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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Select Elliott and now your host Dane Brugler. David

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Speaker 1: Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, we welcome you to

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Speaker 1: radio row here at the two thousand and seventeen NFL Combine.

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Speaker 1: It is the Draft Show. Brian brought us from Dallascowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com, joined by David Hellman Dallas Cowboys dot Com,

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Speaker 1: and then Dane Brugler from CBS Sports dot Com. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Indianapolis. Yeah, thanks for having me. You ready

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Speaker 1: to roll? I've been ready to roll? What way? We've

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Speaker 1: been here for almost two days already, Yeah, kind of

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Speaker 1: getting the sights and sounds, Yeah, getting the lay of

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Speaker 1: the land, getting everything figured out here. It's it's been

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Speaker 1: an interesting combine for us already because of the new

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Speaker 1: setup here, and we used to be at the stadium

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Speaker 1: right out in front of the club area. We're now

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Speaker 1: in the convention center across the street. Dane, it is

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Speaker 1: a different setup. We've now got the podiums around us

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Speaker 1: here with all the different groups, the teams, NFL network,

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Speaker 1: all the all the all the bells and whistles you

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Speaker 1: would want in a big time production. It's a circus.

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Speaker 1: There's a circus. There's a lot going on, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I get it. There's a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: attention for an event like this, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: it's over a thousand credential media here, a lot of radio,

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Speaker 1: a lot of TV, a lot of videos. So they

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Speaker 1: need space. But it's not the best setup for you know, everyone.

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Speaker 1: They get there what they need done. It'll be interesting

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Speaker 1: next few days when they start to bring players in,

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Speaker 1: get all those interviews done. It should be an interesting

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Speaker 1: I've always believed, guys, this is about really the teams,

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Speaker 1: and we've we've seemed to make it about ourselves about

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Speaker 1: the teams. It should be about the teams. It should

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Speaker 1: be about the teams. But that's that's great though, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's nice from the fans and the media do get

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Speaker 1: to be involved. You know, we'll have something here. This

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Speaker 1: will be a first for me covering the Combine and

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Speaker 1: The fans will actually be in the weight area though,

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Speaker 1: where they're lifting on the other side as you look

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Speaker 1: they'll have the actual where the fans can participate and

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Speaker 1: watch the bench press the two twenty five. So they

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Speaker 1: have a lot of interactive stuff here. They've got a

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Speaker 1: first groups we have out and the first group won't

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Speaker 1: get to work now. The first groups will be offense

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Speaker 1: not be on the field until Friday. So if you're

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Speaker 1: looking for something Friday, uh, you know, uh, that's not

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Speaker 1: gonna that That's that will be the time you'll look

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Speaker 1: David said, all these podiums around will have the players on.

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Speaker 1: We'll get the opportunity, can't garrison. We're filming a lot

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Speaker 1: of this. We'll be able to bring a lot of it,

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Speaker 1: uh to you. So you're gonna make sure you follow,

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Speaker 1: you know, at the draft Show and DP Burglar and

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Speaker 1: then David Hellman Hellman DC, Right, that's the line, I

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Speaker 1: get it right that time. But so a lot of

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Speaker 1: of the Draft Show, part of bringing us here, and

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Speaker 1: we appreciate that. Uh. I want to get into some

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Speaker 1: some I don't know if these are true or false

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Speaker 1: guys that I would like to to maybe address. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do Twitter on the twenty. Make sure you get

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Speaker 1: your questions into David Hellman at the Draft Show. You

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Speaker 1: it up on Periscope all that you know, Happy to

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Speaker 1: But we get your questions on Twitter on the twenty

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Speaker 1: and then Dane Burglar came up with a list of

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Speaker 1: sixty players that he's looking at for the Combine. Guys

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Speaker 1: that have the most to gain, Guys that have the

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Speaker 1: Does Corey Davis lose some ground here in this workout

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Speaker 1: Malik Hooker. You know, we were talking about high guys

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Speaker 1: I think he helps himself. And you know, Corey Davis

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Speaker 1: that's unusual to do the combine and then have the surgery. Right,

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams goes out there and runs a four or

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Speaker 1: just think he's more of a low four fives guy.

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Speaker 1: Mike Williams would be really interesting to see what he runs.

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Speaker 1: that they were working on four four eight? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is that is that one of those things? Does that

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Speaker 1: Not me personally, Mike Williams is my top receiver anyway, right,

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Speaker 1: like Corey Davis better, I would hate to change my

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Speaker 1: the tape, you know, And that's a great name for

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Speaker 1: am I missing here? Yeah? Because he doesn't look like

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Speaker 1: the Pro day, just for like confirming things that I

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Speaker 1: One from Alfredo? Uh to start this one off, which

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Speaker 1: is simple, whose medicals interest you the most this week?

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Speaker 1: Of all the guys who are going to get looked

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Speaker 1: I think Dalvin Cook, who we mentioned with the shoulders

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook? M Leonard Fournette with that ankle? Uh? That

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Speaker 1: forcing him as five games this year? What's going on

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Speaker 1: with that ankle? And he you know you've heard the

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Speaker 1: The most I might go John Ross and this is

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Speaker 1: a player's first round wide receivers, A first round receiver Washington,

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Speaker 1: a couple knees. He's gonna have a shoulder surgery in

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Speaker 1: UH in March. It might be one of the fastest

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Speaker 1: guys here too. Oh yeah, he's a candidate. Definitely, he'll

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Speaker 1: be in the four three range. And but the durability

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Speaker 1: So John Ross, I think he's definitely one of the ones.

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Speaker 1: We'll be bullshit and finding out more about need to

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Speaker 1: know about Jake, But I really do I need to

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Speaker 1: figure out though, because this is a really good tied

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Speaker 1: end cloud. We've said it. You know, if you're falling

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Speaker 1: along in the draft show, you understand we like these

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Speaker 1: tied in. But Jake, Budd, I want to see really

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Speaker 1: that you would maybe consider where Dallas is sitting there

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Speaker 1: right at sixty, this might be an opportunity to grab

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Speaker 1: a guy. I'm interested to see where his medical is,

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Speaker 1: maybe waits even a third round. Yeah, well, well we'll see.

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Speaker 1: It depends on It depends on really how how confident

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Speaker 1: segue for a question from Uriyahu. We've talked about tightening

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Speaker 1: have um who who And I know this is a

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Speaker 1: And who would be And I know we've talked about

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Speaker 1: it is you know, let's say it is in Joku

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Speaker 1: twenty eight and Juku? Sure? Yeah, yeah, we've talked about

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Speaker 1: Howard edding a Joku's right there. He's gonna think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna blow up this week. I think he said that

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Speaker 1: before he's gonna have a good week. Here's a guy

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Speaker 1: that might elevate himself. People might fall in love with

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Speaker 1: the numbers, with the measurables, but then you could kind

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Speaker 1: of see some things on tape with the athletic ability

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Speaker 1: part of it. Right, Well, okay, it's talking about numbers,

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Speaker 1: talking about athletic ability. What about our guy from Ashland.

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Speaker 1: That's what I came up again. See that's where I

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Speaker 1: was gonna go with this, because there's people starting to

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Speaker 1: And we appreciate everybody that falls along in the draft

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Speaker 1: when they end up in the second round. When he

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Speaker 1: thing you know, you're talking about him at thirty two.

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Speaker 1: Well that's people say that you know, draft stock and

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Speaker 1: that it's not real and it's media driven. No, hole,

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Speaker 1: that stuff exists. No, it's just it's the it's the

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Speaker 1: media catching up with the scouts. Well in a big

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Speaker 1: how is that going to translate? Does it? Yeah? That

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Speaker 1: is he He comes in at two seventy five or

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Speaker 1: is look out. I mean, how high can this guy go? Okay? Well,

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Speaker 1: and and I guess that you know I'm I'm the

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Speaker 1: black and white like bottom line guy, which so I

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Speaker 1: want to know how many tight ends you think are

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Speaker 1: going in the first round of this year's draft. I

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Speaker 1: think it'll be too Howard and joker Joker. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: will say this though about about our our Ashland tight end.

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Speaker 1: And this is to me. I talked about guys that

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Speaker 1: He's combine pressure. He's to me. I wrote about him

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Speaker 1: as combine pressure. He has to and I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't have no reason. I have no reason to doubt

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Speaker 1: the kid. But he he comes in and and and

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Speaker 1: scouts love to say checks all the boxes. This scout

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Speaker 1: right here loves to say that checks all the boxes,

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Speaker 1: checks all the boxes, combine pressure. Can he withstanding can

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Speaker 1: he look at Howard and other guys working out and

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Speaker 1: be able to hang in there and not drop passes,

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Speaker 1: you know, look powerful coming off in the block and

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Speaker 1: stuff run routes where he doesn't look bad. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know these are these are all the things that

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Speaker 1: be afterwards. We're gonna be talking about this tight end

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Speaker 1: group and he can have that rise where everybody goes

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Speaker 1: that's all they're talking about. They're not talking about Howard,

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Speaker 1: because we all think Howard's pretty damn good football player.

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Speaker 1: But this kid is gonna have to with Dan combined pressure,

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Speaker 1: and that's gonna be key for you. You can make

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Speaker 1: the argument that no other player in this class has

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Speaker 1: more to gain or lose of the combine and we'll

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Speaker 1: get into that too. Yeah, we'll get into that. Actually,

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Speaker 1: y'all are doing a great job of giving me seguys.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that because Landon wants to know we

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Speaker 1: I mean, we sort of touched on this in the

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Speaker 1: first segment anyway, But you guys that have a lot

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Speaker 1: to win. You hear about that all the time. But

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Speaker 1: who who has the most to lose at the combine.

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Speaker 1: See that's what that's our next Yeah, set, Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: got we got that coming. Landing hangs with us on

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Speaker 1: the Draft show. All right, we're gonna get into guys

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Speaker 1: who had the most to win and the guys that

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Speaker 1: have the most to lose. So just hang with us

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Speaker 1: on that one, Landed, appreciate that. Here's a I know

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Speaker 1: Cowboy fans, A lot of Cowboys fans like this guy,

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Speaker 1: and I want to know Joe. Joe wants to know

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Speaker 1: if he's a fit here. Uh tell tell me about

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker and does he fit for what the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: need in the safety when you consider Byron Jones is

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Speaker 1: already there. We talked about the measurements. Buddha Baker's a

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Speaker 1: guy who his measurements will be really important. Um, there

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Speaker 1: are teams in this league who will not draft a

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Speaker 1: safety under two hundred pounds in the first round, maybe

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Speaker 1: not even the top fifty picks, right, you know, because

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Speaker 1: it traditionally look at this league and sub two hundred

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Speaker 1: pounds safeties don't hold up. Now, Buddha Baker's a little

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Speaker 1: different because he's in that tyrone. Matthew Mold Where he

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Speaker 1: is he a coroner? Is he a Safety's kind of

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Speaker 1: a little bit of both. Fits that nickel position really well.

639
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Speaker 1: So if you want a true safety, I'm not sure

640
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker is your guy. But if you want a

641
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: nickel a guy that you know in that tyron Matthew Mold,

642
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I think that would make that. That's what he is, right,

643
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: This guy's a nickel player. I mean he's five nine

644
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: and a half one hundred ninety two pounds. And Dan's right,

645
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: the measurables, the measurables are going to be key for him.

646
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: They really are. As soon as you say like hybrid player,

647
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: I just shut down, like the Cowboys aren't going undrafted. Well,

648
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: but but this guy, but what he's what he's talking

649
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: about is he doesn't have the height, but what he

650
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: has is that ability to get to the football. And

651
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: you and I've seen it for firsthand retiring Matthew. We

652
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: we've seen the ability to be around the football and

653
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: create turnovers. Nobody loves the honey Badger more than me,

654
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: But no, that's true. What would you do with him

655
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: on in this Cowboys scheme? And that's really what I

656
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: go back to and That's that's what makes me wonder

657
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: about this is I don't think they want not that

658
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: obviously they want good football players, but they I don't

659
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: think they think that he fits in what they do well.

660
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: And it's what percentage of the snaps are they in nickel?

661
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: You know? Right? So is it seventy percent? I mean,

662
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: he's it close to that number. And if it's so,

663
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: then I think he could fit as your your third,

664
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: your slot corner. A guy that can move around a

665
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: little bit. How about is the free safety? Right? And

666
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: because he can cover ground when he runs, I mean

667
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: there's a you're someone a player with range. Yeah, this

668
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: is a guy if you put him near the line, yeah,

669
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna make the tackle. You put him deep, he

670
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: is gonna run his rear off to get to the ball.

671
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: So does that mean you can use Byron Jones as

672
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: you're very church. You can put Byron Jones down if

673
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: you want, or you can interchange him, right if you

674
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: want to put one down one back like that, and

675
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: that's change right that you got the guy that could

676
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: play the side. Note where he might be to disadvantage

677
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: as if he has to play the tight end, if

678
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: he has to play the bigger tight end, that might

679
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: be a problem, but you put him deep at safety,

680
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: he will run and it will be It'll be importantly

681
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: we said the official numbers. Is he over one ninety,

682
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: is he close to two hundred? Does he get close

683
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: to five ten? And Karl Joseph last year there you

684
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: go mid first round. He came in under five ten

685
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: and only two hundred and five pounds, right, So it's

686
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: not like he was this hulking safety, right And he's

687
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: still run hit guy exactly and he's coming off in

688
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: acol right, so and he still went mid first round.

689
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: So I think Buddha Baker, he will be a very

690
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: interesting prospect. He won't be a fit for everyone, but

691
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: for a lot of teams, a team willing to be

692
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: a little creative, he'll make some sense. Yep, all right,

693
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: I like this question a lot because I know how

694
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: y'all feel about this guy, and I mean, who knows

695
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: if he'll even be there, But uh, you know, we've

696
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Jalen Smith this week at the

697
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: combine between Steven Jones and Jason Garrett. Apparently he's going

698
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: to be ready for the offseason program. We have no

699
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: idea how effective he'll be. He's good playing that brace.

700
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: It sounds like very likely to be playing with a

701
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: brace on his foot. We don't know if he will

702
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: be that Jalen Smith, which okay, but so linebacker is

703
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: not the most jarring need on this team. I think

704
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: we would agree. Well, when you talk about Damien Wilson

705
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: and then you talk about Mark and Zatcha. Right, you've

706
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: got some young guys you need to play. You've got

707
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: some guys that need to play. You've got whatever to lose.

708
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: Justin Durant though, probably let me get there, just let

709
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: me get there everything we just said. If your boy

710
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: Cunningham from Vanderbilt is there at twenty eight, do you

711
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: make that pick. That's your boy. I like him, I

712
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: like him, loves him. That's your boy. I absolutely love

713
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,239
Speaker 1: this guy when you draft him. Absolutely. I would as

714
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: a strong side. Yeah, as a strong side linebacker, and

715
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: they'll probably say they wouldn't play him in a strong side.

716
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: I think you could play this guy anywhere. I really do.

717
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: I think he could playim with Sam. I think he

718
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: Mike I could play. People were talking about me, you know,

719
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: Will he's he's you know, six three, two hundred and

720
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: thirty pounds. He'll probably put on some weight more ways,

721
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: he is a lanky guy. But I'll tell you what, though,

722
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: you talk about a guy that can really and we

723
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: boot a baker covering some ground, but this guy plays

724
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: with a burst. If you really you would draft him

725
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: in the first round alone, if you watch him play Georgia.

726
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: If you can only watch one film of this guy

727
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: to get a feel of what type of player he

728
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: could potentially be, watch the Georgia game this year because

729
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: he gets after it. And Vanderbilt does not have a

730
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: great history of winning football programs, every once in a

731
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: while they'll put a guy in the league. This guy

732
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: right here, I think very quilt quietly. He's gonna go

733
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: through this combine. But when you watch him move around,

734
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: I think everybody will be very impressed with him. That

735
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: would be That would be a BPA moment because I

736
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: can't I and I said that when we were first

737
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: starting the draft cycle. If Jayalen Smith is never Jalen Smith, though,

738
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I can justify a first round pick

739
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: on a linebacker with everything else that you need. But

740
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: if this guy is that much of a stud and

741
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: he's there, Remember it was two I wish taken Miles Jack.

742
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: I wish they had taken Miles That's not no, no, no, no, no,

743
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: no no. I wish they would have taken Miles Jack

744
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: in the second round. They didn't. They take a different linebacker.

745
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: They didn't take Miles Jack. But look at two years

746
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: ago they were ready to take Shack Thompson right, yeah,

747
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: before he was snatched up, and they went Byron Jones

748
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: the year before that. Yeah, right, So I mean they

749
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: have there's a history there of linebacker being high. Might

750
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: it might be it might be a high enough grade

751
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: at twenty eight, right, And that's the thing. If he's

752
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: still there at twenty eight, it could be that case

753
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: this year where the best player available also fits a

754
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: possible need, best linebacker or Ross. It depends on the medicals.

755
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: It's so tough to say with Ross, right, Nicole's scare me. Yeah,

756
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if if healthy, I'm going Ross. But you

757
00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: know many knee surgeries two and that we did. Yeah,

758
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: I mean we've traveled to Jalen Smith road, like I

759
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: just want a guy who will be ready for a

760
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: rookie camp, Like he'll be out there. Lucky that Jalen

761
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: Smith didn't have to play they really are. Well, look,

762
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before. Is a rookie really gonna

763
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: be the difference between a super Bowl or not? Probably not?

764
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: But thirteen games a rookie taken at twenty eight although well, yeah, yeah,

765
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I never know, Dane, you never know that guarantee. There's

766
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: people right now that love you and right now are

767
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: yelling at their screen because of what you just said.

768
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: Let's like, okay, let's wait to take a quarterback to

769
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: the sixth round, Tom Brady. Okay, yeah, even you're in

770
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, a guy taken at twenty

771
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: eight probably will not be the difference between it. Of course,

772
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: So I'm on the field, okay, okay, when we talk

773
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: about real quick in Ross, would you expect him to

774
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: help with no, with with playing opposite Dez Bryant. And

775
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: it's not like Ross is hurt right now, No, no, no,

776
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: he's got a history, right exactly, he has a history.

777
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: But I'm asking you could Ross help at at play

778
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: play the second receiver on this team at twenty eight

779
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: a receiver, yes, any any of the receivers that they

780
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: could take in that range. I think I mean Terrence

781
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: stepped in and was fine at at seventy seven. Back

782
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: in twenty third. I'd love him there. But this is

783
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: a good receiver draft. I think you look at the

784
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: receivers in the second third round. Yeah, that's that's kind

785
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: of the sweet spot. So you might not need to

786
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: take one at twenty eight, right. I think there's a

787
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: good chance that the best player available on their board

788
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: at twenty eight will not be a receiver, would be

789
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: a corner. And don't you think there's a much better

790
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: chance on it. I mean defensive end or corner, much

791
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: better chance of a corner, possibly a defensive end. We're

792
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: cutting him at linebacker on March first. I can sit

793
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: here and say, this is the real excite about cutting him.

794
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: This is the real kiss of death right here on

795
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: March first. I just feel like I feel pretty damn

796
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: confident saying pass rusher or d back one or the other. Gosh,

797
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: it's already March. It's drafty beer before we know it. Yeah,

798
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: but I think you're right the way, and like, you know,

799
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: we talked about that incessantly last year. You know, the

800
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: thirty four was a sweet spot for receivers and rhada yadayada. Yeah,

801
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: it just the way that this with what they need

802
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: and what is available to them. It just makes too

803
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: much sense. It would have to be something crazy like

804
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: a you know, a Cunninghammer, another top twenty guy like

805
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: that falling. You know, maybe somebody puts a gas mask

806
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: on on draft night. Where did you have cutting him

807
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: on your board? Uh like nineteen something like that. So

808
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: at twenty eight you'd be okay with that then? Right?

809
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: Sure that we'll see who else is there? But yeah,

810
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: I think that's we'll see, And it's one of those

811
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: things we're dressing your board. It depends, yes, because that

812
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm not my board is not for the Cowboys. Mind No, No,

813
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: I just I was just saying, so you would you

814
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: would you wouldn't question them if they took him at

815
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: twenty eight if I have, If I have, you would

816
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: say that's a valued pick. Sure. If Cunningham's my nineteenth player,

817
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: and say Charles Harris is my twenty first player and

818
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: both players are available at twenty eight, I'm probably leading

819
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: the pass rusher. I mean, you know, because I'm not

820
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: doing my board for the Cowboys. I'm doing my board

821
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: just an overall talent, similar tiers, they're similar areas, So

822
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm going passed rush. Who's a better player Cunninghammer or

823
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: Harris and on your board cunning him. Yeah, I haven't

824
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: rated as a better player, but first round player, right, yes.

825
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: But for this this team, I think if the pass

826
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: rusher is rated very close, I'm leading the pass rusher

827
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: just based on he's getting on the field quicker and

828
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna make more of an infat And that's Stephen

829
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: Jones kind of alluded to that, you know, and BPA

830
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: is the right way to go, and it makes sense

831
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: and don't window dress your board. But Stephen Jones even

832
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: kind of said last night, he was like, you know,

833
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: you need guys for a reason, like you have needs

834
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: for a reason, and you know it's hard to sit

835
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: there and the guys you need look a lot better

836
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: than the guys you don't need, even if it might

837
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: not be ranked that one. This is why you fight

838
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: like hell on the stack, right, This is where you

839
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: when you build a board, this is where you take

840
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: your sword and you go to battle to try and

841
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: and you always make it so dramatic. It is dramatic.

842
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: It is dramatic because you know what, it's your team

843
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: you're fighting for. You you're fighting for your life. You

844
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: really are. I mean, you're the guy. He's an ex

845
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: scal he gets fired. I have, I have fought these battles. No,

846
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: it was more than scal. I mean I sat in

847
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: that room and died when things have happened wrong. I mean,

848
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: trust me, you you you want me in that room

849
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Speaker 1: John Elway today said something, so you know that ideally

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Speaker 1: you know, so you can go best player available, you

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Speaker 1: can go. You can you don't. You can go buy

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Speaker 1: your board, right, So whoever the best player is on

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Speaker 1: your board, you can go that player. But it's not

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Speaker 1: always the case. No, it's not every round, not every round.

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Speaker 1: But I think, to me, the board is important. I

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Speaker 1: think the stack is even more important. The stack. Give

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Speaker 1: me the one to one fifty, because that's gonna tell

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Speaker 1: me the difference between DeMarcus Ware and Sean Merriman. That way,

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Speaker 1: that's what it's gonna be. Tags to tags. Yeah, so anyway,

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Speaker 1: all right, you got one more maybe one more? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually I had one that I was really curious about.

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Speaker 1: One more thing. We got to get to a break

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Speaker 1: and then we'll come back and I want to get

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Speaker 1: to Dame Sliss of combined winners and losers. Tell me

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Speaker 1: this is this is almost like a tell me more

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Speaker 1: because y'all are away far ahead of me. Dave wants

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Speaker 1: to know tell me, tell me about Shelton Gibson and

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Speaker 1: what you expect to see from him this week. And

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Speaker 1: we were pleasantly surprised. We watched his tape. Yeah, he

872
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Speaker 1: can fly, true deep threat. He saw him do a

873
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Speaker 1: lot of that in the West Virginia tape. Yeah, reminded

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Speaker 1: me a lot of Kenny Stills form Oklahoma receiver who

875
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Speaker 1: I consider that to be a good comparison. Yeah, I

876
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: mean there's some questions about him as an underneath receiver,

877
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Speaker 1: developing his routes, being a consistent catcher to the football,

878
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: but that deep speed is really impressed. If he has

879
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Speaker 1: a chance to separate late go and attack the ball,

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00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: and that that might be the best thing about his tape.

881
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: He attacks the ball, He doesn't let the ball come

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Speaker 1: to him. And as a deep receiver going up against

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Speaker 1: you know, corners who can run with you. Now, he

884
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Speaker 1: played in the Big twelve, where you know defense is

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Speaker 1: offal and especially in the secondary. But I was pleasantly

886
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Speaker 1: surprised by his tape. I think he might run a

887
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Speaker 1: four three here. I think he'll be in that range.

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Speaker 1: And Dave actually wants I mean, will he be this

889
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Speaker 1: year's will Fuller, which what you're describing to me, he's bigger.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's quite will Fuller. I think, you know,

891
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Speaker 1: will Fuller is a four three two forty yard dash.

892
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: I think Gibson's more in the high four threes, which

893
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Speaker 1: isn't a bad thing. Um, but you know, he maybe

894
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Speaker 1: I don't know third round, you know, I think somewhere

895
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Speaker 1: on TAD two. Uh. If you're looking for that deep threat,

896
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: he fits a certain description. That's what you're looking for.

897
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: He makes some sense. I mean, I know it's not

898
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: this simplistic, but that's exactly what the Cowboys should be

899
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Speaker 1: working looking for. Is somebody who can just fly and

900
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Speaker 1: scare the crap out of other teams. And and Beasley

901
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: and all those other guys worry about stretch out the defense.

902
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: This guy puts a lot of pressure on your defense.

903
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: He puts the way he runs. You give him free

904
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Speaker 1: access and route let him go. He is gonna put

905
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Speaker 1: a ton of pressure on you. And what's amazing bat.

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Speaker 1: He draws a ton of flacks. Yeah, I've never seen

907
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Speaker 1: a receiver draw more to it, flags from safeties, over

908
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Speaker 1: the top guys, maybe the ball short and he's having

909
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Speaker 1: to come back to the ball because he's outrun everybody.

910
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: He draws more penalties than any other receiver I've ever seen.

911
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: I struggled with that because I wrote that in my notes,

912
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Speaker 1: and you know, we talked about that. I've never seen

913
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Speaker 1: a receiver draw more flags. But how much of that

914
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Speaker 1: is just terrible big twelve defensive backplay. How about his

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Speaker 1: quarterback not getting him the ball exactly, that's part of

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Speaker 1: it too. So it's but he has a knack for that.

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Speaker 1: It's really remarkable. I mean, like I said, I know

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Speaker 1: Dez Bryan can score on a fifty yard go. He's

919
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Speaker 1: done in a million times. But the older he gets,

920
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Speaker 1: that's not how I want to use him anyway. I

921
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Speaker 1: want a guy who can do that. And that's this

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00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,960
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Speaker 1: like Gibson, uh, you know, on day two and be

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Speaker 1: happy about the West Virginia receiver. Though there's been some

926
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Speaker 1: there's been some hold your reer on that. Sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: and put your hand that card in. You're like going

928
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Speaker 1: and you know, but it isn't Bailey Austin letting the

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's Tavon Austin. Makes you think in the

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Speaker 1: then it's not a bad pick. Top ten all right, anyway,

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Speaker 1: thanks everybody on Twitter on the twenty. Really do appreciate

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Speaker 1: the question, I'll send out the ask earlier. Yeah, I see, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to the Draft show here from the Combine in Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate everybody out there that's been watching all the

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Speaker 1: different platforms we have. You know whether it's been on

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00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn the show over to you, right now. Yeah,

1005
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: lets you do a little uh little questions and answers

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Speaker 1: with Dane and I, and it really trying to get

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Speaker 1: into about the the guys that we think the winners. Yeah,

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00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: I kind of stow y'all's thunder with that question from Landing.

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Speaker 1: So Landing did a good job. We appreciate Landing. I

1010
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: like Landing. He's a good question. Ask I think this

1011
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: is I mean, it's an interesting point though. Great we

1012
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: have guys who can win, but who who has the

1013
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: most to lose here? And I honestly it's even more

1014
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer because I'd probably say Joe

1015
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: Mixon if he was here, but he's not. So with

1016
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: that in mind, what do you think? Yeah? There, Dane,

1017
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: And the way I look at the combine, you break

1018
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: up into four categories, the interviews, the medicals, the on

1019
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: field testing both the positional and the athletic, and then

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00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: the verified measurements. I think all four areas are important

1021
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: and for different players. And we talked about Buddha Baker

1022
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: how the verified measurements are important for him, right uh,

1023
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: you know the forty yard dash from Mike Williams, that

1024
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: type of thing, right Uh, you know, so for each player,

1025
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: you could really identify one of those criteria as being

1026
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: more important. DeMarcus Walker, Florida State. I think the workouts

1027
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: are really important for him because you watch him on tape,

1028
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: he's not that explosive edge rusher who's going to capture

1029
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: the corner, you know, wrap around tackles. His best production

1030
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: came from the interior where he was beating slow footed

1031
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: offense and guards. So watch the Old Miss game. If

1032
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: you get that opportunity, that'll open your eyes. Him playing inside, well,

1033
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: just you watch him in any game and he's not

1034
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: doing anything off the edge, off the edge, but inside

1035
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: it's a difference exactly. And so how will he test here?

1036
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: I think if that matches up with the tape, it's

1037
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: just it's going to hurt him. And I've heard people

1038
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: talking about him as a possible first round pick. It

1039
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: doesn't show it on tape, and I don't think he's

1040
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: going to perform like a first round to hear, so

1041
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: potentially he's a guy that could hurt himself. Yeah, I don't.

1042
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I think another guy when when you

1043
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: start talking about, uh, you know, the workouts and really

1044
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: how well, how he's gonna how things are going to

1045
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: pan out. I think Juju Smith Schuster, and I say

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Speaker 1: this because I do, and Juju smith Schuster plays wide

1047
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Speaker 1: receiver at USC, and A and Dani has told you,

1048
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Speaker 1: and we've told you this all along. It's a pretty

1049
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: deep class of wide receivers. The tape I've seen to him,

1050
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: I see a guy that can catch the football. I

1051
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: see a guy that shows toughness. I see a smart

1052
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Speaker 1: football player. Guy that caught a ball at the end

1053
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Speaker 1: of a football game. Instead of scoring, he felled down

1054
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Speaker 1: to run the clock out. That's football intelligence right there.

1055
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Speaker 1: Give me the guy that has a smart player. We

1056
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Speaker 1: saw what happened with the Cowboys with Terrence Williams not

1057
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: getting out of bounce. I think Juju Smith Schuster. How

1058
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: he runs the forty yard dash will tell you a

1059
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: lot about now. Hopefully he will get a time to

1060
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: where he runs well enough to where he doesn't have

1061
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: to run a get at USC. Based on tape, he's

1062
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: going to probably be in the high four fives, you know,

1063
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be that's just the tape. Now, if

1064
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: he's been training, if he can get that into the

1065
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: into the low four fives, maybe even a four or

1066
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: five oh something like that. I think that the tape

1067
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: is good enough. You could see him make plays. But

1068
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: the question is really how fast is he going to

1069
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: be if he avoids the four sixes? Yeah, he can't.

1070
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: He can't go out there and run a four six

1071
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: eight and and because people will go to usc but

1072
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: can you take a four six eight? You don't want

1073
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: people gleeve in here and thinking that's what he is.

1074
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: Didn't my homie Jarvis run a really bad four seven

1075
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: at the combine? You can bounce back, but what was?

1076
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: What was when was Landry taken three? So I'm trying

1077
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: to get Smith Schuster in that mix of conversation of say,

1078
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: second round, but what wide receiver? What have we been

1079
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: talking about this wide receiver class? And how deep it is? Second?

1080
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: Third round? I'm trying to position in better or I'm

1081
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: looking at him. So many receivers stacked close to each

1082
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: other that forty yard could be a distinguishing factor that

1083
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: could move them up and down. This raises an interesting question,

1084
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: of all the things that are going to happen here,

1085
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: is it fair to say that the on field is

1086
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: the least important? Though I'd say the four criteria that

1087
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: I mentioned it's third. You know, I think verify you

1088
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: should have a close idea to you know guys just

1089
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: behind the eye test. But first and foremost of the medicals.

1090
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about that, how important that is.

1091
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: That's why they combine exists. Second, the interviews, and that's

1092
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: where I think a lot of these players have something

1093
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: you talk about winners and losers. Tim Williams from Alabama,

1094
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: that's my guy. How does he interview? You know? We yeah, okay,

1095
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: how important is football? Do you right? His answers better

1096
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: be good because teams are beady. And remember that these

1097
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 1: interviews are it's like speed dating. It's like fifteen minutes

1098
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: quick hitter. So they're not going to waste time getting

1099
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: to know you. They're gonna ask the hard questions right away,

1100
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: and you know, try and trip you up a little bit.

1101
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: So you better don't come off, you know, like you're annoyed.

1102
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: Don't come off tire, don't come You'll get be excited.

1103
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, the questions that you are the you know,

1104
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: be on ahead. You have to be yeah, forthcoming with

1105
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: the only your mistakes, but at the same time project

1106
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: how that's in your past. Yeah, there's people they're gonna

1107
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: ask him questions. Dane's absolutely right. You don't have a

1108
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: lot of time with this kid, and then the horn

1109
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: sounds and he's got to be somewhere else. You better

1110
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: make sure that your two best questions are your two

1111
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: best questions. Yeah, because he's gonna have to give you

1112
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: some extensive answers. And I think these interviews are gonna

1113
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: tell whether people want to bring him in for the

1114
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: thirty visit. That's where I think he's he is. He

1115
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: is talking now whether teams are gonna have him completely

1116
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: off the board or do we bring him in as

1117
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: a guy as one of our thirty visits. And again,

1118
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: he's that good of a football player. By the way.

1119
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: Another point, and well, if there were no questions about him,

1120
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd get past like fifteen. Yeah, I

1121
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: mean he's the top ten pick. Yeah, he's said can

1122
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: maybe the first best pass rush from this draft. So

1123
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: with that in mind, and you know, we talk all

1124
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: the time about how the combine is like this moment

1125
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: of truth on the medical front. You know, yeah, we're

1126
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna find out about you, We're gonna know what this means,

1127
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So you know, Tim Williams is going

1128
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: to go through this on the interview front. What does

1129
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: that look like? And I guess the fascinating thing is

1130
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: probably that it's gonna look it's gonna be thirty two

1131
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: different answers for thirty two different teams. Like, somebody's gonna

1132
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: be like, we can work with this guy, and then

1133
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: there's gonna be half a dozen teams that are like,

1134
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: get him out of here, we don't want to talk

1135
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, absolutely, And I think and how but

1136
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: how do we come to a consensus on that over

1137
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: the next month and a half or there won't be

1138
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: good question? Yeah? Yeah, no. And that's something that is

1139
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: one of the layers of what makes the draft so

1140
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: intriguing because different teams will feel differently about the issues,

1141
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: felt feel differently about the value where they'd feel comfortable

1142
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: taking a player like that, you know, for some teams

1143
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: off the board completely other teams, you know what if

1144
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: he's still available in this round, Okay, we'd feel comfortable

1145
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: at that point. So we when we talked about, you know,

1146
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: some of the character guys, the quarterbacks in the interviews,

1147
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: that's going to be really important. Deshaun Kaiser, why do

1148
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: you have a losing record left right? Is that you

1149
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 1: know what? What? What didn't you do that you needed

1150
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: to do? What? But the coaching well, you know, it

1151
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: didn't seem like you and Brian Kelly and the offensive

1152
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: coaching staff were always on the same page. Why not tape?

1153
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: But I want to hear from Deshaun Kaiser. Is that

1154
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: the case? Were you worried about Malik's that year? We

1155
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: were worried about the coaches not having trust in you.

1156
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: I want to hear his answers because he has to

1157
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: be honest, but not throw the coaches under the bus

1158
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: and blame others. Is he going to be you know

1159
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: kind of is he gonna put it on himself or

1160
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: blame others? I want to hear Deshun Kaiser's explanation, so

1161
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: I we'll hear him tomorrow in the media. I think

1162
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: it'll be a little more guarded diplomatic with his answers.

1163
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: But with these teams, how does he answer those questions?

1164
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes, you know, okay, yeah, I'm gonna give you

1165
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: an offensive scenario, you know, a pro style uh verbiage.

1166
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: You know, how does he handle that? You know, you

1167
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: make that call in the huddle where is he mentally

1168
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: in terms of his development. We know physically what he brings,

1169
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: but coming from the air raid offense, uh, you know

1170
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: which where is he mentally? That's something that's going to

1171
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: be big for his value. Dave, I want to bring

1172
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: up something that we won't get to see or the

1173
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: fans at home won't get to see, but scouts will.

1174
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: And that's the second position workout. That's something that you

1175
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: know that as a as a as a scout. Sitting

1176
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: there at the old RCA Dome, you know, watching them

1177
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: go through, I always fun I always always wonder maybe

1178
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: they need to work this guy and Dane, you know

1179
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about Speedy Noll. You know you think he's

1180
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: a cornerback, corner. Yeah, see this is where this is

1181
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: where this this is where the second workout that you

1182
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: don't see on TV, but it's between say they run

1183
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: the forty yard dashes, they'll put a guy through. They'll

1184
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: bring a position coach out there and they'll work the

1185
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: kid out as a corner, or they'll work out a

1186
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: guy like Curtis Samuel, who I think is a running back.

1187
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: You know he's you know a receiver, is he a

1188
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: running back? He's going to go through. I mean you're

1189
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: missing the most Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly, there you go.

1190
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean, but I feel like though the second position

1191
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: workout could gain you know, that could gain some traction

1192
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: of somebody in a draft room saying we'll put on

1193
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: the Combine tape when he was going through the drills, Look,

1194
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: he looks like a corner there. No, he looks he's

1195
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: got corner feet, he's got the burst, he's got the turn,

1196
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: he's got the you know, all those things you wanted

1197
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: to corn. He can't catch, you know, that's why you

1198
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: can't play him at receiver. So to me, the second

1199
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: position workout is going to be a key fascinating for

1200
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: a lot of guys here. And we'll and you know,

1201
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: we'll get the Combine list. I'll get to come on

1202
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: us and we'll figure out who the who's because the

1203
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: teams ask specifically, would you please work this guy out?

1204
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: And and the and the Combine does a great job.

1205
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: They put a coach out there and they work him

1206
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: out for five minutes and you get an idea if

1207
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: he can do it or not. I would hate that

1208
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: if I were an NFL team, because I want to

1209
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: go do it privately with them. Some teams do, but

1210
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: but they I guarantee you there will be some guys

1211
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: that that will go through wide receiver workouts that they'll

1212
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: try at corner and they'll flip. There's been some there's

1213
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: been some guys at the time that have been quarterbacks

1214
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: that they flipped to other positions. In your experience, and

1215
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: this has to has to have happened, Like do you

1216
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: guys get pissed like with I mean speeding oil and

1217
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: you've been receiver since you were fifteen, Matt Jones. If

1218
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: you were Matt Jones a lot of money, made a

1219
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: lot of money going from playing a quarterback at Arkansas

1220
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: running four in the four threes twice. Thought my watchers

1221
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: wrong the first time, sat there with him, like, what'd

1222
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: you guys get? Four? Three eight? Okay, I'm in the ballpark.

1223
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: Here we go. Second does it again? Now, all of

1224
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, you see Matt Jones out there catching footballs

1225
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: like in the Gauntland drill and stuff. You're like, going,

1226
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: it's not a quarterback, he's a receiver. But you know, like,

1227
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know how that works. Yeah, Well, I'm

1228
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: just saying, though it happened. The point is, well, happened.

1229
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: I just I've been practicing receiver since you're fourteen years old,

1230
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, you suck at it. Do this. Yeah,

1231
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: that's something. Hey, Richard Sherman, he was a wide receiver

1232
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: most of his career and then it wasn't. The combine

1233
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: was his last year at Stanford. Moves the corner. But

1234
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, still for some of these guys, it doesn't

1235
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: take that hard. You know, dig up a few past

1236
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: examples to understand making the switch could be in your

1237
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: best interest long term. Before we get out of here,

1238
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: I know we have a couple of minutes ago before

1239
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: we get out of here. Who is the guy you

1240
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: have is a chance to have it? Could be the

1241
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: biggest gainer in this whole thing, to make the biggest

1242
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: gain any position, any position. I think it's Adam Shheen.

1243
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: You know we talked. I think he has the most

1244
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: to gain or lose, just because he's coming from that

1245
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: Division two level. He has to come in and perform

1246
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: really well because that's how he looks on tape. But again,

1247
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: that division two thing can make him look maybe a

1248
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: little bit better than he is. How does he do

1249
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: against the big boys when he's going you know, right

1250
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: after some of these other tight ends who have been

1251
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: playing at the FBS level and guys like go j

1252
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: Howard and Joe Kup and so I think he has

1253
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: a lot to gain, but potentially some of the you know,

1254
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: buzz will wear off if he doesn't look as good here. Yeah,

1255
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I tell you what. I think it'll be really interesting

1256
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: as well what happens with these defensive ends. You know,

1257
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: a guy like Thomas and Barnett, mcdel hairs. I mean

1258
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: there's a clump of them, you know who of that group?

1259
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: Who which Which guy out of all that gaggle of

1260
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: guys that we've seen so far, could just elevate himself,

1261
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: go from the combine, go to workouts. And now the

1262
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: draft stock is huge and well, I mean I don't

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Speaker 1: care about that because I'm thinking about where the cowboys right.

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Speaker 1: But gaggle is a great word. We've been talking about

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Speaker 1: like eight guys for a month and a half, and

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Speaker 1: by the end of this week, the pecking order is

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Speaker 1: gonna start to sort itself out and we can kind

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Speaker 1: of hope get solid Psalmon. Thomas is looking to go up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a top he's a top twelve guy

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Speaker 1: and looking to go up. So okay, that's all the time.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me a second here, made it all the way through,

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Speaker 1: made it all the way to the fifty nine minute marks.

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Speaker 1: Wow about that. Sorry, no cough buttons, Yeah, no call buttons.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna sound terrible. He was I gonna do this? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to just do it for you?

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Speaker 1: Why don't you take us out? David, Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: today one of our NFL Combined Draft Show coverage. We

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Speaker 1: will be back every day until Saturday. Until Saturday, I'm

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Speaker 1: David Hellman. That was Brian broad Up, that's for the

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Speaker 1: coughing Fit and Dane Brugler. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for watching, See you next time.