WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ The 2017 NFL Combine - Day 1 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:15.120 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:21.520 Cowboys Select Elliott and now your host Dane Brugler. David 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:25.560 Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, we welcome you to 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:31.280 radio row here at the two thousand and seventeen NFL Combine. 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:35.200 It is the Draft Show. Brian brought us from Dallascowboys 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.320 dot Com, joined by David Hellman Dallas Cowboys dot Com, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:44.960 and then Dane Brugler from CBS Sports dot Com. Gentlemen, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.240 welcome to Indianapolis. Yeah, thanks for having me. You ready 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.479 to roll? I've been ready to roll? What way? We've 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.920 been here for almost two days already, Yeah, kind of 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:56.880 getting the sights and sounds, Yeah, getting the lay of 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.920 the land, getting everything figured out here. It's it's been 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.319 an interesting combine for us already because of the new 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.360 setup here, and we used to be at the stadium 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:09.679 at Lucas Oil. We used to have a radio row 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.520 right out in front of the club area. We're now 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:16.600 in the convention center across the street. Dane, it is 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:21.920 a different setup. We've now got the podiums around us 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:27.200 here with all the different groups, the teams, NFL network, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.160 all the all the all the bells and whistles you 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.839 would want in a big time production. It's a circus. 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.080 There's a circus. There's a lot going on, and you know, 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.920 I get it. There's a lot of a lot of 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.240 attention for an event like this, and so you know, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.479 it's over a thousand credential media here, a lot of radio, 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.720 a lot of TV, a lot of videos. So they 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.480 need space. But it's not the best setup for you know, everyone. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:54.240 They get there what they need done. It'll be interesting 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.000 next few days when they start to bring players in, 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.800 get all those interviews done. It should be an interesting 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.520 few days here at the new setup at the Combine. 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.520 I've always believed, guys, this is about really the teams, 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.200 and we've we've seemed to make it about ourselves about 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.360 the teams. It should be about the teams. It should 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.920 be about the teams. But that's that's great though, you know, 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.359 it's nice from the fans and the media do get 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.680 to be involved. You know, we'll have something here. This 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.560 will be a first for me covering the Combine and 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.560 being a part of the comment since nineteen ninety two. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:29.839 The fans will actually be in the weight area though, 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.079 where they're lifting on the other side as you look 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.920 at the screen, which would be to our right, to 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:37.960 your left on the other side of this curtent over here, 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.760 they'll have the actual where the fans can participate and 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.240 watch the bench press the two twenty five. So they 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.640 have a lot of interactive stuff here. They've got a 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.960 lot all the set up. On the other side, they've 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.320 got the bench press. I never believe that this would 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.160 ever be on TV, but lo and behold, it is 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.520 now on TV. So we'll get a chance and the 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.480 first groups we have out and the first group won't 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.920 get to work now. The first groups will be offense 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.520 and defensive linemen and then the running backs. They will 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.919 not be on the field until Friday. So if you're 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:12.120 looking for something Friday, uh, you know, uh, that's not 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:13.960 gonna that That's that will be the time you'll look 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.839 for something. Thursday. You'll have interviews like like Dane said, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.320 David said, all these podiums around will have the players on. 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.720 We'll get the opportunity, can't garrison. We're filming a lot 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.440 of this. We'll be able to bring a lot of it, 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.800 uh to you. So you're gonna make sure you follow, 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.400 you know, at the draft Show and DP Burglar and 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:36.800 then David Hellman Hellman DC, Right, that's the line, I 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.160 get it right that time. But so a lot of 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.120 things going on, and I just want to kind of 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.440 talk about really what we're gonna do and a couple 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.760 of things too. CALIBERO Collision and Tommy John. We want 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.560 to thank them two of our sponsors that are part 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.080 of the Draft Show, part of bringing us here, and 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.480 we appreciate that. Uh. I want to get into some 0:03:55.560 --> 0:04:00.400 things today, UH with uh with in regard are too 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.520 some I don't know if these are true or false 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.960 from the combine, but just have some questions for you 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.600 guys that I would like to to maybe address. We're 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.600 gonna do Twitter on the twenty. Make sure you get 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.720 your questions into David Hellman at the Draft Show. You 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.560 should be following the Draft Show because you can pick 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.440 it up on Periscope all that you know, Happy to 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.360 have you, happy to have the show for you, live there. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.239 But we get your questions on Twitter on the twenty 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.560 and then Dane Burglar came up with a list of 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.200 sixty players that he's looking at for the Combine. Guys 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.479 that have the most to gain, Guys that have the 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.520 most to lose. I've got my idea of some guys too. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.320 We'll get into that. That'll be in the last part 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.320 of the show. We can't take phone calls here, so 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.240 sorry about that, but we can sure interact with you 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.599 on that anyway. Well, sometimes the show just goes so 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.520 fast that you can't do that. But you know, when 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.440 we get back to the Star we'll do that. So 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.440 I want to ask you, guys though, something just about 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.800 the combine and what you might think and and it's 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.200 has to do love with guys working on, guys not 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.200 working out. And I don't know if it's true or 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.880 false or however you want to say it, but just 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.640 going into this guy like Corey Davis Wide Receiver. When 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.880 you got two guys, two sets of guys working out 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.360 Wide Receiver, Corey Davis and Mike Williams, one of them 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.120 working out, one of them not working out, talk about that. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:22.600 Does Corey Davis lose some ground here in this workout 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.880 when you know with the fact that you have guys 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:26.960 that are working out. And we can also talk about 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:29.280 it too a little bit with Jamal Adams and the 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.080 Malik Hooker. You know, we were talking about high guys 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.480 in this draft that somebody might mean it is one 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.160 set of guy. One guy working out and the other 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.680 one not. Does that affect Maybe putting one over the 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.800 other from just the combot could, And I think it 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.280 depends on how that other player works out. You look 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.520 at Mike Williams. If he goes out, runs a four 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.880 or five two and performs well in the other drills, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.520 I think he helps himself. And you know, Corey Davis 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.600 doesn't have a chance to answer. Now he might at 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.840 the Pro Day, but for now, Mike Williams gets a 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.440 little bit, get a little bit of a leg up. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:01.920 I'm glad you said that, And that's what I was 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.719 gonna say, because I don't think so. Maybe the Hooker 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.360 one's interesting because Hooker, I mean, pro Day is probably 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.560 not a good bet either, right can depending on how 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.560 much time. Ever he has said that he's healing quicker 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.320 than expected, but it's still that's that would be a 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.880 lot to ask. Now you know he's coming off not 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.599 only the labor but the hernia. I mean, you know, 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.280 I don't know, it'd be a tough thing to do 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:25.960 to come back and work out before the draft. In 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.320 the case of a Hooker or a McKinley where they 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.800 might not work out at all before they're drafted. Yes, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.840 I think that's not good. Now we get the oppression 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.400 that McKinley is going to try and work out, I don't. Yeah, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.239 he's gonna be here and working out at the combine. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.760 He's gonna have surgery and Mark, Yeah, so you're gonna get, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.839 You're gonna get. He's gonna he's gonna work out, and 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.200 that might be the only opportunity, like you said, and 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.359 my my main point being is if you have a 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.040 chance to work out, whether it's okay and that like 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.920 that's unusual to do the combine and then have the surgery. Right, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:57.920 if you have a chance to work out, I don't 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.479 think it matters. So Corey Davis, he's going to have 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.360 his pro day. And that's even guys who work out 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.760 here who are bad, don't we always say, like, well, 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.120 he'll have a chance to make up for it at 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.680 the pro day. He was slower than he wanted to be. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.840 He can run his bench was bad, he can do 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.000 it again at the pro day. If you get one chance, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:13.840 if you have a chance to work out, I don't 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.680 think it really matters. But to what you just said 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.360 he only has one chance. So you know, if Mike 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.080 Williams runs a four or five eight here, that helps 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.000 Corey Davis a little bit. But then Mike Williams has 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.120 a chance to improve run better at the clumsy well, yeah, exactly. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.000 And then and that's the other point is pro days, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.440 you know, they're they're weight a little differently depending on 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.280 team to teams, scout to scouts, you know, tur for grass, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.480 what's the weather, what's going on as an indoor outdoor, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.920 So the pro days are a little different here. And 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.520 that's why I really enjoyed the combine because everything's done 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.080 on the same field. You know, you don't have to 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.720 deal with any conditions. It's it's same for everybody. So 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.120 for a situation like Corey Davis and Mike Williams could 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.200 end up being a blessing in disguise for Corey Davis. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:55.800 Mike Williams goes out there and runs a four or 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.320 five eight, four to six one and doesn't really perform 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.120 as expected, could end up working out in Corey Davis's 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.040 favor and he goes his pro day and does well. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.080 But on the flip side, Mike Williams could run well 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.600 here and Corey Davis. Maybe he just has an off 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.480 day and the pro day, you know, doesn't run as well. 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.880 So the time that the scouts were working off of 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.600 for Mike Williams this spring and actually from the spring 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.200 and then into the fall was a four four zero. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.840 That's not having him, I mean, and I mean he 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.960 doesn't look like a four four athlete to you, does he? No? 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.720 And I was just curious about that, though, mean, but 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.320 you think he's more in the four five range? You think, Yeah, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.240 I think a four or five two is kind of 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.240 what the athlete I see. I don't, you know, you 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.679 watch him on tape, you don't see him, you know, 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.120 creating that separation vertically. He's just not that type of athlete. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.520 He's a good athlete, right, not saying he's not. I 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.160 just think he's more of a low four fives guy. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.680 But you know, the guy like Laquon Treadwell last year, right, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.560 more in the high four or fives and similar type 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.360 of deal. We didn't really expect him to run a 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.960 four four. Does a guy that didn't show a lot 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.400 of separation on tape still a good athlete, yeah, but 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.440 didn't really have the four yard dash? You expected, So 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.160 Mike Williams would be really interesting to see what he runs. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.400 If Mike Williams comes out there and does run less, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.360 if he does get in the fourth, say he runs 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.160 the same time that Corey, that Corey Davis would run 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.240 that they were working on four four eight? I mean, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.440 is that is that one of those things? Does that 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.199 maybe make you flip your mind a little bit about him? 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.040 Not me personally, Mike Williams is my top receiver anyway, right, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.439 so you know, if you were a team though, if 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.640 you're a team, if your team Brian brought us that, 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.880 like Corey Davis better, I would hate to change my 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.480 grade on a player based on a four or five 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.000 two to a four or five. You know, and trust 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.120 the tape, you know, And that's a great name for 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.600 a podcast. Yeah, but would it make you feel different 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.040 about the player? Not really. I don't know. If you 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:48.920 ran a four four zero, then I'm going back to 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.560 the tape and figuring out, Okay, what am I? What 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.120 am I missing here? Yeah? Because he doesn't look like 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.480 a four for oh athlete, But in the combine in 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:59.280 the Pro day, just for like confirming things that I 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.800 think the fact when kids run out here and run fast. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.800 I think that I think scouts leave this place with 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:09.360 a different feeling about them, hopefully not drastically different than 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.120 what they already had. We've seen that. I think like 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.400 a Will Fuller last year, sure goes out runs the 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.000 fourth three two, but that was expected. That's his game. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.320 He's a vertical athlete. I just want to guess I'm 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.880 trying to say this with a combine itself and when 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.120 people and I'm not just talking about the receivers. I'm 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.120 talking about when anybody tests well. And you're right, I mean, 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.640 there's it's the history is littered with with the Mike 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.480 Mamulas of the world and guys like that that have 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.720 been drafted on the on the the measurables from the combine. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.559 But I think what I'm trying to my question with 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.280 you guys though, is you know Will Will Will there 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.280 be an advantage? Will there be an advantage for And 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.600 we could talk about these things because these two safeties 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.400 could be taken. They could be taken, and I think 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.480 back to back, whichever you whichever way you want to go, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.040 I think that is a better that's a better one 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.000 for me, because like I said, I mean, we might 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.640 not see Hooker workout before he gets drafted, which in 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.240 that case, I would give Jamal out. To talk about 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.280 the importance of the workout, I would give Jamal Adams 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.240 the edge because he's gonna have opportunities to show what 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.520 he can do and prove all that stuff. In the 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.400 case where we expect Corey Davis and Mike Williams to 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.000 both work at some point, then I think it's a wash. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.440 I don't. I mean, sure, maybe you way to combine 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.959 a little more heavily than the pro day, but you're 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.400 still getting a chance to see what they can do 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.040 in these drills. And I don't think there's a right 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.520 or wrong. Uh, you know, I I see I disagree 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:29.960 with you on the safety. You know, I don't care 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.600 if Lee Cooker works out or not. Well, I know 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.720 you like Yeah, I still like him better than fall Out, 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.280 you know, so, but that might not be true. You know, team, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.439 the team, they might feel so coming into this combine 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.920 again and we're about to tape. Don't don't get us wrong, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.120 We're about to take of course. But if but if 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.520 one of those guys does go out there and do something, 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.040 then they get your team. I mean, that's something to 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.040 be buzzing into this room. It's an opportunity, absolutely. I 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.360 mean it's a chance. And so that's but you know 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.320 that works both ways. You know, if he goes out 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.520 and disappoints, then you know you're shooting yourself in the 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.840 foot where Corey Davis isn't know at this point. So 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.280 it could work both ways. But it's a chance, there's 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.400 no doubt about that. Wait, I think that's interesting. I 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.440 mean we're talking about you know, what if somebody blows 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.600 you away, right, how heavily do you weigh somebody blowing 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.479 you away at the combine or somebody like really disappointing 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.160 you at the combine? I mean, oh no, that's the 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.600 and and really the diary of that has written person 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.680 well as well. And I think I sit here and say, 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.480 you know, somebody blowing you away at the combine shouldn't 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.440 change how you feel about them too much. I think 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:26.959 it has to do with it, like somebody like the 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.960 quarterbacks throwing the ball. Yeah, it's always that the worst 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.960 quarterback workout of the combines. Yeah, when you're watching the 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.640 combine and you're sitting at home watching this, you know, 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.559 you really the whole idea is about the tape. In 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.760 this group, we believe the tape part of it. The workout, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.199 I think is a big part of it as well. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.760 It's a part of the it's it's part of the evaluation. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:48.839 But I also think you got to kind of be 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:50.800 a little careful about that because you bring up the 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.640 point about Cam Newton and the workout, and it's something 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.720 ball was all over the place, right, and you have 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.120 to factor in that they're throwing the guys they've never 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.040 played with before. There's chemistry. Is that hurts receivers too. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.360 By the way, you get a bad quarterback that camp 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.960 tell me, I mean Dak Prescott in training camp last 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.840 year and practice, how do you look not good? I mean, 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.720 there's there's a big difference when you go from a 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.240 practice setting to a game setting here where you're in 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.520 shorts and a T shirt, you don't have pads on, 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.000 you know, you don't have a helmet on him. There's 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:24.200 so many different variables here throwing here compared to you know, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.240 throwing in a game, and so you would expect that 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.520 throwing against air you should be better. Just not always 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.360 the case, especially when you're dealing with some chemistry issues 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:34.960 with guys you've never worked with you before. You're you're 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.160 a quarterback needy team, and you look at the combine 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.080 workout and the guy doesn't throw worth a damn, you're 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.520 gonna Are you gonna be a little concerned with this 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.480 quarterback class? Yeah? I think I'd be more concerned than 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.200 with others because there's not a guy here that I 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.000 think anybody's completely sold on. What if he throws great? 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.000 What if the quarterback throws great? Are you gonna go 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.320 watch him work out as a school workout? Of course, 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.600 it's all about if I have a chance to see 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.560 it when he's quarterbacks, if he's throwing somewhere, throwing on Mars, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.640 I'm getting a ticket to go to Mars the same throw. 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:06.360 If I have a chance to see him throw, I'm 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.800 going and it for It's it's tough because you trust 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.640 the tape. But at the same time, there's a reason 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.240 this is all going on. This is absolutely there's so 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.760 many people here, you know it matters. That's actually it's 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.080 a really good point though, And it's kind of what 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.200 I was trying to say a minute ago. If somebody 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.320 goes out and if Deshaun Watson blows us away, this 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.400 week and like great workout, amazing, Yeah, don't you kind 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.520 of and you're like okay, yeah, but like it's on air, 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.640 that's what you're supposed to do. Whereas scout guys get 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.720 excited about that. But I think, look, he's throwing well. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.240 I think if people I think, if he has a 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.160 really terrible one, I think the reaction will be much 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.480 worse in the next and it would be in the post. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.120 It's all about finding out why any workout, if he's struggling, yeah, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.560 why why is he struggling? What are you struggling with? 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.680 Does that translate to the tape? And there's a big 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.120 thing to be said about just seeing a quarterback throw 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.560 in person. A lot of these coaches that are here 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.040 have never seen these quarterbacks fring person right. It is 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.240 so important. How does the ball come off their hand, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:05.000 what's their their motion, like their efficient set up load, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.200 get the ball out. There's something to be said about 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.160 just seeing that live. You can see it on tape, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.400 but seeing it live, seeing the bull explode off their hand, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.800 the velocity on the ball, the placement, there's something to 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.760 be said about seeing that in person, and then the 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.440 feel you get and these quarterbacks going one after the 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.400 other at approach. Oh no, absolutely, it's quarterback show and 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:28.400 they're scripted exactly here. It's one after the same. I 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.960 think there's more pressure out here to throw at the 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.720 combine then at their workout at school course or any 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.440 any any drill. I mean, I think the pressing on 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.840 your field at your college with all your buddies. Absolutely, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.920 if you could survive the combine pressure. And I'm just 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.880 talking about any position, because there's some guys that that 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.080 that are going to have to survive some combine pressure 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.040 and and to and to make people. You know, you 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.360 got the tape, but my gosh, hey this guy's from 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.640 this school boy? Did he perform well? Didn't look out 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.040 of place? You know? That's about the sea bole. Right 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.960 before we get to before we take our first break 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.640 here that I want to get into this day, we 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.240 were kind of hearing some buzz uh here that the 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.880 running backs cook weighing in at two hundred and ten 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.240 pounds four net, two hundred thirty different thirty pound difference 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.720 right there, though, crazy Any concern about the heavy running back, 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:22.200 any concerned about coming in guys, maybe you know, being 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.960 in shape, not in shape, that kind of thing, That's 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.400 the bigger thing is what's the body looking like? Is 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.000 it good weight? Is there some bad weight on there? Uh? 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.480 You know that that's bigger than you know, because Leonard 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.760 fourdet can carry two hundred forty pounds no problem, and 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.280 it's still be in great shape. You know, that's just 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.440 his body. That's part of what makes him a freak. Um. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.800 It will be interesting to see what he runs at 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.920 two hundred forty pounds, right. If he goes out there 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.600 and runs a four or five zero at that weight, 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:52.800 that reminds me of Tyrone Wheatley doing that. I mean, 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.720 I know that goes way back in the day, but 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.920 that that young man coming down at you know, two 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.600 hundred and thirty two pounds and running in the four, 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.080 you know, the fourth he was getting. Uh, Fournette was 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.360 getting a lot of um Jamal Lewis comparisons on Twitter today, Right, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.120 Jamal Lewis is in the two forty two forty five 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.280 range as a player. I mean, you know, Leonard Fournette, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:14.680 that's just kind of who he is. He's a two 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.080 hundred forty pound back. Could he get to two thirty five? Sure? 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.040 I don't think it's necessary though. I don't think it 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.000 diminishes him as a as a running back. That's that's 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.800 a little different. That's I struggle with that because that's 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.840 obviously not ideal as a running back. One of the 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.720 biggest strengths you can talk about is just reliability. And 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.240 with Cook, No, he wasn't hurt that much in college. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.000 But the big thing will be with the medicals which 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:44.360 happened today. What's going on with the shoulders? Um, if 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.720 you told me, okay, the next five to seven years, 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.760 Dalvin Cook will average fourteen starts a year, I'd say 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.159 he's the best running back to come out in the 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.359 last five years. I think that much of him. I 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:58.280 think he's so supremely talented. That's fair praise. But I struggle, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:17:59.600 but I don't know if he's gonna be able to 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.600 fourteen starts a year just with that body armor, the 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.960 body build, the shoulders two hundred ten pounds. And that's 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.640 why wit made Zekes so special. He was so so 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.359 talented at a thick to twenty five, right, I have 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:14.760 no doubt in my mind he's gonna be able to 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.080 go out there and give me sixteen games. You know, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.400 at least a high percentage of that happening with Cook. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.760 A little more doubt there with is gonna be able 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.560 to hold up. You're going up against you know, twenty five, 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.080 twenty six, twenty seven year old men who you know 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:29.720 are doing this for a living, trying to earn that 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.600 next contract. A little different Dalvin Cook going up against 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.000 NC State and twenty year old linebackers. Where might sniff 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.680 the NFL We're going to see the running backs workout 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.960 Friday afternoon. That would be interesting to see what those 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.359 body types. One last thing too, before we hit the break, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.200