1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: The crossroad of cultures. This is something which I find 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: very interesting, not a culture which is monolithic, but how 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: something can be enriched by the other experiences of other cultures. 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provides you with motivation, inspiration, 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: or a fresh perspective. If you have any AHA moments 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: or appreciate anything from this episode, please leave us a 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: review to let us know we're on the right track. Also, 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: we release episodes every Friday, so be sure to subscribe 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: on iTunes and visit cultivatinghurspace dot com to access our 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: exclusive after show and other bonus content from the Patreon tab. 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: women like you. 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Bussard, a call professor and psychologist. 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 5: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 5: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 5: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 5: five roids to fake friends, and create a safe space 19 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 5: where black women can just be all right lady today. 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 5: Not only do we have a special guest here in 21 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 5: cultivating her space, but we are making history. This is 22 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 5: the first time in cultivating her space history that we 23 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 5: are bridging the gap between the United States, where we're located, 24 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 5: and the motherland. So this is a very special interview 25 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 5: for us and hopefully the first of many more international connections. 26 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 5: Today we have the pleasure of speaking to Marianne loom Martin, 27 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 5: a lawyer turned world renowned boutique hotel owner. Marianne owns 28 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 5: and operates an eight acre boutique hotel called the Jannan 29 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 5: Tom and Marrakesh, Morocco, which boasts twenty four rooms, five 30 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 5: swimming pools, and a clay surface tennis court. Oh my goodness, 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 5: it sounds amazing. Guests the stay at her hotel get 32 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 5: the experience of Morocco, the traditions, the culture, all that 33 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 5: good stuff, and her clientele include the likes of Brad Pitt, 34 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 5: Tom Cruise, Giorgio Armani, and many more. Marianne's first degree 35 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 5: may have been in law, but her heart has always 36 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 5: been in architecture, design and the arts. Marianne is the 37 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 5: only black female hotel owner in Morocco, and there's so 38 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 5: much more that we could say about her, but we'll 39 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 5: let you hear from this piring black woman yourself, Marianne, 40 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 5: welcome to cultivating her Space. 41 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, ladies, thank you for having me. I'm very 42 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 2: excited about this. 43 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: Of course, we're so excited. 44 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: Yes, we cannot wait to dive into this interview. And 45 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: so we're going to with our quote of the day. 46 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: And Marianne, this quote will probably sound familiar to you 47 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: because as we were doing our research, we were reading 48 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: many articles about you and this quote just stood out 49 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: to us. So, everything that enables people to move ahead 50 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: in life begins with their ability to imagine something different, 51 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: a better world for themselves. So, marian that is one 52 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 3: of your quotes from one of your interviews over the 53 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: last couple of years, and so I'm gonna read it 54 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: one more time so that the folks can really catch this. 55 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: Everything that enables people to move ahead in life begins 56 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: with their ability to imagine something different, a better world 57 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: for themselves. So, marian when you hear your words being 58 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: reflected back to you, what comes up for you? 59 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it is true that when I speak, 60 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: I never think about it's going to stay as a quote, 61 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: you know, But this totally totally explains and expresses what 62 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: I believe in is that everything starts with the power 63 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: of imagination, and everything starts with the feeling that things 64 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: can be possible. And without imagination, you stay at the 65 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: level of the day to day life. And even if 66 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: I'm lucky enough two having had a very interesting childhood 67 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: and very interesting life where I was not struggling on 68 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: major issues, it is true that when you want to 69 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: develop your life and evolve to another level in whatever field, 70 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: it starts with thinking this is possible and this is 71 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: what I'm doing to do. 72 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 5: That is so powerful and so true. I think many 73 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 5: of us have heard that quote that says where the 74 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 5: mind goes, the body follows, So it all starts with 75 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 5: the mental. That is so beautiful. 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How did you 117 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 5: become the woman you are today? And I know that's 118 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 5: probably a loaded question, so feel free to take us 119 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 5: down the journey however you see fit. 120 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: So I have to pay tribute to my ancestors, to 121 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: my female ancestors in particular, I had an amazing mother 122 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: and an amazing grandmother, coming from an amazing father and 123 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: grandfather my grandmother, and I think that I come from 124 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: a family where there has always been black people in 125 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: a position where they were the only one for generations. 126 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: They were the only one, and they were excelling in 127 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: what they were doing. So I would say that, you know, 128 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: when people tell me, oh, it's incredible what you do, 129 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: I said, no, I was born free. What was incredible 130 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: is what they did before, which led me to where 131 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: I am now. Because the minimum that I can do 132 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: is to think about how topic has been for other 133 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: people before and consider whatever energy, whatever work I put 134 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: into I am starting with the position some did not 135 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: start from. You know, so the story I would say, 136 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: so my father from Senegal but his friend about his friend, 137 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: she lives in France, was ninety nine in April. Last April. 138 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: He's the longest living member of Paris Bar. He's a lawyer, 139 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 2: like everyone in our family. My mother passed. She was 140 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: a lawyer too, but she passed unfortunately twenty eight years ago, 141 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: way too young. From she passed from cancer. So she 142 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: was West Indian from Gradeloup, which is France, you know, 143 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: Gredloupe and Martinique. But her family has been in France 144 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: since before the First World War because her grandfather was 145 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: a congressman of Gradloup sitting in Congress in Paris, and 146 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: he was also a lawyer, and he was between his 147 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: constituency in Gretloup and sitting in France in Congress. On 148 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: her side, everyone has been a lawyer, the fourth generation, 149 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: and it started from the moment our ancestor was freed. 150 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: In one generation, his son was elected to French Congress 151 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: and became a lawyer. So I would say, what was 152 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: structuring my life and my childhood was the fact that 153 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: my very intelligent always treated me as an adult and 154 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: not as a baby. I'm the oldest of three. And 155 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: so when she got she met my father in law 156 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: school in Paris. He was teaching, he was while he 157 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: was doing his doctorate. He was teaching, and she was 158 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: a student. And it was before me too, of course, 159 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: because a professor could for in love with a student. Well, 160 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: they ended up getting married, you know. And then she 161 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: became a lawyer and they moved to Ivory Coast, where 162 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: my father had started a law firm. I was born there, 163 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: but I'm not from there. And in the sixties the 164 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: African countries became independent and my father, who had a 165 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 2: very successful law firm, was asked by both the government 166 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: of Senegal and an Ivory Coast where he was working, 167 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 2: to join the foreign affairs and he chose Senegal because 168 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: he was genetically from there and had a senegative name, 169 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: even though he had not spent so much of his 170 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: childhood there. And then our life totally changed. Well, first 171 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: of all, he said, look, I'm very happy with my 172 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 2: work and I will be a diplomat as long as 173 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: I feel like it, but I might go back to 174 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: my law from one day. So he became after training 175 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: at the French embassy in London, where we lived I 176 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: was a young child, he became the ambassador of Senegal 177 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: in Ghana, which was a very important country because of 178 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: the charisma of Hunkarmen Kroma, who was the most charismatic 179 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: leader worldwide of the new independences, whether it was in 180 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: Asia or Latin America or in Africa. He was really 181 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: a very charismatic leader. And then he was the ambassador 182 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: in Moscow, and I grew up in communists Russia, which 183 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: totally structured my way of thinking. And then he was 184 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 2: the ambassador in London, and then he decided to go 185 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: back to being a lawyer and we moved to Paris 186 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: and he started his law from there. So when I 187 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: was a child, between the age of seven to ten, 188 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: we lived in Moscow, and this has totally changed. I 189 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: think it has truly structured who I am and who 190 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: I have been since because I had three lives. I 191 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 2: had the life of a child of a diplomat. I 192 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: mean communists Russia had nothing. I mean people were eating 193 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: potatoes and cabbage and some sausage. The diplomats had more things, 194 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 2: but still we had to import fresh food from Germany, 195 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 2: you know, like vegetables and things like that. And so 196 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: I had the life of a diplomatic child. I had 197 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: the life of going back to my grandparents in Paris 198 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: and discovering the abundance of the Western world. And I 199 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: had my mother was obsessed with the fact that she 200 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: didn't want me to grow in the bubble of diplomatic kids, 201 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: who are just very often like babies, going from one 202 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: place to the other and not connected to the world 203 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: and the country they live in. And so she had 204 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: organized that on the weekend, I was a member of 205 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: the Communist Youth Party, because you had in all the 206 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: neighborhoods there were Communist centers which would call House of Pioneers, 207 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: the Pioneers of the Revolution. So of course I was 208 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: the only black kid there, but I spoke Russian, and 209 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: I had the uniform. Every weekend it was a brown 210 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: uniform with a little behet and a little red scarf 211 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: and the brooch with Lenine, Marx and Angeles. And I 212 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 2: was taking better like her class, and I was with 213 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: Russian kids. And she had also organized that at the 214 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: embassy there was a room dedicated to a little school. 215 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 2: So after the French diplomatic school, when I would come back, 216 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: there would be Russian kids also coming to play and 217 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: work with me. So I had this, I would say, 218 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: understanding of what culture means when you are coming from 219 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: different places. And for three years I was really living 220 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: three parallel world and I think this is what has 221 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: allowed me to understand that everything is possible as long 222 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: as your mind is strong. It was really really hard. 223 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: Then I'll give you an example which I think is 224 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: a very It's an anecdote, but it shows how people 225 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: can survive when they are in such an oppressive situation. 226 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: Russian people were not allowed to listen to foreign music 227 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: because it was you know, Western world, you know, so Beatles, 228 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: rolling stones, this was not allowed. It was only of 229 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: course as foreign year as we could do what we want. 230 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: But Russian people are only allowed to listen to classical music, 231 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: to Russian popular music and to Cuban music, because Cuba 232 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: was Communists, but Cuban music is not at all their culture, 233 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: you know. So I was taking piano classes, and I 234 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: had this wonderful Russian woman who is my piano teacher, 235 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: and twice a week my mother would take me to 236 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: her apartment and the windows would always be wide open, 237 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: and salsa music was blasting in the whole neighborhood. And 238 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: my mother would take me to the floor as she was, 239 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: and they would always giggle, giggle, giggle before she would 240 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: stop the music, and I would start at my class. 241 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: And I remember that after a while, asked my mother, 242 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: what's so funny, you know, and she told me, because 243 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: you know, she's listening to Puerto Rican music, but the 244 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: Communists cannot see the difference, and you have to And 245 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: she told me, you have to learn that sometimes you 246 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: are in something which seems so oppressive, but within yourself 247 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: you can find some freedom to cope with a situation, 248 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: you know. So I grew up, you know, in these 249 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: worlds of very powerful people, powerful mind, and I would 250 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: go to see my grandmother, whose life had been extraordinary, 251 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: and at the age of twenty, she had the front 252 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: cover of all the newspapers in France, and she spoke 253 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: in congress in front of six hundred old men, and 254 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: she obtained what she was asking for. And this was 255 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: in nineteen nineteen that she had the front cover of 256 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: all the newspapers. So I think that whatever I do 257 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: seems just like off. What that's a minimum I can do. 258 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: Let's say that's so, I hope I haven't been too 259 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: long answer to your question. And then I kept on 260 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: traveling because in fact, being at the crossroad of so 261 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: many cultures constantly. You know, so Senegal with our lead. 262 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: Can you imagine that I was a daughter of the 263 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: Senegalese ambassador. I had never been to Senegal until the 264 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: age of fifteen, and by then my father was back 265 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: in law. People would ask me, so how is your country, 266 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: and I would say I don't know, And my parents 267 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: were saying, look, you have all the time to go 268 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: to Senegal. Let's explore the regions where we are for 269 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: the moment. So while we were in Russia, we traveled 270 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: a lot. And also, you know, the general thing was 271 00:17:54,600 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: always about curiosity. Things are possible. We have acted says 272 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: two things. Is just a matter of deciding yourself how 273 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: hard you want things and how much you want to work. 274 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: And so when I after when we moved back to France. 275 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to become an architect since I 276 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: was a child, because I believe that architecture is the 277 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: most interesting expression of the culture of a place through 278 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: its history and combining modern times and secular culture. So 279 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: I finished high school very young, I mean at sixteen 280 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 2: instead at eighteen, and I went straight to architecture school 281 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: called the Bozard de Paris. And unfortunately, the French system 282 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: is so rigid that even though I had very good 283 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: grades and everything which mattered, which was architecture and drawings 284 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: and creativity, to get into third year you needed minor 285 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: credits in maths, physics and chemistry and I'm really bad there, 286 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: so I couldn't go to I couldn't continue. The studies 287 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: are set six seven years and I only did the 288 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: first two. So I went to law school and much 289 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 2: later became a lawyer. And the fact that I was 290 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: always passionate about culture, the crossroad of cultures. This is 291 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: something which I find very interesting, not a culture which 292 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: is monolithic, but how something can be enriched by the 293 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 2: other experiences of other cultures. Because this is what we 294 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: are ourselves, being from so many different origins and at 295 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: the same time having traveled a lot. So I was 296 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: a lawyer in France and then I had the opportunity 297 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: to discover Americ cash and to start doing my own 298 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: project and being my own architects. And this is how 299 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: one smiled to another. And here I am being antilier 300 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: in the places I designed from Atz. 301 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: Wow, your story is so amazing. 302 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. 303 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 3: So many questions are coming up for me now as 304 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: I was listening to your amazing story, and so I 305 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: think the first question that comes up for me is 306 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: you have such a cultured, well traveled origin story. And 307 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: when you think about that and think about the experiences 308 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: that you've had throughout your childhood, what would you say 309 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 3: is probably the biggest influence on how you exist in 310 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 3: the world right now? 311 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: You know, one of the I would say the biggest 312 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: influence is wanting to do things the influence. I feel 313 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: the influence of my ancestors all the time. And I 314 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: didn't tell you all the stories because it's a real book. 315 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: I think this is feeling. What I'm the product of 316 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 2: is something which is motivating me every day, but it 317 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: is something you see I have a brother and a sister. 318 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: They don't sink like me. You know, it's something that 319 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: I feel very It's maybe because I'm the oldest and 320 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: I have the influence of my mother being so into 321 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: oh you know something very important. When from the moment 322 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: we were living in Moscow, she would wake me every 323 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: day saying, now open your eyes, open your ears, and 324 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: remember everything. So it was this sense of you are 325 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 2: in the middle of an extraordinary experience and you have 326 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: to be a sponge and remember everything. And so it 327 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: has really structured my life and I think that what 328 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: is the biggest motivation now is that you see, for example, 329 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: my business has been entirely white until about four years ago. 330 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 2: So my hotel was very successful, but I never had 331 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: anybody looking like me. And then I had started having 332 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: a story in Essence and another one in Avenue, and 333 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: then it changed entirely and I started having a hotel 334 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: which is mixed and it has I always want to, 335 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: you know, there's a if. I don't know if people 336 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: believe in this or not, but people tell me there's 337 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 2: a special energy in this place where I am. And 338 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 2: I've noticed that people always come here and say that 339 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: it's a transformational experience. What the content of what we 340 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: offer in our place. So we are developing more and 341 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: more retreats and retreats led by ladies like you. Where 342 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: we do creative writing retreats, we do wellness retreats. Now 343 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 2: we're working with someone who wants to do mental health 344 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 2: retreat And she decided that she was here when Tennessee 345 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 2: and Florida we're talking about suppress seeing black history from 346 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: their books. You know, She's an African American woman, very 347 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 2: connected to the world of psychology and psychiatry, and she's 348 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: not organ She was telling me, I need all the 349 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: university professors and the practitioners looking like me to have 350 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: a space, a safe space where they can relax and 351 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: exchange and network among themselves because we are exhausted. And 352 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: so she was here when was this three months ago? 353 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: And she has booked and she's organizing a fascinating retreat 354 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: next the beginning of next year. And this is what 355 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: I think now is my purpose is to use this 356 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: tool which has de facto become a cultural space rooted 357 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: into hospitality. But I'm not there to sell room nights. 358 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: I'm really there to create amazing experience which are getting 359 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: to enrich people which are going to make them feel 360 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: there was before after I lived and shared this experience. 361 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 2: I'll give you another example. We do creative writing workshops 362 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: and the one in January, we subsidized sponsored six HBCU 363 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: students who could not have come otherwise, you know. And 364 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: one of them was coming from Morehouse, and he had 365 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: never left Georgia, he had never taken a plane. For 366 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: two days, he was a bit in a panic attack 367 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: because it's such a different space from what he's used 368 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: to be in and he had travel and we plunge 369 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: him in the heart of the old Median of Marrakesh 370 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 2: and everything and at the and then after the two 371 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: two days he felt well, very good. And at the 372 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: end of the retreat we interview people and we recorded 373 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: those who accept and he said in his interview that 374 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: this trip had changed the trajectory of his life and 375 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: it was so important for me to see that this 376 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: is a tool that we have. It's not a hotel. 377 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: It's a tool to help people to go further in 378 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 2: their own past. 379 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: That is so beautiful. I'm with you, Donald, So many 380 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 5: things are coming up for me, Marianne as you're speaking, 381 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 5: and I thought about what you said your mother shared 382 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 5: with you when you woke up, something along the lines of, 383 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 5: you know, listen, open your ears, remember everything. And what 384 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 5: I'm gaining from you, Marianne is that I know, for 385 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 5: a lot of US African Americans, we don't really have 386 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: the opportunity, especially people that came from like where I 387 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 5: came from. We don't have the opportunity to travel to 388 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 5: get exposure to different cultures. But it sounds to me 389 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 5: like seeing some world and getting exposure to things and 390 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 5: listening and just opening your heart, your ears and your 391 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 5: eyes to everything is so important and can be so impactful. 392 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 5: And I love that you also said that it's not 393 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 5: a whole hell, it's a tool so powerful. I'd love 394 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 5: to know what's required of you to run your business 395 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 5: in the way that you do it, because it sounds 396 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 5: like you're very intentional and it's not just a business. 397 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 5: It is a tool that your purpose is your destiny. 398 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 5: What's required of you? And what is a day in 399 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 5: the life of Marianne lu Martin look like these days? 400 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, I'm working on various cultural events. So when I 401 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: woke up, I woke up. I wake up quite you know, early, 402 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: like six thirty, but I work in bed for about 403 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: two hours. So I was writing text about the you 404 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: know that has to go on decks to pitch some 405 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: sponsors for two events I'm working on. And then after 406 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: that I had to super to let look at all 407 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 2: the quotes that is going out from the booking office 408 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: to see if I because I vexed a lot of things. 409 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 2: Some they do and they consent, and some I tell 410 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: them I don't want you to send it before I 411 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: check it, so it takes me thirty seconds per email. 412 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: But I was checking a lot of things, and then 413 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 2: I am working on my costume because we're getting to 414 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: have a fabulous party here. My daughter is going to 415 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 2: be dirty and she has friends flying in from all 416 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: over and we're getting to have a She has a 417 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: costume party on the scene. What did she say, heroes 418 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: and gods through history? And she wrote to her friends 419 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: that since they've been her heroes and gods, she wants 420 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: them to dress as such to come to the Marrakesh event. 421 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: So I've met with the seriously costumed. So I was 422 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 2: doing some little sketches about that, and then I went 423 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: to lunch to have lunch with a friend who's extremely 424 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: creative because we have a project in common. And then 425 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: suddenly I realized that I was going to be late 426 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: for my podcast, so I rushed back home and a 427 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 2: day in my life, and then after this podcast, I'm 428 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: going to go back to writing the decks. You know, 429 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: what I'm fascinated about is constantly creating a link between 430 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 2: African culture and our community in the US. And so 431 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: one of the things I'm working on is creating I 432 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: don't know if you heard of a man called Andrelian 433 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: Tale who was men from North Carolina, very very tall, 434 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: who was the only male ever to be the creative 435 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: director of American Vogue. And he was a black man 436 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: from North Carolina and a fascinating man. And I'm working 437 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: with some people to create a diaspora homage to him, 438 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: gathering five extremely successful African women, very connected to the US, 439 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: some having an American passport and who have been very 440 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: successful in the creative world. 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And this lady who's reaching 488 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: from Nigeria, her work was also auctioned at Christie's. And 489 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: I just got yesterday what my day looks like. I 490 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: contacted an extraordinary girl who came here once because there 491 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: was a foundation. I don't know if the foundation still exists, 492 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: which our purpose was to create a network of underprivileged 493 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: children who are students who had gone to the bed 494 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: to the Ivy League schools, because you know a lot 495 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: of the kids going there when they come out, their 496 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: dad is one phone call away from the president of 497 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: banks and companies and very easy for them to get 498 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: internships or jobs. And then you have these other kids 499 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: who have come and their family know nobody, and they 500 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: know nobody. So the purpose of this foundation was to 501 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: create a network among themselves. And they had taken over 502 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: our property because they knew that it was very much 503 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: part of our own values, and there were many of them. 504 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: We had packed created dorms. There were three four per room. 505 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: And I stayed in touch with an incredible woman who 506 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: had gone Princeton and Warriston, and she has a very 507 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: successful shop shoe collection and she has elevated the crafts 508 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: of Senegalese craftsmen. She's selling all over. Her products are 509 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: Beyonce approved and originally she's from Cameroon. Her parents were 510 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: migrants from Cameroon, and she's going to when I told her, look, 511 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: I need you. I'm gathering amazing black women, each in 512 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: a different disci plan. We're getting to create this desper 513 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: homage to this man who was extraordinary. Can you imagine 514 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: a man from North Carolina being working was done a 515 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: frieland and being the most connected men in fashion for years, 516 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: you know. And so she's super excited and she's joining, 517 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: and I also have other extraordinary women joining. And this 518 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: is something that I feel very passionate about. 519 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 3: And a loss for words and so amazed all that 520 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 3: you were doing and all of the connections that you 521 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 3: are making. And I love this idea of connecting the 522 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 3: mother Lay and Africa to the US. And so when 523 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 3: I think about all that you're doing and all that 524 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: it takes as a mental health professional, like one of 525 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: the things that comes up from me is i'm listening 526 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 3: to you, is what do you do to take care 527 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: of yourself? Because you are constantly pouring into As I 528 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 3: listen to you, talk about your day. You are constantly 529 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 3: pouring into everyone else. So what do you do to 530 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 3: take care of you? 531 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's like my husband or daughter a daily question 532 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 2: to me, Well I should. Last year I did well. 533 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 2: I took three weeks to go to the French Alps 534 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: and do a kind of spa holiday. But you know, 535 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: I know I should. I should take better care of myself, exercise, 536 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: lose weight, all of that. That's for sure. I'm very 537 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 2: conscious of that, especially because I live in a very 538 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 2: healthy family where my husband, daughter and son are taking 539 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: very good care of themselves. But I'm so passion about 540 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: what I do, and I'm so convinced that if I 541 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: don't do it, who is going to do it? Because 542 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 2: I'm in the crossroad of so many networks, and I 543 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 2: have a different vision on things because I'm a plural 544 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: I have different identities, you know. I'm French and I'm 545 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: Caribbean and I'm Sneglese and I live there and there's 546 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 2: three religion in our family, you know. And so if 547 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 2: I don't, I'm in a position where I feel it's 548 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 2: my duty to make things move forward. You know, it's 549 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 2: beyond a mission, because you can have a mission you 550 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: can have a mission, but for me, it's a duty 551 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 2: because I know that I can do things in a 552 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: way that other people would not do it, but once 553 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 2: it's done, they are very happy to participate. So how 554 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: do I take good care of myself? I think I 555 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 2: take good care of my mind because it needs to 556 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: be constantly busy, but I admit that I don't take 557 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 2: enough care of my body. 558 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 5: I think we appreciate your honesty and transparency, Mariam, because 559 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 5: we are all work in progress, I think when it 560 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 5: comes to that, right, But I will say, after just 561 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 5: hearing the conversation and what you shared, it sounds like 562 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 5: mindset is so important wherever we want to go in life. 563 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 5: Focusing on the mindset even before we get our body 564 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 5: to get in motion to where we want to go. 565 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 5: Getting this together, it sounds like exposure, exposure to the world, 566 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 5: exposure to culture. That's also really important, just having exposure 567 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 5: to get your creative juices flowing. I would also say 568 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 5: passion is what I hear from you, like you talked 569 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 5: about and then before we started recording, you said, oh, 570 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 5: it's not usual that my day ends for midnight, but 571 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 5: you sounded excited about that, like you're working in bed 572 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 5: for two hours before you really get up. So passion, 573 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 5: having passion, but also it sounds like legacy is important 574 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 5: to you, so ensuring that cultures progress and stories are 575 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 5: remembered and honored. So when it comes to legacy, Marian, 576 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 5: how do you want to be remembered? We often talk 577 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 5: about legacy on the podcast and the legacy we live 578 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 5: on we leave on the world. How do you want 579 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 5: to re remember and how do you want people to 580 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 5: think about you and talk about you when your time 581 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 5: to transition comes on. 582 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 2: I hope that I will have done my main project, 583 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 2: which is not done yet, and be remembered for that. 584 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 2: So with the coming of people looking like me in 585 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 2: my hotel and realizing how they just are expressing signs 586 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 2: of relief that they know there will be no microaggressions here, 587 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 2: that people they will be seen, they will be well 588 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 2: taken care of. I started studying you know what's going on? 589 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 2: And then I discovered that the black dollar in two 590 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 2: between two twenty eighteen and in twenty nineteen had spent 591 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 2: on the Leisum travel market. I think it went from 592 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 2: sixty eight billion dollars to one hundred and twenty nine. 593 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 2: So what it means is that and then you know 594 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 2: to stop by the pandemic, but it's gone full blast again. 595 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 2: What it means is that even though you know, America 596 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 2: continues to be so full of racial issues, and even 597 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 2: though the fact that a lot of microaggressions are continuing 598 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 2: when people travel in other countries, there's still one hundred 599 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 2: and twenty nine billion dollars going to enrich people, and 600 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 2: so many of them don't like us. So my main concern, 601 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: even though I'm I'm not thinking that I'll ever be 602 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 2: able to tackle that at this scale, is that I'm 603 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 2: working on creating a black owned boutique hotel brand which 604 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 2: would be so he connected to our culture, which will 605 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 2: be like living a Harlem Renaissance thing, because there's always 606 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 2: two or three creatives in residents, whether they're writers, painters, musicians, 607 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 2: they focus, We give them room and board, they focus 608 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 2: on their work, but at drinks and dinner time they 609 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 2: mingle with the guests who are interested. Of course, so 610 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 2: the hotels under this brand will have a permanent sense 611 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 2: of being in a cultural salon where you are meeting 612 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 2: extraordinary people. But you know, I'm not inventing anything. This 613 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 2: is how our places has been operating all the time 614 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 2: because we attract really interesting people. But when I see, 615 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 2: for example, Danish or Norwegian clients dancing on Bernard Boy 616 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 2: from Nigeria, When I see, you know, how people bond 617 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 2: and connect around the pool here, I realize that there 618 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 2: are tons of people for whom black culture is attractive 619 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: like a magnet. And when I see that people looking 620 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 2: like us continue to enrich people who don't like us, 621 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 2: there's an issue. You know, when I hear that recently 622 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 2: there was a group of African American women traveling. They 623 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 2: were not staying here because they needed to be in 624 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 2: a big hotel. There were one hundred people. When they 625 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 2: told me the level of microaggression they faced, it really 626 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 2: enraged me. So this my if I want to be remembered, 627 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 2: is I want to be the one starting this black 628 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 2: owned Buisque hotel brand celebrating our culture, the warms of 629 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,760 Speaker 2: Black hospitality. It is by us, we own the narrative, 630 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: but it is for all and it has nothing to 631 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 2: do with you know, if you do some research, you 632 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 2: find out there's just some my be some successful African 633 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 2: American entrepreneur who own shares of a big group a 634 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 2: hotel by an airport belonging to one of the big 635 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: hotel group. But this is not black hospitality, it's just business. 636 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 2: No one knows that it's there's a black shareholder. What 637 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 2: I want to do is create this brand with outposts 638 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 2: around the world and starting with expanding Morocco, where people 639 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 2: if they book that they know that they will live 640 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 2: a different experience and that it's black owned and that's 641 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 2: supporting the community, and that it is giving jobs and 642 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 2: opportunities to all these young black kids going to university 643 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 2: are not sometimes finding any internships that there's I want 644 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 2: to create this brand where people know that it was 645 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 2: done to give them opportunities. 646 00:42:54,040 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, thank you so much. So that legacy is 647 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 3: just amazing, just beautiful. And I wish more of us 648 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 3: would think along those lines. 649 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 4: Right. 650 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 3: And I know that our listeners, because you mentioned the 651 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 3: Black Travel Dollar, I know that our listeners bend their 652 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 3: coins on travel. Yes, So can you tell our listeners 653 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 3: exactly where they can find you and how they can 654 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 3: book accommodations with you. 655 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 2: So for the moment, I'm in Marrakesh. My hotel is 656 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 2: called Tom Snott j N A N E burther Tom 657 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 2: Snott something else. I would say that the brand will 658 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 2: be called Non Hotels j n a N because Jnan 659 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,439 Speaker 2: means garden of paradise in Arabic, and our ancestors were 660 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 2: taken away from their gardens to go and enrich other 661 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 2: people's gardens and us now we own our gardens again, 662 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 2: and we have this proud connection to nature again, and 663 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 2: we invite the whole world to share our gardens. So 664 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 2: this is why I want the brand to be coached 665 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 2: non Now for the moment, I have my place, but 666 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 2: I'm raising I'm working on raising capital to develop the brand, 667 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 2: so I'm not there yet. But when you were talking 668 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 2: about what you I would like my legacy to be, 669 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 2: I would like my legacy to be when I hope 670 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 2: rendition in many years, because I still have a lot 671 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,280 Speaker 2: to do. I'm not ready. I wanted to be remembered. 672 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 2: I want to be remembered as a person who did that. 673 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 5: Well, Marian, we honor you, and we want to be 674 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 5: in agreement with you that this is going to be 675 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 5: many years down the line where we try. We all 676 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 5: have too much work to do. We got to be here, 677 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 5: we have too much work to do. But Marian, we 678 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 5: honor you, we celebrate you. We appreciate you for all 679 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 5: that you've done for our community, for the people that 680 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 5: are in your local community. And we just want to 681 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,399 Speaker 5: make sure that people can tap into you and your 682 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 5: boutique hotels. So how can they connect with you and 683 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 5: follow you as you raise capital and build these goals? 684 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 2: So they can They can follow us on Instagram j 685 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 2: n A n E t A ms n A. They 686 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 2: can follow us on Instagram and they can send me 687 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 2: private message and then we can start discussing and I 688 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 2: will give them my email and we can you know, 689 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 2: because I mean, I honestly think that everybody should ship 690 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 2: in this because everybody will get a return on that. 691 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 2: And the more we are putting together capital to develop that, 692 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 2: it's you know, it's not going to put money on 693 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 2: the stock market where they don't care about you. You know, 694 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 2: it's investing in ourselves. It's investing in creating spaces which 695 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 2: are gain to help develop blackwells. You know. So the 696 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 2: more the merrier. 697 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 5: We received that, Amen, Marian. We appreciate you for your 698 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 5: time and your energy, and we will speak this into existence. 699 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,280 Speaker 5: We will be meeting you one day in person in Marocco. 700 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 5: We are speaking it. Yes, we are going to We're sold. 701 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 5: We have to, we have to come visit. So we 702 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 5: appreciate you. Thank you so much for your time, Marian, 703 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 5: and we will definitely be in touch. 704 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 2: Wonderful. Thank you. 705 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 4: Hey, lady, it's doctor dom here from the Cultivating her 706 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 4: Space podcast. 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