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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two

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Speaker 1: and fifty seven, and this week on the show, my

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Speaker 1: buddy Further and I are joined by the First Light

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Speaker 1: crew up at my family deer Camp to swap hunting stories,

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Speaker 1: laugh a lot, talk gear, and gush over our favorite

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Speaker 1: big game species. All right, so, welcome to the wire

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx. For the second

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Speaker 1: time in three episodes or four episodes, we're back doing

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Speaker 1: a deer camp podcast for um for good reason too.

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Speaker 1: I got I don't know if you knew this, Josh,

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Speaker 1: but I got a lot of emails and messages and

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Speaker 1: stuff saying that some people thought that was one of

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Speaker 1: their favorite episodes, the one we did with Dad. That

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Speaker 1: was cool. You had a good couple of guests on

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Speaker 1: that episode. I think that was probably what did it

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Speaker 1: that might be hit. Speaking of which, I thought a

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Speaker 1: good way to start today would be for each one

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Speaker 1: of our real guests here today we got Jordan's, Gregg

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Speaker 1: and Ford. I would like each of you to share

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Speaker 1: your favorite Further story of the week, because I've told

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Speaker 1: you it has a whole bunch of stories about Further. Um,

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Speaker 1: what stands out to you for Forward? Is your favorite

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Speaker 1: story about Further that I shared? Can you come back

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Speaker 1: to me? I gotta think through all of the ones, ever,

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Speaker 1: Greg oh Man, I was hoping I was going to

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Speaker 1: get to go last. Um. I think my favorite Further

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Speaker 1: story to this point, Man, I hate to be cliche,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's the birthday cake story. Birthday. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I know that was a front runner for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people here, but they're so special about the birthday cakes.

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Speaker 1: And I told the Birthday cake store in the podcast, Josh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you haven't. Don't. You can probably skip it now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we did. I'll give the real

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Speaker 1: cliff notes version. But we're maybe thirteen or fourteen. And

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Speaker 1: it was my birthday and for my birthday party had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of like my buddies all spent the night

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Speaker 1: and we set up a tent in the backyard of

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Speaker 1: like our suburban neighborhood and we're all going to camp

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Speaker 1: in the tent in the backyard, real real civil, low

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Speaker 1: key stuff, and uh, we're all heading out to the

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Speaker 1: tent in the evening, and uh, I happen to bramp

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Speaker 1: the fact. Oh you know, uh, there's actually coyotes. We've

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Speaker 1: been hearing coyotes out here. And I got this one

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Speaker 1: friend who back in that day, you know, he he

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Speaker 1: liked to partake in the food truck. You know, he

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Speaker 1: was just a little bit. My buddies called him Squash

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Speaker 1: back in the day before he was Further. He was

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Speaker 1: called Squash, had good nickname throughout the years, sub Squash.

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Speaker 1: Squash heard me say something about kyotes and he turn

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Speaker 1: it looked at me and his eyes were huge, like

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Speaker 1: like eight balls, and he says to me, I better

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Speaker 1: bring this birthday kick back inside. He would raise him

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Speaker 1: back inside and I think your phone makes that funky

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Speaker 1: noise and you bring close to your mike by the way. Yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: he's trying to interfere with the story. He is trying

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Speaker 1: Further train is moving. Um, so that's the birthday cake story.

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Speaker 1: And I actually gave the speech at Further's wedding. I

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Speaker 1: was the best man in his wedding and I gave

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Speaker 1: the speech and in that speech, I managed to bring

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Speaker 1: of midway through the speech. And then my line to

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Speaker 1: end the speech was, and Josh, make sure you don't

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Speaker 1: take any birthday cake in your honeymoon suite tonight. You

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Speaker 1: fit in a couple of good ones in that. I

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Speaker 1: which maybe someone Yeah, that was my favorite one, especially

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Speaker 1: the delivery off you know when you referred to a

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Speaker 1: friend that would not be named, came all the way around.

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Speaker 1: That was good. It wasn't a giveaway that I was

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Speaker 1: sitting here just like trying to hide behind my hat

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Speaker 1: or something. Not immediately to me, but not until he

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Speaker 1: Marks part. No, I don't do that with my stories.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what this this squashed guy, he

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Speaker 1: Regional Director, Ladies and gentlemen, right here as you can

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Speaker 1: see this we've been doing all weekend, just sitting around

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Speaker 1: much par for the course these days. I guess you

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Speaker 1: day is gonna come crashing down from Mark. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get my revenge. I want to give. I want to

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Speaker 1: give you further some big props because I did like

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Speaker 1: call you Don't a few weeks ago or a month

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Speaker 1: ago whatever and said, hey, we've got a group of

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Speaker 1: guys from First Like coming to deer Camp for a

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Speaker 1: nice to have someone else who kind of knows the ropes,

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Speaker 1: And uh, you were so kind to accept that. And

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Speaker 1: you run a top shelf camp. It's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. I've had a good time. Yeah, you run

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Speaker 1: an absolute top shelf camp. So so yeah, we're here

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Speaker 1: the ship. Over here to my left, I got Jordan's

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Speaker 1: how Jordan, can you tell us? Uh? Your your ten

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Speaker 1: second cliff note introduction. Who you are, what you're doing here? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Riley. I am one of the owners of

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Speaker 1: Captured Creative up here shooting stills and footage in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days. Yes. Now, continuing around the clock clockwise,

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Speaker 1: we go to forward, sitting on the leather couch. Sitting

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Speaker 1: on the leather couch, Ford van Fausten, content manager, First Light.

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Speaker 1: Next up, we've got Greg. Yeah, I'm Greg Farrell on

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Speaker 1: the product operations manager at First Light. Here. Uh, working

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Speaker 1: with you guys, trying out some gear and talking product development.

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Speaker 1: Getting some time the tree stand has been great. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I I feel like when I pitched coming up to

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Speaker 1: got two different options. We go down south and we

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Speaker 1: Or we could go up to my northern Michigan deer camp.

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Speaker 1: we're actually just having this conversation at dinner. I think

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Speaker 1: This is the quintessential in my eyes, deer camp experience.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a really cool place, a lot of history. Um,

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Speaker 1: just didn't not that. I'm I'm new to Midwestern deer

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Speaker 1: You could get much more classic than looking at twenty

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Speaker 1: odd sets of horns here on the wall above the

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Speaker 1: And it's just selective memory. I think there's enough history

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Speaker 1: so let's chat about the hunt real quick. Then me

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Speaker 1: what happened from your perspective from I'm curious what is

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Speaker 1: it like to hunt with me as a cameraman? Because

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Speaker 1: I was on the Mediator podcast a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: And then someone on going back to Instagram comments someone

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Speaker 1: they had a whole spiel about how they thought that

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Speaker 1: I sound like a horrible person to have a chastise

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Speaker 1: and criticize my cameraman. I was actually gonna ask Jordan

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Speaker 1: how Mark Mark was me and doing at all. I

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Speaker 1: We liked it a lot. It was I mean, and

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Speaker 1: and it was definitely all all does. But yeah, that's

426
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: a good point, especially they moved through quick. You know,

427
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 1: if they're not close something, it can be hard to tell.

428
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: Swish it the naked eye. Have any of you guys

429
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: ever killed a button buck mistakenly? I haven't. Now try

430
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: and check a little bit closer. It hasn't happened to

431
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: me yet, but I've always you know, I was fear

432
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I was really scouring it and just

433
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: like kind of my eyes playing tricks on me. Am.

434
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 1: I sure that's a dope, but it happened so often

435
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: it seems like further, have you done that. I've not

436
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: done that, But I'm in the same bone as Greg, Like, um,

437
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: if they just go through real quick and I can't

438
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: identify them, you know, four does or whatever. But if

439
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm able to get my buyos up and and really

440
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: see him and identify the mom I saw a button

441
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: buck or um. But yeah, I have not shot a

442
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: button buck. But to your point, it does happen all

443
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: the time. Knock on wood. Yeah, do season for you

444
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: on me is starting here pretty soon. How many does

445
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: do you want to get this year? Josh um? I

446
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: would like to shoot too, just for my personal An

447
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: interesting point we're talking about earlier. So how many deer

448
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: do you usually too? Is that what you two to three?

449
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: My wife and I we usually to have at least

450
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: like four. As long as we've got four, we're okay.

451
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: But if I don't have four and it's like late December,

452
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: my wife is on me. I get out there in

453
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: hunt does. What are you doing? We need me gotta

454
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: have four minimum? So you're doing four minimum, two of you?

455
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: And in what percent job your animal proteins game? Would

456
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: you say? Oh? I mean there's the occasional store bought

457
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: chicken very rarely. Otherwise I said um, and then we

458
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: do um in the past word by like half a

459
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: hog from an Amish farmer for some work. Um, but

460
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: red meat and four yeah dough units. Yes, and sometimes

461
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm lucky certain years like caribou had

462
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: a cariboo in their last year side of cariboo in

463
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: four dos or no sorry caribou and four deer. Well,

464
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: I guess in the last year was all though, because

465
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: I didn't kill a buck last year. This year, I've

466
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: got a little left haar of cariboo. I've got two

467
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: bucks and um, still eating some venison from last year,

468
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: but would like to get a minimum with two more. Um.

469
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: What about you, Greg, I think you were the guy

470
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: who like caught me off guard with how many of

471
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: you putting that? Yeah, there's a big number. Yeah, I

472
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 1: typically that's kind of interesting. We're doing some like body

473
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: mass math last ye. But um, from a white tails perspective, um,

474
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: I like to put about six in the freezer every year. Um.

475
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: And I'm with Mark. I mean I'm nine nine wild

476
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: game consumption. I haven't fortunately, I haven't really had to

477
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: go out and purchased meat other than that, just because

478
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: that's what I choose to eat. But um, I also

479
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of family members and friends who really

480
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: enjoy the Venison two and I like to be able

481
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: to gifted to them and like to be generous with Yeah. Yeah,

482
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: it's nice to have like a cushion quarreling it away.

483
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: But I've found even with you know, whether it's actually

484
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: six white tails or if you do the math and

485
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: figure out all Okay, I got a cow out this year,

486
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: a meal deer and kind of figuring that much protein

487
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: or meat per se um. The freezer will be empty

488
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: come September October this fall and white tail buck by

489
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: missing something else and then two white tailed dozes here.

490
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: So how it's it's it's every single meal are you

491
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: punching in? Like breakfast venison, lunch, venison, dinner venison? So

492
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we're more like one venison meal if

493
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: even a night, maybe like four nights a week, maybe

494
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: five nights a week. Yeah, I bet we'd eat venus

495
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: in four to five nights a week. Yeah, But I'm

496
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: with you, We're I would say we're game. Yeah, I'm definitely.

497
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean it, don't get me wrong. I mean I'll

498
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: go out, go out to dinner on Friday Saturday night

499
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: and have a burger, you know whatever. But um, other

500
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: than uh, you know, the maybe weekly going out to

501
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: dinner one night a week. It's the other six nights

502
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: or venison. I'm not very good at cooking for like

503
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: small groups. It's like one or two or three. So

504
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: typically I'll make like a huge dinner, whether it's massive

505
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: pot of chili, big old roast, even you know, steaks.

506
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: I'll throw eight on the grill and then that becomes

507
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: dinner for that night, a little bit of left for breakfast,

508
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: something to launch the next day, and then roll it over.

509
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: But I mean more often than not. Yeah, it's it's

510
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: part of three meals a day. I would say for myself,

511
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: it's a good way to live. I like it. I don't.

512
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: What's your number four? You know, we're still figuring our

513
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: equivalent out, I'd say, Um, we actually we had one

514
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: deer last year, which is slam for sure. Stretch that

515
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: with a lot of land pills, I'd say, but it

516
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: sounds like a horrible term just personally from my opinion. Um,

517
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: I think I think where I want to be is

518
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: about an elk and a deer a year. Seems that's

519
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: what that's what we got right now. We're gonna have

520
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: a little bis in here. It looks like hopefully if

521
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: things go well, and then I think, yeah, probably elk

522
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: and deer by the time we've give them some away,

523
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: probably a full elk and a deer. Can you talk

524
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: about that bison thing or is that? Yeah? I think

525
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: so dog's not here, so no, he doesn't know we're

526
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: giving away so the store and that because a bison

527
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: hunt is a pretty very unique Yeah, I'm actually I

528
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: will I'll leave out what hunt it is because I

529
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: don't want to draw my change the draws for myself

530
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: next year because my buddy drew it. He's actually his

531
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: hunting list so far, which I think hasn't been entirely

532
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: with me. I was with him when he shot his

533
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: first white tail, which was a button buck which he

534
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to shoot. Story he went from the button

535
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: buck to ah this uh d I y shammy hunt

536
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: we did in New Zealand on public land. So he

537
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: went to right right to the mountain mountain hunt from there,

538
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: and uh he did. He has done some Colorado l

539
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: hunting unsuccessfully in between, but then he went ahead and

540
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: drew a um a bison tag in the West this

541
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: year on the first year he put in. I think

542
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: as as he tends to do it seems like, and

543
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: uh so yeah it we'll be we'll be doing a

544
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: little bison hunt here in about two weeks, I think.

545
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: And what's your role that uh uh porter guy, yeah,

546
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: camp manage, yeah, support all the and I think certainly

547
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: packing out it's gonna be. Yeah. So you were telling

548
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: me you had some ideas about how you might because

549
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: this is a very large animal. Very large animal is

550
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: it is a cow taggy drew but I believe I

551
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: don't want to. I think cows away between maybe a

552
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve pounds still as opposed to thousand I

553
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: think for a bowl. Um, So getting it out it's

554
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: definitely a challenge. Um. The plan, the running plan right now,

555
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: which may be foolish and may not be is too

556
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: um either tore in on touring skis to hunt, which

557
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: you know skis with skins, um shoot the thing and

558
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: then sort of skid it out on load sleds um

559
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: which load sleds which are used typically for haul and

560
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: gear into back country ski huts, um out on the snow.

561
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: At least that's our running plan right now. I'm not

562
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: really sure. The good thing is there's a there's an

563
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: extraction service. If stuff hits the fan, proverbly, we can

564
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: call and they bring a draft horse out and they'll

565
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: pack it out. I think we're gonna try and avoid

566
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: doing that just because of the expense. But if we

567
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: get in a pinch or what have you, or the

568
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: snow is not deep enough for our plan to play out,

569
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: I think we'll have their phone number. Also kind of

570
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: nice as a backup plan for sure. I'd like the

571
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: sled idea. Yeah, well, we'll see, we'll see. It depends

572
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: the area we're gonna be hunting them in. In In theory

573
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: is I don't think super super it's kind of in

574
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: a valley, in a rural, mountainous area. Um So in

575
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: my head, it's like flatish and dragging stuff around on

576
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: sliders with skis. It's going to be possible, but it

577
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: could certainly be the kind of thing when you get

578
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: there and it's just totally not an option. Yeah, like

579
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: what happens when you got a downhill and you've got

580
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: four pounds of meat that's sliding down behind you. Yeah, yeah,

581
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: we'll figure that out. I think it'll I think it'll

582
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: work okay, But yeah, I mean and certainly I think

583
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: do you ride the sled down. Do you just sit

584
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: on the sled? I think you kind of cruise down,

585
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: because going downhill with climbing skins on your skis is

586
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: also kind of not a not a positive outcome either,

587
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: So I think you try and avoid super steep stuff.

588
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: And I also think I doubt will be you know,

589
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: I imagine us putting a rear quarter that maybe weighs

590
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: two pounds on the sled and going a piece. Yeah,

591
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna, you know, try and get

592
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: half half the bison on the on the sled at

593
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: one time, I think. But again, it's all it's gonna

594
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: be a big learning experience. I think just even breaking

595
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: one down it's gonna be that's really interesting. A lot

596
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: of have on blades. I think you're going to be

597
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: very intrigued. You're saying, like, how do you even gut bison? Yeah,

598
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: whether you pull the two quarters off the uphill side,

599
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: so to speak, or the exposed side and then you

600
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: pull the guts out. I mean I can only see

601
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: myself like entering the bis in rib cage trying to

602
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: pull the guts and whatnot out, So I don't I

603
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: don't know how it's gonna go. It'll be an adventure

604
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, exactly. Um, jeez, Jordan, what's your

605
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: dear number of the freezer? I bet, between my wife

606
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: and I probably do about two a year. Yeah, this

607
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: year is kind of a frantic experience. This summer in July,

608
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: I lost my chest freezer. So, yeah, you told me

609
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, that's the worst night there, I can

610
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: imagine the most sick I think I've ever felt about

611
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: anything like that. It was miserable just going into the

612
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: garage after a weekend away with family coming back and

613
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: smelling and then kind of knowing before he even open

614
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: the freezer, what what's going on in there? That that

615
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: event single handedly caused me to go out, And by

616
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: go out, I guess in this day and age, it

617
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: means go on to Amazon and purchase a freezer or alarm. Yes,

618
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: I never knew there was a thing until you told

619
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: me about. Yeah. Yeah, I think I sold a few

620
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: of them after telling the story, but bought one too. Yeah.

621
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know too terribly much about them,

622
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: but um, the one that I'm looking into at least

623
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: is kind of like temperature regulated, so if it yeah,

624
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: if it gets up above a certain degree in the freezer.

625
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: It'll let you know so you can go check it

626
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: before anything gets Yeah, it's it's real basic. It was

627
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty bucks. This is almost like I feel

628
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: like this is a sales pitch for the three yea

629
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: UM And it's essentially it's got a remote unit that

630
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: goes into the freezer, sits in there, and then it

631
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: wirelessly connects to a little thermostatic looking deal that you

632
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: know is in my kitchen and it tells me room

633
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: temperature is sixty two and freezer temperature is negative five

634
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: right now. And if the freezer hits you can program

635
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: the number I think minds twenty degrees. It starts beeping

636
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: and you know, the most irritating of ways and lets

637
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: you know that something's something's amiss are the ones they

638
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: can get that like goes your phone. There are yes, definitely,

639
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean they go up and open up for sure

640
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: in terms of I think quality and whatnot, Like a

641
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: near scenario, you weren't home so you wouldn't hear it. Yeah, exactly,

642
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: like exactly, And yeah, I mean I guess it's kind

643
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: of changed my program too, because before that I had

644
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: probably only been checking the freezer once a week, you know,

645
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: so even if it was only a couple of days,

646
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: I probably could have saved it. But yeah, so now

647
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: I will definitely be a little bit more paranoid checking

648
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: every single time I walked by it. I actually had

649
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: that happen to me that first the first year ever,

650
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: that shot. Oh yeah, but when I'm still living at home,

651
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: like right after college, and my dad had had unplugged

652
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: something in the garage. Yeah, thank you. My dad had

653
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: unplugged something to the garage and he unplugged the wrong

654
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: chord and he unplugged the freezer, and it was did

655
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: you resent him for that? I was pissed for a while.

656
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: That was your first year, the first first year, and

657
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: his dad's freezing. It was just a horrible feeling, and

658
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: he felt he felt really really bad. So now looking back,

659
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: I was fel bad that I was. I was pretty

660
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: hard on him about it, really hard on him. And

661
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: I feel bad now because I know how bad he

662
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: felt about it. No, No, are used me and to

663
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: your dad as we heard of my dad. No, we're

664
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: not mean to your dad. We just we just like that.

665
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: I don't I we were telling these guys back in

666
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: the day. We always used to go to your house,

667
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, we in high school or college. We go out,

668
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever we do late at night with

669
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: our friends and stuff. And um Josh's house was like

670
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: a friendly place to crash after the evening. That was

671
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: like because basement was a good place, was centrally located.

672
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: You knew it would be open and available. So we all,

673
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: me and a bunch of our buddies would all go

674
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: and we all crash at your house tonight. And your

675
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: dad is just like Greg and that he could be

676
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: like he could be talking and then seconds later, mid

677
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: conversation's just be passed out. I can't tell you how

678
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: many times my dad has just passed out mid conversation

679
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, And then the cool thing about your

680
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: dad those when he passes out. I feel like this

681
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: is and you tell me if this is not accurate,

682
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like every time I've ever seen him sleeping,

683
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: I've seen him sleeping many times having come over to

684
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: your house like this, He's always storing with his mouth

685
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: wide open, I mean wide open mouth. His belly is

686
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: just heathing up and down. He listened to this sometimes

687
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: take it easy. And we used to used to have

688
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: a big husky dog and we would take big dog

689
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: biscuits and stick him your dad's mouth and your dog

690
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: would jump up and start friends kissing them in the biscuits,

691
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: like jump right on his belly, and my dad freak out,

692
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: lunge up. We gave him a hard time about them.

693
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: We're pretty mean. Never gets old. I love thinking about

694
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: that every time. UM. Now I don't know where I

695
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: was going ahead and plan in my head, and we

696
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: still start talking about Frank and further almost thrown off UM,

697
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: which brings me back to Greg and the fact that

698
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: you guys are here. That was pretty cool. You guys

699
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: reached out and we're interested in spending some time together. Um.

700
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: You know, started started working with first Light this year,

701
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: which has been a cool experience getting to know everyone

702
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit better. But the fact

703
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: that you guys have have reached out pretty proactively quite

704
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: a bit to get you know, some thoughts for me

705
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: on some of the gear and UM, get to test

706
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: out some different things and then to to spend some

707
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, quality time like this. I was I was

708
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: excited about that. UM. From your guys perspective, you know what,

709
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: what were you guys hoping to achieve you know, here

710
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: doing this and it definitely seems like you guys are

711
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: prioritizing what we've got going on here in the white

712
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: Tail world. Yeah, absolutely so, Um, you know, for for

713
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: a while now, and I don't this is not a

714
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: recent thing. I mean, we've been making gear that we've

715
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: used in the white Tail would since two thousand seven.

716
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: And you know, from at inception of the company that

717
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: the Ethos has always been making super versatile gear that

718
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: will you know, keep you comfortable in a wide variety

719
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: of situations. And you know, initially that offering, that spattering

720
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: of gear was it was smaller than it is now.

721
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: You know, as a startup company. We've grown a lot

722
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: since then. Um, but to that point, we've also you know,

723
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: we've grown to a point now where you know, previously

724
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: the offerings that we had, like I said, we're very

725
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: versatile and you could use them east to west, and

726
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: we still believe that's true. I mean, the Ethos and

727
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: most of our design is to design very versatile pieces

728
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: that can be used anywhere. But that being said, Um,

729
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a Wisconsin guy. I grew up in

730
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: the Bid West and cut my teeth in white tails,

731
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for somewhat specialized pieces for

732
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: specific use cases. UM. And we know that we know

733
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: that about the West, we know about the East, we

734
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: know that about the Midwest, and a big push for us,

735
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, I would say since probably deals and thirteen

736
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: when we really started coming out with some specific white

737
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: tail gears to continue to push that movement. And we

738
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: really want to do the same thing we've done with

739
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: our Western gear in the white tail space, and that

740
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: is create products that are revolutionary. We have really no

741
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: intention on copying what's out there or making things very

742
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: similar to what's out there. We want to take you know,

743
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: what we've done in our entire company and all the

744
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: products that we've released and focus some of that attention

745
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: and some of that product development and some of that

746
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, desire to push the boundaries specifically in this

747
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: white tail space because we think that the groom to

748
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: do that, UM. And a big part of you know,

749
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: why we've reached out to you and want to spend

750
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: some time with you is, you know, we know we

751
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: can get a lot more done in a few days

752
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: of talking face to face and hunting together and you know,

753
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: talking chopper on a cool camp like this about things

754
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: that we want, things that you want, you know, where

755
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: you see that we can improve, where we think we

756
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: can improve, and you know, knock heads for a few

757
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: days and stuff like that, and we can get a

758
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: lot done. And our goal is to you know, there's

759
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: very few guys that spend as many days in a

760
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: tree stand as you do. And who better to reference

761
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: or to reach out to you or to knock heads

762
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: with on the stuff than something like that. Yeah, well,

763
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: I I appreciate, you know, the opportunity to do that

764
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: and get to, you know, share my perspective and everything.

765
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: And I've always thought whether it be product feedback or

766
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: just deer hunting knowledge or something I've never ever thought of,

767
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: like me in my perspective being all that terribly important

768
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: or useful. But I do get a unique opportunity to

769
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: talk to so many different people, all these different people

770
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: that spend a whole lot of time in the woods

771
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: that are really good at what they do, and I

772
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: get a silk and all that, and I feel like

773
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: if I'm help well any kind of way, I think

774
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: it's just by like being a conduit for all these

775
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: other people's information and getting to people. So I think

776
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: maybe that's if if I can be helpful, all it

777
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: might be in that way, I can get a lot

778
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: of different people's feedback to you guys, And I think

779
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: that's I've been trying to do a little bit, and

780
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. Yeah, I definitely think that's true. And

781
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: you know I agree with that, um. And I think

782
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: ultimately for any of these pieces that we design and

783
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: that we're trying to bring to market, really, in my eyes,

784
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: you know, as a product guy, where we can make

785
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: strides and where we can make improvements is talking to,

786
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: working with and being a part of a spattering of

787
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: people that spent a lot of days in the field.

788
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: You know, I know for myself, Um, you know, I,

789
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: like I said, group in the Midwest, spent a fair

790
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: amount of time out West. Have recently relocated back to

791
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: the Midwest. Um. You know, I know for myself in

792
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: those years that I was specifically living out West, I

793
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: would still get back and you know, I get ten, twelve,

794
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: fourteen days in a tree. But when you get that

795
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: number of days in a tree, your focus is on

796
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: just getting the job done. You know, my focus was on, Hey,

797
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm here for a short amount of time. I'm really

798
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: focused on hunting, you know, the rut. I'd love to

799
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: kill a good buck, X, Y and Z. You know,

800
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: when you're present in a specific white tail space for

801
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: an entire season. You know, but we're early December now, right,

802
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: most of us started hunting sitting in a tree in

803
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: mid September, early October. You know, when you get that

804
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: forty fifty days in a tree, your focus changes a

805
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: little bit and it's much less. Hey I need to

806
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: kill a big buck now, or hey I need to

807
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: do X, Y and Z, And you really have time

808
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: to start nitpicking, Well, should the zipper go this direction?

809
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: Should this pocket actually be here? You know? What am

810
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: I missing in this piece? What do I wish was

811
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: a little bit different about that? In those perspectives, you know,

812
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: in our eyes and especially in product development, those are

813
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: the perspectives that enact major changes and revolutionary changes. And

814
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, pieces that either already exist, you know, changes

815
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: to them, or new pieces that we need to come

816
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: out with. So those perspectives of those, you know, the

817
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: guys like yourself for anybody else that gets those high

818
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: number of days in a tree are extremely valuable in

819
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: product development. UM further, do you want to tell us

820
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: what your favorite feature was on the Sanctuary bibs. Yeah,

821
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: there's a there's one feature that I could see myself

822
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: using quite often actually, uh and there's so many stories

823
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: about further related to this kind of feature. Yeah, I'm

824
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: the Sanctuary. The Sanctuary bibs. Yeah, they have like a

825
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: emergency valve on the back side of them. You can

826
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: zip open the your rear end and have easy access to,

827
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: uh um, your undergarments if you need, if you need

828
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: to use them. All jokes aside, like that is a

829
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: really smart feature, isn't. It's just it's just it's awesome

830
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: human nature folks. Uh In anyone who listened to the

831
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: podcast a couple of weeks ago when I talked about

832
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: the poop blind story, you know that if I happen

833
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: to be wearing that set of bibs, it would have

834
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: been a different scenario a little bit. It would have

835
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: been a lot easier. Uh So I was really impressed

836
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: with that. Just like, speaking of which, are you going

837
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: to have that feature on the mid season piece at

838
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: any day or is there a reason why you didn't

839
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: put it in the mid season prototype that I was using. Yeah? So, um,

840
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: that feature definitely serves one Nature calls um. As you know,

841
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: the Sanctuary bib is a very it's a very cold

842
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: weather piece. UM. So ironically, another reason for that feature

843
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: is it's actually one of the best ways to dump heat.

844
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: So as opposed to side zips, if you can open

845
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: up the back of your pants with that zipper and

846
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: leave that top section open, it's a great way to

847
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: dump pete. So another reason that that's present in the

848
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: Sanctuary bibs is because they are so heavy you can

849
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: still wear them your walk to the stand of a

850
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: bunch of heat. UM. With the mid season kit, being

851
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: that it is designed for a more mild climate or

852
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: mild temperature hunt, we didn't include that feature. Um. It

853
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: can be a bit it's it's some extra parts and pieces, right,

854
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: and it's great when you need it. With the mid

855
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: season kit, because it's designed to be used when it

856
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: is warmer out, we knew that we weren't going to

857
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: need to be able to dump as much heat out

858
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: of those so we didn't include that feature with those pieces.

859
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: One thing I did really like about that mid season

860
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: kit was just it It did not feel bulky in

861
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. It was really nice and

862
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, I always bring this up when I'm giving feedback.

863
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't like bulky stuff. And what I liked about

864
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: that those mid season pieces it was very lightweight, UM.

865
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: So I like the fact that you want a relatively

866
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: minimalist UM style when it came to a lot of

867
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: things there to keep it. You know, UM, I'm missing

868
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: the right word in my head, but not bulky. Trim.

869
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: It's a trim athletic piece, that's I'm looking for. Triman

870
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: Athletic is how typically Mark's middle name. Thank you squash. Yeah,

871
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: I think we can talk maybe a little bit about

872
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: that now. Most of the listeners that have used our

873
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: first light white tail line before would be familiar with

874
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: the Woodberry Jacket UM as well as potentially the Sanctuary kit,

875
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: and one of our big focuses UM this year was

876
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: the redesign of what we would consider a mid season kit.

877
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: And this is supposed to be your piece that you know,

878
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: it's your mid to late October through the November, so

879
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: basically through Thanksgiving. And you know I was wearing it

880
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: this week. You know, we were in the high twenties,

881
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: low thirties, UM, and it's supposed to hit that sweet

882
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: spot of when the majority of guys and gals are

883
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: really focused on the white tails. And one thing that

884
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: we did notice, the Woodberry is a great piece. I mean,

885
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: we all use it a ton. I love that that jacket,

886
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: but it was a little bit too heavy for that

887
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: sweet spot in terms of time on the calendar when

888
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna be you know, hunting the rut, pre rut,

889
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: post rout, et cetera. So we went back to the

890
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: drawing board with this piece, and um, we have a

891
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: top and a bottom bib style bottom, and then a

892
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: jack to go along with it, and the focus exactly

893
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about markets. We wanted to be a trim

894
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: piece that didn't feel bulky, that could take you through

895
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: that entire season. Um, keep you warm, keep you dry,

896
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: block the wind, super quiet um, and it's easy to

897
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: move around. And that was really our goal that you know,

898
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: both the top and the bottom, that whole kit. Yeah,

899
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: and then and and I had one version of the prototype,

900
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: and I liked it quite a lot. Um, but I

901
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: did have a few pieces of feedback and already you've

902
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: got a modified version of that that seems to have

903
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: taken a lot of those things that you'd read my

904
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: mind before I even shared a bunch of stuff with

905
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: you guys. Um that seems like an even improved version

906
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: of it, which I'm excited to try soon. Yeah. Absolutely

907
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: so a big part of our design processes, we don't

908
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: want our customers to be the guinea pigs. And we've

909
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: got great guys like you and a bunch of other

910
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: pro staff and field testers that kind of get a

911
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: chance to use this stuff, you know, late in the development,

912
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: but yet still with time to make modifications. So when

913
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: we bring this product to market, it's been used for

914
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: entire seasons. We've gathered a bunch of feedback on it, um,

915
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: and we did exactly that with this piece. Um. The

916
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: piece has got a bunch of cool features specific to

917
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: the white tail guy or gal um, whether it's pocketing,

918
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: whether it's passed through for kangaroo pockets, so you can

919
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: keep thin gloves on to operate your release and even

920
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: with your bow hand you know, bulk there and things

921
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: of that nature. But let's I want to make sure

922
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: to mention that specific because that is nice. You've got

923
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: so on the bib right, you've got you've got a

924
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: regular center zip jacket correct, um, so that you know

925
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: you've a regular pockets in the jacket, but then on

926
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: the inside, right, you're wearing your bibs on the kind

927
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: of just below your chest, there's a kangaro pocket on

928
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: the bibbs. So what was smart about you guys. What

929
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: you guys did here is that you've got venting zippers

930
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: on either side of the jacket, so you can open

931
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: that up if you want to vent. But then it

932
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: also allows you to create a hand opening to pass

933
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: your hands into the jacket inside and then place them

934
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: inside of the kangaroo pocket on the bibbs. Right. And

935
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: that's a pretty a pretty nice way to get that

936
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: kangaroo hand orb type feature while still maintaining a regular

937
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: jacket style. Um. That was pretty slick. Yeah, And you

938
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: know that was a design feature that we struggled with

939
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: for a while. You know, there's a bunch of different

940
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: ways to integrate essentially a muff into the jacket, you know,

941
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: whether it be with a different style of zipper, different

942
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: configuration of zipper, etcetera. Um, some of those can be

943
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 1: a little bit tough to operate at certain points. UM,

944
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: but you know, we knew that especially for white tail

945
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: bow hunters. UM, we value the ability to not wear

946
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: bulky gloves at any point. And really, you know, what

947
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: I've found in that space is that the only way

948
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: to really keep your hands warm if you're not wearing

949
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: bulky gloves is they have to be close your body

950
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: and they have to be together. Um, you know. And

951
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: another thing specific to you know, I think the way

952
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: most of us hunt is even if you only have

953
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: a four hunder, your walk in your stand, a lot

954
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: of times you're not wearing your jacket in because you

955
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: gotta walk in, you gotta climb your stand, et cetera,

956
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: especially during the early season. So what we really want

957
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: to do was we wanted to integrate that kangaroo, you know,

958
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: that pouch pocket into the bid. So you know, say

959
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: it's October and it's on the warmer end. You know,

960
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: maybe that jacket never comes on, but yet you still

961
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: have that pouch feature built into the bid because you

962
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: may be wearing lighter layers on top of the bid

963
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: over it or you know, solo um and then to

964
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: the same realm when it does get you know, into

965
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: early November, mid late November, and you're going to integrate

966
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: the jacket, we still want to be able to utilize

967
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: that same pouch without adding bulk or ama for a

968
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: funky zipper um, which is why we designed the past

969
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: through pockets. Yeah, let's look real quick. I want to

970
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: put a time out on this conversation because this is

971
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: future Mark talking to you now, and I want to

972
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: give your heads up on something kind of cool that

973
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: we decided to put out there. Given the fact that

974
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: with the First Light guys in to hunt with me,

975
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to to run a little special opportunity for

976
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: everyone listening because I've been getting so many questions and emails,

977
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: as I mentioned already about what kind of First Light

978
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: stuff am I wearing? And we actually have first Like

979
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: gear for sale over on the Meat Eater website, and

980
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: we're going to run a special promotion for you guys,

981
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: giving you twenty off any of the First Light that

982
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: we've got on sale, plus free shipping on orders over

983
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. So you can get this stuff by going

984
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: to the meat eater dot com and then clicking over

985
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,959
Speaker 1: into the shop. And when you click into the shop,

986
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna see all this stuff. Stuff like the Sanctuary

987
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Bibbs is where Jack and I was just talking about.

988
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: That stuff is twenty off and I've just been hearing

989
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: from so many people that are interested in trying the

990
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: stuff out. If you if you've been interested, this is

991
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: a great time to do it. Fifty orders or more

992
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: or free shipping by using promo code wired as W

993
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: I R e D. Find that over at the meat

994
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: eater dot com clicking to the shop you'll see it

995
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: all right there. Now back to the conversation. So for

996
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: someone listening who there are decked out and whatever stuff

997
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: they like to wear, they don't care about first light,

998
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: They're not gonna buy some new stuff, or they they've

999
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: got their own favorite brand or anything like that. I

1000
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: think what's interesting for that guy or girl. Still, what

1001
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: I've always found interesting, regardless of my brand affinities or

1002
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: whatever I'm wearing and stuff is it's always kind of

1003
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: intriguing just to hear, like what the process that goes

1004
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: into making high end equipment like this, Like can you

1005
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: walk us through? Because I gotta from from what little

1006
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: inset I do have, it seems like it is a process.

1007
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: It's not something you guys just like throw something at

1008
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: the wall and all of sudden it happens. Talking to

1009
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: a number of different companies in different spaces, it's it's

1010
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: always been interesting to me to hear about that that

1011
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Where how does this go from like

1012
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: an idea or two, hey, we need to start doing

1013
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: X for the white Tail guys and girls or whatever.

1014
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: What does that look like to the point where something

1015
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: actually finally does get launched to the world. That's a

1016
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: great question, and honestly, it's a question that I could

1017
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: not have answered before I had been involved in it,

1018
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, because from an outside perspective, and I always

1019
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: had it too, I was guilty. It's like, oh cool,

1020
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: you come up with something, you build it, you build it,

1021
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: and then you bring to market, right, and it seems easy.

1022
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: It seems easy, um to that point though, I mean

1023
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: I joke with my friends at this point, I constantly

1024
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm writing the wrong date, like when I read out

1025
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: checked when I date things, because in my world, we're

1026
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: working two years out so right now, you know, we're

1027
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: working on products they're gonna be coming out two years

1028
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: from now and stuff we're I mean, we're already into

1029
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: prototype being two thousand twenty stuff. So and that's how

1030
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: long it takes us to get through you know. This

1031
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: basically from idea concept like putting a list of bullet

1032
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: points on paper. This is what is what we want

1033
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: to design. This is what it needs to do to

1034
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: essentially getting to a you know, a vector diagram and

1035
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: architectural draft of that building. The first rounds of trial pieces,

1036
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, getting those in house and testing them, going

1037
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: to second, third, fourth, fifth rounds before we even are

1038
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: feel confident in putting it in the hands of our

1039
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: pro staffers are testers. You know, they get a full

1040
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: year in the pieces and then we got a little

1041
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: bit of time to make changes, and you know, two

1042
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: years later that's when we can finally bring it to market.

1043
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: So it's definitely a lengthy process, and we could make

1044
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: it go quicker, you know, we could get things to

1045
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: market much quicker than that. But a big part of

1046
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: where we come from as a company, and I mentioned

1047
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: this before, I don't mean it sounds like a broken record,

1048
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: but we don't want our customers to be the guinea pigs.

1049
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: You know, this stuff needs to be tested, perfected, perfect

1050
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: before it gets in the hands of any of our consumers.

1051
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: So long story short, you know, we're essentially working on

1052
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: a two year cycle. Um a full year of that

1053
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: is testing in a full year that is designed and prototyping.

1054
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: M that's gotta be I don't know for someone who

1055
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: myself I speak about here. It's so driven by instant

1056
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: gratification and some different things. That's gotta be a little

1057
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: bit difficult um to be working on things that you're

1058
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: not going to see the the fruits of your labor

1059
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: come to fruition until two. It's it's an interesting perspective,

1060
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, because you're involved and you know what's coming

1061
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: and it's not there yet. It's not you know, ready

1062
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: to come to market yet, but you know what's coming

1063
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: down the pipe. And after you finally bring that line

1064
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: to market, you know, for that first year, you want

1065
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: to be excited about it and you want to you know,

1066
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: shake your own hand, impair yourself on the back. But

1067
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: guess what, that next year cycle has already started or

1068
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: cranking on those pieces. So it's a fun, fast based environment.

1069
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: And you know, for for guys like us that you

1070
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: have an awesome opportunity to work for a company that

1071
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: really drives innovation. It's it's great because it's ever changing

1072
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: and the work has never done and it's very gratifying

1073
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: when those pieces do get to market, and you know,

1074
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: our customers and guys like you are are stoked on them.

1075
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: You know that's our ultimate goal. But yeah, yeah, it's

1076
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: gonna be cool feeling. Um So. So I don't wanna

1077
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: um go overboard talking about products and stuff all day,

1078
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: but I do get I get inudated with people asking

1079
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: me questions. Ever since you know, I started UM testing

1080
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: out a lot of first like year this year, have

1081
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: been getting so many questions, what piece should I be

1082
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: wearing for this scenario? Or what jacket is that? Or

1083
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: what basically are you wearing? Or what this? What that?

1084
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: With this? Do you want to share it like us?

1085
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean a quick cliff notes one oh one on

1086
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: the first light white tail you know, pieces or a

1087
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: couple of things that you think are worth mentioning or

1088
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: anything like that. Just to touch on a handful of

1089
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned this mid season prototype that I've been using

1090
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: that you use here that's gonna be coming out sometimes soon,

1091
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: right listen that in January? Okay? Is there is there

1092
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: any other quick rundown you want to share that the

1093
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: folks you know about UM or as a white tailed

1094
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: guy or girl, I should you know, look at as

1095
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: one of my first options or anything like that, yeah,

1096
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: I could definitely do that maybe just and I'm sorry,

1097
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: I will tease that. I actually we just put together

1098
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: a video that's gonna come out, so rather than me

1099
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: going through this whole thing right now, we did just

1100
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: film a video where I walked through my whole system

1101
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: for this season. So I tested out all sorts of

1102
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: different gear this year, and I kind of I think

1103
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: I've got to kind of nailed down to what my

1104
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: favorite set was for the early season, my favorite stuff

1105
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,479
Speaker 1: for like the middle of the season during the rut,

1106
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: and now what I'm wearing now during the late season.

1107
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: So I share that in a video that hopefully we'll

1108
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: be live for people to watch the day after this

1109
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: podcast comes out. Um, so I'll tease that, go to

1110
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: the wire Tunk YouTube channel now for soon for that.

1111
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: But Greg, no, that would be that would be perfect.

1112
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: We get, Um, we get that same question a lot. Um.

1113
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: I think maybe the best kind of route for this

1114
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: is I'll give a real mile high overview here and

1115
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: then if Ford or Jordan wants to fill in any

1116
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: gaps or you know, markred further as well, Um, you

1117
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: can do that in addition to that. And you know,

1118
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: I definitely want to say, we got a good chunk

1119
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: of our customer service team at this point, our Midwest

1120
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: born and bread. So these boys have spent some time

1121
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: in tree stands. And if you ever any questions with

1122
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: regard to your white tail kit, UM, there's plenty of

1123
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: people that if you give the officer the rank, can

1124
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: help you out. But yeah, just about half of them

1125
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I think we're yeah, almost fifty. Yeah,

1126
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: we're actually just remarking that so many of the applications

1127
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: we get for internships, for jobs what have you are

1128
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: actually from sort of the certainly Midwest and maybe even

1129
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: like northern northern Midwest, probably wrong where Great Lakes region,

1130
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: I guess, interestingly enough, And at this point, what do

1131
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: we have four people maybe from the Midwest overall at

1132
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: least a lot of a lot of white tail knowledge

1133
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: in the office. But I think you know, long story short.

1134
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, First Light was founded on Marino wool. You know,

1135
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: that's where our company was started, UM, and it started

1136
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: at bass layers, and obviously it's expanded to a full

1137
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: line of bass layers, mid layers outer where, but UM,

1138
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: especially for and I think sometimes this gets overlooked for

1139
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: the white tail guy or gal. You really can't go

1140
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: wrong with Marino wool because it does everything that a

1141
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: serious white tail hunter needs. It's quiet, um, it's owder resistant,

1142
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna keep you fairly cool. It breathes super well.

1143
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: It's gonna keep you cool on that hike in. And

1144
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: then even if you do get you know, potentially a

1145
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: little bit sweated up on the hike in, um, it's

1146
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna keep you warm and dry fairly quickly once you

1147
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: actually get into the stand. So, you know, for the

1148
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: early season or if you're you know, tail grounds I

1149
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: would say, you know, are in the southern hemisphere or

1150
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: excuse me, in the southern US. Um, you know, you

1151
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong with those Marino pieces. So we

1152
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: make a Marino pants called the Obsidian Um that's a

1153
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: great bottom layer for really any of your white tail

1154
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: endeavors because it regulates body temperature super well. Like I said,

1155
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: it breathes really well, um, super quiet, order resistant, and

1156
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: then depending on what temperature range you're looking at for

1157
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: that early season. You know, we have a variety of

1158
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: Marino tops from a hundred and fifty weight all the

1159
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: way up to three fifty weight that we're great for

1160
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: your uppers. UM any combination of layering those pieces. Again,

1161
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: depending on your situation, you really can't go wrong with those. UM.

1162
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm always a huge proponent of, whether it's really really

1163
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: hot or really really cold, start with a hundred and

1164
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: fifty weight piece on top, because what that's gonna do

1165
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: is it's gonna breathe well, it's gonna drive fast, it's

1166
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: gonna pull that moisture away from your body. It's really

1167
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: going to maintain. You know, what we like to refer

1168
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: to is that microclimate that next to skin, you know,

1169
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: keeping your immediate humidity excuse me, in temperature where it

1170
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: needs to be UM. And then again, depending on what

1171
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 1: your early season looks like for temperatures, you can either

1172
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: choose to run that by itself or with some additional

1173
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: pieces on top. UM tons of variety there. Obviously I

1174
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,479
Speaker 1: can't cover everybody's situation, and you know the thirty second

1175
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: speel here, but that's really kind of my go to

1176
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: and most people that use their stuff there go to.

1177
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: For an early season, kid is gonna be some combination

1178
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: of obsidian pants and Marino wold top layers. As we

1179
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: move into the mid season. UM, as we mentioned, are

1180
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: you know the slightly cooler attempts. We have a bunch

1181
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: of mid layer pieces that are great. I love the

1182
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: clam with Hoodie. It's a synthetic grid fleece that blocks

1183
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: the wind really well, pairs and works really well with

1184
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: Marino bass layers. UM. And in addition to that, we

1185
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: have our Catalyst kit. It's kind of a revolutionary two

1186
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: layer soft shell that works great. You know, once you

1187
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: get past the point of being able to just run

1188
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: like an obsidian pant with a wool top. It's a

1189
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: two air soft shell, Ultra quiet, ultra breathable, ultra durable. UM.

1190
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: You know. The next step past that was the the

1191
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: mid season kit that you had talked about, Mark, that

1192
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: you'd got a chance to use this year, which will

1193
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: be releasing in January this year. That's gonna be kind

1194
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: of your bread and butter if you're anywhere in the

1195
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: Midwest from early November or excuse me, mid October till

1196
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: late November. UM, a bunch of great white tail specific features. Again,

1197
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: really quiet. It's meant to keep you warm. As those

1198
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: tempts dropped, It's gonna do a great job of you know,

1199
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: shedding moisture preset that you get and blocked the wind,

1200
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: and then you know, past that, you move into the

1201
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: late season and it's our sanctuary kit. It's kind of

1202
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: the ultimate cold weather Burly do it all. So obviously,

1203
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: I know I'm I'm not hitting the details and everybody's

1204
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: specific situations, but I would say those are kind of

1205
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: our bread and butter combinations across the board from September

1206
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: fifteen to you know, middle of January, depending on how

1207
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: your season lays out. Yeah, it's been. Um. You know,

1208
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: every every time you you're testing new things, you never

1209
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: know what to expect, and you're always a little hesitant.

1210
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: Especially you know you get comfortable or even wearing happy

1211
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Anytime you make a change, it is

1212
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: you know a little bit of cause for concern. There's

1213
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: like those little whispers in the back of your mind, like, oh,

1214
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: what if you don't like it, What if it doesn't

1215
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: do so good on November seven and the big bucks

1216
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: coming in and you get cold or whatever? You have

1217
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: all these whispers and worries. Um, Unfortunately, all those whispers

1218
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: and worries were for not for me. Everything that I've been,

1219
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: all the use so far i've had, I haven't had

1220
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: a single negative experience yet. Um. But I think the

1221
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: coolest thing for one, not maybe the only cool thing,

1222
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: but but something that I have liked so much about

1223
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: what you guys have been doing is the focus that

1224
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: the First Light puts on on giving back on conservation,

1225
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: on public land, UM, on making sure that we focus

1226
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: U saw, on some of these bigger picture things that

1227
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: make what we'd love to do possible to the wildlife,

1228
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: the wild places all that. UM. We had Kel on

1229
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: the show with with me a couple months ago. We we

1230
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't l hunt together, talked a little

1231
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: bit about what he what he was, you know, doing

1232
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: back at that point. Um, but is there anything on

1233
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: that front that you guys want to want to share

1234
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: a little about when it comes to First Lights, Um,

1235
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like an important part of

1236
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: what you guys stand for. Yeah, it's it's core. It's

1237
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: core for our company. And it's pretty simple really think

1238
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: Kenton always obviously Kenton one of the co founders of

1239
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: First Light, Kent and grew. He often gets you know, interviewed, uh,

1240
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: talks about what have you on podcasts and what have you? Um,

1241
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's a simple equation for us, our customers

1242
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: recreate in wild places, uh, and our our chasing wild critters,

1243
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: and if those places and those critters aren't around, we

1244
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: don't have a business. No, it's not, it's not really

1245
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: an altruistic thing. Even in that regard. It's it's essential

1246
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: to what we do. And what's more, obviously access to

1247
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: in the protection of public lands in the east and

1248
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: the west um are our our corridor us also in

1249
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: soo much as a lot of our customers rely on

1250
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: those places for their hunts, well, for their hunts and

1251
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: and for everything else really be that camping, fishing, skiing, running,

1252
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, the whole gamut of activities, grocery acquisition, grocery acquisition. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1253
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty key. Like you said, there's there's a

1254
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: certain practicality um that for all of us. You know,

1255
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: you don't need to be just a do gooder. It

1256
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: just makes practical sense to try to fight for these things.

1257
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: And of course we I think all of us that

1258
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: love this stuff so much, we also love it in

1259
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: such a way that we want to give back and

1260
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: we want to make sure the future generations have it

1261
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: as good, if not better in the future. UM. So

1262
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: we don't need to when you explain that at all.

1263
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: But you mentioned something I don't know why. My head

1264
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: totally jumped to a new place. So if you guys

1265
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: want to go back and say anything else, but somehow

1266
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: my mind just jumped to this question because somehow you

1267
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: you were talking about Kenton, and you were talking about

1268
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Speaker 1: first light, and I'm thinking about first light being in Idaho,

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01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: and I thought about the fact that you were mentioning

1270
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: how you finally got the mule deer bug this year,

1271
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: and this is everything that was run anything I had

1272
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: the last thirty seconds while you were talking, I heard

1273
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: nothing that you said, because this is what happens in

1274
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: the mind of Mark Kenyon. And then I thought to myself,

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01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: Ford City caught the mule deer bug. Now he finally

1276
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: gets it, and mule des are kind of man, I

1277
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: really like white tailed deer. He doesn't know what he's

1278
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: talking about. White tails are greater than mule deer. Game over,

1279
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: That's what was going on my head. So the question

1280
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: I need to ask each of you guys now, especially further.

1281
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: You can't answer this since you haven't hunting mule there

1282
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: I haven't hunting meal there um. But I know you

1283
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: two have and have you Jordan's just with the camera.

1284
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: You've you've hunted them with a camera. Okay, see quite

1285
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: a bit with a camera, so you can go in there.

1286
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: But for the two of you, you both grew up

1287
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: Midwest or east. You run forward from Maryland right from Wisconsin.

1288
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: You both came from a white tail background, then you

1289
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: lived out in Idaho for a period of time on Mull's,

1290
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: Muli's or white Tails. Who wins in your hearts and minds?

1291
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: Do you want to go first for? That's an easy

1292
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: question for me. We we actually uh so, we had

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01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: a fairly substantial white Tailed trip this year. Um it

1294
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: was both a marketing endeavor and um I guess fun

1295
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: endeavor as well, but not a lot of gear testing,

1296
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot of testing that mid season kit in Yeah

1297
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: entries for sure. And throughout the process of planning this

1298
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: they were some heated discussions within the group about when

1299
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: this trip should start, and the heated discussions largely revolved

1300
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: around there's a certain camp of people that we're not

1301
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: willing to miss the end of meal dear season, and

1302
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: then there is another camp of people myself, h and

1303
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: a fellow coworker who is also from Wisconsin Paul Peterson

1304
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: that basically said, we would be very willing to throw

1305
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: our meal dear tags in the garbage to not miss

1306
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: the end of pre rut beginning of white tail ruts.

1307
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: So for me, it's it's it's definitely white tails. I

1308
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: mean that's what I kind of cut my teeth on

1309
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: and is my bread and butter. And yeah, the white

1310
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: tails hold a special place in my heart. How do

1311
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: you can you articulate why that is it? All? I

1312
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: had this conversation with Steve the other day and he,

1313
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, I took him out bow hunting in Michigan

1314
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: for white tails, and after that hunt, he was still like,

1315
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I get it, but it just

1316
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: doesn't do it for me, like mule deer, which is interesting,

1317
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: I should point out, because he is a Michigander, right,

1318
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: and we grew up hunting white tails just for the uninitiated.

1319
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but now he's all high falutin older guy. Um,

1320
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: so why you've had now a lot of experience with both,

1321
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: why why do the white tails still just make it?

1322
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: You know? I think for me, and don't get me wrong,

1323
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: I have grown too, and similar to Ford, feel like

1324
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: I have finally kind of got bit by the meal

1325
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: of your bug. It's a animal I respect and definitely

1326
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: enjoy pursuing. Um. But for me, the difference lies in

1327
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: the country that we hunt them in and the chess

1328
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: match that goes on hunting mature white tail bucks. Um.

1329
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: They're typically not animals that you first you know, you don't.

1330
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: It's not like a meal that refined it in the

1331
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: glass and then you make a plan to get to it.

1332
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: You know. From these mature white tail bucks, it's you

1333
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: find them maybe in the glass us in the summer,

1334
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, in in fields and X, Y and Z

1335
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: and hopefully on trail camera. Um. But you're essentially, you know,

1336
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: you're trying to outsmart an animal in its own bedroom

1337
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: and taking in so many considerations, whether it be whether win, direction,

1338
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: time of year, um, you know, you name it, and

1339
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: trying to put together a plan to put yourself in

1340
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: a spot to intercept that deer on his normal patterns,

1341
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: his normal day to day and do so in a

1342
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: way that he won't know you're there. And for some

1343
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: reason that that chess match, that whole process, you know,

1344
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: and for us it starts, you know, essentially after one

1345
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: season is over knowing what deer are still around, and

1346
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: then trying to find their sheds in the spring and

1347
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: putting out trail cameras and potentially you know, planning food

1348
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: plots and the spring and summer and then running those

1349
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: trail cameras to that period of time. And it's the

1350
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: all encompassing process of trying to outsmart a very smart

1351
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: animal in a very small area A lot of times

1352
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: that for some reason I just can't get past. It's

1353
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: it's been insanely addicting for me. You know, something is

1354
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about that, and I realized I'm preaching to

1355
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: the choir here, But you know, the choir always gets

1356
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: preached us as part of the part of the game. Um,

1357
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: when it comes to white tail hunting, you need to

1358
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: know these good Well, let me take it back. When

1359
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: you're mute, and I've never went mule the hunting, so

1360
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 1: you can tell me. I don't know, but when I

1361
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: watch mule deer owners on TV UM. But right you're

1362
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: you're spotting an animal. You're seeing that animal in many cases,

1363
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: and you know where he is, and then you try

1364
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get to where that animals.

1365
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: And I know that's tremendously challenge in a lot of

1366
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: different ways. But when you're hunting a mature white tail,

1367
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,879
Speaker 1: you need to know that animals so well that you

1368
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: know where he's going to be before he ever gets exactly.

1369
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: You need to predict what he's gonna do weeks or

1370
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: months in advance, and then make sure you are there

1371
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: in that perfect scenario that he goes where you believe

1372
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: he's going to go and doesn't know that you're sitting

1373
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: there waiting for him. And that is such a mental

1374
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: game to put all those pieces together. I say a

1375
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: thousand times that chest match, and everybody listening knows that already,

1376
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: and that's why they listened to this podcast. So we're

1377
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: all just kind of patting ourselves on the heads and say,

1378
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: good job. But well, and it's it's that, and I

1379
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: think it's specially bow hunting white tails. It's that plus

1380
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: some because you know, you may do all those things

1381
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: and you may be within a hundred or a hundred

1382
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,520
Speaker 1: fifty yards of the deer, and to me, that's an accomplishment,

1383
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: Like you've put together fourteen of those fifteen stats. But

1384
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: to have a successful bow hunt on an animal like that,

1385
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: you have to put number fifteen on there, and that's

1386
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: to be within you know, depending on what your range ist,

1387
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: et cetera. Yards, And you know that it's it's hard

1388
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: to do. It's really hard to do. And I think

1389
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: that challenge for me is always I don't know, it's

1390
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: it's trumped anything else, any of my other hunting endeavors,

1391
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: whether it be elk, mule deer, antelope, et cetera. And

1392
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: I know it's there's some nostalgia and in it for

1393
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: me because it's what I grew up doing. But that's

1394
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: always been kind of the thing that's fired me up

1395
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: the most. You know. It's interesting though, and I am

1396
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: this is really the first year I've hunted mule deer

1397
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: seriously in any capacity, and probably many people wouldn't even

1398
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: call what I'm doing serious honestly, because that the level

1399
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: of nuttery around big mule dear box is the same

1400
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 1: as big white tail box. I've discovered, I would say,

1401
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: is how similar they are actually? You know, I think

1402
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: we tend to think of mule deer in the spot

1403
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: and stock dynamic. You know, yeah, they're over there, let's

1404
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: how do we get to them? But the craftiness of

1405
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: an old mule deer, I think is not it should

1406
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: not be underestimated. Um and I think they share a

1407
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: lot of you know, for example, you see a big

1408
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: buck in July in out West hunting mule deer. You

1409
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: know he's in the drainage. Okay, great, you maybe see

1410
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: him again in August kind of scouting trip. You might

1411
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: not see him again in that drainage potentially. Ever, you

1412
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: know he's probably there, he's quite likely there, but he's

1413
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 1: in the timber all day. Every day. He might come

1414
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: out for three minutes, five minutes, fifteen minutes at first light,

1415
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: and if you don't happen to be looking at that

1416
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: edge of that timber patch, you never see him. And

1417
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: I think there really is a lot more carryover than

1418
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: I estimated in terms of in terms of that just craftiness,

1419
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:47,839
Speaker 1: that sneakiness and uh sort of to your point, getting

1420
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: to know uh bucks and and trying to figure out

1421
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: where they're gonna be when they're going to be out

1422
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: of the timber for five minutes, you've got to be

1423
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: in the right place, and that might not even be

1424
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, so what you've seen a mile away, that

1425
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: doesn't help you at all. It's cool to see him

1426
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: again but you have to be close enough and in

1427
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: the right place that when they come out for five minutes,

1428
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: you're there to get them. In the same way, I

1429
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: think that you have to know, you know when a

1430
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: when a box is going to follow a doh through

1431
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: a given area in November, um or or what have you.

1432
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: You know. In the in the white tail side of things,

1433
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: they really actually are I think more similarities than we

1434
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: think between the two. There's a lot of differences, don't

1435
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: get me wrong. Um And I think the pressure element

1436
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: is always so much higher or almost always so much

1437
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: higher on white tails that that really changes the game.

1438
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: But it's interesting the similarities between the two. Also, if

1439
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: if someone put a gun to your head right now

1440
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: and said, next season, you only get to hunt one species, dear,

1441
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be white tails or mule deer, you have

1442
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: to choose right now? What is it? Just me personally?

1443
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: Because for the good of the country white tailed deer?

1444
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: Why do you say that? Also? Which is you know,

1445
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: without question, it's the most important, It's the most important

1446
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: game species in North America. In terms of the number

1447
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: of hunters that have meaningful experiences with the game, white

1448
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: tailor are more people I don't want to say more important.

1449
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: That's loaded, but more people they're they're more important to

1450
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:32,879
Speaker 1: introducing and you know, I don't want to say maintaining.

1451
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: They're more important to the enjoyment and satisfaction. And you know,

1452
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: frankly food source or the are a food source from

1453
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: more hunters than than mildier I think obviously. So that's

1454
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: your cop on answer answer. It's tough for me. The

1455
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: white tailed thing, I think is more nostalgic. I just

1456
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: the institution of deer camps, the memories I have of

1457
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: deer hunting um and sort of the associations are so

1458
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: strong with white tail hunting. I think right now I

1459
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: very much like muled deer hunting more than white tailing

1460
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: currently in my life, very much so gun gun to

1461
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: the head mule deer hunting forward. I appreciate the honesty, Uh, Josh,

1462
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: I don't have any nothing Jordan's from your camera hunting.

1463
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: Does this seem I mean, I definitely I appreciate how

1464
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: you go about meal deer hunting and being from the Midwest,

1465
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: how unique it seems not growing up doing it, but

1466
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: being lucky enough to do at a fair amount this fall.

1467
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: Getting home back to the Midwest back to Minnesota to

1468
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: climb up into a tree stand was one of the

1469
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: most refreshing things I think I could have done. It's

1470
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: just yeah for me, nothing pizza. Yeah. I get this

1471
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: thing where every year around in January or February, I

1472
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: always get in this mode in my mind where I

1473
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: started picking up my Bogle magazine means I'm looking at

1474
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: YouTube and watching some high country meal deer hunt or

1475
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: something like I really want to go do that. So

1476
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: it's then I go plan like an el Cohn or

1477
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go to this meal deer hunter,

1478
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: this whatever big game hunt. And um, that's when I'm

1479
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 1: always in like different species modes like January February coming

1480
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: off the long white tail season. But every single year,

1481
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 1: every year, without fail, August and September rolls around and

1482
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm like supposed to be going on an alkhon or something.

1483
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: And this is horrible to say this, but every year,

1484
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: even this year, I had a great come up, like

1485
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: I just want to be in a tree stand hunting

1486
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: white tails, and I got this elkin coming up, but

1487
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: I really want to be checking trail cameras and planning

1488
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: out this hunt. So I don't know I've got a

1489
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: weird disease. Um, I can't I can't focus on anything.

1490
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: But but yeah, let's say not that I wanted to

1491
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: be cured, but I don't think you're on with it.

1492
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: So if you figure out to cure, please don't give

1493
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: it to me, because I'm fully enjoying the disease. With

1494
01:18:54,360 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: that being said, fingers crossed, I might get to go

1495
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: on a mule deer hunt someday. That's definitely a bucket

1496
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: list hunt that I'd like to do, So one of

1497
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: these years, I'm just gonna show up that board Storre stuff. Yeah,

1498
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: they're just hunting. They are so cool and the country

1499
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: they live in is so cool and uh you know,

1500
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: physically they're so impressive. Um yeah, I don't know, it's

1501
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: just kind of taking me a late. I also just

1502
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: like sitting and looking glassing, which is is a is

1503
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: a big part of mule deer hunting obviously, Um, taking

1504
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: it in and seeing what you see. I don't know,

1505
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:37,560
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely taken hold. But I love sitting in

1506
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: tree stand Also, don't get me wrong, I think you

1507
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: know the sites you see that are almost always so

1508
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: close to you when you're in a tree stand. You know,

1509
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 1: it's cool to see stuff a mile away through glass,

1510
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: but having a fox run right underde in a tree stand,

1511
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: it's it's always going to be that intimate, you know,

1512
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: in terms of or or has you learned this year

1513
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,839
Speaker 1: a fox squirrel or a fox far too? What happened

1514
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: with this fox squirrel? What's the what's the fox squirrel story?

1515
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: We've been I could pretend like it didn't tell you.

1516
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: Middle of the rut? Yeah, best time of year, the

1517
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 1: middle of the rut? What day was that for it?

1518
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: Just so listener, I actually don't remember, but I'm sure

1519
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: that it was the greatest day of the rut ever

1520
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: in the world. It was November five, Go ahead, right

1521
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: right to be To be fair, we hadn't seen we

1522
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: hadn't seen any deer, and didn't see anymore dear out

1523
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: of stand, which makes me feel mildly better about myself again.

1524
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: It was November five. To reiterate, November five. Things tend

1525
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 1: to happen on November. Yes, so I'm told um anyhow,

1526
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: had had had seen a fox squirrel or two while

1527
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: we were kicking around, had grown up in a place

1528
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 1: where you actually can't kill fox squirrels on the del

1529
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: Marva Peninsula. It was an endangered species growing up. Um

1530
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: it's actually since been listed. Was interested in perhaps eating

1531
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: a fox squirrel. I hadn't really seen any in the

1532
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: what I don't know, half a dozen days or what

1533
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: are we hunted? And fox squirrels are dear fox squirrel.

1534
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: We've seen a couple of deer um and had one

1535
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 1: pop out when Jordan and I were hunting at maybe

1536
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: ten yards right under me, I had a judo point arrow.

1537
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: Figured I would subtly dispatch this fox squirrel and continue

1538
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: with the all day sit and uh, so I kind

1539
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: of excitedly pulled an arrow out of the quiver. Jordan

1540
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: probably thought I saw a buck and lined up on

1541
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: this fox squirrel, which was probably not ten yards It's

1542
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: probably more like ten ft. Did you understand what was

1543
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: going on? I totally did, because I saw him take

1544
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: the arrow with a nice broad head off and replace it,

1545
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: replace it with an arrow that had a small game

1546
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: head on it, at which point I side, yeah, you

1547
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: hit records what you did? Did? Yeah? So I lined

1548
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: up on this fox squirrel, I let the arrow go.

1549
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: Huh in retrospect with a target that's probably two inches

1550
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: or three inches wide, probably should have shot a little lower.

1551
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: Took quite a bit of fur off the top of

1552
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: the back of the fox squirrel and the air I

1553
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: was stuck in the mud facing up right under the

1554
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: tree stand. Squirrel walked away, didn't even seem to notice

1555
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: that it would had gotten a haircut. And so I said, hey,

1556
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 1: I kind of got a pee anyway, I'm a little stiff.

1557
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna climb down to the base of the

1558
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: tree and grab the arrow out of the dirt. Uh.

1559
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: So I did that, climbed down the ladder, I didn't

1560
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: bring my bow, left my bow hanging notably on the

1561
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: bow hanger on the you know, off to the left,

1562
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: and stand there, grabbed the arrow, looked at the fur

1563
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: side a little bit, uh, took a leak, and climbed

1564
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: back into the climb back into the stand, And as

1565
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: I was sitting, I happened to look to my left

1566
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: and in what appeared to be about ten seconds, watch

1567
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: my bow fall slowly to the earth, the ft down, uh,

1568
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 1: into the mud, kind of take a hit in the mud,

1569
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: and roll off to the side. So I still don't

1570
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: understand how the boat You're not like when you sat down,

1571
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: just fully bumped into it without kind of noticing, climbing

1572
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: up the ladder um. And I think it must have

1573
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 1: kind of done sort of a sway sway sway and

1574
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: then fallen off because it I was fully seated by

1575
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: the time it fell off the hangar. It was real

1576
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: life slow motion. Yeah, that thing that I looked over

1577
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: at Jordan. Jordan is now who as we mentioned, very quiet.

1578
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: Jordan is now audibly laughing at me, continues to do

1579
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: so for probably thirty to forty seconds climbed down. I'm like, oh,

1580
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: just an off chance this thing still works. Not so much.

1581
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: Peep was out of line. Timing already felt off. But

1582
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: that that ended that all day set ten thirty in

1583
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: the morning on November five, November again, Wait what it was?

1584
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: November five, five days into the month of November. Correct,

1585
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: And while you were out slinging the arrows a fox

1586
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: squirrels though Greg here was was chasing white tails successfully,

1587
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: I believe too. More or less so, I think it

1588
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: was a couple of days before when you tagged out.

1589
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: I was actually sitting in the cabin on November five.

1590
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: I shut mine on November two. You want to tell seven? Yeah, yeah,

1591
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: so November one, the evening of November one, UM, Paul Peterson,

1592
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,520
Speaker 1: our coworker, we're hunting his property in um southwest Wisconsin,

1593
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: tagged out in a great deer another sweet deer camp

1594
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: as a side note, Yeah, Um, so we got to

1595
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: kind of be a part of that and it really

1596
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: kicked off. It was the first tag we punched on

1597
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: our white tail hunt. Um, so that kind of kicked

1598
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: everything off. November two, Jordan and I actually went into

1599
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 1: a standum that we hadn't hunted yet. It was the

1600
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: first morning day in general, but morning that we had

1601
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: good win for it, and um, we went and got

1602
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 1: up in that spot and I said to Jordan's when

1603
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 1: we climbed into the stand that it just felt like

1604
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: one of those mornings, um, or one of those days

1605
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: for I guess lack of a better term, that obviously

1606
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna spend all day in the stand and it

1607
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 1: felt like one of those days that could potentially be

1608
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,480
Speaker 1: good for rattling. And I'll be full disclosure, I've had

1609
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: to two hunts that ended successfully because of hitting horns together. Um.

1610
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 1: Both of them are in the a M and both

1611
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: of them felt very similar to kind of the for

1612
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: whatever reason, whether it's in my mind or not. UM,

1613
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: the way they this day had set up. So I

1614
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: kind of told Jorn, I'm like, hey, I'm gonna hit

1615
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: the horns on the hour, every hour, trying to kill

1616
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: him aturebuck fully where I may scare some beer away,

1617
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: but we'll see what happened. So hit at eight am, nothing,

1618
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: We had a doe come through it about eight thirty. UM,

1619
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,839
Speaker 1: hit him at nine am, nothing happened. UM. And then

1620
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 1: I was a little late on my my ten am hit,

1621
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: so I think it was like ten eleven, ten twelve

1622
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: or something like that. UM clanked the horns together and

1623
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: it had to be not fifteen seconds after I got

1624
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: done rattling, and it just sounded like there was a

1625
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: freight train coming through the woods. And we were joking

1626
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: about this last night when I was telling the story,

1627
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: but I wish I had this on video. I looked

1628
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: up at Jordan's when all the commotions started, and I

1629
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: think his exact words were, that's way too big to

1630
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 1: be a squirrel. So we kinda got ready, and I

1631
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 1: mean we heard him coming and UM, basically, long story short,

1632
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: a little spike cruise through right in front of us

1633
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:55,879
Speaker 1: and um followed by it a very mature great deer. Um.

1634
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: And they were moving so fast. I mean basically it

1635
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: wasn't the tip goal like you know the white tailed

1636
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: grant I had to scream at this year. It was

1637
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: the loudest like bellow I think I've ever heard somebody

1638
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: have to make in order to stop a deer. Yeah,

1639
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: and he uh, he put on the brakes at twenty

1640
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: yards and the rest is kind of history. I think basically.

1641
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: The way the the way it played out is those

1642
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: those two bucks must have been in the vicinity of

1643
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: one another when I hit the horn together and that

1644
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: infuriated the that bigger deer, and um, he started pushing

1645
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: the other one and pushed him right towards us. UM.

1646
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was an unbelievable hunt. It

1647
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: was one of those where everything kind of came together

1648
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: the way you drawed up. I mean, he came in,

1649
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: his eyes were bulging out of his head, and he

1650
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: was looking for a fight. Um. Luckily we were able

1651
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: to get him aged after I shot. We saw him

1652
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: tip over after I shot him, got the whole thing

1653
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: during got some great pictures, but um, we got him

1654
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: aged after I shot him, and the biologist said he

1655
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: was either you know, five and a half or six

1656
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: and a half, so definitely a mature deer. And yeah,

1657
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: it's one of those, uh, you know, those stereotypical rut

1658
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: hunts that you won't forget. Everything just kind of plays

1659
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: out the way it's opposed to, which, as we all know,

1660
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: rarely happens. But man, then it goes so fast. I

1661
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: can't believe we're already in December now. You look forward

1662
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: to it all year and then it's just like always

1663
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 1: here and then next you blink exactly it's gone. Yeah,

1664
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 1: you got to make the best of that's good. It

1665
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: was fun. It was a fun year. It was one

1666
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 1: of those hunts too, even even not hunting, that hunt's

1667
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 1: going to stick with me for a long time, you know,

1668
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 1: some of some part of the kind of wishes that man,

1669
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 1: I wish I could be, you know, back home or

1670
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: sitting in that hot seat right there too. But even

1671
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,759
Speaker 1: just being able to witness yeah, I mean not everybody

1672
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: gets to see dear act like that, you know, that

1673
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,879
Speaker 1: quickly in that fashion, and that's that was really special

1674
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 1: to be able to be able to see that and

1675
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: the backslap and you know what happens. After that, Greg

1676
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: called us and we all came out and you know,

1677
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 1: took pictures and congre adulating to each other and even uh,

1678
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: I believe what was the beer of choice that was consumed.

1679
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: We congratulated, like congratulatory ten thirty beery whatever. It was

1680
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: an honorary line in googles. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, that

1681
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: was that was. That was very neat and just to

1682
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 1: be in a deer camp and I guess really my

1683
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Speaker 1: first Midwestern deer camp and two bucks hanging in the

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01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: barn and it was cool. Before we move on to

1685
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: the next set of questions, I've got here. I wanted

1686
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: to a quick break to thank our partners at White

1687
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: Tailed Properties and Spencer has a quick word from one

1688
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: of their land specialists. This week with White Tailed Properties,

1689
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 1: we had joined by Jeff Probes, a land specialists out

1690
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: of Missouri, and Jeff is going to be talking to

1691
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: us about getting started filming your own hunts. Well. I

1692
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: filmed personally, my son and I did for a long time.

1693
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: I was involved in it for over twenty years. My

1694
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: son and I filmed together for about fifteen years, and

1695
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 1: uh pretty much retired from it now. But I guess

1696
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: The first thing is is don't skimp, skimp on your equipment.

1697
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: If you're wanting to particularly if you're wanting to try

1698
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: to do something on a professional level, get good quality equipment.

1699
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 1: Obviously high definition cameras. The cameras have changed so much

1700
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: since we were in it. I mean they've got these

1701
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: small little handheld cameras now that take just about as

1702
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: good at quality footage as the old big cameras we

1703
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,759
Speaker 1: used to carry. And um, you know, get good quality

1704
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: footage and get a good mic. Don't go with an

1705
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: onboard mic on this on the cameras that come with

1706
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 1: a by shotgun mic of good quality. Spend the money,

1707
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: do it right. Use the tree arm. When you're in

1708
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: a tree you get nice, smooth, steady pans. And when

1709
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: you're on the ground if it's if it's feasibly, use

1710
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: the tripod. Just keep your footage nice and steady, whether

1711
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: you're in a tree or on the ground. But the

1712
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: big thing is that don't skimp on equipment. By good stuff,

1713
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: and it'll show with your footage. The quality will show through.

1714
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the

1715
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: properties that Jeff currently has listened for, visit White Tail

1716
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: properties dot com backslash propes. That's p r O PST.

1717
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: We also want to thank our partners at on x

1718
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 1: for the support of this podcast, and I want to

1719
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: give you quick heads up about a new feature on

1720
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: the on x Hunt app which is pretty neat. Now,

1721
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: on top of the digital maps that you can see

1722
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 1: right we've talked about in the past, you can see

1723
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: your aerial views, you can see your topic graphic views,

1724
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: you can mark way points, you can share way points,

1725
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: you can measure distances, you can measure areas. You can

1726
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: see the public land borders, you can see private land

1727
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: owners and borders. On top of all of that, now

1728
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 1: you can also see weather data overlaid right in that

1729
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: same spot. So now you can see things like what

1730
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: the temperatures, you can see what the percentage chance of precipitation,

1731
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 1: you can see what the wind direction, what the barre

1732
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 1: metric pressure is doing, even the sunrise and sunset times.

1733
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: It's all right there, easily accessible while you're looking at

1734
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: your map. So once again they're just making this tool

1735
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: even more handy and usable, and it is one of

1736
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: those things that you can easily get on your phone.

1737
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: You just gotta go search for on X. That's O

1738
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: n X on the mobile app store of your choice,

1739
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: or you can go on over to onyx maps dot

1740
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: com to learn more. So you've had quite the kind

1741
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: of education on the northern Great Lakes deer hunting tradition.

1742
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: This year you did the Wisconsin camp. Now you're doing

1743
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: the Northern Michigan camp. Totally. Yeah, because where I grew up. Um,

1744
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: I think part of why I think all of this

1745
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: is neat, you know, looking at the wall here with

1746
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: twenty plus buck handlers or sets and hailers. Um, you know,

1747
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: we just we didn't really have quite the deer culture

1748
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: where I grew up in eastern Maryland. I think probably

1749
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: partially because there probably weren't hardly any deer, you know,

1750
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: within even the lifespan of some of the old timers

1751
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: that are still kicking around. I think in the way here,

1752
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, deer just held on in the northern part

1753
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: of the country obviously through sort of the the bad

1754
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: old days for lack of a better word, and and

1755
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: so we don't I don't think we really at least

1756
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 1: in eastern Maryland. And I think it probably does exist

1757
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: in the Appalachian part of Maryland. But um, we don't

1758
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: have the quite the dear the history history to deer culture,

1759
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: dear camp culture that that you all have up here.

1760
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: So it's pretty neat to experience. Yes, so so there's

1761
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: there's one. You did the Wisconsin camp. Ye, you did

1762
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: the Northern Michigan camp. You had a full spread of

1763
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 1: fried appetizers tonight of the rest of the feast of

1764
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 1: the fryer, nothing but Friday vegetables. Anyway, it truly was

1765
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 1: what's that oblong fried ship. That's pick and then that's

1766
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 1: the fried sparagus, and that's the fried chicken. Yeah, that's

1767
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: the frieder. Yeah, yeah, I thought the papers are gonna

1768
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: be the pickles. Actually no, no. Um. So, so you've

1769
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 1: done all that. You've heard the Dirty Point Buck. If

1770
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: anyone hasn't heard that yet, you should YouTube or google

1771
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: the Dirty Point Buck and listening not reggae music apparent line.

1772
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 1: I still don't understand how you thought. It's like I

1773
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: got this strange Caribbean beat to it too. I don't

1774
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: really understand where that's coming from. Did you see's a

1775
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 1: dirty pointer? Um? Okay, So that's you're very nearing the

1776
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: end of your Upper Great Lakes Michigan or the final

1777
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: piece of homework. And we talked about this over dinner.

1778
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: But I want to make sure you follow up on this,

1779
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 1: and anyone listening who has not yet done this needs to.

1780
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 1: Let's go over on the YouTube and watch Escanaba in

1781
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 1: the Moonlight and it is truly spelled U d a

1782
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Escanaba and the Moonlight for for a lifetime worth of

1783
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: one liners and great quotes. You have to go into

1784
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: this with an open mind and a low bar. Yeah,

1785
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: but but it's your words have never been spoken. But

1786
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 1: if you do that and you have a cold beer

1787
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: and be with some buddies that want to laugh about

1788
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: some stupid stuff, it's gold. What I think I need

1789
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: to do is get uh, you know, a case of

1790
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: spotted to cow if that's still kicking around Paul's hopefully

1791
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 1: Paul's apartment. Get get Greg and Paul involved, heat some

1792
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 1: curds and watch, yeah, some past he's maybe a hot dish,

1793
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: too hot? Some wallee? Yeah, fry up some walleye. And

1794
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: did you bring the past he's Reuben. Oh we got

1795
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: the food covered boys exactly. Just have a little levy

1796
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: on the sap. It sounds like a good experience. Oh

1797
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: it is? It is just just go ahead and watch

1798
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: Esking Up in the Moonlight. We'll be all set. And

1799
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: is that something that you can rent, by the way,

1800
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 1: on Netflix or where would I find this? You can

1801
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 1: watch it for free on YouTube. That's available for free

1802
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: right now. And it's got a heck of the cast.

1803
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: Jeff Daniels. Jeff Daniels is the star. He's Reuben, He's

1804
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: the buckless Hooper. You're in for a treat. We were

1805
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: talking that we might just have to do this podcast someday.

1806
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 1: Get like a group of guys together watch Escanaba in

1807
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,560
Speaker 1: the Moonlight and just record the podcast and just commentate

1808
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 1: the whole movie as we go. That might be a

1809
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: future episode. Well that could be like a like a

1810
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: future like Wired to Hunt thing, like people will get

1811
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: like people have YouTube channels with them commentating on things

1812
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: that they watch. So you think that's like my next

1813
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: my next big thing is just commenting on that movie

1814
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: over and over. Would you have to stream the film

1815
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: and then so people could watch the film as you

1816
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: were commentating, you know, like mystery science What was the

1817
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: mystery science here? Yeah, it would have to be like

1818
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 1: a video podcast, I guess. Would you'd be able to

1819
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 1: watch the film and then you'd also see me and

1820
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 1: further in the corner talking about it. Yeah. Um, so

1821
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 1: so we do this thing. Um, the mediator crew has

1822
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: been doing this deal they're calling like the hot tip

1823
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: offs where everyone's sitting around, Um, each shares like their

1824
01:36:57,080 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: own best hunting or fishing tip and UM, so I've

1825
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 1: been doing a bunch of this, So I'm gonna, um,

1826
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna step out of this one. I'm just gonna

1827
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: put this on on you guys. Orto a podcast version

1828
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 1: of the Hot Tip Off. You guys are all kind

1829
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: of gear guys, right, you're from the clothing gear side

1830
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: and Jordan's You could either do the clothing gear side

1831
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: or you're also like our camera guy. Um. People are

1832
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 1: always got lots of questions about photography or filming or

1833
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 1: different things like that. So I kind of thought it

1834
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: would be kind of cool idea to get a quick

1835
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 1: hot tip from you guys. Um. It could be about

1836
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 1: choosing the right clothing, could be out layering, it could

1837
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 1: be different things to stay more comfortable in the field. Um,

1838
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 1: if something happens to come up you come to mind

1839
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:41,879
Speaker 1: in that category. Um, but if not, you're welcome to

1840
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 1: throw any other kind of hot tip at us, Um,

1841
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 1: so that I kind of want you you three to

1842
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 1: give us a hot tip. In the meantime, Josh, do

1843
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: you have any kind of lukewarm tips? Do you want

1844
01:37:51,680 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 1: to share? This is this has been a rough, a

1845
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: rough couple of days from a man. You've just been

1846
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 1: hammering on me. It's just I don't know, it's just

1847
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 1: low hanging fruit. Um. Do you do you have a

1848
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: Do you have any kind of thoughts? Um? Concluding thoughts?

1849
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: While these guys think of their hot tips, I've got

1850
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: a couple I want to ask them two questions questions. Yeah,

1851
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 1: do it, but let's do it after they're hot. Yeah,

1852
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 1: that would delay in my hot tips. Okay, No, he

1853
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 1: wants to do after your hot tips? Yeah, because you

1854
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: guys might have answers. I don't want to distract My

1855
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: lukewarm tip would be try to find someone else to

1856
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 1: have to stoke the fire in the middle of the night.

1857
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 1: I've woken up the first one I had to do

1858
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: like three or four times, and and and I said

1859
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: it already. I want to say it again, despite all

1860
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: the crap I gave you, tremendous camp manager, it's it's

1861
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: tough work. That's I like. I like having your dad

1862
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 1: and your uncle Steve Brown to kind of be the cample.

1863
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: Usually we're out hunting and they're usually the ones hanging

1864
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 1: back at camp taking care of work. If word gets

1865
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: out though that you do as good as work as

1866
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 1: you do, I will say it hasn't been too bad,

1867
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: just kind of hanging around camp. Ford and I've been

1868
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 1: just kind of hanging around camp during the day because

1869
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: he's not hunting. But it's been, um, it's been. It's

1870
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun actually, just kind of hanging

1871
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: out at camp and it was enjoying the little joy.

1872
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 1: Good face to sleep. And I think that we all

1873
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 1: left out to go hunting this morning and you two

1874
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 1: went right back to sleep. Yeah, heard the same straight

1875
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 1: shoot straight, Okay, cool. I like my sleeping bag and

1876
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 1: put it out in the porch. I don't think this

1877
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: is gonna stay out here too long. You guys walked

1878
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 1: out and went out and grabbed my sleeping bang. I

1879
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 1: was posted back up in the couch real quick. I

1880
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: had to put my boots on outside and I think

1881
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 1: I heard snoring before even walk too far away from

1882
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: the cabin. You can't even talk about last night. We're

1883
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 1: all like it was, you know, we killed the lights.

1884
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 1: We're all, we're all all five of us are crammed

1885
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: in this little one room. We've we've got three cots

1886
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: and then me and josh A sharing a pull out

1887
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: couch and we all laying there. Yeah, it's not a

1888
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: big space, not a big space. And we're laying there

1889
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: kind of doing that kind of BS and a little

1890
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 1: bit before you fall asleep type thing. And we started

1891
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: talking about some props related things, and and Ford it

1892
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I bet you we could get

1893
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 1: you something like that. And then Greg's like, oh, I

1894
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: don't know. You're you're you're cashing, you're writing checks he

1895
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: might not be able to cash. And then we start

1896
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,440
Speaker 1: talking about this new product that Greg should be designing.

1897
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,719
Speaker 1: And then he's like, yeah, you know, I've already thinking

1898
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: through him fifty of the way through. Literally no joke.

1899
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was kidding. He literally started snoring

1900
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: seconds after saying that. And then we're we all. I mean,

1901
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 1: I didn't think it could have been real. Yeah, he

1902
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 1: is sleeping like that. Are you what is it narcolepsy? Yeah?

1903
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: Is that a real thing for you? It's a gift,

1904
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 1: you know that I get horizontal and yeah, that's about it.

1905
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 1: Just be able to fall asleep like Greg can. That's true.

1906
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: And we were not being quiet laughing to figure out

1907
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 1: that he was sleeping. Yeah, yeah, that but that I

1908
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 1: think that might lead to my hot tip in in

1909
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 1: uh Northern Michigan deer camp. His I would say, pull

1910
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 1: the batteries out of the obnoxious clock before you cut

1911
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 1: the propane lights. Oh man. Yeah, So first night we

1912
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 1: all get here and belly laughing probably continued for thirty

1913
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 1: minutes or what have you, and we're drifting off to sleep,

1914
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: and and really I had not noticed it until the

1915
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:34,799
Speaker 1: talking ended. You know, there's this woodstuffs kind of clinking

1916
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: and popping. But behind me is this clock is just

1917
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: hammering it and I feel like my eyes are kind

1918
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: of pulsing with the thing. And I'm like, man, I

1919
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: just I really just met Josh and Mark person. I

1920
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 1: don't want to be that passive, aggressive camp goer that

1921
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: pulls the clock off the wall and mashes it that

1922
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I can fall asleep with this thing.

1923
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'm gonna talk to him tomorrow

1924
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: about it so I can get to sleep. Was anybody

1925
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 1: else thinking, oh yeah, I was. I think we were

1926
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 1: all thinking like, man, that is loud. I wonder something

1927
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: going to say clocks, I'm laying in bed things. I

1928
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 1: was already sleeping, so but I was like, oh, wow,

1929
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: that is so loud. That's never been that clock has

1930
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 1: never it's always been here. It just never is on.

1931
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever never worked all the years,

1932
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: and I can remember things got some natural reverb to it. Wow, yeah,

1933
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 1: it really does. It reminded me. And I don't know

1934
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: why this reminds me because I've read this like twenty

1935
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: years ago, but that Edgar Allan Poe poem. I think

1936
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: it was that we were trying to remember. I feel

1937
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: like there's something to do with this, like loud, yeah,

1938
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 1: something like that. This clock that just keeps making this

1939
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: noise and drives a got nuts or something like that. Um,

1940
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 1: And that's what it was reminding me of. So in

1941
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 1: my head was like, Wow, I'm not gonna be false

1942
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,640
Speaker 1: sleep with that. So I sat there and then I'm

1943
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 1: like do I want to get up? Like what if

1944
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 1: they're are sleeping? And then I'm gonna be like making

1945
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: all this noise and then finally I realized, you know what,

1946
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:10,680
Speaker 1: if anyone's gonna do it, it's probably has to be me, Like,

1947
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: this is my camp, I probably So I stormed out

1948
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 1: of my bed and went went over there and ripped

1949
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: the battery out. And then as I heard you coming,

1950
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, he's going. He's got Everything's cool.

1951
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to false sleep. Fine. I'm surprised

1952
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 1: you just didn't like nudge me like, hey, that it hurts.

1953
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 1: Can you take care of that? Oh? It made a

1954
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 1: big difference. So that's my hot tips. Pull the batteries

1955
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 1: out of the clock before you cut the lights. Good. Good,

1956
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 1: especially when with new people. Yes, so I guess it's

1957
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 1: directed to you. Actually, well no, it's can't manage camp manager.

1958
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: I speak to the camp executive though, so take my

1959
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 1: marching orders from alto responsibilities in there. Yeah I get that. Uh, Greg,

1960
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 1: do you have a hot tip? My hot tip is

1961
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,840
Speaker 1: to record directly related to kind of the situation where

1962
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 1: now late season white tails perfect. So if you um fight,

1963
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: and I'm sure most of us do, cold feet, my

1964
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 1: hot tip relates to that. What you need to do

1965
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: is you go basically purchase yourself the heaviest felt and

1966
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 1: or durable wool ish fabric. You can find UM and

1967
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 1: cut yourself out a piece of it that the shape

1968
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 1: resembles UM the shape of your platform, and throw that

1969
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 1: down in your tree stand. Is a barrier between your

1970
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 1: metal tree stand and your boots. UM, and it will

1971
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 1: significantly reduce the amount of heat that you lose through

1972
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 1: your boots into your stand. Keep your feet a whole

1973
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 1: bunch warmer. So if you can't find super thick felt,

1974
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 1: by the cheap thin stuff double triple layer it UM.

1975
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: If you know something, it's got a sewing machine that

1976
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,679
Speaker 1: can sew it together for you even better. But UM,

1977
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 1: any type of felt or even I've even used in

1978
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 1: the past, UM some of the rigid foam insulation pieces,

1979
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 1: but any you can get between your boots and your

1980
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:09,560
Speaker 1: metal tree stand. UM as an insulation berrier will significantly

1981
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 1: keep your feet warmer. It's a very hot tip. Can

1982
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: I add a Can I add a plus to that?

1983
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 1: Since we're going off this like white Tail Mule deer Kick. Yeah. Yeah,

1984
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:19,600
Speaker 1: It's spent a fair amount of time this year in

1985
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 1: the you know what we often refer to the late

1986
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: season second out half of October, which where we are

1987
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 1: in the mounds, Idaho, you know, could be fully winter

1988
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,759
Speaker 1: in terms of weather. So doing a lot of sitting,

1989
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: still a lot of glassing. Um, and I go back

1990
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 1: and forth on insulated boots. Actually, my feet sweat real bad,

1991
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:39,799
Speaker 1: so I kind of try not to run insulated boots,

1992
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: but when it's twenty degrees and windy, you kind of

1993
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: want the insulated boots and what have you. To Greg's point,

1994
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:48,800
Speaker 1: another nifty trick, A lot of people obviously cut the

1995
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 1: close cell foam or cut what app you know, a

1996
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 1: pad of some description for your butt when you're hunting

1997
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: in the mountains, cut a second one for your feet,

1998
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 1: and once again you're you're getting your feet off the ground,

1999
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: you're cutting off. That's sort of just the flow of cold,

2000
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:07,680
Speaker 1: it feels like, from the ground to the rubber your boots. Um.

2001
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of a nice halfway point

2002
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 1: between having a big, heavy insulated boot and running a

2003
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 1: light and maybe not quite as a warm boot. Do

2004
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 1: you steal my hot tip? Yeah, you know, I like

2005
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 1: to think of it as an addendum West East, Yeah, combo,

2006
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:27,760
Speaker 1: this is I don't know why I thought of this,

2007
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 1: but related to installation and sleeping bags. I've always heard, right,

2008
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard that some people say it's

2009
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: better when you're sleeping and sleeping bag and it's cold, thought,

2010
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 1: it's better not to wear a bunch of extra layers

2011
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: relative layers. Yeah, do either one of you guys know

2012
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 1: anything about like what the right or the best way

2013
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 1: to stay warm and a sleeping bag is. Should you

2014
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: wear a bunch of layers or do you want to

2015
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 1: reduce layers it's just wear basse layers or I don't

2016
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: know if there's anywhere within the realm of any of

2017
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 1: you actually have the science on it. Before I offer

2018
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 1: my on in scientific two cents, and I think you

2019
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: should go first. Oh good, put myself out there. I

2020
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:12,919
Speaker 1: have never really been man enough to try the naked stuffer.

2021
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: When you say naked stuffer, what do we sell the

2022
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 1: idea there being? The idea there being that you shouldn't,

2023
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 1: to your point, be wearing a bunch of clothes. You

2024
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: should have all those clothes in the bag with you,

2025
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 1: killing the dead space, but you don't necessarily want to

2026
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: have them on you, is the theory. I have never

2027
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 1: really manned up and tried that. More than you know,

2028
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 1: in a significant way. I just always feel like I'm

2029
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: plenty warm when I've got extra layers on in my

2030
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 1: sleeping bag, and I don't feel a need to try

2031
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 1: the alternative, but haven't given it probably, like I said,

2032
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 1: more than three nights of of a chance to prove itself.

2033
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: I usually wear a bunch of layers, like if it's

2034
01:47:56,040 --> 01:48:00,719
Speaker 1: really cool thought and I'm as sleep back, I layer up. Yeah, totally,

2035
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 1: but I've I've never tested the theory too, and I've

2036
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: wondered I will I try to. I don't like having

2037
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: a lot of buckles or zippers or you know, uh

2038
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 1: gramas or you know, kind of anything like that on

2039
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: my clothes. I'm usually in sort of sawt you know,

2040
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 1: wool layers or what have you, but I do generally

2041
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 1: keep layers on. I have started actually with our Chamberlain

2042
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 1: puffy or eight hundred pill Puffy. Last year came out

2043
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 1: with sort of what we call this, you know, super

2044
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: down jacket for lack of a better word, mountaineering grade

2045
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 1: puppy jacket eight hundred filled down, very very warm. I've

2046
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:34,560
Speaker 1: actually started taking that and when I'm not using it

2047
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 1: as a pillow, if I do get super cold, I'll

2048
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 1: wrap that on top of my sleeping bag, almost like

2049
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 1: an additional blanket. Um, and that seems to help, you know,

2050
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure maybe there are other ways that might be

2051
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 1: better to do that, but I've definitely done that. It

2052
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 1: seems to be it seems to be a little warmer. Yeah.

2053
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean, now tell me I'm wrong, right, No, I won't.

2054
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna fully admit I'm not the authority on

2055
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 1: this either because I am. I'm a crazy hot sleep

2056
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:03,559
Speaker 1: bur I just have never really had issues with staying

2057
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 1: warm when I sleep. Um, So for me, even when

2058
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 1: it gets really cold, I'm not I can't say that

2059
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 1: it's the most efficient, but I'll keep a couple of

2060
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,639
Speaker 1: layers on and I'm typically fine. Yeah. So I think

2061
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: the word I wonder if if similar to when you're

2062
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 1: exerting your like you don't want to become too terribly sweaty.

2063
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 1: You want something quick moisture way when you're hunting or

2064
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 1: hike or anything. You know, is the same issue present

2065
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 1: when you're sleeping a sleeping bag, like you don't want

2066
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 1: to overheat for it? Yeah, I would, I would say

2067
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, so I avoid that, but it's hard.

2068
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think you should keep wearing layers, especially when

2069
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,400
Speaker 1: we're sharing a pull up. Come keep up with the

2070
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 1: layers at least for one more night tonight. Yeah, you

2071
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 1: might want to try it today. It might be good

2072
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,639
Speaker 1: to the to the stuffing point though. One one thing

2073
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: that I definitely recommend, which has been a game changer

2074
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 1: for me, is make sure whatever clothes you're gonna put

2075
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 1: on in the morning, you stuff in your bag with you,

2076
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 1: because then not only they're taking to that dead space,

2077
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: but they're nice and warm when you throw them on.

2078
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that's nice. You kind of pull them on in

2079
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:10,560
Speaker 1: the bag already got out of the bag. And another

2080
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 1: addendum to that, I would say, I sleep in sort

2081
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:16,320
Speaker 1: of my core layers, and I don't take those off

2082
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 1: in the morning, you know. So if I'm wearing long

2083
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 1: John's into my sleeping bag, I'm gonna get out and

2084
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 1: put stuff on top of them. I'm really gonna try

2085
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: and avoid taking off any next to skin layers or

2086
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 1: even mid layers often because you're just that heat just yeah,

2087
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 1: gone at twenty degrees or whatever when you get out

2088
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: of your bag. Another bag stuffing thought, um uh, we're

2089
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 1: gonna just not make any more jokes. Um, if you

2090
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 1: happen to like step in a puddle or in a

2091
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 1: creek or something, your socks get soaked. Back in the day,

2092
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: I used to think, Oh, the thing to do is

2093
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: hang your socks up. That's not the thing to do.

2094
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:55,720
Speaker 1: The thing to do is take your wet socks, throw

2095
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 1: them in the bottom in your bag, or if you're

2096
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 1: a real man, I suppose is you put them on

2097
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 1: your torso that's the inside dry them the quickest. If

2098
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 1: you put them like on your leg or in between

2099
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:10,400
Speaker 1: your long long john and you're like in between your legs, yeah,

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01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 1: I think actually I mean to to to be not

2101
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: to be in appropriate about it, but I think probably

2102
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 1: inside of your leg is the warmest spot in terms

2103
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:22,600
Speaker 1: of or you know, and you're the crotches of your

2104
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,920
Speaker 1: armpits um, I think are sort of the warmest areas

2105
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 1: that will dry that gear the quickest. It won't be

2106
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,599
Speaker 1: super pleasant to stuff a wet sock into your arm

2107
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: bit or into your long right on, but I've definitely

2108
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 1: done it before and it it certainly works better than

2109
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 1: hanging a wet sock and thirty two degree weather in

2110
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 1: your tent. Yeah, that doesn't not not too effective. Okay,

2111
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:51,759
Speaker 1: so enough of stuffing things. Yeah, the whole stuffing thoughts there, Jordan,

2112
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 1: Do you want to wrap us up with your hot tip? Yeah,

2113
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 1: minus one kind of a new piece of gear this

2114
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:58,679
Speaker 1: year that has allowed me to do a few new things.

2115
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 1: But if you're a photographer or even someone who's taking

2116
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 1: like a new hunter out, just to give you a

2117
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 1: little bit more flexibility, especially on the photo side of things,

2118
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 1: is try saddle. That's one thing that I've done this year,

2119
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: almost exclusively for photo hunts. That definitely changes the game

2120
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 1: as far as flexibility, either in the same tree or

2121
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:22,519
Speaker 1: you know, a different tree, trying to get different different

2122
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:26,600
Speaker 1: vantage points. But it um it allows you to be

2123
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more creative and sneak around a little

2124
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: bit versus just standing or sitting in a tree stand

2125
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:35,160
Speaker 1: kind of being a little bit more stationary. Yeah. You

2126
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 1: you definitely you're swinging around doing all those acrobatics in

2127
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 1: the tree to get different angles of their cameras carefully, carefully. Yes,

2128
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 1: you never screw things up. And it seems to be

2129
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 1: a sort of a trend or a I think maybe

2130
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:52,040
Speaker 1: the correct term would be a retrend almost perhaps the

2131
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 1: picking up momentum lately. Definitely I'm right there with you. Yeah,

2132
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 1: you've started recently on the saddle front. And this year

2133
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:03,879
Speaker 1: another another of our first light team guys, Taylor Chamberlain,

2134
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 1: who Jordan and I did sort of a suburban hunting

2135
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:12,679
Speaker 1: short film on um hunts upboards of a hundred fifty

2136
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 1: days a year in a tree saddle. I think that

2137
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 1: was sort of a big wake up to Jordan and

2138
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:21,320
Speaker 1: I in terms of the potential efficacy of of the

2139
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 1: saddle haunts. Yeah, it's a lot easier to go hiking

2140
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 1: and wearing what you're gonna be in versus carrying fifteen

2141
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 1: pounds in your back extra. I mean it saved us

2142
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 1: probably ten minutes tonight. Yes, save us time, save us. Wait,

2143
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 1: we had a decent hike in there tonight, hanging hunting,

2144
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: and it was really nice that neither one of us

2145
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:45,440
Speaker 1: head to carry stamp. So I'm right there with you. Um,

2146
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: what's the bald eagle? Sound like you got the rhythm?

2147
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 1: I've got the caidens down. It's a pitch thing. It's

2148
01:53:55,240 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 1: more of a whistle though, when you feel like probably yeah, yeah,

2149
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 1: h From my advantage point, you're at there one in

2150
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 1: the cabin. Yeah, I went out inside for a second

2151
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 1: I heard I heard one out there. They are cool,

2152
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 1: the same one. They're very cool. Yeah, we saw last

2153
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 1: night and tonight or this morning tonight, I can't remember

2154
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 1: America America. Um, alright, Well, any concluding thoughts real quick

2155
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 1: or any final things we want to add anything we

2156
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 1: didn't hit that needs to be touched on real fast?

2157
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:33,200
Speaker 1: My two cold cushions. All right, you guys can see

2158
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 1: what I'm wearing is an under garments, right, what's the difference?

2159
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,200
Speaker 1: What is it? What are the advantage of like a

2160
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 1: marino wool over like a synthetic and and you were

2161
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: working like a synthetic and like pretty well kind of

2162
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 1: hype more compression type two compression type Greg, can you

2163
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 1: answer the question? But my short answers stank spelled s

2164
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 1: t A and ka um. There's so there's definitely advantage

2165
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 1: that both. Um. A synthetic is its pros are that

2166
01:55:06,240 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 1: it's going to dry faster. So typically, you know, when

2167
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 1: we're trying to get guys out guys or gals excuse

2168
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: me outfitted for a hunt. Um, it's largely based off

2169
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 1: of the environment that they're going to be in, and

2170
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 1: synthetics will consistently dry quicker than marinos, and inherently that's

2171
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 1: their benefit. However, what we've found is that what we

2172
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:32,520
Speaker 1: know to be true UM is that with a marino

2173
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 1: wool based layer, it's going to regulate your your body

2174
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 1: temperature better, both on both ends of the extremes. So

2175
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: when it's really hot out that marinos actually keeping you

2176
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 1: cold or keeping you cooler, and what's really cold out,

2177
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:47,480
Speaker 1: it's actually keeping you warmer. And that's a hard kind

2178
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 1: of concept to wrap your brain around until you think

2179
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 1: about where that wool comes from. That wool comes from

2180
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 1: sheep that live at really high elevations that in the

2181
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,440
Speaker 1: summer it's really really hot and in the winter it's

2182
01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:59,640
Speaker 1: really really cold. So that's one of the major advantages

2183
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 1: of it. UM. The second major advantage of marino wool

2184
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 1: over a synthetic to forward point is going to be

2185
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 1: stink naturally with no additives, no treatments, UM, nothing additional

2186
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 1: done to the fiber. It resists odor at the bacteria level,

2187
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 1: so it doesn't allow bacteria to grow on it. And

2188
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: there for three five seven days in your hunt, you're

2189
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 1: gonna be able to stand, you know, share sleep bag

2190
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 1: with yourself for you know, being in tent with a

2191
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 1: buddy or whatever it might be, UM, or even just

2192
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, be comfortable with your overall hygiene. So that's

2193
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 1: a big benefit of as well. And I would add

2194
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: to that because as Greg mentioned, it's not a treatment.

2195
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't wash out. A marino garment is not going

2196
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 1: to stink years later also, whereas a synthetic is going

2197
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 1: to start to get stink your and stink near to

2198
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 1: the point where it's pretty close to permanently stinking. I've

2199
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:53,080
Speaker 1: got one. I've got a couple that I feel like

2200
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 1: I always need to bring because I do feel like

2201
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:58,360
Speaker 1: they start to build up a stink quicker. But I've

2202
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 1: got one like I can't even wear any or because

2203
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:02,560
Speaker 1: exactly and I have three or four of us, and

2204
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 1: I just the bass layers of something that I haven't

2205
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 1: invested much time or money into. UM. But I'm starting

2206
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 1: to realize I think I need to make some changes

2207
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 1: because I'm wearing stuff that I you know, that I

2208
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:18,960
Speaker 1: was I would wear growing up in sports and stuff

2209
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 1: because that's what you wore as a base UM. But

2210
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 1: I think it's I think I need to You guys

2211
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: know that Josh was an Athlete of the Year in

2212
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:31,800
Speaker 1: high school. In what capacity across the whole high school.

2213
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 1: He was the athlete of the year. That's impressive. Yeah,

2214
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:40,040
Speaker 1: especially was that was that before or after he hit

2215
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:43,120
Speaker 1: the car with an arrow? That's a great question. Similar

2216
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 1: time at the same time from you kind of peaked

2217
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 1: in one capacity and bottom down and that was badminton,

2218
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 1: kayaking and table ten us. Yeah. Well you told your

2219
01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:58,720
Speaker 1: dad that last week and he was what he say, wow,

2220
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 1: of judging by you now I'm whereever, thanks Dave. Oh no, no, okay,

2221
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:08,480
Speaker 1: So that was that was number one? Thank you? Wait

2222
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:11,920
Speaker 1: what sports did you play? Leaving hanging? It wasn't badman

2223
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:15,920
Speaker 1: baseball and basketball in all seriousness, like we we for

2224
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: whatever reason, we've turned that into a thing we mock

2225
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 1: you about. But yeah, you're super good at sports. Thanks,

2226
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:29,160
Speaker 1: just another reason to make fun of me. Play college baseball, yeah, squash,

2227
01:58:29,240 --> 01:58:33,800
Speaker 1: further hilliard and then number two. I asked Mark this

2228
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:36,520
Speaker 1: last week, and I don't think he gave me a

2229
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 1: very good answer. First light, is there is there a

2230
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 1: meaning behind the name and what's the significance I told

2231
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:48,080
Speaker 1: you of the logo because that's something I was like,

2232
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 1: I asked about what I don't know, is there a

2233
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:53,200
Speaker 1: significance about it, or like I thought, it was like

2234
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 1: the sun coming behind a mountain. Yeah, you got it.

2235
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean first Light is kind of when things happen

2236
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 1: and in a big game, hunting, you know, world. And

2237
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 1: the symbol is, uh, you know, the sun coming over

2238
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:11,240
Speaker 1: the mountains ostensibly of central Idaho where we're where we're based.

2239
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 1: It's not an X and a D yes the sun

2240
01:59:14,840 --> 01:59:17,400
Speaker 1: peeking over a mountain. We got a lot of that

2241
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:20,280
Speaker 1: through the years, for sure, that X D brand. It's

2242
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:25,680
Speaker 1: pretty cool, just like the pistol. Yeah, yeah, all right,

2243
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:28,640
Speaker 1: that's that's all. That'sn't my two computers good stuff. Well,

2244
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:30,040
Speaker 1: thank you guys for coming. I had a lot of

2245
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:34,400
Speaker 1: fun meeting you guys. Yeah, thanks for managing absolutely anytime

2246
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,320
Speaker 1: you hope to have you guys. Speaking from Mark, I

2247
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 1: love to have you guys back. I like to have

2248
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:44,000
Speaker 1: you here to the Canyon camp whenever you like. No,

2249
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean, the sentiment is felt from the First Light

2250
01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 1: side of things too. We appreciate you guys hosting us

2251
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:51,800
Speaker 1: and obviously uh this has been productive on a number

2252
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:55,040
Speaker 1: of levels, both product development and just hanging out and

2253
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 1: having a great time and sharing camp with a bunch

2254
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,360
Speaker 1: of great guys. So we appreciate you hosting us and

2255
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:01,480
Speaker 1: have us up here. If I do anything in soon, Yeah,

2256
02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: it's a good time. Anything anything else from real forton. No,

2257
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:09,480
Speaker 1: it's cool as hell, It's really cool. It's special. It's

2258
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:13,080
Speaker 1: it's just special to be kind of a small part

2259
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 1: of this tradition. Jordan. Yeah, deer Camp is a special place.

2260
02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:21,560
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome. I think that's a good way to

2261
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:24,000
Speaker 1: a good way to end it. And I agree, Deer

2262
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 1: Camp is awesome. Deer Camp as cool as hell. And uh,

2263
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:29,600
Speaker 1: from my perspective, this is a place that I've come

2264
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:33,200
Speaker 1: to you my whole life since I can remember. Um,

2265
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:35,480
Speaker 1: but it has been so cool, or a couple more

2266
02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:37,200
Speaker 1: recent years to get to share it with a few

2267
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:40,160
Speaker 1: more people and get to see other people experienced this

2268
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:42,880
Speaker 1: place and come to appreciate the same things I've come

2269
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,640
Speaker 1: to appreciate you now. First bringing Josh into the fold,

2270
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,080
Speaker 1: and that's been really cool. Now getting to, you know,

2271
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:50,800
Speaker 1: bring a few other people out here that that has,

2272
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, just enriched the history here even more, and

2273
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:57,480
Speaker 1: uh brought me a lot of joy and and uh,

2274
02:00:57,600 --> 02:00:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, just there's nothing like it all of a

2275
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 1: sudden here chatting our our neighbor body stopping by last

2276
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:06,920
Speaker 1: night telling funny stories. I mean, you can't. You can't

2277
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:11,800
Speaker 1: beat that kind of stuff. You cannot, you can. So uh.

2278
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:17,200
Speaker 1: With that, want to wrap it up, and before we

2279
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:19,920
Speaker 1: shut this thing down completely, I just want to remind

2280
02:01:19,960 --> 02:01:22,680
Speaker 1: you all what I said about and about an hour

2281
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:24,840
Speaker 1: ago within the podcast, which is where are running a

2282
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:27,320
Speaker 1: special deal on first light. So if you heard any

2283
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:29,120
Speaker 1: of this you're interested in trying out some first light

2284
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:32,680
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Speaker 1: go on over to the meat eater dot com where

2286
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Speaker 1: we've got some first light gear up there and available,

2287
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2292
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Speaker 1: to the meat eater dot com go to the shop

2293
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Speaker 1: and you'll see it all there. And with that we

2294
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 1: will shut this down. Thank you all for listening, Thanks

2295
02:02:01,080 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 1: for being here with us. I hope you've got some

2296
02:02:03,080 --> 02:02:05,160
Speaker 1: great hunts still planned. I hope you're still getting out

2297
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:08,160
Speaker 1: into the true you're the blind. May snow storms and

2298
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:11,440
Speaker 1: cold temperatures be heading your way, so that's nice. Mature

2299
02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:13,160
Speaker 1: deer will be on their feet and on the food

2300
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Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired Ton