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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Gorman. Lera Overton is here. JJ Stankovitz is here,

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Speaker 1: and we're here to talk some Colts football. Zat keeper

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Speaker 1: from the Athletic will be joining us momentarily. But the

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Speaker 1: first question that I a lot of emotions over the

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Speaker 1: a disappointing end to a season of hope and promise

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Speaker 1: and this is a good life in the NFL. But

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Speaker 1: it is also a cruel life in the NFL at

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Speaker 1: times for teams and the destination that they want to go.

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Speaker 1: Our Colts fell short, obviously, a two game losing streak

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Speaker 1: to end the season. This may be a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a therapy session for me, for JJ and for Lara,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to try and come up with some

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Speaker 1: more so with Lara because JJ is our new guy

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Speaker 1: done all year. Is this, as I've heard some local

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Speaker 1: local media representatives talking about, is this the most disappointing

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Speaker 1: loss in the franchise history of the Indianapolis Colts. My first,

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Speaker 1: my first gut instinct to that one is I was

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Speaker 1: than this one. But Lara, I offer you that is

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Speaker 1: this the most disappointing loss? How do how do I

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Speaker 1: historical losses, I certainly think it is the most disappointing

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Speaker 1: I think that there have certainly been some disappointments at

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Speaker 1: There a lot of those teams, of course, when you

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Speaker 1: OTAs because of the pandemic and the protocols and all

431
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Speaker 1: of these things, and then Carson misses the entirety of

432
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Speaker 1: camp and the entirety of the preseason. That is not

433
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Speaker 1: an excuse that I'm saying, but in your unbiased opinion,

434
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Speaker 1: looking from the perspective that you do, how much did

435
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Speaker 1: that impact the slow start and some of what we

436
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: saw in Carson's inability to spark this offense when it

437
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 1: needed it most. Yeah, I think both things can be true,

438
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: and that's what fans probably don't want to hear because

439
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,479
Speaker 1: they wanted to be one side or the other. They

440
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 1: wanted to be black or white. If not, and I've

441
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: said all along and I believe this, Carson missed a

442
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: lot in the offseason when he didn't get OTAs and

443
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: he didn't get a training camp. He didn't get a preseason,

444
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: and that matters. Ask any quarterback in the league, with

445
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: the rare exception of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, because

446
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: they've been playing so long, they need those reps, especially

447
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: for a new quarterback in a new system with new receivers.

448
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: He did not get that. T Y Hilton was hurt

449
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: in camp. Carson was hurt in Camp, Quit Nelson, Ryan, Kelly,

450
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: Braden Smith. That matters a lot for these guys, right,

451
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: So that matters, and I said all season, and I

452
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: do believe it. Carson Wentz will be better in year

453
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: two if he has a full training camp and a

454
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: full off season. And Frank is not wrong to say

455
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: he wants those OTAs And this is something that Frank's

456
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: been thinking about for a while. And I can promise

457
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: you the general manager agrees with them. They were really

458
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: angry that they did not get those OTAs and that

459
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: extra work this offseason. They don't necessarily need the eleven

460
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: on eleven, but they need that time with the offense

461
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: to Jael, especially with a new quarterback. All that being said,

462
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 1: there's no excuse for the quarterback to shrink the way

463
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: he did in Week seventeen. You practiced the whole week,

464
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,239
Speaker 1: you played the whole season. That's your moment and he

465
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: didn't meet it. And that's the reality. So when you're

466
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Speaker 1: the twenty five million dollar quarterback, you need to live

467
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: up to that and you're going to get more blame

468
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: when things go poorly and more praise when things go well.

469
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: With the bottom line is she needed to play better.

470
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: In that moment, He's shrunk, And as far as I'm concerned,

471
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: that's the worst parting shot that Carson Wentz could have

472
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: left colds fans and maybe his bosses as we head

473
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Speaker 1: into the off season, because until this point he had

474
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: been very solid, he had kept the interceptions down, he

475
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: had played pretty well. But in Sunday, the very glaring

476
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: reality that the passing game had diminished and disappeared over

477
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: the last month was never more obvious, and it was ugly.

478
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: And that's the last scene we saw from Carson Wentz

479
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: this season. It's a really, really bad one to end on.

480
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Speaker 1: It's a bad one to end on for this season.

481
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Speaker 1: And you mentioned Carson Wentz year two. Should Carson Wentz

482
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: get a year two in your opinion? Well, that's a

483
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: very complicated question with a lot of different tentacles that

484
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: we will dig into on our side the athletic in

485
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: the coming days, and we the reality is there's not

486
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Speaker 1: a lot of options out there, you know, barring a

487
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: miracle Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers straight which hey, I'm

488
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: all four, it's going to be difficult to find something

489
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: better out there. And I'm not naive to how poorly

490
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: he played on Sunday and then how poorly he played

491
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: down the stretch with them. Maybe the rare exception of

492
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Speaker 1: the Arizona game, but the reality is, find me a

493
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: better alternative, and I'll listen. I'm just not sure there's

494
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: going to be one out there. It's not an issue

495
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: with money. I really don't think the money is going

496
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: to be a huge problem with the Colts. We can

497
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: get into that, but the reality is they're gonna have

498
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: to dig into this very very closely over the next

499
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. They're gonna have to look at their options.

500
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to watch all the tape. They're gonna

501
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: have to think about how they can help Carson Wentz

502
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: if he does come back. And that's something that's very

503
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: true as well. The receiver depth was then the tight

504
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: end depth disappeared late in the season, and honestly, the

505
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: teams figured out how to stop the Colts. If you

506
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: stop Jonathan Taylor, you stop the Colts. That was a

507
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: problem and that some big time too. When you think

508
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: about the rest of this team, Zach and the nucleus

509
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: that's here. I think a lot of what I've heard

510
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: and I was listening to your colleague Robert May's talk

511
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: about it with Nate Tyson the Athletic Football Show this week,

512
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: and they kind of said, this doesn't totally change our

513
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: opinion of the Colts that next year. Twenty two was

514
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: always kind of the year where they thought the Colts

515
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 1: could take a leap, But to have the season end

516
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: the way it did, does that change how you feel

517
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: about this team in the long term? Does one game

518
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: really two games, I guess, affect your big picture view

519
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: of where this team is going. That's a good point,

520
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: and I agree with them. I said that all along.

521
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: I said, let me get a year with Carson and

522
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: see how he plays, and then I really think they

523
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: can take a big step the next year, because, like

524
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned, jj IF, so many pieces in place, and

525
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't care how angry the fans are right now,

526
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: they have to agree with that. You've got Arrius Leonard

527
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: and Kenny Moore into Forced Buckner on defense and some

528
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: other pieces, and you've got maybe the best young running

529
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: back in football, and Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman had

530
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: a thousand yard season. There are pieces here to like

531
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: the offensive line Jacksonville notwithstanding, however, the question was always

532
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: going to be is Carson the guy because he stepped up,

533
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: because he'd win you a game, and he did in Arizona,

534
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: and then he shrunk so stunningly the last two weeks

535
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: that everything is muddied right now in terms of their future.

536
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: And you're going to go into twenty twenty two if

537
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: you do with Carson Wentz as your starter. That's the

538
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: only question, that's the only question that matters next season

539
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: is can he can he step up? Can he rebound

540
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: from this disaster? And can he played better? And the

541
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: shame of it is they're not going to get an

542
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: answer for eight nine months, right. I mean we're sitting

543
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: here on January eleven, and we're not going to get

544
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: that answer. Nothing matters. Nothing they say in the preseason,

545
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: nothing they do in those preseason games, nothing they do

546
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: in Turney camp, None of that matter. The only thing

547
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna matter is when the games get tight and

548
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: they start to count, how the quarterback response. And that's

549
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: the reality because if this could have seasoned, it could

550
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: have finished so many different ways, with a lot of hope,

551
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: with a lot of ambition, with a lot of positivity.

552
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: It did the opposite, And now there's just questions and

553
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing they can do about it. For the next

554
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: sixth ofven eight nine months. That Zach Keifer following him

555
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: on Twitter at zee Keeper. He's a great follow We

556
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: heard some things after the game. The owner, Jim Rsey

557
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: spoke with Mike Chappell about some things there's gonna be changes, etc.

558
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: You know, you guys in your colleagues wrote about a

559
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: late night meeting after the Jackson Joe game at the

560
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: Colts Complex. You've you've known Jim Mercy for a few

561
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: years now, and you know what he normally doesn't meet

562
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: that quick was the narrative that was written about like that,

563
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: you want to try and dissect that late night meeting

564
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: with Frank Reich that he spoke of in his press conference,

565
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: that that erse was demanding and wanting answers. I would

566
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: too if I was Jim Rcy. And I think the

567
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: first question and part of my friends was what the

568
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: hell just happened? And I think that's the question on

569
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: the minds of every span of this team and a

570
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: lot of the players, to be honest, because they don't

571
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: know if they don't have an answer. But I think

572
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: it's twofold and I think, honestly, one of the questions

573
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: that was out there now it wasn't a popular one,

574
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: was these guys gonna come back, as Frank Reich and

575
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Chris Pobre gonna come back. I think it's pretty clear

576
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: that the urse is behind these guys, and I think

577
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: he wanted to meet with them Sunday night because this

578
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: couldn't wait until Monday. I think he told them and

579
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: I think he made it very clear, this is not okay, right,

580
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: this is not okay. And I watched Jimmersey walk from

581
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: the golf cart to the locker room on Sunday after

582
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: the game and then walked back, and I don't think

583
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: I've ever seen him angrier. I mean, he just had

584
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: a stone face of disbelief and also fury. I mean

585
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: he was just very upset. So, you know, I always

586
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: think of Jim Mercy as the biggest cold stand there

587
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: ever was. I imagine he was very angry as this

588
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: game melted away from his team on Sunday afternoon. I

589
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: think it was very clear that this is not a

590
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: situation where he could wait until Monday or Tuesday or

591
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: Wednesday to meet with his top lieutenants. He wanted Chris

592
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: Ballard and Frank Wreight to come back into the office

593
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: late Sunday night, and I think he made it very

594
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: clear that this is not okay. This is not okayet

595
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: to miss the playoffs with seven Pro Bowlers. It's not

596
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: okay to go down to Jacksonville and lose by fifteen

597
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: to a team that won three games. It's not okay

598
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: to get embarrassed at the line of scrimmage. Everything the

599
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: Colts are supposed to be about they were not about

600
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: on Sunday. I think that's the most glaring indictment of

601
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: where they were and how they finished. And I think

602
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: he charged Chris Ballard and Frank Wright with finding the answers.

603
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: We'll see what the change looks like, but there's no

604
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: doubt that this team could go into next season looking

605
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: exactly like it does right now. There are things that

606
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: need to be addressed. Whether it's the quarterback or not,

607
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: that remains to be seen. But I do think ride receiver,

608
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: tied end, pause rush. I could go on and on

609
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: these things need to be fixed because this team was

610
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: mean by a thread on the last game of the season.

611
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: They didn't play well and they got whooped in Jim

612
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: Ursay wanted answers from Frank Riich and Chris Ballard. Zach

613
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned those needs, and you mentioned that there is

614
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: a great core group of talent here that you have,

615
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: But there are those needs that you have. In terms

616
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: of addressing those, what's your order of priority in those

617
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: and what are the ones that are feasible to explore

618
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: via free agency or trade? What are the ones that

619
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: are going to have to be addressed When we talk

620
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: about the NFL Draft at the end of April. Yeah,

621
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: life's uneasy when you don't have a first round pick,

622
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: and obviously the top of the list is the quarterback discussion. Now,

623
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's going to be a change at

624
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback spot. It's very it's very complicated. But my

625
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: colleague Stepenholder did lay out the options and the situation

626
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: very well on our strike this morning in terms of

627
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: what the money looks like, what the outside options look like,

628
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: and what if he stays, what would need to change

629
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: moving past the quarterback position. I think it's very obvious

630
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: that the Colts might lose two of the two of

631
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: the great cults of the last decade. I think it's

632
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear that t Hy Hiltonman Jack

633
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: doy are leaning towards retirement. We'll see what they decided

634
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: to do. They're going to talk to each other. But

635
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, just my gut feeling tells me that thirteen

636
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: and eighty four not back. You know, those are maybe

637
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: not the best players on the team, but you will

638
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: have to replace their presence somehow. Those guys are leaders

639
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: and they're for real, and they make your football team better.

640
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: You need to add some depth of wide receiver. There's

641
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. It's Michael Pittman. And then it's

642
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: a bunch up. What do you got? You know, they

643
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: didn't even have another receiver climb above four hundred yards.

644
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's pathetic really, and this passing era

645
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: of NFL football, only one other team in the league

646
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: didn't have two four hundred yard receivers. Now, Pittman did

647
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: climb above above one thousand, but with a running back

648
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: like Jonathan Taylor, with defensive gunning for the run, one

649
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: should have had four thousand yards this year easy. And

650
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't is also a you know,

651
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: it's also fall of Frank Reich. So I look for

652
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: some wide receiver depth. They need a playmaker at tight end.

653
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: They haven't had one since Eric Abron in twenty eighteen.

654
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: For all of Ibron's problems, the dude scored fourteen touchdowns.

655
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: They need pass rushing help. And honestly, I think Sunday,

656
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: more than anything, was an indictment of Chris Ballard's prudence

657
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: and free agency. He's been right more often than he's

658
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: been wrong. But you needed some help at pass rusher,

659
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: and you needed some help at wide receiver. And I think,

660
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's time to open up the checkbook

661
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: and go spend some money on some difference makers, because

662
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: that was a difference late in the season. You just

663
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: didn't have enough depth, and without a first round pick,

664
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Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to add a dynamic

665
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: playmaker early in the draft. You got to start doing

666
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: something to help your quarterback. Well, you know, we're talking

667
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: about what might be different roster wise next year, but

668
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: the guy's picking the roster and the guys coaching the

669
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: roster could be different too. You know, there's some reports

670
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: out there. You know, we already knew Zach that Mattie

671
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: Berflus is gonna interview for the Jacksonville Jaguars job. There

672
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: were reports out there he will interview for the Chicago

673
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Bears head coaching job, as well as Morocco Brown and

674
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: Ed Dodds, two guys who are top lieutenants of Chris

675
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: Ballard here in Indy. What's your understanding of some of

676
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: the changes that could be happening in the front office

677
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff based on some of those guys

678
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: getting essentially promotions elsewhere around the league. Yeah, I think

679
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: that Dodds would be an enormous loss. He's had some

680
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: opportunities before he's turned them down. I know that Ed

681
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Dodds is going to be very selective in the job.

682
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: He picks based on ownership, based on the team, based

683
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: on the city. He told me one time that you

684
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: only get one of these opportunities as a GM, and

685
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: he's very content with that, and I think he's going

686
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: to pick his spots. We'll see, but I can tell

687
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: you Ed Dods He's going to interview well, and Morocco

688
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Brown's one of the writing stars and that world, and

689
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: he's going to get a job eventually, whether it's this

690
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: year or next year, He's going to get a job.

691
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: This team, the seven Pro Bowlers. It's not just Chris Ballard.

692
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: It's really not just Chris Ballard. They have a lot

693
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: of talent on the staff, and I wouldn't be stune

694
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: if Kevin Rodgers got to call this year next year,

695
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: the year after the director Pro personnel. I mean, these

696
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: guys have found some terrific talents and players and built

697
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: a very good roster, which makes the fact that they're

698
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: not playing next week all the more upsettings to Colts fans.

699
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: But the reality is, I think you need to take

700
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: a long look and not just the scouting staff, but

701
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. They had some really good breakout players

702
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: this year that were a reflection. I think Scotty Montgomery,

703
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: the running backs coach, did a tremendous job with Jonathan Taylor.

704
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: Chris Stosser had a really good year as the old

705
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: line coach. But the last couple of weeks leave a

706
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: lot to be desired. So those are gonna be things

707
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 1: they're gonna dig into. They're gonna have to really ask

708
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: some questions. I don't know if Matt Eberflist gets a job,

709
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: because I would think that these teams lean offense with

710
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: their head coach in mind. Young quarterback in Jacksonville, young

711
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in Chicago. But Matt Eberflists is one of the

712
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: most respective defensive coaches in the league. And he's a

713
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: quality dude as well, so he would make any organization

714
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: he goes to better. But this is this is something

715
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: that happens every year with this team. They have good coaches,

716
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: they have good out and they're going to get looks

717
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: at from other organizations. Zacksons were talking about, you know,

718
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: those other personalities across the organization getting attention. One of

719
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: the fun things of Hard Knocks, you know, really being

720
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: able to chronicle this season was seeing the dynamic in

721
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: so many of these meeting rooms. And I mean I

722
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: thought Scotty Montgomery was one of those, you know, kind

723
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: of breakout stars of the series that you talk about

724
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: when you got to see how dynamic he was. Brian Baker,

725
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: I thought, to me, was probably the most entertaining. Is

726
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: there someone who you saw who you watched that series

727
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: and you thought, this is my breakout guy from this

728
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: series who you thought really was the most entertaining. May

729
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: have surprise to you that kind of brought out some

730
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: personality and made things really fun to observe From your

731
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: perspective on this team. Well, to start, I want to

732
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: give a shout out to John Park, the analysts. Yeah. Yeah,

733
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: the episodes. The rape maybe the best rap I've ever

734
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: heard from a football coach. I had no idea he

735
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: had that in him. It blew me away. That was

736
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: the most stunny moment in a series that's been terrific.

737
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: I think it's been a great peak behind the scenes.

738
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: That's who these guys are, and not just as football players,

739
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: but as human beings. The Colts have a lot of

740
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: good ones, but I think this show is really encapsulated

741
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: that I'm going Brian Baker though, because we've had a

742
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: couple of conversations with him. We don't get to talk

743
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: to the position coaches quite as often as the coordinators

744
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: and the head coach. But Ryan Baker can't lie and

745
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: he can't be anything but real. He's absolutely tremendous. He

746
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: says what he thinks. He calls out his players when

747
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: they play well, he calls them out when they played poorly.

748
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: And as a reporter, I just want I just want

749
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: to know what's going on. I just want to know

750
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: the real, unvarnished truth. And he's real and he's great,

751
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: and I think he did a great job with that

752
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: defensive line this year. You could tell how much better

753
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: Quitty pay got over the course of the season. Dao

754
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: came on late. Buckner is going to be an All

755
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: Pro again. He's as real as it gets and he's

756
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: a credit to any coaching staff that he's on. Can

757
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: I give my breakout start because it's Taylor Stalworth. He

758
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: maybe had dally, he maybe had a minute total of

759
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: screen time, but every single time he was on the screen,

760
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: it was bold. He enjoys life was great. I love

761
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: that guy. Love it. Gorman could all we could all

762
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: stand to be more like that is a great point.

763
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: My favorite from the Hard Knocks episodes has been spotting

764
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: Aaron Burrill, who slides over into the cameras to get

765
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: into the shot. And every time I see him in

766
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: the break room here when he's getting his morning coffee,

767
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: I say the same thing, get out of the shot.

768
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: It's not about you. I mean, we saw Lara Overton

769
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: the other night. She ate up about ten minutes of it,

770
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: so I'll say the same thing to you. Overton. In

771
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: her defense, she didn't know she was awesome. I used

772
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: on a Hard Knock that was a pretty good communicat right.

773
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: It was great. One of my favorite episodes was was

774
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: definitely that one because I've worked with Lara so closely

775
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 1: and just watching her and Frank go back and forth

776
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: and her given signs. That was awesome. So, okay, listen,

777
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: here's what we got with Kiefer. He's got great hair,

778
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: He's a stinking professor at IU. He writes for The

779
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: Athletic inside and out of this organization and covers the NFL.

780
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: Pretty good putter. I've seen him myself up close and personal.

781
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be reading, We're gonna be following you.

782
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that are gonna be happening

783
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: with this roster that won't look the same next year. Zach.

784
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 1: I so appreciate the time and just wanted to say,

785
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: appreciate the coverage that you did this year, the fair,

786
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: the balanced, and when you ripped us, hey, it was

787
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, it was worthy of it. So I appreciate

788
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: what you do, sir. Thanks for having me guys. That

789
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. That was great. Zach Keifer

790
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: from The Athletic follow him on Twitter at ze key

791
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: for thanks again. Pal. Listen, it's uh it's it's it's done.

792
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: But we're you know, we're on the new, greener pastures.

793
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: I guess um. I don't know what exactly that means,

794
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: but JJ and Lara and I are going to find

795
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: a way to create or as I like to say, guys,

796
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: find the good in situations, find the good in situations.

797
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: Obviously severely disappointed at this year, no playoffs. We're gonna

798
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: be watching from the couch. But future is always right here.

799
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: We got people that are in leadership positions that people

800
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: are bagging right now, but not so quick, not so quick.

801
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: You know. I was talking with the scout the other day.

802
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: There all five play discussion we have. If five plays

803
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: were different, the record would be different. You know what

804
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, if if five simple plays over the course

805
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: of seventeen games. But that's uh, that's searching for excuses

806
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: and we're not here to do that. So guys, I

807
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: enjoyed what we have this year. We got to get

808
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: an offseason mode and I appreciate all the hard work

809
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: that YouTube do. Learn J J. Stankovitz, and don't forget

810
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: the more coverage you want. You go to colts dot com.

811
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: You'll see both of them there. You go to the

812
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: Colts app you'll read in here and see both of

813
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: them there too as well. So both of you, thank you.

814
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jeffrey Gorman. It is always a delight getting

815
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: to work with you, getting to sit here and do

816
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: the podcast work on game days with you. This is

817
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: my first season doing it, and man, I had a blast. Yeah,

818
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: this is fun. You slid in just perfectly into this situation. Man,

819
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: this do it. Doing this pod with you two is

820
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: the highlight of my week. Awesome, man, that's great. Don't

821
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: tell Bill Brooks now I enjoy it. Yeah, and you

822
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: get another Hey, let me give some pub on the

823
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: Coult Radio Network where you please the just give me

824
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: what you got, bro, because you are good Bill Brooks.

825
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to continue if you guys can find the

826
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: reaction pod the Bill and I did. Yeah, No, that

827
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: that was always really fun. I learned a lot from

828
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: Bill this season. Um, I'm saying that's the highlight of

829
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: my week because sometimes when I would talk to Bill

830
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: after those games, it wouldn't be the most fun because

831
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: we'd be talking about the loss to the Raiders or

832
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: the Jaguars or the Bucks in the immediate after eight

833
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: in the immediate aftermath of it not always the most fun,

834
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: but this is always fun. You got over to what

835
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: do you have? So I'm going in the offseason, you're

836
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: always are about give. We are beginning the kind of

837
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: the early workings of Emmy winning with the next pick.

838
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: We have started to shoot. We have started lining things up.

839
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: You got just win trophies over there. Yeah, I mean

840
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: that's what we've we've started doing. We immediately start planning.

841
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: We and we have been planning. We've been meeting for this,

842
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: whether there was a playoff run or not. We were

843
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: already in production mode for starting that series. So we'll

844
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: be able to look forward to that. There will be

845
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: certainly a lot to cover in this offseason, preparing for

846
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: the draft and everything that unfolds over the courses the

847
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: next few months. So we're planning on you know, going

848
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: down to the Senior Bowl in Mobile, getting back down there,

849
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: seeing our scouts do what they do so well, learning about,

850
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, their tactics and what they're doing and how

851
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: they're navigating things. Uh, currently in this offseason. So we'll

852
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: have all that coverage coming to you here soon. But

853
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: later this week we'll probably hear from Chris Ballard. So

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Speaker 1: Hats off to Dave Knickerbocker, Hats off to the radio department,

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Speaker 1: to give a shot out Derek Wolfe. There's so many

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Speaker 1: It's a hell of a department. It's the best in

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Speaker 1: like it is. It is incredible. If it's on social media,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for more importantly listening to our therapy

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Speaker 1: great you know environment that we have here after a

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Speaker 1: disappointing Colts Playoff loss. But I promise you this again,

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Speaker 1: having a big tip of the hat again to our

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Gorman in a big thanks again to our Colts

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Speaker 1: of year because we get to talk about other teams

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Speaker 1: these playoffs without our Colts in it, but still it

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Speaker 1: on one of our rivals out there in the NFL. So, folks,

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