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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome in.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Thorne Eistram, joined as always by Mike

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Speaker 2: Farrell of Mike Farrell Sports. You guys all know us

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Speaker 2: from our live Saturday morning shows in the fall where

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Speaker 2: we go through all of our picks, the totals and sides,

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Speaker 2: the props and everything.

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Speaker 1: This fall, we have something special for you.

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Speaker 2: Mike and I are also going to be joining you

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Speaker 2: midweek on the podcast to go over the games a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit sooner in the week.

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Speaker 2: Put it out there, give you some takes, maybe be

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Speaker 2: able to get some of these games earlier before some

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Speaker 2: of these lines is shifted, sort of set the table

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Speaker 2: for this Saturday live show. Mike, we are within days

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Speaker 2: now of week zero kickoff and college football being back

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Speaker 2: in our lives.

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Speaker 1: How excited are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm ready?

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Speaker 4: Week zero was always like, man to me, you know,

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Speaker 4: there really aren't any good games, competitive games, but it

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Speaker 4: gets you ready. I mean, I'm already look into week one.

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Speaker 4: So I'll be honest with you. I'm excited to have

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Speaker 4: actual you know, hitting and helmets, and I just never

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Speaker 4: get too high on Week zero.

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Speaker 3: I know you do because you're nuts, but.

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Speaker 1: You better believe it.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of games in here that I think

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Speaker 2: are going to be frisky fun to watch. Not of

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Speaker 2: top twenty five teams, but I think we're gonna get

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Speaker 2: a couple of good ones this coming Saturday. Let's start

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Speaker 2: with one that probably won't be as competitive, the Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame and Navy game in Ireland. Right now live, we

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Speaker 2: have a line of Notre Dame minus twenty and a half.

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Speaker 2: There's also I have to note an interesting line movement

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Speaker 2: here over the last twenty four hours yesterday. If you

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Speaker 2: follow me on the betting pros app and anyone out

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Speaker 2: there that doesn't, you should follow me. You'll get my

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Speaker 2: picks right when I put them in everything. I locked

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Speaker 2: in fifty one and a half the under on fifty

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Speaker 2: one and a half in this game. In the last

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours, the total on this game has dropped

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Speaker 2: from fifty one and a half till forty nine as

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Speaker 2: reports have come in about the weather and maybe the

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Speaker 2: was a little bit high. That's certainly what I think

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Speaker 2: Mike sides totals on this game.

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Speaker 1: What catches your eye?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, normally in a Navy Notre Dame matchup,

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Speaker 4: you know, mid season. I always lean towards Navy because

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Speaker 4: they give Notre Dame problems. They're very hard to scheme

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Speaker 4: the roster talent of Notre Dame is often negated by

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Speaker 4: the scheme of Navy. But this is the off season.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they've had plenty of time to prepare for

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Speaker 4: this game. They're not going to have to go from

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Speaker 4: you know, defending an air raid offense into what Navy

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Speaker 4: and the roster talent will take over. So I want

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Speaker 4: to emphasize that if this were a mid season game,

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Speaker 4: I would like, you know, to go Navy side covering

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Speaker 3: And I don't care if it's in Ireland. I don't

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're gonna play any harder because they're

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Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, when you're.

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Speaker 4: Talking about the talent level, especially on the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 3: They're going to run the football.

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Speaker 4: You know, They're going to get Sam Hartman into the

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Speaker 1: I think your point is really well taken of.

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Speaker 2: There is a decided difference between playing a team like

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Speaker 2: laying the points, although if I had to choose a side,

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Speaker 2: But my system's total on this game is forty five.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned that when I know my interlude, my lead

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Speaker 2: But I don't need the weather for this game to

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a big thing. Again.

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Speaker 2: They promoted him from tight ends coach. Then Sam Hartman

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Speaker 2: They're not going to be stopping the clock no more

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Speaker 2: You look into this thing, three to five minutes off

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Speaker 2: Even at the forty nine that it's at, I'd still

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Speaker 2: So that's the one I like. We'll talk more about

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Speaker 2: Another interesting game here, but way out in the weeds,

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Speaker 2: we have rich Rodd's debut, or Jacksonville's state's debut, I

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Speaker 2: Now he's taken over the the you know, last year

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Speaker 2: Two years ago, Jacksonville State before one year before Rich

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Speaker 2: They were five and six heading into the finale against UTSA,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, Mike, what do you think about this game

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Speaker 2: with Right now UTUP is around the marketplace either minus

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a It's a tough game to call because

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Speaker 4: in rich Rodriguez, a very difficult offense to defend. Always,

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Speaker 4: you know, he's always kept defenses off balanced. Last year,

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Speaker 4: you know, when you look at every game they played

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Speaker 3: Over forty numerous times.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think his offensive scheme is not

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Speaker 4: you can try to, you know, watch film, game plan for.

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Speaker 3: It, but he's going to come up with a few

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Speaker 4: That being said, they didn't play anybody really good, and

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Speaker 4: you know, a couple of teams like Tulsa actulutely destroyed

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Speaker 4: him last year. And I know they had a quarterback issue,

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Speaker 4: but I'm leaning towards UTEP here just because of their

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Speaker 4: too soon a step up for Jacksonville State to pull

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Speaker 4: I thought it would be more, you know, three and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my line in this game is UTEP minus four

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Speaker 2: Absolutely enormous for UTEP having a playmaker like that, and

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Speaker 2: Even if the secondary still stinks, it ain't gonna matter

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Speaker 2: New Mexico State is only favored by six and a

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Speaker 3: I'm a big Don Brown guy.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean I like you, Matt Doctor Blitz, Mike,

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Speaker 4: You know, he was at Maryland Yukon, obviously Boston College, Michigan.

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Speaker 4: mass is a horrible, horrible football team. They're gonna get

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Speaker 4: a little bit better on him, but they're still awful.

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Speaker 4: They're they should never be within a touchdown of anybody.

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Speaker 4: And listen, I'm not a big New Mexico State fan either.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're good, but they're much better than

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Speaker 4: I would still hammer hammer New Mexico State lay in

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Speaker 4: six and a half, and I love that number. I mean,

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Speaker 5: There are certain teams and it didn't work out for

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Speaker 4: But UMass is a consistently horrible football team. And I'm

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Speaker 3: You know, in all twelve.

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Speaker 4: Games you're at least going to go eight and four,

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to chuck up you fading Yukon throughout last

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Speaker 2: season to residual Randy Edzel hate you just hadn't gotten.

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Speaker 1: Over to the everything like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't disagree with you about U massive

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Speaker 2: Fluke what happened to him? So New Mexico State Jerry

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Speaker 2: Kill's first season, they start out zero to four, which

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Speaker 2: They end up winning the ball game. Here was the

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Speaker 2: Hawaii was one of the fbs's worst teams. Beat New

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Speaker 2: in my humble estimation. Then they beat FCS Lamar in

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Speaker 2: New Mexico State was one of the four lucky opponents

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Speaker 2: State applied for a waiver to play an opponent in

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Speaker 2: So now we're six and six, and then the NCAA

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Speaker 2: playing this Bowling Green team that stunk to Bowling Green

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Speaker 2: was not nearly as good as their record. New Mexico

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Speaker 2: State beats them. That's how they finished seven and six.

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Speaker 2: Fraudulent team. They I don't expect it's on this.

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Speaker 3: Show win the bowl game.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, and I made a lot of

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Speaker 2: uh not a pawn show, I don't. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm going one side or the other.

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Speaker 2: I just have to give a PSA to people out

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Speaker 2: circling around U mess in this game, Mike. Before we

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Speaker 2: just like it is in real life. So make a

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Speaker 2: Moving on to the second part of our slate, we

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Speaker 2: get the people out of here.

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Speaker 1: This one.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to watch San Diego State and Ohio

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Speaker 2: very frisky teams. Right now live we have a line

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Speaker 2: He was out there in springblall in his pats like

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Speaker 1: But Rourke is back. He will play in this game.

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Speaker 2: You're pretty close to a pick him here. Mike, I'm

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Speaker 2: curious what you think about this one. The Aztecs and

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Speaker 3: Well, because Rook's playing. I like the Bobcats. He's you know, he's.

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Speaker 4: The difference maker. So, you know, a little preview to

436
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 4: Utah Florida. You know, I don't I care if Cam

437
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 4: Rising playing, but I still think Utah is a more

438
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 4: well run in football team than Florida. I think they

439
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 4: have a running game that's gonna wear down Florida. I'm

440
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 4: not not as concerned as people are that Cam Rising

441
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 4: is not going to play in that football game. If

442
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 4: he does, if he doesn't, if Curtis Rourke doesn't play

443
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 4: in this football game, there's major concern because he was

444
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 4: the masion they were good last season. It's seventy percent

445
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 4: of his passes, you know, twenty one tds, you know,

446
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 4: Mac Offensive Player of the Year. I've got him ranked.

447
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 4: I was just looking it up while you were talking.

448
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 4: I've got him ranked, you know, twenty sixth quarterback in

449
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 4: the country. Now, that doesn't sound like a big deal,

450
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 4: but it is because I got him, had a Joe Milton,

451
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 4: I got him, and Dylan Gabriel, I got him, head

452
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 4: of Will Rogers. I mean, he's a really, really good

453
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 4: quarterback and he makes all the difference for them. San

454
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 4: Diego State last year was they were okay. They disappointed

455
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 4: a little bit to me because they're always one of

456
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 4: those teams that I think is on the cusp of

457
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 4: Power five and maybe they'll be in the new Pac

458
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 4: twelve or maybe they'll get picked up by something, and

459
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 4: they always have good roster talent.

460
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 3: But I didn't like what I saw last year. They

461
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: played down to some teams.

462
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 4: They didn't really have as explosive an offense as as

463
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 4: I would have liked, and then their defense. I think

464
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 4: he can pick them apart. So I'm going with Ohio

465
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 4: because of Curtis work. That was a big announcement that

466
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 4: came this week. He's gonna play. That means he's ready.

467
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 4: They're not going to trot him out there for the

468
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 4: first game of the season if he's not one hundred

469
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 4: percent uh, And he's the guy that I'm leaning towards

470
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 4: to cover the spread.

471
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 2: So I love this story of Rourke coming back, and

472
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: I think Ohio's offense, assuming he plays twelve games, is

473
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: legitimately nasty, right like you have Rourke Bengora is one

474
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: of the best G five running backs. And then Sam

475
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: wig Loose the wig Lewis is Looise. He broke out

476
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: last season too. They have all kinds of weapons on offense.

477
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: The offensive line is a slight question mark, so it'll

478
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 2: be interesting to see what, you know, how San Diego State,

479
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, sort of approaches that are we gonna see

480
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: more pressure, especially with Rourke coming in his first game,

481
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: coming off with that injury. I think you're gonna see

482
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: Rourke staying back in the pocket more.

483
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: Well. I have a couple of props of Rourke in

484
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: my pocket that has to do with this.

485
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: We'll talk we're about on Saturday, but I think you're

486
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: gonna be looking at him throwing more bangor obviously what

487
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: will handle the load in the run game. I think

488
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: San Diego State's secondary is going to be a decent

489
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: bit better this year than it was last year. It

490
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: returns all five starters along some of the other levels

491
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: of the defense. San Diego State doesn't return as many guys.

492
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: That could lead to potentially a bigger game for ban Goora.

493
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: But like Rourke regularly, you know you're afraid of his

494
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: legs as well as his arm.

495
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: He's a playmaker all around.

496
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: I'm just curious to see him this first game back

497
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: and see, you know how sound that that knee is

498
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: is going to be as mobile as he was whatever,

499
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: but at fall strength that the Ohio Ohio team is interesting.

500
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: Nine returning starters on offense, six returning starters on defense.

501
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: Mentioned how good Rourke was last year and and and

502
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: all this stuff that they have there Ohio, though they

503
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 2: do have issues in the secondary. So this is going

504
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: to be an interesting one where San Diego State brings

505
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: in Ryan Linley over the offseason, you know, to be

506
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: their offensive coordinator. Can he sny improvement out of Maiden

507
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: the quarterback for San Diego State As a thrower, we

508
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: know that Maiden is a really really gifted scrambler. Obviously,

509
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: converted from safety to quarterback in the middle of last

510
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: season was one of the best stories that no one

511
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: talked about.

512
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: San Diego State started two.

513
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: To three and they couldn't move the ball at all

514
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: on offense, and then at the end of the season

515
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: they went five and two after Maiden took over down

516
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: the stretch in the regular season. This one will be interesting.

517
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: My number on in San Diego State minus six. I

518
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: have not pulled the trigger on either side because some

519
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: of these things in the ether that just sort of

520
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: makes you a little bit trepidacious, but we'll see if

521
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: I get there by Saturday. Mike, moving on to our

522
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: other elite team that is playing on Saturday. They're not

523
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: playing an e Leite opponent, but we do have some

524
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: gambling stuff to hit on here. USC right now in

525
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: the market place, a thirty one point favorite with their

526
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: defending Heisman champion, Heisman winner, I should say, playing San

527
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: Jose State, a team that last a whole lot of

528
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 2: defense over the offseason, a whole lot this set. What's

529
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 2: up as a potential Caleb Willia bazooka stat game? What

530
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: do you think about this game? Is there any side

531
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: that you'd take in this one? Or is this a

532
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: sit back and watch for you?

533
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: I mean I pretty much take every game just because

534
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm a degenerate. I lean towards USC not a lot.

535
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't go big on this one. I

536
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 4: think they're going to cover that number.

537
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

538
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: And the reason being is what you reference this is

539
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 4: how much standos they stayed lost.

540
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's just hard to recover, you.

541
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 4: Know, from that type of loss, especially when you're heading

542
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 4: in against the the you know, the braining Heisman champ.

543
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 4: They've got some new weapons that they've brought in there.

544
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 4: They're supposed to be improved. You know, at least the

545
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: offensive line will be solid. I think they'll be able

546
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 4: to run the football. He's got the targets. I think

547
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 4: Dorien Singer is actually going to be a step up

548
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 4: from Jordan Aison. I know I shouldn't say that because

549
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 4: Jordan Aison's on your beloved Vikings and he's gout of

550
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 4: the world. But I think Dorian Singer is going to

551
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 4: be even better. The defense isn't going to be good,

552
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 4: so I think they will give up some points, but

553
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: to me, you know, I think they're gonna ring fifty

554
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 4: to fifty five on them and cover this line pretty easily,

555
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: just because San Jose State's not gonna be able to

556
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 4: stop them.

557
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: There's just no way they're gonna be able to score

558
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: them down.

559
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Spartans there, they only return five starters on defense.

560
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: Three of them do come in the secondary, which I

561
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: suppose you would call the strength of the defense.

562
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: But I think this defense is gonna stink is going

563
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: to be terrible this year.

564
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: They lost all their best players over the offseason, for

565
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: Hooko being you know, the top name. They also lost

566
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: Kate Hall, the pass rusher. On the other side, San

567
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: Jose State's pass rush was pretty dang good last year.

568
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: It gave people problems. Obviously, Folloco is a guy that

569
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: the NFL liked everything like that. Now those guys are gone,

570
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: you have very little experience returning in that front seven.

571
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: And by the way, so their linebackers four projected starting linebackers,

572
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: they averaged less than two hundred and twenty pounds a piece.

573
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: So you have this very small linebacking cord. Their defensive

574
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: line is also small. This defense is gonna stink the

575
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: only so but here's where it gets interesting. I think

576
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: USC can basically name the score on offense, but I

577
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: think San Jose State's offense can give USC's defense some

578
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: trouble as well. USC defense it's done last year as well.

579
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: It's just it had a lot of turnover luck. They

580
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: ended up turning teams over and whatnot.

581
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: Like they're not gonna be able to do that luck.

582
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: And now Makai Blackman's gone, right, I mean, you know,

583
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: Makai Blackman was one of the best Power five corners

584
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: last year, our best corners in the nation.

585
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: He's gone. You wonder if if some of that stuff.

586
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: If it flips and the turnover luck, it goes the

587
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: complete other way, Like the defense wasn't good before. If

588
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: it goes the other way, you could be in for

589
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: a sharp decline. And if they haven't learned how to

590
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: tackle over the offseason, that's where San Jose State could post.

591
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: The offense could be pesky and just keep moving. Because

592
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: San Jose State's offense they don't run the ball a ton,

593
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, outside of Cordero scrambling around. You know, they

594
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: give the Robinson kid, they give him some carries. I

595
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: expect a little bit more in this game against the

596
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: USC front seven that I don't trust at all.

597
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: They're not very physical.

598
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: But what San Jose State's offense really good at, and

599
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: they returned nine starters, it's the paper cut stuff, it's

600
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: the efficiency stuff.

601
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: They don't turn the ball over.

602
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: It's just that quick hitting passing game, you know, every

603
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: single time whatever. And then they put the ball into

604
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: space and they force you to tackle. That actually composed

605
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: a problem for USC. So we'll get into it more

606
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: on Saturday, if we like a total or a side.

607
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: I haven't bet this one yet. I do have some

608
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: prop tickets and I will be betting more props to

609
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: this one because I think a lot of yards on

610
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball are gonna be put up

611
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: in this one. Maybe some sneaky prop numbers for San

612
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: Jose State potentially. Again, we'll get back to that one

613
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: on Saturday.

614
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 4: I do trend towards the other because I think this

615
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: is like a this is a potential fifty eight to

616
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 4: twenty four football game.

617
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it could be, yeah, absolutely.

618
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: You know, running clock and all that, and you know,

619
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 4: perhaps less scoring. But I think this is one where

620
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: you know, USC can't be stops. There's absolutely no way

621
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: they're gonna be stopped unless they turn the ball over

622
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: and then turnover. You know, ratio they had last year

623
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: isn't going to repeat. I mean, it's just too they

624
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 4: were too fortunate in that regard. But you know, Cordero

625
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: is a very talented quarterback. They do have Robinson that

626
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: they can score points if they put up twenty plus.

627
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: I still think don't think they cover thirty and a

628
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: half because I think USC is gonna put up fifty plus.

629
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: But that over sixty six is a little low to

630
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: me too. But we'll see where.

631
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: It is on Saturday.

632
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: But right now, I would lean towards USC covering in

633
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: a high scoring game, like you said.

634
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guarantee people out there, I'm gonna have a

635
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: lot of prop angles on this game on Saturday, So

636
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: tune back in for that one, Mike. Last game that

637
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: we're going to discuss on this pod is Hawaiian Vanderbilt.

638
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: A game that's sort of interesting because the Timmy Changing

639
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: era you know as a head coach, kicked off last

640
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: season where Hawaii hosted Vanderbilt and Hawaii just got absolutely

641
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: dropkick to that game was sixty three to ten.

642
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Then they got dropt kick in the next game too.

643
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: Hawaii actually after that they turned into like like you know,

644
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: you know, outside of the public spotlight and under the radar,

645
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: turned into one of the best, the nation's best against

646
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: the spread teams down the stretch last eleven games. Are

647
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: you ready for this that Hawaii went nine to two

648
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: against the spread after they got decked in those first

649
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: two games. Now Hawaii's traveling to Vanderbilt.

650
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: They got a.

651
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: Shot here for maybe some revenge at seventeen and a

652
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: half point underdogs, or at least maybe the ambush a

653
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt team that had no problem just slapping them around

654
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: last year.

655
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: What do you think about this game in deevny angles.

656
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 4: You know, I obviously loved you against the spread the

657
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: way Hawaii covered last year.

658
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: At the end, there were a horrible football team.

659
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: They weren't an example of a team where you just

660
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: bet against and you're going to win money. It was

661
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: the opposite of that. You know, you bet against, so

662
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: why you lost a ton of money? That being said,

663
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: this is not a good matchup for them. It wasn't

664
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: a good matchup for them last year. They're going to Vanderbilt. Now,

665
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 4: I know Vanderbilt doesn't have a football stadium or a

666
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: home crowd.

667
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: That's not the factor. I mean, and even when they

668
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: do the construction that's a it's a pretty much close

669
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: to a high school stadium. It's it's just awful. You know.

670
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: We know why Vanderbilts in the SEC. And it's not

671
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: because of the facilities or the win losses. I mean,

672
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: they were five and seven last year, which was really good.

673
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: They're feeling themselves a little bit. You know, at the

674
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: end of the season they played pretty well except for

675
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: you know, a couple of blowout losses. But that being said,

676
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: I mean Hawaii's got to travel to this one. You know,

677
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: Vanderbilt knows how to beat them. They know how to

678
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: beat them badly. You could do all.

679
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: The revenge tour stuff you want.

680
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: If this line were twenty five, I'd be like, okay,

681
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: you know, but seventeen and a half to me is

682
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: too low. And I think we're going to disagree on

683
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: this because I have a sneaking suspicion you are a

684
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: rainbow guy in this one.

685
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: But I just don't see it.

686
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: I think there's a confidence around Vanderbilt, not not you know,

687
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 4: any sort of confidence that they should have. You know,

688
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: when they were under James Franklin and they were winning

689
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: nine games and they felt like they could play with anybody.

690
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: But the fact that they had a couple.

691
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: Of big wins last season, they didn't embarrass themselves and

692
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: go three and nine, that Derek Mason days are over,

693
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: there's a little confidence in this team. I think they're

694
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 4: going to drub them again, especially at home. I think

695
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: they're going to beat them. Like I said, if this

696
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: was twenty five, I don't know what your adjusted line is,

697
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: but to me, when I looked at this game, I

698
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: would think in my head and I don't.

699
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: Do all the math stuff you do with the adjusted lines.

700
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, this has got to be you know, three

701
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: touches in a few.

702
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: And it's not. It's low. I'm mashing Vanderbilt.

703
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: Man the disrespect for the fighting Timmy changs. Yeah, my

704
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: adjusted line on this game is Hawaii, like you know,

705
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt minus twelve point eight. So I do think there's

706
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: line value on Hawaii, particularly within the context of how

707
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: well they played down the stretch, which you know was

708
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: part because they fought and fought and fought, and they

709
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: kept some of those games close against you know, the

710
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: favorite opponents, kept fighting even though it was a last

711
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: season where they finished three to ten. But it was

712
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: also the quarterback play improved. The Brendan Schrager kid. First

713
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: month of the season, I don't think he threw for

714
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: a touchdown. But the rest of the season and then

715
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: you know, the last eight games, nine games whatever, he

716
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: was way better. I think it was thirteen to six

717
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: td I and T ratio after you know, he's stunk

718
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year. You know, I had

719
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: the zero to four td I and T ratio the

720
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: first three or four games something like that. I like

721
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: that particularly in this matchup where Vanderbilt secondary stinks and

722
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: they didn't do anything to improve it.

723
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: Last year.

724
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: They were won twenty six in the nation in pass defense.

725
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: Uh Hawaii all off season. So they have the Tayland

726
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: hid Heinz kid, who's like this little scatback guy and

727
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: last year he averaged cheven point six yards per carry.

728
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: He's very hard to get your hands on. That kid.

729
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: Hawaii over the offseason did something really interesting practicing this

730
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: kid in the slot and moving them around. They're gonna

731
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: do all kinds of interesting things to manufacture touches for

732
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: that kid and different stuff like that. I think he's

733
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: gonna be a Paul's a real problem here for this

734
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt defense. Vanderbilt's defense, they do return some guys, but again,

735
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: the you know, the pass defense stinks. They finished hundred

736
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: and twenty fourth in scoring last year and they lost

737
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: Anthony Orgy, the best you know linebacker.

738
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: They had the tackle machine kid.

739
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: And then one other thing to keep in mind, the

740
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: aj Swan kid, the quarterback. He's got a big arm.

741
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: The young kid that Vanderbilt's going with the QB. Now

742
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: he puts the ball up for grabs a lot there's

743
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: a lot of in In fact, he probably should have

744
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: turned the ball over more than he ended up doing

745
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: last season. Hawaii's strength on defense, it's in the secondary.

746
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: Their secondary is actually pretty good, especially because they got

747
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: cam Stone from Wyoming, a very surprising portal edition cam

748
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: Stone preseason Jim Thorpe Watch Lister. So that's not the

749
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: part of the Hawaii defense that you want to be attacking.

750
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: You want to attack their front seven. Unfortunately for Vanderbilt,

751
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: Ray Davis walked out that door this offseason and went

752
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: to Kentucky. I don't know what they're going to be

753
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: doing at running bets. They didn't really do much to

754
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: address that. The strength of Vanderbilt's offense, it's through that

755
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: passing game. That is the one thing that I know

756
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: that Hawaii will be able to address. So I think

757
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: we got a bit of a disagreement.

758
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: I want to give you your numbers.

759
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: I mean, you talked about the improvement and all this

760
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: other stuff, and you know they were down the stretch.

761
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 4: They still were ninety ninth in the country in passing

762
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: yards per game, eighty seventh and rushing one hundred and

763
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: fifteenth in points scored, scorrible fourth in points given up.

764
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: So all the improvement that we talk about here, they

765
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: still stink. They're still bad.

766
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna be better this year, Mike, and watch out

767
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: for Hines. Heines.

768
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: Heines is gonna be a problem here for Vanderbilt. I think,

769
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: are you gonna move them around to get good?

770
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: Problem?

771
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, seventeen and a half. I'm laying seventeen. I'll

772
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 3: take that, and you're justice down to twelve point eight.

773
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, did Vanderbilt not win a few

774
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: games in the SEC last year? I just don't get it.

775
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 4: I don't understand why, why he stinks. So I'm gonna,

776
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna We're gonna have this interesting debate all year long.

777
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: If you're why.

778
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we'll continue this debate on Saturday, but we've

779
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: run out of time for today.

780
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: Everybody. Thanks for joining us.

781
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,120
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782
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,360
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783
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,120
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784
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,880
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785
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: go over the props, everything sort of empty the clip

786
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: on that kind of stuff, and we take your audience

787
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: question so any bets that you guys have, any prop

788
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: questions that you have come into the chat, put them

789
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: in there.

790
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Speaker 1: We get to every question every show.

791
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't think we've missed the topic all betting question

792
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: all last season. So you know, if you want to

793
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: talk to us, go in there type of question we

794
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: will answer it until then.

795
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Speaker 1: For Mike Farrell, I am Thorne Eystrom. We will see

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Speaker 1: us Saturday