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Speaker 1: First of all, man, appreciate you coming on the show man.

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Speaker 1: You know, a big fan of what you do, your game,

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Speaker 1: you know, the history of you, the part of this

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Speaker 1: basketball shit, and man, we just appreciate you come on here,

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Speaker 1: rocking with it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, you know, y'all fan definitely always

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Speaker 2: always lovet.

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league and you play

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Speaker 1: who's the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 3: The first person?

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Speaker 2: I would say it started in practice. I would say Rod,

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Speaker 2: right strict, you know, you know. And then then that's

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Speaker 2: the thing, like Rod was like og at the time

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Speaker 2: because he's from New York from where I'm from.

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Speaker 3: We have so many people in common, you know.

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Speaker 2: And then when you get there, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: back then it was totally different from now because like

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Speaker 2: when you got in there, you really had veterans, so

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Speaker 2: it's like you really looked up to these people because

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Speaker 2: they were.

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Speaker 3: So much older than you.

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Speaker 2: It's not like now where the starting point guard might

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Speaker 2: be twenty one and you're a nineteen. You don't played

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Speaker 2: against him a I never played against Rod and my

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Speaker 2: life went in there era.

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Speaker 3: Yeah to the NBA so Yo yo Yo.

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Speaker 4: We live on location live from summer league in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. We live with using vibes here at

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Speaker 3: Las Vegas is beautiful. We got viewsing vibes.

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Speaker 4: Y'all might be hearing the pool over there. We got

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Speaker 4: music and vibes going on at the pool. So if

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Speaker 4: things going Vegas. But yo, we got one of the legends. Man,

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Speaker 4: we got something. It's not many people to get to

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Speaker 4: have a move named surely after them that they did it,

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Speaker 4: they created today known for man, we gadget in the

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Speaker 4: game Blackest one of his and his bucket head in

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Speaker 4: the building, but he ay special guests, God sham God

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Speaker 4: in the building. Boy, you know you something special when

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Speaker 4: you got named like that and the move named after you.

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Speaker 4: Y'all tune in, man, it's gonna be a good one.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate thanks for having me on. Knucklehead.

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Speaker 3: It's all off. You know, I'm a fan of both

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Speaker 3: of y'all, so it's definitely all out.

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, Crown High Brooklyn. But you you moved to.

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Speaker 3: HALLM moved to Hall when I was eight years old.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about that like being from Brooklyn then transitioning to.

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Speaker 2: Hallm Me, growing up in Brooklyn was like Brooklyn is

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Speaker 2: like fast paced. Anybody in New York like Brooklyn is

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Speaker 2: like crime fighting.

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Speaker 4: I'm about to say, like when I went, they say,

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Speaker 4: don't go Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Dudes come through. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I understand it was Brooklyn dudes was grinding, might stick

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Speaker 4: you up. Take some Harlem dudes coming through to du

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Speaker 4: They got all the swag all the way.

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Speaker 2: Like it was funny because like when I was in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: I was like because people that know, like my father's

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So it's like, so when I

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Speaker 2: moved in Brooklyn, I grew up around like a lot

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Speaker 2: when I was there, it was just all school and

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Speaker 2: learning lessons, reading books things like that. And then when

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Speaker 2: I moved to Harlem, it was like a whole different world.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of like the contrast like when you

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Speaker 2: see Tupac and what's the name and Juice, you see him,

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Speaker 2: he got the flat top. He's like real militant, So

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Speaker 2: like me moving to Halem, like I got the flat

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Speaker 3: You know, I had to go fron you know I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm coming up there, I'm wilding.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I know is my father used to

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Speaker 2: karate and wrestling. Then when I got to Hallm, it

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Speaker 2: just looking like this do it on, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Man, Like the first block I moved on.

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Speaker 2: You know, we got friends later, but like got jumped,

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Speaker 2: Like the first day I got there because I'm Wilent,

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Speaker 2: and then anybody people know, people from Brooklyn, the first

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Speaker 2: it was more like it was like Tupac after Juice, right,

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Speaker 3: So that's how Hallm was.

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Speaker 2: So when I moved up there, it was like and

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Speaker 2: straight basketball players like God bless it that Alley Mole,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. Then, like the first people I met was

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Speaker 2: Mason cam My boys zigg and this is before like

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Speaker 2: they was playing but nice and boy.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know how to play ball at that point, and.

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Speaker 1: So when you moved you weren't hooping. You got into

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Speaker 1: the hoop because the block was on the hoop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because the block was on hoop legends. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then Mace took me to see my first fifty

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Speaker 4: So you can pretty much attribute and say, Mason Camp

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Speaker 4: pretty much got you in the hoop.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Like ma.

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Speaker 2: Like the crazy dRIT Before I even went to my

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Speaker 2: high school, I was going to go to their high

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Speaker 2: school because of them.

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Speaker 3: Like they used to take me there every day, say

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Speaker 3: high school. I'm like, oh, this is it.

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Speaker 2: Like I go to fifty fifth and the thing that

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Speaker 2: an all star game. So it wasn't just like even

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Speaker 2: though Rutger always was lit, it wasn't just a regular day.

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Speaker 2: It was all star. So I get up them. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 2: it's like chicks undressing dude, first time, my first time

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Speaker 2: we're watching basketball. So that's the thing, Like it was

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Speaker 2: my first time watching basketball. Like I didn't watch the

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Speaker 2: Knicks and all. When I was in Brooklyn, I was

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Speaker 2: outside to two in the morning. You know that's games calling,

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Speaker 2: like one time a week. Like you know NBA is

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Speaker 2: for soft dudes, Like I ain't doing that. So when

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Speaker 2: I moved to Harlem, dudes is either selling drugs, big cars.

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Speaker 3: Or playing ball. And how old were you when you

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Speaker 3: moved when I moved on and I was nine? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Let me let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: When Cam and Mace went to State, did Cam have

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Speaker 1: time to throw makes the ball and school? I should

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Speaker 1: Cam did what he did and just try to make

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Speaker 2: If you ask Kim, Cam gonna say, Yo, my shot

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Speaker 2: was better than his shot.

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Speaker 3: So regardless I was taking the.

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Speaker 1: Shot up here, you think that, like when he came

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Speaker 1: down he got it out the free throw he could

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Speaker 3: He was a better shot than Nah. He had time

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Speaker 2: But at that time, if I'm Cam, I'm doing what

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Speaker 2: I'm taking that shot too, so.

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Speaker 3: Like so he was really like that.

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Speaker 2: Now Cam was nice, like like Cam was nice nice

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Speaker 2: because the difference is Cam. Cam was like kind of

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Speaker 2: like he is like when he rapped, like but he

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Speaker 2: like how he aggressive and he don't like when people

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Speaker 2: in basketball, he was just like that, like you see,

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Speaker 2: like he was a little bit more like different than Russ,

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Speaker 2: but he had the same attitudes as Westbrook, like Kim

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Speaker 2: and kid who was in front of him. Then he

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Speaker 2: was athletic, so he could get to you know, in

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Speaker 2: high school. He in the tenth grade, he's trying to dunk.

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Speaker 2: So when you see somebody trying to dunk at the

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Speaker 2: He going straight line, he going hard.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Mace's more like Pat Bath, Like this is more like

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Speaker 2: an agitator. Yeah, I gotta make a spot up shot.

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Speaker 2: They just wanted to come up to you. He guards

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Speaker 2: you and he's like putting his hands in the air,

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Speaker 3: And like yo, what like what are you doing? Like

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So who's on the block that you've seen since you

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Speaker 1: didn't watch Hoop and all that stuff, who's on the

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Speaker 2: So when I first moved up there, like I said,

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Speaker 2: Mason was nice and ball. Then it was a brother's

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Speaker 2: the starting point guard pit like before I went to college,

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Speaker 2: Like he was real nice, and then when he took

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Speaker 2: me to fifty fifth I fell in love with like melloy,

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Speaker 2: they spent people know him as the future. This other

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Speaker 2: guy named Mike Boogie and a guy named Pooky Else

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Speaker 2: and they call him m VP.

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Speaker 3: They was like they was like superheroes.

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Speaker 2: Like when I say superheroes, like when people start talking

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Speaker 3: It's no way they're better than these dudes.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, I'm like, oh like that just

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Speaker 2: like nah, man, these dudes right here like I ain't

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Speaker 2: never seen nobody like getting buckets, tricks passing, and then

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Speaker 2: like the specialty was chicks loved them. So like when

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Speaker 2: I did I come in the park, like chicks loved them,

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Speaker 2: and like the crowd just fed off them, just loved them.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, this is the first time me

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Speaker 2: because like you know, these dudes dance. You got dudes

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Speaker 2: like man, time, I have time. The craziest thing. I

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Speaker 2: was saying, it's still crazy this day. I mean the future.

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Speaker 2: I had the ball, he throw up between the leg

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Speaker 2: get on one knee and just drive it through his

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Speaker 2: start doing all this shake the hit a three.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all, I like I need to learn. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is it? This is it right there?

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Speaker 1: When what age would you where you felt Me and

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Speaker 1: Q was talking about this yesterday.

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Speaker 5: We at an age now that we don't feel it

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Speaker 5: no more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know when you.

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Speaker 1: Get the ball before the game and then real give

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Speaker 1: you the ball, and you know how you see the

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Speaker 1: players feel the.

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Speaker 3: Ball this ball right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So when did you feel it when you start dribbling?

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Speaker 1: You feel it where you had control total control?

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Speaker 2: Probably when I was like eleven to twelve. Because it's

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Speaker 2: like the thing with me, I started basketball so late. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, I really start getting into it when I

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Speaker 2: was like eleven. I would say I was good at

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Speaker 2: this dude named Sean Honoran. They used to always tell

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm like, there's no way cause you know,

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Speaker 3: Gypyn't make no man noy. So he's in there.

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Speaker 2: Something like I'm dribbling just doing whatever, and then he's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, hey, you got a surnnam Tanyotu. And

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Speaker 2: This guy looked just like you, and he was like yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no way. I'm like man, I thought like NBA.

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Speaker 3: But he's just used to volunteer after school. You know.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking he's just a gym teacher. He's just come

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Speaker 3: And I'm like man.

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Speaker 2: And then after that, me and him was like unseparable,

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Speaker 5: It, Sam guy. The move like you dribbled, you dribble.

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Speaker 5: They teach you to keep.

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Speaker 1: Your dribble tight close to your body, keep it tight

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Speaker 1: so people won't steal it. The move that you created

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Speaker 2: So it's like, what happened is people don't understand like

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Speaker 2: so that's why people back home be like, yo, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I'm like far as long dribble, I'm always gonna take

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Speaker 3: So everybody dribbled close together.

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Speaker 2: If you watch Kevin Johnson, you watched Tim hardiway you

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Speaker 2: because I had long arms, once I used to start

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Speaker 2: And then I used to practice under this light, and

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Speaker 2: I could shake my shadow. I'm telling you, I'm telling him,

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Speaker 2: with the anchor weight so off. Then I take them off,

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Speaker 2: and of course it's like boxing. If you got weighted arm,

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Speaker 2: So I used to be like, okay, I'm gonna do

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Speaker 2: and all the other stuff. And then I'll never forget

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Speaker 2: a kid named Dean Berry, and for people that don't

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Speaker 2: know him, I always give him a lot of credit

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Speaker 2: for showing him how. That's the kid that was the

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Speaker 2: walk on at Georgetown, So I can't me and him

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Speaker 2: used to do stuff because he could dribbled, and I

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Speaker 2: whether it's him staff, that's how me and Kobe and

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Speaker 2: all that other stuff. So when people talk about it,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, And then if you just go push

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Speaker 2: it forward like then Dean Berry showed everything, you understand

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Speaker 3: So it's like this is six degrees of separation.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like I was the first one always dribble

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Speaker 2: like outside my body like you said, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: doing the move is just it was just a reaction

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Speaker 2: to another move because ken Yannsen should do this move

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Speaker 2: where he had always like he had dribbled one way,

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Speaker 3: So I was like, I used to study cands. It's

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Speaker 2: And then I'm like trying to do the move and

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Speaker 2: then it slipped and then I just run fast and

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Speaker 2: just put because the only thing you could do is

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Speaker 2: pull it back.

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Speaker 1: It's a glitch in the defenders, in the way defenders defend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how you talked to slide your feet and all exactly,

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Speaker 1: so when you're throwing it out and breaking it back,

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Speaker 1: it's crossing up everything.

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Speaker 5: It's you teach defensive, it's.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna go straight, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I tell people like this is funny because like when

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Speaker 2: people were like, people always send me like different versions,

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Speaker 2: and my boys always laugh because I'd be like, every

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Speaker 2: version that exists, I have did that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this the tap between the legs behind.

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Speaker 4: The bag, spin right into anyone out there where you've

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Speaker 4: seen and even if you've done it or.

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Speaker 2: Not, you that yeah, like I said, because I even

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Speaker 2: I even hit him because me and him was cool,

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Speaker 2: Like Will when Will did it?

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Speaker 3: Okay the big three? Yeh, when he did it? Listen,

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Speaker 3: I was there, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: He did it always like you know, that's no doubt,

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Speaker 2: no doubt because he always the funny thing because when

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Speaker 2: he was like man you know o G I said,

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Speaker 2: I said, now, bro, that's your move right there. That's

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Speaker 2: that's the little to me, like I'm not really because

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Speaker 2: one thing with me, And that's why I try to

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Speaker 2: tell people like the reason why I became a name

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Speaker 2: because I could really dribble. I'm not a person that

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Speaker 2: like just know how to do moves like I could

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Speaker 2: really dribble. I s tell you how to drive and

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Speaker 2: then I give thanks to my pops because my name

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Speaker 2: was John al. I don't know if people will call

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Speaker 2: it John or like.

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Speaker 4: That like that because I look at you kind of

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Speaker 4: like come on, man, was like in high school, sham

435
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,119
Speaker 4: guy will like did you wych?

436
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 3: He got game? And feel ever feel like Jesus no.

437
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,399
Speaker 4: No, no no no.

438
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 2: So what happened was it's so crazy because and this

439
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 2: is why people used to get confused a lot because

440
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,439
Speaker 2: I used to go to CAVL School and teachers never

441
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 2: wanted to call me God, so they should be like

442
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,240
Speaker 2: good or cool, just weird stuff. So as me growing

443
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,400
Speaker 2: up and at this point, I'm not good in basketball.

444
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,919
Speaker 2: I'm just like, look, God, sham well. So kids are

445
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 2: like God, like, you know, make it fun. So by

446
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,159
Speaker 2: the time when I moved from Brooklyn to Manhattan, I

447
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 2: was like, cool, I could start over.

448
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 3: So at this time, my pops was in jail.

449
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 2: We wasn't really like vibbing, so I was like, nah,

450
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,359
Speaker 2: I'm representing my mom's like whatever. So I was like, so,

451
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 2: you know, like in school you could put like speedy clocks.

452
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 2: Then you can put and people would just call you.

453
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 2: So when I got to school, I was like, oh,

454
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 2: I'm right in sham Wells, shaming wells, showing wells. So

455
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 2: then it got so big that then once I became

456
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,239
Speaker 2: good and ball, it was like shamall Wells. But then

457
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,120
Speaker 2: I used to tell people, I just like, when y'all

458
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,679
Speaker 2: look at my bou like everybody in my family the last.

459
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 3: Name of SHAMGT. Why would you my first name is

460
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,200
Speaker 3: sham got.

461
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,959
Speaker 2: Cause they never they never used no other days. They

462
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm the only when I used well They never used

463
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: no other time.

464
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 3: Out let me.

465
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 4: I was today years oh when I just found out

466
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 4: that guy sham Guy was really your real name, sham Guy,

467
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 4: I thought that at some point you changed your name

468
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 4: Sham guy will to god. I was like, oh, I

469
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 4: was about to ask you.

470
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 2: So, So what happened was once I went to college,

471
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 2: they was like, yo, you have to use your real name, yeah,

472
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 2: or you have to change it. And then I looked,

473
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: I'm like what and that one time I was gonna

474
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 2: do it. I was like, all right, cool. Then they

475
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: sent me the stuff and they was like six hundred

476
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 2: dollars and I was like six hundred dollars, Like, bro,

477
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 2: I could get some Jordans, I could get this. I'm

478
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: not six hundred dollars to change on it.

479
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 3: It's dumb.

480
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 2: So I was like, cool, y'all just do whatever y'all

481
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,199
Speaker 2: want with the uniform whatever. So then of course they

482
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: put they brought my uniform. He puts Shamgaar on the back,

483
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,239
Speaker 2: and everybody's like he using his first name. And then

484
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 2: it's like, gosh, Sham. Everybody's like, oh my god, he's

485
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 2: so arrogant. He changed his name this and that and

486
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: and I'm just laughing because I'm like, if you look

487
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: at the buy, you like, my brother name is Prince

488
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: Asiatic Shamgart. My sister's name is Shim corn and shamg

489
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: Why would y'all think my first name is Shamguck? You

490
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, why would you think I

491
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: changed it? So it was it was more that, and

492
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: then it was because you know, like probably it was

493
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: Catholic school, so it was like a big thing. And

494
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: then once but basketball kind of calmed everything down because

495
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 2: once people saw it was good in basketball, then they're like, oh,

496
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 2: that's a dope name this, this and that, and it

497
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: goes the way you play. So I was like, all right, cool.

498
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: So it wasn't no problems.

499
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 5: Starting to since she was late to really watching basketball.

500
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 1: But then when you start to really learn the history,

501
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: like you see Kenny, Yeah, you see Rod Strip, when

502
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: you see the guys Kenny Smith was just going and

503
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: having success going to college and going to the NBA

504
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: and stuff.

505
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 5: But that what was something that that infuged you to

506
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 5: be like, man, nah, this is what I want to do.

507
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, like I give big credit, like

508
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: for my basketball career. It's so crazy because like he's

509
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: like my brother, Like I give my basketball mostly career

510
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 2: to like Staph because I remember, like it's so crazy.

511
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,719
Speaker 2: When we was in high school, freshman year, I went

512
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: to go to Caps Go LaSalle Academy. Like I said,

513
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: I was playing street ball. This is like my first year.

514
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: Really yeah.

515
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: It was like my little brother, so like we play.

516
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: I come there in the eighth grade for a visit. So,

517
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 2: like I told you, I'm playing street ball, I ain't

518
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: really play. So I go to watch a JV game.

519
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: They don't have enough people, so we played against St.

520
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: Anthony's Bob Hurley, you know what I'm saying. So they're like, yo,

521
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: we don't have enough people. So they're like, hey, do

522
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: you want to play?

523
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: Like yeah, cool.

524
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, my drumming in the eighth grade. It's

525
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: tenth grade JV. I'm like yeah, I come blake cool.

526
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: So they're like we shoot up play and say anything's

527
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: supposed to be like this big thing. But at this

528
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: point I don't know. Like I said, I don't know

529
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: nothing about none of these high schools. I just know

530
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: I know how to go one on one. I know

531
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: dudes can't guard me.

532
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 3: So I play. I have like thirty seven. So Bar

533
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: Harley come over there and he's like, man, what great

534
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 3: are you? You're in the tenth or eleventh grade and

535
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, I'm in the eighth grade. And he's

536
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: like what.

537
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: He's like, Yo, You're gonna be good. And then so

538
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, thanks. I'm just looking at him

539
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: like old occasional cool whatever. So then he's talking to me.

540
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: So then everybody's telling me who he is and what

541
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: he's doing. I'm like, okay, I might got a chance

542
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: at this thing. So then this when Hoopschoop used to

543
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: come out, Streeter Smith.

544
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: Throw bad, I go.

545
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: So I go and at this point, like I just

546
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 2: met Steph ray for Austin all these people because I

547
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 2: went to play with this team called Young Life Thurnman Player.

548
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: He had all the best players in New York, Kareem Reed,

549
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 3: Thurman Player.

550
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so at this point always had the best crewk

551
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: you know, that's why he went from Young like the Riverside.

552
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 3: He had the best team. So he had all the

553
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: like ballers like Kareem Reid, raph Austin, Stephan maul Berry.

554
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 3: It was like all these dudes.

555
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 2: So everybody's like, yo, if you want to be good,

556
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: you gotta go play with Young Life. So I'm like,

557
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: all right, cool, I go there. I never get Steph

558
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: coming to the gym all the way from Brooklyn. At

559
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: this point, he's walking like Kenny Anderson that part of

560
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: the middle, this and that. So I'm like okay. They're like, yo,

561
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: he's the number one ninth grader in the country. I'm

562
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: like like, hold on, I'm like the country, like hold up, Like,

563
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 2: you know, we're young. So I'm like the world like

564
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: the world.

565
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: So they like yeah, I'm like okay, cool.

566
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: So now yeah, so we're playing against each other and

567
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like okay, I'm holding my own.

568
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: I'm like okay. So then ninth grade come beginning of

569
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 3: the year. Who's scooping?

570
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: All this stuff come out? But I don't know, like

571
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: you have to play tournaments to get in these things.

572
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at the you know, they're like, yo,

573
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: the book is houses. I'm like all right, cool, I'm like,

574
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: let me look in the book.

575
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: Look in the book. He number one.

576
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: I ain't nowhere. I'm like, yo, hold on, I'm like, man,

577
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: how are you getting these books? And they're like, hey,

578
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: you gotta go to camps. This is and then my school,

579
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: bill Abra he was like the commissioner five stars, so

580
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: I knew I would go to the next summer.

581
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: So I come to next summer play plague and stuff.

582
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: Now mind you.

583
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he I'm like he's good. But I'm like, okay,

584
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm nice too. I'm like, good, tenth grade, come out,

585
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: He's number one. I'm like one hundred and forty four

586
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: in the city.

587
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, nah, this right here.

588
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, I'm not one hundred and forty four.

589
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: Last I'm like, we're not gonna do that. And then

590
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: from that day forth, like, man, start kicking it. I

591
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: used to go to brook the all the time, his

592
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: family work, I'll talk back and forth. And then right

593
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: after that he was like, yo, I'm telling you just

594
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: got to do put in that work. This is not

595
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: from sophomore year on. I just shot up the charts,

596
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: like dudes, that was a hev me just knocking them off,

597
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: knocking them off, knocking them off, knocking them off, knocking

598
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: off to the point where then I became number two

599
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: in the city, like the end of the junior year

600
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: and stuff, be like, yo, what I'm telling you. But

601
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: like he used to fuel me because at one point,

602
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: like people always wanting to make us rivalries, but they

603
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: didn't know how much time we spent together, but he

604
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: still fueled me because like I just be like, man,

605
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: like he really, like he really killing, like he really

606
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: these people really love him. Then they start talking like

607
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: coaches used to always like talk about at this point,

608
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm not even thinking about college, like coming from Brooklyn,

609
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: nigga make it out of Brooklyn, he could. I'm talking

610
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 2: about college. I'm like, I'm seeing dudes getting left smoke

611
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: killed everything. And then the block I moved to was

612
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: like the number one block for like murders in the nineties.

613
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: So I'm like, bro, like, if you like, if you

614
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: do anything with this basketball, you good. But then just

615
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: by me being around him and his family because his

616
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: whole family played basketball, like nobody in my father Yeah,

617
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: so I used to be around and god, you know,

618
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: God bless his pops used to always talk to me like, man,

619
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna be good.

620
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: I was like like the extra brother.

621
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that kind of like pushed me. And then

622
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: like so I always give him props off that because

623
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: at that point, even though I tell people today, step

624
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: is probably the best point guard I've seen play up.

625
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 5: Close to me, I think he's the best New York ever.

626
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: But I'm saying step is probably the best point guard

627
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: I've seen ever. Like it's dudes that nice and did more.

628
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about I'm just talking about from every

629
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: skill set like dribbling, pass and shooting. He never had

630
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: any holes. Look, that's what I mean. He was like

631
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: athletic point guard. He really knew how to play the point.

632
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: He shoot from He's like steps the first person I

633
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: seen shooting from half in high school.

634
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 5: Straight jumper.

635
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know he no, I know, he jump

636
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 3: jump up in and land in the same spot. Yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah.

637
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 4: At what point was it when you met Kobe and

638
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 4: then you know, his pops wanted you to teach him

639
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 4: how to drink.

640
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's the craziest party, Julia. Yeah, I just

641
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: became so used to in high school. Yeah, I just

642
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: became McDonald's America, and you know, at this point then

643
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: it was like nobody in the country ever had in

644
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: the same position play McDonald's with American, you know, because

645
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 2: me and stuff for the same year.

646
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: So we both with point guard.

647
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: So they usually take one from the state one another.

648
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: So I did so good, just got announce to McDonald's.

649
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: So I'm like, so I'm going into I had summer school,

650
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: and this when ABCD just first start blowing up, like

651
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: really blowing up.

652
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: So they're like, you know you're gonna go to ABCD.

653
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm like all right, I'm like, yeah, I got appointed

654
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: for I'm gonna kill on ABCD. So I used to

655
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: just go from school and they just drive me to Jersey.

656
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: Then I have to go back, you know what I'm saying.

657
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: So I get up there first day. You know, we young,

658
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: so like anybody that come from anywhere, you like if

659
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: that's out of the country, like oh, from France, you know,

660
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: because that's what the story you really knew. So cold

661
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: come and his father was coaching at LaSalle, the South College,

662
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: So min Joe, I went to La South High School.

663
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: So I see you meet to coach from the South.

664
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'd be dope, go to the South

665
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: College from the South because at this point I really

666
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: don't know about all this stuff. So he seen me,

667
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: he see me working out, and then like I said,

668
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: Cole was on my team, and you know he's walking

669
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: like Jordan's chewing gum like Jordan's doing all that.

670
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 3: So you know, in high school, you know, dudes is wild.

671
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: You know, dudes is young and wild.

672
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: So you're like, man, was this dude thinking Jordan's so

673
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: we play now mind you supposed to be my yees.

674
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, this man is taking.

675
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: All the shots. I'm like, yo, hold up, hold on,

676
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: hold on, hold you got relaxed, like this is this

677
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: is my right? Yeah?

678
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: So they like, yeah, you know he just came from kids, like,

679
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: he just came from France.

680
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I don't care where you come from, man,

681
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: you know this is you know, I got boys coming

682
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: up here. So then after that, you know, he was

683
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: fading away like draining and doing stuff different stuff. I'm like,

684
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: all right, he cool. Then Pop's like, Yo, the only

685
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: thing my son really can't do is dribble. Can you

686
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: just like show him some dribbling stuff?

687
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 5: You know.

688
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: At this point, you know you're young, so you're like,

689
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: I ain't showing nothing shooting at the balls and I'm

690
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: not showing that dude nothing, you know what I'm saying.

691
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: So then I was like being smart, I said, all right, cool,

692
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: say yo, I'm be here like five in the morning

693
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: work out before the camp start, knowing I ain't coming

694
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: at no. Five, So I get in there like six

695
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: sixthirt beuse used to always work out before the camp.

696
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: I get in here in full blown sweat already, just

697
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: oh he's been like that, he'd been like that.

698
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: So then we just used to just do stuff like

699
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: every morning and just work out showing whid crossovers because

700
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: I just be like, yo, you can cover so much

701
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: space like instead of dribbling close. And then after that, man,

702
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: that right there just grew into twenty five year friendship

703
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: to like to timely minds, where like a month six

704
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: months before that, I was working on his daughter. You know,

705
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: he called me to work his daughter out, so you

706
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So it was like I worked

707
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: his daughter out. The girls, for the girls that was

708
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: in the accident, I worked all of them out, like

709
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: wee ca and a half straight, Like it's crazy. It's

710
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: crazy because I look at this picture and it's me

711
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: called and the girls all in the picture, and I'm

712
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: the only one.

713
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: That's here from the picture on the picture. So I

714
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: have the picture and I was like, you know, I was.

715
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: Like, probably like one of the worst days of my

716
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: life because like we used to talk and we used

717
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: to like, you know stuff, and then like I said,

718
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: he and trusted me, like twenty five years later, daughter,

719
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

720
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 5: Stuff like.

721
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people, yeah exactly, you know what I'm saying.

722
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, like he really like And

723
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: then it's crazy because in the beginning, like me interviews

724
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: that I've never talked about but me and I was

725
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: just like, oh, it was cool. And then right when

726
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: he retired, he the when I said it, like they

727
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: was asking him some he was like, yeah, you know,

728
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: sham got to me how to dribble. So then of

729
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: course everybody, you know, they went there from wildfire, but like, yeah,

730
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: that was a relationship.

731
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: That's you know, when you got your first college letter, Yeah,

732
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: what was it? Who wasn't And how did you feel?

733
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: My first college letter was James Madison. James Madison, and

734
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: I thought I made it. It's so crazy because James Madison.

735
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: Because I'm just built on loyalty. So James Madison, like

736
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: even before I really got good, good good all American life,

737
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: they always on me. So like even on my visit list,

738
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: they was like at the top of my visitalist I

739
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I'm gonna come see what you I got.

740
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: They had left you gisel As the coach. He had

741
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: just got all the stuff with like limbias and them

742
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: and the coach down there, and I remember I went

743
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: there and they had like a pet rally. I went

744
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: to this pet rally. It was like ship god Shai, Look,

745
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: this is how crazy I ain't know nothing about. Boy.

746
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I call my cars, like you know,

747
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: I'm signing, I'm I don't care, I'm going here.

748
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, you know McDonald's. There's no way

749
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: you could go there. He was like, because they're gonna

750
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: think it's no way you can go there exactly.

751
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: And I was like, nah, I love it down here.

752
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: After school, I was like I love it down here.

753
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 4: Tell me how was your experience at the actual McDonald's game,

754
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: because you had a legend day class. Like you know

755
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like I always tell heg like, there's

756
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: always gonna be top two to me.

757
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: Probably, I'm always gonna say that, like, Bro McDonald's old

758
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: American class.

759
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 5: Was so crazy because I had a sick ass class.

760
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: And it's so crazy because even like all these years later,

761
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,239
Speaker 2: like we're all still close, but we talked about him

762
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: a McDonald's that would stay cool. You know what I'm saying,

763
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: and people like, people don't understand. Like even in the

764
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: McDonald's game when we got there, we're sitting there and

765
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: I'm telling him like, hey, I'm going to get my

766
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: ears pissed the Saint Louis.

767
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, we're gonna go to the More.

768
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get my ears. There's like, alright, we coming.

769
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: So if you watched the McDonald's on American game, we

770
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: all got band dans on the ears couldn't take them off,

771
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: and like that was like the first time like we

772
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: like everybody like really bonded and just kicked it. And then,

773
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: like I said, for me, for me, it was different

774
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: in high school because like like I lived by myself

775
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: at seventeen, damn you know what I'm saying, because I

776
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: had a child, So I lived by myself at seventeen.

777
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: So when dudes used to come to New York like

778
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: tractor trailing all and they were like, hey, telling my parents,

779
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come stairs house like cool, but they don't

780
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: parents don't know. It's so like wait outside. That's why

781
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: they loved New York when they used to come, cause

782
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 2: it's like yo, we come, we go, you meet people

783
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: like Fat Joe, different people like you know what I'm saying.

784
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: Who all was in that club was no.

785
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: No, it was me, Vince Carter, Poor Pierce, Ancheoine Jamison, Stephan, Marlbray, Chauncey, Billups,

786
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: shreef apd Rahim, Randelle Jackson Crazy.

787
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: That was a year before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

788
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: White Louis Bullock. People sleep on white. Listen, bro, when

789
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: he came to Chicago. IM we talked about this in

790
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 4: the y Hey You Together to trailer was when they

791
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 4: came to the crib and played and Are You. I

792
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 4: was like at that point, like I had never seen

793
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: somebody like white six six nine.

794
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: Dunking on your shoeing on you. He was cold, Bro.

795
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: I was like, who is this?

796
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: People ain't know like Illy White, like trailer trackers like

797
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: Monster and dunks all that stuff.

798
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: So it was like we got j McCoy y.

799
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy because I remember in the tenth grade

800
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 2: we played against King High School.

801
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna go to King. I see what

802
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 4: I'm saying. That type of ship sonny Cock. He was

803
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: bringing them from anywhere, like we played them. You talk

804
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: about when they happened to twin town Boy if you

805
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 4: would have been on that team.

806
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: It was that took me.

807
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: They took me to a party in Cabrini Green. I'll

808
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: never forget I came here. I had broke the assist record,

809
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: so everybody was like, they was like, man, you should.

810
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: Come out here to shot with us. And I was

811
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: like these two boy Yeah.

812
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: So they took me to this party in Cobrinity. I

813
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: had to raid his hat on. They're like, yo, you

814
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: got to take the hat off. You gotta take the

815
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: had off.

816
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: Around here, they don't do that. I was like, you're

817
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: at that point, we don't know about vice lit. So

818
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you talking about?

819
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: Gangs?

820
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: And Yo, you can't have a hat on, bro, you

821
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: gotta take a hell. I'm like cool.

822
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: And then the funny thing, I was about to go

823
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: there the week I've putting transfer papers. That's when they

824
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: got in trouble. All the stuff on TV. Yeah, I

825
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: would never ended that list. I've been right because I

826
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: was on my way and they was like they was

827
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: like yo, they was like.

828
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: They had these people in there. There was like I

829
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: was like, oh. I was like, nah, I'm glad I

830
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: wasn't over there.

831
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 5: Why probably in this because they been anybody else that

832
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: almost got.

833
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: You in Syracuse and Georgia Tech. And it was so

834
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: crazy because Sham got it.

835
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: See. The crazy thing is because, like.

836
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: I said, Steph already knew about Kenny, and but then

837
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: once I knew Kenny and said, I just fell in

838
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 2: love with cancer.

839
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be ny.

840
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: So I was like, I was like, Yo, We're gonna

841
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: go to Georgia Tech. My big man went to Georgia

842
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: Tech the year before, so Bobby Criminals always was at

843
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: the school. And then Bobby Chrimins loved me. He was

844
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: like yo, and then Behan loved me. So I was like,

845
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: I go to Syracuse because Pearl went there. Bro Pearl

846
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: was like god the basketball, So so I'm like all right,

847
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: but then the only thing that happened. That's why I

848
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: was so crazy because Bobby was like, yo, the same

849
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: two schools. Was cooling Steph since seventh grade, like they

850
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: I mean years with putting in work. So I went

851
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: to Georgia Tech. Took to Bobby criminsy like yeah, we

852
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: want you, you know, but we're still gonna recruit Steph.

853
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: He's like, we're still waiting on Steph, but we'll take you,

854
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, that's I said. But see,

855
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: everybody thought it would be fine because me and Steph

856
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: play a you together with gauchos, so they was like, yo,

857
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: y'all play together now, and I was like, yeah, but

858
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: college is a little different than they You brother, you

859
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So then Beha, I'll never forget.

860
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: And I used to always ask Stef like, hey, you

861
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: know where you're going? Where you're going, and Steph always

862
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: kept it tight. Now it's cool. So I go to

863
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Syracuse talk to Behin. I'm like, yo, I'm ready to sign.

864
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: He like yeah, but you know, we got to wait

865
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: for Steph to see what stuff doing. So I'm like,

866
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: all right, bro cool. Province always recruited me, and then

867
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: my high school coach he went to Province as assistant coach,

868
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: so he was like, yo, just come and at that point,

869
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: you know you like, I'm like, yo, whatever, I'm playing

870
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: forty minutes, that's where I'm going. I ain't got time

871
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: to be worried about together. So I said, caught Bayhan,

872
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you sure you sure you're waiting because

873
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: I knew in my heart. I'm like, yo, Steph's going

874
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: to Georgia Tech. Like, I know he's going Judge, there's

875
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: no way biddy Ker is letting him get away. So

876
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, we're gonna wait. I was like, all right, cool, bro,

877
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: cool blessing. The day I signed with Province and he

878
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: I knew he was doing this on purpose, and then

879
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 2: I signed Prims.

880
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: Two days later, he signed with Georgia Tech. Bay House Hot.

881
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: He called me. I was like, nah, we're good.

882
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget the first Biggies game we played them.

883
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: I had eighteen and twelve. I just kept looking at

884
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: one sound. Yo, man, I told you, but it would

885
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: been dope if I went there, because that's the that's

886
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: the year they went to the championship, right, And I

887
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: was like, bro, I would have turned the dome.

888
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: Out behind and blocked his blessing y'all, damn, let you

889
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: just rock, right, So the dome y'all.

890
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 5: And two three zones.

891
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it's just And I had the crazy bigs, you know,

892
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 2: John Wallace, a we even. Yeah, it was rock and rocking,

893
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: so you know, but you know, everything happened like it's

894
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: supposed to happen.

895
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 3: But it was just like the dome.

896
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 4: How was that run in the n c double as

897
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: to the Elite eight, Like, how was that for you?

898
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 4: Like this like Top time Basketball NCAA turning double A.

899
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: For me, it was like a gift and the curse

900
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: at the same time. But you put the move. No, no,

901
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: just no.

902
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: The reason why I say is a gift in the

903
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: curse because like up into the nc double A. Yeah,

904
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: like I was killing doing work, but it was it

905
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: was it was work, like reasonable work. So it was

906
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: like I was like, Okay, cool, I'm gonna be here

907
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: four years, go to the NBA, this and that. When

908
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: I hit the tournament, I just went so crazy. From

909
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: day one of the tournament. Now I'm like, hold on

910
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: out of here. I think about this, you know what

911
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

912
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I'm like, man, I'm in the tow

913
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm cooking these dudes. I'm like, these dudes

914
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: ain't tough.

915
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 2: Like these dudes is like because this is the first time,

916
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: Like cause my freshman year we missed the tournament by

917
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: one game. So my sophomore year, we in the tournament

918
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, now I'm getting to play against people

919
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: around the country outside the biggies. Yeah, so I'm looking

920
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: at these people like, man, these dudes in these conference

921
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: killing Yeah, like these dudes like these dudes is I'm like, man,

922
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: I could have went here. My freshman year has just

923
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 2: been up out of here. And then we play Arizona

924
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: and I'll never forget Bibby and it was like, yeah,

925
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: we just beat Kansas and that's when.

926
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: Jacquesvar and Jauvarhn was like number one point guard in college.

927
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, we not really worrying about that. So

928
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: then they getting on stage, were coming on stage and

929
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: they was like, yeah, what should think about Arizona and

930
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: all that. I was like, listen, man, getting nobody in

931
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: the tournament stopped me. Man.

932
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: I'm not worrying about what they talking about.

933
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: Man.

934
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, these dudes can't guard me.

935
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: It's like, yo, you know Bibby, this person said, listen, man,

936
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: none of these dudes could guard me. Man.

937
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: And we played them and they had Michael Dickinson on me.

938
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 5: How sucks.

939
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: Strong, So it was like, yo, you got him man.

940
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: I was tearing him up.

941
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: Bro.

942
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: It was like so then they bring in and that's

943
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: my guy JT.

944
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 2: They bring JT because it was like, oh, he's like

945
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 2: he's like the defensive person. Like the first four minutes

946
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: he had like four files. I tapped him on the bus.

947
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, go sit back down like that,

948
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: and then like you know, and then I remember did

949
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: the move.

950
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: I was about to say, how was that?

951
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 4: Like, what was it like?

952
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: We didn't have social media, but what was your version

953
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: of going viral back? So the crazy joint is before

954
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: I even did the move.

955
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: I was attempted to do it in the first half

956
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: of the game, but it was just it was just

957
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: the wrong angle because I always had perfect angles where

958
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: I could do it from where make it look like

959
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: it's supposed to look, you know, because you see it

960
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: now people always do it like top of the keys

961
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but there's no space for the defender

962
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: to really run and there's no space for you to

963
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: really get away, you know. So I used to always

964
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: be like, bring it to the sideline, be like, tell

965
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: the man out the post, hey move move. So now

966
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: when I throw it between my legs, it's an automatic thing.

967
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm driving baseline, so then I'll just throw it baseline

968
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: just to get back.

969
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: Man.

970
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: So they always try to beat you to the baseline.

971
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 3: That's just defense.

972
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: So I used to always be like hey move whoa whoo,

973
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: and then I'll just throw it fast and pull it back.

974
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: And then I remember I was at the free throw

975
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: line and we was like this if you thought Michael

976
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: Dickinson's right here, and he's like, man, like.

977
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: Man, what you do?

978
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: Man?

979
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: I was like, Man, don't talk to me. Man, talk

980
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: to me. Man, like you know, we was on New

981
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: York stuff. Don't talk to me, Man, don't talk to me.

982
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: And then after the game, I'll never forget jet Pops

983
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: came up to me said, man, I never seen nobody

984
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: dribble like you.

985
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: In my life. I was like, I was like, yo,

986
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

987
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: And then that then, like you said, the craziest thing

988
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: because even up to that point, you still don't realize

989
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: the impact. Like when you say, like going viral, you

990
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: still like that game because that game was in the

991
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 2: lead eight and it was so broadcast because like it'll

992
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 2: be this version of viral.

993
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: So I go home, go to the park.

994
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on the gate watching the kids play, and

995
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: I just hear the kids like, hey, I'm about.

996
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 3: To hear him with the sham. It was sham.

997
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: I'm about to hedle with the sham. Well, and I'm

998
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: sitting there, what are they talking about? And then they

999
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: just keep doing it, And like I said, it was

1000
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: like a giving a curse because then I was like, Yo,

1001
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm out. I don't care, I'm out of here. But

1002
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: when I say I'm out, I'm not mentally ready to

1003
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: be out. Yeah, Billy wise, Yeah, but then you have

1004
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: to be strategic, so you could go to the right spot,

1005
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: go to the right things, and then it can be different.

1006
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I was blessed got

1007
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: drafted to a wizard stuff like that, But I'm getting drafted.

1008
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: You got Row Strickland in.

1009
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: The best careers of his life, you know what I'm saying.

1010
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: Because then when you when you fast forward it, if

1011
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: you look at it the next year, Mike Bibby was

1012
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: the second pick. We just destroyed that. So we would

1013
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: have came back the top two guards, you know what

1014
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So if you the top two guards, no

1015
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: matter if he went before me or I went before him,

1016
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: the top two guards, you're still top six.

1017
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: That's in any draft that the top two point guards is.

1018
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: So then you go into a team where it's like.

1019
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, yo, do you think, yeah, it's not like, well,

1020
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: you're being fancy or you being this, And then I

1021
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: missed the cut on with fancy and.

1022
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: Came a cool thing.

1023
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: Tell me this, when was the first time where you

1024
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 4: really like out, you know outside of the kids, the

1025
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: part where you saw like because that ship took off,

1026
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: I feel like it took off quicker overseare before it

1027
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 4: was the first time that you saw like this ship

1028
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 4: is really like for life.

1029
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: This is like you know when I knew it's because

1030
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: it's kind of like when you hear like like when

1031
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: you see like fifty fifty cent always say like in

1032
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: the club is not my best song, but everybody want

1033
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: to hear in the club. So it's like a gift

1034
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: in the curse. So I never forget. We went to

1035
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: that's when LA had Summer League. You know, ages make

1036
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: their team long beat, so they have all these teams

1037
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: and do you know agents to put teams and stuff.

1038
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: And I'll never forget I go there and playing.

1039
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 2: The free agent team. Yeah, but I'm playing. You know,

1040
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: I'm playing this summer with the Wizards. So we come

1041
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: in there. I'm a rookie, I'm playing. Every time I

1042
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 2: touched the ball, I couldn't do nothing. Everybody's yelling, doe

1043
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: the shame, God do this sh I'm going I'm sitting

1044
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: here like.

1045
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: Bro, I'm trying to play basketball. I am a ball player.

1046
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 3: I yeah, a basketball player.

1047
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: Like the only reason why to move happened because it

1048
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: was necessary at the time. How it happened, you know,

1049
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: because like this, like these days, even when people train,

1050
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: they trained to learn moves, you know what I'm saying.

1051
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 3: So it's like I'm like, yeah, I did the move

1052
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: because that was the time to do it.

1053
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: If you look at the high school career and all stuff,

1054
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: you might have seen it once before then.

1055
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1056
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: Even if you see the NC double, you see it

1057
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: the whole year in the NC double A and you

1058
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: saw it at that time.

1059
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 5: I remember the summer. I learned it after the whole summer.

1060
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: Like it's like, like how does that feel?

1061
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: Like?

1062
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: You know, it's very very few people that have there

1063
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 3: be you know, a move is it?

1064
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: Like you know, Smitty, It's not a lot of people

1065
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: that say, you know, you could say, hey, this one

1066
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: move is because of this one person, and they can

1067
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: point straight to you and say, like how do that

1068
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: feel to have like in basketball, I created something and

1069
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 4: it's everybody knows that.

1070
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: I feel like that's something that's not nobody.

1071
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: Like you said, it's like it's a humble experience because

1072
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: it's like any job that you have, basketball, any job,

1073
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: you always want to make something better than how you

1074
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 2: found it, you know what I'm saying. So, Like especially

1075
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: something of this magnitude, it's like it's crazy when you

1076
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: wake up and you be like, man, something that's been

1077
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 2: going on for all these years, Like you can honestly

1078
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: say you made something better than how you found it.

1079
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: Like I can honestly say I make dribbling better than

1080
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: how I found it, you know what I'm saying. Like

1081
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: you said, so it's like once you know career is over,

1082
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: most people don't have second acts, you know what I'm saying.

1083
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 2: So like me being a part like Dallas Mavericks stuff

1084
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: like that, it's like I get to see Most people

1085
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: see their inspiration. They family see it. They don't see

1086
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: it because it's after they passed away and they'd be like, oh,

1087
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: he did this, he built this building or something like that.

1088
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: With me, I get to live in my inspiration every

1089
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: day because I'm sitting here on the sideline, somebody do it,

1090
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: it's like, yo oh he did the shame with all

1091
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, people coming like.

1092
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: Yo oh, Shane turn around.

1093
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: So it's like it's like me, me and Chris Paul

1094
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: at one time. It's like, yo, bro, I used to

1095
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: watch you. I started playing basketball because you and Tim

1096
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: Hardaway because I watched you in high school. And it's like,

1097
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: this is one of the greatest point guards ever ever,

1098
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Oh, you see a person

1099
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: like Russ Westbrook that never do any moves and he

1100
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: do it and then they asked him and he's like, oh,

1101
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, everybody you know, the kids every close

1102
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: to shamguard or then when something happened and people are like,

1103
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: oh yeah, she was right there the Dallas Mavericks or

1104
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: something like that.

1105
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, amazing feeling.

1106
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 4: To me, it's like the craziest part of the story

1107
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 4: is like when you look, it's like for you to

1108
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: have that type of history, you know what I'm saying, impact,

1109
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 4: and you didn't have this long glory like you know,

1110
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 4: star studying career, but like you are you can in something.

1111
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Something in some scenarios like your

1112
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 4: impact is bigger.

1113
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 3: People that have way better comment like you have a move.

1114
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: It's people that had this shit like they don't get

1115
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: called out in the playoff, Like you got your own

1116
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: signature shoe with pool and that never would happened if

1117
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: you didn't have a shame.

1118
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's a lot of talk

1119
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 3: about that like that.

1120
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: That's unreal that that type of a legacy carried over

1121
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: that much you had damn Like like we feel like

1122
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: that with this whole knucklehead sh we had no fucking

1123
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 4: clue they had to reach or it could touch. It

1124
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: impact like for you to be that far removed, like

1125
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 4: you said, you didn't you get the second act? Yeah,

1126
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 4: like yeah, talking because of the impact is like and.

1127
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying for me, That's why I said,

1128
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: it's so humbling because I know all this has happened organic,

1129
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: So I know this is from God because it happened organic.

1130
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1131
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: It's not it's not doing that's forced or it's not

1132
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: nothing like you know, you're funny as you said, because

1133
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: I always laugh because my friends always been like, man,

1134
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: you have two sneakers with pooring that's so loud and

1135
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: they named Shamwell and I laugh because I'll be like, man,

1136
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: because we always talk about like me playing two years

1137
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: but only really playing twenty games, get art whatever, go

1138
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: overseas and like, yo, your impact overseas was bigger than

1139
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: basketball and the NBA.

1140
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 3: Cool.

1141
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: But I always laugh because I'd be like yeah, I'll

1142
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: be like, you know, it's so crazy. I said I

1143
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: could have played twenty years in the NBA. It just

1144
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: messed it all up, right, because like you said, I

1145
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: could have played ten years, and there's people that play

1146
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: ten it never had a sneaker, And.

1147
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is past.

1148
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 5: People don't even know who.

1149
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is past people that really got to it.

1150
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 2: No exactly, Like I'm like me and Chance, because Chance

1151
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 2: is always still one of my closest friends, Like we

1152
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: talk about it all the time because like we could

1153
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: walk down the street like it was like a couple

1154
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: of years ago and summer, like we walked down the street,

1155
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: kids walk by, you know, kids stop, you know, just

1156
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: mean Chance. Kids walk by and they stop and they

1157
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: like is that sham God or whateverever and turn around, Hey.

1158
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 3: Can I get a picture.

1159
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, so we walk off and Chance's like, Yo,

1160
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: that's crazy, Like Yo, they love you out here and

1161
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: Chances all the things, They're like, yo, is that ship?

1162
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: I'm going right there?

1163
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: So we always like we always laugh, and it's like

1164
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: when people are like, man, you you're so humble about it,

1165
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, because I couldn't have did this like myself,

1166
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: even if I wrote it out on a piece of

1167
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: paper and said this is how I wanted to go,

1168
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 2: it could never look like this, you know what I'm saying.

1169
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: And like you said, to have that type of impact,

1170
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: I really feel like responsibility for it.

1171
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: So that's why him Like when I trained people or

1172
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: when I.

1173
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: Talk to people about basketball and careers, I'm like, I

1174
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: feel responsible, like to be a good romo, to be

1175
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 2: a good mentor to like, you know, help and push

1176
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: it for it, you know what I'm saying. Because, like

1177
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: you said, people in real time didn't really get to

1178
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: see it, and our eraror people. I think that's why

1179
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: it stuck so much because in our era, you know,

1180
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: if you heard about somebody's word of mouth, so you

1181
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: really knew this person was that dude because he was

1182
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: telling you, Yeah, people was showing their emotions like nah,

1183
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: he nice. It ain't no watching no clips and nobody

1184
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: missing those shots. And they're like, nah, bro, he's serious.

1185
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1186
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 5: You're a master at art of drivening.

1187
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: Now you're in the new generation and y'all just last year,

1188
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: y'all traded for one of the best drivelers ever to.

1189
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: Be in the game.

1190
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 5: To have him on your team and to see him

1191
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 5: now live in person, you.

1192
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: Like, what type of going on?

1193
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 5: What type of I was that like conversation that like

1194
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 5: when y'all see each other, it's all smiles.

1195
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: It's all smiles because I know it's Pops forever. So

1196
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: I need God like young and we just really like,

1197
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: especially when we got him, just really talk about He

1198
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: always asked me questions about like back in the days

1199
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. You know, it's funny because like

1200
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: when he first came, like, oh yeah, cool, now we

1201
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: got the second best dribbler in the NBA, you know

1202
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Stuff like that, So you know, we

1203
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: would play horse and do dribble stuff and I'll be like, yo,

1204
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: I still got it, Like we do stuff back and forth.

1205
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: This is amazing to see the things that he can

1206
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: do because like he's one of another person like I

1207
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: was talking about Steph earlier, like he's one of the

1208
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: people that.

1209
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: Got got it all. It ain't just boil him. He

1210
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: got all.

1211
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: Layups, you know, shots everything, and he's just a great persons,

1212
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: a great player, and you know he's always trying to

1213
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: teach the young guys on the team. And like I said,

1214
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: he he asked questions about like back in the day,

1215
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: growing up, about how basketball was, and.

1216
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: He's just got that soul. I misunderstood he is in

1217
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: the confusion.

1218
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: It's surrounded because we met him, we know him from

1219
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 4: a young boy when he and Jeff Westling, Like Bro,

1220
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 4: the ability he possesses and his ability, Like Bro, his

1221
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: game is second to none. Bro, Like he is unfreaking real,

1222
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 4: And I just I just want to see him be

1223
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 4: able to go out there and play without all of

1224
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 4: the BS no distraction, just just put on, because like Bro,

1225
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 4: you are too special and you got too much to

1226
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: give to the game to not be out there for whatever.

1227
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 4: I don't care whatever he is, I just missed what

1228
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 4: we just see you playing. It ain't no bsny because

1229
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 4: like when we were I don't care who you are.

1230
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: If you like basketball. When you watch that kid play basketball, boy,

1231
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 4: it moves you. That boy is I don't care. That's why.

1232
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: That's why they're going to see this year like stuff

1233
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: like that, because like you said, Cod special like inside outside,

1234
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: not just on the basketball quad, as a person a person. Yeah,

1235
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: the person he's special, you know what I'm saying. That's

1236
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 2: why when people say stuff, I'm.

1237
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: Like, do you know him? I don't know him the

1238
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 3: first time? Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And like

1239
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: you know, like we're in the basketball community, we know

1240
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: how that is. You know what I'm saying.

1241
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: You and four other players if you had to choose

1242
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: that you play with or you wanted to play with

1243
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: in the Ruckert, who would be your other four?

1244
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: Oh man, it would be Future Okay Master Rob Dancing Dougie,

1245
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: Lloyd Daniels.

1246
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 3: And sleep On Lloyd Daniels.

1247
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: And uh Terminate from Termina. Those are the superheroes. Those

1248
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 2: are Avengers right there.

1249
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 5: And you grew up on the block of Ali a black.

1250
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 3: One I got when I got drafted.

1251
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: When I got drafted to the Wizards, I was like, Yo,

1252
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: it's somebody on my block right now, six seven that

1253
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: could do everything I do, right now, yeah, that's why

1254
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: I was like hurt because like people really never like

1255
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: in this ever, they because they would be able to

1256
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: see him if he was like he was so especially

1257
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 2: he was like that when I first met.

1258
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 5: Him, like he was the first when I watched that

1259
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 5: tape and I seen him.

1260
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: You don't want to like they want. His whole family

1261
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: was nice. His whole family is shout out, man, this

1262
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 3: was real.

1263
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: Man.

1264
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: I appreciate you know that man that got a name

1265
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: god Sham sham.

1266
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 4: Years old when I learned that back then, feeling New

1267
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 4: York love. He was weak though he wasn't in this

1268
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 4: crowd you know, think he will bop me, you know, No, Definitely,

1269
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 4: I appreciate y'all man. Definitely, Knucklehead is definitely the show

1270
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 4: you know, definitely be on every time I watch y'all.

1271
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: Y'a always do great interviews. So it's all love that man.

1272
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

1273
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:18,600
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1274
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,360
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1275
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,000
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1278
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1280
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1281
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