WEBVTT - Angels, Gold and Lust: John Dee and the Philosopher's Stone (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. This is the second of two episodes about Elizabethan's

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<v Speaker 1>scholar John D. Last episode, D's predictions secured the favor

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<v Speaker 1>of Queen Elizabeth, but a scheme he backed to find

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<v Speaker 1>the Northwest Passage ended in humiliation. At the castle of

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<v Speaker 1>Treybon in southern Bohemia, a plume of thick gray smoke

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<v Speaker 1>rises from the roof of the gatehouse. The year is

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen eighty six, and inside an experiment is underway. A

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<v Speaker 1>glass vessel shaped like an egg sits atop a furnace.

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<v Speaker 1>A young man wearing a cowl hunches over it, feeding

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<v Speaker 1>charcoal into the stack. He's been doing this for weeks now,

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<v Speaker 1>at regular and frequent intervals. In the time before thermometers,

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<v Speaker 1>controlling temperature is a delicate art. This furnace and the

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<v Speaker 1>glass egg on top must remain at a constant. At

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<v Speaker 1>the other end of the room is an older man,

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<v Speaker 1>John D, the famous mathematician. John D is focusing intently

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<v Speaker 1>on the glass vessel, quill scratching into parchment as he

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<v Speaker 1>takes notes. He's hoping to see a change in the

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious white matter inside it. No, he's willing it to change,

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<v Speaker 1>to turn deep red a sure sign that they're on

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<v Speaker 1>the right path. Their backer, the nobleman who owns traybon cars,

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<v Speaker 1>needs results. D himself has bet everything, his career, his standing,

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<v Speaker 1>his home on this venture, and the cow clad man

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<v Speaker 1>hunched over the furnace. They've been iterating with all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of ingredients, salts, earth, suspended in water, horse manure, menstrual blood.

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<v Speaker 1>They're objective to bring forth a substance that has been

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<v Speaker 1>sought for centuries, but seldom, if ever obtained, a substance

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<v Speaker 1>so powerful that it can force base metal into gold

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<v Speaker 1>and even keep a man from death. John D and

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<v Speaker 1>his associate are searching for the fabled Philosopher's Stone. A

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<v Speaker 1>chill autumn wind whips around the castle walls, whistling through

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<v Speaker 1>cracks in the masonry. John D puts down his quill

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<v Speaker 1>and waits, I'm Tim Harford, and you're listening to cautionary tales.

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<v Speaker 1>John D believed that numbers held the key to the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd bet on navigation and exploration as the tools

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<v Speaker 1>to reveal its hidden architecture. Around his fiftieth birthday, he

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<v Speaker 1>had championed a mission to find the Northwest Passage. When

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<v Speaker 1>it failed, D was devastated. He lost his reputation, his money,

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<v Speaker 1>and his self confidence. Seeking a second chance at unraveling

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<v Speaker 1>nature's secrets, he turned to the world of spirits. Good

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<v Speaker 1>Christians believed in angels and in their ability to see

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<v Speaker 1>the future. It was more transgressive, though, to actively seek

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<v Speaker 1>their advice. The people who did this were called scriers.

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<v Speaker 1>They would speak to angels and spirits by looking into

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<v Speaker 1>a shiny showstone, such as a mirror or a crystal ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Since scrying meant bypassing the church, it wasn't uncommon to

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<v Speaker 1>find that a scrier was on the run, and because

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<v Speaker 1>of their sensitivity to the occult, they also tended to

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<v Speaker 1>be rather eccentric. Dee's first scrying partner ended up in

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<v Speaker 1>court facing criminal charges. But then a mysterious stranger appeared

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<v Speaker 1>at D's door under portentous skies of deep arterial red.

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<v Speaker 1>The stranger introduced himself as Edward Talbot, a distant kin

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<v Speaker 1>to the Talbot Earls of Shrewsbury. He was young, walked

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<v Speaker 1>with the aid of a staff, and kept his head

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<v Speaker 1>covered by a hood. He also seemed to be intelligent

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<v Speaker 1>and better educated than the average sqrire. There was something

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<v Speaker 1>captivating about him. D decided to give him a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>In March fifteen eighty two, Talbot knelt in D's study

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<v Speaker 1>amid stacks of books and manuscripts and peered into a dark,

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<v Speaker 1>gleaming mirror. Himself retreated to a nearby room to pray.

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<v Speaker 1>A few minutes later, he heard Talbot cry out, and

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<v Speaker 1>he hurried back. The angel Uriel had made contact. D

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<v Speaker 1>was hooked, and he wasted no time in asking Uriel

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<v Speaker 1>via Talbot about the mysterious angelic language, a lost tongue

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<v Speaker 1>encoded in a divine cipher that was believed to mirror

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<v Speaker 1>the structure of creation. Talbot's next revelation was extraordinary. The

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<v Speaker 1>archangel Michael would help D recover the angelic language. D

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<v Speaker 1>was awestruck. If this was true, it would unlock the

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<v Speaker 1>price that he had long sought the hidden workings of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, and he would be instrumental in restoring lost

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge to humanity. What must I do to have the

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<v Speaker 1>sight and presence of Michael, the blessed Angel?

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<v Speaker 2>In voke our presence with sincerity. These things are revealed

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<v Speaker 2>in virtue, not by force.

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<v Speaker 1>D was grateful and relieved Talbot was reporting exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>he'd hoped for. Talbot's sudden appearance in Mortlake raised a

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<v Speaker 1>few eyebrows. His past was murky, and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>villagers said that he was wanted for forging documents. Forgery

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<v Speaker 1>carried a lasting punishment, the brutal clipping of the ears.

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<v Speaker 1>Talbot always kept his ears carefully hidden beneath his cowl,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the odd occasion anyone caught sight of them,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them appeared curiously diminished. D had his doubts

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<v Speaker 1>about the man, but he managed to suppress them. Scrias

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<v Speaker 1>were itinerant by nature, so a nebulous past was normal,

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<v Speaker 1>And besides, Talbot was prodigiously talented. His visions majestic and elaborate.

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<v Speaker 1>D recorded them all in his diary, Convinced that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>at last found the partner had been looking for. His

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<v Speaker 1>entries were detailed and methodical. Within days, the scrier's visions escalated.

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<v Speaker 1>The great Archangel Michael appeared in the mirror, sword in hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a man there too. He was kneeling

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<v Speaker 1>with his back to Talbot, who couldn't see his face.

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<v Speaker 1>The archangel tapped the man with his blade, as though

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<v Speaker 1>dubbing a knight. Then the man rose and turned, and

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<v Speaker 1>the scrire revealed his identity. He did resemble me. John

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<v Speaker 1>d Encountenance, the d of Talbot's vision had been anointed,

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<v Speaker 1>chosen for some higher task. It was a seductive story,

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<v Speaker 1>one that the real flesh and blood d simply couldn't resist.

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<v Speaker 1>Talbot and d continued scrying together. Each session D led

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<v Speaker 1>them in the same preparatory ritual. They washed, shaved, dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in fresh clothes, read from the scriptures, and prayed faced,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing all four points of the compass. As the months passed,

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<v Speaker 1>more angels identified themselves, explaining their places in the spiritual hierarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Talbot had exhausting apocalyptic visions of fire and brimstone that

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<v Speaker 1>left his heart palpitating furiously, and archangel Michael began to

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<v Speaker 1>dictate a holy table of numbers with a sacred sigel

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<v Speaker 1>at its center. It was all going rather well until

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. A few months later, De wrote a grim

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<v Speaker 1>note in his diary. I have confirmed that Talbot was

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<v Speaker 1>a cossoner. A cosoner was a fraud. Fast forward nearly

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and fifty years to the town of Agd

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<v Speaker 1>in France. It's twenty twenty and Gield Detour is speaking

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<v Speaker 1>with his father. That might seem unexceptional, but for one detail.

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<v Speaker 1>Gild De'tur's father died over twenty years ago. A woman

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<v Speaker 1>called Sophia Martinez has helped them reconnect. Martinez describes herself

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<v Speaker 1>as a medium, hypnotherapist and healer, a specialist in the

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<v Speaker 1>cleansing of energy for people and places. Her clients have

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<v Speaker 1>included doctors, architects, and police officers, and she comes highly recommended.

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<v Speaker 1>Detur himself used to be a Secret Service officer, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's now the mayor of agd. His father ran for

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<v Speaker 1>mayor too, but he passed away just before the votes

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<v Speaker 1>were cast. Detur took up the torch and he's held

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<v Speaker 1>since two thousand and one. He misses his father immensely.

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<v Speaker 1>As time passes, he continues to consult Martinez. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>when Detur is in his office at the town hall,

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<v Speaker 1>his phone buzzes. It's dark, gleaming screen lighting up. The

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<v Speaker 1>call is from a withheld number, Hello, Gesutor. The voice

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<v Speaker 1>is guttural and rasping. Who is this?

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<v Speaker 2>It is the archangel Michael, Prince of the heaven Leos.

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<v Speaker 1>The Archangel Michael, leader of God's Army on the phone

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<v Speaker 1>to him. If Detur is stunned, he's also credulous. As

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<v Speaker 1>journalist Leo Chic reports in the podcast series The Mystic

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<v Speaker 1>and the Mayor, he manages to answer the great Angel.

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<v Speaker 1>He asks him about the afterlife, and Michael tells the

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<v Speaker 1>tour that he has messages for him from his father.

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<v Speaker 1>The calls keep coming. Before long, Michael asks the Mayor

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<v Speaker 1>to call him Papa. In Mortlake fifteen eighty two, John

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<v Speaker 1>D had made a discovery. His scrier's name wasn't Edward Talbot,

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<v Speaker 1>but Edward Kelly, and he certainly wasn't related to the

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<v Speaker 1>Talbot Earls of Shrewsbury. He'd given his master a fake identity. Talbot,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather Kelly, defended himself. He got his hands on

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<v Speaker 1>d diary, and beneath the charge of cousiner, he scrawled

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<v Speaker 1>his own affronted entry.

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<v Speaker 2>A horrible and slanderous lie.

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<v Speaker 1>When D's wife Jane learned of the skrier's treachery, she

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<v Speaker 1>flew into a marvelous rage. She'd never liked the man.

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<v Speaker 1>He was mercurial and prone to wild, drunken outbursts. According

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<v Speaker 1>to D, her fury lasted all evening and all night.

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<v Speaker 1>D agreed that Kelly's deceit was abominable, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>also true that a fake name didn't automatically make him

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<v Speaker 1>less talented, quite the opposite. In fact, skill at scrying

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<v Speaker 1>often went hand in hand with peculiarity. D now faced

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<v Speaker 1>a dilemma. On the one hand, Ayane detested the man

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<v Speaker 1>and wanted him gone from her house. On the other,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd been making good progress in their work. The angelic

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<v Speaker 1>language glittered just ahead or without Kelly, the signal from

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<v Speaker 1>the heavens would go cold. Should he abandon the project,

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<v Speaker 1>or choose to trust Kelly and plow on his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>or his scrire cautionary tales will return. D managed to

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<v Speaker 1>suppress his doubts. A few months later, he reunited with

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly and offered him a place in his household. Jane

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<v Speaker 1>Dee's loathing was but there was nothing she could do.

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<v Speaker 1>Her husband was spellbound. De pledged Kelly a salary of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty pounds per year. He was in debt and struggling

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<v Speaker 1>for an income, but he was hardened by a reassuring

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<v Speaker 1>forecast the Queen's glowing favor would soon return. The Queen's

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<v Speaker 1>favor did not return, and other courtiers gave him the

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<v Speaker 1>cold shoulder, but the angels had a ready explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>Whom God commonly chooseth shall be whom the princes of

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<v Speaker 2>the earth disdain.

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<v Speaker 1>Dee's isolation was a badge of honor, proof of his

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic significance. Trouble reared its head again. Kelly told Dee

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<v Speaker 1>that a London surgeon was hounding him over for some

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<v Speaker 1>fraudulent scheme. His wife Joanna had been forced into hiding.

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<v Speaker 1>D wasn't too concerned. More pressing was that he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>obey the angel's latest command. They were to leave England

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<v Speaker 1>because the apocalypse was coming, but they had no money

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<v Speaker 1>for passage or lodgings. For now, they were stuck. In

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<v Speaker 1>spring fifteen eighty three, as d and Kelly were busy

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<v Speaker 1>transcribing the Angelic language, Prince Laski of Poland paid a

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<v Speaker 1>visit to the English court. A distinctive figure, Laski wore

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<v Speaker 1>his long white beard tucked into his belt, and gold

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<v Speaker 1>and yellow shoes that curled the toes. He was charismatic,

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<v Speaker 1>fabulously wealthy, and a favorite of his king. The Prince

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<v Speaker 1>took an interest in d and Kelly's work and he

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<v Speaker 1>visited them in Mortlake with a high stakes question for

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<v Speaker 1>the angels. Would he Laski be the next king of Poland? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>said the angels, The crown would very soon be his.

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<v Speaker 1>Did d and Kelly believe this forecast? Or was it

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<v Speaker 1>calculated flattery? D, after all, had once profited by predicting

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<v Speaker 1>the rise to power of Queen Elizabeth herself. Lasky was thrilled,

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<v Speaker 1>offered to fund a journey in Europe and pledge D

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<v Speaker 1>a salary of fifty pounds per year to the angel

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<v Speaker 1>whisperer Kelly. He offered twice as much, but D learned

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<v Speaker 1>that the Queen's spies had made a shocking discovery. Laski

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<v Speaker 1>was not beloved by the King of Poland. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it had been exiled by him. He was also broke,

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<v Speaker 1>having burnt through his fortune raising private armies in a

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<v Speaker 1>bid for the throne, and he'd run up enormous bills

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<v Speaker 1>all over England. Had D and Kelly fooled him or

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<v Speaker 1>had he fooled them? It got worse. Lasky started claiming

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<v Speaker 1>that he was related by blood to Queen Elizabeth and

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<v Speaker 1>spreading pamphlets about his own popularity as suspicion of the

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<v Speaker 1>Polish Prince grew d realized that he'd hitched his wagon

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<v Speaker 1>to a falling star. He decided not to quit, but

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<v Speaker 1>to flee. He scrambled to borrow four hundred pounds and

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<v Speaker 1>packed several hundred books, the Showstone and his most prized possession,

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<v Speaker 1>his perspective class the kind of forerunner of the telescope.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the Lord Albert Laski, I, mister e Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>our wives, my children, we went toward our ships a

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<v Speaker 1>low grazer. One dark night in September fifteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 1>they slipped past their creditors and sailed for Holland d

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly and their families trudged through the Netherlands and across

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<v Speaker 1>northern Germany, lodging at drafty inns. Lasky meanwhile glided between

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<v Speaker 1>the great houses of Europe, enjoying all the privileges of

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<v Speaker 1>his rank. It sooned and bitterly cold. Jane Dee, charged

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<v Speaker 1>with managing a household and three small children on the move,

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<v Speaker 1>must have been miserable. Dee himself agonized over his decision

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<v Speaker 1>to leave. Had he made the right choice, The angels

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<v Speaker 1>revealed that he had passed the point of no return.

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<v Speaker 1>England now viewed him as a renegade. In February fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four, the exhausted party reached the prince's ice bound

0:21:48.850 --> 0:21:54.050
<v Speaker 1>home of Lascar. The welcome was even chillier than the climate.

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<v Speaker 1>Lady Laski took an instant dislike to her husband's rag

0:21:59.250 --> 0:22:03.490
<v Speaker 1>tag entourage, and it soon became clear that the Prince's

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<v Speaker 1>dire finances couldn't support them for long. The Angels now

0:22:09.290 --> 0:22:12.970
<v Speaker 1>appeared to have a change of heart, ordering that d

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<v Speaker 1>and Kelly abandon their bankrupt patron and head to the

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<v Speaker 1>golden city of Prague of a make or break mission

0:22:23.410 --> 0:22:30.810
<v Speaker 1>awaited them. Prague was the capital of the Kingdom of Bohemia,

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of a sprawling empire that covered much of

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<v Speaker 1>modern day Central Europe. From his soaring castle high above

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<v Speaker 1>the city, Holy Roman Emperor Rudolph the Second ruled over

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<v Speaker 1>a patchwork of lands that stretched from the Baltic to

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<v Speaker 1>the Alps. Rudolph was obsessed with the occult, and his

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<v Speaker 1>castle was crammed with eclectic objects. Have asked cabinets of

0:23:00.850 --> 0:23:07.770
<v Speaker 1>curiosities that included clockwork, autometer, vials of virgin's blood, shriveled

0:23:07.930 --> 0:23:13.570
<v Speaker 1>mandrake roots, an enormous narwhale tusk, and what he claimed

0:23:13.970 --> 0:23:20.890
<v Speaker 1>were the leathery remains of a dragon. Below the Imperial

0:23:20.970 --> 0:23:25.610
<v Speaker 1>Palace was a nest of winding streets, where astrologers and

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<v Speaker 1>alchemists lived and worked. Rudolph was particularly interested in the

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<v Speaker 1>Philosopher's Stone, a powerful substance that promised to transmute base

0:23:37.130 --> 0:23:41.930
<v Speaker 1>metals into gold and supply an elixir of eternal youth.

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<v Speaker 1>Monarchs everywhere craved the stone, and Rudolph kept a stable

0:23:49.290 --> 0:23:53.850
<v Speaker 1>of alchemists on his pay roll. They labored in secret,

0:23:54.210 --> 0:23:59.970
<v Speaker 1>subterranean labs, away from the disapproving eyes of the Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 1>As the summer unbeat down, De's loaded wagons rattled into Prague. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's focus shifted. Curious about the Philosopher's Stone and its

0:24:22.370 --> 0:24:27.610
<v Speaker 1>lucrative potential, he began experimenting with a mysterious red powder

0:24:27.650 --> 0:24:32.810
<v Speaker 1>that he said he had found back in England. The Angels, however,

0:24:33.250 --> 0:24:38.290
<v Speaker 1>were restless. They announced that unless d delivered a shocking

0:24:38.490 --> 0:24:43.810
<v Speaker 1>ultimatum to Emperor Rudolph, Satan would harm his beloved wife

0:24:43.810 --> 0:24:50.530
<v Speaker 1>and children, a cunning fish of stratagem D was appalled,

0:24:51.450 --> 0:24:57.690
<v Speaker 1>but what choice did he have? Declimbed to the Imperial castle,

0:24:58.450 --> 0:25:03.050
<v Speaker 1>where he was ushered past displays of dissected frogs and

0:25:03.570 --> 0:25:10.210
<v Speaker 1>magical amulets, and admitted to Rudolph's privy chamber. The Emperor

0:25:10.250 --> 0:25:13.970
<v Speaker 1>had been told that the clever visitor from England had

0:25:14.090 --> 0:25:20.450
<v Speaker 1>something useful to say to him. He waited expectantly, surrounded

0:25:20.490 --> 0:25:26.010
<v Speaker 1>by his courtiers. De steeled himself, then began.

0:25:27.210 --> 0:25:31.290
<v Speaker 3>The Angel of the Lord hath appeared to me and

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<v Speaker 3>rebuketh you for your sins.

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<v Speaker 1>The courtiers fell silent.

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<v Speaker 3>Hear me, and you shall triumph. If you will not

0:25:44.890 --> 0:25:49.410
<v Speaker 3>hear me, God will throw you headlong down from your seat.

0:25:52.450 --> 0:25:58.050
<v Speaker 1>A chill fell over the chamber. The Emperor simply stared.

0:25:59.370 --> 0:26:04.090
<v Speaker 1>Then he calmly rejected Dee's invitation to a scrying session

0:26:04.730 --> 0:26:15.170
<v Speaker 1>and dismissed him. Shortly after this disastrous encounter, the papal

0:26:15.290 --> 0:26:21.770
<v Speaker 1>nuncio in Prague accused d and Kelly of heresy, necromancy,

0:26:22.490 --> 0:26:29.490
<v Speaker 1>and other prohibited arts. Rudolph had no interest in protecting them.

0:26:29.850 --> 0:26:33.410
<v Speaker 1>They had just six days to find a new home.

0:26:35.370 --> 0:26:40.490
<v Speaker 1>Isolated and penniless, d and Kelly had nowhere to go.

0:26:41.490 --> 0:26:46.010
<v Speaker 1>They huddled in dirty crowded quarters and begged their old

0:26:46.130 --> 0:26:52.690
<v Speaker 1>patron Laski for money. The messages from beyond again changed.

0:26:53.770 --> 0:26:58.250
<v Speaker 1>It seemed that the angels wanted D and Kelly to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on a new assignment, the Philosopher Stone. They ordered

0:27:04.690 --> 0:27:10.930
<v Speaker 1>that d retire his showstone and burn his records. D

0:27:11.290 --> 0:27:14.650
<v Speaker 1>was baffled as to how this fit their mission to

0:27:14.770 --> 0:27:20.530
<v Speaker 1>decode the Angelic language, but exhausted, he went along with it.

0:27:21.690 --> 0:27:26.210
<v Speaker 1>At the prompting of Kelly's Angels. D and his family

0:27:26.770 --> 0:27:31.450
<v Speaker 1>had plodded from the court of Queen Elizabeth Tulaski, from

0:27:31.570 --> 0:27:37.370
<v Speaker 1>Laski to Emperor Rudolph, and their journey still wasn't finished. Now,

0:27:37.690 --> 0:27:42.290
<v Speaker 1>wealthy nobleman count villem Rosenberg took an interest in the pair.

0:27:43.170 --> 0:27:47.130
<v Speaker 1>He invited them to his castle in Treybon, Southern Bohemia,

0:27:47.770 --> 0:27:51.570
<v Speaker 1>where he gave them a laboratory and everything they needed

0:27:51.930 --> 0:27:57.650
<v Speaker 1>to pursue the Philosopher's Stone. Kelly took the lead, wielding

0:27:57.730 --> 0:28:05.170
<v Speaker 1>that strange red powder. D the Great Scholar, now acted

0:28:05.410 --> 0:28:14.130
<v Speaker 1>as assistant. Word of their experiments spread. The Czar of

0:28:14.250 --> 0:28:18.810
<v Speaker 1>Russia sent two merchants to Treybon with a lucrative offer

0:28:18.850 --> 0:28:24.850
<v Speaker 1>of employment. Kelly declined, but before they left, he gave

0:28:24.890 --> 0:28:29.810
<v Speaker 1>them a dazzling performance. Adding a tiny grain of his

0:28:30.010 --> 0:28:35.490
<v Speaker 1>red powder to a crucible of mercury, he miraculously produced

0:28:35.530 --> 0:28:39.730
<v Speaker 1>what he said was an ounce of the best gold.

0:28:41.450 --> 0:28:46.490
<v Speaker 1>And as Kelly's reputation grew, so too did his wealth.

0:28:47.810 --> 0:28:51.250
<v Speaker 1>In early fifteen eighty seven, he returned from a trip

0:28:51.370 --> 0:28:56.810
<v Speaker 1>with an opulent gold necklace, valued at a staggering three

0:28:56.890 --> 0:29:01.850
<v Speaker 1>hundred ducats. He didn't give it to his own wife.

0:29:01.970 --> 0:29:09.330
<v Speaker 1>He gave it to Jane d Cautionary tales will return

0:29:10.530 --> 0:29:24.890
<v Speaker 1>after the break. August twenty twenty three, at a lavish

0:29:24.970 --> 0:29:29.010
<v Speaker 1>wedding in the south of France, one hundred white chairs

0:29:29.210 --> 0:29:33.930
<v Speaker 1>line a path to an altar framed with angel wings.

0:29:34.970 --> 0:29:40.490
<v Speaker 1>Local medium Sofia Martinez is getting married. Walking her down

0:29:40.530 --> 0:29:44.490
<v Speaker 1>the aisle in the role of proud father figure is

0:29:44.570 --> 0:29:49.530
<v Speaker 1>none other than long serving mayor of aged Yield at All.

0:29:50.690 --> 0:29:54.930
<v Speaker 1>The All isn't the only client here. A number of

0:29:54.970 --> 0:30:00.770
<v Speaker 1>the wedding guests have also engaged Martinez's services. Today they

0:30:01.010 --> 0:30:06.210
<v Speaker 1>enjoy live music and two buffets. It's a beautiful wedding

0:30:07.170 --> 0:30:13.850
<v Speaker 1>and it looks expensive. A couple of months later, the

0:30:13.890 --> 0:30:19.490
<v Speaker 1>Mayor's ex wife Geraldine Sanchez de Toor walks into the

0:30:19.530 --> 0:30:25.530
<v Speaker 1>aged police station with a strange story. She too, has

0:30:25.570 --> 0:30:32.370
<v Speaker 1>been consulting Sophia Martinez. Recently, she started receiving phone calls

0:30:33.050 --> 0:30:36.970
<v Speaker 1>from a rasping, guttural voice that purports to be the

0:30:37.130 --> 0:30:44.170
<v Speaker 1>archangel Michael. The voice, which asks to be called Papa,

0:30:44.610 --> 0:30:48.930
<v Speaker 1>knows all sorts of details about her private life, and

0:30:48.970 --> 0:30:55.130
<v Speaker 1>it's begun requesting favors for Martinez. Sanchez de Tour later

0:30:55.210 --> 0:30:58.970
<v Speaker 1>withdraws her complaints, but by then the police have heard

0:30:59.010 --> 0:31:03.770
<v Speaker 1>from others they've been contacted by the rasping voice two

0:31:03.810 --> 0:31:07.770
<v Speaker 1>and at least one worried about its influence on the mayor.

0:31:09.210 --> 0:31:14.210
<v Speaker 1>An official investigation is opened. The police can't bring the

0:31:14.330 --> 0:31:24.770
<v Speaker 1>archangel Michael in for questioning, so instead they followed the money.

0:31:29.690 --> 0:31:35.770
<v Speaker 1>Spring fifteen eighty seven, Treybon By now D has been

0:31:35.930 --> 0:31:41.170
<v Speaker 1>tethered to Kelly for more than three grueling years. The

0:31:41.210 --> 0:31:48.410
<v Speaker 1>angel's requests had dwindled. Then in April, her spirit appeared

0:31:48.450 --> 0:31:52.490
<v Speaker 1>to Kelly in the form of a young girl. She

0:31:52.770 --> 0:31:57.530
<v Speaker 1>tantalizingly offered to reveal God's secrets, but there was a

0:31:57.570 --> 0:32:02.370
<v Speaker 1>requirement that D and Kelly had to fulfill. First, it

0:32:02.410 --> 0:32:09.170
<v Speaker 1>wasn't prayer or alchemy, but unity. They were to sh

0:32:10.170 --> 0:32:19.170
<v Speaker 1>everything in common, including their wives. D was horrified. Nothing

0:32:19.290 --> 0:32:23.970
<v Speaker 1>is unlawful, which is lawful? Until God came the convenient

0:32:24.130 --> 0:32:28.130
<v Speaker 1>spiritual loophole. D and Kelly were warned that if they

0:32:28.250 --> 0:32:32.770
<v Speaker 1>refused to obey the command, the consequences would be disastrous.

0:32:33.530 --> 0:32:38.170
<v Speaker 1>The mysterious red powder their meal ticket would turn to dust,

0:32:39.170 --> 0:32:42.570
<v Speaker 1>the angels would vanish, and the secrets of the universe

0:32:42.610 --> 0:32:50.090
<v Speaker 1>would be locked away forever. D adored his wife, yet

0:32:50.770 --> 0:32:55.850
<v Speaker 1>what choice did he have. H'd state everything on the angels.

0:32:57.050 --> 0:33:02.770
<v Speaker 1>When grief stricken, he finally told Jane about their latest order.

0:33:03.730 --> 0:33:08.210
<v Speaker 1>Her reaction shattered him. She fell a weeping and a

0:33:08.330 --> 0:33:12.770
<v Speaker 1>trembling for a quarter of an hour, and I pacified

0:33:12.770 --> 0:33:17.930
<v Speaker 1>her as well I could. D tried to persuade Jane

0:33:18.010 --> 0:33:25.730
<v Speaker 1>that they must follow God's will. Eventually she agreed, I.

0:33:25.730 --> 0:33:29.890
<v Speaker 4>Trust, though I give myself thus to be used, that

0:33:29.930 --> 0:33:32.330
<v Speaker 4>God will turn me into a stone before he would

0:33:32.330 --> 0:33:37.170
<v Speaker 4>suffer me in my obedience to receive any shame or inconvenience.

0:33:39.250 --> 0:33:45.530
<v Speaker 1>D and Kelly drew up a contract, a cold legalistic

0:33:45.610 --> 0:33:59.450
<v Speaker 1>document that formalized the common use of their wives. John

0:33:59.530 --> 0:34:04.010
<v Speaker 1>Dee was a want in a generation polymath. He was

0:34:04.170 --> 0:34:09.210
<v Speaker 1>phenomenally intelligent, yet he made choices that were dis de

0:34:09.210 --> 0:34:14.730
<v Speaker 1>sidedly foolish. He fretted about Kelly's checkered past, and he

0:34:14.810 --> 0:34:17.810
<v Speaker 1>knew that he was a liar, but he still chose

0:34:17.850 --> 0:34:22.370
<v Speaker 1>to trust him. He followed Kelly into isolation and squalor,

0:34:22.610 --> 0:34:26.730
<v Speaker 1>and he offended an emperor on his say so why,

0:34:27.970 --> 0:34:31.610
<v Speaker 1>One answer lies in the spirit of the age. D

0:34:31.930 --> 0:34:35.890
<v Speaker 1>truly believed that God was beneficent and wanted good things

0:34:35.930 --> 0:34:40.370
<v Speaker 1>for him. The existence of angels was a fact. Difficulties

0:34:40.450 --> 0:34:45.370
<v Speaker 1>were simply divine trials and far from being a red flag.

0:34:45.690 --> 0:34:51.530
<v Speaker 1>Kelly's volatility and strangeness proved that his soul was sensitive

0:34:51.610 --> 0:34:56.690
<v Speaker 1>to the supernatural. D also had a very real need

0:34:57.290 --> 0:35:02.650
<v Speaker 1>for patronage. One way or another, he had to produce results.

0:35:04.410 --> 0:35:10.290
<v Speaker 1>But there's another explanation at play here too. Psychologist Dan

0:35:10.370 --> 0:35:14.130
<v Speaker 1>Kahan has argued we don't always use our intellect to

0:35:14.210 --> 0:35:18.050
<v Speaker 1>seek the truth, but to preserve our sense of who

0:35:18.170 --> 0:35:24.290
<v Speaker 1>we think we are. He calls this process identity protective cognition.

0:35:25.050 --> 0:35:27.970
<v Speaker 1>What we believe isn't just a reflection of what we know.

0:35:29.130 --> 0:35:33.450
<v Speaker 1>It's a badge of membership to our tribe. Our beliefs

0:35:33.610 --> 0:35:38.730
<v Speaker 1>allow us to belong. John Dee's tribe was the intellectual

0:35:38.850 --> 0:35:42.970
<v Speaker 1>elite of Europe. He saw himself as the man who

0:35:43.010 --> 0:35:48.410
<v Speaker 1>would decode the hidden architecture of the universe, even as

0:35:48.410 --> 0:35:51.690
<v Speaker 1>he became less and less relevant to the people in power.

0:35:54.970 --> 0:35:59.810
<v Speaker 1>Edward Kelly, of course, never turned mercury into gold. Charlatan's

0:35:59.850 --> 0:36:05.570
<v Speaker 1>had all sorts of tricks. Preloaded crucibles, hidden pellets, sleight

0:36:05.610 --> 0:36:10.490
<v Speaker 1>of hand. This was stage magic, and the showmanship that

0:36:10.610 --> 0:36:14.930
<v Speaker 1>made Kelly a compelling scrier probably also made him a

0:36:14.970 --> 0:36:22.010
<v Speaker 1>convincing alchemist. D understood stagecraft decades earlier. He had shocked

0:36:22.050 --> 0:36:26.450
<v Speaker 1>an audience at Cambridge University with a mechanical beetle that

0:36:26.570 --> 0:36:34.090
<v Speaker 1>was so lifelike they thought he'd bewitched it, But by

0:36:34.130 --> 0:36:38.130
<v Speaker 1>the time he reached Bohemia, d was too bought in

0:36:38.810 --> 0:36:42.410
<v Speaker 1>to see the hoax in front of him, because the

0:36:42.410 --> 0:36:45.250
<v Speaker 1>more you give up for a vision, the more you

0:36:45.290 --> 0:36:49.130
<v Speaker 1>have to believe it. To admit that Edward Kelly was

0:36:49.170 --> 0:36:53.210
<v Speaker 1>a fraud would mean admitting that John d was no

0:36:53.290 --> 0:36:57.930
<v Speaker 1>longer a brilliant scholar, but an impoverished old man who'd

0:36:57.970 --> 0:37:04.530
<v Speaker 1>been deceived by a common trickster. The truth was far

0:37:04.610 --> 0:37:09.530
<v Speaker 1>too painful for John D to face, and so in

0:37:09.610 --> 0:37:14.850
<v Speaker 1>a long, slow process of self preservation, he chose to

0:37:14.890 --> 0:37:21.610
<v Speaker 1>believe the lie. In May fifteen eighty seven, D made

0:37:21.610 --> 0:37:29.730
<v Speaker 1>a terse entry in his diary pactum factum. The agreement

0:37:30.490 --> 0:37:41.290
<v Speaker 1>had been executed. He had sacrificed his wife to Kelly's angels.

0:37:43.090 --> 0:37:49.770
<v Speaker 1>That summer, Queen Elizabeth sent envoys to Trebon. They wanted Kelly,

0:37:50.850 --> 0:37:56.770
<v Speaker 1>and they ignored thee entirely. At the castle, tensions boiled over.

0:37:57.770 --> 0:38:02.370
<v Speaker 1>Jane D was pregnant, and John D was ever more

0:38:02.410 --> 0:38:08.890
<v Speaker 1>dependent on Kelly, who frequently erupted into violent outbursts. Irritated

0:38:08.890 --> 0:38:13.650
<v Speaker 1>that D was hanging on. In an effort to make peace,

0:38:14.130 --> 0:38:18.250
<v Speaker 1>D wrote Kelly and his wife charitable letters, but to

0:38:18.330 --> 0:38:25.250
<v Speaker 1>no avail. Privately, he was afraid encrypting his diary in

0:38:25.330 --> 0:38:33.290
<v Speaker 1>an increasingly complicated code. In October, Kelly and his wife

0:38:33.370 --> 0:38:38.210
<v Speaker 1>Joanna told the household servants that D was in league

0:38:38.250 --> 0:38:44.010
<v Speaker 1>with the devil. Haniced, D tried again to turn the tide.

0:38:44.690 --> 0:38:49.850
<v Speaker 1>He gave Kelly his most prized possession, his perspective glass,

0:38:50.650 --> 0:38:54.450
<v Speaker 1>that telescope like device that tricked the eye and made

0:38:54.610 --> 0:38:59.850
<v Speaker 1>small objects seem large. Kelly took it, but he had

0:38:59.850 --> 0:39:03.450
<v Speaker 1>no use for a scholar's instrument. He passed it to

0:39:03.530 --> 0:39:08.810
<v Speaker 1>Rosenberg who passed it to the Emperor. D's perspective glass,

0:39:09.330 --> 0:39:13.330
<v Speaker 1>his treasured window into the laws of nature, was tucked

0:39:13.370 --> 0:39:23.210
<v Speaker 1>away to gather dust in Rudolph's cabinets of curiosities. Rosenberg

0:39:23.370 --> 0:39:27.530
<v Speaker 1>Io was irked by D's presence. As far as he

0:39:27.570 --> 0:39:31.290
<v Speaker 1>was concerned, the man was a dead weight. He ordered

0:39:31.330 --> 0:39:34.730
<v Speaker 1>d to leave Trebon and arranged for Kelly to be

0:39:34.810 --> 0:39:41.010
<v Speaker 1>moved to another laboratory. In February fifteen eighty eight, D

0:39:41.610 --> 0:39:47.210
<v Speaker 1>gave up. He handed Kelly his books on alchemy and

0:39:47.250 --> 0:39:57.010
<v Speaker 1>watched him ride away. In modern day act investigators made

0:39:57.050 --> 0:40:02.410
<v Speaker 1>a startling discovery. Between twenty twenty and twenty twenty three,

0:40:03.010 --> 0:40:06.810
<v Speaker 1>there were over three thousand phone calls between Gield Dettor

0:40:07.330 --> 0:40:13.290
<v Speaker 1>and Sophia Martinez. Martinez has since admitted to playing the

0:40:13.450 --> 0:40:18.370
<v Speaker 1>archangel Michael. She reportedly revealed to police that she's an

0:40:18.370 --> 0:40:23.850
<v Speaker 1>accomplished ventriloquist and gave them a demonstration of Michael's rasping voice.

0:40:24.250 --> 0:40:28.690
<v Speaker 2>Protect Sophia, Protect Sophia.

0:40:29.650 --> 0:40:31.930
<v Speaker 1>The voice is said to have implored.

0:40:32.330 --> 0:40:35.330
<v Speaker 2>Take care of her and her people.

0:40:38.290 --> 0:40:43.050
<v Speaker 1>The case against Detur is that he allegedly obeyed the voice,

0:40:43.410 --> 0:40:47.050
<v Speaker 1>using public funds to pay for Martinez's birthday party and

0:40:47.170 --> 0:40:51.810
<v Speaker 1>contribute to her wedding, arranging four municipal contractors to renovate

0:40:51.890 --> 0:40:56.450
<v Speaker 1>her home, funding holidays to Thailand, and securing jobs for

0:40:56.490 --> 0:41:01.690
<v Speaker 1>her family at the town hall. Detor no longer holds

0:41:01.770 --> 0:41:06.730
<v Speaker 1>the keys to AGD. In twenty twenty four, he resigned.

0:41:07.770 --> 0:41:13.250
<v Speaker 1>He was also charged with corruption and misappropriation of public funds.

0:41:13.250 --> 0:41:17.850
<v Speaker 1>Martinez was charged with fraud and concealment. As of recording,

0:41:18.530 --> 0:41:24.130
<v Speaker 1>they're both awaiting trial. Both Detor and Martinez deny the

0:41:24.170 --> 0:41:29.010
<v Speaker 1>criminal charges, and they are presumed innocent until judgment, but

0:41:29.290 --> 0:41:34.490
<v Speaker 1>neither of them seems to deny the spiritual influence. Detoru's

0:41:34.570 --> 0:41:38.250
<v Speaker 1>lawyer has claimed that he was exploited, vulnerable in his

0:41:38.410 --> 0:41:41.970
<v Speaker 1>grief for his late father, and according to the prosecutor,

0:41:42.330 --> 0:41:47.730
<v Speaker 1>Martinez has regretted her behavior, attributing her claims about Detau's

0:41:47.850 --> 0:41:55.330
<v Speaker 1>father to a downward spiral from which she couldn't escape.

0:41:55.370 --> 0:41:59.290
<v Speaker 1>It's tempting to file John Dee Away as a relic

0:41:59.370 --> 0:42:04.050
<v Speaker 1>from a distant time, but The story nagged nearly four

0:42:04.130 --> 0:42:08.930
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty years later, would suggest that channels of special,

0:42:09.370 --> 0:42:19.930
<v Speaker 1>unimpeachable knowledge have an enduring appeal. Shortly after John d

0:42:20.210 --> 0:42:25.170
<v Speaker 1>and Edward Kelly parted ways, and nine months after the

0:42:25.250 --> 0:42:29.930
<v Speaker 1>wife swapping agreement, Jane de gave birth to a baby boy.

0:42:31.050 --> 0:42:37.290
<v Speaker 1>She and her husband named him Theodorus Trebonianus, Gift of God.

0:42:37.810 --> 0:42:42.810
<v Speaker 1>At Trebon, the D's were out of options, and they

0:42:42.850 --> 0:42:47.890
<v Speaker 1>began the arduous journey back to England. John D held

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<v Speaker 1>on to hope that Kelly would have a change of

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<v Speaker 1>heart and follow them. Instead, painful news arrived from Rudolph's court.

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<v Speaker 1>The Emperor had given Kelly a castle and lands and

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<v Speaker 1>made him a baron of Bohemia. D was crushed. A

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<v Speaker 1>further blow awaited him in England. When he reached Mortlake,

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<v Speaker 1>he discovered that his cottage had been ransacked by his creditors.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of his most precious tomes on geography, horology, Arabic

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<v Speaker 1>and Hebrew had been taken, and his magnificent library lay

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<v Speaker 1>in ruins. Dee found himself totally irrelevant at court. He

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<v Speaker 1>eventually accepted a job in the North as warden of

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<v Speaker 1>Christ's College, Manchester. It was a respectable enough role, but

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of miles from the corridors of power. Jane Deeye

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<v Speaker 1>had followed her husband across Europe, raising their children on

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<v Speaker 1>the road, and submitting to Kelly's dark wife swapping command

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<v Speaker 1>in Manchester, her journey came to an end. She succumbed

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<v Speaker 1>to the deadly plague that was ravaging the city and

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<v Speaker 1>passed away in sixteen oh five, aged fifty. As for

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<v Speaker 1>John d he returned to London and lived into his eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>Buried by manuscripts. White haired, penniless, he worked with scriers

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<v Speaker 1>until his very last days, ever convinced that the universe

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<v Speaker 1>would give up its deepest secrets if he only knew

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<v Speaker 1>how to ask. There are various accounts of what became

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<v Speaker 1>of Edward Kelly. Some say that he had a fight

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<v Speaker 1>with an influential alchemist at Rudolph's Court and ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. Others that he faked his own death. Others

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<v Speaker 1>still that he fled to Russia. You can believe what

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<v Speaker 1>you like, after all John de did. For a full

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<v Speaker 1>list of our sources, see the show notes at Timharford

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