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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hey, what's up guys?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Welcome to the Unofficial Expert Podcast with

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Speaker 2: Sydney and Marie.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, my voice is done.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but do you hear mine? Does mine sound? Here?

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Speaker 4: We go?

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Speaker 2: This is Marie and this is ce Sydney. Okay, we

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Speaker 2: almost sounded like the one the same person.

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Speaker 4: I know. Well, sometimes when we talk, people can't tell

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Speaker 4: the difference until one of us says something nice, and

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Speaker 4: then they're like, Sidney.

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Speaker 3: No, actually I've been getting really mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I've been getting They're like, yo,

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Speaker 2: you hanging out with Marie way too much.

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Speaker 4: I'm so proud, proud.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't even have to start me off. I

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Speaker 3: start off me and I won Sydney, Sydney.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, Oh my goodness, what were you an expert in

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Speaker 2: this week?

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Speaker 1: Marie?

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Speaker 3: This week, I was an expert at being a good friend.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and that's not something that I'm usually an expert at,

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Speaker 4: but I was an expert at that. Because I got

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Speaker 4: on a bus for someone's birthday part. I got on

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Speaker 4: a bus to DC, well from d C, but to

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Speaker 4: come back to New York. But I went all the

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Speaker 4: way to Washington d C. To be somebody's friend and

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Speaker 4: help them celebrate their.

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Speaker 2: Birthday, and that's something you would never First of all,

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Speaker 2: we got a ride there. We were first we were

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Speaker 2: gonna pay for a bus.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's tell them the whole story. Then let's give

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Speaker 4: them all of the tea. We had to go to

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Speaker 4: New Jersey for this ride. So like, that's that. Like,

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Speaker 4: if I'm going to New Jersey, I really like you, okay,

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Speaker 4: because I don't even like I wouldn't even go to

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Speaker 4: Jersey for myself. All right, somebody was like meet me

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Speaker 4: to hobok and I'd be like, no, lose my number.

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Speaker 5: Who's this?

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about how I got no sleep that night?

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Speaker 2: I got no sleep. I went to work, and then

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Speaker 2: from work I went to the diner and then went

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Speaker 2: to New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you went to Washington, d C. Right.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm being a good friend with you as well.

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Speaker 4: Uh, yeah you are, because Sydney text me at seven

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Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning the day we were supposed to

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Speaker 4: leave and like I'm ready to call the whole thing off,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, well, I'm packing now, so let

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Speaker 4: me know if I need to put these shoes in

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Speaker 4: or not.

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Speaker 2: I called you twice, so it was like, bitch, if

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Speaker 2: you're at the gym right now, I'm killing you.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: She was so mad.

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Speaker 4: I was sleeping. I didn't get. I didn't get a

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Speaker 4: ton of sleep that night either, But I wow, I

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Speaker 4: forgot I had on an eyeliner.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, my face looks crazy now.

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Speaker 4: But I I packed. I like to pack it right

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Speaker 4: before I leave, otherwise forget something. I mean, I always

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Speaker 4: forget something anyway. But I had to go to the

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Speaker 4: store and get pillows. So I'm traveling with like this

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Speaker 4: giant Ikia bag with pillows in it. I look like

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Speaker 4: I'm running away from home to New Jersey. So I

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Speaker 4: look like I was running back home. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: but I we were up really early. We get there,

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Speaker 4: and then the girl who were supposed to meet.

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Speaker 3: Was late, right she almost didn't make the train. Listen.

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Speaker 4: It was a whole weekend of watching people drink Hennessee

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Speaker 4: and judging him and thinking, you know what, my life

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Speaker 4: is not that bad. That was the whole weekend. I

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Speaker 4: just want to go home and sleep in a real bit.

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Speaker 2: Me and Marie were in an air mattress togethers and

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Speaker 2: we only had one blanket, so I'm wrapped up like

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Speaker 2: a burrito.

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Speaker 4: Marie's literally falling off the air. Match has her butt

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Speaker 4: on me the entire weekend. I was like sis, but

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Speaker 4: but I had that down.

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Speaker 3: I had him on though.

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Speaker 4: I I was like slide down and uh. The whole

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Speaker 4: weekend was like themed. She had like a night we

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Speaker 4: all had to wear black, and then a brunch we

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Speaker 4: had to wear nude or blush.

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Speaker 3: Was too much.

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Speaker 4: You were like, we're being good friends.

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Speaker 2: I was like, black people, come on you, the color

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Speaker 2: Coordnation all this, like the boats.

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Speaker 3: Can we can we do something simple?

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Speaker 1: Dinner? Dinner, maybe a movie, drinks?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't want to go to a movie on

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Speaker 4: my birthday? What?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Maybe a movie?

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Speaker 4: Wow? Well, you can't plan my bachelorette party. Whenever I

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Speaker 4: settle down.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I got that Netflix account, let's watch

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Speaker 2: a movie for Marie's birthday.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't trust my sister to playing my bachelorette either,

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Speaker 4: because she'd be like, we're gonna go to the gym

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Speaker 4: and we're gonna do dlts and then you're gonna get married,

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Speaker 4: your meal, prep for the wedding, and then that's it. Anyway.

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Speaker 4: So that's what I was an expert in this week

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Speaker 4: I was an expert at being a good friend in

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Speaker 4: another state, watching people drink brown liquor just brown juice. Sid,

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Speaker 4: what were you an expert at?

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Speaker 3: What was that expert in?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm tapped out of expertises because I'm just going

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Speaker 2: through too much, Like.

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Speaker 3: That whole DC trip, that back to back Miami DC.

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Speaker 2: My account is like, where are you going and what

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Speaker 2: are you doing with yourself?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? We did.

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Speaker 4: We did just get back from Miami and I was

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Speaker 4: in Montreal right before that. I mean, I ain't spend

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Speaker 4: any money there, but like I was there.

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Speaker 2: I'm an expert in not spending my money wisely at all.

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Speaker 2: We were using so many ubers like Uber hit me up, like, Sis,

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Speaker 2: you can't take the bus, SI.

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Speaker 3: Here's a metric card. We enclosed it in this envelope.

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Speaker 3: Please use this sis, you know.

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Speaker 4: And we were with the girls that we were partying

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Speaker 4: with this weekend. They just kept saying the word cis

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Speaker 4: over again, like Sis, you good cis. So we just

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Speaker 4: were adapting it for this podcast. You know what?

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Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, I feel like what was I an

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Speaker 2: expert in? I was an expert in taking photos with

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Speaker 2: your black ass. Oh yes, you were very good at

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Speaker 2: that because you came with your abs ready and I said,

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Speaker 2: our abs are looking outstanding.

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Speaker 3: Someone was like, I don't.

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Speaker 1: See your abs.

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Speaker 4: Cis said, where are yours? Did you leave them back

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Speaker 4: in New York?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on that megabus, the mega bus going

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Speaker 3: Did you leave your abs at the Chick fil A

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Speaker 3: rest stop?

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm always here for if my friend is shining,

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Speaker 2: I'm shining too, So I just do I play my part.

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Speaker 2: I do my one move, I do that one faith

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Here, I've arrived.

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Speaker 2: We got like three hundred and fifty likes on Facebook, like.

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Speaker 4: That's some light, you know, some little that's all.

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Speaker 2: That one picture we had back from from Miami was

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Speaker 2: like six hundred likes.

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Speaker 1: I said, damn, yeah, Well.

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Speaker 4: You know what it is is people don't really my

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Speaker 4: body in New York, so they think that I in fact,

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Speaker 4: I actually don't know what people think about my body.

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Speaker 4: But I also don't care. I know that when I

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Speaker 4: need to bring it out, it's always on time.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is okay, And then like Sidney, we already

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Speaker 2: see yoho ass all the time be but ass naked.

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Speaker 3: We don't care.

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Speaker 4: They're like, Sinna, you missed a spot on your ass cheek.

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Speaker 3: I stay with an ass.

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Speaker 4: She throw some cream on that.

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Speaker 3: I had my kid my kitten wedges eat Yo, Sidney.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know what I feel like, that's the perfect

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Speaker 4: place to bring this guest in because a kitten wedge

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Speaker 4: is something that this person I believe would never wear. Okay,

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Speaker 4: but we'll ask her when we introduce her our guest, Sidney,

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Speaker 4: do you want to introduce her?

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Speaker 3: Yes, she's a great friend of ours.

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Speaker 2: She's been on our Walmart show many of times, actually

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Speaker 2: the first show we actually did.

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Speaker 3: She's a stand up comedian. Yes, she does voiceover work.

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Speaker 2: She has frequent file flyer miles right, she don't take

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Speaker 2: the megabus. Yeah, she's stay on a plane. She was

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Speaker 2: a host Advice News, give it up for Michelle Just

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Speaker 2: she's our model expert.

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Speaker 5: Timshell, Hello, ladies, thanks for the intro.

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Speaker 1: But I've never been a host of vers News.

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Speaker 4: Vice But yeah, yeah, yeah, just see. I knew it

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Speaker 4: wasn't but like I didn't want to. I didn't want

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Speaker 1: But no, that's okay.

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Speaker 3: That's why you're here to correct my black ass. I'm

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Speaker 4: Michelle, how are you doing? First of all, let's talk

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Speaker 4: about what Michelle looks like. She has on a head wrap.

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Speaker 4: But it's like very very experts expertly rapped if I

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Speaker 1: Do that about the head wrap.

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Speaker 5: So it's all about the fabric really, because I'm always

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Speaker 5: getting asked like, oh, how did you do a head wrap?

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Speaker 5: And it is this is no, there's nothing expertise about

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Speaker 5: this other.

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Speaker 1: Than the fabric.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of fair is that it's just some cotton.

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Speaker 1: But it's just like you know, it's just like the

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Speaker 1: right kind of start. She's stiff so.

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Speaker 5: And linen vibes and then it will stay in. How

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Speaker 5: much you pay for that, Michelle? Does it?

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Speaker 4: Cindy, you were wrapping your hair for a while. What

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Speaker 4: happened with that?

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Speaker 1: You have to real regal you know how much that

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Speaker 1: rap was?

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Speaker 2: That rap was thirty five dollars thirty five So it's

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Speaker 2: not an everyday rap.

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Speaker 1: It's like special occasion.

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Speaker 4: It's just for a wedding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to get us.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to sweat it out with my like,

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Speaker 2: uh train sweat thirty.

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Speaker 1: I mean you could probably like whatsh it and stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to wear it out. Thank you, Michelle.

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Speaker 3: You got a butterfly wing.

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Speaker 2: Listen, if you wash it then it fades and I

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Speaker 2: hate a faded ass wrap.

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Speaker 3: I hate that.

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Speaker 1: I like the color to be deep. Do you hate

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Speaker 1: it more than clean? Do you you rather be?

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Speaker 3: You rather be vibrantly dirty? Michelle? I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you a gift or you are hosting with Marie's.

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Speaker 4: Well, see, Michelle is also a comic, so she's she's here.

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Speaker 4: You know she's here.

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Speaker 3: She's a black woman. She's gonna come, She's gonna come.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, you're.

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Speaker 3: Right, Michelle.

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Speaker 4: Also, Michelle's eyebrows are on points. Do you draw those in?

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Speaker 1: Goddamn obsessed with my eyebrows.

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Speaker 5: I won't wear like no makeup or no none that

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Speaker 1: I got this massive you know, look at this forehead

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Speaker 5: Man, So I feel like, I need a brow in

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Speaker 2: Like some sort of you know, so wait, well your

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Speaker 3: All you have to worry about is your brows. You know,

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Listen to you.

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Speaker 4: I have a contour and that's some ore on this.

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Speaker 1: She's like, but look at your face.

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Speaker 5: I've just been sitting here watching you girls and cook,

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Speaker 4: For me, these bums. Look at those bum bum.

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Speaker 1: Well that's why.

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Speaker 2: That's how I first met you, Michelle. I was trying

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm so bored of you saying this, Like, do

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Speaker 5: you know how insulting it is? Said you bought a

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Speaker 1: It with me. I bought you drinks And she's like,

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Speaker 1: You see, and you shared it with me.

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Speaker 4: That's still like my wines and I died and you

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Speaker 3: That's how lesbians wanted to die?

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Speaker 6: Did you for seven whole minutes and you still didn't

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Speaker 5: I'm like, you bought a burger and I went homes

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Speaker 3: Would you would you have gone home with Sydney?

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Speaker 1: No? I love her, I really like her.

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Speaker 3: She like you as a friend, girl, I'm a buddy.

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Speaker 1: Hold On, hold on.

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine the drama that would be happening in

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Speaker 3: Well, people already think that me and Sydney are sleeping together.

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Speaker 4: They think that I'm her girlfriend.

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Speaker 3: Only on an area. That's why yesterday, that's what they said.

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Speaker 2: They were like, well, Maria and Sidney are sleeping and

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Speaker 4: I was like, only as friends and it was like wow, wow.

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Speaker 3: I said, you couldn't let them, you know, dream and

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Speaker 4: And I'm not here to help you fantasize. I'm here

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you want to know about it? I'm

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like people in London are like better

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Speaker 1: Yes, are you serious about that? Look at my face?

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Speaker 4: Look at them.

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Speaker 3: Don't even argue.

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Speaker 5: I mean no, it's it's exactly the same, to be honest.

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Speaker 5: I've been living there.

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Speaker 1: For a long time. So I'm not like one of

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Speaker 5: Like Americans kind of stupid, which is a lot of

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Speaker 4: They say that to our faces too, But I'm not

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Speaker 5: But I'm not one of those people. I love this country.

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Speaker 5: I just got my green cards, so celebration to me.

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Speaker 5: Give it a America.

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Speaker 3: What's the green card process?

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Speaker 4: Like they give you like a test of like like

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Speaker 1: Is well there, that's a citizenship thing. It's a pretty

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Speaker 5: And I would have like my process took ages because

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Speaker 5: I got trumped.

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Speaker 1: Man. I got yeah, my first world privilege.

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Speaker 5: I was just like watching everyone's you know, I was

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Speaker 1: Isn't this going to be terrible for everyone? Their visas

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Speaker 1: realize that you as well?

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Speaker 2: Me me too, me too, so yeah, so yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was I thought that was just with the Muzzlim band.

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Speaker 3: But it's everything.

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Speaker 5: Well, can you imagine how many people have like applied

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Speaker 5: you'd been there for years on visas, you know, all

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Speaker 1: Now, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Like that's probably the time. But anyway, I love the

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Speaker 5: United States. I love I love where I'm from as

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Speaker 5: well in my London and I lived in New York

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Speaker 5: I think that's such firsty behavior in it.

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Speaker 1: I'm from a good city. It's fine. I'll just be

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Speaker 4: She doesn't want to be a parent, so you don't

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Speaker 4: sound like a New York Yeah, it's super polate. When

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Speaker 4: and it's like, wow, Queen, there's been things that I'm

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Speaker 1: Michelle.

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Speaker 2: Did you start modeling in the UK or in the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I start I started modeling in England, but I

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Speaker 5: Basically I was like, I was modeling, but I wasn't,

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Speaker 5: you know, I was just doing like a lot of

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Speaker 5: lot of people don't know that. So you go to

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Speaker 5: You're trying to get some good pictures there because somewhere

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Speaker 5: the sort of artistic creative process and it's more about advertising.

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Speaker 1: So you go.

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, I started there. I was doing that, but

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Speaker 3: How much was your first check, first medal check, my

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Speaker 5: Oh please let me break down the modeling. So my

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Speaker 4: But what what what?

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Speaker 5: But it is okay, the modeling industry is like a pyramid.

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Speaker 5: There's only really a few girls that could genuinely actually

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Speaker 1: And the reason why is because my.

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Speaker 5: Foot, you incur so much debt before you make any money.

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Speaker 5: So things like your portfolio and pictures and sending your

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Speaker 1: Wait, you have what you you're self.

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Speaker 5: Employed as a model, right, You're self employed and this

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Speaker 5: every expense under the sun. Now, the reason why I

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Speaker 5: all these years in America, and fifty percent of all

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Speaker 5: that's like thirty percent taxes, twenty percent agency commission, that's

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Speaker 5: then you've got all the expenses. So let's say you

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Speaker 5: you've been modeling maybe four months before that, living in

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Speaker 5: New York. You haven't got any money. You're like seventeen

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're a kid and you're just living out here.

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Speaker 5: You're not realizing your your expenses are becoming massive. By

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Speaker 1: And I love it.

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Speaker 5: Now. When people are like, here's your agency Instagram, I'm like, yeah, bitch,

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Speaker 5: I hope it is.

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Speaker 1: You're probably making a.

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Speaker 5: Lot more money than an average model, Like am Burrows

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Speaker 2: Amber Row's because she has like ambassadors, she has brands.

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Speaker 5: She's Carlie also off modeling, just off her image.

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Speaker 4: No one knew, right, But Harley also is like you know,

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Speaker 2: Ye but she can't work though she can't work on

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Speaker 1: But no one would know. And some like is a

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Speaker 4: Didn't somebody get a small is having a seizure, that's

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Speaker 4: what it looks like. That's wow. So now that you

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Speaker 5: I'm in my mid thirties, man, I'm scraping a barrel

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Speaker 1: Modeling jobs I do now?

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Speaker 5: Like I still do some like JC Pennies, like the

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Speaker 2: But I said, don't be listen, there's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong the money. The money is coming.

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Speaker 5: Pennies for like fifteen years. Man, I love him, but

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Speaker 5: you know, she goes, she get older us. Let's a

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Speaker 4: Wait, so what made you decide to get into modeling.

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Speaker 1: People were like, you're pretty please.

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Speaker 5: I came from a broadcast family and half of them

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Speaker 5: And I was literally pulling pants in a pub and

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Speaker 5: someone's like, would you like to go to New York

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Speaker 4: Do you know You weren't like I'm about to get

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like, let's just do it. You know, people were.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, were just getting shipped to New York.

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Speaker 5: before September millmuth and stuff. And when I came out,

451
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Speaker 5: I was bartending and I was with an agency in London,

452
00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,600
Speaker 5: but I didn't make any money, you know what I mean.

453
00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,320
Speaker 5: And so an agent came through via my agency. I

454
00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,040
Speaker 5: was with Storm in London, and they were like, would

455
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Speaker 5: you we would like to put you on a contract,

456
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Speaker 5: which means we're gonna put your us.

457
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Speaker 1: In debt before you even make any money. And you're like,

458
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Speaker 1: I've got free holiday because you're young and dumb on

459
00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,200
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And so yeah, I came out here.

460
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Speaker 5: It was only meant to be for two weeks and

461
00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,880
Speaker 5: then I literally I made twelve grand doing some polies

462
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Speaker 5: catalog in Texas.

463
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Speaker 1: I went back home and gave my.

464
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Speaker 5: Mom after my I thought I was I was like,

465
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Speaker 5: twelve thousand dollar.

466
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Speaker 1: I can have meat in my sandwich every day for

467
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Speaker 1: as long as I live.

468
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Speaker 2: That was how your expectations were you getting in the

469
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Speaker 2: play Wow, when you're young, like, what is money in it?

470
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Speaker 1: Money is like not, we don't look that's what having

471
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Speaker 1: money is.

472
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,119
Speaker 5: Money is not like having it could be one thousand

473
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 5: dollars or it could be ten thousand dollars. When you're young,

474
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,720
Speaker 5: it doesn't really make any difference because what are you want?

475
00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 5: You're like, I want to bust some weed and then

476
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,520
Speaker 5: I going to get a taxi through the McDonald's drive

477
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Speaker 5: through because I'm okay.

478
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,600
Speaker 2: Let me tell you when I when I first made

479
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,439
Speaker 2: a ton of money, like I made I don't know,

480
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,400
Speaker 2: like twelve hundred dollars in one night. Tell me about

481
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 2: this bitch went to Steve Madden, went bawling out. I said,

482
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get five pairs of Steve Madden's Like, you got.

483
00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,440
Speaker 4: Twel hundred dollars is more than five pairs. I feel

484
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 4: like Steve Madden shooes though, Yeah, but I know right,

485
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,120
Speaker 4: but it's like like one hundred and fifty dollars four

486
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 4: pair of shoes of Steve Madden.

487
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 2: Oh girl, I was like in the sale area. I

488
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 2: was like, listen, I'm gonna ball out here in the

489
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Speaker 2: sale rat.

490
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 3: I feel like that's ten.

491
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,160
Speaker 1: Was the time where you was like I need Steve.

492
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Speaker 3: Snow But I'm like, I love Steve Maddon And.

493
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 4: You're saying you love or you love because I'm not

494
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Speaker 4: hearing the chance to choose it right now.

495
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Speaker 6: You say, did you hear me trying to? Yeah, I'm like,

496
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 6: well then of course. And you're like, I love Steve.

497
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,880
Speaker 6: I'm special place she.

498
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Speaker 3: Spent dollars and Steve Madden left whenever, my you just

499
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 3: want me in your in your sandwiche.

500
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 1: It can be a sandwich, it can be that meet.

501
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 1: That was then. That was then me and your Steve

502
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 1: Madden stand.

503
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 3: Steve Madden clutch too. That's hilarious.

504
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 4: Wait, so you get this money and then after that,

505
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 4: when do you get your next job?

506
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: Straight away? Straight away?

507
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 5: I worked pretty much consistently, so yeah, I was quite

508
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 5: lucky like that.

509
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: I never went longer than a month without working.

510
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 3: That's great.

511
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I told you Michelle five turn.

512
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the average height of mat We're probably about

513
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 2: five ten.

514
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 3: And that's how you got to start off.

515
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: You got Okay, Well, the.

516
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 5: Industry has changed since when I was doing it, because

517
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 5: now what they look for for girls is Instagram followers

518
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. All of that kind of goes in.

519
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 5: So let's say you have a following. I'll tell you

520
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 5: a perfect example. That beautiful girl, the Golden Barbie. Do

521
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 5: you know she's yes, yes, Now she was a great

522
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 5: example of a girl.

523
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Speaker 1: We made the most of what she was already doing.

524
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 5: But if she had just started modeling when I started,

525
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 5: she wouldn't. She wouldn't have modeled longer than a day

526
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 5: because it's like, you're not tall enough.

527
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: Even though she's stunning.

528
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 5: Yeah she's beautiful, but she's like super commercial and not

529
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 5: tall enough.

530
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like before she really truly popped, I

531
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 4: used to see her on like the for Every twenty

532
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 4: one website. Yeah, exactly, That's where I would see her,

533
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 4: like modeling bathing suits.

534
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: I pad I saw her indelius. Yeah, you have no idea, Absolutely,

535
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: you probably did.

536
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 5: But and then what she done was she had such

537
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 5: a huge following herself of this Golden Barbie thing, which

538
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 5: there was a time but that kind of thing would

539
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 5: have been a bit frowned.

540
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: Upon, you know, like but just seen as a bit tacky.

541
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think once the Kardashians were on the cover

542
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 5: of Rogue, it was like, it.

543
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: Gives a fuck, do you know what I mean?

544
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 5: And someone like her should absolutely be a big model

545
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 5: because she's generated her own following, where your average girl

546
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 5: is just a black canvas. But I think that changed things,

547
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 5: so now you don't necessarily have to be five tens.

548
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 4: Well, how tall she do? We know?

549
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 1: I think she's like five six no way, Yeah.

550
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 3: That's fine. I'm right around I mean I'm five four,

551
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 3: but I'm like right around five six.

552
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of.

553
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: But she does like a lot of fitness stuff, Like

554
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: she's in a lot of bathing suits.

555
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't feel like she does.

556
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: She doesn't do high end.

557
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 5: I would say no, but I'd say she kind of

558
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 5: does now. And she's sort of she's a celebrity in

559
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 5: her own right, you know what I mean. So let's

560
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 5: say the cusp between someone like Carli Klass and like

561
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 5: an Amber Rose, it's that kind.

562
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 4: Of you know, she's between the two of them.

563
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of done a good job. So I

564
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: just think that now the industry's changed.

565
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 5: So my days of that kind of modeling where you'd

566
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 5: get insane money for absolutely no reason other than you

567
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 5: did a great show season, I reckon that's done.

568
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: I reckon them days are over. I think that ship

569
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: has saved.

570
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 3: Has sale?

571
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 5: How much of people getting Now, well, all right, you

572
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 5: want me to give you some prices? Yes, okay, So do.

573
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: An American Vogue.

574
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 5: You'll probably get about seventy five dollars to feature.

575
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: In American Vogue dollary.

576
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, like to do to be in American Vogue, you're

577
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 5: going to get about two hundred and fifty dollars max.

578
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 5: Because it's your pleasure to be working for American Vogue.

579
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: That's good for you. That's how it's seen American Vogue.

580
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 5: That's not advertising, that's just them using you for a

581
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 5: photo spread.

582
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 4: So they're using you to sell magazines.

583
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the photographer's you to do a photo story,

584
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 5: you're not going to get paid much money. So to

585
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 5: do Oprah magazine that I always do Oprah Magazine every

586
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 5: bloody year for some Christmas something, or like some.

587
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: Magazine don't do.

588
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,479
Speaker 1: Because I love them.

589
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 5: And what I love them as well is because they

590
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 5: pay seven hundred dollars to do just the day's picture,

591
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 5: and I'm like, and then you get the picture and.

592
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: Probably can't use it anyway. But whatever.

593
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 5: My point is is that because magazine like Oprah is

594
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 5: not really going to help your career fashion wise, they

595
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 5: pay you more money, and magazines are going to help

596
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 5: your career like V magazine or.

597
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: W They're not paying you any money to go.

598
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: More money.

599
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 4: What about eating? Where they feeding you?

600
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 5: I mean they're feeding you, really, but you don't just

601
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 5: be eating on a It depends.

602
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 4: On like a piece of kale and like a.

603
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 5: Dry loads of catering. But the longer you spend around that,

604
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 5: the more you will feel the watchful eyes of judgment

605
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 5: on you. So you want to be passing that catering

606
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 5: table just in transit, just swiftly.

607
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 4: That's why you gotta be That's why you got to

608
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 4: be a king magazine man.

609
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, or you gotta be thick you can.

610
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna eat all these brothers.

611
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: I want all the craft services of having craft service,

612
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: I want.

613
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 4: Cheese.

614
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 5: It's one of the saddest times of my early career

615
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 5: was doing Zacci Show and you get to do it

616
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 5: at like Donna Tayler's aware, Genie Vazarci's old house, or

617
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 5: in Milan, like they have it in the space and

618
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 5: the catering is off the fucking chain and you can't

619
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 5: touch it because then fucking gay bitches will be looking

620
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 5: at you.

621
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: Like why are you eating that?

622
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 5: And it is the most brutal thing because you're just

623
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 5: looking at it and you can't. You can eat enough

624
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 5: so you don't faint, but you can't eat an so

625
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 5: you're having a good time.

626
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So then that's a good point.

627
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: I was going to ask and like a lot of

628
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: models have eating disorders. Did you have to deal with that?

629
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: Did you know a lot of people who went through that?

630
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is I mean, I've never had that.

631
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: But I'm naturally slim, and I think, look at.

632
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: That, come through, come through, naturally swim, come through.

633
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: But I'm naturally slim, and it's true.

634
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 5: And also I grew up in a West Indian area,

635
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 5: so I was never I was always shamed about how

636
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 5: skinny I was, and I always thought I was skinnier

637
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 5: than I was actually, you know what I mean. Sometimes

638
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 5: I'd go away and come back and they'd be like, so,

639
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 5: who's a little bit fat, but like they're trying to, you.

640
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, make it, make it you like me.

641
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't notice because, yeah, I just come from

642
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 5: an area where it was like not you want to

643
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 5: be bigger.

644
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't as conscious of it as other girls.

645
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 5: Also, I never really I've never been some money lately,

646
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 5: you know, when I hit my foot is a fluctuated

647
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 5: a bit more.

648
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: But when I was young.

649
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're still saying like, yeah, you are very much.

650
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: You look like a map. But I do think that.

651
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: So this is what I think. If you have a

652
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: food issue, modeling will bring it out even more.

653
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 5: But if you haven't got one to begin with, you

654
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 5: probably will just stay like that, you know what I mean,

655
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 5: if it's not in you, If you have any kind

656
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 5: of sort of any weird things with food, the fashion.

657
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: Industry will put a magnifying glass.

658
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: Why do they do that though, Like they are so

659
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: picky about and you could put the thing is you

660
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: can airbrush every fucking thing now, yeah, every giving about

661
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: giving me a whole.

662
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 5: But it's also it's a bit like being an athlete, man.

663
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 5: So I just think if you don't like it, don't

664
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 5: be a model then.

665
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know where there's a lot of money.

666
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 4: But you know what, when I was temping last year

667
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 4: and the year before that, one of the basons I

668
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 4: got to temp was at IMG Models, right, and I

669
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 4: was one of the agents assistant, and I would just

670
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: go through. I was it was my job to put

671
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 4: the girls dates in their calendars. So I looked through

672
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 4: to see how much money everybody was making. And some

673
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: of them, we're making a lot of money, like twenty

674
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 4: thousand dollars a day. But I'm looking at people's book

675
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: like people who are like victorious Secret Angels, and like

676
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 4: people who you know, not necessarily Instagram models, but people

677
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: who actually like walk Runaways regularly and Karli Klaus and

678
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 4: all these people. So I would look to see how

679
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: much money they made, because you know, I like to

680
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: invoke pain on myself and I like feeling poor. Because

681
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 4: I was like thirty thousand dollars for this day of

682
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: work in Camp Coon or wherever the hell they were staying,

683
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 4: and the girls would come in. I was there the

684
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 4: week before fashion Week and the girls came in and

685
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: it's all like legit, like fourteen fifteen year old girls

686
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: coming in and they're like super skinny, they're super young.

687
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: The agents are like talking about, okay, well make sure

688
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 4: you only take stairs this week, no taxis, take the

689
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: train like they want you to like eat, like work

690
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: off your quote unquote fat. And then when the girls

691
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: would leave, they'd be like, she looked terrible, Like they

692
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 4: were so nasty to these and their children, like they're

693
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 4: like fourteen year olds.

694
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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree.

695
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 5: Well, this is the thing about the underage side of

696
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 5: it is that think about it.

697
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: If if these if these.

698
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 5: Girls, if there was a fourteen year old in a

699
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 5: magazine with a sea through top and her boobs were big,

700
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 5: you would identify that as some sort of child porn.

701
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: Or like something that doesn't seem right.

702
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 5: And because these girls are built like pre pubescent boys,

703
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 5: for some reason, it's seen as fashion. Needless to say,

704
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 5: she's a fourteen year old working a sixteen hour day,

705
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 5: and I've seen some disgusting things happen on set.

706
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: But what I'm my thing is like, if you don't

707
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: like it, don't do it.

708
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 5: And the reason why I say that not for children,

709
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 5: because you're a child and.

710
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: You can't make your parents your own sound are like, yes.

711
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 4: You're gonna make money and be a Naomi Campbell junior

712
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: or whatever.

713
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 5: Right, But I think if people were more honest about

714
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 5: what the fashion industry is like, and if you knew that, look,

715
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 5: your average girl doesn't make that much money either. Me.

716
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 5: Sometimes i'd clear one hundred grands a year or twice that,

717
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 5: but I didn't have any money management. I think I

718
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: came from a family where I got scammed for a lot.

719
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: Of my money, do you know what I mean?

720
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 5: And I gave a lot and paid a lot of rents.

721
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to do deal with money myself,

722
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 5: so I was just like just yeah, literally threw it away. Now,

723
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: Lucky for me, I've been able to have other jobs

724
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 5: and careers, so I don't need to be bitter about that.

725
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 5: But if I didn't, and if let's say I wasn't

726
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: a bartender before I was a model, I'd probably be

727
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 5: a drug addict now, to be fair. So I wish

728
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 5: more people were honest about what the fashion industry is

729
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 5: And if you're a pretty girl, please know that the first.

730
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: Thing you don't need to do is be a model.

731
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: And it's kind of annoying that when you see a

732
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 5: beautiful girl, all of us are primed to say you

733
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 5: should be a model, Like that's the best possible.

734
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: Never had a dollar retire that to me, I would

735
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: have one hundred thousand.

736
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: Dollars so much money, i'd be a millionaire right now.

737
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: Maybe, Like well, I mean normally when people see me,

738
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: that's means I'm a dancer because my body is like

739
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: you're super short, staggy, but like flying, you know, your muscle,

740
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: muscle muscles, thank you so management. But what that means

741
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: is I ain't got no hips and my shoulders are white.

742
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: There's what it means. When do you dance? I'd be

743
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: like i'd be like only to get through graduate school.

744
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, people see that and that's exactly what. Oh

745
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 4: you're a comedian, but you should just be a model.

746
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, but you're so pretty.

747
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 5: And basically it's this kind of attitude we have in

748
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 5: society that if there's a woman who's attractive and beautiful,

749
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 5: then she must use it. Why, I mean fucking patronizing

750
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 5: really so why I would like to be It's like

751
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 5: if you see a gorgeous girl, well maybe she could

752
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 5: just be a gorgeous engineer or a googeous taxi driver

753
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: or goog just something else.

754
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: Oh, I hope she's not a gorgeous taxi driver. I

755
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: hope she's something else, a gorgeous at home.

756
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: I'm on the side of like, if you are beautiful,

757
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: you use it like you can get. Like, there's so.

758
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: Many outlets to use your beauty properly long as it's

759
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: managed right. You know, there's so many people on Instagram

760
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: who we don't even know who the hell they are.

761
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: They're taking a train, but somebody's willing to give them

762
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars for their product.

763
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 5: But it's not just going to be because you're beautiful.

764
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to have generated your own amount of followers.

765
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 5: So like when that's why I kind of give these

766
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 5: girls props like Rosa Costa and all of these kind

767
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 5: of like fit beautiful, like women of all different shapes

768
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 5: and sizes, and like I would raw to me, I've

769
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: got more time for her selling some you know, tea

770
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 5: that makes your ship. But that's someone who's had to

771
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 5: already be business minded about it. I think the days

772
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: of just saying you are gorgeous and someone is going

773
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: to want to throw money at you just to be

774
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 5: more than attractive, you have to be a little bit

775
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: more than attractive these days. And I don't think it's

776
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 5: a bad thing, And I just think I wish more

777
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 5: people knew that, like that day of like you know,

778
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 5: the Naomi Campbell's and stuff.

779
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: It's a little bit. Yes, that's done.

780
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: But also they're changing the whole industry, like everything is

781
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: body positive now.

782
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: Everything they like now.

783
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 4: I mean they still they're still are still shame you.

784
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: Still, but for the most part, they want for people

785
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: like Ashley Graham all day and they'll make you think,

786
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: like Ashy Graham is the first.

787
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: Girl to be like full figured, and it's like boo boo,

788
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: I see that on a.

789
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: Regular basis at the mall, Like that is not even

790
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 2: I think that there's between Ashley Graham and people who

791
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: may be weigh the same thing that she weighs. Is

792
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: that her body still like goes inwhere you know what

793
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's not like her stomach is hanging

794
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: out further than her butt or like her you know

795
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like she's still shaped like somebody, you

796
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like her blox exactly, her something

797
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: is flat, her her hip, like her waist goes in

798
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: like she's not it's not the same thing. No, what

799
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm not saying that you should just be

800
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: out of shape. I'm saying it's body positive now, so

801
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: that you don't have to.

802
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: Be uh supersiding zero. You can be a full figured woman.

803
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 2: You can have curves, you can have ass, you can

804
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: have boobs, you can have legs and still sell that.

805
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: Yes, but you know what's you know what you can't

806
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: You can't not have no legs be a model.

807
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, you can't have that.

808
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: No, no, wait have you seen on Refinery twenty nine?

809
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 4: No, I don't go there. Remember they owe me mnd

810
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: Oh yes, yeah, child.

811
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: But there was one like there was a woman who's

812
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: like ball headed and she has one leg and she

813
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: was like modeling stuff.

814
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: Oh the black girl she got that, she got their

815
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: cool Fike legs.

816
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: She's like she's Nigerian Instagram.

817
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

818
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: But you know.

819
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 5: The difference between that is because of social media, we

820
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 5: all get to decide who we like. It's not the

821
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 5: fashion industry saying you should like this representation of womanhood

822
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 5: which is actually childhood.

823
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

824
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 5: That's the difference. We are getting to be like, oh

825
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 5: I love that chick. I love Ashley Graham. I love

826
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: because there's been with Wilhelmina here, they've had a plus

827
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 5: sized division forever.

828
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: But you know, it's now these girls are.

829
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 5: Generating that following for themselves, and I think that's a

830
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: way more positive way to go about fashion.

831
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: Or the modeling industry in itself.

832
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: And another question I had, it's really serious, you do

833
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, I like, okay, I feel very sixty minutes,

834
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: I feel really.

835
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: Wait can we can we talk about the craziest thing

836
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: that's ever happened to you as a model, Like the

837
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 4: most embarrassing.

838
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I've seen some crazy stuff. And my

839
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: favorite thing is.

840
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 5: That I ever saw was I was backstage at Versus show,

841
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 5: which is like another line for Vizarchi, and a model

842
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 5: came and yanked the back of Donna Taeler Vazarci's hair,

843
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 5: and I thought a big fight was going to block

844
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 5: out because this is like before white chicks were wearing

845
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 5: we even though she was clearly wearing Yeah, Donna Tailor

846
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 5: flicks her.

847
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Head around, She's like, don't do you attach me? And

848
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: then his model just laughs in her.

849
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 5: Face, and I was like, dude, a fight is going

850
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 5: to Brock like I was saying, He's like yeah, and

851
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 5: no one.

852
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Cares, like world star, yeah, world.

853
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 5: And then yeah, and then Donna Taylor's like, no, do

854
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: you have a fucking touchment?

855
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: And then the chick just walks out onto the runway

856
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: and does my first look. It was a great moment, man,

857
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: it was an amazing What tell.

858
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 4: What does Dona Tayler's face look like up close? Because

859
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 4: you put yourself, looks like melted butter. He looks like

860
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 4: a corn flake.

861
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: It looks like the Ghostbusters like marshmallow thing that just

862
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: like it looks like when you're.

863
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 4: Starting to make s'mores and you think the marshmallows ready,

864
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: but it's still hard on the inside and it just

865
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: melted on the outside.

866
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: Definitely like yeah, it's honey roasted and it's money. It's

867
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 5: been even particularly bad.

868
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: It's just definitely ready, like it was in the oven.

869
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: You'd be like, like, you need to turn this over.

870
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: She stayed face down. Wow.

871
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she I feel like she owns it.

872
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: She don't give a damn.

873
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: She know what she looked like. She gives zero fox. Yeah,

874
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: she gives zero fox. Other with things I had Adulta

875
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: and Gobana tried to.

876
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 5: Refuse to pay me once because they I did like

877
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 5: a look book for them and and they were really

878
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 5: upsex they so I didn't look great, but they basically

879
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 5: had a team of hairstylist who didn't know how to

880
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: do my hair.

881
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: It was not your makeup.

882
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they didn't have your makeup, but your light

883
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 4: skin you are, I'm light.

884
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 5: Like the only thing that's like official is my hair,

885
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 5: like light Yeah, you're light skin.

886
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: You're like you're like a dark white woman. Yeah, like

887
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 4: they pay in that color.

888
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: Can you speak on that?

889
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: Talk about being like a mixed woman in the industry

890
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 2: with your hair is sxsture.

891
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 5: The hair thing, the hair thing, it was always an issue,

892
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 5: but I'd always do my hair myself. By the end,

893
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 5: it was such a thing that I would have to

894
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 5: like straighten it and curl it myself and turn up

895
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 5: with my hair done. But as far as like being

896
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 5: light skinned, it was really weird in the in the

897
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 5: in fact all my career only recently, like I would

898
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 5: be the black girl that they were booking.

899
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a feeling of like, but I'm not.

900
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm surely I'm not black enough.

901
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 5: To represent you and you and well, I was the

902
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: black girl for pretty much every single job I did,

903
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 5: and that gave me a sense of like, boy, like,

904
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 5: you know, I would like to be there to represent

905
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 5: people that look like me. And I think it's great

906
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 5: if and let's say a label is having a more

907
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 5: you know, just basically a more diverse setup. But if

908
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 5: I'm the black girl that i'm then yes.

909
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Why doing it?

910
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 4: Michelle? The inside of my hand, my palms are darker

911
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: than you.

912
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: I mean too.

913
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: But that's the same thing with Misty Copeland, the ballerina,

914
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 4: the black chick. They were, like she said, when she

915
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: started to do ballet, they never had shoes in her

916
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: color because you know, the ballerinas wear the shoes that

917
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: matted their skin tone. She's your complexion, and it's like,

918
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: y'all don't have that. Y'all don't have dark beige. And

919
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: he was like, no, they didn't have that. Like and

920
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 4: there are ballerinas who are darker than her, So how

921
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: do you think they fit like?

922
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: They never had the make up for them. They never

923
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: had they had you have to come up with your

924
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: own stuff.

925
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: How hard is it to just get the fucking complexion?

926
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: Right, listen, Just go to.

927
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: Get some get some cover girl queen collection. Just I

928
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 4: don't even need be anything fancy, just go get it.

929
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 4: So when I get there, I don't look after you

930
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: when I come outside.

931
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: Well it's like, why isn't it if if there's only

932
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: one of you? Right, how come they.

933
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: Don't have it least that they know you coming? Yeah,

934
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: you're not a mistake. You They booked you up and

935
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, we want to miss mix a couple

936
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: of creams together.

937
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 5: They literally like they say they that particularly was a

938
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 5: really hard job because they lined they had like a

939
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 5: team of makeup artists and maybe six models and then

940
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 5: the makeup art is like a basketball tournament while you're

941
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 5: they have to pick and it.

942
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: Was just basically like one guy dragging his heels as

943
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: he walked up to me, then like I got this

944
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: scale and then just trying.

945
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: To like so he didn't even really want to do

946
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: your face and of.

947
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: Course not man, like I'm telling you, like, places like

948
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 5: Milan and stuff are really hard, like where they're definitely

949
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 5: designers will just be like we're booking one black girl

950
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 5: and I will be the black girl.

951
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like what is crazy?

952
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 5: Things are changing a little bit, but not that much.

953
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 5: And it's also shallow, you know, in fashion is shallow.

954
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 5: So one season black girls will be in and the

955
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 5: next season Asian girls will be in.

956
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: But what girls are always in?

957
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

958
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: So if you're ethnic, it's always trendy, trendy thing.

959
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: And then don't have what was this? Was it Mark Jacobs?

960
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: He had a whole line where the girls were wearing dreads. Yeah,

961
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: different colored dress. Codn't understand why everybody was so upset

962
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: about it. It's like you could have got somebody who

963
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 2: already had dreads.

964
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: Well this. These fashion designers are always completely out of touch, right,

965
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: Like remember when Chanel did their like line of silk

966
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: sleeping caps and it was like, that's a drag, that's

967
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 4: that's a twelve thousand dollars dug right, And Balenciaga just

968
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 4: came out with this blue bag for like, I don't

969
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: know how many, like thirty nine one hundred dollars, and

970
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: it's the Ikea bag. It looks exactly like right, but

971
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: it looks exactly like the bag you get for free

972
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: at Ikea. And it's like, dude, really yeah, well no,

973
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: and then there's a no, there's somebody else came out

974
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: with Chinese slippers, like the ones that used to wear

975
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 4: and it's like those we would wear from like mouth

976
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 4: Dollar from like the beautiful Blacks throw in my neighborhood

977
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 4: and they're like it's like twelve thousand dollars or something

978
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: like that. They're like real soresky crystals. It's like these

979
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: are Chinese slips. They always want to reinvent some ship

980
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 4: that we that we've been had, we've been doing, like

981
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 4: what fashion. There was some line that all the girls

982
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: came down with like baby hairs, like crazy curly baby hair. Yeah,

983
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: and it's like, dude, like it looks terrible. It was

984
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: like the worst fingerwave. You just got some but they

985
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 4: just brought all the hair from the back up and

986
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: it was like, man, my baby hair is gonna do all.

987
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: Like it was a lot.

988
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

989
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: I think like Tana Taylor had that and like Drea.

990
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: It was a couple of people who from the from

991
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: the Brown Side that was rocking it too.

992
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, did you let somebody why do

993
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: that to you?

994
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 4: You could do that yourself, like like FK Twigs baby

995
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 4: hairs too. You definitely had a Susanne Summers do. I

996
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: don't like letting white people touch my hair, like if

997
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: I have it, if we're doing a show or we're

998
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: doing something on camera, I'd be like. They'd be like,

999
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: this is the hair dresser. I'll be like, no, I'm

1000
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 4: already done. This is how you're gonna wear it? Yes,

1001
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: is I'm wearing it?

1002
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: Well?

1003
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 5: You know what you should because these are the things.

1004
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 5: You kind of got to put your foot down a

1005
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 5: little bit. I'm lucky with vice.

1006
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: They kind of let me.

1007
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that we'reing Like a head wrap on

1008
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 5: you know, screen was a deal, and it actually is,

1009
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

1010
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: Like, let me do whatever I want. They let me

1011
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: have my hair out, they let me have it back.

1012
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: No one's ever like could you make it more tame,

1013
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, which.

1014
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: Is basically what I'd get if I turn up to

1015
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: any sort of fashion show or anything with my hair

1016
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 5: in AFRO, I would get cast out, and mostly by

1017
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 5: black hairdressers that are just like who do you think

1018
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 5: you are?

1019
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Like you, how are you going to turn up with

1020
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: your hair like this? And now we have to do it.

1021
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is what your get involved? Do

1022
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You better start now?

1023
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: What are we talking about just put it in go ahead,

1024
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 3: ahead ahead and tangled.

1025
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: That is so crazy to me because like even as

1026
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 4: like comics, when we do stuff, a lot of times

1027
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: the makeup artists doesn't know what they're doing. But when

1028
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: it's a black makeup artist and they don't know how

1029
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: to do my makeup, I'm I'm double angry, Like I'm

1030
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 4: even more upset.

1031
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that they see the monitor,

1032
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: the monitors letting you know what the fuck I'm gonna

1033
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: look like on TV, like because sometimes the lighting in

1034
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: the dress room you don't know, but you see the monitor, like.

1035
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 4: I'm on camera looking like a like a dusty bag

1036
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 4: of trash and you're like, uh no, it looks fine.

1037
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: My concealer, my concealer's running.

1038
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: You're like, well, we don't, we don't know what we

1039
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: look like.

1040
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 4: We just shot a bunch of stuff for MTV International

1041
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: and saw it was like some some talking head stuff

1042
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: like we're like making we're doing commentary about like girl

1043
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: it didn't.

1044
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: Come out, so we're doing commentary about this stuff.

1045
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: And we saw like the videos after they finished editing them,

1046
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: and like I was like, that's that's the face that

1047
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: y'all gonna show and that that's the face that they

1048
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: gonna see. Jan like, that's it.

1049
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: What did it look like?

1050
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 4: It was orange yellow, It looked like I had one

1051
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: It looked like I had on a bunch of makeup.

1052
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 4: Mind you the whole she was like, well, it's supposed

1053
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: to look like you're not wearing the makeup, right, we

1054
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: were the only ones that looked like we had tons

1055
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 4: of cake on cake doing. Also, but like, my face

1056
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 4: is all one color, right, Like, ain't no contour. My

1057
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 4: real face is not just one color. There's like six

1058
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: different colors on my face. And like it just looks

1059
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 4: fat and flat and black.

1060
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: Well you should, I'm marine, I'm so black.

1061
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: That flat black own face faces.

1062
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: You need to like, you guys need to invest in.

1063
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: I brought my own stuff, and I brought my stuff.

1064
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: You're like, this is not gonna work with this type

1065
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: of camera. Yes, it's not gonna they her makeup wasn't

1066
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: gonna work on Yeah, that's like you.

1067
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 4: Need to get a mad and stuff like that. I'm like, dude,

1068
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: there's some powder on it. Then, like anyway, so it's hard,

1069
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 4: but you did you have a hard time with your makeup? Also?

1070
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 5: Like, no, not really because my makeup was of like,

1071
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 5: but what what It's not for me, it's what that

1072
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 5: brand wants you to look like. When you guys are

1073
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 5: going on film, you are representing yourself.

1074
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: It's you.

1075
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: Black, blank canvas. So that didn't matter so much.

1076
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: What was annoying is when like to designers Liked and

1077
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 5: Banner like, we're not going to pay you now because

1078
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: we think your makeup look ship.

1079
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, well that's the Magat problem.

1080
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: Something like that is annoying. Yeah, But for the most part,

1081
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that doesn't really bother you.

1082
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: How did you finally How did that finally end? Did

1083
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: you have to like take them the court to get

1084
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: your Did they just get arrested for tax evasion?

1085
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1086
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: Well they weren't paying anybody, but I.

1087
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: Know they had.

1088
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 5: They said some homophobic stuff or whatever. I just complained

1089
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 5: to my agents and was like, no, you know, this

1090
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 5: is why it's the money. Yeah, And actually, if you

1091
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 5: if I'm meant to not pay for that, like if

1092
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 5: I'm meant to now pay and and sort out you

1093
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 5: lots you know, stupidness, then I'm going to they said,

1094
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 5: and calling you racist, and then I got paid.

1095
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: They said some homophobic stuff aren't gay. Yeah they are,

1096
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: but they say that.

1097
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 5: I remember they said something like they didn't think it

1098
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 5: was natural with two men had a kid or some bullshit.

1099
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know that. Please don't. I don't know.

1100
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

1101
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: Did you I was gonna say, did you have any

1102
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: problems with other models? Did you have did you ever

1103
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: have like a fire.

1104
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: Did have a reverse Naomi moment?

1105
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: Or did you I was quite lucky, man.

1106
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: I had some really good like girls who always took

1107
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 5: care of me and them friends with alec Weck, So

1108
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 5: that was friends with her.

1109
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure she went a lot.

1110
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, she could probably, And this is what I'm saying

1111
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 5: for me in my career. It was very hard for

1112
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 5: me to see someone like her. Has always been amazing

1113
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 5: with me, always gave me great advice. And when I

1114
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 5: moved back to New York a few years ago after

1115
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 5: doing stand up, I live with her and that she's

1116
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 5: always been great. But you know, when we would do

1117
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 5: a fashion show or whatever, I would probably do more

1118
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 5: commercial jobs than her. In the in the beginning of

1119
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 5: the early nughties, she would do these huge campaigns. Was

1120
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: an amazing model, but they wouldn't you said that much

1121
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: for advertising. Now they will because we know it's her,

1122
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 5: but at that time they were like, you don't represent

1123
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 5: what we were, you know what I mean.

1124
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: It was kind of fun.

1125
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 4: It's so crazy because black women spend a lot of

1126
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 4: money in like just in beauty, in fashion, we spend

1127
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 4: so much money, and they're like, we'll take your money,

1128
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: but we don't want you to see you represented in

1129
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: what we're doing, you know what I mean.

1130
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes they would have her and stuff that's like extra extra,

1131
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: like they're looking crazy. Yeah, it's like they're just gonna

1132
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: put a piece of they're gonna paint a yellow stripe

1133
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: around her forehead and that's it.

1134
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: You don't even saw a way to speak on her behalf.

1135
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 5: But in terms of that, like we would definitely discuss that, like,

1136
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 5: you know, but we someone like me or as she

1137
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 5: would say, right, we get we get all this beautiful

1138
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 5: pretty makeup right to emphasize your eyes in it, and

1139
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: they're just like, yeah, just paint a bloody green stripe

1140
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 5: down her face and be like, oh kid, that's you.

1141
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 5: I mean, how but I had I had people like

1142
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 5: that sort of a few years older than me that

1143
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 5: were really nice to me and really lovely and were

1144
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 5: really open and honest, and I never actually had that

1145
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 5: much beef with girls and more it was more photographers

1146
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Terry Richardson, I can't stand it. Yeah,

1147
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 5: some Terry juice. I just think is I just think

1148
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 5: he's a He's a fucking dirty pervert. And I'm really

1149
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 5: happy that it's that people are talking about it now.

1150
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 5: When I when I was, you know, going to do

1151
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 5: castings for him and stuff, he would have a bunch

1152
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 5: of girls in and like the amount of my friends

1153
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: he's taking pictures of, you know, without their top song

1154
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 5: when they thought it was for like a private picture,

1155
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 5: and then he ended up making it public. And I

1156
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 5: just think it's a nasty bit of work. And yeah,

1157
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 5: So the first job I did, I was doing a

1158
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 5: job for Tommy hill Figure. I was doing a job

1159
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 5: for Tommy hill Figure and I'd already done on the

1160
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 5: campaign a season before, so he hadn't booked me. The client,

1161
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 5: Tommy Hilfigare booked me and so I'm doing a campaign

1162
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 5: again and.

1163
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: He was shooting it this year and he just had

1164
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: like a bunch of girls.

1165
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 5: They were all probably about sixteen, sitting in a circle

1166
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 5: in underwear playing padder cake. Now, these girls were so young,

1167
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: you know, like this, these girls are young, YID not

1168
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: understanding what the appeal is for this older man to

1169
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 5: be looking at. You know, I just don't really think

1170
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 5: that you're too young to get it. So they're doing this,

1171
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 5: probably playing up to get his attention and knowing.

1172
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: That he would like that.

1173
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 5: And he walked past and he was like, yeah, that's

1174
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 5: so fucking heart and I was like, that is disgusting. Yeah,

1175
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 5: there's yeah, and he pretty much I think like an

1176
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 5: hour after that, I got sent home.

1177
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you said out loud that I was disgusting.

1178
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just didn't want to play with him.

1179
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, oh, come over here, and he'd want

1180
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 5: to put his arm around me, and you know, like

1181
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 5: I'm not into those weird like sexy dad vibes.

1182
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 4: Man. Now with them.

1183
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: Glasses he had on about him, it's creepy.

1184
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 2: Everyone said he's very dove from American Apparel.

1185
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what.

1186
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: They look similar as well it Yeah, oh yeah they do.

1187
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: And I feel like even the models for American appearl

1188
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: they had I was like, he touching all of them.

1189
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: All of the real you tubes coming outy lips right

1190
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 4: selling he's selling a bra, but your vagina in the

1191
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 4: photo girls tuck it in.

1192
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: Sis.

1193
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 4: Wait, what's the craziest thing that ever happened to you

1194
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: on the runway because you used to walk the runway right?

1195
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, Well, the craziest thing that's ever happened

1196
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 5: to me on a runway was falling. Actually, well, one

1197
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 5: time I was doing a show for Betsy Johnson in

1198
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 5: New York, and you know, she has all these animated shows,

1199
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 5: and like I slept. My friend was walking up the

1200
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 5: runway the ship called Amrah and I spent the ars

1201
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 5: and got my studied glove called.

1202
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: To her tires.

1203
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: Look, you know, and I was like excuse me.

1204
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 5: And then and then yeah, I was doing food, was

1205
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 5: doing Gucci. I did that show and I couldn't really walk.

1206
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 5: And Tom Forwards, such a nice guy, just started modeling

1207
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 5: and I had to do like a quick walk for him.

1208
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: But you know, at the cast in he was like, yeah,

1209
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: you're booked.

1210
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 5: And then when he came to the actual show and

1211
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 5: they put me in the big gass.

1212
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: Hills, I was like, I.

1213
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 5: Know, you're not going to be working on anything. It

1214
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 5: was like shag pile, white carpet, and I was like,

1215
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 5: oh my god. I did the rehearsal. I fell in

1216
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 5: the rehearsal, and you know, this was like a serious

1217
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 5: moment from modeling. My mother and the friends got don't worry,

1218
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 5: just keep it together, like you've already fallen, now you

1219
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 5: can't fall again.

1220
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: And now it's out the way.

1221
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1222
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: So I go down and a Gucci runway is like

1223
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 5: it's like a block. It's the longest run where you're

1224
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 5: ever going to walk down.

1225
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 4: Really, why is there?

1226
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: Because it's Gucci and everyone wants to go, so they just.

1227
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 3: Make the front row. Yeah, the more people you can

1228
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 3: fit in.

1229
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 5: And yeah, and there's all these people there and I

1230
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 5: just got halfway down the runway and I just sort

1231
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 5: of I made it a bit and I just thought, man,

1232
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 5: imagine if you fell, would.

1233
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: You think that it was a long enough runway? You think, right,

1234
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 4: because you had runway down and you had to come

1235
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 4: on with me.

1236
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: You set yourself up and failure.

1237
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: It was I was like, you seged yourself out.

1238
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 5: I was like a college dede sleeping with a hot girl.

1239
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 5: You can't get his erection off.

1240
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: Imagine if you fell and then I fell and I was.

1241
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 5: Able to take my shoes off, and like everyone clapped, like,

1242
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 5: look at her, she's walking.

1243
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: That's what happened.

1244
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: That's what happened to carrying uh the city.

1245
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 4: She felt so hard. Yeah.

1246
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, And actually it was not long after that came

1247
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 5: out anyway, So I'm going backstage.

1248
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, don't worry. Now you've done it again again.

1249
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: And now you were going right, let you know, so

1250
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 3: we saw that and they're like on the monitor.

1251
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 5: Next shoes They've like taped the like straps, so I

1252
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 5: can't just take them off, right, I'm going down the

1253
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 5: runway again. I get to the end of the runway

1254
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 5: and the Alliance start like applauding because they're like, look.

1255
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 4: At there's been she fell.

1256
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 5: And then as soon as as soon as I turned around,

1257
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 5: I fell again.

1258
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't together.

1259
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 5: I was just like.

1260
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: It was a comedian in me.

1261
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 5: To be honestly, I just kept on thinking this is

1262
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 5: so ridiculous. I was literally a bartender. And like a

1263
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 5: month later in Milan and everyone's clapping because I walked down.

1264
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: Anyway. I got up, yeah, took three more.

1265
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 5: Bambi steps and then fell headfirst into a guy's lap.

1266
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 4: It was classic. But you fell into somebody's lap.

1267
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, man had first. Did you get fully paid for

1268
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: that or not?

1269
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1270
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: I got paid for that, and he and I got

1271
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: booked a get old. The next time I did this show,

1272
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: I was doing a cruise show and by this point.

1273
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm jinxed with Gucci. Yes, over jinked some jinx.

1274
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 5: It was a private showing. It was like Anna Winter,

1275
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 5: Andrei and Tilly and like maybe two other big introjuices

1276
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 5: or whatever. So I'm wearing these like swimming costumes. I

1277
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 5: go down thinking I'm crushing it and I didn't even

1278
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 5: fool It's a private showing.

1279
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: Now they can see.

1280
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 4: I thought.

1281
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: I come back up.

1282
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 5: My dresser like scoops the gusset of my fucking swimming costume,

1283
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 5: and she's like dampon and dampon and damp I'm like, what, dude,

1284
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 5: I'd fucking roll down this runway with basically a G

1285
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 5: string on my tampon string.

1286
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: No, yeah, there you go. That's my most embarrassing.

1287
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 4: On Telly. So your tampon string.

1288
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: You are legendary.

1289
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: You're a legendary, Michelle.

1290
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure they all know who you are smuggling can

1291
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: we talk.

1292
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 4: About why Andre be wearing them the two vacovers outside

1293
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 4: and then howse shoes he wears?

1294
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: How shoes?

1295
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 5: You know what?

1296
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: He reminds me of the dude from Unbreakable Kimmi schmid it. Now,

1297
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm just like cleaning. You're taking mad style tips from

1298
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: Andre on Telly.

1299
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's just you know, I'm sure he is,

1300
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 4: but it's you judging and you look like you stepped,

1301
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 4: You got caught your curtains that on the way out.

1302
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he basically covered himself in glue.

1303
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: He looks like he sits out on side of a

1304
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: part and tells the kids.

1305
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: Come on, now, come on in now I made dinner.

1306
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: He looks like the type of person that like calls

1307
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 4: you from upstairs to come down to passing the remote

1308
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 4: that's right next to you.

1309
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

1310
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 4: You know how like your mom, do come inside and

1311
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 4: bring me the remote. This is awful, this remote that's

1312
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 4: raided by your hand. This remote.

1313
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 3: That's what Andre looks like.

1314
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: Wow, Michelle, I can't believe you survived that and didn't

1315
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 4: feel the tampon string caressing your upper thighs.

1316
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: Should you should have cut the string? You should have

1317
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: cut it, but then she wouldn't be able to get

1318
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: it out. That's fine, you have a TSS.

1319
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 3: I've had that before.

1320
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 4: You at TSS because you forgot to take your tire.

1321
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got scoop man, you got a lot on

1322
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: your back, saying proud I had. Sometimes.

1323
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 3: I had just had my graduation.

1324
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: I was out and about, you know, with the friends,

1325
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna

1326
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 2: go home yet, And I stayed out all night with

1327
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: the tampon.

1328
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: In went to a dude's house. I was hanging out

1329
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 3: with this dude. Obviously he didn't do anything with the tampon,

1330
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 3: but we were hanging out.

1331
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: He was like, just slot the strings to the sun.

1332
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: That's not so.

1333
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: Then the next day, I like next day, at four o'clock,

1334
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: because I had spent the night at my friend's house,

1335
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: I realized.

1336
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, man, I think I've had this

1337
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: stamp on it for twenty four hours.

1338
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1339
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: So I get to the house, my face swollen. I

1340
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: looked like a fucking squirrel. My brother's like, what's wrong

1341
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: with you? I was like, I don't know, and then

1342
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: he touches me. He's like, yo, you're burning up. So

1343
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 2: my brother takes me to the emergency room, right, and

1344
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: he's like, do you know what it was? At that point,

1345
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: I had taken it out, but I told him at

1346
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: the emergency room, I think I've left my tampon in

1347
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: too long. So when I get in the triage, there's

1348
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: a woman telling me to sit down, and she's like,

1349
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull it out for you, and I said no, no, no, no, no,

1350
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: it's already out out the mid Oh He's gonna pull

1351
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 2: the tampon and I was like, no, it's not stuck.

1352
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: I already took it out. I think it was in

1353
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: there too long.

1354
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 5: Wow.

1355
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: And my brother's there.

1356
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 4: I was like, this is embarrassing. I mean embarrassing, even

1357
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 4: worse now that you're talking about on the podcast and

1358
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 4: people know that you you were dirty airs bird, Michelle,

1359
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 4: How did your TSS affect you? Happy? You woke out

1360
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 4: the wrong where you were like, I'm just never taking

1361
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: this out.

1362
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: No, it was fine.

1363
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 5: I just I think I like probably had a big

1364
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 5: night partying on zimally back in the day and woke

1365
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 5: up and was like, oh, a bit of heaviness there,

1366
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 5: and ye had just scooped that motherfucker out like a pro.

1367
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 5: It was like a you know, a string that you

1368
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 5: know some like a string that didn't that where I

1369
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 5: got the string without the tampon, But eventually.

1370
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 4: You got the string out by itself.

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00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 5: The string came off and the tampon was left, and

1372
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 5: I just must have been fucked off my face and

1373
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 5: forgot about the situation.

1374
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: Was like, there's no string, I'm fine, but that didn't

1375
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: mean there was no tampon. But yeah, I went fishing.

1376
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 4: It was fun.

1377
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Yo, that is wild. Wait, but it were fun.

1378
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 4: I feel like we need to talk to you about

1379
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 4: drugs in modeling real quick. How much drugs were you on?

1380
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: Not enough?

1381
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 5: To be honest, I was like, I was a big smoker,

1382
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 5: so I didn't really touch drugs until I had to

1383
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 5: pay for it myself.

1384
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, so when it was free, you were just walking

1385
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 3: by the book page.

1386
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 5: You just weren't into it, man, Because I'd sort of

1387
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 5: like that there's thought of doing coke and things like

1388
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 5: that didn't seem glamorous to me. I grew up in

1389
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 5: an area where like, if you did drugs, you're probably

1390
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 5: in sucking dick for money. Yeah, I didn't get to

1391
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 5: and so you know, I think especially like cocaine, which

1392
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 5: is what the fashion industry is running on. It's one

1393
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 5: of those drugs that if you do it then then

1394
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 5: you know that everyone else is doing it.

1395
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: But I wasn't doing it then, so I didn't know.

1396
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: And that's.

1397
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: That's why you are here threat, because if you would

1398
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: have done it while you were doing it, or you

1399
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: would probably look like ship now it runs you down.

1400
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: I had some time making up for lost time, but yeah.

1401
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 4: You were like this cocaine is too scary for me.

1402
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 5: No more drugs than that anywhere else, to be honest,

1403
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 5: you know, I mean if you go about clubbing, not

1404
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 5: actually not on the jobs, but you know, if you

1405
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 5: go out clubbing, maybe in the nineties there was loads

1406
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 5: of that kind of stuff, but if you go to clubs.

1407
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 5: Of course, you can go out to any club in

1408
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 5: New York and there's a million models drinking for free.

1409
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Everybody.

1410
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: No, everybody's doing it, literally everyone is, right.

1411
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: It really is like just working at a bar. I realized.

1412
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 3: I was like, even the interns be fucking doing drugs.

1413
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: It's everybody.

1414
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: They're like, from the manager to the CEO to all

1415
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: the little everybody's doing drugs.

1416
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 3: They don't I.

1417
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 4: Don't even feel cool. I've never been doing cocaine at

1418
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 4: a party and I've never had TSS. I just am

1419
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: a loser a.

1420
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: Party like, but you do it at home.

1421
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 4: I've never done cocaine in the club, club cocaine, club road, cocaine,

1422
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 4: cocaine in homes.

1423
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: Michelle, I don't think we should give your test.

1424
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 4: I think you can you name Can you name neither

1425
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 4: three tap models that are out right now in your opinion?

1426
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 5: Oh?

1427
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: Probably Joan Smalls.

1428
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 4: She's officially number one.

1429
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 5: I'd like Jordan Done, I think she's amazing, and who

1430
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 5: else and probably like I don't know, I fucking.

1431
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: Hate those like her and be herd.

1432
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 4: I just hate. I was going to ask you about that.

1433
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 5: You already have money, please, skinny bitches not from the

1434
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 5: same background as you make that money.

1435
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 4: Instance, So is that how you feel about the.

1436
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: Kendle whatever is like, yeah, but.

1437
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

1438
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1439
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: I really like Jordan Done and I really like them,

1440
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: and I really like Joan Smalls.

1441
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1442
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 4: I used to look at her.

1443
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: I used to look at her calendar too when I

1444
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 3: was working at IMG.

1445
00:59:54,680 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: I was like, Joan, let me hold two million. I'll

1446
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 4: give it back.

1447
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: The number one model in the world. I'm not sure

1448
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: that many people know that.

1449
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well because before her it was Tom Brady's wife

1450
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 4: for like years as well.

1451
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was in everything, I think, John smiles. She

1452
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: just as she put black women on the map for sure,

1453
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: back on the map.

1454
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: No, there was.

1455
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: Well, Leila Cabetti was Lily bigbec she was big when

1456
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: I was moderan. Yeah, she's a really nice She's Ethiopian, right, Yeah,

1457
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: she's she's lovely.

1458
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 4: Ethiopian women are beautiful. Now, before we go, can you

1459
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 4: give somebody who's listening to this was maybe like I'm pretty,

1460
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 4: I want to be a model, because they're completely disregarding

1461
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 4: your things that you could be pretty something else. Can

1462
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 4: you give them some advice as to like maybe like

1463
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 4: a couple, like maybe three or four things that they

1464
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 4: can do that they might not be doing well.

1465
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: I would say, of course.

1466
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 5: The obvious things are is don't sign up to some

1467
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 5: wacky agency that you've never heard of that is asking

1468
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 5: you to put some money up up front, right, because

1469
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 5: if you.

1470
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: Heard what I just said, they will pay it all

1471
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: for you and overcharge you when you get paid.

1472
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, more legitimate ages than you will do. So

1473
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 5: it shouldn't cost you any money. Be realistic?

1474
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: Are you five foot five and two hundred pounds?

1475
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 5: Because if you are, then the way you might want

1476
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 5: a model should be maybe off your own backers and

1477
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 5: not on your back, but you know, like via Instagram

1478
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 5: or something like that might be better to get a following.

1479
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 5: If you don't hit the normal model standards and sizes,

1480
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 5: you can still model, but I would maybe, Yeah, there's

1481
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 5: other ways to do it.

1482
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 4: Now, Okay, but now what if somebody listening to this

1483
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 4: is Haitian American queen and she about twenty seven, and

1484
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: she she's skinny, and she got maybe fifty seven hundred

1485
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 4: Instagram flowers?

1486
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: What should she do? Hm?

1487
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 5: I reckon if someone like that is probably very smart

1488
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 5: and funny and she just you know, being and as

1489
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 5: all these other things and additionally beautiful as well. Maybe just.

1490
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 4: Michelle twenty seven? Yeah, Michelle, thank you so much.

1491
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 3: Wait, she said, where is the lie?

1492
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 4: Michelle?

1493
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 5: The lie?

1494
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 3: The lie is somewhere else. I'll talking about somebody listening.

1495
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 4: I wasn't even talking about anybody. So where can people

1496
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 4: find you that are listening.

1497
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: To this at the moment? I suppose you can find me?

1498
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 5: Like online, you can check out some of my documentaries

1499
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 5: on us and whatnot. And yeah, I'm going to be

1500
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 5: doing I'm doing some like festival, some live stream and

1501
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 5: ship Cali Roots Festival. Oh yeah, okay, a bunch of

1502
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 5: white people with dreadlocks, no doubt, and I'm off with

1503
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 5: a stick, can go with my head.

1504
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 4: Hey, queen, excuse me.

1505
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: Do what you can for us, Michelle, do what you can.

1506
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: What did you say the the day on stage that

1507
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: I love?

1508
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 4: Just like can't move for Dick, Oh, Dodging Dick Daily.

1509
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: That just sounds like a great news bulletin. Hello Marie

1510
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: from Dodging Dick Day.

1511
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 4: Listen.

1512
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's where I reside.

1513
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 4: I live on the corner of Dodging and Dick and

1514
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: I'm there every day, there, every single day. What's your

1515
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 4: social media?

1516
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: You can? I think why Twitter is mish this wall?

1517
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 4: Listen if you.

1518
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 3: Don't, if you don't know, if we can't help you.

1519
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: What about your Instagram, instagramdma, Michelle, this wall.

1520
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 5: It gives me anxiety. Man, follow me if you want.

1521
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 5: There's nothing that much exciting happening.

1522
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 3: You're on Facebook?

1523
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't really use it, but yeah you can listen.

1524
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 4: You can catch Michelle just outside. You can catch her outside.

1525
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: She has a bike, so she'll be bike fickling.

1526
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 4: She'd be at the club with her bike outside, so

1527
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 4: you're cocaine in the bike tires. And you catch me

1528
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 4: and Sydney every second Saturday at Caramel Lounge at our

1529
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 4: live show that Michelle has done many minute times. You

1530
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 4: can find me on Instagram at rez r e e

1531
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 4: e z y Sydney.

1532
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: You can find me at just sid BW on Instagram,

1533
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: and you can find me on just sid NYC on Twitter.

1534
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 4: You can also find Sydney at Rainbows Gotta Go Bye by,