1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast knows what a Super Bowl 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: tastes like. Welcome back to another edition of The Round 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis and I 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Chris Westling and Greg Rosatal. What's up boys, Hey, Happy Thursday. 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: This is our second video show of the month. Uh 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: driven of course, this podcast is driven by HUNDA. You 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: guys need to know that, and and part of that 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: that the deal that we have with UNDA. A video 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: show every Thursday for all of April. So you check 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: it out tonight nine pm Eastern, six pm Pacific. You 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: can do the calibration if you're in other parts of 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: the world. Last last week we got you know, a 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: link for the full show if you didn't happen to 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: catch it live. Sidneil said that out will put it 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: on the Round the NFL Twitter. Absolutely so, a lot 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: of fun, a lot of mirth, and uh a lot 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: to get to. In today's show, a show where we'll 19 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: talk about more draft talk. We're getting closer and closer 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: to the draft. Uh. Draft talk that will include butt talk, 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: hot put talk, and you know I love that. Uh 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: we what's oh no? You're not looking forward to that, right. 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: Also known as Dan's favorite sound drop, it is among 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: my favorite sounds in the world. Is a roasting buttocks. Also, 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a special guest come in live on Skype, UH, 26 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: so you'll hear it on the audio. But that's another 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: reason to click into the video, the great Connor or 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: bring it back or you kidding me? With a special 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: accompaniment that is exciting. But before we do any of that, 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: there is some huge NFL news that came down, UH 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: probably about an hour before we began taping. So let's 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: get into it. Let's start said doing some news. One 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: of the great figures, uh in the history of the NFL, 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: Dan Rooney, who was the chairman of the Pittsburgh Steelers, UH, 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: passed away on Thursday at the age of eighty four. Uh. 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: Rooney did it all in the league. He came up 37 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: the son, of course of Art Rooney UM born the 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: year before the Steelers came into existence, and grew up 39 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: around the team and became one of the influential figures 40 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: uh west Uh both in terms of leading the Steelers 41 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: to all their Super Bowl title, six of them, but 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: also in terms of the NFL working with commissioners the 43 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: establishment of the Rooney Rule, which he spearheaded. Uh. Rooney 44 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: is one of the big ones, one of the big 45 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: names in the history of the game, and we lost 46 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: them today at the age of eighty four. I think 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: if you have a mount rushmore of the NFL, Dan 48 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: Rooney's on there, with Pete Rosel, with George Hallis, Uh 49 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: with Paul Brown, and maybe Lamar Hunt. If you've got 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: five people, those are your handful of some of the 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: most important people in the history of the NFL. And 52 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: his career spans basically from the advent of the NFL 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: as a popular sport. Before the nineteen fifty eight title game, 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: it was an afterthought. You cannot overstate how far above 55 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: baseball was then every other sport in America, and since 56 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: then football has become. But he started at a time 57 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: if you read Judy Patista's excellent retrospective on Dan Rooney, 58 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: he started negotiating contracts with players when he was an 59 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: accounting counting student in college in the nineteen fifties. This 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: is shortly after the Steelers were the Phil Pitts Stiegel's 61 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: They had to combine with the Eagles during World War Two. 62 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: And they were the carpets. They had to combine with 63 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. This is how bleak it was in the NFL. 64 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: And then now you go nineteen sixty nine is when 65 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: he takes control of day to day operations with the Steelers. 66 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: They have been in the league for about thirty five years, 67 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: one up appearance, no wins. They were the least successful 68 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: organization in the NFL. Since he took control in the 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: nineteen six nine they are the most successful organization in 70 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: the NFL, seven Super Bowls, only three head coaches in 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: nearly fifty years, and they are the model NFL franchise. 72 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: And if you were to add a fifth to that, 73 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore, it could be Art Rooney, who was an 74 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: iconic figure when we first watched the Chief Football. Absolutely, 75 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: the thing that stands out for me is when you 76 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: look at the Steelers. They're in a division where if 77 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: you aren't a consistent team, you're dust. And the coaching hiring, 78 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: the ability to find a coach three of them in 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: a time where other teams have twenty of them, and 80 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: to get success out of all of them, to stick 81 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: by them and the results speak for themselves. It is 82 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: one of the most consistent a Some of these teams 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: are not They can be owned by a family, but 84 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: they don't operate as a family run business. The Steelers 85 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: have always been a family run business. And this is 86 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: a renaissance man, Ambassador Ireland and all sorts of stuff. 87 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: The guy never stopped learning, doing new things, breaking new boundaries. 88 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: People think of the Steelers as a great organization, like 89 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: that's one of the model organizations in terms of stability, 90 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: in terms of doing things the right way. And for 91 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: the most part, I think they're thinking of Dan Rooney. 92 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: Now that the chief, his dad aren't Rooney, the original 93 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: aren't Rooney, not his his son Art Rooney, the second 94 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: who runs the team. Now you know he he bought 95 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: the team, but I think he created the team. When 96 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: you look at the history of the Steelers, even the 97 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: chief would have said that that Dan was kind of 98 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: the pivotal figure. If you wanted to, you know, read it, 99 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: read anything on it. This There's a book called about 100 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: Three Brickshy of a Load, which I recommended on this 101 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: podcast before. But it's a great portrait of the football 102 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: in the seventies and Dan Rooney. And if you think 103 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: about it, like you said, he took over in sixty nine. 104 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: The first big decision he made as the essentially the 105 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: guy running the team was hiring Chuck nol. Interesting side point, 106 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: he hired Chuck Noel because Joe Paterno turned him down. 107 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: So who knows that that is a strange door that 108 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 1: could have depending on his and his father was leaning 109 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: towards other individuals, and it was Dan Rooney Um basically 110 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: saying you have to hire this guy. And with Noel 111 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: at the helm, they won four titles in the seventies, 112 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: and then his father passed away and and the Steelers 113 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: had up up and down seasons in the eighties into 114 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: the nineties, and then finally I believe it was seventeen 115 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: years into um or it could have been more, but 116 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: it was around twenty years into his ownership or being 117 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: on his own without his father. Uh. They won the 118 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl against the Seahawks and then again against the Cardinals, 119 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: so six in total, all with Rooney there. And here's 120 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: and I said at the at the top of this, 121 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: and we talked about how uh he was there from 122 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: the very beginning, for he was five years old and 123 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: he was being taken to Steelers training camp and his 124 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: dad wouldn't even watch him, so the players will be 125 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: looking after him. Here's something Dan Rudy said in one 126 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: of our great NFL films, Vault, about what it was 127 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: like like being a young kid, uh following around his team. 128 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: I would go on a lot of the trips, especially 129 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: when I got a little bit older, maybe the ten 130 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: years old, and I would go to to away games 131 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: and we were on a train there. The players would 132 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: spend eight hours with them, and I'd take my homework 133 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: with him and then helped me do my homework, would 134 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 1: talk to me and things like that, and I became 135 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: very close to them. That carried on throughout his life. 136 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: He was well known as a guy that did not 137 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: treat his players as adversaries. He was known for going 138 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: into the locker room after games and shaking hands with 139 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: every one of his players. I mean, this guy was 140 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: the real deal. I mean he was a humanitarian within 141 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: the walls of the NFL. I mean he lived his 142 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: entire life a couple of blocks away from the stadium 143 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 1: in the same this is a you know, millionaire many 144 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: times over, in the same two story house that he 145 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: grew up in. He just walked to the facility. He 146 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: never once moved. UH in his whole life. And there's 147 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: a quote from me and Joe Green, who is the 148 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: guy who, uh who introduced Dan Rooney when he was 149 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: inducted into the Hall of Fame, and he said, Dan 150 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: has always led with humility. When things go as planned, 151 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: Dan is in the background. When things don't go as planned, 152 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: he's in the forefront. I mean, he didn't Judy mentioned 153 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: he didn't have a bio in the team media guy 154 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: because he didn't want attention. It's like he he went 155 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: to mass every day. He he didn't have many, you know, luxuries, 156 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: but he drove his own plane to the owner like 157 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: he had his own plane, and he drove it every 158 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, he flew it everywhere. It's like they don't 159 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: make they don't make guys que. So not exactly a millennial. 160 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, we're like these guys in the NFL. 161 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: Is one way to watch this happen. As you go 162 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: from the seventies the eighties to now, you're losing these 163 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: people and the people that are replacing them are of 164 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: a different quality. I know that makes me sound old 165 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: and cranky, but it's true. It's just a different type 166 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: of outlook. But even in his own generation Rooney, he 167 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: he stood above and it's no small feat that also 168 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: he went from being an owner or or being the 169 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: chairman of the Steelers and then uh was always deeply 170 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: tied to his homeland in Ireland. We have a lot 171 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: of Irish listeners, UH that he was very UM. He 172 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: was very involved with UM just promoting the arts in 173 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: Ireland and being involved with everything where his families and from. 174 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: And so when Obama nominated him as the United States 175 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: Ambassador to Ireland, this was right after Obama got elected. Uh, 176 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: that was a really big deal for this guy. And 177 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: it was it just showed that that when that happened 178 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand eight early two thousand nine, it was 179 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: like a week after he had won the sixth Super 180 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: Bowl and then he was became the It was the 181 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: only time he really left the Steelers in any capacity 182 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: when he was serving that he visited every county in 183 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: the entire country to Ireland, which no other ambassador had done. 184 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: So even in that job, he did it better and 185 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: with a with a touch of class that maybe passed 186 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: people in that role didn't quite handle that way. And 187 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: again at an age when other people are shutting it down, 188 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: this guy in his seventies, goes and does something that 189 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: other people would have tried to do in their early 190 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: in their life and then you just shut it down 191 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: in your sixties and seventies. The guy never stopped. He 192 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: may ultimately his ultimate legacy may be the Rooney rule 193 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: when we look back half a century from now and 194 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: before that, even in the late nineties sixties, he hired 195 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: Bill Nunn, who was the first I believe, full time 196 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: black scout. And the Steelers dynasty was built upon Dan 197 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: Rooney and Bill Nunn and uh, I believe was it 198 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: Art Rouoney uh dipping into the historically black colleges and 199 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: they two of the greatest five drafts in NFL history 200 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: are the Steelers in that time period where they drafted 201 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: these stars from the historically black colleges before the other 202 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: NFL teams were willing to do that. And in his 203 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: type of leadership is is what helped build the NFL 204 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: in terms of and I and this is where I 205 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: think the ownership has changed to some degree where he 206 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: really did have that broad sort of let's do what's 207 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: right for the NFL instead of always been worried about 208 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: our team. He was quoted in Judy's piece are business 209 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: is the game. We're not in this thing to make 210 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: all the money in the world. I think some other 211 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: teams still do things our way, but on this we 212 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: might be the last guy on the mountain. Now that 213 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: was that was a decade ago, and he really was 214 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: kind of the last the last guy on the mountain. 215 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: And what what struck me, you know, just reading all 216 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: the tweets at everything about is all the Pittsburgh television stations. 217 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: All three stations immediately went into breaking live coverage in 218 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: the city of Pittsburgh. Now, how many other how many 219 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: other people, much less NFL owners like Robert Krafts has 220 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: one a lot of Super Bowls. It's like, this is 221 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: a sort of a different level of someone that's a 222 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: true royalty and legend in the city of Looking at 223 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: it this way, how many cities have a monumental figure 224 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: like that. I grew up in Cincinnati, and I can't 225 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: think of who they would break in for all the 226 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: stations to say this guy died. I can't think of 227 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: one guy who would be that monumental of a figure. 228 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: And I look at Steve Bashotti, the Ravens owner. This 229 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: is a great This is the out of all the 230 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: tributes I heard, this was the most fitting. He called 231 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Dan Rooney the conscience of the NFL, and he absolutely was. 232 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: As Mark said, he did things a different way. As 233 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: Greg said that quote, we might be the last guy 234 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: on the mountain. He had morals and values that he 235 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: clung to when the world was getting too fast and 236 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: money was becoming and everything. He was the one who 237 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: said who took everyone aside and said, let's think about 238 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: what we're doing. There was a memorable story where during 239 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: it was during some type of conversation about commerce, where 240 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: he sent to the league office in NFL Jersey covered 241 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: in patches of corporations to make the point. And he 242 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: back to the money thing. And I'm sure tremendously rich 243 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: man despite the fact that he lived in that modest home. 244 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: He said he never did anything in his life for money. 245 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: M H. And it the whole and just the way 246 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: that they kept it in the Ruoney favor. I mean, 247 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of crazy stories. At one point he 248 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: had to fire his brother, uh who was running the 249 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: personnel department in the middle of the seventies. I move 250 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: that was it was not always a clean no that area. 251 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: That is a story and even even I believe it was, 252 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: I want to say the late nineties. You know, at 253 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: one point they had to sell most of the interest 254 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: in the team because they didn't have the money to 255 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: do it, and you know, they split it among the 256 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: five brothers, and in the end, all the other four 257 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: brothers just sold their interest and in Dan Rooney was 258 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: was the last man standing. So Dan Rooney dead at 259 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: the age of eighty four, a life well lived, universally 260 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: beloved and respected. Uh. Let's move on to other NFL news, 261 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about Marshawn Lynch who has been dancing 262 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: with the Raiders for a couple of weeks now and 263 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: now we seem to be heading towards uh something final. 264 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: NFL Network inside Ian Rappaport reported Thursday that the Seahawks 265 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: and Raiders are expected to work out a trade for 266 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: the running back, but first Lynch must rework his current 267 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: deal that he signed before that retirement um last year. 268 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: Per Rappaport, Lynch's agents have permission from Seattle to talk 269 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: to Oakland about adjusting the deal. If a new contract 270 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: destruct uh, then they will move on to talking the compensation. 271 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: Lynch signed a three year, thirty one million dollar contract 272 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: in pays out nine million and two thousand and seventeen 273 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: if he came out of retirements soon to be thirty one, 274 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: Mark looks like it's gonna happen. I think it's definitely 275 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: about to happen. In good for Seattle for trying to 276 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: get something out of it, even if it's very little. 277 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, a couple of weeks ago, 278 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: Seattle might just do the nice thing and let him go. Well, 279 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: we found out this offseason of anything, teams are not 280 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: into doing the nice thing. The Cowboys weren't into doing 281 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: the nice thing with the Roma when they thought it 282 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: would happen, and the same with the same with Seattle. 283 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: Get value out of this. This is a player. If 284 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: he's still going to contribute, if it's not gonna be 285 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: on Seattle, get something to return, if anything, If you're 286 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: gonna get anything. The bottom line here is, barring a 287 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: major upset, he'll be on the Raiders, and then the 288 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: Raiders can enter the draft without knowing they need an 289 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: early round running back. They might still draft a power 290 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: back in the later rounds to eventually replace him, but 291 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: that shouldn't have to be a priority entering the draft. 292 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about it on the show. It's 293 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: such an X factor of how good he'll be. Like, 294 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: if he came back and he was two thousand fourteen 295 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: Marshaan Lynch, that wouldn't shock me. I don't know. Marsha 296 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: Lynch seems like a guy capable of doing some crazy things. 297 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Maybe the year off really does help you heal, he 298 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: hasn't had that much pounding on his But but if 299 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: he came back and he's just kind of done and 300 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: that DeAndre Washington and Jalen re Shard are better players 301 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: than him right now, like that wouldn't That wouldn't totally 302 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: surprise me either. You don't know what you're gonna get. 303 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: So it sounds like a deal with Lynch will get 304 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: done before the draft. Don't expect to see Adrian Peterson 305 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: signed somewhere before the draft in Philadelphia, which, by the way, 306 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: will be outdoors. Did we touch on that. Oh, it's 307 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: gonna be outside, alright, totally outside. Don't try to sneak 308 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: inside to make a pick. No commission and no you 309 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: no half measures here. Don't sell it as outdoors. And 310 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: then I see inside the spectrum. I don't even want 311 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: to see a tent. But if it begins to lightning, 312 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: like lots of lightning, said, you gotta see then if 313 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, whatever happens happens, that's the risk. You have 314 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: to see it through. And you know what you're dealing 315 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: with fans in public, too bad. You set the table 316 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: for this. You gotta see it through. NFL draft isn't 317 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: that kind of Uh, it's fantastic, gonna take it even Yeah, 318 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just stop. But anyway, yes, drafts outdoors. But 319 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: barring a dramatic shift, Adrian Peterson is not expected to 320 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: land a deal with the team prior to the draft. 321 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: That according to rap Sheet, teams will continue to monitor 322 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,359 Speaker 1: Peterson's status, but that weight uh for a new contract 323 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: will continue. So far, Greg Peterson has met with the 324 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: Patriots and Saints. No deal in either case. Uh, thirty 325 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: two years old. We talked about this on our network 326 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: hit on Wednesday about where this how this actually ends up, 327 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: But it's gonna take some more time to play out. 328 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: Maybe your answer that he won't sign with the team 329 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: until October, you know, kind of be one of those 330 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: in season replacements, like a late career Roger Clemens or something. 331 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: Someone gets injured actually gets a little desperate to pay 332 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: you the money. I don't think that's gonna happen, but 333 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: this just shows, you know, the interest is not there. 334 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: It is interesting that Marshall Lynch has a better market 335 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: ultimately than Adrian Peterson. We don't know that to be true. 336 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: We don't know, we don't know what the money is. 337 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: I still think of this, Adrian Peterson is in no 338 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: rush to unless the fit is perfect. He's in no 339 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: rush to put his name on a piece of page. 340 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: I'm a little amazed the Raiders are giving up anything 341 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: to sign Lynch. But from you know what we've heard, 342 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: it might just be like a conditional seventh round pick. 343 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 1: It might be next to nothing. But the fact is 344 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: he he looks like the Raiders wanted to sign Marshall Lynch, 345 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: they didn't want to sign Adrian Peterson. Well sorry, but 346 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: we know if this draft class were not a good 347 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: running back class, he had one or two guys tops 348 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: you could count on to come in and contribute. Adrian 349 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: Peterson's timeline might be very different. You might already have 350 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: a team someone to said, it's a need, we gotta 351 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: deal with it. But they are like seven or eight 352 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: guys teams could look at and find a fit in. Potentially, 353 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: there is no point in signing someone ten years older 354 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: and ten times more expensive when you can get a rookie. 355 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: I'm buying in more and more and more. Greg by 356 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: the way you threw it out there a couple of 357 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: shows ago. Uh, the idea of an Olive branch there. 358 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: Another big difference between the Lynch and Peterson situation is 359 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: the Raiders making the move to Vegas and Marshawn Lynch 360 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: being the Oakland Sun and the idea of him coming 361 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: to the Raiders and adding even more juice to a 362 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: season where if you're a Raider fan that did not say, 363 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: oh screw these guys, I'm not following them, this gives 364 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: you even more excitement. So it kind of helps them 365 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: on that front, the pr front, I mean even even 366 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: from our front as fans. You know, marsn Lynch and 367 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: Oakland throw them on the first you know, Sunday night 368 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: game of the year or something like, what if they're 369 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: actually in the X at the end of the season, 370 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Marsha you know, Marsha Lynch trying to get that team 371 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: of Super Bowl before they leave. Well, you're cooking with gas. 372 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: Hold on, it's exciting to you. But if and I 373 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: understand the Raiders fans are gonna travel differently than Chargers 374 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: fans would, but you it is a half measure of 375 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: an olive branch. We're gonna sign the thirty year old 376 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: running back, and suddenly everyone in Oakland is gonna be excited, 377 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: very excited about what's happened over the last month to 378 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: their beloved Steave. Oakland has no football team anymore. Marshawn 379 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: Lynch is going to solve that. Give me a break. 380 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it just gets them in the stadium and a 381 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: little more excited about this good I like your other 382 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: theory that if they go, if they start, you know, 383 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: three and five people are gonna empty in droves. Uh 384 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan who said you start making moves to please the fans. 385 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: Soon you'll be sitting in the stands next to him. 386 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: You know who said that, Whitey Herzog. I don't know. 387 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: Keith Hanson said that he originated that quote. Gandhi all right, 388 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: I don't know he said it, But I like you 389 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: just I mean, why not attribute to someone in your 390 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: family line some credit for it. I mean, we're talking 391 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: about the Rooneys and stuff. Yeah, a very Daniel Dan 392 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: Rooney moved by you. Ed Cessler any famous lines, I mean, 393 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: you know, books of them, what's the most famous? Like 394 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: Ed Sessler is m I think he said over and over, 395 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: I'm extremely proud of you, and it just fueled me 396 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: from babyhood on. I don't know. Now, my dad was 397 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: he'd be good at a party, rip some jokes out. 398 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: Watch him operate little mini bar at the house we 399 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: have people over. I mean, you know, you kind of 400 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: learned from your dad how to do all this business, 401 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: so how to be a man. Yeah. Wow, So he 402 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: was like a regular Vince Lombardi would always love postgame 403 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: post games, you know, kind of like cocktail party, and 404 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: they liked they like to have people Belichick doing that. No, 405 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: talk about a different time. Let's dedicate the show to 406 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: the greatness of Ed ceceler fine by me. We we've 407 00:20:53,280 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: never even mentioned Ed Sester on this show. It's good 408 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: to in fifty you know episodes in here we Go. 409 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: Johnny Kerr, Johnny it wasn't Keith Hands. I believe Johnny Beg. 410 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: Kerr used to be the coach of the Chicago Bulls. 411 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: Jonathan Hankins has a job the former Giants defensive tackle 412 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: is agreed to terms with the Colts on a three 413 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: year deal worth up to thirty million dollars, which is 414 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: pretty good coined at this stage of the game. As 415 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: according to rap Sheet, the new pact includes fifteen point 416 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: nine million guaranteed ten and f million in the first year. 417 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: The Colts later confirmed the move West. You like it? 418 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: I love it in an off season where there aren't 419 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: many obvious winners because the star players are spread out 420 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: so much and many of the moves are spread out. 421 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: I think I like what the Colts have done on 422 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: their defense better than what any team has done on 423 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: their defense. Chris Bout has really added size, versatility, toughness, 424 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: athleticism to that front seven. He's got pass rushers and 425 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: John Simon and Jabal Shared. He's got big guys in 426 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan Hankins and our Woods and Embark the who is 427 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: the Estonian, the Eastern Barcus hunt Uh and even got 428 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 1: an inside linebacker and Sean Spence. This is a completely 429 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: overhauled front seven, one that desperately needed it. Essentially everything 430 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: that Ryan Grigson could not do, Ballard has done in 431 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: about one fifteenth the time. It's gotta it's gotta pan out. 432 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: Of course, on the field, I'm sure he would be 433 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: happy if even to start two out of three of 434 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: the I I agree with West and I agree with you. 435 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: It's been great. And you know what's crazy in terms 436 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: of how bad Ryan Grigson was. They've added all these 437 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: pieces and I like these guys. I think they're gonna 438 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: play starters snaps. They still have about five or six 439 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: spots on that defense where they could really use upgrade. 440 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: I I was looking at kind of their draftings like 441 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: they need everything on that team except for wide receiver, 442 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: tight end, and I guess quarterback. You know, if you 443 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: don't want to worry about Scott Tolzine taking all your 444 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: off season snaps, which is what's happening right now, I'd 445 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: certainly be worried about it, a little worried. So are we, 446 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: Greg Where are we with Chris Ballard right now? I'm 447 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: I'm fine with them. I'm saying he's bringing a different 448 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: energy and he's he's the guy that just can't quite 449 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: put my finger on, but he's different than the rest 450 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: of the gms. You two have severe issues. I would 451 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: suggest you address them. Why it was just it was 452 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: at the end of my advice. If you were there, 453 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: you have to understand the energy, that wasting energy you 454 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: guys keep talking about. There was something going on. I'm 455 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: watching the energy is bringing to a team that desperately 456 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: needed it. You can go, you know, go on with 457 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: your personal observations. I don't know what you guys are 458 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: talking about. Are you is that your is that ed? 459 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: Is that your Marxist? Very very uh defensive of Chris Ballard. 460 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: I think he has done a great job. We'll see 461 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: Colts fans. I think Colts fans finally feel like they 462 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: have someone in their in their building that that cares 463 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: about building a roster, versus arguing with the coach. Damn 464 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: Barry and Greg go, sorry, I'm not sure we are 465 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: Barry the Greg bone. As Greg shows me a screen 466 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: grab of Chris Ballard. I'm just saying, it's a mystical 467 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: energy around Chris. Sorry. Mark. Finally, Bill Belichick, you know, 468 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: for a team that's supposedly famous for um, you know, 469 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: keeping things behind closed doors and Patriot Way, this team 470 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: is in the news a lot. And maybe it's because 471 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: they're just so damn good and everyone's so interested in 472 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: the coach and the tight end and the quarterback and 473 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: everybody else. But Belichick did an interview with author and 474 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: journalist Susie Welch Uh. And in that interview, it was 475 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: a long ranging interview. West you quite liked it. I know, 476 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: um because it really bel Chick dove into a lot 477 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: of aspects of his history and his thoughts on coaching. 478 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: And one one aspect of the interview, or the aspect 479 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: of the interview that got the most play, was Belichick 480 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: and welch played a word association game. Ward association games 481 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: are sneaky good uh tools because they get people to 482 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: say things. Because the very nature of it speed answer, Uh, 483 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: you can get something, some good info. And I think 484 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: that Susie did a nice job here with Bill. It's 485 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: here some word association. I'm gonna say wordn't just want 486 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: your immediate snap reaction. Okay, sure football more sport than business, 487 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: but it's a business. But I respect the game for 488 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: the game and for the sport the media. It's how 489 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: a team connects to its fans. Ridiculous. Aaron here Land 490 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: is tragedy. Heartbreaking, Yes, that would be another word. Winning 491 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: the goal. There's no medals for trying. This isn't like 492 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: eighth grade, where everybody gets a trophy. We're in a 493 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: professional sport and it's competitive to win. That's what we do. 494 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: There you go. There were many interesting tidbits in this 495 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: article from Bill Belichick and his philosophy on coaching, the 496 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: lessons he's learned. The one I found most interesting was 497 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: the lesson he learned that you count on your most 498 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: dependable players, not your most talented players. And I think 499 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: when you try to figure out his philosophy of roster building, 500 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 1: why he jettisons some guys in their prime, why he 501 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: gets rid of a Jamie Collins and keeps a Dante 502 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: high Tower. Jamie Collins is more talented than than Dante 503 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: Hige Tower. He's found High Tower to be more dependable. 504 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: And it's not just those two as an example. There 505 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: are many examples where he leans on. He even points out, look, 506 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: Tom Brady is not the most talented guy in the world, 507 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: but find a more dependable quarterback than Tom Brady in 508 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: NFL history. Yeah, people were trying to push that today 509 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: that uh, the Brady. They try to isolate that quote 510 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: and say that Belichick said that Brady wasn't the most athletic. 511 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: What was the exact wording it was, was it the 512 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: most athletic player or wasn't a very athletic player, But 513 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: he's what he's saying. Everybody knows if you know the 514 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: game that Brady started a certain way, and through hard 515 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: work and preparation and just mastering the position, became something 516 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: totally different. Obviously, somebody that you can trust above anyone else, 517 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: and that's why they've been together for fifteen years. That audio, 518 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: by the way, and video if you're watching our show, 519 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: was courtesy of c n b C see like a 520 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: big Susie Welts fan. I mean, he really like kind 521 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: of opened up for he was he was Was that 522 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: it a Buffalo Wild Wings or something? It was kind 523 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: of one of those restaurants where the license plates were 524 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: under the glass. It's like what we take a bill 525 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: there was that a real crowd behind them or or 526 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: a piped in crowd. I can't it was. It sounded 527 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: like actual like it was like boys in the middle 528 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: of like a bar and grill. M what is saying 529 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: go to and get a nice restaurant reservation? Say I 530 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: have the head coach of the New England Patriots. Uh, 531 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: do you think we can get like a private booth area, uh, 532 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: to conduct this, and I'm sure the restaurant would go yeah, yeah, 533 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: we would hamma yeah. But instead they go to the 534 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: Buffalo Wildwood Wings on the We don't have you been 535 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: in a Buffalo weld Wings late, not in a while, 536 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: because it's like they're at the Bubba Gump on the 537 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: Santa Monica Pier. It's like, let's, you know, go to 538 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: a nicer place. That's all I hear that. That's what's 539 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: happening in the news. We forgot one thing. Just the 540 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: tone of his voice. By the way, when he says 541 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: ridiculous after deflagate, that's Bill Belichick right here. He's like, 542 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: contain yourself. Uh wait, sorry, West. The dates have been 543 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: announced for the Tybee Island Super Bowl. Oh s, I 544 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: did not forget. I just it was so important West 545 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: that I've breaken. I've broken it out of news. Apologies now, 546 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: no apologies, tramp. It's fine, it's fine, but it was 547 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: that important to me. The the Falcons are hosting the 548 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in a couple of years. The NFL announced 549 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: officially that Super Bowl fifty three will be played inside 550 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: that new stadium, Mercedes Benz Stadium, on February third, two 551 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, the first game in Atlanta in nineteen years, 552 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: and and what West is getting at Chris, you are 553 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: very excited, as we all are, because what is the 554 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: possibility and play here. We need to start laying the 555 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: groundwork now that this is absolutely going to happen, because 556 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: there's no reason for it not to happen. That Friday, 557 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: most of our work is done for the week, All 558 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: the teams are done, given their interviews. We jet out 559 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: of there in a car, the four of us Connor Patra. 560 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: We hit Tybee Islands, a three hour and forty five 561 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: minute drive. I'll be happy to drive there as long 562 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: as someone else drives back. Uh. We go to Tybe Island, 563 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: we record the last podcast that that late week podcast 564 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: at Huckapoo, and then we party Friday night and Saturday, 565 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: and we get back Sunday morning, ready for revitalized and 566 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: ready for Sunday afternoon, like maybe four thirty pm, just 567 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: just ahead of kick off four something like that. Revitalized. 568 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: That's the word you're gonna use for how we would 569 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: return from this was playing around on our I am 570 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: client and uh, David Eally who is West's boss, and 571 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: My boss terrified potentially at the thought of this, as 572 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: he said, if I'm still involved in the company at 573 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: this point, you you simply have to get back to 574 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: the game on time. I would say this has potentially, 575 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: on one end of the spectrum, be one of the 576 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: greatest things we've ever done as a group. And on 577 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: the other end, West exits as sort of a Barrett 578 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: Robbins figure and we never see him at that super Bowl. 579 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: It's gonna be one of the one of the two. Yes, 580 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: just like Barrett Robbins of the Raiders went to Mexico 581 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: and uh missed the game, right, he just missed it out. 582 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: It's the game. Uh, it's It's definitely in play, I 583 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: would say for the Prodigal West. But I will say this, 584 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: I I absolutely think we would have to take advantage 585 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: of that. In fact, if we really really mobilized and 586 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: got this thing set up and the Shadowy League figures 587 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: shot it down through ambivalence and just you know, not 588 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: being plugged into the show and the audience, the super 589 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: Bowl show will be our last podcast and then at 590 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: that we quit, right and at that point we don't 591 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: fly back on the chartered plane with with our employees 592 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: we simply all move to TYPEE and we stay there 593 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: from now until the end of time. We start a 594 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: football podcast. There you go. We're trying to squeeze it 595 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: into one day. Let it go on post super Bowl forever. Well, 596 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: the worst case scenario for me, we don't do the 597 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: podcast from there. We just Friday afternoon. I'm going anyway. Look, 598 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: we're free from Friday afternoon until game time. I mean, 599 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: I've I've been pretty salty about Atlanta getting this Super 600 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: Bowl over New Orleans for a long time to crime 601 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: now I'm starting to warm up. This could be. I 602 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: think it will be our finest moment as a podcast 603 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: if we're still around, if we're still employed by the company. 604 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: That's not a lot of factors variables, all right, I 605 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: have to deliver right now, gentlemen. A draft fact time 606 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: now for draft packs driven by Hyundai, Rhymes of Sunday 607 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: and this draft back. I'll go all the way back 608 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: to the two thousand nine draft. What a year. And 609 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: um who could forget the six pick of the third 610 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: round of the two thousand nine draft. You know him, 611 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: Bradley Fletcher, defensive back St. Louis Rams went on to 612 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: play my r own seven seasons and forced four fumbles 613 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: and had a sack and jeez eight interceptions over a 614 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: career spent with the Rams, the Eagles and the New 615 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: England Patriots started fifty four games. I think I wrote 616 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: a few, wrote a world blurt Bradley Fletcher back in 617 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: the day. I mean, I now know the purpose of 618 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: why we have this show on Thursday streamed and you 619 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: can watch it on video on NFL dot com because 620 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: you can literally watch Dan Google and find the draft 621 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: backed of the day. Und getting their money's worth, no doubt, 622 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: just like any Hyundai customer, well done. Mark that was 623 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: draft backs driven by Hyundai. Sydney is furious with us, 624 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: as usually, it's not the only things she's furious. But um, 625 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: all right, now it's time to move on to the 626 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: next portion of the program, drap butts mhm's that time? 627 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: Is that time? Greg, Because and here is the conceit 628 00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: of this segment, Umm, the d raft is a time 629 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: where gms and coaches, they work together with scouts, everyone 630 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: in the front office, they all come together. Hopefully they're 631 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: all pulling in the same direction. Mark, you have fears 632 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: in your team's front office that that might be might 633 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: not be the case. But the hope is everyone's working 634 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: together to identify ways to make the team better. And 635 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: if you're a GM that's coming off a disappointing year, 636 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: or if you're a player who's also come off a 637 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: disappointing year, and there's a possibility that a move could 638 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: be made in this draft that could leave your buttocks 639 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: straight up roast and dog, straight up roasted buttocks because 640 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: they're making a move to essentially potentially replace you, or 641 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: you have enough heat on you where you could be 642 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: replaced if you fang yourself in a big spot in 643 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: this draft. That's what this seg hot draft butts is 644 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: all about. So funny, I don't know, just just the 645 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: ridiculousness of the phrase buttocks straight up roast and dog. 646 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: It's like, let's say that this is a legitimate set 647 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: up to our our segment. Buttocks will be straight up 648 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: roast and dog. It's a very real seg in a 649 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: big spot. Here we go, and Mark you do so 650 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: such great work at NFL dot com. Thank you. What 651 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,479 Speaker 1: better person to start this exercise off within you? Thank 652 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: you for that uncondescending introduction to my segment of this 653 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: sport program. There I will say this. I will go 654 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: to the state of Ohio, but I'm not going to 655 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: Cleveland this time. We know their butts are hot. They 656 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: gotta nail this thing. But I'm gonna go to Cincinnati 657 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: because under the radar, Marvin Lewis has slowly verbally been 658 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: acknowledging that his the grip he has over his job 659 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: is really, really in a precarious position at this point, 660 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis, isn't it it? That is an old sound bite. 661 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: I did not say that right now. But let's just 662 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: travel back in time a little bit. In December, before 663 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: the season was over, he basically said that he basically 664 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: planned to coach the team next year, all In still involved, 665 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: and that put to bed rumors that he was potentially 666 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: gonna retire. One month later, he said he was hoping 667 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: for a contract extension, using the words we'd like to 668 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 1: agree on something at some point. It puts I think 669 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: everybody's mind at ease going forward for their futures. One 670 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: month later, February, Lewis said it's not crucial in quotes 671 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: for him to sign a contract extension, saying, if things 672 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: work out, we would look, we would look to do that. 673 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: And now let's go to April just a few a 674 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: few days ago. Louis says basically there is no expectation 675 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: of a contract extension, saying it's not really a subject 676 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: that's on his mind all of a sudden, So he's 677 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: not getting one. And I think basically the one year 678 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 1: trial from Marvin Lewis, he's the second longest tenured coach 679 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL, begins with this draft, and there are 680 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: whispers that his grip over this draft is not what 681 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: it's been in years past. Is they've got other people 682 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: in the front office with more power, and it's not 683 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: just the Marvin Lewis show the way it was for 684 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: a long time. So I think a the Bengals, we 685 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: saw what happened in free agency. This is no longer 686 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: a team that we can easily call one of the 687 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: most talented in the a f C, which we did, 688 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: no matter whether or not they want a playoff game. 689 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: That the roster was unbelievable through the way they built 690 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: that team free agency in the draft. Now you've had 691 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: your offensive line raided, your quarterback got killed last year 692 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: behind a bad offensive line. You now lost your your 693 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: right guard and you're starting left tackle. You got complete 694 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: question marks filling in, so you got to try to 695 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: find offensive line help in a draft that could be 696 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: one of the worst offensive line drafts. And they're saying 697 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: fifteen years. So that's a problem. And on top of 698 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: you have other holes. So it's a it's a huge 699 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: mountain climb from Marvin Lewis, and you gotta wonder if 700 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna get out of this his butt is it's hot. 701 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: The position I have taken on this for a long 702 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: time and continue to be my position is that his 703 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: relationship with the Bengals ends when he wants it to end, 704 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: not when the Bengals wanted to want it to end. 705 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: M hmm. Do you think this this year is a 706 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: little different because he's been doing these one, one and 707 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: one two year contract extensions for so long and this 708 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: time around he's saying he wants it, and now he's 709 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 1: saying it's not in his minding, he doesn't have it. 710 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: That's the red blagu. The Bengals operate differently than every 711 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: other team in the NFL, though, and their front office 712 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: is convoluted. When you say that he's losing some voice 713 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 1: in the draft room, that likely means I would think 714 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: that Duke Tobin is running things and he's he's done 715 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: a good job. It's probably a good thing if Duke 716 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: Tobin is running things. But what you say is very 717 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: fair that it's a bad sign that he hasn't gotten 718 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: an extension. But whatever, whether the Bengals moved to action 719 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: on actually firing him, I doubt that, well they got 720 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: they have problems. I do think they need to hit 721 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: and I think that, but it's a little bit hotter 722 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: because of the way the Bengals have been doing things 723 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: the last five years. They are about drafting and developing 724 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: slowly about as much as any team in the league. 725 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: They draft guys in the first round and don't play 726 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: him until the third year, and then they become productive 727 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: starters sometimes. So they are not a team that's used 728 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: to just plugging in guys. They usually have guys already 729 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: there in the starting lineup that are ready to take 730 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: those roles, and they don't need rookies. And now you 731 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: look at this roster on the offensive line, and then 732 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: you know different parts of the deference, certainly linebacker and 733 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: up front, and they need guys to come in and 734 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: contribute right away. And that's not really what the Bengals 735 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: have done lately. Chris Westling Tucks was it about a 736 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: week and a half ago. Two weeks ago, Daniel Jeremiah 737 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 1: was on this very program, and when he wasn't taking 738 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 1: pot shots at Dan Hansas, he was giving us info. Well, 739 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: he was at least suggesting that the Chiefs might be 740 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: a team willing to draft a guy like Patrick Mahomes 741 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: and let him sit for a year before eventually taking 742 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,479 Speaker 1: over Alex Smith. I believe Alex Smith has a hot butt. 743 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: As much as they've come out and said he's our guy, 744 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: I think they know their ceilings capped with him in 745 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs. They're not gonna beat the Steelers or the 746 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,959 Speaker 1: Patriots with Alex Smith as their quarterback. So it would 747 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: not surprise me at all if a first or second 748 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: round draft pick, and this draft is used to a 749 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: select his successor, and when you get into something like that, 750 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: extended slumps mean there's pressure to start playing the guy 751 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: behind the starter makes sense. Not getting any younger alexmeth 752 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: not that he's old, but he's thirty three. You're not 753 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: expecting him to take a big, massive leap and he 754 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: and he had a year last year that was not 755 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: as good as his other seasons in Kansas City certainly 756 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: not the as good as the two previous seasons. So 757 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: that's and his weapons were better great, and that that's 758 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: a bit of a concern. I think it makes sense. 759 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: It's almost amazing if you would have said in two 760 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen when they traded for him, that he would 761 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: have lasted four straight years as an unquestioned starter and 762 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: win as many games as he did, right, I mean, 763 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: they they've they've been among the winningness teams. I mean, 764 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: he he's had a really strange career, obviously, and when 765 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: he went to the Chiefs, remember he was playing extremely 766 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: well before he got hurt in his last year in 767 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: San Francisco and then got wiped away by Colin Kaepernick's rise. 768 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: The Niners were I'm just looking at out nineteen and 769 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: five in in his two seasons before he got me. 770 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: So I guess I'm not that surprised that he started 771 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 1: there for four years because he's always been a proficient quarterback. 772 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: And they just just yesterday on NFL Network they played 773 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: that heartbreaking Chiefs lost to the Colts. I think it 774 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: was forty four in the playoffs. A couple of years ago, 775 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: where Smith played out of his mind in that game. 776 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: But obviously that is not the Alex Smith that you're 777 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: getting week to week in the regular season. And I 778 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: totally get it, uh and West, I think it's a 779 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: It's a great name to bring up because if you're 780 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: going into this this will be his fourth year, fifth, 781 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,919 Speaker 1: this will this will be his fifth I mean, it's 782 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: kind of sit or get off the pot time. Even 783 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: if you have been a provision starter, they need to 784 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: decide that this guy's a super Bowl guy. Well, and 785 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: and to your point, where's like when we talk about 786 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: the messaging now, is we're gonna draft someone to groom 787 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: for one to maybe even three years before they become 788 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: a starter. That just does not exist anymore. Remember Ryan 789 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: Tannehill the red shirt year, Blake Bortles the red shirt year. 790 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: It is it is April nonsense, when nut, when those 791 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: words are being used. If Alex Smith comes out and 792 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: the Chiefs who have high expectations are not getting the 793 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: job done, someone like Patrick mahomes is, the fans are 794 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: gonna go nuts to want to see someone like that 795 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: moving up. Alright, So Blake Bortles, that's hot, but that 796 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,720 Speaker 1: guy's his buns are on fire. Uh, it's a hot heinie. 797 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: And you know I because I don't care that they 798 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 1: resigned Chad Henny and I don't care that Bortles is 799 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: telling people that his mechanics are back on track. Uh. 800 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: I look at this situation and as Tom Coughlin has 801 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 1: taken the reins of that organization, and he has no 802 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: like relationship with he doesn't. I don't know if he's 803 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: even talked to him yet because of the rules of 804 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: the league, so it's not like he has anything invested 805 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: in borders and making that work. He's gonna look at 806 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 1: it clinically, and all he has to go off is 807 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: some pretty grizzly tape. Uh watching it right now? Yeah, 808 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: if you're watching the video show, Um, you could check 809 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: it out. But like Grizzly tape last year. And let's 810 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: let's come down with the that he played so great 811 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: for two games at the end of season. Even forget 812 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: about all that, and and remember that even the quote 813 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: unquote breakout season maybe could have been a little bit 814 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: of a mirage on some level. And understand this, and 815 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: this is where his butt gets really hot. The draft 816 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 1: is what April outside it. Yes, the draft is April 817 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: Thursday nine. Alright, April outdoors. We did say before the 818 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: show West doesn't have bits. I mean this is usually 819 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 1: just more straight. You're more of the straight man. Yeah, straight. 820 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: I think not having bits is a credit to you. 821 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 1: I don't know not having bits. It's one of my 822 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: bits anyway. April ninth to dress in Philadelphia outdoors. May 823 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: second is when the Jaguars have to decide to pick 824 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,720 Speaker 1: up that fift year option. He'll know by April whether 825 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 1: that app option uh will definitely not be picked up. 826 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: He won't know for sure if it will be. But 827 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: if they go and Tom Coffin identifies a guy he likes, uh, 828 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 1: they I absolutely think the Jaguars are in play to 829 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: take one of these quarterbacks. Probably don't have a newcomer 830 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: come in. I disagree. Yeah, I think there's a very 831 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: real chance that a newcomer could come in and steal 832 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: the show, and Blake Borders should be very nervous. What 833 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: didn't you say it's far more likely to happen at 834 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: the top of the second round than the number four 835 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: overall pick. Absolutely, okay, yeah, I agree with that, And 836 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: they've had guys like Deshaun Watson in there, for visits. 837 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: They're clearly interested in in this crop of rookies. Well, 838 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: I've been mystified all offseason about their approach uh supporting Bordles, 839 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,760 Speaker 1: So it would make a lot more sense if they, 840 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: if they actually in this whole time have had it 841 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: in their head, we probably will draft a quarterback in 842 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: the first two or three rounds and have someone there 843 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: that can possibly place sooner than or David Caldwell, who 844 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: you know put his neck out to draft Boardles and 845 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: was the voice of the front office, was that support 846 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: for Blake Bortles, and you know he's he's found some 847 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: good players. But Tom Coflan has coming and completely changed 848 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: the power structure. The voice of the organization is now 849 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, Dave Caldwell. You could find him actually in 850 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: the Poconosa State formally occupied by Howie Roseman during the 851 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: early Chip Kelly years. He actually is now sub letting 852 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: it out to Caldwell. That's a true story. I mean, 853 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: no one, no one's gotten more of a pass from 854 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: the media in general than the Jaguars. I was looking at, 855 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: I get it, but the most you know, I looked 856 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: at the most wins and losses over the last five years, 857 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: the Jaguars have more losses than the Browns. They are 858 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 1: the worst team, and the Jaguars are ten losses clear 859 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: of the even the third worst team. So the Jaguars 860 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: and the Browns were the two worst by a long shot. 861 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: And you don't really think of them. Maybe you do 862 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 1: think of them at that that lower level. I think 863 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: they're on the They have not won more than five 864 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: games in six years, Like that's hard to think. I 865 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: don't think of them as winning anything, but just the 866 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: perception was always hope filled. There was always hope, and 867 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: now it's like, come on. They definitely got on people's 868 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: radar this past year because everyone got sucked in and 869 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: then they stunk, and now Gus Bradley finally got wiped away. 870 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: And I look at that roster and I like it. 871 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: If it wasn't for quarterback, I'm I would be I 872 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,720 Speaker 1: would be in on this year. Alright, Greg, your turn, 873 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,359 Speaker 1: talk about some but well, this is a surprising one 874 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 1: to suddenly be feeling the flame out of nowhere. Some 875 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: whispers about Carlos hide in San Francisco could be worried 876 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: about a number two overall draft pick, perhaps Leonard four 877 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: Nett landing there. Who knows if they trade down, who 878 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: knows if they take a running back later in the draft. 879 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,880 Speaker 1: Multiple reports, and granted these are from draft analysts, um 880 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: you know, not not always the most trustworthy reports in 881 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: the world, but some reports that they were ready to 882 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: move on from Carlos Hide. And more interesting to me 883 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: is the fact that John Lynch, their general manager, was 884 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: asked about that report and he just kind of talked 885 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: around it. I mean, he he said, they're hopeful that 886 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: they can that he could fit in the offense, but 887 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: particularly when there's a new regime, they want to kind 888 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: of see it. You're not sure if this skill sets 889 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: going to translate, which I think reading between the line 890 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: is that they're not too sure about Carlos Hide. And 891 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: I think they're a team that's gonna want to really 892 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: focus on running the football and get it running back 893 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: or or a couple running backs that fits what Kyle 894 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,719 Speaker 1: Sannahan wants to do, and maybe Carlos Hyde is not 895 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: that guy. This one does not pass my smell test 896 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: for several reasons. First of all, a roster this week 897 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: cannot afford to spend the number two overall pick on 898 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: a running back. Second of all. Kyle Shanahan came out 899 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: in early March and already named Carlos Hide the starter. Well, 900 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: there's no one else on the roster, said when he 901 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: watched the tape, he's the guy who stood out. He 902 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: also said people overrate too much. What what the scheme 903 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 1: is that if you're a good running back, you can 904 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: run in any scheme. And third, when I watched all 905 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,359 Speaker 1: of Colin Kaepernick's games, Carlos High jumped off jumped off 906 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: the film. He was their best offensive player by a 907 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: long shot. This guy's too talented to give up on. 908 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: When I hear John Lynch say those things, he's talking 909 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,320 Speaker 1: about motivation, he's trying to motivate Carlos Hide stay on 910 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,919 Speaker 1: the field. It seems like the wrong guy to pick 911 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: on outside of the motivation side on that roster. There's 912 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: just not that much talent. And he did put good 913 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: he did play some good games. And also, what is 914 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: number two back? But what is his number one criticism 915 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: of Carlos Side doesn't stay on the field. Maybe that 916 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: would be number one. I would say on the field, 917 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: what's the number one criticism? Not not involved in the pack, 918 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: Like is the guy that loves to bounce it outside 919 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,360 Speaker 1: all the time. I mean that's they they killed him, like, 920 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,399 Speaker 1: just hit the whole stop trying to make a big 921 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: play all the time. I mean, he is an incredible 922 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: running back to watch in terms of his skill and 923 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: the way to make people miss his His size is 924 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: unbelievable as so much talent, and I think that's why 925 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,840 Speaker 1: he pops off the tape. But I think the coaches 926 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: get driven a little crazy that he just won't just 927 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: take the whole you're given. And that is the opposite 928 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: of what Kyle Sanahan looks for in a running back. 929 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,440 Speaker 1: He wants someone like Tevin Coleman that might not have 930 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: much wiggle but just kind of goes. He don't even 931 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 1: had a chance to coach him. He's not give it 932 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: a month, give it some time. I mean, Shanahan has 933 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: done a great job with running backs who were not 934 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,200 Speaker 1: as successful before he found them. He could plug a 935 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: guy in off the street and have him run for 936 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: a thousand yards. I just think it's I I get 937 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: where you're coming from. And if they draft someone, and 938 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: if they drafted running back at number two, then I 939 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: think then then the lays the lazy foundation. But I 940 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: just don't think that at this point where getting rid 941 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: of Carlos Hide on the forty niners, Greg, there's some 942 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: good points are made. Let's see, do you still feel 943 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: as strongly as you did four minutes ago. I mean, 944 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: i'm I'm I know. West made some good points. Mark 945 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 1: made some good points. Well, that was you don't even 946 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: believe in the second part of your stay. I don't 947 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 1: know what I was. I'm more confused because this was 948 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: West's idea. But then he shot. I was like, oh, 949 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 1: that's a good idea because it is a good story. 950 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: That there is some smoke there. But I think more 951 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: smoke than fire. I I think it makes sense. Maybe 952 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: it's not the number two overall pick. I don't think 953 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: it needs to be the number two. In the third round, right, 954 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,840 Speaker 1: you can get your starting we're all getting cozy. You 955 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,359 Speaker 1: can get your starting running back in the third round. 956 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,799 Speaker 1: They'll draft a guy in the third round and then 957 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: Carlos Hyde will beat him out fair segment over This 958 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: surprisingly got on Mark's radar. Yes, I was, I was waiting. 959 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: I believe me. I understand why it's on my radar. 960 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,040 Speaker 1: I was waiting. It was like Fury Smarmie. It was 961 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 1: like forty minutes, but you know, into the show and 962 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: I still hadn't had Mark mad at me, and maybe 963 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,439 Speaker 1: well it was highly smarmy comment by you, and what 964 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,919 Speaker 1: it's late on a Thursday afternoon. I don't even enough. 965 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,359 Speaker 1: I don't even know what the SMARMI one was this um, 966 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: people are worried about us, Smark. I'm starting to get worried. 967 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 1: I'm not worried. Heat on Twitter from our Thursday hit 968 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: that came from me. It's like it's like, I know 969 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: Mark hates me, but now it's like everyone not everyone. 970 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: I do not hate you, but I will not take 971 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: I will not accept smarminess smartiness. That's two very different things. 972 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: It's it's all real, folks. Um alright, uh so that's 973 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: our that's our talk, that's our hot draft butts talk. 974 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 1: And I enjoyed it at anytime I can say, but 975 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: twenty five times in fifteen minutes on a podcast that's 976 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,719 Speaker 1: listened to by hundreds of thousands of people, I feel like, 977 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,120 Speaker 1: including your bosses, I feel lucky. We know that you 978 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,279 Speaker 1: like that aspect. Cheating life, cheating life. All right, here 979 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 1: we go to end the show today, We're gonna bring 980 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: on a special guest, as we teased live from his 981 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: haunted mansion in New Jersey. There's nobody better than Connor Or. 982 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: Let's welcome him to the Around the NFL podcast driven 983 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,320 Speaker 1: by One Day. There he is Connor Or on Skype. 984 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 1: This one's for the ladies, and this is where the 985 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: video podcast really pays off. You gotta watch this. Look 986 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: at that headset too. You are you are really important 987 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: looking right now. You also kind of look like an 988 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,640 Speaker 1: assistant baseball coach for the local high school. Yeah, that's 989 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,359 Speaker 1: what I'm going for, like out of work umpire. That's 990 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: the That's kind of my thing right now. Alright. So 991 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: Connor reached out to me earlier this week as he's 992 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: wont to do, and said, hey, or you kidding me, 993 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 1: it's time to bring it back because I have something 994 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 1: that's really grinding my gears. And and if you're not 995 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: familiar with or you kidding me, it is the platform 996 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,720 Speaker 1: for Connor or one of our gifted writers for NFL 997 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: dot com, to let people know what's going on in 998 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: his mind, something that he's seeing out there in the 999 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: pop monoculture, and you want to take it down a notch. 1000 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: Just typically how this goes is that correct. Yeah, I 1001 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 1: would say you're nailing it. Yeah, alright, So today's topic 1002 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: is gonna be uh Tony Romo and his his issue 1003 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,879 Speaker 1: or his decision to travel with the MAVs to their 1004 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: final regular season game. That got on Connor's grid. And 1005 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 1: I will tell you this, Connor, because it's so special, 1006 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 1: because we're on a video show, because it is a 1007 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 1: juicy topic. We gotta bring back an old friend. He's 1008 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 1: from the second floor. Uh, he works in product. His 1009 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: name is Patrick Kagogo. Oh yeah, Incogogo, welcome back, be 1010 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,920 Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast. He brought us his axe at 1011 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: don't know the model, what is it? A Fender jazz Master. 1012 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: And what he's gonna do, that's what he's gonna do. 1013 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 1: He's gotta strap. That's what he's gotta stre You know why, 1014 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:28,839 Speaker 1: because we're about to play. Are you kidding me? What 1015 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: are we doing? All right, Connor, let's go alright. So 1016 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: I think this has been woefully misrepresented in the media 1017 00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,880 Speaker 1: this week. But I was watching Good Morning Football this 1018 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 1: morning and they were talking about shameless product. Sorry, go ahead, 1019 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 1: that's that's okay. They were talking about Tony Romo's quote 1020 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,959 Speaker 1: special we and they said like you know that he's 1021 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,120 Speaker 1: getting Tony Rum was getting all these fun experiences, like 1022 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,760 Speaker 1: he's some sort of fourth grader that won the spelling 1023 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: be but there's no ice cream at their house. So 1024 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 1: like he just to play with the Mavericks for a 1025 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: night just because he was good at basketball once and 1026 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 1: just felt like and I think that's like the stupidest 1027 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: thing ever, Tony. You're a little too lucky to get 1028 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 1: what you get in this world, aren't you. I could 1029 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,560 Speaker 1: do better than that, going like he's he's already decided, okay, 1030 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,000 Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna be a broadcaster and then kick 1031 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,640 Speaker 1: this other guy out. He's been doing this for thirty years, 1032 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 1: and now they're like, well I I vaguely like golf too, 1033 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: so let's put him on the Masters because that seems important. Like, 1034 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, in my hometown right now is hiring a 1035 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 1: building inspector, so like Tony has been in buildings, Like 1036 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 1: why don't we just you know, how do we do? 1037 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: I think it's just like so the Albert player, he 1038 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,319 Speaker 1: was like like low fit to Tupu retired five years ago. 1039 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,239 Speaker 1: But maybe he wanted to drive Tony Stewart's car at 1040 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,279 Speaker 1: the d Let's let him do that, Like we'll check 1041 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 1: with him and make sure that that's something that he 1042 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,520 Speaker 1: didn't want to do first. It's Tony's world, we're just 1043 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:25,040 Speaker 1: living in it, and that ain't fair. So what are 1044 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: you saying, though, What are you saying that Tony Romo 1045 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,239 Speaker 1: uh should kind of quietly go into the next phase 1046 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,440 Speaker 1: of his career, not be celebrated by the city of Dallas, 1047 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,640 Speaker 1: where he was one of their favorite sons for a 1048 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,279 Speaker 1: decade plus. I mean, let's be fair, you're being a 1049 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,719 Speaker 1: little crotchety. It's true because he brought them so many 1050 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,400 Speaker 1: Super Bowls and uh titles and everything like that, but 1051 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:58,799 Speaker 1: total burn. He never won nothing that was dark, that 1052 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:05,000 Speaker 1: was so But like, you know, so where do we 1053 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: draw the line? Now, does like John Beeson get to 1054 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: play for the Mighty Ducks when he's you know, like 1055 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,239 Speaker 1: now that he's done doing whatever he wants to do, 1056 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,200 Speaker 1: and like we're we're just like I almost made the 1057 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,520 Speaker 1: mock trial team. Can I sit on the Supreme Court 1058 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 1: for one day before you know, I'm done with the 1059 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 1: NFL just to over try to overturn something save it 1060 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 1: for the politics podcast. So your point is that Tony 1061 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: Ramo just wasn't enough of a legend to be able 1062 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,760 Speaker 1: to kind of pick and choose whatever he wants to 1063 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 1: do in this dream week. Why doesn't like, let's find 1064 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: like a like a kid who broke his arm at 1065 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,880 Speaker 1: school and can't play baseball, so he can sit on 1066 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: the bench. Let's let him do it, or like, you know, 1067 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 1: let's let some you know, this girl that gets picked 1068 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,720 Speaker 1: on or something like that, and she's having a bad week. 1069 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: Let's let her sit on the bench and and hang 1070 00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: out with the mavericks. I think that's a way better 1071 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,800 Speaker 1: use of everyone in time. Then oh and then like 1072 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,760 Speaker 1: the crowd was channing to get and he wanted to 1073 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,440 Speaker 1: get into the game, Like what do you do and 1074 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 1: you're not You're on the roster, Kna, you seem a 1075 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:19,919 Speaker 1: little bit petty. My counterpoint, Connor, because we did write 1076 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,560 Speaker 1: about this on the end around that people take everything 1077 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: so seriously and anybody that got got got their britches 1078 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,400 Speaker 1: in a bunch about the the mean he's in a 1079 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,840 Speaker 1: bunch about there this idea that Tony Romo can't sit 1080 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 1: at the end of the bench and get loud ovation 1081 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,320 Speaker 1: from the people of Dallas for a one off thing 1082 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,680 Speaker 1: where it will be forgotten. But everyone that was there 1083 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,919 Speaker 1: enjoyed it, and it got some good pub and moved 1084 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,000 Speaker 1: some merch I mean, there's so many worse things to 1085 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,680 Speaker 1: get to get upset about, and you choose Tony Romo. 1086 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't understand. This is going to be the start 1087 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: of one of the dumbest traditions in sports history. That's fair. 1088 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: Like when Drew Brees retires, he's going to get to 1089 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,720 Speaker 1: play for the Pelicans. And then when I don't know 1090 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 1: when Eli Manning or tires, Oh, let's let him back 1091 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,320 Speaker 1: clean up in the Yankees one night and out of 1092 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: the playoffs Yankees. Yeah, it's and then like you know, 1093 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,160 Speaker 1: it's it's such a shameless way to push merchandise. And 1094 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 1: how many like Sheep went in there and bought jerseys 1095 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 1: that that thing sold out in the first quarter. That's 1096 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 1: so ridiculous. You've all been fooled. Is there anything else 1097 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,960 Speaker 1: you would like to add? Connor? Were you kidding me? 1098 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:48,560 Speaker 1: By Connor? Thanks Connor? Looking good? Thank you love that guy, Patrick, 1099 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for all you've done. Maybe give 1100 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: us Can you play us out again like you did 1101 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: last time? Yeah, put a little pressure on you yet, 1102 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: I'll do you up, I'll kee you up. We'll be back. 1103 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,400 Speaker 1: We will be back on Monday with another round of shows. 1104 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,400 Speaker 1: Three shows next week. Thank you to everyone listening. Remember 1105 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,480 Speaker 1: if you're if you happen to be hearing this before 1106 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,400 Speaker 1: nine pm Eastern six pm Pacific, check this show out 1107 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,840 Speaker 1: and also we'll send out a link so you can 1108 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: watch it at any time. UM. That's it, so signing off. 1109 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,520 Speaker 1: UH this is Dan Hansas for a Quiet Storm, the Mailman, 1110 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,000 Speaker 1: the Boss, uh Connor or you kidding me? And new 1111 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 1: money behind the glass till Monday. Take it away, kagango 1112 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: m but don't who