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Speaker 2: Welcome to k That here, a podcast increasingly ruled by
Speaker 2: an absolutely unhinged and unrestrained band of Nazis, and apparently
Speaker 2: they're democratic collaborators. I am your host, Mia Wong with
Speaker 2: Vus James Stout.
Speaker 3: I'm Miya's collaborator today.
Speaker 2: Yay, this is a collaborator. Good. We are talking today
Speaker 2: about collaborator bad.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: On Friday, Senator Chuck Schumer and his allies, in an
Speaker 2: act of democratic collaboration with the regime that looks even
Speaker 2: more hideous now than it did then, in the wake
Speaker 2: of a series of absolutely horrific deportations in the last
Speaker 2: few days, voted for basically a continuing funding resolution. So
Speaker 2: this is this is a little bit complicated, but I
Speaker 2: believe in US we can get through a little tiny
Speaker 2: bit of Senate bullshit. So basically what's happening is that
Speaker 2: they need a resolution to keep funding the government for
Speaker 2: a little bit until more negotiations can happen to fund
Speaker 2: a budget. There has been a budget. Basically, like we
Speaker 2: keep seeing this over and over again. They're keep being
Speaker 2: continuing funding resolutions, they keep almost being government shutdowns because
Speaker 2: if there's not a continuing funding resolution, and there's no budget.
Speaker 2: The government doesn't have any money. What happened here was that,
Speaker 2: So in the Senate you can filibuster this and a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of Senators Schumer and others who we will
Speaker 2: be reading out later after we talk about what this
Speaker 2: resolution actually did, because it's unhinged. So you've probably been hearing.
Speaker 2: If you've been hearing about this, you've been hearing you
Speaker 2: called a culture vote. So what that is is basically
Speaker 2: the absolute shortest version of it is, it's a vote
Speaker 2: to kill a philibuster on the bill. You filibuster by
Speaker 2: continuing debate. Culture ends debate, centria, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So this resolution is staggeringly unhinged. It is not a
Speaker 2: very long funding continuation. It includes thirteen billion dollars and
Speaker 2: cuts a non military spending and also six billion dollars
Speaker 2: in military spending cuts. There are a lot of things
Speaker 2: that have been sort of defunded by this, including like
Speaker 2: a lot of like housing and urban development stuff, so
Speaker 2: research ship, you know, And that's obviously really bad because
Speaker 2: normally with these resolutions you're just sort of like continuing
Speaker 2: the funding, right, but this is not a normal continuing resolution.
Speaker 2: This is it is over It is very, very over
Speaker 2: dramatic to do the thing that a lot of people
Speaker 2: have been doing, which is comparing it to the enabling
Speaker 2: acts that the Nazis passed.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's not.
Speaker 2: But but Comma, this is a completely unhinged continuing resolution.
Speaker 2: There has never been a continuing resolution like this ever,
Speaker 2: and it is Jenny Winley. It is another step down
Speaker 2: the path of effectively having Trump running the government as
Speaker 2: a dictator by sort of pure fiat. And Okay, you
Speaker 2: usually say this and you think this is an exaggeration,
Speaker 2: but what this Continuing Resolution actually does is normally in
Speaker 2: one of these resolutions, Congress tells you, executive how parts
Speaker 2: of the budget are supposed to be sent right, it
Speaker 2: does allocations. It'll be like, okay, so there's this money
Speaker 2: for this thing, and it goes to this purpose and
Speaker 2: you have to spend it here. This Continuing Resolution just
Speaker 2: like doesn't do that. Yeah, And the goal of it
Speaker 2: is just to let Trump do whatever the fuck he
Speaker 2: wants with the money by not actually giving out Congressional
Speaker 2: things to specifically allocated. So this is more of a
Speaker 2: thing we've been seeing more and more, which is Congress
Speaker 2: specifically like delegating and abandoning its constitutional power to be
Speaker 2: the people who set the budget and just heading it
Speaker 2: over to the executive so there can be a single
Speaker 2: unitary executive that runs the entire governments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you combine it with the open
Speaker 3: defiance of the court. So you saw this weekend with deportation, right, like,
Speaker 3: it's not a good not a good outlook actually, like
Speaker 3: it is in terms of the old separation of powers,
Speaker 3: which is you know, supposed to be a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you could you could argue about whether
Speaker 2: the American Revolution was about the king being able to
Speaker 2: set taxes because that was technically a thing controlled by
Speaker 2: the British Parliament. But like it is, for example, the
Speaker 2: issue that like the Revolution of seventeen eighty nine was
Speaker 2: fought over, right like like that that there shouldn't be
Speaker 2: a single unitary executive who gets to fucking set the budget.
Speaker 3: It's fundamentally I don't want to say unconstitutional, because I
Speaker 3: guess I don't get to decide what is unconstitutional and
Speaker 3: to the extent that it matters, fucking.
Speaker 2: Fuck if we get well, it doesn't matter. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it is like obviously hideously unconstitutional.
Speaker 3: It's entirely against the basic principles of the constitution, right,
Speaker 3: like the sene Kwan none of the US Constitution, to
Speaker 3: use a fancy word, is separation of powers. Is It's
Speaker 3: not like the kind of the point of a thing
Speaker 3: is to not just have one older dude in charge
Speaker 3: like like that That is the English way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this is the fundamental like principles
Speaker 2: upon which the liberal notion of democracy is based. And
Speaker 2: I use liberal in like the seventeen yes early eighteen
Speaker 2: hundred cents of the word liber right, which is that,
Speaker 2: like you believe in democracy. This bill effectively just allows
Speaker 2: Trump to fund and defund programs at will. I mean
Speaker 2: there's you know, there are there are specific things like
Speaker 2: boundaries in which she can't and can't do this. But
Speaker 2: I'm going to read some stuff from Senator Patty Murray,
Speaker 2: who is the vice chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee,
Speaker 2: which is the committee that handles like where money goes
Speaker 2: in the budget. Right, it's much appropriations, et cetera. So she,
Speaker 2: you know, is one of the senators who sort of
Speaker 2: understands its intimately. She wrote a fact sheet about this,
Speaker 2: which is fucking terrifying. I'm just going to quote from
Speaker 2: that because good God. Quote. Under this continuing resolution, the
Speaker 2: Trump administration could, for example, decide not to suspend funding
Speaker 2: previously allocated for Combating Fence and all the Support Act
Speaker 2: and other Substance abuse and mental health care programs, or
Speaker 2: specific NIAH priorities like Alzheimer's disease and vaccine research, and
Speaker 2: instead steer funding to other priorities if it's choosing. It
Speaker 2: could also pick and choose which military reconstruction, Army Corps,
Speaker 2: or transit improvement and expansion projects to withdraw funding without
Speaker 2: direction from Congress, leaving democratic states and priorities in the lurch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that is like, that's not great, Like even
Speaker 3: like I don't think people realize how much damage is
Speaker 3: could do and it like yeah, yeah, they have a
Speaker 3: year of just randomly slashing fit. Not only is it
Speaker 3: the programs who are affected, right, things that are cut,
Speaker 3: the certainty that contractors will get paid, the certainty that
Speaker 3: if you have a contract with the government it is
Speaker 3: a reliable thing, Like that will have devastating economic consequences
Speaker 3: if they just start randomly yoinking contracts and not paying
Speaker 3: people as they did with the USAID suppliers.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so like there is also a bunch of
Speaker 2: funding cuts for things like the Army Corps of Engineers,
Speaker 2: and like, there are a lot of valid criticisms you
Speaker 2: can have about the Army Corps of Engineers, and for example,
Speaker 2: the way it like has structurally fucked the entire city
Speaker 2: of New Orleans. But the thing is not giving them
Speaker 2: money to do hurricane prevention is not gonna help that.
Speaker 2: And the thing about this, right, because this resolution has
Speaker 2: thirteen billion indirect budget cuts and then it also allows
Speaker 2: Trump to do more cuts on top of it by
Speaker 2: doing by doing these funding allocation things, right, So it's
Speaker 2: it's like it's it's a fucking like double Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a sort of double set of cuts here. And this
Speaker 2: includes you know, he can he can relegate money away
Speaker 2: from the FAA. One of the most absolutely terrifying ones
Speaker 2: is that this continuing Resolution allows RFK Junior to eliminate
Speaker 2: funding for the universal flu vaccine. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was talking to someone in a medical profession about this,
Speaker 3: Like there's a serious chance that is won't be h
Speaker 3: one developed in the US for next year and it
Speaker 3: will just use the European one. Great stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, this is really the substantive problem with this
Speaker 2: entire thing and why it is genuinely an act of
Speaker 2: like an act an act of collaboration worthy Avichy France
Speaker 2: to fucking pass this, to pass this fucking bill. Is
Speaker 2: that again, you are handing control of the budgets, right,
Speaker 2: You're handing direct control of just like how budget allocation
Speaker 2: stuff gets fucking dealt with to like Elon Musk, Trump
Speaker 2: and RFK Junior, and they can just fucking do this
Speaker 2: shit with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've already seen some of this, like manipulation of
Speaker 3: federal government funding, like with with Columbia University.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, good exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So other things. It defunds FEMA's Disaster Relief Fund,
Speaker 2: which is bad because a bunch of funding with FEMA
Speaker 2: Disaster Relief Fund has been get this exhausted because there
Speaker 2: were a bunch of fucking disasters. Guess what, there's going
Speaker 2: to be more of disasters. Guess what, There's not going
Speaker 2: to be money in ease the FEMA Disaster Relief Fund.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's bad. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. We have not fucking hit the
Speaker 2: worst part of this continuing resolution yet, like all of that, right,
Speaker 2: like the monopolization of power in the hands of the executive,
Speaker 2: you know, like the potentiality funding of the flu vaccine.
Speaker 2: We have not hit rock body yet. Bottom is this
Speaker 2: getting resolution quote slashes one hundred and eighty five million
Speaker 2: dollars seven percent of the total program from defense nuclear
Speaker 2: non proliferation programs, including the programs to prevent terrorists from
Speaker 2: acquiring nuclear and radioactive material, remove radioactive materials at risk
Speaker 2: of being misused or causing a catastrophic accident and a
Speaker 2: tur and monitor foreign nuclear fuel cycle in weapons developments,
Speaker 2: nuclear materials movement or diversions, and nuclear explosions. Cool. So
Speaker 2: we are defunding the nuke police again for a third time.
Speaker 2: And this one looks like it's actually gonna fucking stick
Speaker 2: because I don't think any of these fucking people actually
Speaker 2: understand what the defense nuclear non proliferation programs do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't know, because they will on
Speaker 3: one about Iran and enriching uranium for years. Have they
Speaker 3: have they just give? Have they moved on? Well?
Speaker 2: Like this as as we're going to see in a second,
Speaker 2: this budget is being written by just fucking clowns, like
Speaker 2: just absolute dipshits. Don't I don't know who the fuck
Speaker 2: is doing this.
Speaker 3: That's what I sometimes wonder is, like, who comes up
Speaker 3: with these numbers?
Speaker 2: Like it's like a staffers, it's literally an army of staffords. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the senators re voting for these bills most often have
Speaker 2: no idea what the fuck is in them. It's all
Speaker 2: run by an army of staffers. And the thing about
Speaker 2: it all being run by an army of staffers, and
Speaker 2: the fact that Republican staffers are increasingly drawn from a
Speaker 2: class of like genuinely the most unhinged people who have
Speaker 2: ever lived, this class of fucking internet gropers and fucking
Speaker 2: white nationalist bullshit, means that one of the parts of
Speaker 2: this I think people have heard about is the one
Speaker 2: billion dollars in spending that was cut just from like
Speaker 2: the city budget of Washington, DC. Now, looking at what's
Speaker 2: happened next, I genuinely think they did this by accidents.
Speaker 2: That's been the explanation that's been given is that they
Speaker 2: literally did it by accidents. And the reason I think
Speaker 2: it might actually be true, it's it's either it's either
Speaker 2: actually true or they saw the pushback. But immediately after
Speaker 2: this bill got passed, there was like a separate bill
Speaker 2: that was drafted to restore the funding, and that was
Speaker 2: approvinguanimously by the second so it might legitimately have been
Speaker 2: a mistake. So it was either legitimately a mistake or
Speaker 2: all of these people realized that the entire population of
Speaker 2: DC was about to like fucking march on the capital
Speaker 2: of Pitchforks. So I don't know one of those two things.
Speaker 2: So we're not talking much about the DC stuff because
Speaker 2: it seems like the funding is going to come back,
Speaker 2: though if it doesn't well cover the catastrophic impacts of that.
Speaker 2: And there's one more thing, James, which I couldn't find
Speaker 2: details of, but one of the things it's supposed to
Speaker 2: do is eliminate protections for people an immigration court. Fantastic,
Speaker 2: great allowed the Attorney general more power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just looking this up. Actually, Like, let
Speaker 3: me there was an office founded under Biden that was
Speaker 3: the Office of the Obficely Immigration Detents from Ombudsman, which
Speaker 3: was like supposedly to exist to like examine people's conditions
Speaker 3: in immigration detention, right, And I'm wondering to what extent
Speaker 3: it still exists. Yeah, Like I don't know. I was
Speaker 3: just trying to find that out, I would have to
Speaker 3: go through the risk, and maybe I will at some point.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there is stuff that the federal government does
Speaker 3: right now that provides people with some protections in immigration courts, right,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I can see, I mean look to the
Speaker 3: extent that that matters, because they're just deporting people in
Speaker 3: open violation of court orders right now, we don't know.
Speaker 3: But it's still bad either way, right, taking away the
Speaker 3: very few protections that might have. Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So speaking of bad things, we're going to go
Speaker 2: to ads and then we're going.
Speaker 3: To come back.
Speaker 1: We are back.
Speaker 2: So, having said all of this about this bill, fully,
Speaker 2: ten Democratic senators voted to avoid shutting down the government
Speaker 2: and fucking past this unbelievably hideous resolution which again like
Speaker 2: defunds the nuke police. Again, they are risking like global
Speaker 2: annihilation by doing this. And I'm just going to read
Speaker 2: out the names of everyone who did this, because there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of focus on Chuck Schumer, and Chuck
Speaker 2: Schumer is to like probably the primary person responsible for this,
Speaker 2: but fuck every single one of these people.
Speaker 3: And he's a quizzling in this scenario, like the Capitol
Speaker 3: Q quisling.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, so Chuck Schumer, Catherine Cortes, mosto Dick Durbin,
Speaker 2: which is actually a surprising one because Durbin suburban's about
Speaker 2: to retire. He he was my old senator in Illinois.
Speaker 2: I actually know he wasn't wow a complicated I actually
Speaker 2: fucking don't remember the which one of them I had. Uh,
Speaker 2: But Durbin is, you know, he's like senior party leadership guy.
Speaker 2: He's usually been in like the kind of left I
Speaker 2: guess of the like old Democratic leadership yea, which is
Speaker 2: not very far left. But he fucking voted for this.
Speaker 2: John Fetterman, to the surprise of absolutely no one, Kirsten Gillibrand,
Speaker 2: to the surprise of absolutely no one. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 2: his song. Agnes King, Gary Peters, Brian Shatz, and Janine
Speaker 2: Shaheen now notably missing from that list. Tim fucking Kine
Speaker 2: voted against this. Do you know how bad a Republican
Speaker 2: budget thing has to be for Tim fucking kin to
Speaker 2: vote against it and be like, hey, guys, what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And the thing is like, as a Democrat, the move,
Speaker 3: just if you want to get reelected is to vote
Speaker 3: against it and then blame them for everything bad that
Speaker 3: happens this year because of the budget thing, right, if
Speaker 3: you have no moral backbone whatsoever. And I'm sure like
Speaker 3: that there are things in this continuing Resolution which really
Speaker 3: screw over rural areas, right, like some of the funding
Speaker 3: that was allocated. Oh yeah, And like Cain is at least,
Speaker 3: I guess astute enough to see that when things get
Speaker 3: harder of his constituents, he can go, yes, they did this,
Speaker 3: and I voted against it, and you need to return
Speaker 3: me to office so I can continue opposing this shit,
Speaker 3: which is a very cynical approach.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, we've just got Chuck Chuck Humor who
Speaker 3: just kind of bowed down and kissed their ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, the response to this is staggering.
Speaker 2: I genuinely I have never seen anything like the kind
Speaker 2: of anger I'm seeing it. I I've seen that Schuber for
Speaker 2: the past few days. This has happened Friday. Like Indivisible,
Speaker 2: which is like a pretty so Indivisible is like a
Speaker 2: sort of NGO thing that that's like a like tries
Speaker 2: to get's like a sort of vaguely progressive thing and
Speaker 2: tries to get people to vote for the Democrats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like register voters and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they've been getting into fights with the Democratic
Speaker 2: leadership because they keep telling people to call their senators
Speaker 2: to tell them to oppose bills and or nominations. The
Speaker 2: Democrats are like, we don't want to oppose bills.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, in mobilizing the vote in territory, for instance,
Speaker 3: like an indivisible to Hana played a really important role,
Speaker 3: So like they're not negligible in their power.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, and like they are calling for primary Chuck Schubert. Yeah,
Speaker 2: our slash neoliberal is calling for AOC the primary Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 2: Do you know how fucked things have to be.
Speaker 4: For ar slash neoliberal to be backing AOC against Chuck Schumer?
Speaker 4: Like fucking near a tandin is Agrey with Bertie Sanders.
Speaker 2: Criticizing Schumer for voting for this bill, Like this is.
Speaker 5: Like, I I don't know, I think there maybe there
Speaker 5: are probably are people in the audience here who's like
Speaker 5: weren't paying attention enough or like don't remember, or like
Speaker 5: weren't old enough to be around for like like the
Speaker 5: Bernie Wars.
Speaker 2: But this is like every faction on every side of
Speaker 2: like the whole series of fights from like twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: and like Bernie's first thing through twenty twenty, even like
Speaker 2: the mid late twenty twenties, Like all of these people
Speaker 2: were on exactly polar opposite side. They fucking hated each other,
Speaker 2: and they're all like coming together specifically to agree on
Speaker 2: a fuck Chuck Schumer camping to the point where like
Speaker 2: again like ar Slas neoliberal and like Nearer Tangent who
Speaker 2: are like have been just absolute stalwarts the part right
Speaker 2: for ages are like are backing AOC primary ing Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a total cultural victory for the Bernie bros.
Speaker 3: Is what's happening. It's a Democratic party.
Speaker 2: Well, and again the Chuck Schubber is the head of
Speaker 2: the Democratic Caucus in the Senate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, minority leader of the United States Senate.
Speaker 2: Yeah he is, you know, he is unbeliefably powerful, and
Speaker 2: I mean, like the people criticizing him. He got criticized.
Speaker 2: There was a joint statement on funding bill in the
Speaker 2: Senate from the Democratic minority leader in the fucking House,
Speaker 2: Hakim Jeffries, and the Democratic whip Kathleen Clark, and the
Speaker 2: caucus chair Peri Agular and like Hawkim Jeffries is as
Speaker 2: ferociously anti socialist of a politician as there exists in
Speaker 2: all of Congress. He is like implacably hostile to even
Speaker 2: like the most like barest progressive things whatsoever. He is
Speaker 2: just staggeringly opposed to. And they released a joint statement
Speaker 2: against this. Right a sort of happening here, and it's
Speaker 2: happening fucking too late to stop anything. But what's happening
Speaker 2: here is like we are genuinely starting to get a
Speaker 2: kind of and and I'm seeing this sort of online.
Speaker 2: We've been I think we've been seeing the sort of
Speaker 2: echoes of it is like, but there's a kind of
Speaker 2: realignment happening among you know, obviously this has been being
Speaker 2: opposed by people outside the Democratic Party and by a
Speaker 2: lot of the Democratic Party's base for ages right and
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party's base, and also just like people who
Speaker 2: don't want to get be ruled by fascist forever have had,
Speaker 2: you know, incredibly staunch opposition to all of the collaborationist
Speaker 2: investment happening. But what's happening right now is that like
Speaker 2: the actual like inside of the Democratic Party, there was
Speaker 2: a fucking rupture happening. And inside of the people who
Speaker 2: are like, you know, like inside of the politic coast,
Speaker 2: there was a rupture happening between people who are collaborationists
Speaker 2: and people who'd like want to be less collaborationist. And
Speaker 2: this is to the point where like Nancy Pelosi came
Speaker 2: out against this. Yeah, And the reason they're doing this
Speaker 2: is because a lot of these people are fucking terrified
Speaker 2: because they are looking at a couple of things. One,
Speaker 2: they're looking at what the Trump gistration is doing, and
Speaker 2: they're going, holy shit, Like near A Tandon is looking
Speaker 2: at them fucking just black bagging, just like just fucking
Speaker 2: black bagging Mamu Khalil and is going like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: we are maybe about I mean, it's maybe eight steps
Speaker 2: away from that happening to be, but that's eight steps
Speaker 2: that you can fucking like, that's a path you can
Speaker 2: walk down. And this is also these people that are
Speaker 2: realizing just the unbelievable anger among just like regular what
Speaker 2: you would call sort of like regular liberals who aren't like,
Speaker 2: like you vote for the Democrats, but if you aren't, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not like on Twitter with a blue wave emotion.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, even the people on Twitter with
Speaker 2: a blue wave emoji and again, like the rich last
Speaker 2: neoliberal people are like the most ideologically committed of all
Speaker 2: of these people, right, Like even the most unhinged nerds
Speaker 2: who are like obsessed with like individual house races and
Speaker 2: like very very specific, weird technical policy stuff that allows
Speaker 2: them to justify supporting all these unhinged policies, even those
Speaker 2: people are learning on them. And the reason this is
Speaker 2: all happening, and I think this is a very very
Speaker 2: important thing to understand about the entire political landscape going forward,
Speaker 2: is that one of the core, an extremely important basis
Speaker 2: of Donald Trump's support is in the leadership of the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party, particularly the Democratic Party in New York, Right Schumer,
Speaker 2: this is Eric Adams. This is also increasingly becoming true
Speaker 2: of people like Gavin Newsom and a lot of the
Speaker 2: sort of Democrats out of the Bay to some extent,
Speaker 2: and you know, and you can you can see this
Speaker 2: is sort of various border states too, where you know,
Speaker 2: these people fundamentally are doing this because they fucking agree
Speaker 2: with him. That's why why, that's why they're fucking collaborating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or at the very least, like and perhaps it's
Speaker 3: in a sense worse that they don't agree with him,
Speaker 3: but they don't care enough to not like they're doing
Speaker 3: it because they think they can personally benefit.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's true. And my evidence for
Speaker 2: why I don't think that's true is I'm going to
Speaker 2: read some stuff from the New York Times interview that
Speaker 2: David Chuck Schumer right after he did this. Okay, So
Speaker 2: in this interview with the New York Times, he gets
Speaker 2: asked about Trump cutting four hundred million dollars of funding
Speaker 2: for Columbia University for I guess not like publicly executing
Speaker 2: the Palestine protesters. And again, yeah, Columbia University. That is
Speaker 2: an institution that he represents in the Senate, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like that's like his that's like his fucking thing. And
Speaker 2: his response was, well, obviously they didn't crush the campus
Speaker 2: protest hard enough, but cutting four hundred million dollars spending
Speaker 2: might hurt students who didn't protest, like maybe, And he's
Speaker 2: not even clear about that, right, So if you read
Speaker 2: between the lines of what he's saying, his arguments is
Speaker 2: that it's actually fine for Trump to do all of
Speaker 2: these fucking budget cuts of all of these people from
Speaker 2: these universities as long as it's specifically targeting pro Palestinian protesters,
Speaker 2: which is ednyone who's vaguely pro Palestign And he also
Speaker 2: gets you know, he gets asked about the Trump administration
Speaker 2: just straight a black bagging about mu Khalil, and he says, quote,
Speaker 2: I don't know all the details yet. They're trying to
Speaker 2: come out and there'll be a court case which will
Speaker 2: determine it. If he broke the law, he should be deported.
Speaker 2: If he didn't break the law on which and just
Speaker 2: peacefully protested, he should not be deported. It's plain and simple.
Speaker 3: I mean, how is it hard to not make an
Speaker 3: a quivocating statement on that.
Speaker 2: No, because he agrees with it. He thinks it's fine.
Speaker 2: He thinks it's fine. The Trump administration fucking black bagged
Speaker 2: this guy, like again, who is who it was? A
Speaker 2: permanent US resident. He thinks that it is okay. That
Speaker 2: here's the thing, he's not even disagreeing with the actual
Speaker 2: literal black bagging. And I want to point this out,
Speaker 2: like even if Amu Khalil like legally committed a crime,
Speaker 2: like that's not a fucking deportation thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the section of the United States they're using to
Speaker 3: justify deporting him is not one that has been used before.
Speaker 3: This is not he did not do a felony, and
Speaker 3: they're not suggesting that he did do a fellas And
Speaker 3: like if Schuma can't find it in himself to condemn that,
Speaker 3: like yeah, like folks need to move on because.
Speaker 2: He because he agrees with it. Like that's the thing, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what he is saying here is that he agrees that
Speaker 2: if a permanent legal US resident commits any crime.
Speaker 3: Well doesn't though he's not an accused, he's not accused
Speaker 3: of a crime, like he's he no, no, that's that's no.
Speaker 3: But this is specifically what Humor says. Schumer said, quote,
Speaker 3: if he broke the law, he should be deported. What
Speaker 3: his stance is is that if someone who is a
Speaker 3: permanent US resident breaks the law while at a palaestimee protest,
Speaker 3: even if it is a misdemeanor, even if it is
Speaker 3: fucking jaywalking.
Speaker 2: That they should be deported. That is the Trump administration line.
Speaker 2: Like that is it is slightly less than Trump administration line,
Speaker 2: but that is that is a genuinely fascist political line.
Speaker 2: She just straight up agrees with the administration. He is
Speaker 2: a slight matter of degree like off from them, but
Speaker 2: like he's he just like he's collaborating because he fucking
Speaker 2: agrees with them, and he agrees with them both on
Speaker 2: on the fact that the state should be used to
Speaker 2: destroy anyone who supports Palestine, and she agrees with them
Speaker 2: on the fucking deportation ship. Because you know, this was
Speaker 2: one of the other things that Democrats have fundamentally aligned
Speaker 2: with Trump on since twenty twenty is that fundamentally, like
Speaker 2: they agree that we need more immigration controls and we
Speaker 2: need to do more border violence. You can see the
Speaker 2: evidence of this from when they fucking passed that just
Speaker 2: unhinged fascist bill to do allow border state of emergencies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's stuff that they proposed and didn't pass
Speaker 3: because they were Republican twenty to kill it and then
Speaker 3: Biden executive order banning asylum. Like I think what it
Speaker 3: comes down to is that for the Democrats, the existence
Speaker 3: of people who oppose the genocide in Palestine and the
Speaker 3: existence of migrants is seen as inconvenient, and they're prepared
Speaker 3: to do away with any rights so as people might
Speaker 3: have and even do away with those people rather than
Speaker 3: engage with them in any way. Right, they I'm sure
Speaker 3: people like Schuma continue to blame people from both of
Speaker 3: those move moments for their ass whooping that they took
Speaker 3: at the polls in twenty twenty four because they decided
Speaker 3: that it was more important to do genocide than it
Speaker 3: was to listen to those in this country and rather
Speaker 3: than listening now they're blaming them. And the only logical
Speaker 3: way for them to go is right, and the only
Speaker 3: logical place for them to take it is more state violence. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But there's another aspect of this too, which the
Speaker 2: thing I want to close on, which is okay, So,
Speaker 2: why have the Democrats been shifting so far to the
Speaker 2: right since twenty twenty right and s particularly since after
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two when they needed to sort of win
Speaker 2: it contest NAT for election. And the answer is that
Speaker 2: after twenty twenty, all of their politics became about opposing
Speaker 2: the uprising because they you know, there was a period
Speaker 2: dream the uprising where they were scared enough that like
Speaker 2: you get like the cant cloth shit, and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, and they're talking about like and Biden like
Speaker 2: runs on a significantly more left wing platform than like
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris did, right, Yeah, because of the particularly because
Speaker 2: of the pressure of those protons. Now, obviously, like presidential
Speaker 2: platforms just lies, right but.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it's just as you need to tell to
Speaker 3: get the votes.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. But on the other hand, the fundamental politics
Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party in the last half a decade
Speaker 2: has been opposed to the uprising. It's the thing that's,
Speaker 2: you know, behind all of their turn to tough on
Speaker 2: crime politics. It's the thing behind their their sort of
Speaker 2: anti immigrant politics, the thing behind the turns they've been
Speaker 2: taking on trans politics. And the problem with this particularly
Speaker 2: like the anti black, anti crime shit and the anti
Speaker 2: immigrant stuff you know who else. His entire politics like
Speaker 2: came into the fucking political sphere as the right wing
Speaker 2: reaction to the uprising. Oh wait, Donald Trump. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: walked down the fucking escalator in twenty fifteen, immediately in
Speaker 2: the wake of the giant uprisings in Baltimore in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: which I think people have sort of memory holds, like
Speaker 2: Ferguson and Baltimore. He like, it's like right after Baltimore
Speaker 2: that Trump fucking comes down the escalator and people forget
Speaker 2: how fundamentally the right wing reaction to those protests deranged
Speaker 2: people who even the Tea Party hadn't pushed like far
Speaker 2: enough to for Donald Trump. It was like it was
Speaker 2: a reaction to this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when we saw the oath Keepers for the
Speaker 3: first time as well. Like this kind of militant right
Speaker 3: really grew dramatically in response to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is the sort of fundamental thing that's
Speaker 2: going on, is that there's now an entire class of
Speaker 2: people who are running the Democratic Party, right. This is
Speaker 2: this is a fucking Chuck Schumer. He is, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: quite possibly the most powerful Democrat in the country, and
Speaker 2: he is just straight up a collaborationist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might legit become that like AOC is more
Speaker 3: powerful than Chuck Schumer in the next few weeks, you know,
Speaker 3: he is that the reaction against Chuck Schumer from establishment
Speaker 3: Democrats is stronger than anything I've ever seen from them.
Speaker 2: He lost Seth Moulton, which I didn't even think was possible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think there's there's one more important note to
Speaker 2: sort of say, shure, which is that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the response to this that I've largely been seeing is
Speaker 2: everyone going, Okay, we need a primary to these people. Okay,
Speaker 2: are you looking at the rate at which stuff is
Speaker 2: happening in this country, Like, you do you think that
Speaker 2: we are going to be able to wait until the
Speaker 2: fucking primaries?
Speaker 3: Yeah, six years the cases, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, until we can like attempt to fucking do shit here,
Speaker 2: Like absolutely not. No, they were like there literally is
Speaker 2: regardless of what you think about electoralism as a strategy,
Speaker 2: there is literally not time to wait until the next
Speaker 2: election cycle. Like again, they have defunded the nuke police
Speaker 2: for the third time. So the opposition to this isn't
Speaker 2: going to come from inside of the electoral system because again,
Speaker 2: the demercrats are being run by collaborators and there's not
Speaker 2: enough time to fucking oust them. So if you if
Speaker 2: you want this to not continue, you were going to
Speaker 2: You're going to have to find ways to do organizing
Speaker 2: outside of that system. We have approximately one million episodes
Speaker 2: about this. You can also go back to my you
Speaker 2: already know how to organize episode.
Speaker 3: But yeah, look, call your centator if you want to.
Speaker 3: But if that's the net total of your political activity,
Speaker 3: then like right now, it's probably not going to make
Speaker 3: a difference in time, and really consider it. It's the
Speaker 3: most useful use of your time. Yeah, and maybe make
Speaker 3: some beans or sow something nicer one instead. Oh as well,
Speaker 3: you could listen to it while you sew something nice.
Speaker 3: You could call them while you're cooking your beans.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, well this has been It could happen here? Yeah,
Speaker 2: down with the collaborationists, Yeah, fuck.
Speaker 3: Them, Yeah, absolutely fucking choke in particular, It.
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