1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame, will would truly be the high 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: speed of little arner I can have as a as 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: a football player. Welcome to a celebration of Jacksonville Jaguars 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: left tackle Tony Vasselli's induction in the National Football League 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. What makes it even more special for 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: me is I want to represent this organization and this 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: fan base because I know it's important to them as well. 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: For them to care that much means a tonue to me. 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: Join Jaguars dot Com senior writer John Hosier as he 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: sits down with the people who know Tony both professionally 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: and personally. CBS Sports senior writer Pete Frisco. Pete and 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: I covered the Jaguars together from the reason that's pertinent, 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: that spans pretty much all of Tony Baselli's career, and uh, 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Tony and Pete particularly have a relationship that goes back 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: twenty three years now, which is unbelievable to me to 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: say it's been that long. Uh, Pete, First of all, welcome, 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you doing this as always. Has it 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: really been that long? It's been longer than that. Actually, Yeah, 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: it's a well, and it started off I mean, uh, 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: for fans who don't know, uh, Pete, the first store, 21 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, Pete, and I know it well, 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: but I love hearing you tell it. Before anybody in 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: Jacksonville knew who Tony Boselli was outside a few college 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: football fans. Uh, you've figured out they were drafting him. 25 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: And there's a story that goes where the Jaguars. I 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: think we could reveal it after twenty seven years. Now 27 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: got you the tape to watch Tony and so the 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: the t you could kind of prep fans for who 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: this guy was because it wasn't necessarily gonna be a 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: popular pick. This was not a quarterback. This was an 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. It was an often not off the wall 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: football people got it. But take me through that story, Pete. Well, 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: was you know Tom Coughlin wanted to take Tony Boselli 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: and it wasn't, like you mentioned, it was not going 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: to be a sexy pick. I mean, it just wasn't. 36 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: It's a left tackle, and we know the value of 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: the position, but when you're building a franchise, everybody takes quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: And so Coughlin got me a VHS tape and I 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: had that for a long time. I don't know what 40 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: I did with it, but it was a VHS tape. 41 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: That's how logo was of Tony against Baylor, and Baylor 42 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: had Scotty Lewis. It's relative because he was a good player, 43 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: and it was and he was and he was one 44 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: of those guys Tony just took to heart and dominated 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: I wrote the story saying, look, it looks like they're 46 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: gonna pick this guy. This is why it makes sense 47 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: that that that that that, and you gotta get the 48 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: left tackle the quarterback. They you know, they they're gonna 49 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: get one some other way. And by that time they 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: had already gotten Burline right and and and uh and 51 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: then Brunel came in the trade, so Brie him in 52 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: the trade I think a couple of days before the draft, dude, 53 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: but it was still gonna be Berlin. So it's uh, 54 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: there's so many great stories that won't be able to 55 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: get to him all in this time. But for you, 56 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: pete Um, you've covered the legal long time we both have. 57 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: You've got to know a lot of players just from 58 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: a personal point of view, because a lot of Jaguars 59 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: fans know you and feel like they know the relationship 60 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: between you and Tony um for me. I know this 61 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: is a special time and you know as be the 62 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: last time we talked this possibly about Tony, but I 63 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: don't know that I'll cover another story quite like him. 64 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: I flew out to Colorado and he was a rookie. 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: I got to know his family, have seen the whole 66 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: process of him getting there. I now call him a friend. 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: I once called him an interview subject. How special is 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: this for you to see him in? It's really special? 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: And hey, because I really and like you, I consider 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: him a friend. I admire him as a guy, and 71 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: he's a good person and and as good a person 72 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: as a good of players he was. He was a 73 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: great player. He's a better person and I think that matters. 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he and you know I I joke around 75 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: when we do the Monday Show and I rip him 76 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: and tease him and everything else. And and that's all 77 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: part of getting to know him. And the relationship started 78 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: as writer and player, and you saw it. I mean, 79 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: and I had to work to develop a relationship with 80 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: him and ultimately did because he understood that I do 81 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: the work and he respected me and I respected him, 82 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: and he was Oh, and you know this John, he 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: was great. He could always go over to his locker 84 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: and pull him aside. There aren't a lot of guys 85 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: that were like this, and and you could pull him 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: aside and say, hey, what do you think about this guy? 87 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: That guy, this guy? And he tell you and he said, no, 88 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: he can play, he can't, he won't. He'll be a 89 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: problem for me. And I think that's why we formed 90 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: that relationship from a football standpoint, and it kind of 91 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: grew out of that. Now he had his moments where 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: he wasn't exactly warm and fuzzy at that locker and 93 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: pranks on me. And remember they played ranks and put 94 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: up to no pri and he played along with all 95 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: of it because he had to because they were a unit. 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: And and look, that was all part of the fund 97 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: for me. And it helped build the relationship with him. 98 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: And it was good because he was so close with 99 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: Mark Brunell. And and you know Mark Brunell early in 100 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: his in his career had an issue with me for 101 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: whatever reason, and he'd be the first to tell you, well, 102 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean he didn't he got out of the pocket 103 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: too soon. I still ripped guys for that. But as 104 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: that evolved, he saw my relationship with Tony kind of 105 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: come together. Mark kind of trusted me a little bit 106 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: more in that relationship grew. So um, I think you know, 107 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: Tony was as crazy as it sounds. As a rookie, 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: you noticed he was kind of the guy they looked 109 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: to in that longer room. He's a leader, he was 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: one of their guys. And so I think he kind 111 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: of led Brunelle, and Brunell became when he became, and 112 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: I think he led that whole locker room. And so 113 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of like our relationship how it started, uh, 114 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: and then it grew after he stopped playing book all 115 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: and and now we worked together on Monday nights, and 116 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: I love it. I mean, it's so much fun to 117 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: work with him, John, because you know this, he takes 118 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: it as much as he gives it. And that's the 119 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: sign of a guy who can hear, you know, like 120 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: I take it. I give it as much as anybody. 121 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: You know that, but I can take it like I 122 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: give an example, I was in Vegas for the draft, 123 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: and I'll tell this story I told you before, and 124 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm walking through the airport getting ready for my flight. 125 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: By the way, my red eye had been delayed twenty 126 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: four hours, so I wasn't exactly the warm and fuzzy guy. 127 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: And I look over, I see this mountain of a 128 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: man buying cookies at the cower. I got a specially, 129 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: so I wander over to him. I go, you better 130 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: not eat. Does you want to be in shape? That 131 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: all name? And he looked back and he goes ah, 132 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: And he had, by the way, he had about six 133 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: of them in that bag. Of course he didn't. He 134 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: finished him before the fight. Story. Yeah, why he's picking 135 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: up before he even turned around. He was. That's why 136 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: the relationship, and that's why the relationship is what it is. 137 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: And you know that you gave it to him to 138 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: he could take it, and that's the that's the he 139 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: takes it and it slides off him. He gives it 140 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: right back to you and slides off you. That tells 141 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: you you have a good relationship. So you said, I 142 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: think it's interesting, Uh too people, though not every NFL 143 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: player you cover, uh, in fact, striking a few of them. Frankly, 144 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: I love the game the way he did. You know, 145 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: I've always found maybe I had a sixty players in 146 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: a locker room, you might find five or six who 147 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: really watch it and really study it and really know 148 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: about other teams. Um, he was certainly that guy from 149 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: a very young age, maybe even even as a rookie 150 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: he came in. He loved it, man, I mean he uh. 151 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: And that's why I always thought, uh, and maybe this 152 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: is more of an a side. I was in Indie 153 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: when Tony had to stop playing, so I didn't really 154 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: get to know him again for about ten more years. 155 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: But I always thought that how cruel it was for 156 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: a guy who really loved the sport, even beyond finances, 157 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: which it certainly cost Tony Untold millions to have stopped playing. 158 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: But I've got to know him a little bit later. 159 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: It ripped him apart to not be able to be 160 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: on the field because it was so much of who 161 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: he was, and he loved it so much. He did. 162 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: He loved the game. And you mentioned, you know how 163 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: much he loved the game and how much he knew 164 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: the game, John, I mean you know, he he knew 165 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: the game. He knew other players and and other other 166 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: what they could do and what they couldn't do. And 167 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: I've told you this before because you worked with him 168 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: and you do him in Indy. Peyton Manning was the 169 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: best at that. I mean he he knew every player 170 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: in the league, it doesn't matter where he was, who 171 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: he was, and Tony was right there with him. And 172 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean Tony was fantastic. And he could talk about 173 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: guys on other teams and what they could do and 174 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: what why they would do this, and what they should do, 175 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: and talked about when he had to play against the 176 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: Blitzburg defense and what they needed to do. He always 177 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: offered perspective on the game because he knew the game, 178 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: and like you said, because he loved the game. And 179 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: and there aren't many guys like that. It's surprising to 180 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: a lot of fans to hear that, But that's not 181 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: the way it is. I mean there and and I 182 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: think as we get I'm gonna sound like old man 183 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: who walked eight miles through the snow to go to school. 184 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: But as we get through more and more past those times, 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: I think we're seeing less and less of that. There's 186 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: s those guys, don't geta be wrong. There's still a 187 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: lot of guys, but with social media being what it 188 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: is and everything else, I think their focus gets away 189 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: from it a little bit more. The you know, the 190 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: drive and desire to be great is still there. I'm 191 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: not ever gonna take that away from guys because I 192 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: think that's still there. But the the ability to talk 193 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: about other players on other teams and dissect the league, 194 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: that's kind of gone away, and Tony was one of 195 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: the best at it. There's such high point moments and 196 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: we were fortunate to be there for both them. We're 197 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: both there for Bruce Smith and I can remember looking 198 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: at each other in the second half and saying, he's 199 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: killing him and it was obvious. The Derek's the Derrick 200 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: Thomas game when he shut out Derrick Thomas a week 201 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: after Derek had seven sacks. Um, what else stands out 202 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: to you, Pete, I mean, any other games, any other 203 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: moments at as he was into the hall. I know 204 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: it's been a while, but we were fortunate to see 205 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: him all. Yeah. I think, you know, the the Jason 206 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: Taylor game stands out a little bit because he called 207 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: him out. Remember, come on, get some come and get 208 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: something that was that was not like him. I mean, 209 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: he was a feisty player, but to put that, you know, 210 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: out there because from that was a Monday night game 211 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: and he put it out there for everybody to see, 212 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: and I think that one stands out. Bruce Smith's the 213 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: game of games when you talk about it, I mean, 214 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: the guy was the defensive player of the year. He 215 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: could not be blocked that season. Tony couldn't sleep that week. 216 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: They were going to single him up in the first 217 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: player in the game. He threw him to the ground. 218 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: He said, okay, here I go. It's me and him 219 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: and I can handle him. And he did. He dominated him. Now, 220 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: Bruce Smith got a half a sack in that game 221 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: when he kind of sliced inside on the guard, but 222 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: Tony handled him in all the one on one situations. 223 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: He blocked him in the run game. And that's that's 224 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: another thing that was always unfair to Tony because dr 225 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: Z put that out there that Tony wasn't a good 226 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: run blocker. Remember that. It was It was garbage. It 227 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: was not true. He was a good run blocker. He 228 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: was a great past protector, one of the best I've 229 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: ever seen with my own two eyes, if not the best, 230 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: but he was a good run blocker two And for 231 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: for dr Z to put that out there at that time, 232 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: it kind of hurt him a little bit. It wasn't right. So, 233 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: but that game is the I mean, Bruce Smith just 234 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: got thrown around, you know, defensive player in the year. 235 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: He just dominated him from start to finish, and and 236 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: Tony wasn't sure if he could and one play in 237 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: he knew he could. And that's that tells you about 238 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: him as a player. It's incredibly rare too, you know, 239 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: for offensive lineman, Dave, I haven't have an opportunity like that. 240 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: I it was storybook and sort of to speak to 241 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: what you just said, Uh, I've already spoken to Leon 242 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: seriously for this series and he said the same thing 243 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: you did. Leon sort of pride him, prided himself rightfully 244 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: so and being a tough run blocking brawler. Uh. And 245 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: Leon said today, you know, Tony was the same way. 246 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Tony had the reputation because he was a 247 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: great pass blocker. Uh. Maybe people think of him as finesse. 248 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I never thought of him 249 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: that way, but maybe that's the perception. Tony Boselli was 250 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: not finesse, not at all, John, not one bit. I mean, 251 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: he just moved so effortlessly in past protection that they 252 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: kind of took that and ran with it. You know. 253 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you mentioned we talked about the 254 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: great games against you know, Bruce Smith, the great games 255 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: against the great game against Jason Tell or Derrick Thomas 256 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: when he had what he has seven sacks the two 257 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: weeks before, a week before that week before, and the 258 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: legendary story is Phil Sims tells the story. Looked at cauflan, 259 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: he said, how are you going to handle him in 260 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: the production meeting and Coughlin said, my guy, and he did. 261 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: He got nothing easily to member the wars too, And 262 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: Tony will be the first one to tell you about 263 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: the wars, the Mike McCreary wars. Those are legendary and 264 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: people don't remember those, and they should because Mike McCrary 265 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: was a great player. Doesn't never get the dow he 266 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: deserves it being the player he was for those Ravens defenses. 267 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: And Tony said, he's the toughest guy he ever blocked, 268 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Not Bruce Smith, not Derrick Thomas, Mike McCrary, who was 269 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: a tough, hard nosed, physical player. So those battles were 270 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: always tough, nasty, physical wars and and they were fun 271 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: to watch and look, McCreary probably got some off of Tony. 272 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: But McCreary was a good player. Tony was a great player, 273 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: and they both had that that tough nastiness about him. 274 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: I tell you he's striking. To me, I keep reading 275 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: these stats. Uh, I forget where it was that Tony 276 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 1: gave up X number of sacks eighteen sixteen seventy. I 277 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: don't remember that many. I mean he uh, it was 278 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: always striking. I know he gave up to to John Randall. 279 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: And in the famous fifty four teen game. Do you 280 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: remember that game? Though? You remember? That game was Jonathan 281 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: Quinn game, and it was they were dead. They were 282 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: disaster from the word get go. And Tony said he'd 283 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: be the first one to tell you he came into 284 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: that game no when they were going to get their 285 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: butts be because I was a good Vikings team, right, 286 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: and he knew it. And he said he didn't play 287 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: for he wasn't prepared to play. And they got beat 288 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: They got beat up, and John Randall to this day 289 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: will say Tony won that good because he doesn't. Really. 290 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: That wasn't who he was that night, but he had 291 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: a rough COVID. Plus I like to joke around that 292 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Brunell ran into about twelve of those sacks. Well, I'm kidding, Mark, 293 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm kidding Mark. What And Pete always asked this because 294 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: we worked together five or six years and you probably 295 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: know as much about why players are good and bad, 296 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: uh than any uh reporter I've been around. What was that? Hey? 297 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: What was striking to me, Pete is how good he was. 298 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: Quickly he came out and he's stonewalled Sean Jones and 299 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: there in the first game he ever played. He was 300 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: never bad. He may have been a pro bowler's first year, 301 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: he didn't make it, but um, what was it about 302 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: it made him so good? Well? I think it was 303 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: the technique as much as anything. I mean, he he 304 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: came in looking like a pro. You know that's we 305 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: see always offensive linemen come into the league and they 306 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: don't know how to use their hands and kind of 307 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: in unison with their feet, and Tony knew how to 308 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: do that from the word get go. And maybe never 309 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: realized I got spoiled that, I got spoiled Andy covering 310 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning because I covered Tony. I didn't realize it 311 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: was my first NFL game, I covered Tony Beselli five 312 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: games in. I never realized how hard it is what 313 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: you're talking about, and how rare it is until after 314 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: I stopped covering. You don't see that right out of 315 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: the gate, You really don't. And and you know what 316 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: it's He played at USC, which had the reputation for 317 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: putting out offensive linemen after offensive lineman. I remember Anthony Munos, 318 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: so I think to this day, um, it was the 319 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: best I've ever seen. And Tony's right there with him, 320 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: But he's the best I've ever seen played the position 321 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: of left tackle. And I saw Anton Unis play left 322 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: tackle in college when I was at Arizona State, and 323 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Keith van Horn was the right tackle. And then after 324 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: after Muns there was Todd Harlow who was the first 325 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: round pick and kind of he was ahead of Tony 326 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: and played before Tony and and so there was always 327 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: the tradition at USC, and they were taught the right way. 328 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: It kind of trickled down. It was. It was really 329 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistake, and Hudson how might have 330 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: been the offensive line coach at USC way back then. 331 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: The whole offensive Roy Foster and and and Brad Buddy 332 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: and all these guys, they were all first round picks 333 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: all the way through they always work and Ron way back. 334 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: But I mean, you look about greatness at a school 335 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: for offensive lineman and Tony kind of learned to play 336 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: the position there. And when he came to the NFL, 337 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: his technique was sound, his feet were outstanding. He moved 338 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: like a basketball player, and you always want that at 339 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: a left tackle position. You want a guy who can 340 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: move like a basketball player. And he was a basketball 341 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: player at one point. Remember, he's a guy who grew 342 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: into his body, and a lot of times the guys 343 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: would grow into their body. They're better athletes than a 344 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: guy who's just a big clunk, you know. Big big 345 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: guy has been big his entire life an athlete. He 346 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: was an athlete who grew into his body. And that's 347 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: why his feet in his hands were so outstanding. How 348 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: it sounds silly, because he he was great, he had 349 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: to retire so young. He could have played four or 350 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: five six more years at a high level, had he 351 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: played all fourteen of what he probably should have played. 352 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: Would he be remembered Moono's Walter Jones, I think he'd 353 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: be in that bunch to me, Walter Jones as best 354 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: I saw. But to me, Tony would be in that 355 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: I guess the Rushmore conversation. Had he played it out, Oh, 356 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: he would be in the Rushmore conversation. Uh. The only 357 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: thing that holds him back from being in the Rushmore 358 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: conversation is length of career. Um, like I said, mun 359 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: knows to me is the best. Uh, Walter Jones right there. 360 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting that Walter Jones emulated Tony. 361 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: That's what he says that that he learned to play 362 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: watching Tony, and so yeah, he would be in the conversation. 363 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: It's sad what they did to his shoulders. I mean, 364 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: my gosh, I mean, you know, that's a whole another aside, 365 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: but I mean, the guy's career was ruined by bad 366 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: shoulder surgeries, and and you hate to see that because 367 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: he was in the prime. That was the prime of 368 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: his career. You're talking about an offensive lineman who could 369 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: have played, like you said, another what seven eight years 370 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: and probably played at a really high level for another 371 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: five at least. And that's the tragedy of his career. Look, 372 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: if that were the case, if he had played his 373 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: entire career healthy, we'd have been having this podcast, in 374 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: this conversation a long time ago. We've been having a 375 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: five years after he after retire. I thought, Pete, one 376 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: of the most amazing things I saw. I think you 377 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: covered a lot of this season and then and you 378 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: were gone by the end. He tears his a c 379 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: L in January of ninety or in January of two thousand, 380 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the ninety nine season, comes back. 381 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Uh in a in a time where it wasn't guaranteed 382 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: that you came back immediately, you came back from a 383 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: c L. I'm not over exaggerating it, but he started 384 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: every game. Has told me since that for the first 385 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: four or five weeks he was playing on one leg, 386 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: gets back, gets right, makes the Pro Bowl the year 387 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: after a c L surgery, and that was really his 388 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: last Pro Bowl season. He had the shoulder stuff. He 389 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: was out I think by weeks six or weeks seven 390 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: of the next year. But that season to me, not 391 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: as dominant, but showed you, even on one leg, the 392 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: guy was a Pro bowler and he had to play 393 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: because didn't. Leon tears a c L in the painting 394 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: camp that it was an a c L. But Leon 395 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: was done. It was interesting in my conversation with Leon 396 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: this morning, I remind at him the Jaguars great years 397 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: started in ninety six when those two started playing together 398 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: and ended in ninety nine in Leon's last game when 399 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: those two weren't the right and left tackle. Those were 400 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: the glory years of Leon. When did Leon his training 401 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: camp two thousand? Right? So he was done. That was 402 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: the end of him. Yeah, he was done. So And 403 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, one would have been the saddest thing of 404 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: all of that is had they gone to the Super Bowl, 405 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: and Tony would have been a part of it. Remember, 406 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: because they played that whole playoff run without him. People 407 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: don't realize that he was heard regular season finale against 408 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: the Bengals, right, Yeah, and he didn't. He didn't play 409 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: the playoffs series, in the playoff games. And that's the 410 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: amazing thing about how good they were. They didn't even 411 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: have their best player on the field. He wasn't even 412 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: on the field. And and that would have been in 413 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: hindsight had they because I still think if they had 414 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: beaten the Titans, they would have beat the Rams. And 415 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: if they had done that, he would have been a 416 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: part of it. He would have been sitting out why 417 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: his team with a super Bowl And you know that 418 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: would have aided him because we would have had fodder 419 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: for years and years, and oh favor they didn't need 420 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: and uh, speak to this, Pete, and I'll let you 421 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: go after this. But I always maintain what a remarkable 422 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: thing it was and is and how cool it is. 423 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: In this sense, they clearly drafted into be the cornerstone. 424 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: He was the first pick and franchise history number two 425 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: overall left tackle cornerstone position. Then you know, we've all 426 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: seen in the draft that's all well and good, doesn't 427 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: always work out. He lived up to it, and more 428 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: than live up to it. The rarity is to me, 429 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: when I think of those early Jaguars teams, I think 430 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: Tony Baselli and Tom Coffin. No knock on Fred, no 431 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: knock on Jimmy, no knock on Mark. I love those guys. 432 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: But Bisselli is the guy when I looked back. Maybe 433 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: it's because he was the first pick and then to 434 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: eventually be the first player in franchise history in the 435 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I it usually doesn't work out that way, 436 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: does it. No, it doesn't. So I mean, look it's 437 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: it's it's great for the city because so I remember 438 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: when he was picked in the passion for when he 439 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: actually was the first player. You remember. Leading into it, 440 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't great fanfare, but when he was picked, everybody 441 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: loved them. He was Tony. They loved the selling. He 442 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: was their guy. He was there first. He's the first guy. 443 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: And to see him have the career he had and 444 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: then despite the fact that got cut short, still get 445 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame as the first player in 446 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: team history to do it. That's special and it will 447 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: be a special It's gonna be a special um ceremony. 448 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: I know the city at Jackson is gonna go nuts 449 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: for it. Um. And you know, I went to the 450 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: owners meetings this year and guys, I hadn't seen a 451 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: couple of years because of COVID writers and stuff. Came 452 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: up to me, they go, leave us alone, you got 453 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: him in, Leave me alone, you got him in. And 454 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: I go, oh, Fred Taylor time now, guys. So you 455 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: know what, very similar arguments can be made there, Pete. Yeah, 456 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: And they're going to get made and and and I 457 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: think we'll be doing a podcast for Fred Taylor soon 458 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: talking about his Hall of Fame career because he's gonna 459 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: get in eventually get in. He was a great player, 460 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: and Tony is the first he should be the first, 461 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be a great summer to 462 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: watch him get inducted into the whole thing. Will you 463 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: be able to make it? I'll be there, Okay, I 464 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: will be there. Look, it's gonna be Tony Boselli and 465 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: Leroy Butler, who I've known for years, both going in 466 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: in the same summer. I will be there. Fantastic, Well, Pete, 467 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: I could go on forever. Remember we were sitting next 468 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: to each other when Tony and Angie walked in and 469 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: Angie was wearing a red outfit with miss California hair, 470 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: and I I can distinctly remember seeing that moment and thinking, 471 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: this is the first day the rest of those kids alives, 472 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: and just wondering how it would work. I mean, we're 473 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: sitting in that meeting room down the end of the hall, 474 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: recovered the draft, and so many memories like that, the 475 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: flashback you forgot. You forgot one memory that I will 476 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: never let him forget, by the way, with that sending 477 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: the private plane to get him in Steven's point because 478 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: he had a boo boo on his knee. Remember career 479 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: ending boo booo, didn't it? Do you remember? Oh? Yeah? Yeah, 480 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: and it's a I think that was the one time 481 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: he ever blew me off for an interview because I 482 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: caught him coming out of h I had gotten sent 483 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: over to wherever they were doing his x rays. He 484 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: was like, okay, talk wrote no osure. He apologized to 485 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: me later because it was all calls. But everybody else 486 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: who got injured had to go back to Jacksonville got 487 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: the coach. That's right, Well, Pete, I feel like I 488 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: should congratulate you forgetting him in. They know it A 489 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: big part of it. Uh, big part of the process 490 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: you are. But I know it comes across in this podcast. 491 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: As much as we tease Tony, the relationship you guys 492 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: have had over the years, I know there's a lot 493 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: of pride and I know you're happy about this. I 494 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: can't thank you enough to join us and sharing your 495 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: thoughts and uh, I'm looking forward to celebrating the Canton. Yeah, 496 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Looking forward to it, Johnnyoe, take careful, 497 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: m