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Speaker 1: a little fucked up, so I can't scream and yell.

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Speaker 1: I am Michael Rapport, What Up? What Up? What up?

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Speaker 1: All right? Dallas? Usually I scream and yell when I

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Speaker 1: come out I I I yellow myself, but I'm on

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Speaker 1: a no I yellow diet. If you guys are really good,

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a special show. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you that right now that we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: But I want to clear the air because me and

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Speaker 1: Tony Dors said, or like Troy Aikman. No disrespect to

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo, but you guys should be fucking glad that

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Speaker 1: He had a great run, but it wasn't great enough.

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Speaker 1: And I apologize because I know Dallas loves their sports.

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Speaker 1: Dennis Smith Jr. He's he had. He had the greatest

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna bring some dudes to the stage. We're

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Speaker 1: was a good time, all right, Mason, you could start

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Speaker 1: now that I know that, yeah, I want to trade right,

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Speaker 1: and it was spun to make him the bad guy.

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Speaker 1: And I hate that type of stuff. Now, now, how

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Speaker 1: there's in a, there's a there's different levels two players

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Speaker 1: And I think for somebody that's brought a championship to Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: to leave Lebron So so I know you, you're not

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Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, Lebron likes to fight. He he likes

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Speaker 1: so you know, like you know, everything's happening right, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get there, you know, Like I'm like, you know,

422
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: gonna be cool and normal, like I'm you know, inside,

423
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck? But then you get to

424
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: a thing where that director says action and he's doing

425
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: his thing, and I'm like, you know, like I'm there

426
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like in it. But you know, as soon

427
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: as they say cut, you know, and there a minute

428
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: walks away, a minute passes, I'm like very aware, like

429
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: that's my fucking guy who when you were were you

430
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: on the court with where you had that moment when

431
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: you were like first in the league. So it was

432
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: Rashid Wallace. That's for me because I watched him in

433
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: Portland's and I don't think you. I mean, he's one

434
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: of the most talented players to ever play this game.

435
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: I mean, for whatever reason, he's not on that level.

436
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 1: But for me, it was just like I should not

437
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: be out here guarding him. I should be on the

438
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: bench right now. How good was she? He was like

439
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: ahead of his time because he was like a stretch

440
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: four before there was stretched four. Let me tell you

441
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: what happened pulling the table, you know where she talks

442
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: a lot of smack. Right, So they threw the ball

443
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: into Rashid and I'm right there, like she takes the ball.

444
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: He looks over. He goes, oh my gosh, you put

445
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: him on me. I'm gonna I'm gonna lock this dude up.

446
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: There's no way I'm allowing him to do that. It's like, oh,

447
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: I'm hit him with a fade away hit me with

448
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: a fade away, high release. I jumped as high as

449
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: I could, didn't matter, kissed it off the glass. So

450
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm out that. That is where I felt the most

451
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: embarrassed ever in my life. And you were young. He

452
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: looked at the coach at our coach, you put him

453
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: on me during the game. During he took a look.

454
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: You know how you know we catch the ball in

455
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: the post. You gotta take a look, right, He looked

456
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: right at my coach for you. How old were you

457
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: when you came in the league with Joan? Eighteen years

458
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: old from Houston, Texas, from Houston, Texas, out of high school,

459
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: out of school. So you make it to the NBA

460
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: your first game, you're eighteen years old, So what was

461
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: your first moment where you're like, I'm here, I'm gonna

462
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: tell you what happened. Fucking nuts that you were eighteen

463
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: years of the first day I walked into gym. This

464
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 1: is the year I got drafted. It was a lockout year,

465
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: so we didn't actually start and I think till like January.

466
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: So obviously we couldn't work out at the facility. UH couldn't.

467
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: So after the lock I was over, we report. I

468
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: reported to Seattle and this is a week before training

469
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: camp start and uh me and Julyna mccau we was

470
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: both rookies that year, and some guy when of the

471
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: trainers came and picked us up to bring us to

472
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Speaker 1: the gym. So as soon as we walk in the gym,

473
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: they're already playing pickup game. They're already playing up and down.

474
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: As soon as we stepped into gym, Gary Payton is

475
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: drilling the ball off the court and he stops the

476
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: game in the middle. As soon as we walk in,

477
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: he stops the game. He just stopped driving. He looks

478
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: over at me and Juli, What the funk have y'all been? Wait,

479
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: while are y'all late? What the funk are y'all doing?

480
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: Y'all supposed to be here early, y'all supposed to be

481
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: getting up shots. And when Gilanni looked at each other,

482
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: and we pointed to the trainer and he was like,

483
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk. I was supposed to be here.

484
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: I had my home boys pick y'all up, so and

485
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: he was just going off for like five ten minutes.

486
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: And that's how I met Gary. I'm a rookie year.

487
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: That's just that's how I met him. As soon as

488
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Speaker 1: I walked in the gym. And I'm a kid, I'm

489
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: a teenager. You know, I don't know what the hell

490
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting myself into. I just know I'm nervous already.

491
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: I just know I need to come in here and

492
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: just bust my ass and work. Just run, just run everywhere.

493
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: And as soon as we step in, he cussed us out.

494
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: So I went and to my little shild like, oh, ship,

495
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: how long did it take you to come out of it? Well,

496
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: once we started playing pick up, I mean, I felt

497
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: like he was on the court and I had to

498
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: go out there and play harder. I wasn't necessarily making

499
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: threes all. I just played like a Tasmanian devil, rebounding

500
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: and just loose balls. I just did whatever. I just

501
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: played hard because I didn't want him to yell at me.

502
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I was scared as hell and it worked out. Bib

503
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: you when you were how old were you when you

504
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: came out of Arizona? Um? I just turned twenty when

505
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: you in the same draft, Well, year was a christ

506
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: so he came in at the same time, and you're

507
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: a national champion. You're in Arizona. I left after my

508
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: sophomore year. But the freshman year. Okay, So what was

509
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: that first time where you were like, oh, ship, um

510
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: at that I'm here at the draft when you know,

511
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: when you go up there, you get your hat and

512
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, like I start, I said, you're still a

513
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: kid at you know, nineteen twenty years old, and um,

514
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: just to fulfill my dream was good enough for me,

515
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: no matter how good I did playing whatever, just get

516
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: drafted was good enough for me. And that's that's absolutely

517
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: what is? What? What is? Uh? Former Commissioner David Stern's

518
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: hands feel like? Are they clammy? Are they soft? Moisture?

519
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: Small and hard? Small and hard better than small and soft?

520
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna get one more story and I'm

521
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: gonna let you guys go. E. Scalabrini. You played on

522
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: the world champion Boston Celtics, who this this this season

523
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: for some reason, the start of the Big Three, So

524
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: you'd give him the mic. G you know, raise my

525
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: man because I played with Ray and this. Yeah, and

526
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: then we played together in Miami, won a championship together,

527
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: so I I don't know the truth story, but I

528
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: gotta have my man back. So what the fund happened?

529
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: They hate Gray? Here's how they became the real Housewives

530
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: of Boston. You know how in the NBA, those guys

531
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: and those those and Jordan was like this, guys who

532
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: fabricate stories in their head to motivate themselves. That year

533
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: when Ray went to Miami, they made this like us

534
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: against the world mentality, even though even though they tried

535
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: to trade Ray that year, even though they started Avery Bradley.

536
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: You know when a guy leaves just like, well, he

537
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: went to Miami. So you you say, all right, forget that.

538
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: It's it's us against them and those guys by far

539
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: the most competitive team I've ever been around. The funniest story.

540
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: You're you're gonna want the arm wrestling story, but I'll

541
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: show you this one. If Sam Cassell was on our team,

542
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: if if we were like, all right, let's watch film.

543
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: And you know how sometimes the film, got messes it

544
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: up real quick, right If he messed it up like

545
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: one second, Sam Wild bring out the dice like hold that,

546
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: and it was like, that's our team. We were gambling

547
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: all the time, dice cards, bet on a free throw,

548
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: bet on the three, bet on half corp, bet on

549
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about Paul piers Keim going that, Uh, it

550
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: was one more guy I could remember because the All

551
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: Star Game. I made the All Star Game. I don't

552
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: know which All Star it was. But halftime we come

553
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: in Coach getting ready to give us speech. They dealing cars,

554
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's halftime of All Star Game, and

555
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: they're like, let's go, Let's go so so so Mike

556
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: wants the arm wrestling story. So the arm wrestling story

557
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: is that that two weeks before this event where everyone's

558
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: arm wrestling everyone, and you know, Big Baby is really

559
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: just like mowing down you guys know Big Baby Davis. Okay,

560
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: by the way, he freak of nature when it comes

561
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: to how strong he is, but he's just mowing down

562
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: the competition. You know, I think he messed up Eddie's shoulder,

563
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: but two weeks of arm wrestling and and everyone's wrestling

564
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: arm wrestling happened on the plane where we're like we

565
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: were the big Baby arm wrestling that happened everywhere. So

566
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: it went on for two weeks. Finally, in the middle

567
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: of a card game, KG stands up and like a funk,

568
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: sit down, we're about the arm wrestle. So you know

569
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking right away, like I just saw a

570
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: big baby mow down the whole team like it was easy.

571
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, this is gonna be the moment This

572
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be the one moment where Kevin Garnett loses.

573
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the moment where like we're gonna

574
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: see his ego hurt. And I mean I was convinced.

575
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: So they sit down and it's ready set boom, and

576
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: right away he started looking at him like, I ain't moving, funk,

577
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: I ain't moving, and he just started sweating, just started,

578
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it started coming off. I ain't moving, funk,

579
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: I ain't moving, and he just sat there. I'm not moving,

580
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: big Babies, And when I am moving, I ain't moving.

581
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I minute thirty later, I guess Big Baby got tired.

582
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of got tired when he played

583
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: big that's my guy. By the way, he's my guy.

584
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: KG just started and I mean, I'm telling you there's

585
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: no possible way he should have won that. But he

586
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: came down and he won. Then he stood up, he

587
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: turned around, had his wife beater, ran sweat, and he's like,

588
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 1: I'm the super back up in this motherfucker. Go y'all

589
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: ever forget it? And we were like, damn And the

590
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: only guy that had it back with Paul Pierce, I

591
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: got ten thousand on KG. Everybody tricked the money, every

592
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: bat bat bat bat he won. He beat everybody. He

593
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: won the bat. Everybody thought the only guy that had

594
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: Kg's back, everybody else bet against them. And this happened

595
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: on a planet up in the air. The most competitive

596
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: group I've ever been around. It's not even close. All right, listen,

597
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you guys go text me what's going

598
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: on with the fight. I can't tell you how much

599
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate all four. Are you coming up here in

600
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: rocking with me? I'm sort of proud of he says it,

601
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: And I'll see everybody in the ball keep these guys ahead.

602
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: That was dope, all right? How's everybody feeling? The shooter

603
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: is in the young shooters in l a. Well, we

604
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: could have brought him here, because we brought him to

605
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: San Francisco and the crowd like they like mold him.

606
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: All right, So Sean Louis told a great story about

607
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: Gary Payton. So right now I'm gonna bring out motherfucking

608
00:35:47,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: Gary Payton. Hit out he hold up to get carrying Mike.

609
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: I see y'all down here cussing the ship out of everybody. Well, Gary,

610
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do all that bullshit. You know what

611
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Well, fuck it. Then I'm with it right

612
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: all right, before I get to Gary payment because who

613
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: listens to the Iron Wrap or stereo podcast? Now? Now,

614
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: when I was telling people to come to this to

615
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: this podcast, I I said something at the end. I said,

616
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: I tell you if if you come to the show,

617
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna What did I say? I said, I was

618
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: gonna blow your fucking mind? Right, And I'm not one

619
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: of these people. So when I tell you we sell

620
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: butter Soft T shirts, I'm selling butter Soft T shirts.

621
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: When I'm telling you I'm gonna blow your fucking mind,

622
00:36:47,400 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: I bring ice Cube to stage. Yeah, So I'm in

623
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: heaven right now because when we started this little podcast,

624
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: I never thought I would be doing a live show

625
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: in Dallas, and I never thought that I'd be on

626
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: the stage here in Dallas for the Big Three with

627
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: Gary Payton, Hall of Famer, NBA Champion, Hall of Fame,

628
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: Ship Talker and Cube. I'm gonna just I'm gonna just

629
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: tell you this right now because I've i've I've fond

630
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: over these guys on the court, and I look at

631
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: you as sort of a contemporary as a business person.

632
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: But when I go home after the Big Three games,

633
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: when I went home after I auditioned with you in

634
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: higher Learning, when I went home after doing my day's

635
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: work on next Friday, I always said, I cannot fucking

636
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: believe I got to work with Ice Cube. But I

637
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: was such a fan before I knew you, and I

638
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: can't if you guys came to do that. Well, let

639
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: me tell you something that see he don't know this

640
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: though I ain't told him. Though you know, we were

641
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: cool like that. But every day I listened to him

642
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: on I rock him every day on my iPad when

643
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm on the plane, I listened to straight him. I

644
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: got everyone is Is albums in my iPad and I

645
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: rocked him. You know what I'm saying, and you know

646
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: which one is the right one? No, Vassiline. So yeah,

647
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. I appreciate all the love

648
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: man for rap g P man. That ain't nothing but

649
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: loved man. You know, that's what you're doing for, you know,

650
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: for people that you respect, people that you love, you

651
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to love what you do, respect

652
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: what you do, you know what I mean, That's what

653
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: it's all about. You know. Ultimately, Well, I appreciate it.

654
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna keep you guys that long, so I'm

655
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna just throw this at you like this cute.

656
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: Did you ever like when you left, We're gonna get

657
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: right into hip hop? When you left n w A,

658
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: that decision that seemed like the craziest decision in the world.

659
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: This is like a hip hop group that became like

660
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: a rock and roll group. You're selling records. We it

661
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: appears to the to the to the fans that you're

662
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: making money. Obviously that was one of the reasons that

663
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: you left. Did you ever imagine that you would go

664
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: from the image the Prisonna of ice Cube n w A,

665
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: The Prisonna of ice Cube, the the the solo hip

666
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: hop artist too. I mean, like to becoming like like

667
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: an icon and like to creating, like to becoming like

668
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: you're like a Steve Jobs type of motherfucker. Like you

669
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: had this idea to create this Big Three league, and

670
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people could come up with that,

671
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: and you could. You could attest to the fact that

672
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: even with everything that you've put into it, it's still

673
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: a challenge. So when you when when you look back

674
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: at your career, the question I have is, like, are

675
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: you like ever like I can't believe that I wound

676
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: appear from when you had the crack tooth and the

677
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: Jerry Curls ship. Um, Like did you see it coming?

678
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: Or like, I mean you can't. You can't see this coming.

679
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: You can't see it coming. You just gotta, you know,

680
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: do good work. You gotta put in good work. You

681
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: gotta believe in yourself, believe in your ideas. You know,

682
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: even if everybody tell you you're crazy. I mean everybody

683
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: told me I was crazy. When it came to the

684
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: Big Three. It was like, man, you have a nice,

685
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: comfortable life, you know what I'm saying. Why do you

686
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: want to throw yourself into eighteen hour days to try

687
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: to pull this off and we did it in six months.

688
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: But the thing is this, it's really all about determination.

689
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: It's all about recognizing your opportun tune of these and

690
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: it's all about not holding yourself back. So you know,

691
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: that's really what it's all about. And um, and when

692
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: you grow up like we grew up, it's really courage

693
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: is there. The courage is there. So nothing gonna scare you,

694
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, nothing gonna scare us. So

695
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: we got the courage. We just need you know, uh, people,

696
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: good people to work with. And I got a great

697
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: team of people that that helped me. You know, you

698
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: don't get here by yourself. You don't do these things

699
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: by yourself. You know, you have great people. And I

700
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: mean g P. You know, to achieve the things that

701
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: he achieved on the basketball court, he'll tell you, you know,

702
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: coming all the way up, it took people to help

703
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: him become the glove. It ain't just one man doing it.

704
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: And let me ask this because guy, you're a fan

705
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: and we'll jump back to basketball. You're a fan of

706
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: hip hop, and I want both of you guys to

707
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: talk about I talk about this all the time. I'm

708
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: just a fan of hip hop. I have no stake

709
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: in it. I made no money off of it. I'm

710
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: just a fan. I'm so worried concerned about where we're going.

711
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: There's good artists, you know, but there's so many fair

712
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: weather rappers. Like as a fan of hip hop, as

713
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: a fan of as a participant, as an icon, as

714
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: a pillar of the ship. Where's your head at with

715
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: hip hop right now? Just as like an overseer, as

716
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: somebody who like, you're part of it, You're part of

717
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: building it where people can, just like Kylie Jenner can

718
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: post an Instagram video with some random rapper and then

719
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: the random rapper sends a million, it sells a million records.

720
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: Like that's where we're at right now. Like the whole

721
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: thing considering like when what do you see when when

722
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: I asked you like about the landscape of hip hop? Well,

723
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: I see you know where it's always been. It's where

724
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: it's always been. You have the artists and you have

725
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: a whole bunch that sucks. You know what I'm saying.

726
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: That's that's always been in hip hop, you know. Um,

727
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: so that's not gonna change. You know what what's great

728
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: is you get to see these guys who when they

729
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: do come out and they stand light years ahead of

730
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: the rest. You really you could get to see the

731
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: artists that has come out of the muck to to shine,

732
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: and that's that's great too. Uh So, I'm always in

733
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: love with hip hop. Um, you know, rappers come and go,

734
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: but hip hop is to me the kind of the

735
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: form of of of street creation, you know what I mean,

736
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: done that at the highest level, and it's just it's

737
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: to me, it's always great to see what people come

738
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: up with. So I'm a fan on the whole different level.

739
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: And GP is like, you got me up here and

740
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: asked me a fucking question. Man, I'm damn sitting up here,

741
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: Come up here to go to sleep. He ain't talking,

742
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: pulled me off out the hotel, you know what I mean.

743
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: And she he got shipped to do ship with QB

744
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: and ship he reading this ship. So I'm with it. TV.

745
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna throwing to seal what jumped into basketball?

746
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: I was asking for Sean Lewis, what was the first

747
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: time when he when he got drafted eighteen years old,

748
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: you know where he was like, oh, Ship, I can't

749
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: believe in the NBA And he said, you're loud ass,

750
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: was that person? So for you, who was the what

751
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: was the first sort of like I can't believe I

752
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: made it moment when you got into the league, when

753
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: you were just out of Oregon, You're young, loud, abrasive.

754
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: What was that moment where you were like or did

755
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: you never have that like, oh ship moment? Were you

756
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: always just so cocky? I can't imagine that. You tell

757
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: me what was that first time, that old ship moment?

758
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: When Michael Jordan told my ass up in the first

759
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: game the city had thirty five and I had like zero.

760
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Here I said on the bench, your rookie year, My

761
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: rookie year year. Because I played him in um preseason

762
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: and I had a good game against him, and then

763
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: well I didn't understand is in preseason they don't play

764
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Hey, Ship, they just be

765
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: bullsh in the ground, you know. And he he was

766
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: a man, so you know, I thought I did something.

767
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: I had like twenty one on him and stuff, and

768
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: he had to him talking crazy and then all of

769
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: a sudden the first game we had to play him

770
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: in Seattle, and we went out to the to the

771
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: tip and he said, hey, hey, young fellow, mine don't

772
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: nobody guard him while he in the game. So then

773
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I had two files in about

774
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: one minute and stuff, and then sat on the bench

775
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: man and then I said, Wow, this is it man,

776
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I knew I had to step my

777
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: game up when all this talk. You know, I think

778
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: it's a silly conversation, but it's good for podcasting and

779
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Q you could you could answer this. People talk Jordan,

780
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: he's sort of by himself, but there's this Kobe Lebron,

781
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, Magic Larry, you know Isaiah, you know, but

782
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: it really comes down to these three people. It's Jordan's

783
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: Lebron Lebron, Kobe qb or in l A dude, you

784
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: played against all these dudes, you played with them. Who's

785
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: the best basketball player out of all of them? Or

786
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: is it unanswerable? Let me ask you that cute? They

787
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: all they all different and it ain't nobody could compare

788
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: to Jordan, and nobody compare to Kobe. Ain't nobody could

789
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: compare to Lebron. I think they all in different different

790
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: different um errors to me, Uh, everybody's gonna say Jordan

791
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: was the best, which he could be that you can't

792
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: have a fight for that. But you gotta still understand

793
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: you still got the magics, you still got the Kareems,

794
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: you still got a lot of people that could play basketball.

795
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't compare them. I can't compare

796
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: them like that. I think they all their own person.

797
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: They're all gonna be great. You know, they're talking about

798
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore. You should be about twenty round people on

799
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore. So I don't compare them. I think all

800
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: of them is right. They're all good. Ain't nobody better

801
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: than the other one. I played against all of them,

802
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: wasn't scared than one of them. Gave them all the blues,

803
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: so should I gave him all the blues, So it's right.

804
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: They gave me the blues back. So it was good.

805
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: You know. It's just it's a fight, and I think

806
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: all of them is good. Now if they want to

807
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: handle it, you know, they can sign up for the

808
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: Big Three next year. We can see different areas get down,

809
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's no problem because we

810
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: got different areas out there playing against each other. Kobe Kobe,

811
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: Kob Kobe half court. This would be beautiful for Kobe.

812
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Get fifty. You you guarded these dudes you were known

813
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: for being a defensive person, but in all like you

814
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: had in both sides. But the defense is what people

815
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: talk about, which is a rare thing, especially for a

816
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: point guard, especially for somebody who doesn't shut the funk up,

817
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: Like usually the defensive guys are quiet, you know, they

818
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: just want to do their job. That Joe Dumars, you

819
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: know what, Robbie wasn't really like that, but but for

820
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: somebody that was. I mean, but you made defense cool,

821
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: like you made defense on with the offense like, and

822
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: you did it in such a you know, for both

823
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: aggressive way. Which is the guy that was like, like,

824
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: what we're there tending here? Kobe and Jordan's If somebody

825
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: your grandson fifty years from now, what was it like, Guarden,

826
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan? What was it like? Guarden? Kobe? What are

827
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: you telling them? Fun? Hell of fun? You know it was.

828
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: It was really fun to me because I like, I

829
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: look forward to Guarden Jordan's because that was that was

830
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: he was a premier guy in offense, and I was

831
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: a premier guy on defense. Uh. But if I want

832
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: to say the two that there was more difficult, um,

833
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: I would say Kobe because the simple fact is is

834
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: that he ran around and did more than Jordan. Jordan

835
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: would go onto the block and you know where you

836
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: can go, and I could try to prevent him from

837
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: getting there. You know, Kobe would do a lot of

838
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: more things because he wanted to score a lot more

839
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 1: than than than Jordan was. But Jordan was the most

840
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: sufficient one. He was more efficient, you know. So Lebron

841
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: is just bigger. He was a bigger guy. I had

842
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: to get up and underneath him. I only got to

843
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: guard him for a couple of years, but I had

844
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: to get under him and and and get take away

845
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: his legs. The most difficult guy for me to have guard,

846
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: and we haven't even talked about it is John Stoctor.

847
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, because um, he hounds the ball. No, he

848
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: ain't dirty. We just stupid because we get we get

849
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: picks and ship we get caught on the picks, you know. So,

850
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: but I think because he handled the ball most of

851
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: the time of the time. When you got a guy

852
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: that's that's got the ball all the time coming off picks, um,

853
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, setting picks, doing other things, then he shoots

854
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: the ball only twelve times and he makes nine. He

855
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: gets sixteen assists. He shoots nine ten free throws, and

856
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: he makes nine and then all of a sudden that

857
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: you look around, he has seven rebounds, and then all

858
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden he has um probably about four or

859
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: five steals. Look at his stats if he got twenty

860
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: sixteen having five steals and all of that, and he's

861
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: shooting fifty two or fifty five percent from the line.

862
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: Who do you want to guard that that he I

863
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: don't want to guard him because he too much. Did

864
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: he ever get like he seemed like he was almost

865
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: like robotic. Did he get phased by any of you?

866
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: You you getting in him like he'd ignore you engaged back. Yeah,

867
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: he ignore me. See that. I hated him for to

868
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: a passion because I could talk ship to him and

869
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: he would just look at me like I'm stupid. And

870
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: then he just walked home. And then I'm like, yo,

871
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: you don't hear what the hell I'm saying to you?

872
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: And then he just keep walking, you know, the dirty

873
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: socks and all you know what I'm saying. And that's

874
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,959
Speaker 1: just the way the game was. And then I got

875
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: smart and I stopped talking to him, and then I

876
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: just start punishing him, you know, putting him on the

877
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: block and punish him a little bit more, punished him here,

878
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: and then he starts switching up. He started having Buyron

879
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: Russell Guarden. So I said, okay, yeah, that's good. Let

880
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: me get away from him, you know. So it was

881
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: it was one of them things. And and who was

882
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,479
Speaker 1: the person like that? Would would that? Would you would

883
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: be like talked out? Who would give you a sore throat?

884
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: That we're I would keep talking back to you, like

885
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: if I said to you, who is your favorite ship talker?

886
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: Like who would you asked Reggie Miller? Yeah, Reggie, Reggie

887
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: talked to you that much. But I try to talk.

888
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: And he had talked right back, and then he had

889
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: hit the three in your face, and then he had

890
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: come back and hit another three in your face and

891
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: then be like, boy, I'm saying you know what I'm

892
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, and then you gotta go at him,

893
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: and then he don't want to guard you with his

894
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: scary ass he over there, you know, so you can't

895
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: go back at him. So you know, you know, Reggie, boy,

896
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: he talked too much, talk to you that much? You

897
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: tell you I'm talking too much? Now? He talked too much.

898
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: That motherfucker talked too much and then he busted your

899
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: ass with three You know what he took. He took

900
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: everything personal. You know that after he retired, I ran

901
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: into him in the club saying something to you. He

902
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: said something to me like he wanted to fight me.

903
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: I said, it's over you. You did great man. We

904
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: made you a Hall of Famer without us, without without

905
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: spiked me and all this ship would taking. He's like,

906
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: you're done talking ship. I was like, yeah, I'm I'm

907
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: not even a part of the team. Man for the

908
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: guy he said that to me, I was like, I mean,

909
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: you got that dumbass Knicks hat on. What's your ship? Yeah?

910
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: You gotta take that man, right, that's it, and his

911
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: funeral black and ship his funeral black, because you know

912
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: that was the two thousand seventeen Knicks for Knicks had

913
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: the funeral black, funeral black. All right, give him his

914
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: hat back, please, somebody. Yeah, y'all gotta give his hatback. Swag. No, No,

915
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: you know what your Trump had here? Then shoot you

916
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: kick your ass to body here. How the fun you

917
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: got that? In hell? You got a Trump hat? Wrong

918
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: with you? Yeah? This is both It's crazy, man. You

919
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: gotta be drunk. Smell that man burn out of sitting

920
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: that rad shirt on to get that ship up out

921
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: of yours. The fun is going on. Man, wait a

922
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: security here, y'all. Good man, get your big three? All right?

923
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: I said, I told you always gonna suck your heads up.

924
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: Like I'm really like tripping out because I knew this.

925
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a great podcast, and it's gonna get

926
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: greater because I'm gonna bring up two more people, yes,

927
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: out of here. I'm gonna bring up NBA champion Dallas

928
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: Maverick to Shawan Stevenson, I know you're here. Yeah. And

929
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: then while just Shawing is getting us to the stage,

930
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: because I'm tripping out that I actually got these people

931
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: at that at this podcast, I'm I'm I'm going out.

932
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: I let you go. I'm gonna let you go. We're

933
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: playing musical chairs. I'm gonna bring out, in my opinion,

934
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: the true King of New York, Charles Oakley kicking all right, Yeah,

935
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm bugging out all right. So Deshan, you know what

936
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let cube. You want to go watch a

937
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: fight here? All right? All right? All right, because I'm

938
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: like you want to go out, Shawn's like I want

939
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: to watch the fucking fight too, al right, DeShawn Dallas Mavericks.

940
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: When you look back at that time, my man's skin

941
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: was refreshing. My memory about that time was that championship year.

942
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: There was games where you didn't play. But when it

943
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: got to playoff time, from what I heard, Jay Kidd

944
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: and Dirk were like, we need to show on, we

945
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: need to show on starting what do you? What do you?

946
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: What do you? What? Is like your memory of that

947
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: time in Dallas and winning that championship, Well, I was

948
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: kind of like a throw in with that trade, you know, uh,

949
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: Brendan Haywood and Crime Butlers. So when I got here,

950
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: I really didn't play. Uh there was really high on

951
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: Roddy BOUBOI. I think he broke his foot. Yeah, that's

952
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: what happened. Bro broke his foot. They threw me the

953
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: starting line up. We won like twenty games in a row.

954
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: Roddy Boboil came back. They sent me on the bench

955
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: for like three months, and then Dirk and then was like, Yo,

956
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 1: we're not gonna win a fucking championship if you don't

957
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: put the shoan back and starting line up. And they did,

958
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: and we won, And how much fun was that because

959
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: as a fit, I've been very open. It's much as

960
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: I respect Lebron and I don't take anything away from

961
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: everything he's done on the court and what he's accomplished.

962
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: But with the first running Cleveland, you know, the running

963
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: in in Miami and then back to Cleveland, but that

964
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: that that when I go from Cleveland to Miami, the

965
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: way it was done and how it was done, I

966
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: feel like the whole NBA to this day is still

967
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: playing catch up. They're all trying to like team up.

968
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: We have to team up, you know. And you know,

969
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: of course, you you want to have, you know, the

970
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: best team, you want to have the best podcast, you

971
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: want the best everything. But I feel like people are

972
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: skipping the process, you know. And I hated that fucking

973
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: Miami Heat team. I hated them, and you you see

974
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: that I'll say this. I'll I'll say this because you

975
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: seem to like play with that same chip. I mean,

976
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: you had it wherever you went. But Dallas, you, Jason Terry,

977
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: like those guys like that, you had that like fuck

978
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: these guys mentality? What can I let me say something

979
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: about that? You know why Dallas be mam, that's serious.

980
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: Dallas had a better coach Dallas. He had they had dirt.

981
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: It was like three against one. But Dirk adjust to

982
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: the game. He stopped shooting threes and he went to

983
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: the midspost. He's went from three driven from the baskett

984
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: to one driver. Dallas found it out the weakness against

985
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: Miami that Boss couldn't check dirt and they post him

986
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: up pitch posting dirt. Just that was a big difference

987
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: the game to me. But he can tell you more

988
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: about that's the mean, but let's watching the game. X boggles.

989
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: He was just like Pat Rallison. He gave the job,

990
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: he learned on the job. A lot of coaches do that.

991
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: So you know, even though Mammy came back and win

992
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: after that, they gave me a lot of credit. But still,

993
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, Lebron was the high i Q and basketball

994
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: problem l with him. Imagic to me. So they figured out,

995
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, the team beat you the next year, you

996
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: come back and you always you swelled to win when

997
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: you come back the second time, like the gold to

998
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: take the first Saturday the second time. That's our basketball goal.

999
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: You want to get better at one player if you lose,

1000
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: not four or five, right, Okay, go ahead, No, no, no, no, sorry, no,

1001
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: less dude, just showing like what was the mentality. Obviously

1002
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: there's respect, you're all pros, you're all great, so it's

1003
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: not like this craziness that's in the fans heads. But

1004
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: there was a little bit it seemed like a sense

1005
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: from that team like no, you guys ain't just coming

1006
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: in here and doing this ship right away. It's not happening.

1007
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: I think we just had like a bunch of like mixture.

1008
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: We had old school with Jason Kidd. You know, when

1009
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: I came in the league, my uh my veterans was

1010
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: Calm Alone and John Stockton, So you know, I came

1011
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: in a situation where I was getting punked by the

1012
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: old heads. You know that that I came in Oakley

1013
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: was with the Wizards, GP, I think at that time

1014
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: was Miami Miami or the Laker or something like that.

1015
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: So when I came up, you can walk around and

1016
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: just you know they was they were son of you.

1017
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: So I grew up like I'm a son and next person,

1018
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, it happened to me. I thought gonna get one.

1019
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: I thought gonna be in a situation where I got

1020
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,919
Speaker 1: talked too crazy. I'm gonna talk to people crazy too,

1021
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: and I feel like we I felt like we had that.

1022
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: Then we had the passing selfishness and like he said,

1023
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: the coaching the place, Dirk was taking good quality shots

1024
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: and uh you know that time when it was coughing

1025
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: U d Wade and um uh Lebron James was coughing

1026
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: when the Dirk had the flu when they draw fifty,

1027
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: that's when I was like, yeah, we got this ring

1028
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker. Another thing, Dirk was the best offensive

1029
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: players for us shooting the ball. He might have been

1030
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: more efficient, but he was the best shooting the whole series.

1031
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: So it's hard to beat because Dirk was I mean

1032
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: he told about bird. Dirk was the beast. Mean where

1033
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: Dirk did against it was it was like Dirk, that's

1034
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: just like they're trying to compare this new junk to

1035
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: what's really was good at eight in the ninety. It

1036
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: ain't new comparison. You can't compare with eight guys on

1037
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: one song with a song on't even three minutes. I mean,

1038
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: come on with it. Stop playing these new rappers. I

1039
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: mean going the studio and find something. Be a man.

1040
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: It's a man game. They know, Like, really, we didn't

1041
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 1: need no cheery. Listen, You're gonna come out be a man.

1042
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: So you know what when you when you've been you've

1043
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: been a part of the NBA for for a long time,

1044
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: you're still a part of it. You know, you're part

1045
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: of the Big three. You're so respected when you see like,

1046
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna love the NBA, But when I see

1047
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: like the kids coming into the NBA and I want

1048
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: everybody to get their money. I mean, I got a

1049
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: great life. I'm blessed. But when I see the kids

1050
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: with these attitudes like death, few churns right off the bat.

1051
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, that's the thing that concerns me that, like,

1052
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's gotta be some steps, like take

1053
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: your time your nineteen. When you're twenty five, you're gonna

1054
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: be even better. You're gonna be only five. When you see,

1055
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: like what concerns you about the NBA just as a

1056
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: fan and as a participant. Disrespect no structure. I mean

1057
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: we drunk milk, they drank water. It's a big difference.

1058
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: And my thing is they keep saying it's a new league.

1059
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: When the rim don't change the size of the court

1060
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: up and down in five gays on the floor. It

1061
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: ain't never with a new game to me, because you

1062
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: still have known the fundamental it's no more fundamental instruction basketball.

1063
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,479
Speaker 1: That's why the best two or three team the East

1064
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: coast west go always gonna have the best chance of winning.

1065
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: But these younger guys, I mean they're sensitive. You said

1066
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: something about them, you know, I mean really some of them,

1067
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: Ship were addresses while they're playing basketball because they they

1068
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: like else. One of these motherfucker's gonna win a dress. Gerald,

1069
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: That's that's when your prediction. You said that. I said

1070
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: one of these motherfucker's gonna come out in the tunnel

1071
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: in the dress. I said it if it's for the day.

1072
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: So so who you think is that gonna that person

1073
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna be Westbrook Ship, I'm gonna tell you that he

1074
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: doesn't push the envelope with it. And I love what's

1075
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: the West We love this he Now you gotta do it.

1076
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: You gotta do it soon for this thing. I ain't

1077
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: gonna say no, that's they're gonna say that m VP.

1078
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna walk out in the dress. Man's what I

1079
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: tell you, That ain't gonna happen. Alright, that ain't gonna happen.

1080
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: He wint to living a Newton John ship now g P,

1081
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: we were, you know, and just in you know, you

1082
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: have a son that's a part of it. Like when

1083
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: you look at the league as a participant, as a fan,

1084
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: like I honestly, this is this is no bullshit. This

1085
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: week when the Kyrie thing, it was either this week

1086
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: or the top of last week when that thing was announced.

1087
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: I remember I heard about it in the morning. I

1088
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: was in the shower, and I was like, I could

1089
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: see myself in a few years, ten years where I

1090
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: don't care as much as I care now, Like when

1091
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: people see me talking about the league, when people see

1092
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: me getting upset about it, when I go on shows,

1093
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: it's really because I'm a fan and I care about it.

1094
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: You know, I care about the competition. I care about

1095
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, Real Housewives of New York

1096
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: is more interesting than the first and second round of

1097
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals, you know, Like I care about

1098
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: that there's no there's no risk factor for the Cleveland

1099
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 1: Cavaliers in the East because everything. Like I I care

1100
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 1: about the fact that Kyrie as much as I love

1101
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: and respect the ship out of him, you know, we'll

1102
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: just be like, you know, when he's got his own shoe.

1103
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: He's the man in Cleveland. He takes the last second shots.

1104
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: We'll want to leave there, despite the fact that it's Cleveland,

1105
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, Cleveland over. I'm sorry, no, IM gonna tell

1106
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: you why this is all going on, and we're gonna know.

1107
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 1: And Cuba contested this, and I think this is where

1108
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: he got the Big three concept from because he watched us.

1109
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: You remember he made the song the Lakers beat the SuperSonics.

1110
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: He's my ask I gotta get realized. But what happened is,

1111
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, my my son is in the league,

1112
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: but we gave him a super spoon. They grew up

1113
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: a little different, you know. They didn't grow up having

1114
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: to go on the playgrounds and play this three on

1115
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: three basketball and rougher out and get beat up, going

1116
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: to neighborhoods and do that. So when I came in

1117
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: the league, like like like de Sean said, he had

1118
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: an old head, I had. I had Xavier McDaniel, a

1119
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 1: dude that would break my neck. But if I didn't

1120
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: go get him breakfast at five o'clock in the morning,

1121
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: I see, I was a number two pick and I

1122
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: still had to get off the plane and the bigs

1123
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: on in the cold underneath the plane. They helped the

1124
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: other people. Then in the eight in the nineties, we

1125
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,479
Speaker 1: had players on our team. We had four and five

1126
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: good players that can make the to make the All

1127
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: Star team. The Knicks was all. It was always great.

1128
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: You know, you had them teams. We always had the Lakers,

1129
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: we had we had the Sonics, we had Sacramento, we

1130
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: had Phoenix. We had a lot of teams over there

1131
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: that have five players, Utah that have five or six players.

1132
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: You can make it. Portland's yeah, I said that. So

1133
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is it took me almost three

1134
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: years to start starting in the All Star Game because

1135
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: I had old heads in front of me. You know

1136
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that we have respect for that, you know,

1137
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: and that's what we did. We respected each other and

1138
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: did that. But then these kids nowadays, you're gonna understand

1139
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: they're getting drafted at nineteen after first pick, and then

1140
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: the next year they're still in a lottery and they

1141
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: get the second pick and you got another ninety year

1142
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: old you've drafted. So why would I respect you if

1143
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: you're the number one pick. I'm a number two pick

1144
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: and I'm making the same amount of money and I'm

1145
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: gonna make the amount of money you made. So they

1146
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: could cry to the NBA all the time talking about

1147
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: we don't want no um training camps, we don't want

1148
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: no double days. We only want four days and then

1149
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: we go to play in the games. That's crazy, you

1150
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We didn't have that when we

1151
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: was coming up. We had two weeks of double days

1152
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: and we worked and we worked, and we worked out

1153
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: two and ship and they can bring us in here

1154
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: and do what the hell they wanted to do, and

1155
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: we had to make it. And we had to sign

1156
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: a contract for seven and eight years for like one million.

1157
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: Now they signing four years to Hunted, So ship what

1158
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: you expet They're gonna run everything. So that's why you

1159
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: don't like basketball no more because the simple fact is

1160
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: it ain't like when we was there. That's why the

1161
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: people was liking our Big three because what they say,

1162
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: it reminds me of the old school days. What I'm saying,

1163
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: that's because we banged. We're banging this league. They like

1164
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: that because and that's why it's popular. Do you think

1165
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: there's a happy medium where the kids, the players can

1166
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: get what's rightfully theirs and make their money and they

1167
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: could sort of bring a more competitive playing field across

1168
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: the board. I'm not mad at them. I'm not never

1169
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: gets your money. I want everybody to get their money. Money.

1170
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: It's motherfucker with the trumpet, make your money. Anything about trump,

1171
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: motherfucker anything. Yeah. But what we think is, but is

1172
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: there a way to is there a way even the

1173
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: difference way the players could get with their words. And

1174
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: I want them to all get their money and keep

1175
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,479
Speaker 1: the competitiveness. And they're not gonna get competitive though, because

1176
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: they want This game is video. It's this music basketball

1177
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: so similar. It's laws of art music. The people who

1178
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: can just come up with them thoughts and minds and

1179
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: their grind stuff. I mean, it's all a radic. You know.

1180
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 1: The old guys are always gonna come with something like

1181
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: what they do best, gonna take a pioneers. When you're

1182
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: a leader, you got to lead, you know, when somebody

1183
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: said you ain't leave show be a copy cat. You

1184
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: can't do both the basketball and this new generation. They

1185
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: hook on themselves, They hook their funds. It's it's au.

1186
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: They figured that it's au. No matter what you say.

1187
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: What Lessard said, this and that we're gonna shoot threes.

1188
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: We can't shoot them. I think a lot to a

1189
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: lot of us, these young cast is soft. You know,

1190
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: Like back in the day, you had Gary Payton and

1191
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: Sean Kemp and some other people on the team, and

1192
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: they all knew they were the man. Nowadays it's like, Oh,

1193
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: you don't pass me the ball. I want to leave.

1194
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: Oh I don't have the commercial. I don't have to

1195
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: shoot there. I want to leave. When we come into town,

1196
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 1: they don't say Kyrie and the Cavaliers. It says Lebron

1197
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: and the Cavaliers. That's what these young castes on. Back

1198
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: in the day, it was all about bawling, getting your numbers, winning, winning,

1199
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: seeing the playoffs, seeing the towels go crazy. You know

1200
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what it was about back in

1201
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: the days. You're not gonna come to New York and

1202
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: have a party, and I know about it. I'm gonna

1203
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: photos thought lineup. I'm gonna come and tell you you

1204
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: funked up. Respect my stating and respect my team. Now

1205
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,839
Speaker 1: they have part of two days. It's just I do nothing.

1206
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: They have party to come in for in the morning.

1207
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: You know, I don't care the New York Knicks. The

1208
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: when when you got there, which, by the way, I

1209
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: think I told you this another Knicks story. God damn, man,

1210
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm with you all the time. I wanted to come

1211
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: up to me about New York. Third Damn remember when

1212
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: what year do you get traded the Knicks? The day

1213
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: you got traded, Me and this dude here walking to

1214
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: the sixth train crossed the street from the Lenox Hill

1215
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 1: House Hospital. It was during the spring, or like the

1216
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: late story in early summer. I was like, oh, Ship,

1217
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: there's Charles Oakley. You had the little fro. Wasn't all great?

1218
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: You still look fantastic. I said, y'all, oh, what the

1219
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: funk are you doing here? And you went like this,

1220
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: And this is before ESPN Twitter. He was like, I

1221
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: just got traded here and we were like, oh, Ship,

1222
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: And then we got on the train. You went into

1223
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: the hospital. I take for your physical absolutely. So when

1224
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: I got traded, it was basically like Michael Spinks and

1225
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: Tyson fight in Atlantic City. I mean, like, really before

1226
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: the bell sound I got traded to start to fight.

1227
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, hey, New York was great to me.

1228
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: I you know, I hope I gave the fans a

1229
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: great time. But I think that New York and stuff

1230
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: special and I tell everybody about you know, I've seen

1231
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: Q one time. They perform in New York back in

1232
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: the days. I mean, y'all everybody in New York just

1233
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: opening arms in the city, just embraced people. You know,

1234
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 1: it's a lot of things going to New York. But

1235
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, New York show love,

1236
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: you know. They it's not a hater. But I don't

1237
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: know what's going on with the Knicks. They just they

1238
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: they ain't been ship since they had you. They ain't

1239
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: been ship since they had you. They need to sign

1240
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: you to about a two year contract. Right now, we

1241
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: can talk about the Knicks. Yeah, man, nobody wants talking

1242
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: about the New York Dick. Let's go to something. They

1243
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: need leadership. I know you guys want to go watch this,

1244
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: but I want you guys to stand up. Thank these guys.

1245
01:11:22,680 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: Come on, yo, guys, star, Thank you guys. Four