1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: I Am six forty. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:05,959 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio. 4 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: App online KFIAM six forty dot com forward slash listen 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: to Doug mcatarre in for John and Ken. I'm here 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: till four o'clock. And we don't know about Timmy. Timmy's 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: not feeling good. Huh, so he may not be here 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: all that purell and he still got sick. How did 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: that happen? I don't know. I know the man's blood 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: is like forty percent purell at this might be maybe 11 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: fifty percent. So we're here till four and we got 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about, including of course, next hour, 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna chat with a really interesting author, Cliff Nesterhoff, 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: who has become basically the go to guy for the 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: history of comedy. He's got a brand new book out 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: called Outrageous, A History of show Business and the Culture Wars. 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: So we'll get into that next hour. And the culture 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 1: wars are ongoing in America right now, the first day 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: of Hanukkah, as we approach a holiday season and because 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: of the war against hamas in Gaza tree lighting ceremonies, 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: Minora lighting ceremonies, forget about it, fraught with tension across America. 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: So I'll get into all of that later on this hour. 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: Alex Stone will update U on that shooting in Las Vegas, 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: and also Blake Trolley will be here to talk about 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: some smashing grabbers going up the river. So I made 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: a mistake about a week ago I made. I broke 27 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: my own New Year's resolution, which was to engage. I 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: didn't know I was doing it at the time. I 29 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: did not mean to get into an online argument on 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: social media. I really didn't. I asked a legitimate, sincere question, 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: and the next thing I know is in a fight. 32 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: And the post was a meme that maybe you have seen, 33 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe you have sent. And it was a picture of 34 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of cars in a snowstorm, stuck on a 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: freeway somewhere on a highway, somewhere in a blizzard. And 36 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: the meme said, good luck in your electric vehicle, stuck 37 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: in this all right. 38 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Now. 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: There's many variations on this theme. Another one with I 40 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: don't know it shows anytime a Tesla somewhere catches on fire, 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: the Tesla haters love posting those pictures, you know, they 42 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: love posting pictures of electric cars on fire, as if 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: internal combustion engine cars don't burst into flames all the 44 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: time we had in their traffic business. He used to 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: call it carbecues. Right, The Traffic Report has been using 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: that line for fifty years, since the Model T since 47 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: before radio people would just shout it out. There's a 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: carbecue on the old Farmer's road. Anyway, So what the 49 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: meme is posted? And I just posted I am bewildered 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: by the hostility towards electric vehicles. I am sincerely bewildered, 51 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: I think, was the exact phrase I use. And the 52 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: next thing I know, it was you arrogant elitist, you know, 53 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: driving your expensive maybe you're and on and on and 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: on it went, and I think it is. First of all, 55 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't have an electric car, all right. I drive. 56 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: I drive the if I was gonna live a life 57 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: of crime, the car I would drive would be the 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: car I currently drive. Because it's invisible. I'm a white 59 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: haired man who lives in the West Valley driving a 60 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: white Chevy Impala, a twenty fourteen Chevy Impala. And let 61 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: me tell you something, nobody pays any attention to that car. 62 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: It's a gasoline car. I could be driving backwards on 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: the seven to ten fireing a glock out the window 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: ill smoking meth, and the cops have just waved to 65 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: me as I drove by, totally invisible in this car. Right, 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: So I don't have an electric car. My wife has 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: a Chevy Vault, which is half gas and half electric. 68 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: It's half gased, all right, And and to me that 69 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. That's that's really the ideal car, because 70 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: you could use the electric stuff around town and not 71 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: pay six seven dollars a gallon whatever the hell it 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: is this week they decide to make it this week, 73 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: and you got gasoline if you actually want to go somewhere. 74 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: So it's the best of both worlds. But I want 75 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: to get back to this strange animosity towards electric vehicles. 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: And eventually I got down to my online argument, got 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: down to the fear that the Biden people or the 78 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: powers that be are the tree huggers, are going to 79 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: make people buy electric vehicles, that they will take away 80 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: your gasoline powered vehicles and you'll have no choice but 81 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: to get an extension cord and drive something that you 82 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: have to plug in at night. Now, first of all, 83 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: that may be true, I think there are people who 84 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: would very much like to ban the internal combustion engine 85 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: and have everybody drive electric vehicles, But is that actually 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't think of my lifetime. I 87 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: don't think of my kid's lifetime. Because Jay Leno's collection 88 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: alone runs on gasoline except for the Stanley Steamer, and 89 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: people are always going to a farm machinery. There's all 90 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: kinds of things that run on the internal combustion engine, 91 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: which is a nineteenth century technology. By the way, most 92 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: of the energy goes out the tailpipe. But ultimately, if 93 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: electric vehicles are to become the standard, I don't believe 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: it'll be mandates. I think it'll be because people choose 95 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: to buy them because they decide this is a superior technology. 96 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, right now, it's not. It's a 97 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: practical technology and a pretty amazing technology in places like 98 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: La in southern California, it's not. If you live in 99 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: West Texas. You live in West Texas and you're driving 100 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: from UH, I don't know. Let's say you're going from 101 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: El Paso to any place, you really don't necessarily want 102 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: to be an electric vehicle because it's miles and miles 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: and miles and miles between El Paso went anywhere, but 104 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: in a place like this. I mean, I don't know. 105 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: We've had that vault for I don't know how many 106 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: years now. I think we've put gas in. Maybe we've 107 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: had it three years. I think we've put gas in 108 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: our car, not kidding eight times in three years, because 109 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: we don't use it for anything except for driving around here. 110 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: So you plug it in at night and you use 111 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: a tiny amount of gas. It's very practical. But if 112 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: you don't want one, you're not going to buy one. 113 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: But people just hate on them, and it's really interesting. 114 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: And by the way, I have a couple of friends 115 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: who love to send me memes that imply that if 116 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: you drive an electric vehicle you are less than a man, 117 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: that it is unmanly to drive an electric vehicle, And 118 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: of course I always kind of push back against that, 119 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: but then they think about how I always think the 120 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: guys that drive those jacked up trucks with the giant tires, 121 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, anybody in a hum Vy that actually isn't 122 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: in the military. It's like, well, you've got to have 123 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: some issues there too, right. One of the my forever 124 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: memories when hummers first came out was outside of b 125 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: of A in the valley, and I watched this woman 126 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: who looked like my mom come out of the bank 127 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: and she walked up to this hummer that was enormous. 128 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you needed a step ladder to get in it. 129 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: And she opens the door and she hurls her she 130 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: hurls her handbag into the thing like a hand grenade, 131 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: like over her head, and then she grabs onto a 132 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: handle and hoists herself into this thing. I said, you're 133 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: driving that thing for it to go to Ralph's to 134 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: pick up coffee cake. I mean, you know, but if 135 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: I were king, I would I would make all pickup 136 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: trucks illegal unless you actually work for a living. There's 137 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: nothing irritates me more than saying Ford f three point fifty. 138 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: That is spit shined like it's in the Concorde to elegance. 139 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: It's never had a toolbox in it. It's never had 140 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: a ladder fall off the top, you know, into lanes. 141 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: You should have to actually prove to the dealership that 142 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: you need a pickup truck to work, or at least 143 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: move your pothead roommate's stuff out of your apartment. You 144 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: have to have some practical purpose for having a pickup truck, 145 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: but none less people love them so. But the people 146 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: who hate the electric vehicles, the electric vehicle people, they 147 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: hate fossil fuels, they hate oil and coal. And that 148 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: also strikes me as odd because I really don't understand 149 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: people actually having a visceral I mean, the way people 150 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: can hate me. I get that I'm irritating, but I 151 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: don't understand why you would actually be repulsed by a commodity. 152 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: I mean basically dead dinosaurs. That's really what it comes 153 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: down to. It's oil and gas and coals. It's part 154 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: of nature. If people embrace nature, well, you can't get 155 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: more natural than coal. It took millions of years to 156 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: make it. Now, I know, it's terrible. It's a terrible 157 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fourteenth century fuel source, awful for 158 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: the people who dig it up, awful for the people 159 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: who live around it. But this attack on the electric 160 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: vehicles is relentless, and it's also largely not true, or 161 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: it's talk radio arguments against them, like, you know, good 162 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: luck with your helping the environment. With all the coal 163 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: burning power plants they're gonna have to build the power 164 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: these well, First of all, even assuming that anybody was 165 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: building a coal burning power plant in the twenty first 166 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: century in America, the reality is, even if they were, 167 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: power plants have scrubbers on the smokestacks that make them 168 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: much much cleaner than they used to be, and there's 169 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: no emissions coming out of the tailpipe, so the cars 170 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: are still cleaner. Are there problems with the minerals that 171 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: have to be mined for the batteries? Absolutely, there's absolutely 172 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: a problem, not just with the environmental damage they do. 173 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: If these things catch on fire, they're hard to put out, 174 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: They put out a lot of toxins, and there's a 175 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: lot of horrible child labor abuse in not only making 176 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: the LED batteries, but also in making the you know, 177 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: all the components of these cell phones. So there's no 178 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: perfect solution here, and perfect can't be the goal. Otherwise 179 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: we'll do nothing. But I do find it odd that 180 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: people take this so personally that somehow, I mean, look, 181 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: we just had another shooting right in Las Vegas. We 182 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: had a big shooting in Texas where six people were killed, 183 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: including a couple of police officers who were shot. We're 184 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: not going to do anything about guns. They're not gonna 185 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: They're not gonna come and take your You know, they're 186 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: not taking my Impala. They're not taking your Ford f 187 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: three fifty. They're just not They're not taking your nineteen 188 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: seventy muscle car. You know, you and Clint Eastwood with 189 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: your Grand Tarno. They're not taking it. In fact, you 190 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: know the people who if they sent someone to take it, 191 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: the guy would say, hey, can I see it? Can 192 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: I see under the hood? Because it's coal and we 193 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: like it, and we got places like Oklahoma and Texas 194 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: and we have to drive there. But there's so much 195 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: anger over these things, and it's now become a political statement. 196 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I know I used to do those jokes too. 197 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: When the priests first came out, I said, do they 198 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: do they make them at the factory with an Obama 199 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: stick around them? Are they just part of the paint shop? 200 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: But guess what, you know, we go through a couple 201 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: more months, a seven dollars a gallon gas, and all 202 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden they start looking real good for the 203 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: people with the twump Trump twenty twenty four stickers as well. 204 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 205 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 206 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: Online KFI AM six forty dot com. Uh, let's forward 207 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: slash listen and uh later on this hour, by the way, 208 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: Alex Stone's gonna be here, I'll update you on that 209 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: Vegas shooting. And did you see a sliced Alone has 210 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: a new movie out, another one of those action things 211 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: with his hip replacements fighting guys bare handed with a 212 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: knife in his teeth. And I know that ar Arland 213 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: would like to be doing a movie a motion pig job. Uh. 214 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: And of course it was all kind of laughable that 215 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: guys that age would be slugging it out to the death, 216 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: But we got a story maybe they were ahead of 217 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: the curve. Will do you hear what's going on South Korea? 218 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: We'll tell you that just a little bit. But what's 219 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: been going on all over the place at epidemic, especially 220 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: in California where we've basically invited people to come in 221 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: and steal with that imbecilic nine hundred and fifty dollars. 222 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, as long as it's below nine hundred and 223 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: fifty dollars, the first one's on us. So a whole 224 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: bunch of smashing grabber's got sentence sent to tell us 225 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: all about that from cafi's newsdrum Blake TROLLI Blake. 226 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: How are you hey, Doug. Yeah, I'm doing good. Yeah. 227 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: Two guys connected to at least three robberies in LA 228 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 3: and another retail theft worst sentenced to prison. This case 229 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: begins months ago. It's actually one of the first cases 230 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: the LPED Organized Retail Crime Task Force ended up solving, 231 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 3: and they decided to wait until the conviction and sentencing 232 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 3: were announced to roll out the details to the media. 233 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: So this is something that's new to us, but not 234 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: necessarily new. They were convicted and sentenced earlier this week. 235 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: The two guys in their twenties, Johanna Boyce and Andrew Ramirez, 236 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: hit the LAPD's radar in August, so right when this 237 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: Retail Crime Task Force form, and that's when they hit 238 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: a shoe warehouse store in South LA. The two guys 239 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 3: went in, began stealing shoes on their way out, and 240 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: employee tried stopping them. Well, one of the guys actually 241 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 3: punched that employee in the face, knocked him down. LPD 242 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: Detective one Composts with the Organized Retail Crime Task Force 243 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 3: says that punch actually fractured the man's face, caused trauma 244 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: to his brain. He's already had surgery, he needs more surgery. 245 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: We're told the man who punched that employee said something 246 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: to the effect of go to sleep. As that employee 247 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: was laying on the floor and the two guys were 248 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: walking out with a bunch of shoes. The LAPD I guess, 249 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: begins looking into this case. They start floating images of 250 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: these two guys around and by doing so, they end 251 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: up connecting them to other cases. So this robbery I'm 252 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: talking about, Doug, happened on August thirty first, at a 253 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 3: shoe store in South LA. Well Sheriff's officials take a 254 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: look at this photo and the ID these guys from 255 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: an earlier arrest they had actually made just two weeks before. 256 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 3: They were working in undercover sting operation they carried out 257 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 3: at a Nike store in East LA about two weeks prior. So, 258 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: when you talk about Prop forty seven, or just in general, 259 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: the leniency of crime and what police are actually able 260 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: to do, these guys were arrested just about two weeks 261 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: before they attacked this store employee. A few days before that, 262 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: they were ideed as hitting another store in South la 263 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: and a day after that, violent robbery that you heard about. 264 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: They're accused of hitting another store. So a long list 265 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: of bad deeds on these guys and they both going away. 266 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: One of the guy who ended up hitting that employee, 267 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: he's been sentenced to ten years in prison, and the 268 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: other guy who was sentenced to five years in prison. 269 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: So both of them ending up with consequences. But nonetheless, 270 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: you know, and you talk about this with Prop forty seven, 271 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: and this is definitely a frustration with law enforcement officials 272 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: that I was talking to with today about this case 273 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: specific is the fact that they didn't have enough to 274 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: really sting these guys before it gets out of hand. 275 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: Well, those are real sentences and ten years. You know, 276 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how much time they'll actually serve, but 277 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: that's a real sentence and a high price to pay 278 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: for stealing some sneakers that they were going to sell 279 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: on eBay or wherever they're going to sell them out 280 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: of the back of a car somewhere on the side street. 281 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: And the more we can publicize the penalties for doing this, 282 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: the more of a deterrent this will be, because right 283 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: now it does seem like law enforcement has their hands 284 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: tied because they're dealing with not just the lax laws 285 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: that allow them to prosecute with any kind of serious 286 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: penalties these kinds of crimes, but also the technological advantage 287 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: that these organized smash and grabbers have where they can 288 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: basically do like a flash mob and just go into stores. 289 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: And we've seen it time and time again, and it's demoralizing. 290 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: It's really fascinating to talk to folks about this when 291 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: these video show up, where people who don't work in 292 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: retail they see it and you just get heartsick and 293 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: infuriated abut it because there's just something so grotesque about it. 294 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: This is not like people. This is not Jean Valjean 295 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: stealing a loaf of bread, you know, and lame his 296 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: arrob defeed his family. These are people go into steal 297 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: luxury items and then jumping often in luxury autobiles and 298 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: driving away. 299 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and sometimes they're stopping traffic completely on the street 300 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,239 Speaker 3: where they're carrying out these staffs, and they're just organized 301 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: walking back to these cars, loading up the goods and 302 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: taking off, sometimes taking off in different directions. And one 303 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: of the things you touched on that I think is 304 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: interesting with law enforcement. A lot of times with stings, 305 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: they don't like to give away too much of what 306 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: they're doing, but a good case of the exact opposite 307 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: of that is just in our neighboring county, in sam 308 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: Bernardino County, I spoke to Sheriff Shannon Dykis. He's actually 309 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: allocated a special's gang and gun task for so this 310 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: is up to seventy deputies Doug to work undercover to 311 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: work these retail cases. Now. One of the reasons he's 312 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: doing this is he says, if somebody steals from a 313 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: retail store, in a lot of cases, it's sit and release, 314 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 3: but he has a lot harder stinger. He can actually 315 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 3: bring them to jail if a deputy witnesses this misdemeanor theft. 316 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: So that's one thing he's trying to do to put 317 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: some level of consequences on this. But on top of that, 318 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 3: he's very open about telling the criminals, I have deputies 319 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: that are now undercover. They are working these major retail corridors, 320 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: especially the ones in the High Desert and in Rancho 321 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 3: Cucamonga where you have Victoria Gardens. He's making it very 322 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 3: clear there are deputies now working undercover in those and 323 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: that's something he actually wants out, which is something you 324 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: don't usually see with an undercover offer. 325 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: A right, keep it going, Blake Trolley, Thanks so much, 326 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: KFI ladies and gentlemen. This Saturday, from noon to two pm, 327 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to be a David K. 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I'm going to tell you 342 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: about maybe it's not too late for Arnold and Slide 343 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: to keep making those action pictures. I'll tell you the 344 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: story out of South Korea, a very strange story and 345 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: a possible, a possible future for all of us. Meanwhile, 346 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: as you know by now, undoubtedly there was another shooting 347 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, a city that was terribly scar a 348 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: few years back with that awful shooting attack, still the 349 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: largest mass killing ever at that country. Music fessel At, 350 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: a sixty seven year old, discruddled college professor with all 351 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: the details on this. ABC News correspondent Alex Stone, Alex, 352 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: how are you hey there? 353 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: Douga doing well? And there's actually a briefing going on 354 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: right now that you can hear behind me that they 355 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: just gave a massive amount of information on what went 356 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: down and some surprising details that we found out about 357 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: a moment ago. So yeah, this guy, Anthony Pallito police 358 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: a criminal history consists of a nineteen ninety two case 359 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: for computer trestpass that he had apparently since then applied 360 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: to a lot of universities, had worked at a number 361 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: of different universities, but had applied to a bunch round 362 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: Las Vegas. They had all denied him that he was 363 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: having financial troubles. When they went to his apartment overnight 364 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: last night, there was an eviction notice on his front door, 365 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: that he couldn't pay his rent. There were a lot 366 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: of issues going on there, and that he showed up 367 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: yesterday in the business school, UNLV went in started shooting victims. 368 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: They don't know on what floor he started. There were 369 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: no surveillance cameras in the building, but they know that 370 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: they were on a couple of different floors. Third floor, 371 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: fourth floor, fifth floor. On the fifth floor was a 372 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: thirty eight year old who was injured and is alive 373 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 2: right now. The other victims were killed and his gun. 374 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: The sheriff saying a moment ago. 375 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 5: Toldo was armed with the Taurus nine milimeter handgun. He 376 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 5: had brought eleven magazines to the scene with him. Nine 377 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: loaded magazines were found on his person after the shooting. 378 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: He pulled in in a two thousand and seven Lexus 379 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: at eleven twenty eight am. This started at eleven forty five. 380 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: At eleven fifty five, he walked out of the building 381 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: and was shot and killed by plane clothed the UNLV 382 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 2: detectives who responded in and then we now know he 383 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 2: had a dash cam that before he went to do this, 384 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: he mailed twenty two letters at two different higher education 385 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: employees around the country and the sheriff Santa moment Ago. 386 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 6: Our detectives learned prior to the shooting, the suspect had 387 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 6: earlier visited at Henderson Post Office and sent twenty two 388 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 6: letters to various university personnel across the country with no 389 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 6: return address. 390 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: And a few moments ago they opened up one of 391 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: them they intercepted and they have white powder in them, 392 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 2: So now they got to figure out what that is. 393 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: And they're trying to contact everybody who had one of 394 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: these letters going to them, so it's still active right now. 395 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: They say the motive, they really don't know if it 396 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: was money related, if it was anger at not getting 397 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: the job. They went to his home, there was a 398 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: chair with an arrow and the arrow pointing to a 399 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: last will and testament. There were a bunch of bunch 400 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: of ammunition there that match them that he used, so 401 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: a lot there's still they don't know the full sequence 402 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: of when people were shot, the totally the why, but 403 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: they've put a lot together. 404 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: This guy is kind of the opposite of the twenty 405 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: seventeen massacre Stephen Paddock, the guy who shot and killed 406 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: fifty eight people at that Jason Alden a concert in 407 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. To this day, we have absolutely no idea 408 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: what his raison dette was. He left behind no trail 409 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: of any kind at least that's ever been released, which 410 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: is very, very unusual. This guy apparently was a ticking 411 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: time bomb, and I'd have to say an attaboy to 412 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: all the college HR departments who decided to pass over 413 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: him as an employee. Alex, let me ask you a 414 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: broad question about these events, because we've had so many 415 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: of them, and we've spoken so many times over the years. 416 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: As a result of these events, one of the things 417 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: that we always tried, that the rational world tries to do, 418 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: is to figure out what the motive was. And I 419 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: guess my question is what difference does it make at 420 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: this point, because every single one of them seems to 421 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: have a different variation on the theme. I mean, has 422 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: there ever been any kind of actionable conclusion drawn from 423 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: these events? Because every one of whether it was David Berkowitz, 424 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: we had dogs telling him to kill and voices in 425 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: his head or whatever they are. It doesn't seem like 426 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: when we get to the bottom line, it ever actually 427 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: leads us to preempting the next one. 428 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and in some way mental health always 429 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: comes into play of that something was going on that 430 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: they felt it was this was the way to go. 431 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: You know, there's something about knowing the motive that I 432 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: you know, think in some way puts some kind of 433 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 2: closure to it. The people want to understand the why 434 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 2: on it. We'll never know, and some of the cases, 435 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: like in twenty seventeen, sometimes it can help maybe prevent 436 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 2: something in the future of you know, what was the 437 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: person going through, what made them get to that point, 438 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: why did they do it? If it was ideology to 439 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: know were they linked to anybody else? You know, San 440 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 2: Bernardino that there were others who were linked to that, 441 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: So sometimes it can lead to other things. In this case, 442 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: you know, there were questions early on was it linked 443 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: to Hamas and Israel. No, that this had nothing to 444 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: do with that, but there were questions immediately if it 445 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 2: was that. So there are some reasons why folks would 446 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: want to know and it would come up. But you're right, 447 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: I mean, in the end, it seems like, especially when 448 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: it's young men, this is not But when it's young men, 449 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: it's kind of the typical scenario, not you know, good 450 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: with women. It felt like a loaner had no way 451 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: to do much. And you know, they were at home 452 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: and they were alone and they were angry, and then 453 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: they went out and did it with the older guys. 454 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: You know, it seems like this one and twenty seventeen. 455 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: It's guys who were down on their luck for whatever 456 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: reason that you had not had a lot of success 457 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: in life, and then carry something out. So you're right. 458 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot of times, same same background 459 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: on these guys. And in some ways, and we've heard 460 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: police say it, we've heard chiefs say it, it really 461 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. They know the media wants to know, but 462 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: in some ways it really doesn't matter. 463 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know this, this shooting took place just 464 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: a day after a guy in Texas over a wide 465 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: area shot and killed six people. And I know we 466 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: could it seems like we could cover some event like 467 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: this with three or more dead almost every day of 468 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: the week. All Right, Alex as always, thanks so much appreciated, 469 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: alex Son, ABC News correspondent, You got it. Thanks s 470 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: giving us the latest on that one. When we come back, listen, 471 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: if you're spoiling for a good fight, age may not 472 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: be a barrier. I'll tell you all about that. You 473 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: may have to go to South Korea, but I'll tell 474 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: you all about it. 475 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 476 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 4: AM six. 477 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: Forty KFI AM six forty dot com forward slash Listen 478 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: next hour, Cliff Nesterhoff is going to be with us. 479 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: He's mister Comedy. He is the guy who writes books 480 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: about the history of comedy. He's got a new book 481 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: called Outrageous and it's about the culture wars as well 482 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: as the comedy world we live in. And he'll have 483 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: a little bit to say about Norman Lear as well. 484 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: So we've got that coming up for you next hour. 485 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: And the lighting ceremony for the California State Christmas Tree 486 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: got canceled because of fears over pro Hamas protesters. Your 487 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: your guests is as good as mine because no one 488 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: will actually say. We'll get into that as well and more. 489 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: But you know Stallone, Sly Stallone. There's a documentary on 490 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: Netflix called Sly that was good. It was great, and 491 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: I had I had no expectations. I'm not even sure. 492 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: I think it just started playing and we just fell 493 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: into watching it and it was really fascinating. I worked 494 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 1: with his brother Frank years ago on a TV series, 495 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: but uh, it was. It was utterly fascinating. But he 496 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: keeps making these. You know, the guy's got the Rocky 497 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: pictures obviously, and then he's got the Rambo Picks, and 498 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: then he's got that other series of movies. What are 499 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: they called. I don't even remember what they're called. Not Creed, 500 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: it's something else. Uh he's got he just made a 501 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: new one like that's got a number at the end 502 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: of it, so it's another franchise. I missed that. And 503 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: he uh, you know, he's an action guy. He's a 504 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: rock'p soccer robus. He's out there with a knife between 505 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: his teeth and a bare chested and a you know, 506 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: ammunition belt across his nipples or whatever he's got going on. 507 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: And it's kind of laughable because he's not a kid. 508 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: He's got some miles on him. And he said, like 509 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: every he's had his hip replacements, he's had the replacements replaced. 510 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's had like fifty surgeries from getting beat 511 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: up making these movies. But maybe he was ahead of 512 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: the curve. And I'll tell you why. I saw this 513 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: in the La Times, this big piece about South Korea 514 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: that apparently the South Korean birth rate has plummeted, and 515 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: because the birth rate has plummeted, they've got a problem 516 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: with their volunteer army. They can't get enough young people 517 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: to fill the ranks of the army. Now, by the way, 518 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: this is not just them. The Russians are going through 519 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: the same thing. Putin. Vladimir Putin a few years ago 520 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: declared a sex holiday in Russia, which sure as hell 521 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: beats Labor Day. It's the in labor day, that's what 522 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: they're hoping for. Nine months later, he had a sex 523 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: holiday because the birth rate in Russia was declining. And 524 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: I guess he was planning on invading Ukraine because we 525 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: need more soldiers. So he literally, besides attacking gays, which 526 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: he's been doing, and they just started rating gay bars 527 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: again in Russia, he literally gave all the workers in 528 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: Russia a day off and told him to go home 529 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: and you know, make some more Russians. North Korea. This week, 530 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: Kim Jung on was blubbering on state television telling the 531 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: women of North Korea have more babies. I think he's 532 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: got to talk to the men too. I'm not really 533 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: clear on that. I went to Catholic schooler on know 534 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: how this works. But the point is he was telling 535 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: the women to have more babies in North Korea because 536 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: I guess he needs more soldiers. Put all the old 537 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: soldiers have either been executed or put in our re 538 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: education camp where they starved. But the South Koreans have this. Oh, 539 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: by the way, one more country that's having a problem 540 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: is the United States. We're also having a problem meeting 541 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: our recruitment goals for the various branches of the United 542 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: States military. But in South Korea they have done something 543 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: very interesting to address this situation, which is they have 544 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: started volunteer units of sixty and seventy year olds in 545 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: the army. And this is fantastic, isn't it. Instead of 546 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: taking privilege in you can take your m one go 547 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: over the hill. You're gonna go fight. Apparently, Look, there's 548 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: a lot of jobs. There's a lot of jobs in 549 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: the army. I think during World War two, at the 550 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: height of World War two, only fourteen percent of the 551 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: people who are in the United Sli State's armed forces 552 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: actually saw combat. And this is from the greatest generation. 553 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: Because there's a lot of people in the rear with 554 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: the gear and there's a lot of people who are 555 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: stateside pushing paper or making sure the bullets and bombs 556 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: and the you know, the sea rations and all that 557 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: stuff gets on a boat that gets met by a truck, 558 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: that gets you know, moved to the front, et cetera, 559 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. It takes lots and lots of people to 560 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: get to a front line, you know, you know, a 561 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: private and a rifle platoon. It takes an army to 562 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: move an army. So I'm sure that the sixty and 563 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: seventy year olds are not necessarily going a pork chop hill. 564 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: But maybe they are because God knows, desperate times call 565 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: for desperate measures. This is one of the more notable 566 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: signs that the Nazi Empire had come to a crashing 567 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: end is that the fight in the Final Front as 568 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: the Russians were coming into Berlin. Who were they? Who 569 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: were they fighting? They were fighting little kids and old, 570 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: creaky old men that Hitler had dragooned into the Final 571 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: Stand while he was down in the bunker marrying missus Hitler. 572 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: And by the way, what a title that is, missus Hitler. 573 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's who was fighting. We're little kids, as 574 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: some as young as ten and some into their seventies 575 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: and eighties were taking the last stand for the fatherland. 576 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: But the Koreans are doing this. But so that's why 577 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: I look at these now. All of a sudden, I'm 578 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: looking at stallone and I'm looking at Arnold, and I'm saying, hey, 579 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: they might be on the cutter edge of you know, 580 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if they can be you know, in 581 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: special forces or something like that, more like special needs. 582 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: We got another hour to go. 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