Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hey, what's up guys?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Welcome to the Unofficial Expert Podcast with
Speaker 2: Sydney and Marie.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, my voice is done.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but do you hear mine? Does mine sound? Here?
Speaker 4: We go?
Speaker 2: This is Marie and this is ce Sydney. Okay, we
Speaker 2: almost sounded like the one the same person.
Speaker 4: I know. Well, sometimes when we talk, people can't tell
Speaker 4: the difference until one of us says something nice, and
Speaker 4: then they're like, Sidney.
Speaker 3: No, actually I've been getting really mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I've been getting They're like, yo,
Speaker 2: you hanging out with Marie way too much.
Speaker 4: I'm so proud, proud.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't even have to start me off. I
Speaker 3: start off me and I won Sydney, Sydney.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, Oh my goodness, what were you an expert in
Speaker 2: this week?
Speaker 1: Marie?
Speaker 3: This week, I was an expert at being a good friend.
Speaker 4: Okay, and that's not something that I'm usually an expert at,
Speaker 4: but I was an expert at that. Because I got
Speaker 4: on a bus for someone's birthday part. I got on
Speaker 4: a bus to DC, well from d C, but to
Speaker 4: come back to New York. But I went all the
Speaker 4: way to Washington d C. To be somebody's friend and
Speaker 4: help them celebrate their.
Speaker 2: Birthday, and that's something you would never First of all,
Speaker 2: we got a ride there. We were first we were
Speaker 2: gonna pay for a bus.
Speaker 4: Well, let's tell them the whole story. Then let's give
Speaker 4: them all of the tea. We had to go to
Speaker 4: New Jersey for this ride. So like, that's that. Like,
Speaker 4: if I'm going to New Jersey, I really like you, okay,
Speaker 4: because I don't even like I wouldn't even go to
Speaker 4: Jersey for myself. All right, somebody was like meet me
Speaker 4: to hobok and I'd be like, no, lose my number.
Speaker 5: Who's this?
Speaker 2: Can we talk about how I got no sleep that night?
Speaker 2: I got no sleep. I went to work, and then
Speaker 2: from work I went to the diner and then went
Speaker 2: to New Jersey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you went to Washington, d C. Right.
Speaker 3: I think I'm being a good friend with you as well.
Speaker 4: Uh, yeah you are, because Sydney text me at seven
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning the day we were supposed to
Speaker 4: leave and like I'm ready to call the whole thing off,
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, I'm packing now, so let
Speaker 4: me know if I need to put these shoes in
Speaker 4: or not.
Speaker 2: I called you twice, so it was like, bitch, if
Speaker 2: you're at the gym right now, I'm killing you.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: She was so mad.
Speaker 4: I was sleeping. I didn't get. I didn't get a
Speaker 4: ton of sleep that night either, But I wow, I
Speaker 4: forgot I had on an eyeliner.
Speaker 3: Anyway, my face looks crazy now.
Speaker 4: But I I packed. I like to pack it right
Speaker 4: before I leave, otherwise forget something. I mean, I always
Speaker 4: forget something anyway. But I had to go to the
Speaker 4: store and get pillows. So I'm traveling with like this
Speaker 4: giant Ikia bag with pillows in it. I look like
Speaker 4: I'm running away from home to New Jersey. So I
Speaker 4: look like I was running back home. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I we were up really early. We get there,
Speaker 4: and then the girl who were supposed to meet.
Speaker 3: Was late, right she almost didn't make the train. Listen.
Speaker 4: It was a whole weekend of watching people drink Hennessee
Speaker 4: and judging him and thinking, you know what, my life
Speaker 4: is not that bad. That was the whole weekend. I
Speaker 4: just want to go home and sleep in a real bit.
Speaker 2: Me and Marie were in an air mattress togethers and
Speaker 2: we only had one blanket, so I'm wrapped up like
Speaker 2: a burrito.
Speaker 4: Marie's literally falling off the air. Match has her butt
Speaker 4: on me the entire weekend. I was like sis, but
Speaker 4: but I had that down.
Speaker 3: I had him on though.
Speaker 4: I I was like slide down and uh. The whole
Speaker 4: weekend was like themed. She had like a night we
Speaker 4: all had to wear black, and then a brunch we
Speaker 4: had to wear nude or blush.
Speaker 3: Was too much.
Speaker 4: You were like, we're being good friends.
Speaker 2: I was like, black people, come on you, the color
Speaker 2: Coordnation all this, like the boats.
Speaker 3: Can we can we do something simple?
Speaker 1: Dinner? Dinner, maybe a movie, drinks?
Speaker 4: No, I don't want to go to a movie on
Speaker 4: my birthday? What?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Maybe a movie?
Speaker 4: Wow? Well, you can't plan my bachelorette party. Whenever I
Speaker 4: settle down.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I got that Netflix account, let's watch
Speaker 2: a movie for Marie's birthday.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what.
Speaker 4: I couldn't trust my sister to playing my bachelorette either,
Speaker 4: because she'd be like, we're gonna go to the gym
Speaker 4: and we're gonna do dlts and then you're gonna get married,
Speaker 4: your meal, prep for the wedding, and then that's it. Anyway.
Speaker 4: So that's what I was an expert in this week
Speaker 4: I was an expert at being a good friend in
Speaker 4: another state, watching people drink brown liquor just brown juice. Sid,
Speaker 4: what were you an expert at?
Speaker 3: What was that expert in?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm tapped out of expertises because I'm just going
Speaker 2: through too much, Like.
Speaker 3: That whole DC trip, that back to back Miami DC.
Speaker 2: My account is like, where are you going and what
Speaker 2: are you doing with yourself?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We did.
Speaker 4: We did just get back from Miami and I was
Speaker 4: in Montreal right before that. I mean, I ain't spend
Speaker 4: any money there, but like I was there.
Speaker 2: I'm an expert in not spending my money wisely at all.
Speaker 2: We were using so many ubers like Uber hit me up, like, Sis,
Speaker 2: you can't take the bus, SI.
Speaker 3: Here's a metric card. We enclosed it in this envelope.
Speaker 3: Please use this sis, you know.
Speaker 4: And we were with the girls that we were partying
Speaker 4: with this weekend. They just kept saying the word cis
Speaker 4: over again, like Sis, you good cis. So we just
Speaker 4: were adapting it for this podcast. You know what?
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, I feel like what was I an
Speaker 2: expert in? I was an expert in taking photos with
Speaker 2: your black ass. Oh yes, you were very good at
Speaker 2: that because you came with your abs ready and I said,
Speaker 2: our abs are looking outstanding.
Speaker 3: Someone was like, I don't.
Speaker 1: See your abs.
Speaker 4: Cis said, where are yours? Did you leave them back
Speaker 4: in New York?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on that megabus, the mega bus going
Speaker 2: back to.
Speaker 3: Did you leave your abs at the Chick fil A
Speaker 3: rest stop?
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm always here for if my friend is shining,
Speaker 2: I'm shining too, So I just do I play my part.
Speaker 2: I do my one move, I do that one faith
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Here, I've arrived.
Speaker 2: We got like three hundred and fifty likes on Facebook, like.
Speaker 4: That's some light, you know, some little that's all.
Speaker 2: That one picture we had back from from Miami was
Speaker 2: like six hundred likes.
Speaker 1: I said, damn, yeah, Well.
Speaker 4: You know what it is is people don't really my
Speaker 4: body in New York, so they think that I in fact,
Speaker 4: I actually don't know what people think about my body.
Speaker 4: But I also don't care. I know that when I
Speaker 4: need to bring it out, it's always on time.
Speaker 2: Yes it is okay, And then like Sidney, we already
Speaker 2: see yoho ass all the time be but ass naked.
Speaker 3: We don't care.
Speaker 4: They're like, Sinna, you missed a spot on your ass cheek.
Speaker 3: I stay with an ass.
Speaker 4: She throw some cream on that.
Speaker 3: I had my kid my kitten wedges eat Yo, Sidney.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what I feel like, that's the perfect
Speaker 4: place to bring this guest in because a kitten wedge
Speaker 4: is something that this person I believe would never wear. Okay,
Speaker 4: but we'll ask her when we introduce her our guest, Sidney,
Speaker 4: do you want to introduce her?
Speaker 3: Yes, she's a great friend of ours.
Speaker 2: She's been on our Walmart show many of times, actually
Speaker 2: the first show we actually did.
Speaker 3: She's a stand up comedian. Yes, she does voiceover work.
Speaker 2: She has frequent file flyer miles right, she don't take
Speaker 2: the megabus. Yeah, she's stay on a plane. She was
Speaker 2: a host Advice News, give it up for Michelle Just
Speaker 2: she's our model expert.
Speaker 5: Timshell, Hello, ladies, thanks for the intro.
Speaker 1: But I've never been a host of vers News.
Speaker 4: Vice But yeah, yeah, yeah, just see. I knew it
Speaker 4: wasn't but like I didn't want to. I didn't want
Speaker 4: to step on my partner's toes.
Speaker 1: But no, that's okay.
Speaker 3: That's why you're here to correct my black ass. I'm
Speaker 3: fine with that.
Speaker 4: Michelle, how are you doing? First of all, let's talk
Speaker 4: about what Michelle looks like. She has on a head wrap.
Speaker 4: But it's like very very experts expertly rapped if I
Speaker 4: try to.
Speaker 1: Do that about the head wrap.
Speaker 5: So it's all about the fabric really, because I'm always
Speaker 5: getting asked like, oh, how did you do a head wrap?
Speaker 5: And it is this is no, there's nothing expertise about
Speaker 5: this other.
Speaker 1: Than the fabric.
Speaker 3: It's kind of fair is that it's just some cotton.
Speaker 1: But it's just like you know, it's just like the
Speaker 1: right kind of start. She's stiff so.
Speaker 5: And linen vibes and then it will stay in. How
Speaker 5: much you pay for that, Michelle? Does it?
Speaker 4: Cindy, you were wrapping your hair for a while. What
Speaker 4: happened with that?
Speaker 1: You have to real regal you know how much that
Speaker 1: rap was?
Speaker 2: That rap was thirty five dollars thirty five So it's
Speaker 2: not an everyday rap.
Speaker 1: It's like special occasion.
Speaker 4: It's just for a wedding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to get us.
Speaker 2: I don't want to sweat it out with my like,
Speaker 2: uh train sweat thirty.
Speaker 1: I mean you could probably like whatsh it and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to wear it out. Thank you, Michelle.
Speaker 3: You got a butterfly wing.
Speaker 2: Listen, if you wash it then it fades and I
Speaker 2: hate a faded ass wrap.
Speaker 3: I hate that.
Speaker 1: I like the color to be deep. Do you hate
Speaker 1: it more than clean? Do you you rather be?
Speaker 3: You rather be vibrantly dirty? Michelle? I don't know if
Speaker 3: you a gift or you are hosting with Marie's.
Speaker 4: Well, see, Michelle is also a comic, so she's she's here.
Speaker 4: You know she's here.
Speaker 3: She's a black woman. She's gonna come, She's gonna come.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 3: Right, Michelle.
Speaker 4: Also, Michelle's eyebrows are on points. Do you draw those in?
Speaker 4: Is that natural?
Speaker 1: Goddamn obsessed with my eyebrows.
Speaker 5: I won't wear like no makeup or no none that
Speaker 5: I'm I will spend five minutes just feeling them.
Speaker 3: In perfectly, so you only feel in your eyebrows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it and leave the rest.
Speaker 1: I got this massive you know, look at this forehead
Speaker 1: just like head is great, it's very modelish, like bouncing before.
Speaker 3: It has given me like model realness for.
Speaker 5: Man, So I feel like, I need a brow in
Speaker 5: between the otherwise I would look.
Speaker 2: Like some sort of you know, so wait, well your
Speaker 2: face is there standing there.
Speaker 3: All you have to worry about is your brows. You know,
Speaker 3: have the privilege of that.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Listen to you.
Speaker 4: I have a contour and that's some ore on this.
Speaker 1: She's like, but look at your face.
Speaker 5: I've just been sitting here watching you girls and cook,
Speaker 5: trying not to be a pervert, but basically I was
Speaker 5: just like, what a great sight.
Speaker 4: For me, these bums. Look at those bum bum.
Speaker 1: Well that's why.
Speaker 2: That's how I first met you, Michelle. I was trying
Speaker 2: to pick you up and don't open my head.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm so bored of you saying this, Like, do
Speaker 5: you know how insulting it is? Said you bought a
Speaker 5: burger for yourself and shared.
Speaker 1: It with me. I bought you drinks And she's like,
Speaker 1: and then you didn't want to hit this.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: You see, and you shared it with me.
Speaker 4: That's still like my wines and I died and you
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 3: That's how lesbians wanted to die?
Speaker 6: Did you for seven whole minutes and you still didn't
Speaker 6: want to come home with me?
Speaker 5: I'm like, you bought a burger and I went homes
Speaker 5: with you and you're still salty about it?
Speaker 3: Would you would you have gone home with Sydney?
Speaker 1: No? I love her, I really like her.
Speaker 3: She like you as a friend, girl, I'm a buddy.
Speaker 1: Hold On, hold on.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine the drama that would be happening in
Speaker 5: the comedy world if first girls were sleeping with each other.
Speaker 3: Well, people already think that me and Sydney are sleeping together.
Speaker 4: They think that I'm her girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Only on an area. That's why yesterday, that's what they said.
Speaker 2: They were like, well, Maria and Sidney are sleeping and
Speaker 2: sleeping in the bed together, and Marie was like as friends,
Speaker 2: as friends, like Maria, they said, Maria and saying you're
Speaker 2: sleeping together.
Speaker 4: I was like, only as friends and it was like wow, wow.
Speaker 3: I said, you couldn't let them, you know, dream and
Speaker 3: have fantasies.
Speaker 4: And I'm not here to help you fantasize. I'm here
Speaker 4: to make you cry a little bit. So Michelle, you're
Speaker 4: obviously English, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you want to know about it? I'm
Speaker 1: from London from do you love?
Speaker 4: Do you feel like people in London are like better
Speaker 4: than people here.
Speaker 1: Yes, are you serious about that? Look at my face?
Speaker 4: Look at them.
Speaker 3: Don't even argue.
Speaker 5: I mean no, it's it's exactly the same, to be honest.
Speaker 5: I've been living there.
Speaker 1: For a long time. So I'm not like one of
Speaker 1: those British people that are.
Speaker 5: Like Americans kind of stupid, which is a lot of
Speaker 5: people say behind your back.
Speaker 4: They say that to our faces too, But I'm not
Speaker 4: worried about it.
Speaker 5: But I'm not one of those people. I love this country.
Speaker 5: I just got my green cards, so celebration to me.
Speaker 5: Give it a America.
Speaker 3: What's the green card process?
Speaker 4: Like they give you like a test of like like
Speaker 4: the presidents and stuff.
Speaker 1: Is well there, that's a citizenship thing. It's a pretty
Speaker 1: brutal process.
Speaker 5: And I would have like my process took ages because
Speaker 5: I got trumped.
Speaker 1: Man. I got yeah, my first world privilege.
Speaker 5: I was just like watching everyone's you know, I was
Speaker 5: watching the news and thinking, God.
Speaker 1: Isn't this going to be terrible for everyone? Their visas
Speaker 1: are going to take ages. Now It's like I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that you as well?
Speaker 2: Me me too, me too, so yeah, so yeah, it
Speaker 2: was I thought that was just with the Muzzlim band.
Speaker 3: But it's everything.
Speaker 5: Well, can you imagine how many people have like applied
Speaker 5: to get green cards once they realized that it was
Speaker 5: going to be a little bit tricky. So people like me,
Speaker 5: you'd been there for years on visas, you know, all
Speaker 5: of a sudden go oh, we should probably get a
Speaker 5: green card.
Speaker 1: Now, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like that's probably the time. But anyway, I love the
Speaker 5: United States. I love I love where I'm from as
Speaker 5: well in my London and I lived in New York
Speaker 5: for years and people doways in New Yorker now and
Speaker 5: I think that's such firsty behavior in it.
Speaker 1: I'm from a good city. It's fine. I'll just be
Speaker 1: a Londoner who lives in New York.
Speaker 4: She doesn't want to be a parent, so you don't
Speaker 4: sound like a New York Yeah, it's super polate. When
Speaker 4: you are rude to people are thanks, you throw shade
Speaker 4: and it's like, wow, Queen, there's been things that I'm
Speaker 4: actually today.
Speaker 1: Michelle.
Speaker 2: Did you start modeling in the UK or in the
Speaker 2: United States?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I start I started modeling in England, but I
Speaker 5: was still bartending. I didn't make any money in the UK.
Speaker 5: Basically I was like, I was modeling, but I wasn't,
Speaker 5: you know, I was just doing like a lot of
Speaker 5: free sort of magazine stuff, like a lot of editorials
Speaker 5: in the In modeling, you don't get paid for a
Speaker 5: lot of people don't know that. So you go to
Speaker 5: somewhere like England or You'rerope, you know, Milan or Paris.
Speaker 5: You're trying to get some good pictures there because somewhere
Speaker 5: like New York is a money city and they don't
Speaker 5: really care about you know, like it's not all about
Speaker 5: the sort of artistic creative process and it's more about advertising.
Speaker 1: So you go.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I started there. I was doing that, but
Speaker 5: I was bartending as well.
Speaker 3: How much was your first check, first medal check, my
Speaker 3: first model?
Speaker 5: Oh please let me break down the modeling. So my
Speaker 5: first check was actually twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: But what what what?
Speaker 5: But it is okay, the modeling industry is like a pyramid.
Speaker 5: There's only really a few girls that could genuinely actually
Speaker 5: live off modeling.
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because my.
Speaker 5: Foot, you incur so much debt before you make any money.
Speaker 5: So things like your portfolio and pictures and sending your
Speaker 5: stuff out Even now, you know, we've got the Internet
Speaker 5: and used as a model, you still get charged every
Speaker 5: time an agent posts your picture to a client with
Speaker 5: possible potential work.
Speaker 1: Wait, you have what you you're self.
Speaker 5: Employed as a model, right, You're self employed and this
Speaker 5: agency represent you, and that means that the girl incurs
Speaker 5: every expense under the sun. Now, the reason why I
Speaker 5: wanted to get a Green Cartier is because I'd modeled
Speaker 5: all these years in America, and fifty percent of all
Speaker 5: my earnings is taken by the agency people. I don't
Speaker 5: fifty percent if you're if you're foreign, So that means
Speaker 5: that's like thirty percent taxes, twenty percent agency commission, that's
Speaker 5: off the So that's fifty percent off the bat. And
Speaker 5: then you've got all the expenses. So let's say you
Speaker 5: do a job for ten thousand dollars. Huh, Right, but
Speaker 5: you've been modeling maybe four months before that, living in
Speaker 5: New York. You haven't got any money. You're like seventeen
Speaker 5: or whatever. An average model starts at like fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're a kid and you're just living out here.
Speaker 5: You're not realizing your your expenses are becoming massive. By
Speaker 5: the time you get that let's say a ten grand check,
Speaker 5: it's probably like what it's going to be five and
Speaker 5: then take out your expenses, you're probably gonna have about
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty dollars. I'm not joking, man, industry
Speaker 5: is a bump.
Speaker 1: And I love it.
Speaker 5: Now. When people are like, here's your agency Instagram, I'm like, yeah, bitch,
Speaker 5: I hope it is.
Speaker 1: You're probably making a.
Speaker 5: Lot more money than an average model, Like am Burrows
Speaker 5: makes a lot more money than Carly klos Well.
Speaker 2: Amber Row's because she has like ambassadors, she has brands.
Speaker 5: She's Carlie also off modeling, just off her image.
Speaker 4: No one knew, right, But Harley also is like you know,
Speaker 4: she's like the face of a bunch of different brands. Also, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know she's been doing it since she was like
Speaker 4: fourteen thirteen.
Speaker 2: Ye but she can't work though she can't work on
Speaker 2: Instagram long I only can't.
Speaker 1: But no one would know. And some like is a
Speaker 1: model tworking?
Speaker 4: Didn't somebody get a small is having a seizure, that's
Speaker 4: what it looks like. That's wow. So now that you
Speaker 4: got this green card, like you're losing that money.
Speaker 5: I'm in my mid thirties, man, I'm scraping a barrel
Speaker 5: at youth. At this point, I'm not trying to like
Speaker 5: be like what these are the kind of.
Speaker 1: Modeling jobs I do now?
Speaker 5: Like I still do some like JC Pennies, like the
Speaker 5: old target jobs, some undercovered stuff.
Speaker 2: But I said, don't be listen, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: the target or JC Penny.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong the money. The money is coming.
Speaker 1: I work with I work with J. C.
Speaker 5: Pennies for like fifteen years. Man, I love him, but
Speaker 5: you know, she goes, she get older us. Let's a
Speaker 5: young girls game. I don't actually think if you're not
Speaker 5: at the top of your modeling game, you're not actually
Speaker 5: going to make that much money. At this point, I
Speaker 5: make the same money doing other you know, other things
Speaker 5: that I like more like you know, hosting or interviewing
Speaker 5: people or yeah it's wild.
Speaker 4: Wait, so what made you decide to get into modeling.
Speaker 1: People were like, you're pretty please.
Speaker 5: I came from a broadcast family and half of them
Speaker 5: are on crack, that's what.
Speaker 1: And then someone was like, would you like to go
Speaker 1: to New York?
Speaker 5: And I was literally pulling pants in a pub and
Speaker 5: someone's like, would you like to go to New York
Speaker 5: and model You're like, yeah, fucking let's do this immediately.
Speaker 4: Do you know You weren't like I'm about to get
Speaker 4: to You didn't think this is the beginning of taking.
Speaker 3: You were like, yeah, yeah, let's just go to New York.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, let's just do it. You know, people were.
Speaker 2: Doing that more in their time, like around that time,
Speaker 2: was that fifteen years ago?
Speaker 3: Yeah, were just getting shipped to New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah exactly. So let's say I moved.
Speaker 5: Here in January two thousand and one, so that just
Speaker 5: before September millmuth and stuff. And when I came out,
Speaker 5: I was bartending and I was with an agency in London,
Speaker 5: but I didn't make any money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And so an agent came through via my agency. I
Speaker 5: was with Storm in London, and they were like, would
Speaker 5: you we would like to put you on a contract,
Speaker 5: which means we're gonna put your us.
Speaker 1: In debt before you even make any money. And you're like,
Speaker 1: I've got free holiday because you're young and dumb on
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And so yeah, I came out here.
Speaker 5: It was only meant to be for two weeks and
Speaker 5: then I literally I made twelve grand doing some polies
Speaker 5: catalog in Texas.
Speaker 1: I went back home and gave my.
Speaker 5: Mom after my I thought I was I was like,
Speaker 5: twelve thousand dollar.
Speaker 1: I can have meat in my sandwich every day for
Speaker 1: as long as I live.
Speaker 2: That was how your expectations were you getting in the
Speaker 2: play Wow, when you're young, like, what is money in it?
Speaker 1: Money is like not, we don't look that's what having
Speaker 1: money is.
Speaker 5: Money is not like having it could be one thousand
Speaker 5: dollars or it could be ten thousand dollars. When you're young,
Speaker 5: it doesn't really make any difference because what are you want?
Speaker 5: You're like, I want to bust some weed and then
Speaker 5: I going to get a taxi through the McDonald's drive
Speaker 5: through because I'm okay.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you when I when I first made
Speaker 2: a ton of money, like I made I don't know,
Speaker 2: like twelve hundred dollars in one night. Tell me about
Speaker 2: this bitch went to Steve Madden, went bawling out. I said,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get five pairs of Steve Madden's Like, you got.
Speaker 4: Twel hundred dollars is more than five pairs. I feel
Speaker 4: like Steve Madden shooes though, Yeah, but I know right,
Speaker 4: but it's like like one hundred and fifty dollars four
Speaker 4: pair of shoes of Steve Madden.
Speaker 2: Oh girl, I was like in the sale area. I
Speaker 2: was like, listen, I'm gonna ball out here in the
Speaker 2: sale rat.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's ten.
Speaker 1: Was the time where you was like I need Steve.
Speaker 3: Snow But I'm like, I love Steve Maddon And.
Speaker 4: You're saying you love or you love because I'm not
Speaker 4: hearing the chance to choose it right now.
Speaker 6: You say, did you hear me trying to? Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 6: well then of course. And you're like, I love Steve.
Speaker 6: I'm special place she.
Speaker 3: Spent dollars and Steve Madden left whenever, my you just
Speaker 3: want me in your in your sandwiche.
Speaker 1: It can be a sandwich, it can be that meet.
Speaker 1: That was then. That was then me and your Steve
Speaker 1: Madden stand.
Speaker 3: Steve Madden clutch too. That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Wait, so you get this money and then after that,
Speaker 4: when do you get your next job?
Speaker 1: Straight away? Straight away?
Speaker 5: I worked pretty much consistently, so yeah, I was quite
Speaker 5: lucky like that.
Speaker 1: I never went longer than a month without working.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I told you Michelle five turn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the average height of mat We're probably about
Speaker 2: five ten.
Speaker 3: And that's how you got to start off.
Speaker 1: You got Okay, Well, the.
Speaker 5: Industry has changed since when I was doing it, because
Speaker 5: now what they look for for girls is Instagram followers
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. All of that kind of goes in.
Speaker 5: So let's say you have a following. I'll tell you
Speaker 5: a perfect example. That beautiful girl, the Golden Barbie. Do
Speaker 5: you know she's yes, yes, Now she was a great
Speaker 5: example of a girl.
Speaker 1: We made the most of what she was already doing.
Speaker 5: But if she had just started modeling when I started,
Speaker 5: she wouldn't. She wouldn't have modeled longer than a day
Speaker 5: because it's like, you're not tall enough.
Speaker 1: Even though she's stunning.
Speaker 5: Yeah she's beautiful, but she's like super commercial and not
Speaker 5: tall enough.
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like before she really truly popped, I
Speaker 4: used to see her on like the for Every twenty
Speaker 4: one website. Yeah, exactly, That's where I would see her,
Speaker 4: like modeling bathing suits.
Speaker 1: I pad I saw her indelius. Yeah, you have no idea, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you probably did.
Speaker 5: But and then what she done was she had such
Speaker 5: a huge following herself of this Golden Barbie thing, which
Speaker 5: there was a time but that kind of thing would
Speaker 5: have been a bit frowned.
Speaker 1: Upon, you know, like but just seen as a bit tacky.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think once the Kardashians were on the cover
Speaker 5: of Rogue, it was like, it.
Speaker 1: Gives a fuck, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And someone like her should absolutely be a big model
Speaker 5: because she's generated her own following, where your average girl
Speaker 5: is just a black canvas. But I think that changed things,
Speaker 5: so now you don't necessarily have to be five tens.
Speaker 4: Well, how tall she do? We know?
Speaker 1: I think she's like five six no way, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's fine. I'm right around I mean I'm five four,
Speaker 3: but I'm like right around five six.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 2: But she does like a lot of fitness stuff, Like
Speaker 2: she's in a lot of bathing suits.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like she does.
Speaker 3: She doesn't do high end.
Speaker 5: I would say no, but I'd say she kind of
Speaker 5: does now. And she's sort of she's a celebrity in
Speaker 5: her own right, you know what I mean. So let's
Speaker 5: say the cusp between someone like Carli Klass and like
Speaker 5: an Amber Rose, it's that kind.
Speaker 4: Of you know, she's between the two of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of done a good job. So I
Speaker 1: just think that now the industry's changed.
Speaker 5: So my days of that kind of modeling where you'd
Speaker 5: get insane money for absolutely no reason other than you
Speaker 5: did a great show season, I reckon that's done.
Speaker 1: I reckon them days are over. I think that ship
Speaker 1: has saved.
Speaker 3: Has sale?
Speaker 5: How much of people getting Now, well, all right, you
Speaker 5: want me to give you some prices? Yes, okay, So do.
Speaker 1: An American Vogue.
Speaker 5: You'll probably get about seventy five dollars to feature.
Speaker 1: In American Vogue dollary.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like to do to be in American Vogue, you're
Speaker 5: going to get about two hundred and fifty dollars max.
Speaker 5: Because it's your pleasure to be working for American Vogue.
Speaker 1: That's good for you. That's how it's seen American Vogue.
Speaker 5: That's not advertising, that's just them using you for a
Speaker 5: photo spread.
Speaker 4: So they're using you to sell magazines.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the photographer's you to do a photo story,
Speaker 5: you're not going to get paid much money. So to
Speaker 5: do Oprah magazine that I always do Oprah Magazine every
Speaker 5: bloody year for some Christmas something, or like some.
Speaker 3: Magazine don't do.
Speaker 1: Because I love them.
Speaker 5: And what I love them as well is because they
Speaker 5: pay seven hundred dollars to do just the day's picture,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, and then you get the picture and.
Speaker 1: Probably can't use it anyway. But whatever.
Speaker 5: My point is is that because magazine like Oprah is
Speaker 5: not really going to help your career fashion wise, they
Speaker 5: pay you more money, and magazines are going to help
Speaker 5: your career like V magazine or.
Speaker 1: W They're not paying you any money to go.
Speaker 3: More money.
Speaker 4: What about eating? Where they feeding you?
Speaker 5: I mean they're feeding you, really, but you don't just
Speaker 5: be eating on a It depends.
Speaker 4: On like a piece of kale and like a.
Speaker 5: Dry loads of catering. But the longer you spend around that,
Speaker 5: the more you will feel the watchful eyes of judgment
Speaker 5: on you. So you want to be passing that catering
Speaker 5: table just in transit, just swiftly.
Speaker 4: That's why you gotta be That's why you got to
Speaker 4: be a king magazine man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or you gotta be thick you can.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna eat all these brothers.
Speaker 3: I want all the craft services of having craft service,
Speaker 3: I want.
Speaker 4: Cheese.
Speaker 5: It's one of the saddest times of my early career
Speaker 5: was doing Zacci Show and you get to do it
Speaker 5: at like Donna Tayler's aware, Genie Vazarci's old house, or
Speaker 5: in Milan, like they have it in the space and
Speaker 5: the catering is off the fucking chain and you can't
Speaker 5: touch it because then fucking gay bitches will be looking
Speaker 5: at you.
Speaker 1: Like why are you eating that?
Speaker 5: And it is the most brutal thing because you're just
Speaker 5: looking at it and you can't. You can eat enough
Speaker 5: so you don't faint, but you can't eat an so
Speaker 5: you're having a good time.
Speaker 1: Okay, So then that's a good point.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask and like a lot of
Speaker 2: models have eating disorders. Did you have to deal with that?
Speaker 2: Did you know a lot of people who went through that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is I mean, I've never had that.
Speaker 1: But I'm naturally slim, and I think, look at.
Speaker 3: That, come through, come through, naturally swim, come through.
Speaker 1: But I'm naturally slim, and it's true.
Speaker 5: And also I grew up in a West Indian area,
Speaker 5: so I was never I was always shamed about how
Speaker 5: skinny I was, and I always thought I was skinnier
Speaker 5: than I was actually, you know what I mean. Sometimes
Speaker 5: I'd go away and come back and they'd be like, so,
Speaker 5: who's a little bit fat, but like they're trying to, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, make it, make it you like me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't notice because, yeah, I just come from
Speaker 5: an area where it was like not you want to
Speaker 5: be bigger.
Speaker 1: I wasn't as conscious of it as other girls.
Speaker 5: Also, I never really I've never been some money lately,
Speaker 5: you know, when I hit my foot is a fluctuated
Speaker 5: a bit more.
Speaker 1: But when I was young.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're still saying like, yeah, you are very much.
Speaker 1: You look like a map. But I do think that.
Speaker 1: So this is what I think. If you have a
Speaker 1: food issue, modeling will bring it out even more.
Speaker 5: But if you haven't got one to begin with, you
Speaker 5: probably will just stay like that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: if it's not in you, If you have any kind
Speaker 5: of sort of any weird things with food, the fashion.
Speaker 1: Industry will put a magnifying glass.
Speaker 2: Why do they do that though, Like they are so
Speaker 2: picky about and you could put the thing is you
Speaker 2: can airbrush every fucking thing now, yeah, every giving about
Speaker 2: giving me a whole.
Speaker 5: But it's also it's a bit like being an athlete, man.
Speaker 5: So I just think if you don't like it, don't
Speaker 5: be a model then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know where there's a lot of money.
Speaker 4: But you know what, when I was temping last year
Speaker 4: and the year before that, one of the basons I
Speaker 4: got to temp was at IMG Models, right, and I
Speaker 4: was one of the agents assistant, and I would just
Speaker 4: go through. I was it was my job to put
Speaker 4: the girls dates in their calendars. So I looked through
Speaker 4: to see how much money everybody was making. And some
Speaker 4: of them, we're making a lot of money, like twenty
Speaker 4: thousand dollars a day. But I'm looking at people's book
Speaker 4: like people who are like victorious Secret Angels, and like
Speaker 4: people who you know, not necessarily Instagram models, but people
Speaker 4: who actually like walk Runaways regularly and Karli Klaus and
Speaker 4: all these people. So I would look to see how
Speaker 4: much money they made, because you know, I like to
Speaker 4: invoke pain on myself and I like feeling poor. Because
Speaker 4: I was like thirty thousand dollars for this day of
Speaker 4: work in Camp Coon or wherever the hell they were staying,
Speaker 4: and the girls would come in. I was there the
Speaker 4: week before fashion Week and the girls came in and
Speaker 4: it's all like legit, like fourteen fifteen year old girls
Speaker 4: coming in and they're like super skinny, they're super young.
Speaker 4: The agents are like talking about, okay, well make sure
Speaker 4: you only take stairs this week, no taxis, take the
Speaker 4: train like they want you to like eat, like work
Speaker 4: off your quote unquote fat. And then when the girls
Speaker 4: would leave, they'd be like, she looked terrible, Like they
Speaker 4: were so nasty to these and their children, like they're
Speaker 4: like fourteen year olds.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree.
Speaker 5: Well, this is the thing about the underage side of
Speaker 5: it is that think about it.
Speaker 1: If if these if these.
Speaker 5: Girls, if there was a fourteen year old in a
Speaker 5: magazine with a sea through top and her boobs were big,
Speaker 5: you would identify that as some sort of child porn.
Speaker 1: Or like something that doesn't seem right.
Speaker 5: And because these girls are built like pre pubescent boys,
Speaker 5: for some reason, it's seen as fashion. Needless to say,
Speaker 5: she's a fourteen year old working a sixteen hour day,
Speaker 5: and I've seen some disgusting things happen on set.
Speaker 1: But what I'm my thing is like, if you don't
Speaker 1: like it, don't do it.
Speaker 5: And the reason why I say that not for children,
Speaker 5: because you're a child and.
Speaker 3: You can't make your parents your own sound are like, yes.
Speaker 4: You're gonna make money and be a Naomi Campbell junior
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 5: Right, But I think if people were more honest about
Speaker 5: what the fashion industry is like, and if you knew that, look,
Speaker 5: your average girl doesn't make that much money either. Me.
Speaker 5: Sometimes i'd clear one hundred grands a year or twice that,
Speaker 5: but I didn't have any money management. I think I
Speaker 5: came from a family where I got scammed for a lot.
Speaker 1: Of my money, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And I gave a lot and paid a lot of rents.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to do deal with money myself,
Speaker 5: so I was just like just yeah, literally threw it away. Now,
Speaker 5: Lucky for me, I've been able to have other jobs
Speaker 5: and careers, so I don't need to be bitter about that.
Speaker 5: But if I didn't, and if let's say I wasn't
Speaker 5: a bartender before I was a model, I'd probably be
Speaker 5: a drug addict now, to be fair. So I wish
Speaker 5: more people were honest about what the fashion industry is
Speaker 5: And if you're a pretty girl, please know that the first.
Speaker 1: Thing you don't need to do is be a model.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of annoying that when you see a
Speaker 5: beautiful girl, all of us are primed to say you
Speaker 5: should be a model, Like that's the best possible.
Speaker 4: Never had a dollar retire that to me, I would
Speaker 4: have one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: Dollars so much money, i'd be a millionaire right now.
Speaker 4: Maybe, Like well, I mean normally when people see me,
Speaker 4: that's means I'm a dancer because my body is like
Speaker 4: you're super short, staggy, but like flying, you know, your muscle,
Speaker 4: muscle muscles, thank you so management. But what that means
Speaker 4: is I ain't got no hips and my shoulders are white.
Speaker 4: There's what it means. When do you dance? I'd be
Speaker 4: like i'd be like only to get through graduate school.
Speaker 4: But yeah, people see that and that's exactly what. Oh
Speaker 4: you're a comedian, but you should just be a model.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, but you're so pretty.
Speaker 5: And basically it's this kind of attitude we have in
Speaker 5: society that if there's a woman who's attractive and beautiful,
Speaker 5: then she must use it. Why, I mean fucking patronizing
Speaker 5: really so why I would like to be It's like
Speaker 5: if you see a gorgeous girl, well maybe she could
Speaker 5: just be a gorgeous engineer or a googeous taxi driver
Speaker 5: or goog just something else.
Speaker 4: Oh, I hope she's not a gorgeous taxi driver. I
Speaker 4: hope she's something else, a gorgeous at home.
Speaker 3: I'm on the side of like, if you are beautiful,
Speaker 3: you use it like you can get. Like, there's so.
Speaker 2: Many outlets to use your beauty properly long as it's
Speaker 2: managed right. You know, there's so many people on Instagram
Speaker 2: who we don't even know who the hell they are.
Speaker 2: They're taking a train, but somebody's willing to give them
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars for their product.
Speaker 5: But it's not just going to be because you're beautiful.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to have generated your own amount of followers.
Speaker 5: So like when that's why I kind of give these
Speaker 5: girls props like Rosa Costa and all of these kind
Speaker 5: of like fit beautiful, like women of all different shapes
Speaker 5: and sizes, and like I would raw to me, I've
Speaker 5: got more time for her selling some you know, tea
Speaker 5: that makes your ship. But that's someone who's had to
Speaker 5: already be business minded about it. I think the days
Speaker 5: of just saying you are gorgeous and someone is going
Speaker 5: to want to throw money at you just to be
Speaker 5: more than attractive, you have to be a little bit
Speaker 5: more than attractive these days. And I don't think it's
Speaker 5: a bad thing, And I just think I wish more
Speaker 5: people knew that, like that day of like you know,
Speaker 5: the Naomi Campbell's and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit. Yes, that's done.
Speaker 2: But also they're changing the whole industry, like everything is
Speaker 2: body positive now.
Speaker 3: Everything they like now.
Speaker 4: I mean they still they're still are still shame you.
Speaker 2: Still, but for the most part, they want for people
Speaker 2: like Ashley Graham all day and they'll make you think,
Speaker 2: like Ashy Graham is the first.
Speaker 3: Girl to be like full figured, and it's like boo boo,
Speaker 3: I see that on a.
Speaker 2: Regular basis at the mall, Like that is not even
Speaker 2: I think that there's between Ashley Graham and people who
Speaker 2: may be weigh the same thing that she weighs. Is
Speaker 2: that her body still like goes inwhere you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's not like her stomach is hanging
Speaker 2: out further than her butt or like her you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like she's still shaped like somebody, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like her blox exactly, her something
Speaker 2: is flat, her her hip, like her waist goes in
Speaker 2: like she's not it's not the same thing. No, what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm not saying that you should just be
Speaker 2: out of shape. I'm saying it's body positive now, so
Speaker 2: that you don't have to.
Speaker 3: Be uh supersiding zero. You can be a full figured woman.
Speaker 2: You can have curves, you can have ass, you can
Speaker 2: have boobs, you can have legs and still sell that.
Speaker 3: Yes, but you know what's you know what you can't
Speaker 3: You can't not have no legs be a model.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, you can't have that.
Speaker 3: No, no, wait have you seen on Refinery twenty nine?
Speaker 4: No, I don't go there. Remember they owe me mnd
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah, child.
Speaker 2: But there was one like there was a woman who's
Speaker 2: like ball headed and she has one leg and she
Speaker 2: was like modeling stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh the black girl she got that, she got their
Speaker 4: cool Fike legs.
Speaker 3: She's like she's Nigerian Instagram.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know.
Speaker 5: The difference between that is because of social media, we
Speaker 5: all get to decide who we like. It's not the
Speaker 5: fashion industry saying you should like this representation of womanhood
Speaker 5: which is actually childhood.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's the difference. We are getting to be like, oh
Speaker 5: I love that chick. I love Ashley Graham. I love
Speaker 5: because there's been with Wilhelmina here, they've had a plus
Speaker 5: sized division forever.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's now these girls are.
Speaker 5: Generating that following for themselves, and I think that's a
Speaker 5: way more positive way to go about fashion.
Speaker 1: Or the modeling industry in itself.
Speaker 3: And another question I had, it's really serious, you do
Speaker 3: I'm like, I like, okay, I feel very sixty minutes,
Speaker 3: I feel really.
Speaker 4: Wait can we can we talk about the craziest thing
Speaker 4: that's ever happened to you as a model, Like the
Speaker 4: most embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I've seen some crazy stuff. And my
Speaker 1: favorite thing is.
Speaker 5: That I ever saw was I was backstage at Versus show,
Speaker 5: which is like another line for Vizarchi, and a model
Speaker 5: came and yanked the back of Donna Taeler Vazarci's hair,
Speaker 5: and I thought a big fight was going to block
Speaker 5: out because this is like before white chicks were wearing
Speaker 5: we even though she was clearly wearing Yeah, Donna Tailor
Speaker 5: flicks her.
Speaker 1: Head around, She's like, don't do you attach me? And
Speaker 1: then his model just laughs in her.
Speaker 5: Face, and I was like, dude, a fight is going
Speaker 5: to Brock like I was saying, He's like yeah, and
Speaker 5: no one.
Speaker 1: Cares, like world star, yeah, world.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, and then Donna Taylor's like, no, do
Speaker 5: you have a fucking touchment?
Speaker 1: And then the chick just walks out onto the runway
Speaker 1: and does my first look. It was a great moment, man,
Speaker 1: it was an amazing What tell.
Speaker 4: What does Dona Tayler's face look like up close? Because
Speaker 4: you put yourself, looks like melted butter. He looks like
Speaker 4: a corn flake.
Speaker 2: It looks like the Ghostbusters like marshmallow thing that just
Speaker 2: like it looks like when you're.
Speaker 4: Starting to make s'mores and you think the marshmallows ready,
Speaker 4: but it's still hard on the inside and it just
Speaker 4: melted on the outside.
Speaker 5: Definitely like yeah, it's honey roasted and it's money. It's
Speaker 5: been even particularly bad.
Speaker 1: It's just definitely ready, like it was in the oven.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, like, you need to turn this over.
Speaker 3: She stayed face down. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she I feel like she owns it.
Speaker 3: She don't give a damn.
Speaker 1: She know what she looked like. She gives zero fox. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she gives zero fox. Other with things I had Adulta
Speaker 1: and Gobana tried to.
Speaker 5: Refuse to pay me once because they I did like
Speaker 5: a look book for them and and they were really
Speaker 5: upsex they so I didn't look great, but they basically
Speaker 5: had a team of hairstylist who didn't know how to
Speaker 5: do my hair.
Speaker 1: It was not your makeup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they didn't have your makeup, but your light
Speaker 4: skin you are, I'm light.
Speaker 5: Like the only thing that's like official is my hair,
Speaker 5: like light Yeah, you're light skin.
Speaker 4: You're like you're like a dark white woman. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: they pay in that color.
Speaker 3: Can you speak on that?
Speaker 2: Talk about being like a mixed woman in the industry
Speaker 2: with your hair is sxsture.
Speaker 5: The hair thing, the hair thing, it was always an issue,
Speaker 5: but I'd always do my hair myself. By the end,
Speaker 5: it was such a thing that I would have to
Speaker 5: like straighten it and curl it myself and turn up
Speaker 5: with my hair done. But as far as like being
Speaker 5: light skinned, it was really weird in the in the
Speaker 5: in fact all my career only recently, like I would
Speaker 5: be the black girl that they were booking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a feeling of like, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm surely I'm not black enough.
Speaker 5: To represent you and you and well, I was the
Speaker 5: black girl for pretty much every single job I did,
Speaker 5: and that gave me a sense of like, boy, like,
Speaker 5: you know, I would like to be there to represent
Speaker 5: people that look like me. And I think it's great
Speaker 5: if and let's say a label is having a more
Speaker 5: you know, just basically a more diverse setup. But if
Speaker 5: I'm the black girl that i'm then yes.
Speaker 1: Why doing it?
Speaker 4: Michelle? The inside of my hand, my palms are darker
Speaker 4: than you.
Speaker 1: I mean too.
Speaker 4: But that's the same thing with Misty Copeland, the ballerina,
Speaker 4: the black chick. They were, like she said, when she
Speaker 4: started to do ballet, they never had shoes in her
Speaker 4: color because you know, the ballerinas wear the shoes that
Speaker 4: matted their skin tone. She's your complexion, and it's like,
Speaker 4: y'all don't have that. Y'all don't have dark beige. And
Speaker 4: he was like, no, they didn't have that. Like and
Speaker 4: there are ballerinas who are darker than her, So how
Speaker 4: do you think they fit like?
Speaker 3: They never had the make up for them. They never
Speaker 3: had they had you have to come up with your
Speaker 3: own stuff.
Speaker 1: How hard is it to just get the fucking complexion?
Speaker 3: Right, listen, Just go to.
Speaker 4: Get some get some cover girl queen collection. Just I
Speaker 4: don't even need be anything fancy, just go get it.
Speaker 4: So when I get there, I don't look after you
Speaker 4: when I come outside.
Speaker 3: Well it's like, why isn't it if if there's only
Speaker 3: one of you? Right, how come they.
Speaker 4: Don't have it least that they know you coming? Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're not a mistake. You They booked you up and
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, we want to miss mix a couple
Speaker 4: of creams together.
Speaker 5: They literally like they say they that particularly was a
Speaker 5: really hard job because they lined they had like a
Speaker 5: team of makeup artists and maybe six models and then
Speaker 5: the makeup art is like a basketball tournament while you're
Speaker 5: they have to pick and it.
Speaker 1: Was just basically like one guy dragging his heels as
Speaker 1: he walked up to me, then like I got this
Speaker 1: scale and then just trying.
Speaker 3: To like so he didn't even really want to do
Speaker 3: your face and of.
Speaker 5: Course not man, like I'm telling you, like, places like
Speaker 5: Milan and stuff are really hard, like where they're definitely
Speaker 5: designers will just be like we're booking one black girl
Speaker 5: and I will be the black girl.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like what is crazy?
Speaker 5: Things are changing a little bit, but not that much.
Speaker 5: And it's also shallow, you know, in fashion is shallow.
Speaker 5: So one season black girls will be in and the
Speaker 5: next season Asian girls will be in.
Speaker 1: But what girls are always in?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So if you're ethnic, it's always trendy, trendy thing.
Speaker 2: And then don't have what was this? Was it Mark Jacobs?
Speaker 2: He had a whole line where the girls were wearing dreads. Yeah,
Speaker 2: different colored dress. Codn't understand why everybody was so upset
Speaker 2: about it. It's like you could have got somebody who
Speaker 2: already had dreads.
Speaker 4: Well this. These fashion designers are always completely out of touch, right,
Speaker 4: Like remember when Chanel did their like line of silk
Speaker 4: sleeping caps and it was like, that's a drag, that's
Speaker 4: that's a twelve thousand dollars dug right, And Balenciaga just
Speaker 4: came out with this blue bag for like, I don't
Speaker 4: know how many, like thirty nine one hundred dollars, and
Speaker 4: it's the Ikea bag. It looks exactly like right, but
Speaker 4: it looks exactly like the bag you get for free
Speaker 4: at Ikea. And it's like, dude, really yeah, well no,
Speaker 4: and then there's a no, there's somebody else came out
Speaker 4: with Chinese slippers, like the ones that used to wear
Speaker 4: and it's like those we would wear from like mouth
Speaker 4: Dollar from like the beautiful Blacks throw in my neighborhood
Speaker 4: and they're like it's like twelve thousand dollars or something
Speaker 4: like that. They're like real soresky crystals. It's like these
Speaker 4: are Chinese slips. They always want to reinvent some ship
Speaker 4: that we that we've been had, we've been doing, like
Speaker 4: what fashion. There was some line that all the girls
Speaker 4: came down with like baby hairs, like crazy curly baby hair. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's like, dude, like it looks terrible. It was
Speaker 4: like the worst fingerwave. You just got some but they
Speaker 4: just brought all the hair from the back up and
Speaker 4: it was like, man, my baby hair is gonna do all.
Speaker 4: Like it was a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think like Tana Taylor had that and like Drea.
Speaker 2: It was a couple of people who from the from
Speaker 2: the Brown Side that was rocking it too.
Speaker 1: And I was like, did you let somebody why do
Speaker 1: that to you?
Speaker 4: You could do that yourself, like like FK Twigs baby
Speaker 4: hairs too. You definitely had a Susanne Summers do. I
Speaker 4: don't like letting white people touch my hair, like if
Speaker 4: I have it, if we're doing a show or we're
Speaker 4: doing something on camera, I'd be like. They'd be like,
Speaker 4: this is the hair dresser. I'll be like, no, I'm
Speaker 4: already done. This is how you're gonna wear it? Yes,
Speaker 4: is I'm wearing it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: You know what you should because these are the things.
Speaker 5: You kind of got to put your foot down a
Speaker 5: little bit. I'm lucky with vice.
Speaker 1: They kind of let me.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that we'reing Like a head wrap on
Speaker 5: you know, screen was a deal, and it actually is,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, let me do whatever I want. They let me
Speaker 1: have my hair out, they let me have it back.
Speaker 1: No one's ever like could you make it more tame,
Speaker 1: you know, which.
Speaker 5: Is basically what I'd get if I turn up to
Speaker 5: any sort of fashion show or anything with my hair
Speaker 5: in AFRO, I would get cast out, and mostly by
Speaker 5: black hairdressers that are just like who do you think
Speaker 5: you are?
Speaker 1: Like you, how are you going to turn up with
Speaker 1: your hair like this? And now we have to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is what your get involved? Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You better start now?
Speaker 3: What are we talking about just put it in go ahead,
Speaker 3: ahead ahead and tangled.
Speaker 4: That is so crazy to me because like even as
Speaker 4: like comics, when we do stuff, a lot of times
Speaker 4: the makeup artists doesn't know what they're doing. But when
Speaker 4: it's a black makeup artist and they don't know how
Speaker 4: to do my makeup, I'm I'm double angry, Like I'm
Speaker 4: even more upset.
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that they see the monitor,
Speaker 2: the monitors letting you know what the fuck I'm gonna
Speaker 2: look like on TV, like because sometimes the lighting in
Speaker 2: the dress room you don't know, but you see the monitor, like.
Speaker 4: I'm on camera looking like a like a dusty bag
Speaker 4: of trash and you're like, uh no, it looks fine.
Speaker 1: My concealer, my concealer's running.
Speaker 3: You're like, well, we don't, we don't know what we
Speaker 3: look like.
Speaker 4: We just shot a bunch of stuff for MTV International
Speaker 4: and saw it was like some some talking head stuff
Speaker 4: like we're like making we're doing commentary about like girl
Speaker 4: it didn't.
Speaker 3: Come out, so we're doing commentary about this stuff.
Speaker 4: And we saw like the videos after they finished editing them,
Speaker 4: and like I was like, that's that's the face that
Speaker 4: y'all gonna show and that that's the face that they
Speaker 4: gonna see. Jan like, that's it.
Speaker 1: What did it look like?
Speaker 4: It was orange yellow, It looked like I had one
Speaker 4: It looked like I had on a bunch of makeup.
Speaker 4: Mind you the whole she was like, well, it's supposed
Speaker 4: to look like you're not wearing the makeup, right, we
Speaker 4: were the only ones that looked like we had tons
Speaker 4: of cake on cake doing. Also, but like, my face
Speaker 4: is all one color, right, Like, ain't no contour. My
Speaker 4: real face is not just one color. There's like six
Speaker 4: different colors on my face. And like it just looks
Speaker 4: fat and flat and black.
Speaker 3: Well you should, I'm marine, I'm so black.
Speaker 4: That flat black own face faces.
Speaker 1: You need to like, you guys need to invest in.
Speaker 1: I brought my own stuff, and I brought my stuff.
Speaker 2: You're like, this is not gonna work with this type
Speaker 2: of camera. Yes, it's not gonna they her makeup wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna work on Yeah, that's like you.
Speaker 4: Need to get a mad and stuff like that. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 4: there's some powder on it. Then, like anyway, so it's hard,
Speaker 4: but you did you have a hard time with your makeup? Also?
Speaker 5: Like, no, not really because my makeup was of like,
Speaker 5: but what what It's not for me, it's what that
Speaker 5: brand wants you to look like. When you guys are
Speaker 5: going on film, you are representing yourself.
Speaker 4: It's you.
Speaker 1: Black, blank canvas. So that didn't matter so much.
Speaker 5: What was annoying is when like to designers Liked and
Speaker 5: Banner like, we're not going to pay you now because
Speaker 5: we think your makeup look ship.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well that's the Magat problem.
Speaker 1: Something like that is annoying. Yeah, But for the most part,
Speaker 1: stuff like that doesn't really bother you.
Speaker 4: How did you finally How did that finally end? Did
Speaker 4: you have to like take them the court to get
Speaker 4: your Did they just get arrested for tax evasion?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well they weren't paying anybody, but I.
Speaker 1: Know they had.
Speaker 5: They said some homophobic stuff or whatever. I just complained
Speaker 5: to my agents and was like, no, you know, this
Speaker 5: is why it's the money. Yeah, And actually, if you
Speaker 5: if I'm meant to not pay for that, like if
Speaker 5: I'm meant to now pay and and sort out you
Speaker 5: lots you know, stupidness, then I'm going to they said,
Speaker 5: and calling you racist, and then I got paid.
Speaker 3: They said some homophobic stuff aren't gay. Yeah they are,
Speaker 3: but they say that.
Speaker 5: I remember they said something like they didn't think it
Speaker 5: was natural with two men had a kid or some bullshit.
Speaker 1: I don't even know that. Please don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Did you I was gonna say, did you have any
Speaker 2: problems with other models? Did you have did you ever
Speaker 2: have like a fire.
Speaker 4: Did have a reverse Naomi moment?
Speaker 1: Or did you I was quite lucky, man.
Speaker 5: I had some really good like girls who always took
Speaker 5: care of me and them friends with alec Weck, So
Speaker 5: that was friends with her.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure she went a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she could probably, And this is what I'm saying
Speaker 5: for me in my career. It was very hard for
Speaker 5: me to see someone like her. Has always been amazing
Speaker 5: with me, always gave me great advice. And when I
Speaker 5: moved back to New York a few years ago after
Speaker 5: doing stand up, I live with her and that she's
Speaker 5: always been great. But you know, when we would do
Speaker 5: a fashion show or whatever, I would probably do more
Speaker 5: commercial jobs than her. In the in the beginning of
Speaker 5: the early nughties, she would do these huge campaigns. Was
Speaker 5: an amazing model, but they wouldn't you said that much
Speaker 5: for advertising. Now they will because we know it's her,
Speaker 5: but at that time they were like, you don't represent
Speaker 5: what we were, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was kind of fun.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy because black women spend a lot of
Speaker 4: money in like just in beauty, in fashion, we spend
Speaker 4: so much money, and they're like, we'll take your money,
Speaker 4: but we don't want you to see you represented in
Speaker 4: what we're doing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they would have her and stuff that's like extra extra,
Speaker 2: like they're looking crazy. Yeah, it's like they're just gonna
Speaker 2: put a piece of they're gonna paint a yellow stripe
Speaker 2: around her forehead and that's it.
Speaker 1: You don't even saw a way to speak on her behalf.
Speaker 5: But in terms of that, like we would definitely discuss that, like,
Speaker 5: you know, but we someone like me or as she
Speaker 5: would say, right, we get we get all this beautiful
Speaker 5: pretty makeup right to emphasize your eyes in it, and
Speaker 5: they're just like, yeah, just paint a bloody green stripe
Speaker 5: down her face and be like, oh kid, that's you.
Speaker 5: I mean, how but I had I had people like
Speaker 5: that sort of a few years older than me that
Speaker 5: were really nice to me and really lovely and were
Speaker 5: really open and honest, and I never actually had that
Speaker 5: much beef with girls and more it was more photographers
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Terry Richardson, I can't stand it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: some Terry juice. I just think is I just think
Speaker 5: he's a He's a fucking dirty pervert. And I'm really
Speaker 5: happy that it's that people are talking about it now.
Speaker 5: When I when I was, you know, going to do
Speaker 5: castings for him and stuff, he would have a bunch
Speaker 5: of girls in and like the amount of my friends
Speaker 5: he's taking pictures of, you know, without their top song
Speaker 5: when they thought it was for like a private picture,
Speaker 5: and then he ended up making it public. And I
Speaker 5: just think it's a nasty bit of work. And yeah,
Speaker 5: So the first job I did, I was doing a
Speaker 5: job for Tommy hill Figure. I was doing a job
Speaker 5: for Tommy hill Figure and I'd already done on the
Speaker 5: campaign a season before, so he hadn't booked me. The client,
Speaker 5: Tommy Hilfigare booked me and so I'm doing a campaign
Speaker 5: again and.
Speaker 1: He was shooting it this year and he just had
Speaker 1: like a bunch of girls.
Speaker 5: They were all probably about sixteen, sitting in a circle
Speaker 5: in underwear playing padder cake. Now, these girls were so young,
Speaker 5: you know, like this, these girls are young, YID not
Speaker 5: understanding what the appeal is for this older man to
Speaker 5: be looking at. You know, I just don't really think
Speaker 5: that you're too young to get it. So they're doing this,
Speaker 5: probably playing up to get his attention and knowing.
Speaker 1: That he would like that.
Speaker 5: And he walked past and he was like, yeah, that's
Speaker 5: so fucking heart and I was like, that is disgusting. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's yeah, and he pretty much I think like an
Speaker 5: hour after that, I got sent home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you said out loud that I was disgusting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just didn't want to play with him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, oh, come over here, and he'd want
Speaker 5: to put his arm around me, and you know, like
Speaker 5: I'm not into those weird like sexy dad vibes.
Speaker 4: Man. Now with them.
Speaker 3: Glasses he had on about him, it's creepy.
Speaker 2: Everyone said he's very dove from American Apparel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what.
Speaker 1: They look similar as well it Yeah, oh yeah they do.
Speaker 2: And I feel like even the models for American appearl
Speaker 2: they had I was like, he touching all of them.
Speaker 4: All of the real you tubes coming outy lips right
Speaker 4: selling he's selling a bra, but your vagina in the
Speaker 4: photo girls tuck it in.
Speaker 1: Sis.
Speaker 4: Wait, what's the craziest thing that ever happened to you
Speaker 4: on the runway because you used to walk the runway right?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, Well, the craziest thing that's ever happened
Speaker 5: to me on a runway was falling. Actually, well, one
Speaker 5: time I was doing a show for Betsy Johnson in
Speaker 5: New York, and you know, she has all these animated shows,
Speaker 5: and like I slept. My friend was walking up the
Speaker 5: runway the ship called Amrah and I spent the ars
Speaker 5: and got my studied glove called.
Speaker 1: To her tires.
Speaker 4: Look, you know, and I was like excuse me.
Speaker 5: And then and then yeah, I was doing food, was
Speaker 5: doing Gucci. I did that show and I couldn't really walk.
Speaker 5: And Tom Forwards, such a nice guy, just started modeling
Speaker 5: and I had to do like a quick walk for him.
Speaker 1: But you know, at the cast in he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're booked.
Speaker 5: And then when he came to the actual show and
Speaker 5: they put me in the big gass.
Speaker 1: Hills, I was like, I.
Speaker 5: Know, you're not going to be working on anything. It
Speaker 5: was like shag pile, white carpet, and I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god. I did the rehearsal. I fell in
Speaker 5: the rehearsal, and you know, this was like a serious
Speaker 5: moment from modeling. My mother and the friends got don't worry,
Speaker 5: just keep it together, like you've already fallen, now you
Speaker 5: can't fall again.
Speaker 1: And now it's out the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I go down and a Gucci runway is like
Speaker 5: it's like a block. It's the longest run where you're
Speaker 5: ever going to walk down.
Speaker 4: Really, why is there?
Speaker 1: Because it's Gucci and everyone wants to go, so they just.
Speaker 3: Make the front row. Yeah, the more people you can
Speaker 3: fit in.
Speaker 5: And yeah, and there's all these people there and I
Speaker 5: just got halfway down the runway and I just sort
Speaker 5: of I made it a bit and I just thought, man,
Speaker 5: imagine if you fell, would.
Speaker 4: You think that it was a long enough runway? You think, right,
Speaker 4: because you had runway down and you had to come
Speaker 4: on with me.
Speaker 3: You set yourself up and failure.
Speaker 1: It was I was like, you seged yourself out.
Speaker 5: I was like a college dede sleeping with a hot girl.
Speaker 5: You can't get his erection off.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you fell and then I fell and I was.
Speaker 5: Able to take my shoes off, and like everyone clapped, like,
Speaker 5: look at her, she's walking.
Speaker 1: That's what happened.
Speaker 3: That's what happened to carrying uh the city.
Speaker 4: She felt so hard. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And actually it was not long after that came
Speaker 5: out anyway, So I'm going backstage.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, don't worry. Now you've done it again again.
Speaker 3: And now you were going right, let you know, so
Speaker 3: we saw that and they're like on the monitor.
Speaker 5: Next shoes They've like taped the like straps, so I
Speaker 5: can't just take them off, right, I'm going down the
Speaker 5: runway again. I get to the end of the runway
Speaker 5: and the Alliance start like applauding because they're like, look.
Speaker 4: At there's been she fell.
Speaker 5: And then as soon as as soon as I turned around,
Speaker 5: I fell again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't together.
Speaker 5: I was just like.
Speaker 1: It was a comedian in me.
Speaker 5: To be honestly, I just kept on thinking this is
Speaker 5: so ridiculous. I was literally a bartender. And like a
Speaker 5: month later in Milan and everyone's clapping because I walked down.
Speaker 1: Anyway. I got up, yeah, took three more.
Speaker 5: Bambi steps and then fell headfirst into a guy's lap.
Speaker 4: It was classic. But you fell into somebody's lap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man had first. Did you get fully paid for
Speaker 1: that or not?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got paid for that, and he and I got
Speaker 1: booked a get old. The next time I did this show,
Speaker 1: I was doing a cruise show and by this point.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm jinxed with Gucci. Yes, over jinked some jinx.
Speaker 5: It was a private showing. It was like Anna Winter,
Speaker 5: Andrei and Tilly and like maybe two other big introjuices
Speaker 5: or whatever. So I'm wearing these like swimming costumes. I
Speaker 5: go down thinking I'm crushing it and I didn't even
Speaker 5: fool It's a private showing.
Speaker 1: Now they can see.
Speaker 4: I thought.
Speaker 1: I come back up.
Speaker 5: My dresser like scoops the gusset of my fucking swimming costume,
Speaker 5: and she's like dampon and dampon and damp I'm like, what, dude,
Speaker 5: I'd fucking roll down this runway with basically a G
Speaker 5: string on my tampon string.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, there you go. That's my most embarrassing.
Speaker 4: On Telly. So your tampon string.
Speaker 1: You are legendary.
Speaker 3: You're a legendary, Michelle.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they all know who you are smuggling can
Speaker 1: we talk.
Speaker 4: About why Andre be wearing them the two vacovers outside
Speaker 4: and then howse shoes he wears?
Speaker 1: How shoes?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 1: He reminds me of the dude from Unbreakable Kimmi schmid it. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm just like cleaning. You're taking mad style tips from
Speaker 1: Andre on Telly.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's just you know, I'm sure he is,
Speaker 4: but it's you judging and you look like you stepped,
Speaker 4: You got caught your curtains that on the way out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he basically covered himself in glue.
Speaker 3: He looks like he sits out on side of a
Speaker 3: part and tells the kids.
Speaker 1: Come on, now, come on in now I made dinner.
Speaker 4: He looks like the type of person that like calls
Speaker 4: you from upstairs to come down to passing the remote
Speaker 4: that's right next to you.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You know how like your mom, do come inside and
Speaker 4: bring me the remote. This is awful, this remote that's
Speaker 4: raided by your hand. This remote.
Speaker 3: That's what Andre looks like.
Speaker 4: Wow, Michelle, I can't believe you survived that and didn't
Speaker 4: feel the tampon string caressing your upper thighs.
Speaker 2: Should you should have cut the string? You should have
Speaker 2: cut it, but then she wouldn't be able to get
Speaker 2: it out. That's fine, you have a TSS.
Speaker 3: I've had that before.
Speaker 4: You at TSS because you forgot to take your tire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got scoop man, you got a lot on
Speaker 1: your back, saying proud I had. Sometimes.
Speaker 3: I had just had my graduation.
Speaker 2: I was out and about, you know, with the friends,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go home yet, And I stayed out all night with
Speaker 2: the tampon.
Speaker 3: In went to a dude's house. I was hanging out
Speaker 3: with this dude. Obviously he didn't do anything with the tampon,
Speaker 3: but we were hanging out.
Speaker 4: He was like, just slot the strings to the sun.
Speaker 4: That's not so.
Speaker 2: Then the next day, I like next day, at four o'clock,
Speaker 2: because I had spent the night at my friend's house,
Speaker 2: I realized.
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, man, I think I've had this
Speaker 3: stamp on it for twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I get to the house, my face swollen. I
Speaker 2: looked like a fucking squirrel. My brother's like, what's wrong
Speaker 2: with you? I was like, I don't know, and then
Speaker 2: he touches me. He's like, yo, you're burning up. So
Speaker 2: my brother takes me to the emergency room, right, and
Speaker 2: he's like, do you know what it was? At that point,
Speaker 2: I had taken it out, but I told him at
Speaker 2: the emergency room, I think I've left my tampon in
Speaker 2: too long. So when I get in the triage, there's
Speaker 2: a woman telling me to sit down, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull it out for you, and I said no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's already out out the mid Oh He's gonna pull
Speaker 2: the tampon and I was like, no, it's not stuck.
Speaker 3: I already took it out. I think it was in
Speaker 3: there too long.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: And my brother's there.
Speaker 4: I was like, this is embarrassing. I mean embarrassing, even
Speaker 4: worse now that you're talking about on the podcast and
Speaker 4: people know that you you were dirty airs bird, Michelle,
Speaker 4: How did your TSS affect you? Happy? You woke out
Speaker 4: the wrong where you were like, I'm just never taking
Speaker 4: this out.
Speaker 1: No, it was fine.
Speaker 5: I just I think I like probably had a big
Speaker 5: night partying on zimally back in the day and woke
Speaker 5: up and was like, oh, a bit of heaviness there,
Speaker 5: and ye had just scooped that motherfucker out like a pro.
Speaker 5: It was like a you know, a string that you
Speaker 5: know some like a string that didn't that where I
Speaker 5: got the string without the tampon, But eventually.
Speaker 4: You got the string out by itself.
Speaker 5: The string came off and the tampon was left, and
Speaker 5: I just must have been fucked off my face and
Speaker 5: forgot about the situation.
Speaker 1: Was like, there's no string, I'm fine, but that didn't
Speaker 1: mean there was no tampon. But yeah, I went fishing.
Speaker 4: It was fun.
Speaker 1: Yo, that is wild. Wait, but it were fun.
Speaker 4: I feel like we need to talk to you about
Speaker 4: drugs in modeling real quick. How much drugs were you on?
Speaker 1: Not enough?
Speaker 5: To be honest, I was like, I was a big smoker,
Speaker 5: so I didn't really touch drugs until I had to
Speaker 5: pay for it myself.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, so when it was free, you were just walking
Speaker 3: by the book page.
Speaker 5: You just weren't into it, man, Because I'd sort of
Speaker 5: like that there's thought of doing coke and things like
Speaker 5: that didn't seem glamorous to me. I grew up in
Speaker 5: an area where like, if you did drugs, you're probably
Speaker 5: in sucking dick for money. Yeah, I didn't get to
Speaker 5: and so you know, I think especially like cocaine, which
Speaker 5: is what the fashion industry is running on. It's one
Speaker 5: of those drugs that if you do it then then
Speaker 5: you know that everyone else is doing it.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't doing it then, so I didn't know.
Speaker 1: And that's.
Speaker 2: That's why you are here threat, because if you would
Speaker 2: have done it while you were doing it, or you
Speaker 2: would probably look like ship now it runs you down.
Speaker 1: I had some time making up for lost time, but yeah.
Speaker 4: You were like this cocaine is too scary for me.
Speaker 5: No more drugs than that anywhere else, to be honest,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean if you go about clubbing, not
Speaker 5: actually not on the jobs, but you know, if you
Speaker 5: go out clubbing, maybe in the nineties there was loads
Speaker 5: of that kind of stuff, but if you go to clubs.
Speaker 5: Of course, you can go out to any club in
Speaker 5: New York and there's a million models drinking for free.
Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 2: No, everybody's doing it, literally everyone is, right.
Speaker 3: It really is like just working at a bar. I realized.
Speaker 3: I was like, even the interns be fucking doing drugs.
Speaker 1: It's everybody.
Speaker 2: They're like, from the manager to the CEO to all
Speaker 2: the little everybody's doing drugs.
Speaker 3: They don't I.
Speaker 4: Don't even feel cool. I've never been doing cocaine at
Speaker 4: a party and I've never had TSS. I just am
Speaker 4: a loser a.
Speaker 1: Party like, but you do it at home.
Speaker 4: I've never done cocaine in the club, club cocaine, club road, cocaine,
Speaker 4: cocaine in homes.
Speaker 3: Michelle, I don't think we should give your test.
Speaker 4: I think you can you name Can you name neither
Speaker 4: three tap models that are out right now in your opinion?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Probably Joan Smalls.
Speaker 4: She's officially number one.
Speaker 5: I'd like Jordan Done, I think she's amazing, and who
Speaker 5: else and probably like I don't know, I fucking.
Speaker 1: Hate those like her and be herd.
Speaker 4: I just hate. I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 5: You already have money, please, skinny bitches not from the
Speaker 5: same background as you make that money.
Speaker 4: Instance, So is that how you feel about the.
Speaker 3: Kendle whatever is like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really like Jordan Done and I really like them,
Speaker 1: and I really like Joan Smalls.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I used to look at her.
Speaker 3: I used to look at her calendar too when I
Speaker 3: was working at IMG.
Speaker 4: I was like, Joan, let me hold two million. I'll
Speaker 4: give it back.
Speaker 1: The number one model in the world. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that many people know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well because before her it was Tom Brady's wife
Speaker 4: for like years as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was in everything, I think, John smiles. She
Speaker 2: just as she put black women on the map for sure,
Speaker 2: back on the map.
Speaker 3: No, there was.
Speaker 1: Well, Leila Cabetti was Lily bigbec she was big when
Speaker 1: I was moderan. Yeah, she's a really nice She's Ethiopian, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's lovely.
Speaker 4: Ethiopian women are beautiful. Now, before we go, can you
Speaker 4: give somebody who's listening to this was maybe like I'm pretty,
Speaker 4: I want to be a model, because they're completely disregarding
Speaker 4: your things that you could be pretty something else. Can
Speaker 4: you give them some advice as to like maybe like
Speaker 4: a couple, like maybe three or four things that they
Speaker 4: can do that they might not be doing well.
Speaker 1: I would say, of course.
Speaker 5: The obvious things are is don't sign up to some
Speaker 5: wacky agency that you've never heard of that is asking
Speaker 5: you to put some money up up front, right, because
Speaker 5: if you.
Speaker 1: Heard what I just said, they will pay it all
Speaker 1: for you and overcharge you when you get paid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, more legitimate ages than you will do. So
Speaker 5: it shouldn't cost you any money. Be realistic?
Speaker 1: Are you five foot five and two hundred pounds?
Speaker 5: Because if you are, then the way you might want
Speaker 5: a model should be maybe off your own backers and
Speaker 5: not on your back, but you know, like via Instagram
Speaker 5: or something like that might be better to get a following.
Speaker 5: If you don't hit the normal model standards and sizes,
Speaker 5: you can still model, but I would maybe, Yeah, there's
Speaker 5: other ways to do it.
Speaker 4: Now, Okay, but now what if somebody listening to this
Speaker 4: is Haitian American queen and she about twenty seven, and
Speaker 4: she she's skinny, and she got maybe fifty seven hundred
Speaker 4: Instagram flowers?
Speaker 1: What should she do? Hm?
Speaker 5: I reckon if someone like that is probably very smart
Speaker 5: and funny and she just you know, being and as
Speaker 5: all these other things and additionally beautiful as well. Maybe just.
Speaker 4: Michelle twenty seven? Yeah, Michelle, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Wait, she said, where is the lie?
Speaker 4: Michelle?
Speaker 5: The lie?
Speaker 3: The lie is somewhere else. I'll talking about somebody listening.
Speaker 4: I wasn't even talking about anybody. So where can people
Speaker 4: find you that are listening.
Speaker 1: To this at the moment? I suppose you can find me?
Speaker 5: Like online, you can check out some of my documentaries
Speaker 5: on us and whatnot. And yeah, I'm going to be
Speaker 5: doing I'm doing some like festival, some live stream and
Speaker 5: ship Cali Roots Festival. Oh yeah, okay, a bunch of
Speaker 5: white people with dreadlocks, no doubt, and I'm off with
Speaker 5: a stick, can go with my head.
Speaker 4: Hey, queen, excuse me.
Speaker 3: Do what you can for us, Michelle, do what you can.
Speaker 1: What did you say the the day on stage that
Speaker 1: I love?
Speaker 4: Just like can't move for Dick, Oh, Dodging Dick Daily.
Speaker 1: That just sounds like a great news bulletin. Hello Marie
Speaker 1: from Dodging Dick Day.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's where I reside.
Speaker 4: I live on the corner of Dodging and Dick and
Speaker 4: I'm there every day, there, every single day. What's your
Speaker 4: social media?
Speaker 1: You can? I think why Twitter is mish this wall?
Speaker 4: Listen if you.
Speaker 3: Don't, if you don't know, if we can't help you.
Speaker 1: What about your Instagram, instagramdma, Michelle, this wall.
Speaker 5: It gives me anxiety. Man, follow me if you want.
Speaker 5: There's nothing that much exciting happening.
Speaker 3: You're on Facebook?
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't really use it, but yeah you can listen.
Speaker 4: You can catch Michelle just outside. You can catch her outside.
Speaker 3: She has a bike, so she'll be bike fickling.
Speaker 4: She'd be at the club with her bike outside, so
Speaker 4: you're cocaine in the bike tires. And you catch me
Speaker 4: and Sydney every second Saturday at Caramel Lounge at our
Speaker 4: live show that Michelle has done many minute times. You
Speaker 4: can find me on Instagram at rez r e e
Speaker 4: e z y Sydney.
Speaker 2: You can find me at just sid BW on Instagram,
Speaker 2: and you can find me on just sid NYC on Twitter.
Speaker 4: You can also find Sydney at Rainbows Gotta Go Bye by,