Speaker 1: Hello everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm Devin Simoon and I'm Anise Ferra, and this is
Speaker 2: MTV's official Challenge podcast, and today we're covering episodes nine
Speaker 2: and ten of The Challenge Free Agents. And remember you
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Speaker 3: Okay, episodes nine and ten, the CC just gets better
Speaker 3: and better.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, okay.
Speaker 2: Fighting, running towards each other, people putting balls in the
Speaker 2: wrong places.
Speaker 3: Laurel and Kara.
Speaker 2: You know that jet com and Kara thereson everybody.
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: So good, so much happening, And we're going to get
Speaker 3: into it because we have a very special guest to
Speaker 3: talk to about the episodes. But before we do, let's
Speaker 3: talk about our throwback moment of the episode, and let's
Speaker 3: talk about our let's leave that in the past.
Speaker 1: I'll go first this time.
Speaker 3: I think my throwback moment, and this is of nine
Speaker 3: or ten. I think it would have to be Kara
Speaker 3: versus Laurel, and I know that we don't know how
Speaker 3: that plays out yet, but just the fact that we've
Speaker 3: been building and building and building. I think it's so
Speaker 3: satisfying when a show that you're watching or any kind
Speaker 3: of story, there's nothing worse when you don't get a
Speaker 3: resolve or things don't come to a head. So I
Speaker 3: love that we get to see that organically. And the
Speaker 3: thing I think we'd leave in the past would have
Speaker 3: to be I mean, I get why they voted Kara in,
Speaker 3: but I actually didn't love it. I also didn't love
Speaker 3: Kara taking out her anger on Jess. I really feel
Speaker 3: like Jesscott was kind of like picked on a little bit.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say picking on rookies in that way
Speaker 3: like Jess earned her stripes, I'm gonna say that one
Speaker 3: was not my favorite.
Speaker 1: And she put up a hell of.
Speaker 4: A fight, Yeah, she really did.
Speaker 1: What about you and Nini?
Speaker 2: I don't know a moment of the episode, I mean,
Speaker 2: Johnny and Nannie pulling off that win with that tangram.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll ever see it again. So
Speaker 2: it's a moment, you know what, It's definitely a moment.
Speaker 2: Let's leave that in the past.
Speaker 5: Hmmm.
Speaker 4: I don't know what I would leave in the past.
Speaker 1: Liked it all voting car even though she's injured.
Speaker 2: I mean that sucks, yes, but like it's happened to
Speaker 2: more people, so yeah, I mean it sucks though, So
Speaker 2: we can't leave it in the past.
Speaker 4: If you want, we got to agree to leave it
Speaker 4: in the past.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Also leave my anger in the past that we were
Speaker 2: supposed to be done twenty five minutes ago.
Speaker 3: It took you twenty five minutes to figure out what
Speaker 3: you wanted to leave in the past, so that could
Speaker 3: be part of the reason.
Speaker 4: So I guess you get your paint prushures back.
Speaker 3: Is this episode is brought to you by Fun because
Speaker 3: it will be fun so excited to have this trio
Speaker 3: back together again, Anissa, myself, and the fabulous champion that
Speaker 3: is John.
Speaker 5: Ay.
Speaker 3: She's coming to us straight from Nest in Nashville, where
Speaker 3: Anissa will be soon. So for those who are keeping
Speaker 3: an eye on NISA's whereabouts meet her Nest.
Speaker 4: Wow, thank you.
Speaker 2: I'd like to be like, we're in the world, is
Speaker 2: Carmen san Diego. I don't want people to know where
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: But wasn't the point of that show for us to
Speaker 1: figure it out?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then it couldn't cature because she was somewhere
Speaker 2: else all the time. I'll be in Nashville some month
Speaker 2: at some point this year.
Speaker 1: See there you go.
Speaker 3: But what she'll be doing right now is discussing Free
Speaker 3: Agents episode nine and ten with me and John Ay
Speaker 3: coming up. So you won't want to miss this. Don't
Speaker 3: go anywhere. We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 1: She is an icon. She is the moment.
Speaker 3: She is someone who has let me stay on her
Speaker 3: couch once when she was in LA and having her baby.
Speaker 1: Shower for her first child.
Speaker 3: She is brilliant, She is beautiful. She is a multi
Speaker 3: time champ. She is John Nay.
Speaker 4: Round of.
Speaker 3: Yes, back to back. Drake was wrapping about you are
Speaker 3: we surprised though I know he's a fan of yours.
Speaker 4: I know, I wasn't going to say anything. Actually, I
Speaker 4: was kind of.
Speaker 5: Like, you're.
Speaker 4: Welcome, you know, welcome back.
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 6: I'm good? Really good? Uh, full fledged summer over here
Speaker 6: at my house. You know, two kids, summertime, mom, So.
Speaker 3: What do you do in the summer time with the kids?
Speaker 3: Because how old are they now?
Speaker 6: So Nally will be seven in August and cal just
Speaker 6: turned three.
Speaker 4: Oh so cute.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I just I basically say I say goodbye
Speaker 6: to like all my friends and everybody, and like, I
Speaker 6: can't have any conversations because I, you know, have to
Speaker 6: be with them one hundred percent. Summertime for moms is
Speaker 6: very it's a lot.
Speaker 2: But well, I would like to go back to a
Speaker 2: time where we didn't have any kids and maybe we
Speaker 2: had edibles.
Speaker 1: We do have any kids. I first got those from
Speaker 1: Johnny too.
Speaker 4: Actually I have like a lollipop.
Speaker 6: I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Speaker 4: I don't know either. She loved candy though.
Speaker 2: It's funny because Johnny, we're not on either one of
Speaker 2: the episodes we're going to discuss. But that's okay, right
Speaker 2: because I haven't watched them until last night.
Speaker 1: Johnny, did you watch them?
Speaker 6: I just watched them today and I didn't before, and
Speaker 6: so I was like, I wonder if they know that,
Speaker 6: like I left episodes, I had to like look it up,
Speaker 6: like when did I go home? But yeah, no, I
Speaker 6: watched them today and had free agents like back in
Speaker 6: the good days right at the challenge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was going against It was heartbreaking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I really hated that.
Speaker 4: I was that that was so sad.
Speaker 6: Watching watching free Agents. That's like this was this was
Speaker 6: the beginning, like this is a pretty good season, like
Speaker 6: an iconic season of like you know, it was the
Speaker 6: beginning of a lot of like rivalries, the beginning of
Speaker 6: a lot of friendships, you know, big sister, little sister.
Speaker 6: And he said, that's what we have going on. But yeah,
Speaker 6: it was. It was good to like go back and
Speaker 6: do blast from the past and see what happened after
Speaker 6: I left for.
Speaker 3: Both of you, Because you guys weren't there, I'm curious
Speaker 3: what were your thoughts watching this daily.
Speaker 7: I like to welcome everybody to dugout all right.
Speaker 5: As you can see, there are.
Speaker 7: Six giant ramps dug out into the ground. There are
Speaker 7: also six backs of balls, three colored, three black. So
Speaker 7: to begin, one player is going to start next to
Speaker 7: the colored balls, with their partner being directly across from them,
Speaker 7: next to the black balls. When I say go, you
Speaker 7: guys are going to transfer the balls as fast as
Speaker 7: you can.
Speaker 5: You know, only moved the balls from the side you
Speaker 5: started on.
Speaker 7: I remember, guys, all these ramps meet up in the middle.
Speaker 7: There's gonna be some hard hits, for sure.
Speaker 3: Like seeing it now, if you had showed up, would
Speaker 3: you have been I see Anie's face. Would you been
Speaker 3: excited about it or would you been like, are you
Speaker 3: glad you missed? Not glad you missed it, but you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, kind of like glad I didn't
Speaker 3: have to do that.
Speaker 4: I would have loved it. I would have been happy
Speaker 4: to do it. I would have bought it if I
Speaker 4: would have approached it like ct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like y'all, wait.
Speaker 4: A minute, I'm gonna lay out.
Speaker 6: Would have been right in your real house. And for me,
Speaker 6: you know I'm doing I loved episode seven. You know,
Speaker 6: it's not my strength. Just running blindly in a hallway
Speaker 6: and you might run into Carl, Maria, you might run
Speaker 6: into Laurel or Devin or anybody running over you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even this episode starts with like all of
Speaker 2: that you left?
Speaker 4: Did you leave before?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: We were there for the Kara and Laurel drama.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe I be like down hill the very beginning
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this episode starts with them just fighting.
Speaker 4: Eventually there's going to be a choice between Klara, Devin, Laurel,
Speaker 4: and Jessica. And that's a difficult decision.
Speaker 6: How is that a difficult decision between three people?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Shot the up.
Speaker 4: Because I promised Devin, I don't want to send a nanny,
Speaker 4: and Jessica has been like.
Speaker 6: Nice the entire time.
Speaker 3: You're saying that I'm an option.
Speaker 4: You're annoying me not being so paranoid.
Speaker 6: I am not going to vote for you. I'm allowed
Speaker 6: to tell car Maria if she's being annoying.
Speaker 4: You don't get it.
Speaker 6: I just don't understand, like you don't follow what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I know I'm frolicking in left field.
Speaker 4: You're annoying, don't speak.
Speaker 6: I don't wait when people do.
Speaker 2: It and then seeing the perfect challenge to go after,
Speaker 2: like when you really pissed at somebody, Yeah, the perfect
Speaker 2: thing that you want to do after that is just
Speaker 2: run into someone respectfully.
Speaker 4: But that's how you break another ankle.
Speaker 2: So for me, I probably like I talk ship now
Speaker 2: because it's like so far in the past. But I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have I mean, I played by the rules for
Speaker 2: the most part.
Speaker 3: Right, But if you've done an extra shoulder check, because
Speaker 3: I do. I think if Anissa was there, she would
Speaker 3: have dominated that I did it with j and.
Speaker 4: Kayla, Jenna and Kayla one after the other.
Speaker 6: I just for me, I'd be like, sorry, guys, like, wait,
Speaker 6: you want to go okay?
Speaker 4: AnyWho?
Speaker 2: Bad luck Chuck, car Maria up pulling that god damn
Speaker 2: kill card again.
Speaker 5: Maria, I'm on down. Good job, Carl, that's the kill card.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen this one yet, though I'd give it
Speaker 3: a go. He really, Okay, Can I just point something
Speaker 3: out that I think I don't know? Okay, So it's
Speaker 3: a mix of everything happens for reason blah blah, which
Speaker 3: I think is so poignant because Johnny said on last
Speaker 3: episode when we lose John Ay, but Johnny, you said
Speaker 3: something an interviewer along along the lines of it just
Speaker 3: wasn't my time, you know, like that's okay, this time
Speaker 3: just wasn't my time. And it's so poignant, especially seeing
Speaker 3: where you are now, right, and like how you have
Speaker 3: come back and dominated and the story that that is
Speaker 3: now that yet just wasn't your time then, right.
Speaker 6: So was the height of like, you know, probably when
Speaker 6: my challenge career could have been really you know, taken off.
Speaker 6: But I was just a completely different person back then.
Speaker 6: It's like coming into this to talk about, you know,
Speaker 6: free agents, I was just like free agents. I don't
Speaker 6: really remember very much of it, and I mean why
Speaker 6: I was there even after it happened, I wasn't really myself,
Speaker 6: but it's crazy. I guess I I guess I called
Speaker 6: it that it wasn't my time, you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 6: And luckily I was given a chance to come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and winning back to back, like you said, which
Speaker 3: is amazing. Something that also strikes me about this these
Speaker 3: episodes right now we're talking about episode nine. But and
Speaker 3: tell me if you guys agree in watching them, but
Speaker 3: the perspective of Kara and Teresa, I feel like they
Speaker 3: they share the same perspective and we see them kind
Speaker 3: of go at it in an upcoming episode right in
Speaker 3: episode ten a little bit. But everyone else, including you
Speaker 3: and Lissa, like including John Ay, everyone else where things happen,
Speaker 3: whether you got voted in or you lost that daily
Speaker 3: or whatever, everyone else I felt like, for the most part,
Speaker 3: kind of went inward, right, which is more like, oh
Speaker 3: that sucks, I should do better, or oh that sucks
Speaker 3: maybe next time, or oh like just in general, or
Speaker 3: or you know, my team could be better. But I
Speaker 3: just feel like, whereas I feel like with Teresa and
Speaker 3: car Maria, there was a constant narrative of everything happens
Speaker 3: to me. Everyone's doing everything to me. It's everyone's fault
Speaker 3: because they're doing this to me.
Speaker 6: Even with Laurel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even with Laurel coming after Teresa, she's like, Laurel's
Speaker 3: so mean and granted Laura was mean this season, but
Speaker 3: she's like, Laurel so mean and mean to me. But
Speaker 3: you shot the gun first at her, like Laurel never
Speaker 3: said your name in the beginning of the season. You
Speaker 3: shot the gun first at her in a pretty big way.
Speaker 1: You missed.
Speaker 3: Yes, now she's coming for you, because that's how Laurel operates.
Speaker 3: Like we all knew that, and it's and there's no
Speaker 3: ownership of that. It's it all happens to me. And
Speaker 3: Kara got the crap into the stick. There is no
Speaker 3: denying she was just in a long term, committed relationship
Speaker 3: with the draw and the kill card. But even then
Speaker 3: she started to get mad at everyone else who we
Speaker 3: don't kill cards, we don't pick who, you know whatever.
Speaker 6: I haven't heard time sometimes when you have, when you
Speaker 6: take that approach to everything's happening to me, this is
Speaker 6: the worst. Everybody's against me. I mean, we all sign
Speaker 6: up to come on the show. I think when I
Speaker 6: was like watching episode nine, I was like, this is
Speaker 6: so weird because this this reminds me of like present
Speaker 6: day of like you know, Kellyanne and I for instance,
Speaker 6: It's like there's two very different you know, when when
Speaker 6: Laurel and Carl were arguing and you know, Laurel said
Speaker 6: someone like shut up Kara or whatever it is, which isn't,
Speaker 6: you know, obviously nice, but you kind of have to
Speaker 6: like know Laurel to know what she was meaning.
Speaker 2: You know, but that's exactly what you meant, right, no
Speaker 2: other things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, her playing the game to Karl Maria, I was like, man,
Speaker 6: that kind of feels like me and Kellyanne. It's like
Speaker 6: there's two very separate things, like you have to separate
Speaker 6: like the game from friendship, and then it's like once
Speaker 6: again it's intertwined. Like that's when everything gets like really
Speaker 6: you know, messy. I mean, I guess that's what makes
Speaker 6: the show great.
Speaker 2: It's just I can see that it really hurt Car.
Speaker 2: So even if you were I think that Laurel wasn't
Speaker 2: understanding why why Car was so emotional about it, and
Speaker 2: you just have too.
Speaker 6: She's like, this is a game, talking about what I'm
Speaker 6: trying to say to you right.
Speaker 2: These are two different perspectives, but I think Laurel should
Speaker 2: have apologized, like, I'm sorry for talking to you that way. However,
Speaker 2: this is also a game, you know, like I am sorry,
Speaker 2: but I also want you to understand, which has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the things that are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the communication is a game. It's your your ego.
Speaker 6: It's your ego, or you're being stubborn, getting stubborn. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Sure, she didn't say ship.
Speaker 4: She didn't say ship.
Speaker 2: And then I'm thinking about it, I'm like, we were
Speaker 2: all like near thirty, Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 6: I was like twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, I'm just kidding. I was, wait, how old
Speaker 2: are you eight?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Just turned thirty five?
Speaker 6: Okay eighty?
Speaker 4: Oh, so I was, yeah, I'm six years older than you.
Speaker 1: I was barely legal.
Speaker 4: How old are you now, Johnny.
Speaker 6: I'm thirty four. I'll be thirty five this year.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: So I got like six years on both of you.
Speaker 4: That's fine.
Speaker 2: That's probably why I got annoyed with everything because I
Speaker 2: was older. But even you, even in your complaints with
Speaker 2: Laurel and watching this episode, they were valid, and you
Speaker 2: I felt like you still took like a certain level
Speaker 2: of like I don't know and it and yeah, I
Speaker 2: try to make sure it's not like a bias like
Speaker 2: perspective because obviously, like we're co hosts.
Speaker 1: I'm watching now.
Speaker 3: But genuinely, I feel like there was a certain level
Speaker 3: of ownership around you, being like I'm gonna own this,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take that, you know what, like navigating your
Speaker 3: own versus right being like, oh my god, they're doing there.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys all voted me in, and I
Speaker 2: definitely was hurt by, like yeah, yeah but evil.
Speaker 4: But I also was like, well.
Speaker 2: If they all say it like I'm going in, so
Speaker 2: like yeah, getting upset about it.
Speaker 5: This is.
Speaker 6: I was watching. When I was watching the episode, I
Speaker 6: noticed that you do a really good job of like
Speaker 6: being a meati, Like I don't know if you were
Speaker 6: like a sounding word for everybody, but people don't come
Speaker 6: to you like with their problems, but you're like, you know,
Speaker 6: it's okay, Everything's going to be fine. This is how
Speaker 6: you feel. This is probably where you should head from
Speaker 6: this direction.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Honestly, that was my low key like not game,
Speaker 3: but oh.
Speaker 4: It was your game.
Speaker 2: You could say no, no, no, this is what I mean
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the brush for now.
Speaker 3: I talked about this early in this season of the podcast.
Speaker 3: I literally struck a deal. Look, I don't consider myself
Speaker 3: particularly religious religious, but I personally do believe in God.
Speaker 3: And I actually sort of said, uh, because I was
Speaker 3: just enjoying the experience in being in the house and
Speaker 3: for me, yes, a lot of money is great, but
Speaker 3: it was also I also love this show because I
Speaker 3: love hey a the authentic emotion, which I love watching
Speaker 3: it back for that, but I also love it's the challenge.
Speaker 3: It pushes you, right you every time you were pushed
Speaker 3: to see what am I capable of in these environments
Speaker 3: you didn't know? And I appreciated that, but I sort
Speaker 3: of said to God, Hey, what's up.
Speaker 1: From underneath my paint snuggy senate.
Speaker 3: And I was like, God, look, I It did become
Speaker 3: that where everyone in the house at some point, guy
Speaker 3: or girl I ended up having a very personal conversation
Speaker 3: with where they shared something in their life and we
Speaker 3: just ended up kind of chatting. And as we got
Speaker 3: further along in the season, I actually would say at
Speaker 3: eliminations to God, hey, look, if there's reason for me
Speaker 3: to still be here, if I if I can be
Speaker 3: a sounding board literally is a term for someone else
Speaker 3: who's here. Because we were all going through stuff too
Speaker 3: in the house, you know, like stuff that doesn't make
Speaker 3: the show, but my girlfriend, yeah, you're all going through stuff.
Speaker 3: And I was like, God, if I can be a
Speaker 3: sounding for someone else, Oh my god, those didn't emails
Speaker 3: that they would.
Speaker 2: My girlfriend would like these emails, and I was like
Speaker 2: so excited about getting them.
Speaker 4: That got me through that season.
Speaker 3: They would read us one like we'd have to read
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god. And they had to race ship
Speaker 4: that they couldn't, like we couldn't talk.
Speaker 6: About if you can, if you can take like, you know,
Speaker 6: your attributes, like like for me, like I'm good at
Speaker 6: you know, I'm good with people or whatever, if you
Speaker 6: can take those attributes and you can like use it
Speaker 6: while you're there, like I mean, it's a good thing, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's really what my deal was. So as
Speaker 3: I made it further in the show, honestly, I got
Speaker 3: to a point. I remember this still standing out there
Speaker 3: one cold night and we were at the little elimination
Speaker 3: thing whatever they call it, and I remember thinking, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm definitely going in now because I've spoken to everyone
Speaker 3: in the house, Like I genuinely was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 3: I've had a moment with everyone. Hopefully it was helpful
Speaker 3: with everyone, Like my job's probably done, so I'm about
Speaker 3: to put this kill cart and not flipping it and
Speaker 3: being like now there's no make sense, Like I'm like,
Speaker 3: I know what this I don't really know. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: really was like, I mean, I'm not complaining, but I
Speaker 3: also don't really.
Speaker 6: Like Johnny Johnny Riley, He's like, he's like, I feel
Speaker 6: like I should go in, but I dropped a card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, like you own that. It was like,
Speaker 2: I should definitely go in, but I'm not. Yeah, Johnny
Speaker 2: Riley Shout out to Johnny Riley Shout out to Johnny.
Speaker 2: We both were just that.
Speaker 4: Oh he was so funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah he is organically very funny.
Speaker 4: Yes he want.
Speaker 3: He really was, and I such a crush on him really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's weird, right, Wait, why didn't.
Speaker 1: You ever try to like because we.
Speaker 4: Were friends and I was.
Speaker 2: Guy had a girlfriend, Like, I thought he was cute,
Speaker 2: like you know, but I didn't want to like do.
Speaker 3: Him magic Johnny mm hmmm mmm.
Speaker 4: His personality was magic. He was just so funny.
Speaker 2: And he used to imitate what her voice that was
Speaker 2: when he was like imitating a woman.
Speaker 4: I don't know, we had fun in our room.
Speaker 3: That was a really weird way to end that. And
Speaker 3: he said when he was that boys he made when
Speaker 3: he was imitating a woman, we had a lot of
Speaker 3: fun in our room.
Speaker 1: I don't know what exactly we're doing it.
Speaker 4: That's called it.
Speaker 2: That's just kicked in full force. Where like nothing none
Speaker 2: of that made sense. It's just a stream of consciousness
Speaker 2: that I speak in sometimes.
Speaker 3: What do you guys think about the whole Kara and
Speaker 3: Jessica thing? And then when Cara was telling Jessica to
Speaker 3: shut up in bed? What were your who saw you
Speaker 3: take a pill?
Speaker 6: On?
Speaker 4: You take one? See? This was this was the season
Speaker 4: of gassing people?
Speaker 2: Yeah, really because it was like like I don't think
Speaker 2: Jessica would have talked to car like that if Laura
Speaker 2: wasn't there.
Speaker 3: Probably no. Yeah, but I think Kara talked to Jessica
Speaker 3: like that because she was jealous of like she was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was like, you took my friend end and
Speaker 4: now you talking about love?
Speaker 3: Yeah, fire, Yeah.
Speaker 6: She is so much to the show is like the
Speaker 6: mental part of it, Like they were just poor car
Speaker 6: Man that season, like everybody was just messing with her
Speaker 6: so much, like even even.
Speaker 3: Okay, now you sound like car Jenny. All right, everyone,
Speaker 3: we all never one's fall.
Speaker 4: I went through it except for Devin. I will.
Speaker 3: Okay if that was traumatic.
Speaker 4: But also two for one with.
Speaker 1: Two for one a bog.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we are one off the mannequin.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think one of them from the two for
Speaker 3: one was the one off the mannequin, because it.
Speaker 2: Was that I wanted if I wanted to save money,
Speaker 2: be like, I'll take the one from the mannequin.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: We got Diane from the mannequin.
Speaker 3: Well, you guys have never been wig shopping, especially for
Speaker 3: like a synthetic wig. There's a store just full of them,
Speaker 3: and they do have come with names.
Speaker 2: And like, and they have a tag on them, and
Speaker 2: they come in a bag.
Speaker 1: They do come in a bag. And I brought those
Speaker 1: bags with me.
Speaker 3: That is true.
Speaker 6: My very first job was at a beauty supply store.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel like car was hard on Jess.
Speaker 3: I feel like actually a lot of people in the house,
Speaker 3: like I don't remember why so many people were hard
Speaker 3: on Jess, even this far into the show.
Speaker 4: Where and it was a person.
Speaker 3: I think that was it because people were like, oh,
Speaker 3: she hasn't shown anything, but she actually was good in
Speaker 3: some of the dailies. She wasn't like she was the
Speaker 3: first one and he making a face. She was the
Speaker 3: first one who got the flag.
Speaker 4: Let my face go, I.
Speaker 3: Think, so we can never let your face go.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
Speaker 3: I always coming on your face, just like you had
Speaker 3: no sand on it back in episode seven, and I
Speaker 3: was very impressed.
Speaker 1: No sand you Literally.
Speaker 4: She was so mad at was so mad at me.
Speaker 2: I think that's the first day that you were upset
Speaker 2: because I was right behind her and I was like
Speaker 2: rolling over her.
Speaker 4: That was the only time I think you ever got mad.
Speaker 3: Because it's hard. You couldn't move in my way.
Speaker 4: I'm like, bitch, I'm trying to get on my bun.
Speaker 6: That is ridiculous. Challenge I think I've ever been a part.
Speaker 3: Of So Good. It was so good, but everybody gave
Speaker 3: Jess so much crap, and even her energy when she
Speaker 3: did get voted in, was just actually quite lovely when
Speaker 3: she was like, I'm a rookie, okay. I will point
Speaker 3: out the fact that in the band it seemed like
Speaker 3: Zach The two names up for grabs were me and Jess,
Speaker 3: and then by the end no one voted for me.
Speaker 3: They all voted for Jess, when arguably Jess is probably
Speaker 3: the better physical competitor.
Speaker 4: I mean, just put it work.
Speaker 1: She did.
Speaker 3: She did so the parent I got away scot clean,
Speaker 3: Thank you Lord.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm I mean.
Speaker 2: And then poor Kahuddah, he was like a clutch purse.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's incredible. But it see, that's the
Speaker 2: whole thing. And we talked about this. I feel like
Speaker 2: last week, like size is just it's not a fight
Speaker 2: like this is. Yeah, it is a fight for your life,
Speaker 2: but it's not like we're not we don't have weight classes,
Speaker 2: so you get those quote unquote unfair fights like Leroy
Speaker 2: and Kahudda and Jasmine and Laurel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, elimination is always like you know what, it's not
Speaker 6: like a death sentence. It's take a chance of.
Speaker 2: Like it's also proof that in production they would always
Speaker 2: say like, oh, production's rigging it.
Speaker 4: They did this.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you think they're really waiting you see this
Speaker 2: extravagant contraption like in the middle sometimes I think they
Speaker 2: waited until six seven pm for our voting to like
Speaker 2: change this. No, they Ryan well, as Ryan told me,
Speaker 2: they always have them set up, right, they have dates
Speaker 2: where they're doing them, and they're not going to change it.
Speaker 2: If there's inclement weather, they will make it for the
Speaker 2: next time. They could actually have an elimination, so it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who's going in, they're not changing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to do that.
Speaker 6: It was so weird. Every time someone like left the house,
Speaker 6: it was like somebody died. It was like the funerals,
Speaker 6: like Tomorrow's funeral, Like I.
Speaker 2: Got so small, and I think the episode nine and
Speaker 2: ten really showed me like how many people actually left
Speaker 2: mm hmmm, because we had four people leaving a week, which.
Speaker 3: Also made it so difficult like the closer you got
Speaker 3: or did we have yeah, yeah, and then when you
Speaker 3: have the draw and you have voting, it just suddenly
Speaker 3: shrunk your you know, like it really made it very tight,
Speaker 3: like you really weren't safe unless you forced your hand.
Speaker 2: It forced your hand to like you couldn't hide anymore. Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I feel like one of the first seasons or
Speaker 6: like of its kind that really like defined like we're
Speaker 6: the challenges now, like this is like the first tester,
Speaker 6: Like hey, let's you know, in a final like put
Speaker 6: you know, different guys, different girls, whatever, And this is
Speaker 6: like what set the tone for like what's gonna happen
Speaker 6: for the you know, remaining seasons.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a pivotal moment, Like I, free
Speaker 3: Agents really is. I feel like the further we get
Speaker 3: from free Agents, the more I appreciate it. And I
Speaker 3: think the more I know, I've seen on Reddit some
Speaker 3: people voting that it is one of their favorites or
Speaker 3: certainly in their top It just it is iconic and
Speaker 3: as much as the kill card look, I will also
Speaker 3: say I'm very glad that TJ had not implemented that
Speaker 3: you have to go into elimination to make to qualify
Speaker 3: for his final, so much that at that point, but
Speaker 3: it did set the tone for a lot of future seasons,
Speaker 3: and it did make things that much more interesting. So
Speaker 3: now we see, you know, Laurel and car it's starting
Speaker 3: to come to a head, right, And Laurel said something
Speaker 3: about Kara possibly learning a lesson, which was, yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel like, you know.
Speaker 1: It's not really.
Speaker 4: Great place to teach her a lesson.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's it.
Speaker 6: It's not Yeah, yeah, I need it just showed her
Speaker 6: that just showed like, like I said, like the the
Speaker 6: ego or the stubbornness. It's like you you know, Laurel
Speaker 6: was doing that for her own you know, I'm going
Speaker 6: to show you a lesson rather than just getting down
Speaker 6: to the root of the matter, like you guys are friends,
Speaker 6: you know, figure it out.
Speaker 4: And then cheered for Jessica the whole time.
Speaker 5: That was so.
Speaker 4: She was like, Car doesn't need anyone to cheer for her.
Speaker 4: Everybody else's.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it is true that jess to me
Speaker 3: still got the short endings most of the season like that.
Speaker 3: That's valid and that's fair, but Laurel should have probably
Speaker 3: just passed that baton to someone else.
Speaker 6: Cheer for Jessica eliminations. People perfectly like cheer or don't
Speaker 6: cheer for people, or they want to roomin neutral whatever.
Speaker 6: Laurel was straight up like, in your faith, I am
Speaker 6: cheering for the other person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, Well, I'm sure that didn't make Car
Speaker 2: feel And then and then she gets injured and she leaves.
Speaker 4: We see an ambulance, and this is.
Speaker 2: Where I feel like she shrinks into this like child
Speaker 2: like state house in the ambulance, just like no, it's
Speaker 2: not really like it's fine, Like you can just see
Speaker 2: her like falling apart from the outside, like just a question.
Speaker 6: So they let her stay, you know, and it was
Speaker 6: up to her with her. Has that ever happened.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's ever happened.
Speaker 6: And now if you're like even slightly injure, there's some
Speaker 6: slight liability there. It's like, no, you gotta go okay.
Speaker 3: Okay, So before we go any further, we gotta take
Speaker 3: a quick break. But you know we're gonna get into
Speaker 3: it right after this.
Speaker 2: Anyhoy, let's get back to this because people were jamming
Speaker 2: their feet all up in this water, in this muddy situation.
Speaker 4: I loved this challenge.
Speaker 5: Today. You guys are playing crossover.
Speaker 7: As you can see, we are standing next to a
Speaker 7: beautiful lagoon with a giant sandbar across the water.
Speaker 5: That sandbar has.
Speaker 7: Treasure chests with puzzle pieces in them. When I say go,
Speaker 7: you're gonna try and get across this water as fast
Speaker 7: as you can, to kick, swim, wade, whatever you gotta do,
Speaker 7: and make it across to that sandbar. Once you get
Speaker 7: to the other side, one of you guys is gonna
Speaker 7: dig up that chest. That chest contains your puzzle pieces,
Speaker 7: So you bring those pieces back across and put them
Speaker 7: on your puzzle.
Speaker 5: You didn't have to go back and find a second.
Speaker 7: Chest, only this time your partner has to dig him up.
Speaker 7: Once you bring the content of that second treasure chest back,
Speaker 7: you and your partner are gonna solve that puzzle as
Speaker 7: fast as possible. The teams that puts their puzzle together
Speaker 7: the fastest win today's challenge.
Speaker 3: Again, I feel I am so sorry, Johnny, whatever your
Speaker 3: middle name is, Riley. I just want to take a
Speaker 3: moment and again thank you for your patience with me
Speaker 3: and floating me through me.
Speaker 4: But you don't want to thank ct for what he said?
Speaker 6: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I don't remember what said?
Speaker 2: Ceci was like, well, I'm not picking Devin because she's
Speaker 2: I don't think she's I don't want to be like
Speaker 2: she's not good enough to me.
Speaker 3: Oh but I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't blame him.
Speaker 3: Hill in the interview at one point I said, what
Speaker 3: are you gonna say something that.
Speaker 4: Out and been like, I'm gonna pick.
Speaker 3: Kara, like right like I.
Speaker 6: With a broken handy for Devin for a fully functional body.
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't you know what I bet you he'd make
Speaker 3: the same choice, and I wouldn't blame him. And in
Speaker 3: the same interview, I said, uh, Johnny Riley and I
Speaker 3: are looking at each other the same because Johnny is
Speaker 3: not the strong is the weakest guy here, And I said,
Speaker 3: and I may be one of the weaker girls. And
Speaker 3: then I admitted and I said, okay, I am the
Speaker 3: weakest girl here.
Speaker 1: Which is I mean?
Speaker 3: Because and it's look, that mess was hard, that water
Speaker 3: was all deep and soggy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't blame him.
Speaker 2: So despite everything SETI said that you forgot Johnny picks
Speaker 2: you all Star team right here going into this. Do
Speaker 2: you think that you have a shot, Devin, to win this?
Speaker 3: Of course I don't think I have a shot to
Speaker 3: win this, but I you know, I see that there's
Speaker 3: a don't think the puzzle though, to say the puzzle
Speaker 3: is the thing that's giving me a little hope as
Speaker 3: an equalizer, because I'm not terrible at puzzles. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, if there's going to be an opportunity, it's
Speaker 3: going to be due to this puzzle. But once we
Speaker 3: got in that water after you guys, don't see how
Speaker 3: many laps we had to do of that like it
Speaker 3: got It looks like, oh, they went across once or twice,
Speaker 3: no big deal. It got tiring because, like they said,
Speaker 3: there was like three or four feet of sludge underneath.
Speaker 3: So every step you take you're like lifting your trying
Speaker 3: to get it unstuck. It's why it looks like we're
Speaker 3: filming a nineteen eighties Jazzer's Eyes commercial at one point,
Speaker 3: because they show like Nanni and Bananas walking through the water,
Speaker 3: but they're not moving, like their legs are moving, but
Speaker 3: they're not moving.
Speaker 4: Wait, so I have a question.
Speaker 2: When you went across, you only went twice, right, it
Speaker 2: went there and back and there and back.
Speaker 3: I feel like we went more than that, but it
Speaker 3: could be the trauma. That's what they show. Yes, but
Speaker 3: I feel like it was more laps than that.
Speaker 2: On DYM But you guys only had six pieces or
Speaker 2: seven pieces to grab.
Speaker 3: No, there was at least I think eight pieces if
Speaker 3: you look at the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I've just remember was traumatic saying two big triangles, the
Speaker 2: parallel grip, two big triangles.
Speaker 6: How did you choose a partner for a tank gram?
Speaker 6: You know soon a friend. I'd be like Anissa, Oh
Speaker 6: for sure.
Speaker 2: That final when we did the final All Stars one,
Speaker 2: I literally John A was right next to me. I
Speaker 2: literally turned to her and I showed her my fig
Speaker 2: I'm like, here it is, and and then I just
Speaker 2: threw it down because she was the only person that
Speaker 2: I cared about, like looking at my ship. I didn't
Speaker 2: give fun, just her. She was the only person. And
Speaker 2: it was a standing up one and it was probably
Speaker 2: one of the harder ones.
Speaker 6: Was it my whole all I remember that, like, my
Speaker 6: whole podium fell over, just fell.
Speaker 2: Over, and so did you ye, so you're you're yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have phoned.
Speaker 3: It was the sludge that was that wore everybody. It
Speaker 3: was harder and we weren't warned about what he thought
Speaker 3: we'd just be. The dig even was okay. I don't
Speaker 3: think that was as bad as literally walking. Everybody complained
Speaker 3: about that made it look like no, everybody was completing sludge.
Speaker 2: He made it. You know that he's done something before.
Speaker 4: When he made it, took it out, and then it
Speaker 4: was like oh.
Speaker 2: And then there were the puzzle pieces. I'm so surprised
Speaker 2: he did not get that puzzle immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am too. I was surprised when Nanni and Bananas.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the crazy thing because it was like
Speaker 2: it's it's after you do all these years, it goes
Speaker 2: to like ride or Dies, where like every puzzle they
Speaker 2: had to do they absolutely sucked. So I watched them
Speaker 2: do that and they were both like, I'm not a
Speaker 2: puzzle master, and he was like I can't do this
Speaker 2: shit either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and it's funny because he says and
Speaker 3: we see a little more of that later on not
Speaker 3: to give spoiler alert, so although this season has been
Speaker 3: out for ten plus years, we see a little bit
Speaker 3: more of that because yeah, Johnny definitely wasn't seen as
Speaker 3: like being able to do puzzles, but he's not as
Speaker 3: one time. No, it comes into play a couple times.
Speaker 3: You'll see in the future it's probably the same damn puzzle. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because you guys haven't watched the rest episode, so you
Speaker 3: won't know. Okay, it's probably the same damn puzzles.
Speaker 6: Like the same one every time, Like should be like
Speaker 6: look at the tanker.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, it never was. No.
Speaker 2: There was one really difficult one on Double Agents that
Speaker 2: CT got in about thirty seconds or less where.
Speaker 4: It's just where the triangles.
Speaker 2: The big triangles usually touch and it was a very
Speaker 2: awkward one. I think there was a triangle at the
Speaker 2: bottom with the longest part like flat.
Speaker 4: It was just it was different. Yeah, but they redid
Speaker 4: it in the final.
Speaker 2: Any who to be honest, I mean Teresa and Zach
Speaker 2: were a powerhouse team.
Speaker 4: In this Yes they were.
Speaker 2: They looked like a Zell's like they were. That was
Speaker 2: their natural living like habitat.
Speaker 1: But they were not powerhouse enough.
Speaker 3: Also, can I point out the hypocrisy because Teresa never
Speaker 3: says one bad thing about Zach boating her in which
Speaker 3: he did, uh the whole time, like she never says.
Speaker 3: She seems to still thrive on Zach and Zach.
Speaker 4: Also Zach, even though he was kind of an asshole
Speaker 4: this season.
Speaker 3: Oh and Zach was talking about Zach was the one
Speaker 3: who said he didn't want to pick me because I
Speaker 3: was slow or something like that. But I'm not the
Speaker 3: one who had an emotional breakdown in the final. Again,
Speaker 3: not to give things away, but pretty sure it wasn't me.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't the one with the wigs. Nope, she
Speaker 3: did not cry like a.
Speaker 6: Baby so broke down in the final. I need to
Speaker 6: go watch the final watch the movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't watch some of these at some point.
Speaker 1: And he said, you'll have to because we'll be covering it.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, forgot who I was working for.
Speaker 3: And with the spoiler is Zach has a full blown
Speaker 3: emotional breakdown.
Speaker 4: He also did.
Speaker 2: Remember when we had to move rooms John A and
Speaker 2: he wouldn't move his bed and he got so and
Speaker 2: he made us move in. Yeah, and then he yelled
Speaker 2: that he had he had lost all respect for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you don't go big as man, you
Speaker 2: could literally hold this bed up by yourself.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wild. Okay.
Speaker 3: So in the Daily, Bananas and Nanni win and then
Speaker 3: they vote in CT and Carl Maria Okay, so we're.
Speaker 5: Gonna try this one more time.
Speaker 8: Bananas, Nanni, you guys are gonna have to vote again.
Speaker 8: If you can't come to the decision, CT is gonna
Speaker 8: sit down, and both of you guys are gonna be
Speaker 8: in the elimination round. All right, So Nanni's start with you.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, what's your vote?
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Carl, but I'm not.
Speaker 6: Twelve for you.
Speaker 5: So you're voting for Kara and Bananas. My vote's not changing.
Speaker 5: Sticking with kr all right, Karl, come on man.
Speaker 4: Thanks Bananas, thanks for having my back.
Speaker 5: Okay, So it's gonna be Car Maria and CT. You
Speaker 5: guys are going to the elimination.
Speaker 7: The rest of you guys are going into the draw
Speaker 7: except for Teresa and Zach.
Speaker 5: We're safe, all right. See you guys there.
Speaker 3: And I feel like this is where you're starting to
Speaker 3: see a little bit of a Bananas Like they've been
Speaker 3: playing along just kind of different sides of the track
Speaker 3: in this season, but not really shooting at each other,
Speaker 3: and now you're starting to see the beginning of this.
Speaker 2: But CT and and Johnny just had a whole conversation
Speaker 2: outside about not voting for one another, and then Johnny
Speaker 2: Banana said, and it'll be CT and he was like,
Speaker 2: that's okay because you probably don't want to run against
Speaker 2: me in a finel.
Speaker 4: And that's fine. I totally get it.
Speaker 2: And it's it's it's true, you don't want to run
Speaker 2: against ct CT in a final.
Speaker 1: What do you think about.
Speaker 3: Them picking Carl Maria given the state of her hand,
Speaker 3: What do you guys think about.
Speaker 2: That they have done this for decades. If you have
Speaker 2: an injury, if you have something your back hurts you
Speaker 2: pulled something, they will usually use that against you.
Speaker 4: And use it as an excuse to throw you in.
Speaker 6: Sure, but.
Speaker 2: I think also looking trying to, you know, foresee how
Speaker 2: things will be for the rest of the challenge. You
Speaker 2: know that people are going to be in pairs on teams. Whatever,
Speaker 2: do you want somebody who's injured on your team? And
Speaker 2: looking at how things are swimming shut right, I don't
Speaker 2: know you're.
Speaker 3: Right because I didn't even think about the fact that
Speaker 3: at this point we don't know if we're going to
Speaker 3: be put back into larger grouped pairs, because initially I'm thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 3: why would nanny care because it's a girl, But then
Speaker 3: you're right, the next episode it could be because we
Speaker 3: don't know where we are in the game, so it
Speaker 3: could be like.
Speaker 2: To say, hey, especially if they get to the next
Speaker 2: challenge and she can't do it, yeah, we'll be like,
Speaker 2: why the fuck did we put other people in?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But also you could have just put Laurel against her whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense now about this Laurel Carl Maria things.
Speaker 3: So I will say this, I did hope for this day.
Speaker 3: So as we saw them brewing, the fight happening, right.
Speaker 3: I do remember having multiple conversations, and I purposely said
Speaker 3: them out loud so that anyone could hear me. Anyone
Speaker 3: who might be listening in on our conversations at all
Speaker 3: could hear me.
Speaker 1: I did two things.
Speaker 3: One, I actually spoke to Laurel about the order of
Speaker 3: picking cars, which we had done sometimes in general. But
Speaker 3: like I think, we flipped a coin for it is
Speaker 3: what it was. We flipped a coin of who would
Speaker 3: go first to pick, because we knew it was only
Speaker 3: two of us, right, like who would go first to
Speaker 3: pick the kill card? Because that you know, that decides
Speaker 3: a fate.
Speaker 6: Right, probably similar to like what rider dies with the
Speaker 6: drawing of the swords or whatever.
Speaker 4: No, Nanny and Johnny would run every time, would be
Speaker 4: the first.
Speaker 1: Yeah see, And I never did that.
Speaker 3: Most of the time. I was lasting. Most of the time,
Speaker 3: I was last.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then in this one, I was like, hey, let's
Speaker 3: flip a coin, you know, like I kind of because
Speaker 3: neither of us, I think, we were both kind of
Speaker 3: like you do it, you can go, you can go,
Speaker 3: So you just like flip a coin, egle first whatever, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and so so she was gonna so it ended up
Speaker 3: being whatever it ended up being actually don't even remember anymore.
Speaker 3: But I also said if I went first. I kept
Speaker 3: saying out loud, I was going to pick number two
Speaker 3: because my numbers are two and six, so I was
Speaker 3: going to pick the second card. I was adamant I
Speaker 3: was going to pick the second card. I was definitely
Speaker 3: going to pick the second card. And wouldn't you know
Speaker 3: then when I picked the second card, it was blank, amazing.
Speaker 3: This is why you guys should manifest and speak your dreams.
Speaker 3: You never know who's listening. All I'm saying, Anissa's hiding
Speaker 3: her face right at all I'm saying, is I just
Speaker 3: saying out loud that I was gonna pick card number
Speaker 3: two and car and I told Laurel that, like I wasn't.
Speaker 1: This was not a I just was like, I'm a
Speaker 1: pick number two. I'm a pick number two, and I
Speaker 1: picked number two. That's number two.
Speaker 3: Y'all didn't want to see me go against car Maria.
Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to see that. They all wanted to see
Speaker 3: Laurel versus Kara.
Speaker 7: You're coming down here, Laurel can flip that card. You're
Speaker 7: going against car Maria.
Speaker 6: I'm going in against someone who used to be my
Speaker 6: friend who I haven't talked to and who I don't
Speaker 6: know where our relationship stands.
Speaker 4: The whole vibe is weird.
Speaker 3: When the Laurel and Caara thing happened, it was so
Speaker 3: interesting the timing because it had just been building up
Speaker 3: all season and I feel like this is one of
Speaker 3: those seasons that you couldn't have written a better story, right,
Speaker 3: Like what I love about the Challenge and what I
Speaker 3: get asked about and having done other shows outside of
Speaker 3: the Real World Challenge shows, what I love about this
Speaker 3: show is it really is so authentic. Like, yes, things
Speaker 3: get cut, things can get edited, but the emotions you
Speaker 3: see are real as you can see the feuds that
Speaker 3: occur are real, like the you know, the pain, the
Speaker 3: broken whatever, the fight, the tears. It's real. And the
Speaker 3: producers don't actually really have to do. They do such
Speaker 3: a good job of just casting and kind of yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, laying this groundwork.
Speaker 6: Yeah, everything be real. It just really makes it better
Speaker 6: for like the viewers.
Speaker 3: You know, it is so it's authentic, and people think, oh,
Speaker 3: it's you know, must have been faked, have car in law? No,
Speaker 3: it was because even like Anissa was saying around, oh,
Speaker 3: do you really think they're gonna wait till six pm
Speaker 3: and then suddenly put up this apparatus or apparatti or
Speaker 3: apparatis to not create, to create whatever the elimination is
Speaker 3: for that day. The same is true for the kill cards,
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, it's only up
Speaker 3: to us in that very moment what we're going to do, what.
Speaker 4: We're to So they can't tell us where to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so regardless of them, and they didn't even tell
Speaker 3: us the order to line up in, so regardless of.
Speaker 2: We would fight at the end of that bridge, like
Speaker 2: we would line up right there like sardines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so act even if someone said, even like Jordan's saying,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna flip all three, they don't really know it's
Speaker 3: for sure going to happen until Jordan flips all three.
Speaker 4: So yeah.
Speaker 3: But I love that this show is so authentic and
Speaker 3: a lot of other reality shows are not, but this
Speaker 3: one really is and still is. And to see this
Speaker 3: sort of epic showdown of Kara versus Laurel, given their history,
Speaker 3: I think just couldn't have been not I don't say
Speaker 3: greater stories. I don't want to like celebrate anyone's demise,
Speaker 3: but it was just as a viewer, like pretty epic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's where are they now? You know, like, are
Speaker 6: they still were they? Were they partners on Rivals one
Speaker 6: or was it Rivals too?
Speaker 4: Wah forgot.
Speaker 2: Not to they weren't there. Carr was there on Too,
Speaker 2: but she was with Naomi. Naomi went home and then
Speaker 2: she was with Cook. But we may see them in
Speaker 2: the near future.
Speaker 3: Well we have that on the podcast recently, and it
Speaker 3: doesn't sound like the relationship ever got back to what
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they're friends at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically that basically I was trying to say it
Speaker 3: nice one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and there's a nice way like it's not
Speaker 2: being nice or mean that the on itees they are
Speaker 2: not friends, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The more you do the show, the more friends you
Speaker 2: can acquire, the harder it is to make some of
Speaker 2: these decisions.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, maybe I maybe maybe I should.
Speaker 2: Just alter my strategy and say fuck it and not
Speaker 2: be friends with anybody anymore so that I don't have
Speaker 2: to vote any kind of way like I used to.
Speaker 2: But I mean it does make for good TV because
Speaker 2: now instead of everybody being enemies, like, well, how do
Speaker 2: you choose between your friends, which then creates new enemies
Speaker 2: such and such and so forth and so on, and
Speaker 2: then the cycle then repeats itself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I were here on season, but is it
Speaker 6: thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Three hundred and seventy two.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for forty I hope that we are there,
Speaker 2: John N, Yeah, we haven't done a show together in
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd love to see that, Devin. I would hope
Speaker 2: that you become the referee or something.
Speaker 3: I would love to be a referee. I might just
Speaker 3: show up in a referee uniform and make TJ escort
Speaker 3: me offset. I feel like that might be.
Speaker 4: Not you running across the field or having to get
Speaker 4: kicked out. Yes, the heck.
Speaker 3: I honestly feel like, you know what I'm gonna talk
Speaker 3: to I'm gonna talk to the crew emer Boom, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna talk to them all and just be like, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just I'm gonna just show up in an outfit.
Speaker 3: Final thoughts from either of you about especially because you
Speaker 3: guys haven't seen these episodes, but final thoughts so far
Speaker 3: about episode nine and ten and.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, what stood out to you or what you
Speaker 1: remember from that time.
Speaker 6: For me, it's it's so crazy to go back and
Speaker 6: watch free Agents because, like I said to you guys earlier,
Speaker 6: like this is one of the seasons. This is the
Speaker 6: first time they you know, they put us on all
Speaker 6: black jerseys. They tested out the whole Like, hey, what
Speaker 6: if we leave this up to like production discretion and
Speaker 6: we'll just switch it up on you guys every single time,
Speaker 6: so that like you, politics can't be you know, a
Speaker 6: major part of this, like or the same thing doesn't happen.
Speaker 6: We'll just switch it up on you every single time.
Speaker 6: So I think it was cool to you know, take
Speaker 6: a blastment pass and look at free agents and see
Speaker 6: that this is like, you know, the beginning the stepping
Speaker 6: stones of like where what the challenge is morph into today.
Speaker 1: So, m what about you, Nini?
Speaker 3: I feel like.
Speaker 2: I think it's better now looking at it nine ten
Speaker 2: years or removed, because I don't feel the same way
Speaker 2: about people and it can be like unbiased. But it's
Speaker 2: so crazy to see how much people have changed or
Speaker 2: not at all, right, and how the game has progressed
Speaker 2: or changed, or like how they made it different, like
Speaker 2: how total Madness was kind of the same thing of
Speaker 2: groups and pairs and whatever, but everyone had to go
Speaker 2: into elimination, so like their way of like you know,
Speaker 2: the voting and whatever else, like how they how they
Speaker 2: always manage to switch it up on us, so like
Speaker 2: we can't ever really be comfortable ever, Yeah, which makes
Speaker 2: it wonderful. Yeah, but life doesn't, you know, life doesn't
Speaker 2: put you in a in a life jacket and put
Speaker 2: you thirty feet above water with a helmet on and
Speaker 2: and and.
Speaker 4: Shoot the girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah on a grill and saran wrap, unless that's your
Speaker 2: first fridays at the Kink Club and nobody's upset about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no judging, no judging that. I know that there are
Speaker 2: first fridays there, but I haven't been nanny yet. But
Speaker 2: I'm sure saran rap is in someone's fantasy. And shout
Speaker 2: out to you for living out your wildest dreams.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And and just wrap it having somebody to wrap you up.
Speaker 2: And maybe someone can take something from this episode and
Speaker 2: use it in real life.
Speaker 4: I could see this being a real a race of
Speaker 4: sorts or like part of a relay race.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you know there were there
Speaker 3: are a lot of lessons in the season of Free
Speaker 3: Agents as a whole, which I think are really great
Speaker 3: and you know, from living our best life being saran
Speaker 3: wrapped to all the other things that that we had
Speaker 3: to do and sort of learning challenge ourselves. I think
Speaker 3: that's what makes it one of the greats. And speaking
Speaker 3: of the greats, for those who want to follow one
Speaker 3: of the all time greats in the name of John
Speaker 3: A And can I just shout us out a little bit?
Speaker 1: First second, I just got it. I've got one. A
Speaker 1: little bit of black girl magic here. Okay.
Speaker 3: Also, when last year they did the Untold History of
Speaker 3: the Challenge, all three of us made of all the
Speaker 3: challengers that have been on this great show. All three
Speaker 3: of us got shout outs for our contribution.
Speaker 1: So you guys are legends.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 5: Believe you.
Speaker 6: I'm like Anissa seven my girls.
Speaker 1: Love it, love love, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: We seriously actually should do It's not a vacation alliance
Speaker 3: because I'm not going back on the show to compete,
Speaker 3: but we should do like a vacation, like a stake.
Speaker 1: Not in the summer, because Johnny, it's like a.
Speaker 2: Things and drinks on a beach, right, I think be
Speaker 2: fine where we just get served.
Speaker 1: I like it. We should we should talk about that.
Speaker 3: But for those who want to talk to you, John Ay,
Speaker 3: I mean not that you have first on other dms
Speaker 3: or who just want to follow you and follow all
Speaker 3: the greatness or your cute little littles and all the.
Speaker 1: Things that are happening. Where can they find you on
Speaker 1: social media?
Speaker 6: My social media so Instagram is at Johnny mannan so Jo,
Speaker 6: n m A and me and an Island, and that's
Speaker 6: pretty much the only thing I barely use.
Speaker 4: So you're yay, I hear your sister.
Speaker 3: Well there you go. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: This is be so fun. Yes, we know you're busy.
Speaker 4: We love you.
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming back on the podcast, and we
Speaker 3: really should, actually all of us should figure out this little.
Speaker 2: It is always lovely to have missus john A on
Speaker 2: the podcast. She is a breath of fresh air and
Speaker 2: a She's just the cutest little thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: I love watching like who she was then to who
Speaker 2: she is now because there is just such growth. So
Speaker 2: I'm happy she took some time out of her busy
Speaker 2: mom schedule to chat with us about free agents.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that.
Speaker 1: It was so fun.
Speaker 3: It really like it's this part of the challenge that
Speaker 3: when you're out of it for a while that you miss,
Speaker 3: like the conversations we'd have and things like this when
Speaker 3: not actually competing in that moment. They were always so
Speaker 3: fun and they're still so fun. So I love that
Speaker 3: we get to do that again with John A Anissa.
Speaker 3: For people who want to have conversations with you, even
Speaker 3: though you may not respond to them on social media,
Speaker 3: where can they find you?
Speaker 2: You can find me at Anissa MTV on Instagram. That's
Speaker 2: a N E E s A MTV. That's the only
Speaker 2: place I like to spend my time. When I do
Speaker 2: spend my time, I don't post a lot, but I
Speaker 2: do read my dms. So if you want to slide
Speaker 2: in there with some appropriate words, I.
Speaker 4: Will take that slide into.
Speaker 1: I feel like we and.
Speaker 2: With Devin, who hopefully will never ever have like a
Speaker 2: SoundCloud or a Spotify day where she's singing. Where can
Speaker 2: they find you on anything else?
Speaker 4: But but.
Speaker 2: I was a music makes you guys, You're great at
Speaker 2: every well not that I don't know how they let
Speaker 2: you do that.
Speaker 3: You can find me on my website that's devinsimone dot com.
Speaker 3: That's down with the y Simone with an I with
Speaker 3: her first.
Speaker 4: Single, yes called called Tone Deaf, yes.
Speaker 3: You can also find me on Instagram, said with Yspyth,
Speaker 3: and I follow me on Amazon. Some fun stuff happening there.
Speaker 3: You can just google Amazon Devin Simone. It's called Devin
Speaker 3: Simone's Gift Closets. You can also do like Amazon dot
Speaker 3: com slash Devin's moe. Just google Amazon Devin smone that's easier.
Speaker 4: But follow there.
Speaker 3: We do like live chats, live videos. Sometimes I do
Speaker 3: it with Natalie Negrotty as well, who you know from
Speaker 3: the challenge, which is fun. And then uh TikTok. Also
Speaker 3: uh still spamming with wedding content on my Instagram. So
Speaker 3: if you don't like that, tough, then mute it for
Speaker 3: a second. But yeah, it's gonna be. I'm I'm Missus
Speaker 3: Locke now, so you're gonna see a little bit of
Speaker 3: that for a while.
Speaker 4: I am Devin Lock.
Speaker 3: Devin Locke in the building.
Speaker 4: We got it on lock.
Speaker 3: Not a first place win of the challenge because I'm
Speaker 3: not that fast. But you know, got other things online
Speaker 3: and if you like this episode, rate and review us
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Speaker 3: can include it and we'll try and incorporate some of
Speaker 3: those into the finale.
Speaker 4: And remember you can.
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Speaker 3: And then we will see you back here next week
Speaker 3: dunt duntu for the big episodes. We'll see you for
Speaker 3: a brand new episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 4: Gas Guys, you're ridiculous. Is that Tacha?
Speaker 1: It is
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