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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a

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Speaker 2: Give thisun you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: The most incredible drug that the NFL sells you is hope.

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Speaker 3: And we see this every year because the regular season

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Speaker 3: ends and immediately we all decide, okay, things are about

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Speaker 3: to get better for our favorite team.

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Speaker 4: That's the joy in this process, right.

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Speaker 3: So as the season off season wears on, it starts

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Speaker 3: with free agency and then the draft and then OTAs,

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Speaker 3: and each step along the way you figure out that

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Speaker 3: your team's getting drastically better.

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Speaker 4: But this offseason and is not like most.

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Speaker 3: I would argue that if you look at the free

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Speaker 3: agent class and you look at the draft together, this

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Speaker 3: might be the worst off season we've ever seen. If

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Speaker 3: your team needs to get better, he's Buck Rising, I'm

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Speaker 3: Jason Fitz. It's fucking fits taken over for two pros

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Speaker 3: and a cup of Joe and looks as Buck choked earlier,

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Speaker 3: and we all know, like my favorite team sucks. I'm

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Speaker 3: a Raider San So every year I enter the off

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Speaker 3: season and Buck I often say that our relationship with

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Speaker 3: our teams are like really dysfunctional relationships that you've ever

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Speaker 3: had in your life. Like when you first finished the

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Speaker 3: regular season, it's like the day that you broke up,

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Speaker 3: like you understand everything that's.

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Speaker 4: Wrong with dear relationship. I'm like, I'm done with her.

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that anymore.

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Speaker 3: And then about a month later you're like, oh man,

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Speaker 3: I kind of miss her, like I missed this one.

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Speaker 3: That's what happens the first month of the of the

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Speaker 3: off season, and then you get to the combine and

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Speaker 3: you're like, oh man, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what likes, things might get better.

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Speaker 3: And then franchise tags and free agencies and you're like,

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Speaker 3: oh man, but we had a lot of fun when

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Speaker 3: we went, like to the movies, and then all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden you get to the draft. They're like, oh man,

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Speaker 3: date nights, We're good. And then you get to the summer,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you're back. You're like, you

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Speaker 3: know what, we're gonna do this thing. We're gonna I

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Speaker 3: miss her so much, I love her so much. You

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Speaker 3: get right to the beginning of September one weekend and

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Speaker 4: Back with her. Like that's the whole.

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Speaker 3: Off season in a nutshell for fans like me of

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Speaker 3: teams that suck. So I always look at this and say,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, what's there for us? How are we

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Speaker 3: gonna get better? Right, I'm looking at this year's free

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Speaker 3: say it's bad, it's bad.

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Speaker 4: And on top of the fact that it's bad.

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Speaker 3: Teams have more money than usual available to them to spend,

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Speaker 3: so most of the good free Like if you're looking

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Speaker 3: at it and saying, we're gonna get George Pickens, no

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Speaker 4: You're not gonna go get George Pickens. He's gonna get

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Speaker 3: I'm looking around saying, if your team needs vast improvement,

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be some help in the offensive line. Everybody

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Speaker 5: Well, isn't that a great way to start the NFL offseason.

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Speaker 5: I'm heading up to the Combine next week in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to roll around and all the hope trafficking

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Speaker 5: of all the sad and forlorn fan bases that think

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Speaker 5: they're going to get their franchise altering free agents in

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Speaker 5: the next I mean less than a month since until

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Speaker 5: I'm so out on the process of free agency in principle. Now,

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Speaker 5: try what the Patriots did last year, which is what

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Speaker 5: here in Nashville in a couple hours called a sugar

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Speaker 6: Whatever they earned the right to go.

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Speaker 5: To the super Bowl, they got their butts kicked once

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Speaker 6: It wasn't enough.

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Speaker 5: But like the sugar rush, element of free agency is

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Speaker 5: not sustainable. It's not the right way to build your team.

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Speaker 5: It's not a good way to build in principle. Well,

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody should be building a team or

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Speaker 5: trying really to jumpstart a team through free agency more

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Speaker 5: build the foundation of their franchise the right way. Now,

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Speaker 5: the problem is you are dealing with a lack of

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Speaker 5: patience among NFL owners and fan bases. Frankly, but fans,

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Speaker 5: you know, can't inherently fire coaches and general managers the

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Speaker 5: But you are seeing that now bleed into ownership where

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Speaker 5: How many coaches are even getting three full years anymore?

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Speaker 5: Brian Callahan here in Tennessee didn't even get to and

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that he should have, right I think.

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Speaker 5: But I just don't think that you are seeing the

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Speaker 5: a failed proposition to me, because one, to your point,

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Speaker 5: to work out that way. It's it's the Titans are

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Speaker 5: a bad example because they've made a lot of mistakes

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Speaker 5: dangerous drugs that the NFL does offer you, because every

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Speaker 5: year people seem to put so much more inherent value

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Speaker 3: Last year, the New England Patriots spent more money than

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Speaker 3: any team in free agency, and that's going to be

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Speaker 4: The number three spending team in free agency last year

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Speaker 4: to New York Giants. How'd that work out?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: You want to cherry pick the Patriots as the loan

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Speaker 3: and I think this is why it's also really important

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Speaker 4: At astronomical levels.

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Speaker 3: Charles Robinson, the Yahoo NFL reporter, told me on a

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Speaker 3: now is just this. This goes up so much that

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Speaker 3: teams that we think are going to be pinched are

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Speaker 3: not pinched. Now there are examples. Tyler Lindebaum is a

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Speaker 3: but because the Ravens are actually pinched to Doodo Lamar's contract,

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Speaker 3: Tyler could end up hitting the open market. It's tough

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Speaker 3: And certainly there are four or five teams in the

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. It's a Bucking Fitz takeover. He's buck Rising out,

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Speaker 3: Jason Fitz. We're usually hanging out with you on Saturday

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Speaker 4: It's Friday.

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Speaker 3: I'm in love. That's what happens here. Uh, he's Buck

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Speaker 5: Hell, I'll take him back? Are you kidding me? I'm

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Speaker 5: a lot of people just like to label that as

440
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 5: diva behavior because that's an easy and lazy thing to do.

441
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 5: But there's layers to it. And I only speak to

442
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 5: that because I know him a little bit.

443
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 6: And not well.

444
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 5: I mean, he's been in Philadelphia longer than he was

445
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 5: in Tennessee at this point now, so I wouldn't pretend to,

446
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 5: you know, know everything about the person that is AJ Brown.

447
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 5: I just have a general feeling of what he was

448
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 5: at the early onset of his career working with a

449
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 5: guy like Mike Frable, because I've had them both here

450
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 5: in Tennessee. But I just don't think beyond that. You

451
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 5: have to have a situation that knows how to deal

452
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 5: with him because he is a little complicated, and that's fine.

453
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 5: There's plenty of good players who are complicated. He's worth it, right,

454
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,239
Speaker 5: We would all agree a J. Brown worth it, some

455
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 5: of those complications that he brings. Two, he has to

456
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 5: go to a place where there's there He's going to

457
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 5: be the primary mouth that needs to be fit right.

458
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 6: And I can't imagine they.

459
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Speaker 5: Bring back Stefan Diggs Pop Douglas. I mean, he's not

460
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 5: gonna lose targets to the likes of Pop Douglas or

461
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 5: I don't know if mac Collins is still under contract

462
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 5: there next year that I know that the Patriots need

463
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 5: additional skill position players, and AJ Brown would immediately be

464
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Speaker 5: the best wide receiver that the Patriots have had since

465
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 5: who I mean, it's been a long time since they've had,

466
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 5: if ever, besides the likes of Randy Moss, when they've

467
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 5: had a playmaker of that caliber alone beyond what the

468
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 5: quarterback was able to make of the wide receivers that

469
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Speaker 5: he had. So I think ajspecific AJ situation is very specific.

470
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 5: I think that specific situation really only means the Patriots,

471
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 5: and that's not great leverage for you to have if

472
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 5: you're the Pats, be.

473
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Speaker 6: Like, hey, you're really the only we're really the only

474
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 6: place that you can move him to.

475
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Speaker 5: And how he just sits around to me like, well,

476
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 5: you know Howie Roseman's not necessarily pressed to move AJ

477
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 5: Brown at this particular moment. Next year, I think it

478
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 5: becomes a more interesting conversation because that dead money. I

479
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 5: think it's like forty five right now. I think it

480
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 5: drops down to about twenty seven. Looking at AJ's contract

481
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 5: again over the cap SPA track, they're not completely accurate

482
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Speaker 5: in terms of all the different language and things like

483
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 5: that they're in the contract. They are a general guiding

484
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 5: principle that we in the general general population have to

485
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Speaker 5: work with to understand, all right, what makes sense and

486
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 5: what doesn't.

487
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the forty three million dollars is a hefty tag

488
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: or a hefty hit if they trade him before June first,

489
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: it does go down if they trade him after June first. Trades,

490
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: unlike cuts, can't be designated too, So just for everybody's clarity,

491
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: they can't trade him before the draft and then designated

492
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Speaker 3: as a post June first cut on a trade.

493
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Speaker 4: I'll give you.

494
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Speaker 3: One other team, though you didn't mention, that has a

495
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: boatload of salary cap space available. They have a ton

496
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: of cash and they also happen to be in a

497
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 3: win now mode. The third most cap space in the NFL,

498
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: according to over the Cap right Now, belongs to the Chargers,

499
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: and I keep looking at the Chargers and thinking about

500
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel. And now the Chargers already have lab McConkie.

501
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: They've got some weapons in there, but they need more.

502
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: We know they need more. We know that we expect

503
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: that they're going to want more. They get a piece

504
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: that's twenty eight when the season starts that Mike McDaniel

505
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: can play with as an extra piece in the chest form.

506
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day right now, again

507
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 3: according to the site, they have about seventy eight million

508
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: dollars just behind or seventy eight million dollars in the

509
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 3: effective cap space, eighty two million dollars in total cap space.

510
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: So they're behind the Titans and Raiders. But I continually

511
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 3: tell everybody if you're a Titans fan or a Raiders fan,

512
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 3: and you say, oh my god, look at how much

513
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: money we have to spend. Same for the Jets, Oh

514
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: my god, we have so much money. Just understand that

515
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 3: the Chargers have the same amount of money. So every

516
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: time that you think you're going to make a pitch

517
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 3: to somebody, hey come play here, the Chargers can offer

518
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: basically the same amount of cash on a team that

519
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: actually isn't going to suck, and they happen to play

520
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: in La, which is a place that a lot of

521
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: athletes enjoy playing. Like we sit here and talk about

522
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: tax rates and all these things all the time. Titans fans,

523
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 3: Raiders fans always mention no state income tax and all

524
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: of these things. Yeah, but quality of life for many athletes,

525
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: they love living in La So La.

526
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: The Chargers a ton of money.

527
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel, Chargers in a win now opportunity, especially not

528
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Speaker 3: knowing what Mahomes is going to look like early in

529
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Speaker 3: the season for Kansas City. I think Chargers will walk

530
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 3: into next season a heavy favorite in the AFC West,

531
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Speaker 3: even though the Broncos obviously just.

532
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 4: Had their run as well. I think the Chargers make

533
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: a lot of sense for aj brown Man.

534
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 5: That would be fun, I mean, and that would that

535
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 5: would be the biggest prove it moment or opportunity that

536
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert has, right because I'm right, I really and

537
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 5: it's not just because he malfunctioned in the in the

538
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 5: postseason again this year and has done so on a

539
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 5: regular basis. But I really need proof of concept for

540
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 5: Justin Herbert as an actually great quarterback. Like I get

541
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 5: that he should be he is prototypically everything that you

542
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 5: would want in a quarterback, and yet these major malfunctions

543
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 5: that he has come the postseason. I mean, they're they're

544
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 5: a legitimate knock on him. I don't know how much

545
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 5: more weight you give that than what he's able to accomplish,

546
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 5: because there's no question every offensive coordinator, every head coach

547
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 5: in the NFL would bend over backwards to have the

548
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 5: opportunity to try and make it work with Justin Herbert. Right,

549
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 5: you look at that guy and you say, it's not

550
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 5: even an I can fix him type of situation, because

551
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 5: there's really not that. I'm not sure what needs to

552
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 5: be fixed other than he he comes up small in

553
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 5: his biggest opportunities to this point, So it's not necessarily

554
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 5: an I can fix him because all the stuff that

555
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 5: should make him great is there and does.

556
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 6: Make him great during the regular season.

557
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 5: You give him a playmaker like that, no excuses anymore, right,

558
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 5: I mean, you give him somebody like the caliber of

559
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 5: AJ Brown.

560
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 6: Even if a J.

561
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 5: Brown is getting up there in years for a wide receiver,

562
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 5: that that position specifically tends to have a bigger drop

563
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 5: off after thirty or once you get to thirty than

564
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 5: your average NFL position, might I would love to see

565
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 5: that combination.

566
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Speaker 6: It's crazy that the Chargers have that much cap space.

567
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 6: I guess.

568
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 5: I guess they're really not paying because Khalil Mack is

569
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 5: coming off their books this year, right, I mean, he's.

570
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 6: The ageless wonder.

571
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Speaker 5: They've got a lot of expensive defensive contract that have

572
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 5: been kind of a hovering around there for the last

573
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 5: couple of years that they seem to be getting out

574
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 5: from under.

575
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 3: Look, your point on Justin Herbert is an important one.

576
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: I would I beg somebody to tell me what the

577
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: landmark key win is for Justin Herbert in his career,

578
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: because we certainly talk about Justin Herbert like he is

579
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: already elite. We talk about Justin Herbert in ways that frankly,

580
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: we don't even talk about Lamar and Josh Allen. Sometimes,

581
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: like everybody seems to have a reason why Justin Herbert

582
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: hasn't necessarily reached the same level as some of these

583
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks. And I hear it, I understand it. I

584
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 3: understand that just I'd kill to have Justin Herbert as

585
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: the quarterback of my favorite football team. All of these

586
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: things can be true at once. I just struggle to

587
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: find the landmarks, signature wins, Like if we were gonna

588
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: make a highlight reel to support Justin Herbert as.

589
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 4: Being the best quarterback or one of the best quarterbacks in.

590
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: The AFC, if we were gonna make that highlight reel

591
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: and you wanted to take the key moments of his.

592
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 4: Career, what are they?

593
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: Because certainly we talk about that, that's all we talk about.

594
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: It feels like with so many other quarterbacks. But yes,

595
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: I think one of the more interesting things about the

596
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: free agency we're about to see and the salary cap

597
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: we're about to see, the third most money available in

598
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: cap space belongs to the Chargers. But the other the Titans,

599
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: the Raiders, the Jets, the Commanders. They all stink, right,

600
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: So four of the five teams in the top five

601
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: they stink. The Seahawks also have a ton of money.

602
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: The Seahawks have sixty two million dollars. So the defending

603
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 3: Super Bowl champions have money if they how they choose

604
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: to allocate it.

605
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: This year, they've got so close.

606
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 5: By the way, get out of here, Get out of here, Seattle.

607
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 5: What you're out on the Seahawks is I mean, no,

608
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 5: I'm just jealous I'm very envious.

609
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 6: I hate them for that.

610
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 5: They shouldn't get to win it all and have a

611
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: bunch of cap space too, get out of here.

612
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: Like the crazy thing to me is that I've seen

613
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: all the reports that they're not going to franchise Tag

614
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: Kenneth Walker the third they have other priorities, all of

615
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: these things they keep talking about. Well, they also have

616
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: a ton of young players on the defensive side of

617
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: the ball that are going to be under contract for

618
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: a few years. They have a moderately priced quarterback that

619
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: they're probably gonna need a raise at some point. They

620
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: can literally make decisions on what makes the most sense

621
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: for them. Hell, the Rams have forty four million dollars

622
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: in cap space right now. There are good teams that

623
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: have cash to spend, which is really suffocating for bad

624
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: teams that are hoping, well, you know what, they won't

625
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: get any offers from good ones.

626
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: We could just simply overpay them.

627
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: Well, you kind of can't in this situation, so I

628
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: think that does. It's interesting to see what the market

629
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: for aj Brown is going to be, because certainly there

630
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: are some draft prospects in this year's draft at the

631
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: wide receiver position that a lot of people like, but

632
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: there aren't a lot of surefire answers if you mentioned

633
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: the Steelers earlier, Like, if the Steelers genuinely want to

634
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: try and figure out how to compete this year, if

635
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: they do bring back Aaron Rodgers, are they going to

636
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: keep the rest of that roster the same around him?

637
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: If they end up bringing in a random quarterback, are

638
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: they going to try and supplement that using their money

639
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: to bring in weapons like AJ Brown?

640
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 7: Like?

641
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: That's why I think as much as we talk about

642
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: AJ Brown reading a book on the sideline, he's a

643
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: proven commodity twenty He'll be twenty eight when the season starts.

644
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: He's had enough success.

645
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: I feel like there would be a boom of a

646
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: market for a player that Certainly we talk about the drama,

647
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: but the drama's worth it if you're one of these teams,

648
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: the Patriots, the Rams, the Chargers, that you feel like

649
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: you're you're in that moment.

650
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, did you say he will he will be

651
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 6: twenty eight. AG's not twenty eight yet.

652
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: Oh maybe maybe I'm wrong on that. That's a misspait.

653
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: He turns twenty nine. You're right, he's twenty eight. He

654
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: turns twenty nine out thirtieth.

655
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

656
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: See, I mean, and to your point, our NFL team's

657
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: really worried. Like twenty nine, you're sitting there saying, O, man,

658
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: it's only got two three years left in him. To

659
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Speaker 3: your point earlier, like who can I don't know.

660
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Speaker 5: Wide receivers are tough, man, Like, that's that's a really

661
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 5: tough thing to get into.

662
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Speaker 6: I know.

663
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 5: Mike Evans is thirty three, coming off his most injured

664
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Speaker 5: season of his career, but until that point still highly

665
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 5: productive regular thousand yard receiver. I mean, hell, Calvin Ridley

666
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: had a thousand yards here in Tennessee his first year

667
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 5: with Will Levison Mason Rudolf. They were three and four,

668
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 5: but like Calvin still had some juice. D Hop is

669
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 5: still out here doing it. We'll see where he ends

670
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 5: up landing in twenty twenty six if he decides that

671
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 5: he continues to want to play, and he's clearly passed

672
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 5: the peak of his powers, but he's still a completely

673
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 5: competent player and can give you a variety of different things.

674
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 5: So it just depends on I think it depends on

675
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 5: the specific skill set of the wide receiver that you're

676
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 5: talking about. I think AJ's game is going to age

677
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: fine into his thirties, provided he stay reasonably healthy.

678
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: It look, I think, if you're a speedster and that's

679
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: your one trick, if you're a Tyreek hill and your

680
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: one trick is that you can outrun everybody, you're getting

681
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: old and you're coming off a catastrophic injury. Davante Adams

682
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: is thirty three, Dude, Davante's thirty three, and nobody's sitting

683
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: here saying can Davante continue to contribute. I watched Jerry

684
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: Rice in his forties with the Raiders put up whatever

685
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: astronomical numbers, a thousand yard season three years in a

686
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: row as he went into his late thirties and early forties,

687
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: because I was looking at a rout running wide receiver

688
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: that had great hands and just knew how to sneakily

689
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: get himself open in the middle of the field, right

690
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: like when you are that guy when you wore that

691
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: sort of a receiver. And I think AJ is to

692
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 3: your point. AJ is not just a burner out here.

693
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: AJ's got a ton of size. He can he can

694
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: box out and get himself open in the middle of

695
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: his own right like.

696
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: He can turn around.

697
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: He can do everything that We're sitting here talking about

698
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: Kelsey being able to do at an advanced stage for

699
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: a tight end. Right, So, I think the game, particularly

700
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: for AJ Brown, ages well, I think what the problem

701
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: with the Eagles hasn't been Aj Brown. I mean maybe

702
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: the emotional part of it. The problem with the Eagles

703
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: is that they're passing game stinks because their quarterback has

704
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: regressed every single year. Like whether it's the play calling

705
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: isn't working, the system's not working. I don't think we're

706
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: seeing a quarterback that has been paid do less with

707
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: better weapons than we see in Philadelphia every single year.

708
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: Right now, something is suddenly broken with Jalen Hurtz and

709
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: it's up it's up to the Eagles to fix it.

710
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and and there's there's also been a lot of

711
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 5: rumblings in Philadelphia about well not just AJ's personality, but

712
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: like Jalen's personality not necessarily shining through. And Jalen Hurts

713
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 5: is a much more reserved individual than AJ Brown is. Right,

714
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 5: AJ's a bit of an easier target, I think, Whereas

715
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 5: it sounds like it's I guess what I'm what I'm

716
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 5: saying is it's not a one sided thing. There are

717
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 5: there are things there, whether it's I don't know, am

718
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: I am I wrong to call Nick Sirianni a bit

719
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 5: petulant because I think.

720
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Speaker 6: That's probably diplomatic.

721
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 5: I mean, he seems like he's not the easiest guy

722
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 5: to work with or be around. I'm sure he has

723
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 5: redeeming qualities too. I've never talked to him or met

724
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 5: him or anything like that. I couldn't speak to what

725
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 5: his day to day work personality is like, but I'm

726
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 5: sure there's some things that are grading.

727
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 6: And also when you're when you're in that.

728
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 5: Market in particular, that market more than just about any other.

729
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 5: You could say Boston, the New England area, you could

730
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 5: say New York, where there's just a greater vault volume

731
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 5: of media. Maybe they're not necessarily championship expectations anymore for

732
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: like the giants of the Jets of the next or

733
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 5: something like that, but like people have a higher level

734
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 5: of scrutiny in these major markets understandably, so it all

735
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 5: wears on you, like it can be okay, you can

736
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 5: still be a great player, and it be okay for

737
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 5: you to need a change of scenery, right. I think

738
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 5: that there is something to that. I think that John

739
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 5: Harbaugh is going to be an interesting example of that

740
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 5: where it got stale, had notably stale in Baltimore after

741
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 5: eighteen years. Now he's going to a fish bowl of

742
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: an environment with the New York Giants. We'll see if

743
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 5: the fresh start actually gives him the kind of thing

744
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 5: that he needs to reinvent himself and reinvent a program

745
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 5: that desperately needs it, or if it kind of caves

746
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 5: in on him a little bit. It feels like that

747
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 5: there's only extremes in Philadelphia, New York and Boston.

748
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Speaker 3: It's wild to me sometimes to think about the fact

749
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: that we're going to see Harball with the Giants and

750
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: not see Tomlin at all. It's going to be a

751
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 3: weird NFL season, all right. Coming up next, we will

752
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: finish the show as we finish every single bucking fits.

753
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Speaker 3: When you listen to us on Saturday time for the

754
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Speaker 3: single greatest what what are you looking at me like?

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Speaker 4: It's not that time yet? I had that I'm an

756
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Speaker 4: hour off. I'm an hour off, you know what.

757
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna figure out what we're talking about next.

758
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: I had my whole clock's an hour off.

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Speaker 4: I don't know more. Fox Sports Radio coming on next.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, I spurred up, unbelievable.

761
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Speaker 4: All right, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.

762
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Speaker 4: We'll keep breaking down what's gonna happen there?

763
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Speaker 6: Come up with somethingOther.

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Speaker 3: Fly Go Ahead Radio Sports Sports coming up next, Fox

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Speaker 3: It's two Pros and a cup of Joe on Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio. But it's a Bucking Fits takeover, Buck Rising,

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Speaker 4: This is very angry.

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Speaker 3: We've got very angry Friday morning music. Everybody in traffic

781
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: right now. They're angry because they thought that we were

782
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: gonna play would you rather?

783
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: But we're not.

784
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: Because I don't know how to read o' clock. I'm

785
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: a I'm still shook at. We're not done yet, Buck,

786
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: We have plenty left to get to this morning.

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Speaker 5: You gotta tell me that I've got I'm fully prepared

788
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 5: for the next hour and ten minutes. I'm just sitting

789
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 5: here wondering what the hell you're doing over there?

790
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: Well you know what that's ah.

791
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 5: Thank god Lorna and everybody else are there to keep

792
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Speaker 5: us on track. Otherwise you would have you would have

793
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 5: jumped ship and left me alone here for the next

794
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 5: you know, hour and ten minutes.

795
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Speaker 4: America does not want that.

796
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: America does not want a solo Buck rising for an

797
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 3: hour and ten minutes to watch philosophical I mean.

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Speaker 4: Would we question for you?

799
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 6: How do we feel?

800
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Speaker 4: I would that's fair, you would love it? Do you

801
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: love boneless chicken wings?

802
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: Because I don't know if you saw this, but a

803
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: court had to actually rule on a lawsuit to Buffalo

804
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: Wild Wings that was regarding whether or not they can

805
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: continue to call them bone in boneless chicken wings. And

806
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: the judge even said, even though they're essentially chicken nuggets,

807
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 3: they can be called boneless chicken wings.

808
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: Like, what are we doing?

809
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: Like number one, boneless is a superior product to bone in.

810
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 3: That's that's just a fact.

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00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: But you come on, how am I a moron?

812
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: No?

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00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 5: Not even I'm not even going to couch it by

814
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 5: saying you're displaying the behavior of the mora of a moron. No,

815
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to personally attack you and call you a

816
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 5: moron for that position.

817
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: A boneless chicken wing is a better product, like flats

818
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: over drums, over jumpsticks. Why would you wish the quality

819
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: of an actual chicken wing is far superior than a nugget.

820
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 4: Look, I mean I literally live.

821
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: I live minutes from Jay tims which is one national

822
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: awards is the best wings in America. Food TV is

823
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 3: recognized them multiple times, Jay Timothy's as the best wings

824
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: in America.

825
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 4: I love wings, I love flats. Flats are great.

826
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Speaker 3: I just happen to think the boneless, you know, boneless

827
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: over bone in like that, that's what advantage is the

828
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: bone given me. It's not giving me any tremendous advantage.

829
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 6: I just want the chicken.

830
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: So if I can just have the chicken, I you know,

831
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: especially a completely different kind of chicken, well that's yes,

832
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 4: it's a better kind of chicken.

833
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 5: And the breading is different compared to the regular outside

834
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Speaker 5: of a chicken wing.

835
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Speaker 6: That is fair.

836
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 4: That is all that.

837
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: These are all fair fair statements. Again, a flat is

838
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: better than a drumstick within that category, but then boneless

839
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: chicken wings, okay, nobody wants a trump stick over a flat.

840
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: They charge more for all flats in a bucket for

841
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: a reason, because flats are better. Like that, Nobody in

842
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: the world charges more for drumsticks than flats for a reason.

843
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 3: You want all flats in a bucket to pay enough.

844
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 6: Price, especially for as cheap as you are.

845
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 5: I'm surprised that's your argument that just because the thing

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00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 5: is more expensive it makes it better.

847
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it tells you it's more in demand,

848
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: it tells you it's more unpopular because more people agree

849
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: with my opinion. Flats over steaks like this is a fair,

850
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 3: This is ease. But look like they're each their own

851
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: sort of food group. Like I'm one that doesn't sit

852
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: here and say, like, for anybody that tells you turkey

853
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: bacon is any way equivalent to bacon, they're lying to you.

854
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 4: They're just different foods. Maybe you prefer turkey bacon to bacon.

855
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 6: I like turkey bacon.

856
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't mind turkey bacon, but do.

857
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 5: You I like it better than regular bacon superior product's

858
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 5: that's okay.

859
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: That's a little weird to me, I will admit, but

860
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: they're very different products. Like I don't think most of

861
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: the time we're looking at it and saying, oh, well,

862
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: this is better than bacon. Like, it's just it's different

863
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: than bacon. Chicken nuggets, boneless boneless chicken wings, or essentially

864
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: chicken nuggets for grown ups.

865
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 4: That's fine, that's great.

866
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: But if I'm just gonna dip it in a sauce

867
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: and dip it in blue cheese, like, man, it's an

868
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: easy vessel to dip it's got the chicken in the middle, I'm.

869
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 5: In no because you can't get I mean you can,

870
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 5: but it's not the same. So, like, I'm very specific

871
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 5: about the way that I like my wings. Now, I'm

872
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 5: not going to go out of my way. I'm not

873
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 5: gonna be a problem and be like I want all

874
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 5: flats or all drums. I'm fine with both. I like

875
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 5: the drums. I personally like the drums better. If you don't,

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Speaker 5: that's fine, no judgment, maybe a little judgment, but I

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Speaker 5: also in the state of Tennessee and specifically in Memphis.

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Speaker 5: I like Memphis style wings because they're fried extra hard,

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Speaker 5: like I like, I gotta have them a little crunchy

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Speaker 5: in the consistency. I gotta have the skin crunchy. I

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Speaker 5: gotta have the wings fried hard.

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Speaker 6: I gotta have the That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: You can't do that with the microwave chicken nuggets that

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Speaker 5: are actually boneless wings that you're describing to me.

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Speaker 6: It's just it's not good. You're wrong.

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Speaker 3: More Fox Sports Radio coming next. He's both rising. I'm

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Speaker 3: Jason Fitz. We'll keep breaking it down.

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Speaker 6: Moron