Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille
Speaker 1: Luddington and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to our brand new podcast, Call It
Speaker 2: What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camilla.
Speaker 1: Luddington, Episode one. Baby, This is exciting. This is where
Speaker 1: it all starts. It's where the rubber hits the road.
Speaker 1: Let's go, you guys. We are so incredibly excited to
Speaker 1: actually be like sitting here. We've been talking about this
Speaker 1: for months and months and months, but to be sat
Speaker 1: here with the mics, talking to each other and like
Speaker 1: getting into it finally, like it's like Christmas morning for me.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It is, and truly the goal in all of this
Speaker 2: wild madness and love festing is to get to know you.
Speaker 2: We can't wait to get to know you. But obviously
Speaker 2: before we get to know you, before you trust us,
Speaker 2: you might want to know a little bit more about us. Yes,
Speaker 2: so here's the thing. You may know us from Grey's Anatomy,
Speaker 2: where we played doctor Arizona Robbins and doctor Josephine Wilson,
Speaker 2: and we we are not those people in real life.
Speaker 2: We are, Jessica, we know we're not. We're not more similarities, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: definitely not. And even though if you were to run
Speaker 2: into us on the street or in the mall or
Speaker 2: anywhere else, we might look a lot like those people,
Speaker 2: we in fact were not. And so there might be
Speaker 2: some things that you'd like to get to know about
Speaker 2: us before you know, you trust us and come into
Speaker 2: the world and the friendship circle and and give us,
Speaker 2: give us your goods. So, I don't know, we should
Speaker 2: we tell them a little bit about ourselves. Yeah, get
Speaker 2: into it, let's go. Yeah, okay, great, all right, well
Speaker 2: here here, here we go. Here, here's my story. I
Speaker 2: live in New York in the New York countryside, where
Speaker 2: I come into work New York City, as well as
Speaker 2: other things that I do in New York City. But
Speaker 2: I'm originally a Midwesterner, and that is a big part
Speaker 2: of who I am, and I would say that it
Speaker 2: has been a compass for me, actually my whole life.
Speaker 2: And I come from Missouri, the show me state, and
Speaker 2: I've always you know, ah, yeah, show me, don't tell me.
Speaker 2: There was some historical there was some a year in history.
Speaker 2: Sounds a little bit like a flasher, sounds like a lawsuit,
Speaker 2: a lawsuit. Oh I was seeing like a trench coat
Speaker 2: and nothing underneath it, like that would be that would
Speaker 2: be a lawsuit. Well, that would be a lawsuit after
Speaker 2: the event perhaps. Anyways, So Midwesterner by birth and Los
Speaker 2: Angeles and then New York countryside New York City or
Speaker 2: by day. Sure. Anyways, So I live my life with
Speaker 2: my wonderful husband, Christopher Gavigan, and our incredible children.
Speaker 3: They are incredible. They are actually all incredible.
Speaker 2: I know, well they're they're good. I will I would
Speaker 2: like to keep them Luke, Eve, Poppy and Josephine. I
Speaker 2: am the oldest of ten siblings. I'm just obviously someone
Speaker 2: you should listen to, is what I.
Speaker 3: Think I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I know it's terrible.
Speaker 1: We're gonna like this is where the pot this is
Speaker 1: where the people are going to log off the podcast
Speaker 1: or right, please guys stay off.
Speaker 2: It might be a where it all? This is it.
Speaker 2: It's been a good ride, I know dress it was
Speaker 2: a good right. Can't wait to hear how you do
Speaker 2: with this.
Speaker 1: Just okay, I want to do great, everybody I do
Speaker 1: to address this.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of speculation because my accent has
Speaker 1: changed over time that I am not really from England,
Speaker 1: or I'm faking this accent, or it's like some sort
Speaker 1: of I don't know what it is, but it's in
Speaker 1: the message boards people.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: We're' in and raised England. My family is still all there.
Speaker 1: I was from a little town called Wokingham and I
Speaker 1: but I have lived now half my life in the US,
Speaker 1: and I've lived kind of all over. I've lived in
Speaker 1: New York, I've lived in small towns Susquehanna, Pennsylvania. I've
Speaker 1: lived in I was in New York, Texas, Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: and obviously Los Angeles, and so yeah, I've had I
Speaker 1: feel like I've kind of lived everywhere. And then I
Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles and did not become an actress
Speaker 1: right away, and I started waiting tables at a place
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica, and that's where I met my husband.
Speaker 1: We bonded over absolutely hating our jobs. We were both
Speaker 1: terrible at them, and then a million years later here
Speaker 1: we are married with two kids. I have Lucas and Hayden.
Speaker 1: They're both under the age of ten, which is a
Speaker 1: really interesting time. I'm interesting also quote yes code for
Speaker 1: interesting as code for interesting is code for all the thing.
Speaker 1: Anyone that has kids under ten listening to this, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's a situation like I've like
Speaker 1: I've just recovered from pink eye.
Speaker 3: And both eyes do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like it's there because if you're gonna get in one
Speaker 2: way and not get into it, don't the other eyes
Speaker 2: like jealous.
Speaker 3: It's like you's gotta yes, yeah, come on share the well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I also think that I need to say
Speaker 1: that I because this is gonna you guys are going
Speaker 1: to hear this. I'm a Sagittarius, and if you're a Sagittarius,
Speaker 1: you know that you are blunt and moving forward on
Speaker 1: this podcast. What I will say what it is is
Speaker 1: that we naturally do call it what it is.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not in annot I won't say it's
Speaker 1: an obnoxious way.
Speaker 2: It's just that we we.
Speaker 1: Want to be honest and it's hard. We don't sugarcoat it.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, And you know you you can't have
Speaker 2: that without trust. And so I think that you and
Speaker 2: I both trust each other so much that when we
Speaker 2: when we talk about things and we bring an issue
Speaker 2: up we we know that it will be met with
Speaker 2: you know, real like care that you care very much
Speaker 2: what happens to me, and I care very much what
Speaker 2: happens to you. And so it's great because when we
Speaker 2: get the conversations. I also think there's a part of
Speaker 2: life where I love this expression. I got it from
Speaker 2: a friend and it really makes sense to me, which
Speaker 2: is that sometimes things are sitting squarely in your blind
Speaker 2: spot and and and you really can't see them. It's
Speaker 2: not your fault, there's there's no there's nothing wrong with you.
Speaker 2: It's just that you don't you you haven't like turned
Speaker 2: your head and left over your shoulder. You definitely can't
Speaker 2: see them.
Speaker 1: Pink guy, definitely if you're a double pink guy, double.
Speaker 2: Pink, how are you going to do that?
Speaker 1: No, it's not happening.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. I've had some fucking problems and
Speaker 2: I've called Kimila and be like, damn, what am I
Speaker 2: going to do about this? Because X, Y and Z
Speaker 2: is happening? And ditto Yeah, and there will be something.
Speaker 2: She sees so clearly and explains it so well and
Speaker 2: with such care and compassion, and it's like a light
Speaker 2: bulb goes off, and again I trust, so I know
Speaker 2: she has my best interest at heart, and it makes
Speaker 2: it so much easier, It makes my problem seem so
Speaker 2: much smaller. And also again it's like nobody, oh gosh,
Speaker 2: you who wants to be alone in a bad feeling.
Speaker 2: And so when you get to reach out and talk
Speaker 2: to someone about something you're going through and they can
Speaker 2: recall an experience that was similar to yours, you just
Speaker 2: don't feel alone. And there's so much of that aloneness
Speaker 2: in the world right now, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people feel it, and I absolutely would love to
Speaker 2: be a part of making sure that no one feels
Speaker 2: alone in whatever ways that you can. So this is
Speaker 2: one small step towards, one small step towards making one
Speaker 2: small step towards creating an opportunity to listen in or
Speaker 2: call in or be part of sharing your stuff, whatever
Speaker 2: that stuff is. It's sort of like, come one, come all,
Speaker 2: because I think that or we think that we can
Speaker 2: handle it. Yeah we do.
Speaker 1: I mean what I love about my friendship with Jessica,
Speaker 1: and I think that you guys will hear this on
Speaker 1: the podcast too as time goes on. Is that, first off,
Speaker 1: you're Leo, which means that you're very honest, very honest
Speaker 1: and loyal. And when I call her, I don't feel
Speaker 1: any judgment ever.
Speaker 2: And I've called her with some really interesting shit.
Speaker 1: And she and I have never, ever, ever felt judged
Speaker 1: by her, and I know that together we can figure
Speaker 1: it out. And sometimes it doesn't feel that way until
Speaker 1: the end of the conversation and I get off a
Speaker 1: phone call with her, because even though she's in New York,
Speaker 1: I'm still calling her every day, it feels like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that release of like, Okay, she gets it, we can
Speaker 1: figure it out. She has my back, She's being honest
Speaker 1: with me. She's also not a yes person. I feel
Speaker 1: like in this city, honestly, in the world, there's just
Speaker 1: so many yes people that surround you, and you have
Speaker 1: no idea who's real, who's fake, who's gonna give it
Speaker 1: to you straight? And I really have always just loved
Speaker 1: that about you.
Speaker 2: What you just said actually is something that I think
Speaker 2: is so important about what we're hoping to do here,
Speaker 2: is that you and I, for lots of reasons that
Speaker 2: we'll go into later about our own upbringings, we are
Speaker 2: people who have gotten to this place in our life
Speaker 2: because we've been able to figure it out. And it
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it's always been easy, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that it's always been hard. But no matter what,
Speaker 2: you and I are both uniquely interested in figuring it
Speaker 2: out with optimism but genuinely like I have a lot
Speaker 2: of people in my life where like, you can't fucking
Speaker 2: do it, Like you can't do that, or this is
Speaker 2: not possible or whatever, and I'm definitely always the person
Speaker 2: that thinks, why not why can't I figure it out?
Speaker 2: Why can't why why couldn't I have my first choice?
Speaker 2: I mean, be with my second choice if that's what
Speaker 2: needs to happen, But can we get to a first choice?
Speaker 2: So I love the figuring out of it all, and
Speaker 2: I think that you do too, And I love that
Speaker 2: we we together feel that everything is figure outable and
Speaker 2: therefore can create a space where again, when you call
Speaker 2: in or you write in, you're able to you know,
Speaker 2: express that and sort of be met with you know,
Speaker 2: some team members. We're team members, we're teammates, we are teammates.
Speaker 2: We are well we want a bigger team, and that's
Speaker 2: what we want, a bigger team. We need to talk
Speaker 2: about how we met Justica we were on this very little,
Speaker 2: tiny little show, tiny little show, Gray's Anatomy, Gray's Anatomy,
Speaker 2: and you played who did you play?
Speaker 1: I played doctor Arizona Robbins, and I played doctor Josephine Wilson.
Speaker 1: And we met how many years ago? I was trying to.
Speaker 2: Do the math A long time ago. Let's just say
Speaker 2: it when I was twenty one. Yeah, no, long time,
Speaker 2: long time ago, twelve years ago.
Speaker 1: And I think that because we have such a solid
Speaker 1: friendship now, the assumption is that we have always been friends,
Speaker 1: like we must have met and it was like ran
Speaker 1: into each other and.
Speaker 2: I was like, who are you going? Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was like we were just friends totally.
Speaker 3: Like here's my friendship, bracelet call me.
Speaker 2: It was not the case. It was not the case
Speaker 2: for us. This was not our story.
Speaker 1: No, And I feel like, if we're gonna be honest
Speaker 1: on this podcast, yes and kind of like talk about
Speaker 1: some real shit.
Speaker 2: Yep, did you like it? Let's just get into it.
Speaker 2: When I first met you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not.
Speaker 2: I know this is shocking. I did not. I did
Speaker 2: not like you.
Speaker 1: I did not not like you, which the double negative
Speaker 1: would be here, I go, let's get used to here.
Speaker 2: We go, because usually I have a wind up. She says,
Speaker 2: here we go. Okay, so we'll hold on.
Speaker 4: So what happened was that when I first met you,
Speaker 4: I maybe had just had a baby and was coming
Speaker 4: back to work, and I was feeling very insecure about
Speaker 4: pretty much everything. And I think that when you are insecure,
Speaker 4: you're sort of just not receptive to the world, or
Speaker 4: you sort of doubt everyone and everything around you, but
Speaker 4: mostly yourself. And I think that maybe that was why
Speaker 4: when I first met you, I couldn't see all of
Speaker 4: your inner glory and I was I was just focused
Speaker 4: on my own insecure feelings.
Speaker 3: Let's let's get into Okay, great, so.
Speaker 2: I'm call it. Let's call it what it is. So
Speaker 2: in calling it what it is, I might have met
Speaker 2: you very soon after a pregnancy that I had just
Speaker 2: had my second sweet baby girl, and I was back
Speaker 2: at work after truly that was not along. That was
Speaker 2: not a long maternity leave for me.
Speaker 1: So maybe like, oh, you left the hospital and you
Speaker 1: like ubered to sat, I over took the table read yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, we got this, I got this, I
Speaker 2: got this, I can do it all. And I might
Speaker 2: have shown up to set and the the people were
Speaker 2: a twitter about some beautiful new woman coming to the show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we got that part. And then I figured
Speaker 2: that they could proably jump ahead and know that that
Speaker 2: was the part. And anyway, so beautiful new woman coming.
Speaker 2: I think you came in with another guy, do you
Speaker 2: remember him?
Speaker 1: I came in with a whole intern, class I only
Speaker 1: remember two of you.
Speaker 2: Okay, there weren't five of us. I think it was
Speaker 2: you and Jesse. Jessica. You were what that was, Sarah true.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong about these.
Speaker 3: Fans right now screaming at this point.
Speaker 2: That's okay, guys, guess what call call it what it is.
Speaker 2: I can be wrong and.
Speaker 3: We can still intern Classy can would in fine.
Speaker 2: You came in, beautiful young woman coming in. Everything else.
Speaker 2: I might have just had a baby. Maybe I wasn't
Speaker 2: feeling my you know, my sharpest or bestest ever. And
Speaker 2: I think that these things can happen where all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I was looking across at this again beautiful
Speaker 2: young woman and not feeling myself, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm gonna like her. I just
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm gonna like her.
Speaker 1: Okay, I did not know that I was just came
Speaker 1: and looking gorgeous, minding my own business. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: it kind of I realized kind of.
Speaker 3: Quickly that you didn't like me.
Speaker 1: Because let's call it the burger truck incident of twenty
Speaker 1: twelve burger gate, burger gate. So that is really where
Speaker 1: the story shows. Let meet, that's where it should start,
Speaker 1: because listen, in my defense, Shonda Rhymes, it's common onsets
Speaker 1: to get a food truck to celebrate certain a Friday,
Speaker 1: a Friday, the two yes, yes, and there was a
Speaker 1: lovely burger truck, and I thought, oh, I should I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen I hadn't seen.
Speaker 3: A food truck yet.
Speaker 2: On set.
Speaker 1: I snapped a picture of the truck and was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to post it on Twitter and tag Sean
Speaker 1: and say thank you for the burger truck, which is
Speaker 1: very polite. That is really nice.
Speaker 2: Someone wasn't a fan of it. What happened after you
Speaker 2: posted the picture? Yeah, so how did you know that
Speaker 2: I didn't like it? Should we just be honest?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we're here for. Let me paint
Speaker 1: the picture for everybody. I'm sitting my own business. The
Speaker 1: picture has been posted. We're sitting in Castres and Jessa
Speaker 1: comes in and she's like picture and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it might have been fire breathing. And
Speaker 1: you were not happy because you tell.
Speaker 2: Me what the picture looked like, Camela, that you posted.
Speaker 1: Okay, the picture in your mind or the post another well,
Speaker 1: that we can find it the actual picture. Was talking
Speaker 1: about how it is my mistake a slither of Jessica
Speaker 1: Capshaw to the side.
Speaker 2: And do what was I doing in the picture?
Speaker 3: You were eating? You were eating?
Speaker 1: Was it maybe you're a lovely picture of you were
Speaker 1: maybe a burger.
Speaker 3: I don't know what was going on.
Speaker 2: I was kind on the truck. I was going to
Speaker 2: eat that burger in one bite. Yeah I did. I
Speaker 2: probably did. I scarfed that burger in the back of
Speaker 2: a picture. That would be I think probably considered. And
Speaker 2: probably you. I know you and how you consider pictures
Speaker 2: that are posted. You highly considered that photo. You looked
Speaker 2: great in that phone.
Speaker 3: I did you even?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: First off, was I even in the picture?
Speaker 2: Am I remembering it wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We might need to find this photo. Okay, fans will
Speaker 1: find this photo in two seconds. You were in it
Speaker 1: for like a slither. Okay, you were eating the burgers,
Speaker 1: as was everybody else. And I posted it and then
Speaker 1: you were like, you.
Speaker 3: Need to ask before you and.
Speaker 1: I was because I was new and terrified and this
Speaker 1: is Jessica capsuleaw and I was like okay.
Speaker 2: And then and then I.
Speaker 1: Was like, okay, she full on hates me, Like Burgergate happened,
Speaker 1: and the vibes were not good.
Speaker 2: They weren't great. I didn't hate you. I don't hate it.
Speaker 1: No, you strongly like you just liked what she didn't. Yes,
Speaker 1: you weren't a fan.
Speaker 3: And then and then we should talk about how we
Speaker 3: actually became friends.
Speaker 2: So that happened. That was a real story because that happened.
Speaker 2: And then we we didn't really have storylines together, so
Speaker 2: we just sort of existed. Yeah, and you know, all
Speaker 2: was always right in the universe then and then we
Speaker 2: have friends in common on the show yep. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they always they always, they always did say that you
Speaker 2: really were great. I was getting it wrong because they
Speaker 2: stood up for you. Yeah. I was like, she's strategic.
Speaker 2: That's the word I have for you. She's just strategic.
Speaker 2: There's something about you.
Speaker 3: Actually told me that I was a cheeting strategic.
Speaker 2: I said it to your face.
Speaker 3: Yes, you did, I remember up front and I said, thanks.
Speaker 3: I assume that.
Speaker 2: We was a compliment. It's a compliment. Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1: As so Jessica and I. Long story short, we invited
Speaker 1: a group of people separately. We kind of like helped
Speaker 1: organize together people to go to dinner at Katsuya, a
Speaker 1: sushi rataurant in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: And at this point we got along fine. We were
Speaker 2: we were fine, we were okind and.
Speaker 1: We were the only ones that showed up. Basically everyone
Speaker 1: canceled on us, which I don't know what that says
Speaker 1: about us.
Speaker 2: And I thought, I've thought about this. I think it
Speaker 2: really was. I actually genuinely remember it being like someone
Speaker 2: had to work early the next morning and someone had
Speaker 2: a kid that was yes.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I think it was also the night of our.
Speaker 1: Wrap party, which is the party that happens at the
Speaker 1: end of every season. I think we were posting before.
Speaker 1: I think it was a different party for a pre party.
Speaker 1: People couldn't anyway. Dress and I were there.
Speaker 3: We were together on a date at Katsua, just us,
Speaker 3: and then we just fell in love.
Speaker 2: We totally did. It was just the mood, the mood
Speaker 2: was right, the lighting was right, was gleaming she was, Yes,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: And then truly that is that was our first year
Speaker 3: working together, truly.
Speaker 2: Yes, And then we really did become friends immediately. It
Speaker 2: was instant ease and total belonging. Yes, And we laughed
Speaker 2: a lot together on that is our In fact, it's
Speaker 2: actually really good that we didn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: scenes together because it would have ruined a lot of
Speaker 2: scenes together. Yeah, for sure. It's the I always think
Speaker 2: that the kind of laughter that I had with you
Speaker 2: is the kind that I had in high school with
Speaker 2: my best friend, where it really wasn't in my control
Speaker 2: to stop, like I didn't have There's it's a valve
Speaker 2: that gets turned on and I can't turn it off.
Speaker 3: And that's a problem when you're shooting.
Speaker 2: Well because yes, because they're paying you not to last,
Speaker 2: you to do your job exactly right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: So then we were friends yep.
Speaker 1: And then and it's been about twelve I want to say,
Speaker 1: twelve years now. Yeh, friendship, I bet I bet that
Speaker 1: booth that sounds right.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, ups and downs in all rounds and pregnancies,
Speaker 2: oh gosh, pregnancies. Then we actually did have a storyline
Speaker 2: together when you were pregnant, you say a little bit
Speaker 2: about that, just a little bit to like, you know,
Speaker 2: talk about your work, your work life balance, okay, and
Speaker 2: your mentality when.
Speaker 1: Okay, hang on, let me just talk about pregnancy as
Speaker 1: I have shop. Jessica was like, you should get pregnant
Speaker 1: Gray Nanny because it's the most supportive.
Speaker 3: Set everh blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: That is true, but Jessica made it look easy. As
Speaker 3: an actress. You want to talk about like showing up beautiful.
Speaker 1: You were like glowing okay, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is what pregnancy looks like as a
Speaker 1: working actress.
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, she's right, Yes, the show is
Speaker 3: extremely supportive. No, I was not glowing.
Speaker 1: I you were, though, was like a troll through my pregnancy, sweating, disgusting,
Speaker 1: and I was not the exact opposite of Johnny. I
Speaker 1: was a false advertising and we had a standalone together.
Speaker 1: I was a little delicate. Maybe just think about it, sure, yeah, stly, okay, totally, okay, Burgergate,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about it a little. I was
Speaker 1: a little delicate, So I'm delicate. After you're a baby,
Speaker 1: you're delicate.
Speaker 2: Duram.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: Time, so uh yeah, So we had.
Speaker 1: A standalone together and I was pregnant bookey prison episode,
Speaker 1: the prison episode.
Speaker 3: Yes, And did I ask for an extra large throne.
Speaker 2: To sit on? Sure? Maybe I did, just to ask
Speaker 2: for her chair to be just right offset, not like
Speaker 2: where our normal cast chairs are. She would like it
Speaker 2: about twenty paces closer to the set so that she
Speaker 2: didn't have to take twenty extra steps offset. Do we
Speaker 2: have to go through everything like?
Speaker 1: It's a genuine question, and maybe the half hour lunch
Speaker 1: has really got under your skin. They did, okay, but
Speaker 1: I do think we should talk about this is how
Speaker 1: amazing our friendship feels to me and so super super special.
Speaker 1: When I was pregnant and I did have my baby,
Speaker 1: this is how amazing Jessica Capsurez as a friend. I
Speaker 1: forgot how to swaddle my first child, Hayden was a baby.
Speaker 1: They tell you when you are you know, like babies
Speaker 1: loved to be sluttled tight. No, my child was a
Speaker 1: ninja at five days old and she was getting out
Speaker 1: of that swattle and I was like, I don't know how.
Speaker 2: To do this.
Speaker 3: And I called Jessica, and you were I don't know if.
Speaker 1: You remember this, you were driving on the freeway and
Speaker 1: you pulled off at the exit and you're passing my
Speaker 1: house and she came over just to show me how
Speaker 1: to swaddle, and then left and you're on your way,
Speaker 1: Like that's that just says everything about who you are.
Speaker 2: As a friend. I do remember, and I do, and
Speaker 2: it was it was I genuinely felt like it was
Speaker 2: my It was my privilege, Like these things that we learn,
Speaker 2: and like what are we if we don't pass them on?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: So it's just it. I mean, it was. It was
Speaker 2: as easy as anything. Yeah, And I think that that's something.
Speaker 1: So, yes, we want to like we have been there
Speaker 1: for each other in like these huge moments, all the
Speaker 1: ups and downs.
Speaker 3: And then moments like that. Yeah, and then you have
Speaker 3: moved to the opposite coast.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I think that there was definitely a moment
Speaker 2: where you know, you have your work friends and you
Speaker 2: have this incredibly rich life and even if you are
Speaker 2: pulling up freeways to go see each other and have
Speaker 2: a moment, but you always know you have that work
Speaker 2: time together, so you count on it for connection and
Speaker 2: everything else. And then my time at Grace ended, and
Speaker 2: I think neither but both of us were so right
Speaker 2: or I at that point that I don't think either
Speaker 2: one of us was like, oh, maybe maybe it won't
Speaker 2: be the same. But I think that anyone from the
Speaker 2: outside would say they're probably going to lose content. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you don't have that built in place to connect.
Speaker 2: And and it didn't, right, it just didn't didn't.
Speaker 1: We kept we talked just as much, and it was
Speaker 1: probably in a weird way more because we were relied
Speaker 1: on seeing each other on the show.
Speaker 3: But we didn't work together enough on the show.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. Yeah, So, but it just didn't.
Speaker 2: And so we and I knew exactly where you were,
Speaker 2: and I mean sometimes I remember I remember getting a
Speaker 2: phone off for me on a Friday night and super late.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, just I knew. There's not many
Speaker 2: people who know exactly what it is to do what
Speaker 2: you do, right, We all do different things, and I
Speaker 2: and I do, and I did, and then and then
Speaker 2: and then absolutely we would have each other at our
Speaker 2: homes and I remember you being there for the Mermaid
Speaker 2: birthday party, the Mermaid.
Speaker 3: Berth, for pop party, for Poppy Jans and Hayden's first birthday. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: and like Easter replaced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so much fun. And then and then we decided
Speaker 2: to move our family to New York and we were
Speaker 2: out asking. I didn't even as I know, I know,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't, I know, And I remember there was a
Speaker 1: point where You're like, so, but where exactly? And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know you're gonna come, You're gonna come,
Speaker 1: come with me. Can we just talk about.
Speaker 3: Where you live?
Speaker 1: Because if you google maps where Jessica lives, you'll just
Speaker 1: see like a field on.
Speaker 5: Like one horse and then it's like her house. I
Speaker 5: think you google map, horse is like where am I?
Speaker 2: The horse was like, I love you and that's your
Speaker 2: best friend there, which is why why our time so much.
Speaker 2: I moved just outside of New York City because I
Speaker 2: have four children, and I did not think that the
Speaker 2: city life was not I think, conducive to We will
Speaker 2: get it. We'll talk about this much more later. But yes,
Speaker 2: I just I'm so invested in raising the best human
Speaker 2: beings that I possibly can, and it didn't feel like
Speaker 2: the city was going to check all the boxes. So
Speaker 2: now I'm not.
Speaker 3: So they're still here, My kids are still here.
Speaker 2: They're very young, still they're very young still. So we
Speaker 2: moved just outside New York City, and you would have
Speaker 2: thought that our friendship would change, and it didn't.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Also the thing that is important to note is that
Speaker 1: you and I early days would always talk about maybe
Speaker 1: this is why I was.
Speaker 2: I called you strategic because I saw in you what
Speaker 2: I see in myself, but I wasn't ready to like
Speaker 2: really confront it yet. Was it. Actually you gotta have
Speaker 2: a fucking plan. You gotta be strategic. What are you
Speaker 2: If you're strategic? You're not just along for the ride,
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to be in the in the
Speaker 2: passenger seat all the time. You want to be in
Speaker 2: the driver's seat. So being strategic and thinking about the
Speaker 2: future and thinking about what you want to contribute, especially
Speaker 2: when you're on a show where you know, I found
Speaker 2: jobs to be incredibly creative and I love being an
Speaker 2: actress and it's so much fun, and it's also really
Speaker 2: hard and incredibly complex on some level.
Speaker 1: And you're speaking someone else's words. You're not the driver
Speaker 1: of the car. You're you're along for the ride on
Speaker 1: some level.
Speaker 2: And so you and I early days would talk about
Speaker 2: what we wanted that was more whatever it was do
Speaker 2: we want to produce like kids or a book? To find?
Speaker 2: We want to produce something? Do you want to pitch
Speaker 2: a show? How is even when we were there is
Speaker 2: my storyline? What's what's happening here?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Are there ideas? Are there things like push the limits
Speaker 2: be a part of creating what you want? And so
Speaker 2: we would talk. We would talk often about that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. And then and then we both got invited
Speaker 2: to do a like a Grays Con in Paris.
Speaker 1: In Paris, yes, and and it was an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go and you know, meet and be with fans and
Speaker 1: people who love all things Grays.
Speaker 2: And it was also there was an opportunity to tag
Speaker 2: on two days in Paris with your bestie. We basically
Speaker 2: made it a girls is what Jess is trying to
Speaker 2: get up? This is what we did. And then we
Speaker 2: had the best time, best time. And I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit like I like to be. I'm very big. I
Speaker 2: love organizing, so I so I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I was a little more on the itinerary based part
Speaker 2: of it all. I'd be like, where are we.
Speaker 3: Stay a little more?
Speaker 2: I would just roll out of head.
Speaker 1: I was like a lemming, like I would follow Jess
Speaker 1: to wherever you know we would be going, and we
Speaker 1: were we were the tourists, and we were tourists and
Speaker 1: Paris we were tourists because sometimes we know we were going,
Speaker 1: so we had to pull out that Google Maps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did Google a you're going to pay us for this.
Speaker 1: We talked about you a lot, No, but we should
Speaker 1: talk about also that what we discovered, which is what
Speaker 1: you can't guess with someone is whether even if you
Speaker 1: have a great friendship, you don't know how two people
Speaker 1: are going to travel together. Because I've traveled with some girlfriends.
Speaker 1: We'll get into this in another episode, and it's not fun.
Speaker 1: It's really not fun.
Speaker 2: And you don't like to wake up at this same time.
Speaker 2: You don't want to get we are off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you're like, oh this is this is
Speaker 3: you traveling?
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, I don't know if we would be friends
Speaker 1: if we traveled, if we travel Yeah, but we travel
Speaker 1: so well together and we had a blast. And I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that like sparked this idea
Speaker 1: for the podcast too, is we had we never did
Speaker 1: interviews together, and we were on stage together and we
Speaker 1: had to fun interviews together and we just had. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a trip, it was fantastic, and we walked away,
Speaker 1: and I think that hunger for us to like, what
Speaker 1: are we going to do together?
Speaker 2: Yes, and also that we were that we we we
Speaker 2: both love making fun of ourselves. You like making fun
Speaker 2: of me more than and you're better at it. Maybe
Speaker 2: I am of you, but we do we like we
Speaker 2: we love the humor in it, and we don't mind it.
Speaker 2: We don't mind being the better the joke. No, we don't.
Speaker 2: We actually put ourselves squarely in that seat, in that seat, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: And that happens a lot when you're traveling. And also
Speaker 2: for anyone who knows jet lag, it is real. And
Speaker 2: I think it's probably it was probably day two or
Speaker 2: three that you get real silly, it's usually day two.
Speaker 2: But there were a couple back of the taxi rides
Speaker 2: that tears tears falling down, So we kind of like,
Speaker 2: by the way, when we were in.
Speaker 1: Paris, I should say this, it makes us some ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but justsin and I did walk into some places thinking
Speaker 1: like okay, we like, let's grab a table. You know
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles you can kind of walk in and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, can I get a table, not because
Speaker 1: of who we are.
Speaker 2: Oh, should we reenact?
Speaker 1: Just because of the show, but just like it's a
Speaker 1: little casual, right, like you can walk in and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: get in. Maybe it's a fifteen in a weight in Paris.
Speaker 2: We found out it's a little different. Should we reenact?
Speaker 2: How about we mean, how about you play the hostess?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, I think you should play the host? Oh okay, Bobby,
Speaker 1: you be me? Okakay, okay.
Speaker 2: So we were told that there was a really beautiful
Speaker 2: trass to go have a little dinner at.
Speaker 1: And as a terrorist for anyone that can terrible terrace.
Speaker 1: So we were told about the terrace, and we walked
Speaker 1: over to this hotel that it was at, and this,
Speaker 1: I mean the gentleman sold it like it was no
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 2: By the way. He was like yeah, and I was
Speaker 2: your lemming. So I'm like, let's go. We're gonna we
Speaker 2: walked in with confidence.
Speaker 5: We did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we walked straight up to the host to stand.
Speaker 2: We had no reservation and and by the way, the
Speaker 2: restaurant was dead. There was there was no one was clear,
Speaker 2: yeah it was there was no one was in line
Speaker 2: for this place. No, no, okay. And then There was
Speaker 2: also outside of the terrace, which was never gonna say
Speaker 2: the other way. It was like a square shaped. There
Speaker 2: was then like an auxiliary area on the outside of
Speaker 2: the square where you could like sit and yeah, you
Speaker 2: could sit and you could just look into the terrace
Speaker 2: like you were.
Speaker 1: You were like an audience member for people eating in
Speaker 1: the in the terrace, which is where you wanted to be.
Speaker 3: It was sunny, it was beautiful, is outside.
Speaker 2: I was where you imagined that at any moment, Leonardo
Speaker 2: DiCaprio would be, you know, sitting there with an entourage exactly.
Speaker 2: And we wanted to casual. We wanted that vibe. We
Speaker 2: wanted that vibe for ourselves. We felt that it was organic.
Speaker 2: We felt that what happened to think it was a stretch.
Speaker 2: So we went up to the host to stand and
Speaker 2: so you're going to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Hi, I'm going to be that Jessica is
Speaker 1: actually really playing the part of the Okay, this is
Speaker 1: how Jessica talks.
Speaker 2: Hi, do you have a no?
Speaker 3: Okay? But the terrors if it's not just we're just
Speaker 3: going to be here for and it's gonna here for
Speaker 3: five it's just a tea.
Speaker 2: We were it was no, it was now and it
Speaker 2: was an end of the beginning and the end.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they let us know that that section was
Speaker 1: for hotel and it was going to be packed, jamming,
Speaker 1: and I gotta be in my bonnet.
Speaker 3: I was pissed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and n I mean, honestly, I shouldn't have been.
Speaker 2: I don't know who I thought I was, but I
Speaker 2: was unhappy with her answer, and then I lied, do
Speaker 2: you remember what I lied about?
Speaker 3: You said that we were staying in the hotel?
Speaker 2: Did you know?
Speaker 1: I said I called earlier and someone said it was fine, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but we should have said we were staying at the
Speaker 1: hotel done like.
Speaker 2: A Well we weren't.
Speaker 1: And I knew we didn't have a key that was
Speaker 1: not gonna pass master. But I but I said that
Speaker 1: I called earlier, yeah, and that yes, and she said no.
Speaker 2: And she said no.
Speaker 3: So we sat.
Speaker 1: We ended up sitting because we're like, we're not leaving.
Speaker 1: We end up sitting in the seats that looked onto
Speaker 1: the terrace. So we were like stalkers with our cocktails
Speaker 1: looking at who would be sad?
Speaker 2: And every time someone knew came onto the terrace, yes,
Speaker 2: I would be like I don't think they're staying here.
Speaker 1: I exactly, I don't think here's the kicker you guys.
Speaker 1: And I really, honestly I love being humbled, not that
Speaker 1: I think that like we're like the coolest people in
Speaker 1: the whole world.
Speaker 2: But our waiter came over and I said, Hey, this
Speaker 2: was embarrassing. Just look me, and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: tell the whole stock. I just good.
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, look me in the end, not
Speaker 3: everyone on the terrace and staying at the hotel or
Speaker 3: a wink wink, nudge nudge. And he was like, no,
Speaker 3: sometimes if there's a celebrity that.
Speaker 6: Shows up, I don't remember. He's like, they sit there
Speaker 6: and just like we're like, okay, And.
Speaker 1: We were so humbled in that moment waiting for celebrities
Speaker 1: to show up on the sidelines. Anyway, I don't even
Speaker 1: know why we had to tell this humiliating story. So basically,
Speaker 1: we've been through some shit together, including the terraces.
Speaker 2: Yes, so then we come back and we go back
Speaker 2: to our lives, and then I remember there being a
Speaker 2: case where Camilla's memory got sparked about a very funny
Speaker 2: story that happened there. She called me. I was with
Speaker 2: Christopher in the car. I answered. We talked, and by
Speaker 2: the end of it, I was laughing so so hard,
Speaker 2: so so so hard. I was crying, laughing, laughing, laughing,
Speaker 2: And we hung up and Christaph looked at me and
Speaker 2: he was like, I don't I actually don't know anyone
Speaker 2: who makes you laugh that hard, Like I don't hear
Speaker 2: that laugh often. That's a that's a real laugh.
Speaker 1: We needed diapers in Paris, like our pants like a
Speaker 1: hundred times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in public. And so then we came home and
Speaker 2: we entered our lives, and I had already been in
Speaker 2: conversations about I was really interested in the podcast and
Speaker 2: this is what they say. I was really interested in
Speaker 2: the podcast space. So I had been exploring it was
Speaker 2: exploring the podcast space.
Speaker 4: And and so.
Speaker 2: But the thing was kind of like I it was,
Speaker 2: you want to do it by yourself.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 2: I would have done it by myself, oh the truth.
Speaker 2: No no, no, I mean like I would have but adventure.
Speaker 2: Would you just calm down.
Speaker 1: I would have done myself. I would have done myself.
Speaker 1: I would have done it to myself.
Speaker 3: But you needed some star quality.
Speaker 1: I needed some star quality and I needed uh you
Speaker 1: shut up? Oh why I'm here, I will, I'm about
Speaker 1: to say something nice. Don't make this hard, Okay. So
Speaker 1: I thought about it, and then I just, I don't know,
Speaker 1: something else happened and you and I were talking, and
Speaker 1: you were also similarly interested in it, and I just
Speaker 1: thought our conversations are so easy and they're so organic,
Speaker 1: and I so consider myself to be I know other
Speaker 1: people would try to say they were, but I.
Speaker 2: Truly feel like one of your number one fans. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's more than when I'm one number one fan,
Speaker 2: but I am one of your number one fans, and
Speaker 2: I love being with you. I love talking to you,
Speaker 2: and I think that the things that we.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel like kind of emotional right now,
Speaker 1: but we're here doing this, Okay, I continue.
Speaker 3: Continuing the compliments. What else.
Speaker 2: Tears so exactly? So I remember then, say, I remember
Speaker 2: calling Uni and being like, okay, what do I what
Speaker 2: do we need? And it was like literally like just
Speaker 2: give me a couple of sentences to go with, like
Speaker 2: what is this about? What is podcast about? And so
Speaker 2: I think I believe it was my idea to then
Speaker 2: just like write my half of you, like my my
Speaker 2: my feeling about you are story and whatever. And I
Speaker 2: truly remember probably being my car where most mothers are
Speaker 2: because we don't have offices, being in my car and
Speaker 2: staying there and writing like a paragraph.
Speaker 1: And sending it to UNI and sending it to you know,
Speaker 1: sending it to you and saying, hey, can you write
Speaker 1: something like this back? And then you know, we'll get
Speaker 1: notes on it, we'll refine in whatever.
Speaker 2: Whatever. You wrote something back that made me laugh so hard.
Speaker 2: I sent it off to Uni and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: so well, you know I can I can change it,
Speaker 2: I can edit it whatever. She was like, no, this
Speaker 2: is it, this is perfect, this is done. And then
Speaker 2: it got sent off.
Speaker 3: And then we had the conversation about what the podcast
Speaker 3: should be.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to be honest, like I listened to
Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts and I felt like like I
Speaker 1: wanted to do something a little bit different that could
Speaker 1: include our listeners. And so we came up with the
Speaker 1: idea of call it what it is, which feels like
Speaker 1: we have our like you know, you have your inner
Speaker 1: circle of like your friendship, right, and it feels like
Speaker 1: we're going to expand it out with the podcast. And
Speaker 1: our intention is with this going forward is that we
Speaker 1: want to help help us help you, like we want
Speaker 1: to solve your problems.
Speaker 2: Solve solved, it's the only way, So we.
Speaker 1: Want to help solve your problems like we've helped solve
Speaker 1: each other's problems.
Speaker 2: Yes, when you're having an issue or when you have
Speaker 2: a problem, you feel so alone and you're pretty much
Speaker 2: convinced that you're the only person that's ever had the problem.
Speaker 2: And it's a wild thing that your mind does to you.
Speaker 2: And what I have found in friendship is that the
Speaker 2: minute you say it, and that you have a compassionate
Speaker 2: partner who cares about you and loves you and sees
Speaker 2: the best in you, you have a direct access to
Speaker 2: resolve to an answer because that person sees you in
Speaker 2: a different way than you do. And you don't feel
Speaker 2: alone anymore. And again, the world is the world can
Speaker 2: be a lonely place, and people can feel alone, but
Speaker 2: they don't need to because they can tune in to
Speaker 2: us on this podcast where we will call it what.
Speaker 3: It is exactly right.
Speaker 1: We need to let all of our new friends know
Speaker 1: where they can find us to tell us our problem.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, please please please please, Okay, where they can
Speaker 1: find us? Yeah, they're going to dm US. Well, first
Speaker 1: they're going to go to Instagram and they're going to
Speaker 1: follow us and call it what it is, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they can dm us. They can slive I
Speaker 1: didn't do ida. We want you to slide into the
Speaker 1: DMS slide hard. There's something so naughty about that. Yes, writing, yeah,
Speaker 1: I but slide with details. But you know what, if
Speaker 1: you're feeling a little, you know, less naughty, you can
Speaker 1: also just email us absolutely, email us at what call
Speaker 1: it at iHeartRadio dot com.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is there any other way to contact us, Jess? Well,
Speaker 2: I mean if you felt like just picking up the phone, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just like maybe one of those pink phones like in
Speaker 2: the promos that you see us in exactly. And what's
Speaker 2: that number?
Speaker 1: Well, the number is eight three three seven call it yeah,
Speaker 1: which also would be eight three three seven two two
Speaker 1: five five four eight exactly. I hope we can our
Speaker 1: own all lines of communication for me, our own jingle.
Speaker 2: Like a three three seven seven. It's awesome, It's a
Speaker 2: three three seven goll it. So again, you can either
Speaker 2: go the insta route, you can go the email route,
Speaker 2: you can go the calling us route, yes, or in
Speaker 2: the future you can go the live route. Yes, the answer,
Speaker 2: well we answer the phone. Yes we will, we will,
Speaker 2: exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for anyone that wants to contact us and
Speaker 1: remain anonymous, you absolutely can't. We do not have to
Speaker 1: tell anybody your handle or who you are anything else.
Speaker 1: We can keep it all nice and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah they could even if they wanted to. They could
Speaker 2: use like a voice scrambler. They could call and they
Speaker 2: could be you know.
Speaker 3: Like in scream.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow wow we.
Speaker 1: Would also, I mean, or you could get AI involved
Speaker 1: and like they sound like right Dolly partner, but they're not.
Speaker 3: Is that you?
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for joining us. This is
Speaker 2: oh my goodness. Conclusion of the first episode. I love it.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling, Jess? I feel great. I feel great.
Speaker 2: I love talking to you. I love talking about what
Speaker 2: we're hoping to do. It's exciting, it's full of possibilities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exact.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited to I'm really excited to hear from everybody.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 1: I'm also really I'm also really excitedly, I'm really excited
Speaker 1: about future guests me too.
Speaker 2: I've already had people. I've had people slide into my
Speaker 2: dms asking you know about guesting just so we're clear,
Speaker 2: very exciting people too, and they're gonna come on and
Speaker 2: by the way, they are also going to help us
Speaker 2: solve all the problems. Yeah, or at least figure out
Speaker 2: the next best step. How about we do that, Like,
Speaker 2: maybe there'll be things that we actually genuinely figure out.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll figure out the next best step. Maybe there'll
Speaker 2: be a two parter. Who knows, we don't know. That's
Speaker 2: why the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1: And for those of you wondering just before we go,
Speaker 1: if we will ever hear back from people whose problems
Speaker 1: we have quote unquote solved, Yes, we may get a revisit,
Speaker 1: a repeat, a repeat visitor, a repeat visitor. Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean listen, all of this is to say, this guy's
Speaker 1: the limit, exactly right. And this has been the very
Speaker 1: first episode, the very first episode, the premiere episode
Speaker 2: Of Call It What Is Bye Friends,