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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome everybody to the buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. I have with me the author of Charade,

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Speaker 1: the COVID Laves that Crushed a Nation, and a general

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Speaker 1: columnist the closest thing that West Virginia has right now

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Speaker 1: to Ernest Hemingway, Mister David Marcus is with us for

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Speaker 1: this episode. David Marcus, good to see you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Mat It's nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: You know, somebody asked me the other day this, I'm

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Speaker 1: just wondering what you think what would happen if we

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Speaker 1: had another, let's just say, a really bad flu season.

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Speaker 1: Would you know, because you wrote your book on COVID,

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Speaker 1: do you think that most of what was done before

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Speaker 1: would be done again? You think they go back to it, not.

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Speaker 3: Exactly in the same way. I think that. I think

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Speaker 3: the American people have become a little too suspicious for that,

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Speaker 3: especially sort of in red states. I mean, are there

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Speaker 3: are parts of in Park Slope, Brooklyn if like the

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Speaker 3: Democrats were like put your mask on, stay inside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they would love that. They would, you know,

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Speaker 2: feel Marley superior again and it would be great. No, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it would work out exactly that way.

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Speaker 3: But I do, you know, to the rest of your question,

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Speaker 3: I do worry that COVID was a kind of dress rehearsal,

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Speaker 3: whether intentionally or not, to sort of see ken society

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Speaker 3: operate if everyone just stays home. And as I wrote

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Speaker 3: in a column recently, sadly, the answer was sort of yes.

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Speaker 2: And that's pretty scary looking forward.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I will say that, you know, for me,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't married, I didn't have kids during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: So now when I when I look at things, I

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Speaker 1: look back at it. I mean, it was remarkable in

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Speaker 1: so many ways, but there were parts of it where

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, I guess I just get to

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Speaker 1: stay home, not socialized, not go anywhere, and order food

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Speaker 1: and watch Netflix and play video games. Like I took

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Speaker 3: There was a moment I remember, like in the first

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Speaker 3: months before and there was like a run on Nintendo switches.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that, Like everyone everyone ran out because

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Speaker 3: like this was the device that you could have that

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Speaker 3: would like you know, oh, it was awful.

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Speaker 2: You remember zoom Cocktails? Was that anything?

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Speaker 3: Is there ever been a worse social event than the

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Speaker 3: history of mankind than zoom Cocktails?

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Speaker 2: It was so horrible And in Jumane it was a.

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Speaker 1: Horrible book, we were told that we would never shake

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Speaker 1: hands again. You remember this like that, like they were like, ah,

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Speaker 1: handshaking is gone, and you know what's remarkable. I was

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Speaker 1: doing I'm doing some research for a book. It's not

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Speaker 1: a COVID book, but I was looking back at some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff that happened in twenty twenty for it people.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people even remember this that there was

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Speaker 1: a period where they were actually telling everybody that first

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Speaker 1: there was that don't buy masks. So they told that

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Speaker 1: everybody stop it. And Fauci's like doesn't really work. There

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Speaker 1: was even CNN was doing stories in February of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Masking actually might make it more likely for you to

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Speaker 1: get COVID because you'll change your risk parameters for what

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Speaker 1: you're willing to do, thinking of more protection than you do,

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Speaker 1: and you'll touch your face. And it went from that to,

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Speaker 1: as we know, the complete insanity of like, if you're

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Speaker 1: mountains alone, you mask up. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Miss step? No, you missed a step buck.

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Speaker 3: There was a step in between, because obviously they were

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Speaker 3: So remember how they explained that they said, oh well,

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Speaker 3: we were actually wary of having you masking because we

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Speaker 2: Remember that.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, they had to lie to explain why they

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Speaker 1: like he's in West Virginia. Yes, So that's pretty that's

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Speaker 1: we got the brunt of it in the beginning too.

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Speaker 1: We are all still traumatized by the other sides lunacy,

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Speaker 1: Pretty early on, like April of twenty twenty, I was like,

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Speaker 1: we forget all about it. So I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't think the lessons have really been learned that's mine.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that upsets me. That's why I still

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Speaker 1: talk about it. One there's no accountability now a book.

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Speaker 3: And I hear you, you know, I listen to you

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Speaker 3: guys when I'm picking my kid up from school, and

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the fact that you do that. It's really

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Speaker 3: the reason that I wrote the book, and it's reason

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Speaker 3: and I wanted it to be that fresh. And it's funny,

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Speaker 3: like I'm now talking to a couple of people about

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Speaker 3: and so I've been having to go back through it

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Speaker 3: and just like you said, like there's so many of

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Speaker 2: Of want to forget.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also sense that there's and this is

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Speaker 1: that's always so remarkable to me, the people who were

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Speaker 1: telling me you're a horrible person, your advice is killing people.

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Speaker 1: Why are you so stupid? And there were thousands of

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Speaker 1: them over the course the pandemic, you know, tweeting at me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you know how many of them have sense?

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Speaker 1: And even for things like schools need to be open,

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Speaker 1: not that is a fact. That is a hundred as

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Speaker 3: Not one well well look I mean but you I mean,

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Speaker 3: you answered your own question there book. The reason that

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Speaker 2: That there was so much emotional investment, almost.

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Speaker 3: This is the right and moral and just thing to do.

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Speaker 3: And I think that especially for people on the left

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Speaker 2: It just in this case it was it was quite

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Speaker 1: I want to also ask you, David, about the news

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Speaker 3: because it's not always the case, and I do worry

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Speaker 3: that that Musk is asking us to accept some things

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Speaker 3: pretty skeptical of, even if he's going to give us all,

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Speaker 3: you know, twenty five thousand dollars for posting on a site,

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Speaker 3: which of course I won't take.

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Speaker 1: But to take my point, well, when we share out

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Speaker 1: this interview on Twitter, just make sure that Elon knows

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Speaker 1: that I think he's amazing. So I don't get banned.

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Speaker 1: But good luck to you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to be honestly buck And and I'll you know,

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Speaker 3: I'll say this.

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Speaker 2: It's it's something that you run into.

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Speaker 3: It's something that I've run into in trying to write

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Speaker 3: about this story, is that he's a player in the

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Speaker 3: media now. So this is always a challenge for journalists

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Speaker 3: who cover the media because look, there's just a lot

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Speaker 3: of people in a position right now who don't want

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Speaker 3: to cross Elon Musk. And as a writer, who's you know, look,

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Speaker 3: my mantra is, if you're in power, I'm skeptical of you,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be critical of you, and you're never

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Speaker 3: going to get a free pass, and it's been a

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Speaker 3: challenge for me to cover Elon Musk because I think

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of people who don't want to

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Speaker 3: cross him right now.

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Speaker 1: Fair point, David Marcus. Everybody follow him on the social

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Speaker 1: media platforms that you have, and also look for his

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Speaker 1: stuff in the Daily Mail and check out what's the

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Speaker 1: name of the book again.

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Speaker 2: David Charade, the covid Lies, the qust Nation.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, sir, Thanks for hanging out, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for

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Speaker 2: Having me a book