in the agent space,

747
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: I think it gets, it gets potentially, you know, pretty complicated.

748
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: So who of the new hires across the sport? So

749
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: if we're going to sort of expand this a little bit,

750
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: so who fills that ven diagram most successfully or at

751
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: least in a most intriguing way. That you mentioned Bill

752
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: O'Brien as a fit at Boston College because of local

753
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: connections and familiarity with the area college coaching head coaching experience.

754
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: But whether it's you know, Kurt Signetti or Mike Elko

755
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: or Manny Diaz, Jeff Levy, like any of these guys,

756
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: who do you think fits the both ball coach and

757
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: politically savvy behind the scenes Kalin de boor Alabama Jetfish Washington.

758
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: I'm probably leaving Brent Brannan now Arizona, who occupies the

759
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: middle of that ven diagram in the sort of most

760
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: intriguing way long term to you.

761
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 4: I'm curious on the O'Brien front because he has a

762
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: lot of ties in there. His wife is a b

763
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: C grad. You know, he has a big name. Obviously,

764
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: he spent a lot of time with the pages. I

765
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 4: don't know how well he's gonna, you know, jump into

766
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 4: being the casino greeterer guy, you know, right, that kind

767
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: of thing.

768
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: He does have that look though, let's be honest, he

769
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: has a future in it.

770
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 4: Like it's a really interesting hire to me. You know again,

771
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: if you asked me in the old school way. When

772
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 4: I say old school, I mean like two years ago,

773
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 4: like okay, grade these hires, because it's not what you

774
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: just asked me. You asked me about you know this

775
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 4: other stuff. You know, like like to me, the if

776
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 4: I was doing it like in the Great I was like, Okay,

777
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 4: John Summroll to Tulane, that's an A plus higher. That

778
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 4: guy killed it at Troy. Anybody who's ever talked to

779
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: him for a while knows like the people had a

780
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: chance to hire him in this cycle and didn't. I'm like, Okay,

781
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 4: that kind of dings the hire that they did make.

782
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 4: I think he's you know, I think he's a great coach.

783
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 4: I think he does a lot of like he gets

784
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: a lot of the big picture stuff and you know,

785
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: like Tulane, Tulane's money people emerged and stepped up with

786
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: Willie Fritz as he got that program going, and I

787
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 4: think that there's a chance there, you know. I'm I'm

788
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 4: really curious, like on how Kalen does at Alabama. I

789
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 4: think he's really smart, but it's such a different job

790
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 4: from where he is. And now you're placing the greatest

791
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: coach of all time in the sport. You know, Man,

792
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: that's that's heavy. Like I think Jed will do well

793
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 4: at Washington because all the stuff, like Jed is he

794
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: kind of fits what you just described, you know, the

795
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 4: challenge I think he's going to face is to not

796
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 4: come off as too much of a salesman, right that, like,

797
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: you you know, are we really going to have you

798
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 4: for six years? You know that kind of thing. I mean,

799
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 4: because what he did at Arizona was again was was

800
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 4: amazing job. And most of that staff is there and

801
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: we know that, you know, they can, they have the

802
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 4: potential to be really really good. It's just now they

803
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 4: got to replace twenty starters. You know, that's a ton.

804
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: So I think those are those are the ones that

805
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: I thought were the most intriguing of how they do it.

806
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's some guys like you know, I know

807
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: Brant Vincent is a good offensive quarter. He's going to

808
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: ulm like like, you know, what does that mean do

809
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: you take Tim Brando out for shots wana wanting to

810
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 4: get the you know, to get it going. I don't know,

811
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: you know, like in a place like that. I know

812
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 4: he's a good offensive coach. I just don't know, you know,

813
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: like how the nil the you know, the schmoozing part

814
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 4: works well.

815
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: Mike Elko has a leg up, right because he's spent

816
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: a decent time there and so he knows people. So

817
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: that seems like it's it's it seems like he's starting

818
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: on first or second base.

819
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: What's what's tricky with the Mike Elko higher is he

820
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: gets there and now there's an ad search and I

821
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 4: you know, for his sake and probably for the you know,

822
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 4: for the program's sake, like they're the number two is

823
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: Justin Moore, who has been there a long time as

824
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: a former A and M pitcher. He's not old, but

825
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 4: he's been there, you know, pretty much. He's there in Houston,

826
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: I think his whole career. And I think that would

827
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: help them a lot because then all of a sudden

828
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 4: there's continuity. I think it's dicey when all of a

829
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 4: sudden you get hired and then there's a new ad

830
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: comes in. You know, we don't know how that's going

831
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: to go. Like Sharon Moore situation is interesting just because

832
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: you know, he won a national title. He had a

833
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: huge role in it, and Jim Harbaugh took a bunch

834
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: of key pieces and now your arch rival is like

835
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a video game like analogy to it

836
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 4: where they've taken all the you know, all the amped

837
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: up fuel and now they're all muscled up it's like,

838
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: you know, a super Mario Brothers thing kind of where

839
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: you're just like so inflated to dominate them. Now now

840
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: you have to combat that, right and so you know,

841
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 4: are the money people there really engaged or did they

842
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: just take a big sire or leaven a big breath

843
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 4: and go, Okay, we're good for a little while.

844
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: I feel like there has been this tendency to project

845
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: all of our opinions on the current state of the

846
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: coaching carousel. Specifically, are you hearing about current coaches, more

847
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: coaches that are souring on the sport, looking for the exits.

848
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: More chips half Lea's Peterson? Yeah?

849
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: Is that a trick or is that just a take?

850
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: Where are you at on that argument question?

851
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 4: I definitely think it's a trend. I think it's this.

852
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 4: It's where if guys have the opportunity to go to

853
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: the NFL, they're going to go to the NFL because

854
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: the calendar is what it is right now, and there's

855
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 4: just like I think you have. I think there's a

856
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 4: lot of stuff that is getting conflated right where. And

857
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: I'm not saying people are wrong to say, oh, this

858
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: is the thing or that's the thing, but I think

859
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that are getting intertwined. And like,

860
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 4: you know, like Jeff Hafley was a great defense coordinator

861
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 4: Ohio State. I thought he was going to do much

862
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: better than he did at BC, And if he went

863
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: four and eight next year, I don't know, they might

864
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: have had to have a coaching search, you know. So

865
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 4: like whereas now he goes to Green Bay Packers and

866
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: if they if he does really well, he's probably interviewing

867
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: for NFL head coaching jobs a year from now. And

868
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 4: you don't have to worry about somebody coaching my good

869
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 4: you know, right tackle or slot receiver, because that's what

870
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 4: he had to worry about at BC every year. So

871
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: I think, like I think those are like I think

872
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 4: that's an issue, and then I think the calendar isn't

873
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 4: is a real issue. But like you know, I go

874
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 4: to the Combine every year, and I have a coaching

875
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: friend who's like a NFL assistant, and so we talked

876
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: about me coaching my kid, and he he all of

877
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 4: a sudden, because I wrote about it, Like now, all

878
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I get like all these other coaches

879
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 4: who you know, kind of found, you know, talk about

880
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: that and so this particular guy was like, yeah, I

881
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 4: get to coach my son in baseball. I would never

882
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 4: be able to do that if I was a college

883
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: coach anymore. And I think, just think the quality of

884
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 4: life aspect is opened up significantly for them and I. Again,

885
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 4: so why I brought that up, that last part up

886
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: is I don't know if some of that is because

887
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: of like some of these coaches may see me and

888
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, yeah, when you talked about coaching your

889
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: kid and you talked about this, or I did a

890
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 4: I had Chris Peterson on as a podcast guess when

891
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: when Stu is away, and we talked a lot about

892
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: issues kind of related to this. So I think, you know,

893
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 4: maybe I indirectly, without trying to, I put up some

894
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: kind of a little bit of flair and so people

895
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: see that, you know, whereas like I'm looking at Dan,

896
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 4: you know, here in the left corner, and I'm like, yeah,

897
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 4: we I may talk to him about you know, pizza

898
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: or Evanston or something, you know, like just because I

899
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 4: know that's a common ground kind of thing, see it,

900
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 4: you know like that. I don't I don't want to,

901
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: you know, undersell the question, but I do think there's

902
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: a little bit of that with me, whereas you know,

903
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 4: maybe they're not talking that way with Ross Dellinger, you know,

904
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: or maybe they're not gain that way with other reporters

905
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 4: just because it's like a little different.

906
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: What what is the calculus at this point with coordinators

907
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: in college as they evaluate, you know, what a head

908
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: coaching job looks like versus what the NFL looks like.

909
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: You mentioned that if somebody's going to have an NFL opportunity,

910
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: they're going to take it. But at the same time,

911
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: college coordinators, especially at you know, high profile places. You know,

912
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: I just saw like Glenn Schuman and Dan Lanning were

913
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: both at like the Golf Turnament and Phoenix together, and

914
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: he's a name that's going to continue to attract attention

915
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: because he understands what it takes inside of a giant

916
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: machine in college, Like, is that going to affect the

917
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: way these top level coordinators view the sport and some

918
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: of the opportunities they will or won't pursue.

919
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 4: I think it depends on the guy, you know, because

920
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: there's only so many of them. But like, you know,

921
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: Schuman's a good example on this in terms of like

922
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 4: why not.

923
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: Become you know, Mike McDonald, right, if you're Glenn Schumann

924
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: and you know, just make a coordinator jump instead of

925
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: coordinator head coach coordinator, like a halfway move.

926
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you can, if you can make that again.

927
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: I mean, there was a guy I got to know

928
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 4: when he was a young coach in my meet market days.

929
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 4: Ryan Nielsen was like the youngest defensive line coach in

930
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 4: the SEC at the time, and kind of like he

931
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: bounced around a bunch of places. There's some really small schools,

932
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: like he was at Central Connecticut, which the only you know,

933
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: which is like near ESPN, and then he was a

934
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator there. But then he went to like Tennessee

935
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 4: Martin and then in the MAC and then eventually he

936
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 4: did he was a really good position coach and he

937
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 4: got on with the Saints and there was some opportunity

938
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: for him to go to go back to college. And

939
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 4: I think he was pretty smart and was like, okay,

940
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 4: I can see where this is headed. I'm you know,

941
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 4: kind of figured out what was important for that job,

942
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 4: and I don't. I would guess it was interesting to

943
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: me because now he was the Falcons coordinator this year

944
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 4: and he did he did well his side of the

945
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 4: ball did well, right, and then he got to the Jaguars.

946
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 4: But some of these guys is like, and Mike McDonald

947
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: kind of fits in this category, I think, you know,

948
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 4: now he doesn't anymore, But like where unless they came

949
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 4: from that that McVay shanahan kind of little kind of

950
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 4: terrarium that was in Washington ten years ago. I feel

951
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 4: like a lot of people don't really know who these

952
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 4: people are. They're just kind of like, you know, they're

953
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 4: kind of nestling with the ravens or something, right, whatever,

954
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden they pop and they

955
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 4: blow up and then it gets that way. Whereas in college,

956
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 4: you know, anybody who was a college football fan, I

957
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: felt like they kne who Dave Randa was, you know,

958
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 4: and they the weird one is like Phil Parker, Like,

959
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's obviously statistically great, but they don't, you know,

960
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 4: I don't think outside the you know, they know who

961
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 4: the other coordinator was for not that, of course, but

962
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 4: mostly in college, I feel like, and again this maybe

963
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 4: because I cover college more than the NFL, but I

964
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 4: feel like people know more about necessarily who those guys are,

965
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 4: and you can kind of see the path and I

966
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 4: think that has changed in the last few years where

967
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 4: it's become a little more interchangeable, right where there are

968
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 4: guys who this pipeline up moving. Like Mike McDonald's a

969
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: great example. You know, he left his brother, Jim Harbaugh's

970
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: brother's staff, went to Michigan, did great, and then bounce

971
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 4: right back and Harbaugh, you know, I knew this because

972
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: you know, I'm talking to people in them process. Harbaugh

973
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: basically when he went to do this search to replace

974
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 4: McDonald at very specific criteria, and Mike McDonald had worked

975
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 4: with Jesse Minter and kind of kind of schooled him

976
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 4: a little on what he would need to ace that

977
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: interview and jesse mentor if you look statistically, you know,

978
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: he was at Vandy, they were really struggling. You know,

979
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 4: on paper, it was like this would probably be a

980
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 4: tougher sell on the bio, but it turned out to

981
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 4: be a great hair for him, obviously, and he's done

982
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 4: well and now he's you know, back in the NFL.

983
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: And I think it's all of that of like, you know,

984
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 4: I feel like sometimes and I do this too, like

985
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: we kind of tend to look at, Okay, these are

986
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: the stats and this is what the numbers are and

987
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 4: sometimes the numbers can either be misleading or they don't

988
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 4: really tell the whole picture, you know, Like we had

989
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 4: this I did this story which was on last summer

990
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 4: on the Life of an Ara, a defensive coordinator, and

991
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 4: one of the former air defensive coordinators had gave me

992
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 4: a line about like, yeah, if you're in the Big ten,

993
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: you know, it's like you're you're statistically going to be

994
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 4: a lot better and kind of explained it, and it

995
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: backs up. You know, obviously like Iowa, Michigan, Penn State,

996
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 4: they all statistical were really good. Now except for Ohio State,

997
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 4: there weren't a lot of explosive offenses either in that league.

998
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 2: Yep.

999
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: No, So it's it's yeah, it's an interesting kind of

1000
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 4: dynamic that we're kind of treading into.

1001
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Michigan for a second. We're now what

1002
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: two three weeks into Sharon Moore's ten year, and we've

1003
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: seen cup coaches come and go. The most recent, I

1004
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 2: think is what Wink Martindale taking over the defense also

1005
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: from you know, that sort of head of that Ravens

1006
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: defensive tree for a long time. What has been the

1007
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: internal reaction at Michigan thus far obviously late in the process,

1008
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: you know, coming off of a national championship, is Sharon

1009
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: Moore looked at as a stable, futuristic guy because of

1010
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: the experience and the interim experience he had at Michigan.

1011
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: Are people sort of questioning based on you know, some

1012
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: hires and some losses that aren't like a great reflection

1013
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: on Sharon Moore at the moment at least. And I

1014
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: don't know if anybody really expected like Jesse Mint to

1015
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: stick around when his name was as hot as it was.

1016
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: But it doesn't seem like it's been, at least from

1017
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: the outside, the splashiest first two or three weeks. What

1018
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: has been the reaction internally and in the coaching community.

1019
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 4: You know, I think most people felt like he deserved

1020
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: to get the job, and so I think there's a

1021
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: lot of people like, Okay, good, he deserved, you know,

1022
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 4: because there's not like it wasn't just like the typical coordinator, right.

1023
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 4: He was the guy who was the head coach in

1024
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 4: unique circumstances, and it wasn't like he was his head

1025
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 4: coach when they played Nebraska, Illinois and Rutgers, they played

1026
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 4: at Penn State, and they played their art rival and

1027
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 4: he did. He did a great job in all three

1028
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 4: of those games, including the trap game against Maryland. I

1029
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 4: think what was a little bit of a gut punch

1030
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 4: to a lot of them. And I remember reporting this

1031
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: early and I got a lot of blowback because I

1032
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 4: was surprised, but I had a pretty good source saying

1033
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 4: Ben Herbert was expected to leave Eve to go to

1034
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 4: go with Harball, and I think there had to be

1035
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 4: people inside Michigan who believed, you know, maybe even including

1036
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 4: the ad that he was staying. And because there was

1037
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: a lot of pushback on that report initially, I mean,

1038
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 4: I haven't called an idiot by as many people, you know,

1039
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 4: unless like went to Stu's wedding or something where Stu

1040
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 4: it was. That's that was to me a significant loss

1041
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 4: because that guy, you know, when you talk to like

1042
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 4: NFL people think he was like the best strength coach

1043
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: in the country and the development aspect of what he

1044
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 4: did there was a remarkable job. And so now they

1045
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: promoted somebody who was a protege of his, who was

1046
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 4: with him at a couple of stops, and it's probably

1047
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 4: as good as you could hope to do. If you

1048
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 4: can't get get Herbert to stay. You know, I'm interested

1049
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 4: to see how Wink Martindale does. He's obviously has a

1050
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 4: terrific NFL resume and that's a splash. That is a

1051
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 4: splashy Hire by the way, Yeah, it is in a

1052
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 4: lot of ways. I think, you know, if you told

1053
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 4: me that, out of loyalty, Charon, not just out of loyalty,

1054
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 4: but you know, part of out of loyalty, Sharon was

1055
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 4: going to do co coordinators with Mike Elston in Clink

1056
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 4: Scales the secondary coach and Elson being the defensive line coach.

1057
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: I think, Okay, based on what people have told me there,

1058
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if that would have gone that great,

1059
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 4: to be honest, So we'll see how this is going

1060
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 4: to play out. I think, you know, Kirk Campbell is

1061
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 4: so many people inside Michigan they really like Kirk Campbell

1062
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: was the guy who got promoted to be the quarterback

1063
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 4: coach because Jim Harvell put the quarter of the actual

1064
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 4: quarterbacks you know, in the in the interview process or

1065
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: in that process, and they really gushed about him. So,

1066
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 4: you know, I'm interested to see what Sharon does. I think,

1067
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: like I said, I think he deserves absolutely deserved the job.

1068
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 4: And now let's see where it goes. I feel like

1069
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 4: the pressure I won't see, the pressure is off him.

1070
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 4: But if they go eight and four, considering they lost

1071
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 4: almost everybody, you know, it's a tough league. There's gonna

1072
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 4: be a lot of payback on them. If they go

1073
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 4: eight and four, that's not to me, that's not a

1074
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 4: bad year after all the guys they've lost, and that

1075
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 4: I think the challenge is. And look, you know, wive

1076
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 4: State's probably going to try to beat them fifty to

1077
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 4: nothing or seventy to nothing. But you know, like I

1078
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 4: feel like he needs time and let's see. Let's let's

1079
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 4: check back in.

1080
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: Three years, four years Bruce's final one from me, hopefully

1081
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: to bring it full circle. We've talked a lot here

1082
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: about college coaches perhaps seeking that opportunity at the next

1083
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 3: level in the NFL. What we haven't talked about is

1084
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 3: whether or not the NFL actually wants college coaches. It

1085
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 3: wasn't all that long ago that Chip Kelly was all

1086
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: the rage, that Urban Meyer was all the rage. We

1087
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 3: go through these cycles where sometimes the NFL wants the

1088
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: hot name from college, but more often they don't. So

1089
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: projecting forward, are their names in the college ranks that

1090
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: you have heard that you would surmise could be NFL

1091
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 3: caliber and would be in demand should some of those

1092
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: opportunities come available.

1093
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 4: Look, I think, you know, Urban Meyer probably had some

1094
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: role in giving them, you know, and certainly Matt Ruled

1095
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 4: to some extent. But like Urban never coached there. You know,

1096
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 4: he went in there and it did you know, as

1097
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 4: you know, it was a disaster, right, And so I

1098
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 4: think for for coaches who and general managers and owners

1099
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 4: to sit there and go, oh, this guy's really successful.

1100
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 4: But like, and I'm not saying Dabo would be Urban,

1101
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 4: but there are guys who never coached in the NFL,

1102
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 4: never been a part of that world. Quite honestly. Lincoln

1103
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 4: Riley is a really good X and O's guy, but

1104
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 4: Lincoln's never been up there, you know.

1105
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: And so Kirby Smart has.

1106
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, in some ways I feel like Kirby

1107
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 4: is in like his own kingdom there. Yeah, they have

1108
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 4: all these you know resources, he's from there, he played there.

1109
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 4: Does that not mean that like five years from now,

1110
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 4: you know, and I don't know, the Falcons own would

1111
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 4: be like ninety three, But like, would he ever want

1112
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 4: to be the Falcon? I have no idea, no idea,

1113
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 4: but the guys who I'm like, oh, this guy could

1114
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 4: be upwardly mobile, Like if ohiotly wins the national title

1115
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 4: this year, Ryan Day has been in the NFL. Ryan

1116
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 4: Day is a good you know, offensive mind. I don't

1117
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 4: know if if they look at and go, okay, we've

1118
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: slayed that dragon. You know, his name two years ago

1119
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 4: was really hot and then because of Michigan it cooled off.

1120
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 4: But he's somebody I like of the two of them,

1121
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 4: and I feel like they get lumped together quite a

1122
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 4: bit for a variety of reasons. I feel like, because

1123
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 4: his NFL experience, I think he's different than Lincoln. And also,

1124
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 4: you know, quite honestly, he's a lot closer to winning

1125
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 4: a national title than where you know, USC is. And

1126
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 4: it didn't mean to like kind of foist Lincoln into

1127
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 4: this conversation, But if if the Seahawks do really well

1128
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 4: on offense, will people look at the Alabama head coach

1129
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 4: and say, you know what, that's that guy's mentor and right,

1130
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 4: you know, like he's been a really good offensive coordinator,

1131
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 4: and would he you know, I again, I don't see

1132
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 4: Kalin de boor you know, bouncing after one year I

1133
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 4: don't think you make that move and then all of

1134
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, you run from it or you know,

1135
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 4: bail out. But like, he's somebody who I could see

1136
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 4: the NFL having some interest in because he's you know,

1137
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 4: been involved with some really really good offenses, you know,

1138
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 4: the defensive. Like I feel like these are primarily offensive,

1139
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 4: you know, relate discussions like could Dave A. Randa if

1140
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a really good year end up as

1141
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 4: somebody's defensive coordinator in the NFL? Yeah? I think so.

1142
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 4: I mean he's you know, he's he's a really good

1143
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 4: defensive coach, and I think that he could be on

1144
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 4: people's radar, right, I think that would, you know, not

1145
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 4: be shocking. I just don't know how many how many

1146
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 4: guys who are head coaches you have to have that

1147
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 4: like that really depths of expertise on that side of

1148
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 4: the ball, not just to be like to go be

1149
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 4: a position coach or something.

1150
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: Final question, what percentage of coaches who interviewed somewhere? What

1151
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: percentage of those interview subjects are actually known?

1152
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 4: Because of what we're doing right now? This format, this changed,

1153
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 4: This changed the category category categorization of an interview, right

1154
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 4: well way more interviews, and the three of us did

1155
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 4: not have to go fly to Dallas and go to

1156
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 4: you know, hang out at some airport lounge to conduct

1157
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: this because of the zoom.

1158
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: But we should try that someday. Just why not.

1159
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 4: I think that that has opened up the number, like

1160
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 4: because there's a couple of coaches I know, I was like, wow,

1161
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 4: this person was like yeah, I zoomed with them, and

1162
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that many people like that. The process

1163
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 4: has got that much more involved, where you can you

1164
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 4: can cover a lot more bases that way. Well, you know,

1165
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 4: like for a head coaching job. I don't think it's

1166
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: just like hey, we're going to put you on the phone.

1167
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 4: But now the zoom aspect, you can I mean you

1168
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 4: can't really, you know. I think this is the first

1169
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: step and then if it goes well, then you either

1170
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 4: fly in or they meet you somewhere. Right, That's that's

1171
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: a little different. But yeah, you can say I interviewed

1172
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 4: for the head coaching job and you wouldn't be wrong.

1173
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 4: It's a lot more than we know. And I'll be honest,

1174
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 4: there's a handful that happen every search room. Like do

1175
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 4: you want that out? Do you not want that out

1176
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 4: right like, because usually people don't want it out that

1177
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 4: they interview.

1178
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: Usually, Okay, there's a name, and this is I think

1179
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: of a special interest to tie James Franklin. James Franklin's

1180
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: name comes up and it's a number of people who

1181
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: report on the coaching search world and coach hires and

1182
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: college football news. He's at a huge job at Penn State.

1183
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: He's from the state. I believe he's from somewhere in

1184
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: like Central PA. Where's Stroudsburgh? Is that where he's from?

1185
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: Time he went to school in Stroudsburg.

1186
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: He went to school in Stroudsburg. His name has come

1187
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: up with you know, big openings, Texas, USC wherever is

1188
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 2: he aggressive? Is his agent aggressive? Is it somebody out

1189
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: of thin air speculating. I'm not accusing anybody of anything,

1190
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: but why does his name come up as much as

1191
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: it does? Is he actively looking for a new job?

1192
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think before you know, look,

1193
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 4: he has had he's switched agents, probably a year ago,

1194
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 4: maybe eighteen years ago. I think sometimes what you know,

1195
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 4: maybe the agents can be you know, can be aggressive.

1196
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 4: I will say this on this part whenever whenever, And

1197
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 4: this happened with Alabama. It's like, and I think I

1198
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 4: had tweeted, Yeah, one thing, I can be sure. I

1199
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 4: don't know who's going to get the job, but I

1200
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 4: know Jimmy Sexon is going to get a lot of

1201
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 4: people paid in this right, I you know, swear to God,

1202
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 4: Jimmy Sexon is not texting me anything. He's not calling

1203
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 4: me or whatever. Like that's you know, I don't talk

1204
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 4: to him or whatever. And I'm I think the bulk

1205
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 4: of the people, I shouldn't say the bulk. I think

1206
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 4: there's you know, a lot of people who are reporters

1207
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 4: who don't sit there and like, oh, this agent is

1208
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 4: feeding me information. They may get it from somebody who

1209
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 4: works with a coach in some capacity, but I don't

1210
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: think I think that would surprise. There's a handful of

1211
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 4: reporters who are in the insider space who I do think,

1212
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 4: you know, maintain relationships with agents, But I don't think

1213
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 4: that's always where it comes from. I just think, you know,

1214
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 4: you can kind of see how these things play out,

1215
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 4: and then you have other sources, and so you're going

1216
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 4: to report on them when it comes to Franklin, I

1217
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 4: really thought usc you know, for a couple of reasons

1218
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 4: was a sensible spot for him because you know, first

1219
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 4: of all, his you know, he has a daughter with

1220
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 4: some with some physical health challenges, and being close to

1221
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 4: like a big medical center made a lot of sense

1222
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 4: for the family. I think. I also think from a

1223
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 4: personality standpoint, you know, you could see him probably in

1224
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 4: a major media market. I was not one to be like, oh, yeah,

1225
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 4: he's going to be the head coach at you know,

1226
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 4: some of these SEC schools, because I just didn't think

1227
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 4: that was realistic of he was gonna that was going

1228
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 4: to be a move he's gonna make, right. So, I

1229
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 4: don't know how like this cycle, I'm trying to remember

1230
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 4: where did his name come up hot for Alabama? Maybe

1231
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 4: a little bit. I didn't think it was that real.

1232
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: The last time I remember hearing his name might have

1233
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 2: been when Mike Norvell took Florida State at a huge place. Ty,

1234
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: what do you tie sort of a minor in James

1235
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: Franklin rumors?

1236
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: Ty, Yeah, I mean there there were some tangential mentions

1237
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: of him with Texas A and m.

1238
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 4: And that one I didn't that went to me didn't

1239
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 4: make any sense either, Like it didn't like the one

1240
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 4: place where I think I had saw him as a

1241
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 4: real candidate, and obviously avason happened in a few years

1242
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 4: was usc you know, like right now, like this past

1243
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 4: year was not a great year for him or certainly

1244
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 4: his offense. You know, obviously he fired offensive coordinator, but

1245
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 4: it was like that was a program where I think

1246
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 4: some of us thought, mannyk are a dark horse to

1247
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 4: be a playoff team because they have a lot of

1248
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 4: pieces around. We've heard really good things about Drew Holler

1249
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 4: from inside the program. And then they went out and

1250
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 4: they you know, played good opponents when they did play

1251
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 4: good opponents and didn't just were done out offense.

1252
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, the general sense that I have

1253
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: gotten over the years is that if he's leaving, it

1254
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 3: is somewhere that is bigger, not necessarily a bigger school,

1255
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: but a bigger media market, a bigger city.

1256
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 4: There weren't that many places that fit.

1257
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: Then there aren't.

1258
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: There aren't, and in a lot of cases those aren't

1259
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: great college programs. So it is a bit of a

1260
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 3: strange situation. Maybe not a strange situation, but a specific one.

1261
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 3: That has always been the general sentiment that I have gotten.

1262
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 4: He's interesting in from this standpoint where he's won a

1263
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 4: ton of games. But I feel like, and you could

1264
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 4: speak to this certainly better than me. Tie is like

1265
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 4: you know when Usila, when Chip left, there was a

1266
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 4: ton of UCLA fans that were very happy about this.

1267
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 4: With James Franklin, like, how would the Penn State fans

1268
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 4: feel about him if that move happened?

1269
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, I think there is this sentiment

1270
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 3: of Penn State fans wanting to win something, the constant

1271
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 3: feeling of being close and not being able to get

1272
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 3: over that mountain is difficult and they can wear you down.

1273
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 3: And the ten and two ceiling essentially the ten and

1274
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: two ceiling exactly, that has warned people down. So if

1275
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 3: Franklin were to leave or be removed, you would have

1276
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 3: a large swath of the Penn State fan base that

1277
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 3: I think would celebrate it. Never mind the fact that

1278
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: he's been a very successful coach. He's just got a

1279
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: lot of talent on hand, and it's an objective fact

1280
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 3: that he is not winning these big games, so people

1281
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 3: be happy about that. My question has always been who's next, Right,

1282
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 3: If not Franklin, who has been very, very successful, who's

1283
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 3: the next guy that's going to come in and suddenly

1284
01:07:58,360 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 3: take Penn State to the mountain top.

1285
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 4: I wonder, this is like, you know, what percentage of

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Speaker 4: fan bases are actually really happy with the coach they

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Speaker 4: have and it's probably you know, it just kind of,

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of blew my mind a little bit

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Speaker 4: that there was like we gotta fire a Ruyan day.

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Speaker 4: I was like, really, do you know what the guy's

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Speaker 4: record is. It's like, you know, Luke Fickle had one

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Speaker 4: year in there, now he took under really adverse circumstances.

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Speaker 4: He's a really good coach, but it's like it is

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Speaker 4: not easy to win like eleven or twelve games in

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Speaker 4: a year, you know, And it's just like I think, man,

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Speaker 4: there's just not a lot of it's hard to sustain.

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Speaker 1: It's tough, man, It's a tough business.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could argue a month ago, maybe Arizona's fan

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Speaker 2: base was the happiest in America, right, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: just the expectations aren't huge. Jed Fish surpasses them. They

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Speaker 2: have a quarterback of the future, They beat a huge

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Speaker 2: program in a Bowl game like pound for pound, Arizona's

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Speaker 2: fan base might have been happiest. Recruiting hasn't been incredible,

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Speaker 2: but it's been improved, and yeah, I think Oregon's fan

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Speaker 2: base is happy. I think Texas's fan base is probably

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Speaker 2: really happy right now, just sure is looking super bright.

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Speaker 2: Georgia's probably though they didn't make the playoff this past year,

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Speaker 2: but even still, I think Georgia's fan base is probably

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Speaker 2: thrilled with the direction of everything. But I don't know

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Speaker 2: how many beyond that there are.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I think all Missus fans are happy because now

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Speaker 4: that and I always beg part they, you know that

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Speaker 4: feel like this will be a big year for Lane.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think getting to the playoff now is

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Speaker 4: not going to mean as much as it certainly did

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Speaker 4: till this year, So.

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Speaker 3: I think that'll be the new measuring stick though, you know,

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Speaker 3: and maybe we could wrap on that. I think the

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Speaker 3: expansion in the playoff is going to be the new

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Speaker 3: threshold by which a lot of aspiring fan bases hold

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Speaker 3: up their coach.

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Speaker 2: They Missus pumped with their coach, Miszoo's.

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Speaker 3: Pumped, but they want to get to the playoff now, right.

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Speaker 3: If you don't get to the playoff, I think that's

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Speaker 3: going to force some decisions to places that maybe.

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Speaker 4: Any getting to the playoffs though, of like what you

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Speaker 4: just said where we're talking about James Franklin, them going

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Speaker 4: to the playoff like they would have been to the

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Speaker 4: playoff a bunch.

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Speaker 1: They would have been to the playoff a bunch of times. Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 1: for sure, Bruce.

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Speaker 3: We could talk to you all day.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: As always, I want to give you a chance to

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Speaker 3: enjoy that coffee over there. Bruce Feldman from The Athletic,

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports The Audible Podcast. Always a pleasure, always enlightening.

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Speaker 3: We'll bring you back soon.

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Speaker 4: All right, all right, thank you guys. Always good to

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Speaker 4: see you. All right, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Bruce Feldman, the Athletic, Fox Sports, The Audible Podcast, one

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01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 3: of our oldest friends on this podcast, always willing to

1342
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 3: come on and share his wisdom. We're always grateful to

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01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:44,919
Speaker 3: have Bruce's insight here. I don't know, I'm I'm hopeful

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01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 3: now that we have reached a point where we're gonna

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 3: stop seeing news like this for a couple of months,

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01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 3: for a couple months, durrible time for a couple months. Yeah,

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01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 3: and that's not me so much saying it personally. Whenever

1348
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: we've got content like this, people want to know more

1349
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 3: about it. They download the show, they listen, they write

1350
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 3: in soliverbogmail dot com. Find us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,

1351
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 3: all the hotspots. We would encourage you to do so

1352
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 3: if you have additional thoughts. I just hope for the

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 3: sake of like college football and the fan base generally speaking,

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01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 3: for college football, there have been so many moving pieces

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Speaker 3: this offseason, not just with the portal, but with coaches,

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Speaker 3: with assistant coaches, with guys coming and going and coming.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot.

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Speaker 3: It'd be nice to just have after the Super Bowl, now,

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Speaker 3: after football is like officially ended in some sense, it'd

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 3: be nice to have a little bit of a moment

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Speaker 3: here to catch our breath, to reacquent ourselves with who

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01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: is on what roster at this point, who is coaching whom,

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Speaker 3: and then just slink our way into spring football a

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Speaker 3: couple weeks down the line.

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Speaker 2: Here's my idea, College football, NBA, all these sports, they're

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Speaker 2: so volatile, NFL, you got these constant changes. Is here's

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Speaker 2: the new Bruce move. Japanese baseball transaction from Major League Baseball. Right,

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Speaker 2: there's like three a year, maybe it's like six a year.

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Speaker 2: They all happen at the same time. Bruce could learn

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Speaker 2: Japanese right, and like fill a market gap, right, and

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Speaker 2: he's the guy in terms of like breaking the Yamamoto

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Speaker 2: to the Dodgers. That's his name, right, one of the

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Speaker 2: new Dodger pitcher. I think Bruce uses his skill, translates

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Speaker 2: that to a new arena and becomes Bruce felman Son.

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Speaker 3: Has there been a situation like that where a big

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Speaker 3: time I don't know, I'll call him a scoop artist,

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Speaker 3: oh an intersport transition, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 3: guess like Schefter's done a little bit of that where

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Speaker 3: he's reported on college stuff, but that's mostly mostly because

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Speaker 3: of his Michigan connection. But what I'm talking about is

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Speaker 3: like Adam Schefter suddenly going and working baseball or NBA rumors.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know, like the number of actual

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01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: that needed to that would need to be turned for

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Speaker 2: Adrian Wojnarowski just like you know what this year I'm

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 2: doing softball. I'm just doing all the softball NCAA softball moves,

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Speaker 2: Like would you have to have three dinners and then

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Speaker 2: he'd be ready to roll? Probably, I don't know. I'd

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Speaker 2: had like the stunt right, like the ESPN like stunt

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Speaker 2: crossovers where like they'll have like I remember Ari Wasserman

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Speaker 2: had This wasn't an ESPN stunt one, but he had

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Speaker 2: Brian Windhorst on to talk about college football because Brian Windhorst,

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Speaker 2: you know, NBA reporter, newsbreak or whatever, is a huge

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Speaker 2: Ohio State fan. So you've had like some crossover fandom elements.

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Speaker 2: But like, yeah, could Buster only like turn a dial

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: and report on NFL free agency. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: turning a dial actually means, like have dinner with five

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Speaker 2: people and like show up, do like a spring tour

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Speaker 2: and create those sources. And I again was it's Jeff

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Speaker 2: passing Poissan. Yeah, yeah, you know, have him do something

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Speaker 2: like I would love for that to be the case

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01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 2: and to see if anybody who is actually oh I

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: was much better equipped to break again Japanese baseball transactions

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Speaker 2: to Major League Baseball. That'd be great. I'm into it.

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Speaker 3: to plan for twenty twenty four. We've also got something

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Speaker 3: that we're going to send out to the masses as

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Speaker 3: well to get some of your input. But we would

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Speaker 3: encourage you all, of course to check.

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Speaker 1: Out for Ballers dot com. That is sort of the

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Speaker 1: ADA center for all of this.

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Speaker 2: Dan, we need your support, We love your support, We

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Speaker 2: treasure your support.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, big thanks to our guest of honor today,

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Speaker 3: Bruce Felman again the athletic Fox Sports the Audible Podcast.

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Speaker 3: We'll have him on again sometime soon, certainly if news

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Speaker 3: keeps breaking in the fashion that it has over the

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Speaker 3: last couple of months. The news of the day again,

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Speaker 3: Chip Kelly off to Ohio State, the Sean Foster going

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01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 3: back to UCLA, Bill O'Brien going back home to Boston

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01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: going to coach the Boston College Eagles. For that guy

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Speaker 3: over there, my good friend Dan Ruminstein, form myself, Tie Hildebrant,

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Speaker 3: talk to you a little later on this week.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,