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Speaker 1: Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, April twenty fifth, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: Season fourteen, episode number six. Welcome to another edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the starts Draft week. We're all excited. Cowboys and the
Speaker 1: rest of the NFL will begin the draft tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of coverage for you guys. There'll
Speaker 1: be a live draft show that'll happen all tomorrow night
Speaker 1: throughout the draft from start to finish. Same thing Friday,
Speaker 1: same thing Saturday. Nick and his guys will be writing articles.
Speaker 1: Amber will be putting stuff together in Span for all
Speaker 1: of you Spanish speaking fans out there. So this will
Speaker 1: be a fun week. How's everybody doing. Dave Hellman is
Speaker 1: included in pretty much all of that. Yes, he is
Speaker 1: h He's gonna be writing somebody, Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: came in there. We're talking Spanish to each other, so
Speaker 1: maybe so when you learn Spanish. I don't know Spanish.
Speaker 1: I know a little bit of French and it helps
Speaker 1: me with Spanish. Tell me something in French? What was
Speaker 1: what I mean? What do you want me? Who do
Speaker 1: you say that? Like? Tell me something that's in French? Yeah? Say, uh, Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm betting that's not right. Like I'm
Speaker 1: betting you say something I said. I don't say. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Was he right? You know French? He said
Speaker 1: it halfway? He said half a sentence. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: halfway there and then I cut it off. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: not it, right, yeah, mad, Mad? Yeah? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So let's talk some Cowboys football. What I wanted to
Speaker 1: do today is I want to dissect the conversations yesterday
Speaker 1: that happened in the annual pre draft press conference. Now,
Speaker 1: I do need to put a caveat on that you
Speaker 1: probably believe about three percent of what you hear during
Speaker 1: this week from any GM or owner across the NFL,
Speaker 1: because what they say you always have to put through
Speaker 1: the lens of They could be saying this for the
Speaker 1: purposes of other teams also hearing that and and that
Speaker 1: affecting how they approached the draft. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about some of the things I think
Speaker 1: that came out yesterday and I want to get your opinions.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of questions that I have that
Speaker 1: came out of those those those statements, and then we'll
Speaker 1: get we'll hear for what you guys have to say,
Speaker 1: and then relate it back to the draft and how
Speaker 1: it could affect the Cowboys draft strategy tomorrow, Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with the Deys and the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: Steve Jerry said, we don't have a or they're okay
Speaker 1: with the idea that they don't have a pure X
Speaker 1: wide receiver to replace Diaz, and it sounds like they
Speaker 1: don't expect that that's going to be something that's coming
Speaker 1: in the draft. UM My question for you guys is
Speaker 1: can this team win without a true X receiver for
Speaker 1: this season? They believe they can, and that's really all
Speaker 1: that matters. I don't know about can they or can
Speaker 1: they not? But they they think they can because they
Speaker 1: watch the Super Bowl and they don't feel like the
Speaker 1: two teams in the Super Bowl have a number one receiver?
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I don't know, debatable of course,
Speaker 1: but but do they use them as a number one? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Jeffrey makes a lot of money, but is
Speaker 1: he the true number one? Is he the guy? You
Speaker 1: can make the case? Maybe the same for Jacksonville who
Speaker 1: got up there? And who did the Eagles be? I
Speaker 1: mean or the Vikings have two pretty really good receivers,
Speaker 1: I guess, but not guys that you think of as
Speaker 1: like the prototypical X. I mean, Stefan Diggs is not, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Adam Thielan is not. He's your typically MS rams
Speaker 1: did really well without a clear cut number one receiver,
Speaker 1: I mean you know so, I mean they didn't have
Speaker 1: a receiver that was all world yeah. I mean, which
Speaker 1: it's an interesting point because I mean, there is there
Speaker 1: are guys you could get in this draft to fit
Speaker 1: that mold. One of them is on the cover of
Speaker 1: our magazine, Courtland Sutton. But I don't necessarily get the
Speaker 1: hype because they just parted ways with that guy because
Speaker 1: it didn't work for them. I mean, obviously price point
Speaker 1: has something to do with that, but that didn't work
Speaker 1: with the style of football that they think they want
Speaker 1: to run. So it's weird to me that people think
Speaker 1: they want to run out and redraft the same player
Speaker 1: a month after they got rid of the guy that
Speaker 1: fits that mold. I mean they but they definitely could
Speaker 1: go back to that well in this draft. I just
Speaker 1: maybe you want to try something new. Well, let's ask
Speaker 1: that question. I think that they've seen what they can
Speaker 1: do with a great old line and the running game,
Speaker 1: so I would believe that's their main focus. They saw
Speaker 1: what they did in twenty sixteen with zek and the
Speaker 1: old line, so why not. They don't really need that
Speaker 1: kind of receiver, you know, just someone that kind of
Speaker 1: helps out a little bit, but not the main focus.
Speaker 1: So let's play Devil's advocate here for a second. Let's
Speaker 1: say you run up against the team that has a
Speaker 1: really good run defense. What do you do then, Because
Speaker 1: we've seen in this offense, with this offensive line and
Speaker 1: this running back, there have been a few teams in
Speaker 1: the last two years that were able to solve the
Speaker 1: riddle though stopping this running game. So what do you
Speaker 1: do when you run up against that If you don't
Speaker 1: have a true X receive, Well, you lose ten to
Speaker 1: seven to the Giants up there, which is what they did.
Speaker 1: I mean, now they did come back and beat him
Speaker 1: last year, but um, that's a good that's a good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be able to solve that.
Speaker 1: And they didn't do that so well that Dak's first year.
Speaker 1: About the second year that they had better answers for
Speaker 1: teams like that. But you're right, I mean, I hear
Speaker 1: what you're saying about you're a running team, but you
Speaker 1: do need to scare some people off a little bit
Speaker 1: with your with your ability to go deep or at
Speaker 1: least to stretch the defense. And so I think that
Speaker 1: they need some um, they need some speed. I think
Speaker 1: it receiver as I've never heard that before. That's what
Speaker 1: I thought of this morning. I said, well, you know
Speaker 1: when when two people, you know, line up to race,
Speaker 1: the guy that wins, you want that guy. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: want that guy, and you know, let him stress the
Speaker 1: field a little bit. You know what was interesting is
Speaker 1: as Jerry was talking and making this statement, particularly about
Speaker 1: the receivers m he did mention the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of want somebody that can come in and
Speaker 1: contribute a little bit and uh and kind of give
Speaker 1: you a little speed. And I don't know how many
Speaker 1: people noticed that, but to me that stood out because
Speaker 1: if even more so than finding a guy that can
Speaker 1: be an X for you this year, it seems like,
Speaker 1: really to focus should be can you find somebody that
Speaker 1: does something different than this other ghooping of wide receivers
Speaker 1: and the one thing that they don't have in spades
Speaker 1: right now is speed. See I'm going a different way
Speaker 1: with this. I don't really agree. And first of all,
Speaker 1: to play a wide receiver in the NFL, you gotta
Speaker 1: be pretty fast. I mean, just as a you do you,
Speaker 1: I mean you generally speak, you have to have better
Speaker 1: been a couple of percent of the human population. So
Speaker 1: I mean, you know four or five. Oh no, that's
Speaker 1: not super fast. I get it, But you gotta have
Speaker 1: it to play corner two. You do. No, But I'm
Speaker 1: not that interested in a receiver who's gonna quote unquote
Speaker 1: tape to take the top off of the defense, because
Speaker 1: I think the world of Dak Prescott. But I think
Speaker 1: there's a little bit to be said about how off
Speaker 1: he was on those deep balls last year. I mean,
Speaker 1: when him and Dez looked at their worst, more often
Speaker 1: than not, it was trying to connect on balls more
Speaker 1: than twenty yards downfield. You just didn't see that, and
Speaker 1: so I think of it more. And plus I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Terrence Williams is faster than he
Speaker 1: gets credit for, and Deonte Thompson is a speed guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, they brought in a guy with similar characteristics
Speaker 1: to Bryce Butler who can do that what I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: And again you mentioned the Patriots, the Eagles, the Rams.
Speaker 1: These are all teams, Like, I don't know that they
Speaker 1: have Brandon Cooks is a pretty fast guy, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that they have all world speed among their
Speaker 1: receivers either. I think big thing for them is finding
Speaker 1: different ways to get their guys open, Like I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about mesh points and having receivers running crossing routes and
Speaker 1: creating space and a guy who can run great route,
Speaker 1: who can create extra separation on a curl because of
Speaker 1: his footwork or an end and can get that extra
Speaker 1: step Like I don't care about having home run threats
Speaker 1: because I don't think that's suited to this quarterback's strengths.
Speaker 1: I would rather just have receivers who can get open
Speaker 1: and make life easy for him. I do agree with
Speaker 1: a lot of that. My question would be, it seems
Speaker 1: like at least over the last couple of years, there
Speaker 1: were at least a few opportunities, a few times that
Speaker 1: we saw him connect well with Bryce Butler down field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I guess I wouldn't say that that's not a
Speaker 1: part of his game as much as maybe he and Dez,
Speaker 1: just as we all know like he and Dez would
Speaker 1: just not on the same in his career. Obviously, he
Speaker 1: has shown an ability to hit the deep ball, and
Speaker 1: he and for the millions time I'll say it, he
Speaker 1: did it with Dez consistently in twenty sixteen. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened last year. I mean, I'll never know,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that anybody will. He can do it,
Speaker 1: but I think I just think his skill set. I'd
Speaker 1: just rather have a guy or multiple guys who can
Speaker 1: consistently be open eight to fifteen yards down field and
Speaker 1: give him easy throws. I don't really care that much
Speaker 1: about going, you know, running a nine and being open
Speaker 1: fifty yards down field. So how many wide receivers in
Speaker 1: this year's draft can give you that kind of production?
Speaker 1: Do you think this year? Based on where they are
Speaker 1: right now? Without developing them. They can give you that
Speaker 1: this year. I just described the top two receivers in
Speaker 1: this draft, and that it's only those two. No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a bad year for receivers. I think, Oh, well,
Speaker 1: you're being sarcastic. No, I don't think. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a dynamic receiver. If there was, he'd
Speaker 1: be drafted higher. I don't think there's a dynamic receiver.
Speaker 1: But I think that there is a good it's a
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of good receivers. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any great ones. And the simple fact is that you
Speaker 1: have a chance to get the best one in the
Speaker 1: class at number nineteen in Calvin Ridley, who is considered
Speaker 1: the best one. You're right in the sense that there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of talent at the top. But I
Speaker 1: think after that, yeah, after that, there is a lot
Speaker 1: of There's as many as twelve guys who could come
Speaker 1: right in and do something for you right away, which
Speaker 1: to me, really it's a lot that's I'm not and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be surprised if they wait until the
Speaker 1: third round to draft a wide receiver. If the board
Speaker 1: falls that way, and you think they could help this year,
Speaker 1: I guess is the again, that's that's the question. Help. Yes,
Speaker 1: not step in and be Dez Bryant from day one,
Speaker 1: But I think they've you know, I think they've taken
Speaker 1: steps too. They don't need that. Remember this was the
Speaker 1: third receiver on that team. That's I mean, it's easy
Speaker 1: to forget. Dez Bryant did not have this crazy impact
Speaker 1: in his rookie years and Roy Williams were the starters,
Speaker 1: and I remember I think it was this is me
Speaker 1: for are you talking about his rookie year. Yeah, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I thought you're talking about last year. This is me,
Speaker 1: This is me from the outside. I didn't cover the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at the time, but I remember as a younger
Speaker 1: Saints fan in twenty twelve he abused Patrick Robinson and
Speaker 1: had like almost a two hundred yard day. But if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, the first half of his twenty twelve
Speaker 1: season was pretty bad and he caught fire towards you know,
Speaker 1: in the second half, like and then he was just
Speaker 1: he got it, I guess, and he was just reeling
Speaker 1: off one hundred yard game after a hundred yard game.
Speaker 1: Point being, it took Dez Bryant longer to get acclimated
Speaker 1: to the NFL than people. Remember, that's kind of my point.
Speaker 1: They're working on it. Well, yeah, no, I mean that's
Speaker 1: that's but I mean he didn't have a thousand yards
Speaker 1: right out of the gate, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: So I think there's guys that can contribute right away.
Speaker 1: I don't think Calvin Ridley maybe, but I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who could step right in
Speaker 1: and have a really impactful season right away. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what this team needs. So doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the linebacker position. Yesterday, Stevens said that
Speaker 1: his expectations are that Jalen's going to make a t
Speaker 1: a huge step this year, and he even mentioned that
Speaker 1: they're really looking for depth in this draft. It made
Speaker 1: me think, or it sounded to me like he was
Speaker 1: suggesting that Jalen Smith would be the starter this year
Speaker 1: along with Sean Lee. Are you guys comfortable with the
Speaker 1: idea that we haven't seen it yet because he still
Speaker 1: has been He played a lot last year. I think
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year, I think he was
Speaker 1: much better than earlier in the season. But are you
Speaker 1: comfortable with the idea of the Cowboys going into this
Speaker 1: season thinking of Jalon Smith as their number two linebacker.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with that, but I don't know if that
Speaker 1: necessarily means not do anything by in the draft. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you expect that, But you also have to
Speaker 1: expect Sean Lee to be hurt. I mean that's what
Speaker 1: you have to you know, or at least expect him
Speaker 1: to not be their full sixteen games, and then after that.
Speaker 1: I mean, just like receiver, you've got to think about
Speaker 1: what the position looks like next year. So I really
Speaker 1: see them drafting a linebacker pretty high in this. I
Speaker 1: know they got Joe Thomas for depth purposes. They still
Speaker 1: have Damien Wilson, but I mean, you know, they haven't
Speaker 1: really replaced I mean, Hitchens had a role last year
Speaker 1: and they haven't replaced that yet. So I think that this,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a position of need, and the most
Speaker 1: important role I think that Hitchens had was in the
Speaker 1: event Sean Lee goes down, he steps in. That's the
Speaker 1: part missing, right, Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: need three to play too, that's I mean, Shaan Lee
Speaker 1: has in the lengthy injury history he's gonna turn thirty
Speaker 1: two while we're a training camp Jalen, I'm rooting like
Speaker 1: hell for the kid. Yeah, we haven't a party, we
Speaker 1: can see. I'm sure he's the one throwing it. Um,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be wild. Watching tape on his iPad counts
Speaker 1: as a party. Sure. I like that kind of pouted.
Speaker 1: I mean, you need, you need a guy. And what
Speaker 1: j Jalen was at his best last year when he
Speaker 1: was playing like fifty percent of the snaps are less
Speaker 1: like when they threw him into the deep end, he
Speaker 1: wasn't quite ready for it. And I hope, like hell,
Speaker 1: he takes that step forward that Stephen suggested he would.
Speaker 1: That's great. Can't count on that. Hoping is a bad strategy. Um,
Speaker 1: they need a guy. They need a guy who can
Speaker 1: preferably play middle and weak side at a high level
Speaker 1: like they got it. They need him. That's why I
Speaker 1: keep I don't I would prefer not to draft a
Speaker 1: linebacker at nineteen, but I just can't talk myself out
Speaker 1: of out of it. I just think they need it
Speaker 1: too much. The two positions they need to me, the
Speaker 1: most receiver in linebacker that you talked about are exactly
Speaker 1: the same in that that there's nobody there, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I take that back. It's not it's safety and linebacker.
Speaker 1: That's exactly the same. There's just two really good studs
Speaker 1: that aren't gonna make it to nineteen. Then after that,
Speaker 1: it's just an incredible drop off safety and linebacker. And
Speaker 1: that's one of them where you would like to get
Speaker 1: one of those up there, but it's not gonna work
Speaker 1: for you, and then you have to somewhat reach it linebacker.
Speaker 1: Maybe Evans's I don't think. I don't think the drop
Speaker 1: off it's safe linebackers is steep because I think Rashaun
Speaker 1: Evans and Layton Vanderesh, that's you get into this happens
Speaker 1: every year, like you get into this think tank where
Speaker 1: like you know, Layton Vanderesh and Rashaan Evans aren't as
Speaker 1: good as Roquan Smith, and that means they're bad players
Speaker 1: and that's just not true. Um, maybe it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a reach, but I still like nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: bat an eye if either one of those guys is
Speaker 1: drafted in the first round. So I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a crazy reach in that regard, but they are not
Speaker 1: as good as Roquan Smith. I just want you to
Speaker 1: do more than one year in college. It's fair, Vanderesh,
Speaker 1: just especially at Boise. I mean, you can't do a
Speaker 1: lot more of your freshman and sophomore year. And I
Speaker 1: mean Lake Bloomer, I guess, and he's big, big guy
Speaker 1: six four, right. I mean, I mean, I'm there. You
Speaker 1: can talk all day about their ups and downs and
Speaker 1: their warts and their bright spots, like I get it,
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this question. I heard this
Speaker 1: the other day. I was listening to a program and
Speaker 1: I heard someone who was a draft expertus as there
Speaker 1: are plenty that seems to be out there now, and
Speaker 1: his critique of Anderesh was that he's a guy that
Speaker 1: needs to play more physical. Have you seen that? Is
Speaker 1: that's something that you hear because hearing that from a
Speaker 1: linebacker reminds me of what was said about Bobby Carpenter
Speaker 1: coming out was he wasn't he wasn't the most physical guy.
Speaker 1: And and I'm like, if you're playing linebacker and you're
Speaker 1: not physical, that's it's kind of part of the giant
Speaker 1: name is bart But but again, I don't watch Vanderesh,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to hear from you I think study
Speaker 1: that goes back into the group think trap where you're like, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Brian Broadus goes on the Draft Show and says,
Speaker 1: I want him to be more consistently physical. I want
Speaker 1: him to fight through the trash and get off the blocks.
Speaker 1: The game where he looked the best was Oregon, where
Speaker 1: nobody could get a second level block on him. But
Speaker 1: when they do, he doesn't fight off of it that well.
Speaker 1: People hear that and they say, well, he's not physical.
Speaker 1: He's like he can't tackle, blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and it's a valid criticism, but it snowballs into like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a guy who's six four, two
Speaker 1: fifty isn't physical. I don't think I believe that. But again,
Speaker 1: to Nick's point, he's a one year starter. He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of developing to do in consistency to get whereas.
Speaker 1: And then you turn it around on Rashaun Evans, the
Speaker 1: guy from Alabama, which is I don't feel great about
Speaker 1: him in coverage. I don't know how, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I trust his instincts one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But like when he gets to the ball carrier, no,
Speaker 1: there's no question about his physicality, like he brings the pain.
Speaker 1: So again, I think valid critiques that Snowball too lazy
Speaker 1: talking points. Okay, do you think that the Cowboys need
Speaker 1: to use one of their top three picks. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start with you, Amber, one of their top three picks
Speaker 1: on a linebacker this year. And then I want you
Speaker 1: all kind of day if you have some names of
Speaker 1: some guys that you think that might fall into that category.
Speaker 1: We mentioned vander Esh, but any other names that we
Speaker 1: think fall into that category, I'd love to hear them, Amber,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: go about it without doing so. When when you guys
Speaker 1: were talking about Jalen Smith watching him, I'm rooting for him.
Speaker 1: I believe in him. He's a great player, a great guy.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: occasions where I would watch him play and it looked
Speaker 1: like he would rush things like his instinct He has
Speaker 1: the instincts, but they're not at the right place yet.
Speaker 1: He has a lot of learning to you and I
Speaker 1: watch him and compare him to Sean Lee, very similar
Speaker 1: player in the way they play, but he's still way
Speaker 1: far away from being that guy. Now, can you hear me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just up now, Sean Lee. You guys talked about
Speaker 1: him great player, and you can't really rely on him
Speaker 1: and playing him. I don't really like hearing what Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones said about having Jalen Smith and kind of fully
Speaker 1: trusting him. You still need to bring the guy and
Speaker 1: rotate him. And like Dave said, fifty percent of the
Speaker 1: times that he was on there, that's when he was
Speaker 1: at his best. I don't think he's quite there yet.
Speaker 1: And the most popular guy is the one you guys
Speaker 1: were just talking about, vandersh He's the one that people
Speaker 1: keep talking about and expect him to come in for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He's the most popular name. And again I
Speaker 1: have my different opinions. I would like to trade go up,
Speaker 1: try to get there when James. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen that. I think we're all in that it's unlikely,
Speaker 1: but you're not. But there's a there's a scenario that
Speaker 1: actually makes sense that they may be in position to
Speaker 1: trade up. But you know what bothers me is like,
Speaker 1: I mean some of the things I don't really hear
Speaker 1: much about that, about the need of safety, I'm not
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I'm worried about it, but I
Speaker 1: don't hear it around. You know what everyone's talking about.
Speaker 1: People talk about linebacker, wide receiver, what about safety? Like, hello, guys,
Speaker 1: I mean this is a big need. I don't understand
Speaker 1: why people are not talking about that. Oh, maybe there's more.
Speaker 1: I think they're talking about it. I know I'm talking
Speaker 1: about it. I've been talking about it for months. I
Speaker 1: have to off the record. Okay, let's just since the
Speaker 1: health and it's like sitting right here, let's just talk
Speaker 1: about it, like, because I think that affects everything that
Speaker 1: you do. You're talking about trading up a trade up
Speaker 1: in and I get you to hold for just a minute,
Speaker 1: hold on that thought. We're gonna go to a break.
Speaker 1: When we come back. Nick's going to give us this
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Speaker 1: It is the second second month the Break Clive for
Speaker 1: the s WBC morters studios at the Star. We're talking draft.
Speaker 1: We're talking about pre draft press conference today that Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, and Jason Garrett held yesterday. Nick, you were
Speaker 1: about to talk to us a little bit about the
Speaker 1: safety position. There was some thought you had there that
Speaker 1: I don't think it's been expressed. Yeah, let's let's get
Speaker 1: to it. This is like ranked second into the I
Speaker 1: want a speed receiver. I've think have been beat right. Um,
Speaker 1: I do think that they need to make a trade
Speaker 1: and they need to try to get a veteran safety
Speaker 1: in here. And I mean, we all know who he is.
Speaker 1: He's sitting out there in Seattle, and if they can,
Speaker 1: if they pull that off, you know, it would count
Speaker 1: about eight and a half million on the cap. That's
Speaker 1: pretty close to what probably got to resign him though,
Speaker 1: I mean to resign. I think that's part of his
Speaker 1: problem in Seattle is that but to make it work
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, it works because of what you just
Speaker 1: did with Dez Bryant. So yet technically it works, but
Speaker 1: you're not going to make that trade if you don't
Speaker 1: feel like you could sign him long term. Then again,
Speaker 1: he's not sprinting after a four quarter game to your
Speaker 1: head coach to say come get me and not looking
Speaker 1: to play a little bit long term. I think so, um,
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be. It's got to be
Speaker 1: in the plans though tomorrow. I mean, because if you
Speaker 1: want to know what you gotta do there is let's
Speaker 1: say you don't have a second round pick that might
Speaker 1: affected you want to trade it back a little bit.
Speaker 1: That would be my dream scenario right there. Make the trade,
Speaker 1: lose your second round pick, move back in the first
Speaker 1: round if you possibly could, I know what's easier said
Speaker 1: than done from nineteen late or mid twenties, late twenties,
Speaker 1: and then take the receiver that you really want. You
Speaker 1: really want DJ Moore or Courtlandt Sutton and I think
Speaker 1: they sit better at twenty six, twenty seven, twenty something.
Speaker 1: That would be ideal. I mean, if we're just talking
Speaker 1: dream scenarios, yeah, draft dreams, that would be that would
Speaker 1: be pretty great. It just seems to me like they could,
Speaker 1: This could happen, and I'm actually expecting if it does happen,
Speaker 1: it would happen Friday, because I think those kind of
Speaker 1: things typically happen when when you're kind of faced with it,
Speaker 1: and I think in the break day if you made
Speaker 1: the point, and I'll let you make the point for yourself,
Speaker 1: but just kind of think of when it would be
Speaker 1: advantageous because Seattle would have all the information that they'd
Speaker 1: want to know. Maybe that is Friday. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I read a stat that the Seahawks haven't picked
Speaker 1: in their original slot in the first round since twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, they're movers and shakers. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they would agree to do that tomorrow until because again,
Speaker 1: the thing that the thing that even makes me think
Speaker 1: this is possible is that Seattle doesn't have a second
Speaker 1: or a third round pick, and we know how much
Speaker 1: they value drafting. We know they need to make their
Speaker 1: roster younger, and they've gotten they lost a lot of players. Yeah, ton,
Speaker 1: but if they can trade back from eighteen tomorrow night
Speaker 1: and get a second or you know, get the picks
Speaker 1: they want that way, then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: leverage is gone, and so I don't know why they
Speaker 1: would agree to that tomorrow. I think it would have
Speaker 1: to be a Friday thing. You know. There was a
Speaker 1: moment this week, and hey, I mean he never had
Speaker 1: he never said the name, not no tampering, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But Stephen Jones answered a question in the press conference
Speaker 1: yesterday about trading for a veteran who wants a contract extension,
Speaker 1: and how you make that stuff work was his response.
Speaker 1: He I mean, he's like, you know, you gotta that's
Speaker 1: the gamble. You gotta the gamble you gotta make. You gotta,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta work with their people. You gotta
Speaker 1: try to get something done. You gotta, you know, either
Speaker 1: do that or or try to play hardball and hope
Speaker 1: that they'll play under their current terms of their deal
Speaker 1: while you figure something out. It's happening, but see it
Speaker 1: better happened. I don't care when it happens. It better
Speaker 1: happened killing me. Listen, the Cowboys, there's no way they're
Speaker 1: feeling okay with what they have right nowt of that.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I definitely agree, but also
Speaker 1: not well, okay, I can't think it could be going
Speaker 1: into this draft dope thinking we don't feel comfortable, we
Speaker 1: got to do something in the draft. I don't know
Speaker 1: that it necessarily means I will I mean you could.
Speaker 1: It has to be two parties that want to do
Speaker 1: the deal like this is we always get, you know,
Speaker 1: the fan emails that comes in and says, hey, go
Speaker 1: out and trade Terrence Williams for Earl Thomas, Like it
Speaker 1: has to be both sides here, here's here's here's the thing.
Speaker 1: And the difference is Nick loves to point this out.
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas put this in the store in the news
Speaker 1: cycle himself. Yes, he ran across the field and flagged
Speaker 1: down Jason Garrett and say don't get me room. I
Speaker 1: mean ultimately, you know that doesn't like he was in
Speaker 1: there taking off his shoulder pads, like what's up, homie?
Speaker 1: I mean like you know that doesn't matter right at uht.
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas doesn't sound anything like that. He's got this
Speaker 1: like deep East Texas voice, like like it's it's very
Speaker 1: startlingly deep. Um point being a million a million trades
Speaker 1: get talked about in the NFL like all the time,
Speaker 1: like I have heard after the fact about conversations that
Speaker 1: were had in this bill for trades where it fell apart.
Speaker 1: For some reason, it never got off the ground floor,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, because so much goes into that.
Speaker 1: And this is obviously something that has been talked about.
Speaker 1: It's been kicked around here, It's been kicked around in Seattle.
Speaker 1: But I would argue ninety eight percent of player trades
Speaker 1: fall apart. I would I guarantee that that happens. And
Speaker 1: so I look at it. I'm sorry, Nick, you're good.
Speaker 1: I look at it, and I think I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I don't think they feel one hundred percent comfortable, But
Speaker 1: I think the flip side of that is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we do all this, we take on all this money
Speaker 1: for the thirty year old guy, or we hope, like
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, we hope that Xavier Woods can take that
Speaker 1: step and be our free safety. And five different times
Speaker 1: in the last month when Stephen Jones has been asked
Speaker 1: about this, he has said the name Xavier Woods. I
Speaker 1: thought it was really funny. Actually, Cavon Frasier quote tweeted
Speaker 1: a tweet from Stephen Jones about this last night that
Speaker 1: mentioned Xavier Woods and not him, and he was like
Speaker 1: shaking my head, like, what the hell, man, I'm a
Speaker 1: bust doesn't even know exactly, no, exactly. So I think
Speaker 1: the flip the flip side of that is they say,
Speaker 1: all right, we can spend all these resources on this
Speaker 1: all pro guy, or we hope that our young guy
Speaker 1: that we thought the world of last year can take
Speaker 1: the next step and we draft somebody behind him. And
Speaker 1: they brought in two or three safeties who fit that
Speaker 1: day two, day three mold. And that's how you do
Speaker 1: it on the young and cheap. And I know that
Speaker 1: doesn't excite people, and I'm not saying it's gonna work,
Speaker 1: but I won't be surprised if that is what they do,
Speaker 1: because that's way easier to do. And that's wow wow,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is I mean, I honestly, I honestly
Speaker 1: believe that they need more help. But I agree with
Speaker 1: Dave that the mo has been that when they get
Speaker 1: on a particular position, they're willing to go young and say,
Speaker 1: we're going to ride it through with these young guys
Speaker 1: and see if we can draft a guy that we
Speaker 1: think and Stephen talked about it yesterday. There's the thing
Speaker 1: about the young guys is if you draft them early
Speaker 1: and you get them playing early, you have a better chance.
Speaker 1: If they can play, you have a better chance of
Speaker 1: signing them to longer term deals then playing in that
Speaker 1: free agency. He Marty didn't do that. They didn't. They
Speaker 1: drafted early, and they're moving that. The ones that they
Speaker 1: didn't draft early, Cavon Fraser and Xavier Woods, they're hoping
Speaker 1: they can do something with. But I mean, no, and
Speaker 1: I wasn't early in the draft. I mean just drafting
Speaker 1: them as they're you're drafting them, bringing them in and
Speaker 1: letting them play early, not necessarily drafting them, right. I
Speaker 1: think that the reason why I think this is going
Speaker 1: to happen. I agree, there's a lot of trades that
Speaker 1: ever get talked about, but this, there's got so many
Speaker 1: elements to this. Number one, there is a need. There's
Speaker 1: a need at safety. There's so much of a need
Speaker 1: that they moved Byron Jones already. I mean that they're
Speaker 1: moving him to get a better position. So now they've
Speaker 1: created even a bigger need. When you get a new
Speaker 1: coach in here that you like and you want to
Speaker 1: build some things around him and give him some an idea,
Speaker 1: I mean, because I think Chris Rahshard is a guy
Speaker 1: they really like, maybe leaving long term as a coordinator.
Speaker 1: You want to give him some some you know, things
Speaker 1: to work with. From what I hear, he's pretty much
Speaker 1: on the table for this, so that he's you got
Speaker 1: a guy that's lobbying for him that you want this
Speaker 1: system to work. You hired me. Here's a guy that
Speaker 1: we know and can make you know into a really
Speaker 1: good player. Then also Seattle needing those picks, I just
Speaker 1: you know they're sitting there. It works for them. The
Speaker 1: fact that he ran over the field and say that
Speaker 1: he wants to be here. There's just a lot of
Speaker 1: factors here that make this thing work. And the money
Speaker 1: now works. So there's just a lot of things that
Speaker 1: just keeps pointing to this. The smoke. There's fire. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of smoke. Let's be some fire. There's and
Speaker 1: I won't be surprised. But like I said, there's twenty
Speaker 1: components are more to a player of trade that have
Speaker 1: to go right. All twenty of them have to go right.
Speaker 1: Only one has to go wrong for it to not happen.
Speaker 1: And so like san Diego saying, I'll give you the
Speaker 1: forty sixth pick in the draft and you're like Seattle
Speaker 1: or you know, New England's like, we need we need
Speaker 1: our we need our we need our night soldier, we
Speaker 1: need our right tackle of the future. We're coming up
Speaker 1: to eighteen. We'll give you our two or whatever. Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't think New England, No, New England has an
Speaker 1: extra two. I don't think that changes as much as
Speaker 1: you might think. Like if Seattle trades back and gets
Speaker 1: another pick or two, I still I don't think that
Speaker 1: affects that much. Yeah, they're getting more picks. That takes
Speaker 1: off one of those aspects, but they still don't want
Speaker 1: him in that price tag and they think they're gonna
Speaker 1: they could get something for him maybe, But I mean
Speaker 1: it's I mean, take two picks, take on one one
Speaker 1: year at eight point five, and then you get a
Speaker 1: compic when he leaves in free agents? Would you trade
Speaker 1: I'd trade a two and probably as much as maybe
Speaker 1: a five. What would you do? Maybe that much? Either
Speaker 1: my two or my three do more than one pick? No,
Speaker 1: if if they were like two and a four or
Speaker 1: two and oh five, if that, I mean, if it's
Speaker 1: gonna get it done, I'd probably do it. But I'll
Speaker 1: just say this, like I'm sorry ahead him, No, I
Speaker 1: would about to change the object. Sorry you got us
Speaker 1: it was, I mean, but what but from what you're saying, Nick,
Speaker 1: I mean, I actually would be kind of shocked if
Speaker 1: this happens. And I think it just comes back to
Speaker 1: this has not been what the what the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: done the last several years, Like they don't go out
Speaker 1: and free agency and or and and I guess even
Speaker 1: from a trade standpoint, they don't go out and get
Speaker 1: high priced guys. And I just so, so that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it doesn't happen. It just means I would be
Speaker 1: kind of shocked if he did it. Is this a
Speaker 1: Jerry type move? Though Jerry does that these kind of things.
Speaker 1: Stephen really doesn't. But also, what could the seat be
Speaker 1: any hotter for Jason Garrett? I mean, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. It could be going into a season though.
Speaker 1: If they go is this the hottest seat he's been
Speaker 1: on since he's been here? If they go ten and six,
Speaker 1: when the East lose the first round, is he the
Speaker 1: coach next year? I don't know. I don't know. They
Speaker 1: didn't win a playoff game, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: even see that. That tells me that is an extremely
Speaker 1: hot seat. If you're if you could go to the
Speaker 1: playoffs and not win a playoff game and you're gonna
Speaker 1: get fired, that's a hot seat. So my point is
Speaker 1: is that getting a guy that can help me right now,
Speaker 1: it's the best second round pick you're ever gonna dress
Speaker 1: bow Bob worries me a little bit. There was a quote,
Speaker 1: I believe it was Jerry who said it. He kind
Speaker 1: of talked about when you get rookies in here and
Speaker 1: how they can be a quick impact and do you
Speaker 1: remember that listening to it? Something like that that you
Speaker 1: can trust some of these guys because they've seen it.
Speaker 1: Some rookie guys come in and an impact and make
Speaker 1: an impact in the game. Now, that worries me when
Speaker 1: I hear something like that, because that's not always the case.
Speaker 1: You're taking a risk. And when you talk about the
Speaker 1: group of safeties, the guys that you have right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm veteran guys, but you don't have anyone that
Speaker 1: scares teams. You don't have anyone that is like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we're playing against this guy. So you put
Speaker 1: in a rookie and you're expecting him to make be
Speaker 1: a game changer and make a difference that's not very realistic.
Speaker 1: So they need a veteran guy that comes in the
Speaker 1: game and other teams are worrying about him. A rookie
Speaker 1: is not gonna do that, probably not, unless, of course,
Speaker 1: you get somebody like Derwin James. Now, if you can
Speaker 1: move up and get a Derwin James and maybe you
Speaker 1: do create that kind of then we're talking about something there. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I would rather take Girl Thomas, really yeah, because I
Speaker 1: because I still get another player, And I bet Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett would rather do that because he gets two players
Speaker 1: as opposed to one. You lose your second round pick
Speaker 1: by going up six spots or whatever to don't you
Speaker 1: lose a team. You're a second round pick. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna try to get Earl Thomas. He's saying, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you get a nineteenth overall pick as well. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to trade the second the first to move up
Speaker 1: to get James, who you think is going to be
Speaker 1: good as opposed to But you're not really giving up
Speaker 1: the first because you're going up, you're getting a first
Speaker 1: right right, two players versus one. I get Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: Trade for Derwin gets you one players with your nineteen
Speaker 1: one player with your nineteenth and fiftieth. Oh, you're saying
Speaker 1: because you're counting Earl Thomas as a guess well, I mean,
Speaker 1: is he gonna coach or is he gonna play? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I'm not certain about that,
Speaker 1: but I guess that, and I ask you that question
Speaker 1: earlier this week. I do think there is an argument
Speaker 1: that can be made. Do you want the guy that's
Speaker 1: approaching thirty or do you want a guy that you
Speaker 1: think could be just as good at the beginning of
Speaker 1: his career. Where the money is is is like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about a young guy approaching thirty
Speaker 1: with both of his last two seasons significantly affected by injury, Right,
Speaker 1: so there a lot of money. And if you really
Speaker 1: think Darwin James is a legit player, like you think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really great, I know it's still a risk,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that I fall. And I'm an
Speaker 1: old Thomas Thomas fan. I don't know if I fall
Speaker 1: in the category is saying, if I have my choice
Speaker 1: between the two, if they cost me the same amount,
Speaker 1: like if I got to give it my second for both,
Speaker 1: I kind of think I want the young guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, how much voice does
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett having this? I mean he has the head coach.
Speaker 1: I think he has. I think he has a voice.
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I think when it
Speaker 1: comes down to it, that's one areas where I actually
Speaker 1: do believe Jerry when he says that they make group decisions.
Speaker 1: I really believe Jason has a voice. I think Will
Speaker 1: has a voice, even has a voice, and I think
Speaker 1: Jerry has a voice. And I think at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, Jerry's the one has to make the
Speaker 1: final decision. But I don't think Jerry makes decisions on
Speaker 1: an island. I think he makes decisions based upon the consensus.
Speaker 1: The cool thing about the draft is you can see
Speaker 1: that play out in the war room. Like it's not like,
Speaker 1: I mean they're all together. You can see them all
Speaker 1: having conversation. Yeah, yeah, I hate that we're talking about
Speaker 1: here what Yeah he didn't say heck, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was funny. I mean, I'll I'm I'll be the
Speaker 1: buzzkill I always am. But I don't think either one
Speaker 1: of those two guys is on this team. On Saturday Afternoon,
Speaker 1: Earl am Earl or Irwin. I think it's because you're
Speaker 1: you're bessimistic, and I tend to be a linebacker or
Speaker 1: receiver and the best valued guy they get somewhere else,
Speaker 1: or maybe they trade for one and that's just the two.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Yeah, sorry, let's move on. I do one,
Speaker 1: they don't draft. I mean, if if they don't trade
Speaker 1: for Earl Thomas, I do think they'll be sitting there
Speaker 1: with the third fourth round picks and they'll be they'll
Speaker 1: be looking to do that with somebody. I think that
Speaker 1: they do make a trade this year for a veteran player.
Speaker 1: It may not be Earl Thomas. It'll be somebody. It
Speaker 1: might be a linebacker that you don't get, you know,
Speaker 1: it'll be I just think that that's a route that
Speaker 1: we're going. Yeah. I think it's a route where we'll
Speaker 1: see them take this year. And I think they can
Speaker 1: probably think the Eagles for that. You got the picks
Speaker 1: to do it. You have the picks to do it, right.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our final break, and when we
Speaker 1: come back. I want to talk about the offensive line.
Speaker 1: There was some conversation yesterday on the offensive line and
Speaker 1: the players involved there, and then We're going to talk
Speaker 1: about how that could affect their draft strategy when we
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Speaker 1: we know, I just don't know if people are can
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Speaker 1: let's get into u's getting back into this conversation around uh,
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Um, yesterday in the press conference, UM,
Speaker 1: I think it was I want to say it was
Speaker 1: Stephen that was talking about the offensive line. He said,
Speaker 1: they have tremendous, tremendous flexibility to look at both guards
Speaker 1: and tackles. You say, that was a pretty good question
Speaker 1: something you Yeah, it was a question that came from
Speaker 1: our own David Hellman's true, really good question. I thought
Speaker 1: Stephen had a look on his face where was a
Speaker 1: little bit I don't know if it was that he
Speaker 1: didn't like you or a little perplexed by the question,
Speaker 1: but he answered it. So that's all I feel like
Speaker 1: Stephen and Jerry or the like, you're like, who's this guy?
Speaker 1: Why he know they know who you are? And they're like,
Speaker 1: he you know who you are? No, No, I mean
Speaker 1: it in the sense of like this guy works for us. No.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that they just like that's our guy.
Speaker 1: That's our guy with that question, but like not like
Speaker 1: your tone was admirable, admiring, you know that their tone
Speaker 1: is like like that's our guy, that's our guy. That
Speaker 1: question whether the statement is yeah, that's our guy. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: good question, Dave. Um And the thing that stood out
Speaker 1: to me about the about the answer was that it
Speaker 1: sounds like they're comfortable with Fleming, who they got in
Speaker 1: free agency, coming in and starting at either right tackle
Speaker 1: or being their swing tackle, and they're also comfortable with
Speaker 1: Lyo either being at right tackle or at left guard. Um. So,
Speaker 1: by question for you guys is what do you think
Speaker 1: is the best scenario you're entering the draft. Do you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys should be going in thinking, hey, let's
Speaker 1: get a guard so that we can keep Lyo where
Speaker 1: he is and we can have Fleming be our swing
Speaker 1: and you've then upgraded your offensive line from where you
Speaker 1: were last year. Do you think they have to go
Speaker 1: in thinking, hey, we need to get a tack we
Speaker 1: can move Lyle inside because there are better tackles in
Speaker 1: the draft where we're gonna be picking, and we'll still
Speaker 1: have that person can even either battle with Fleming for
Speaker 1: the starting job or be the swing tackle. What do
Speaker 1: you think is the best case scenario for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: on offit splay? I think what the best case scenario
Speaker 1: is if they get their hands on a guard who
Speaker 1: can compete for the starting job and leave Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: where he is, and then Cameron Fleming becomes maybe the
Speaker 1: best swing tackle in football right now. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you've got three really good tackles, two of whom can
Speaker 1: start on either side. Hell Lyle might even be able
Speaker 1: to start on either side. I don't know. But you've
Speaker 1: got three great tackles, and then you've got a really
Speaker 1: talented rookie who could push Marcus Martin for the starting
Speaker 1: job or maybe even just start. And then I mean, man,
Speaker 1: that sounds nice. Let me interrupt nasty this question. Is
Speaker 1: that more about the fact that you want to keep
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins where he is because I know I've heard
Speaker 1: you say before you really want to keep him out
Speaker 1: at right tackle. Is this more about a decision of
Speaker 1: keeping him where he is, or is just because you
Speaker 1: think that overall that's the best scenario. I think it's
Speaker 1: are all the best scenario because your lack of tackle
Speaker 1: depth killed you last year. It absolutely I think it's
Speaker 1: as big almost killed to quarterback. It's this bit. It
Speaker 1: is so tied into everything because your line fell apart,
Speaker 1: your quarterback got murdered. I think he lost his confidence
Speaker 1: during that stretch of time where Tyrant Smith couldn't play.
Speaker 1: I think more so than any I think that's why
Speaker 1: he looked worse than normal in November and December of
Speaker 1: last year. I think I just I think the world
Speaker 1: of the job that Lyle Collins did at right tackle
Speaker 1: last year, and I think it would be a shame
Speaker 1: to dismantle that tackle depth if you don't have to.
Speaker 1: But having said that, that's what I said, I think
Speaker 1: they should do. What I think will happen is I
Speaker 1: think they're going to draft a tackle to either start
Speaker 1: or be the swing tackle and move Lyle to guard
Speaker 1: because I think the way this draft shakes out, that's
Speaker 1: more plausible because unless you draft a guard at nineteen,
Speaker 1: which they could do. They brought in one. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a couple guys there that makes sense. But unless
Speaker 1: you do that, then I don't know where you find
Speaker 1: a guard that's definitely gonna be good enough to do
Speaker 1: what you want, Whereas you can find a few tackles
Speaker 1: who fit that criteria. And I just I think it's
Speaker 1: easier to find a good tackle in this draft and
Speaker 1: move lyle than it is to find a good guard.
Speaker 1: I would be focused on guard, and when you have
Speaker 1: a guy that has done a good job at a
Speaker 1: certain position, you would want to keep him there, especially
Speaker 1: if that guy comes out and says, that's where my
Speaker 1: focus is at, that's where my mentality is at his
Speaker 1: training right now to be a tackle, to stay at tackle.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to mess with the guys that
Speaker 1: is feeling confident and comfortable at a position that he
Speaker 1: has shown succeeds success. Yes, so yeah, I would. If
Speaker 1: I'm the Cowboys, I would go in with my focus
Speaker 1: being guard. Now, worst case scenario, if you need to
Speaker 1: make a move, then you need to, and there's no
Speaker 1: way around it. Then yeah, you have that secure. Marie
Speaker 1: Blankett would well that you can move him. But if
Speaker 1: as of right now, I wouldn't be focused on that.
Speaker 1: So are you guys at all surprised hearing what Amber said?
Speaker 1: Are you guys at all surprised if they didn't make
Speaker 1: more of an effort to possibly resign Jonathan Cooper because
Speaker 1: if you thought now again, I think that I'm basing
Speaker 1: this on the fact that I think in this room
Speaker 1: we all thought Jonathan Cooper played well last season, not great,
Speaker 1: but played well. If you had Jonathan Cooper on this
Speaker 1: team right now now, you really have flexibility because right
Speaker 1: now you're looking at it, you feel like starting day,
Speaker 1: you've got your starting five, You've got a good swing tackle,
Speaker 1: you feel really good about where you are from the
Speaker 1: offensive offensive live standpoint, and if you happen to run
Speaker 1: across the guard in the draft that you really love,
Speaker 1: there's no reason why Jonathan Cooper couldn't be kind of you.
Speaker 1: You kind of kind of keep him. Maybe you don't
Speaker 1: keep him, but he did. It's he signed this big
Speaker 1: deal with San Francisco. Right I don't feel any differently.
Speaker 1: I've never watched Marcus Martin play. It's not my job
Speaker 1: to Brian does that, But based on what they gave
Speaker 1: him and where he comes from, I think he's just
Speaker 1: as good, if not better than Cooper. But the fact
Speaker 1: that it's not set, I mean, they love to create
Speaker 1: competition and they love the best five idea. Do you
Speaker 1: think Marcus Martin is a starter caliber guard? I think
Speaker 1: he could start on this line. Sure, yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: again I'm not watching his tape, but just based on
Speaker 1: how much they paid him to get here and his
Speaker 1: prior history, I mean, he could be the weak link
Speaker 1: on this line just as easily as Jonathan Cooper could be.
Speaker 1: But I think that's the difference is but the weak
Speaker 1: link means you're not in the Pro Bowl, right, No,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. But that's okay, right, But there
Speaker 1: ends in the whole line. I don't think they're in lies.
Speaker 1: Therein lies your argument though, Like, do you want to
Speaker 1: have a weak link at guard or move a potential
Speaker 1: would have been top ten pick over there and have
Speaker 1: an experienced veteran or a potential high draft pick battling
Speaker 1: out at right tackle. I mean, if you subscribe to
Speaker 1: that best five idea, then you could conceivably have badasses
Speaker 1: at every position other than just allowing for a weak
Speaker 1: link that left guard. They've they've done a nice job
Speaker 1: of kind of just protecting themselves at this position for
Speaker 1: nothing to happen or a lot of things to happen.
Speaker 1: If they get wiped out with the guys they want
Speaker 1: and they're sitting at nineteen, no trade back scenarios. You
Speaker 1: have to make a pick here, and the best guy
Speaker 1: available is Mike McGlinchey, then you draft him, and then
Speaker 1: you take him at right use, play them at right tackle,
Speaker 1: and Lyle's probably going to be playing guard for you.
Speaker 1: Or if the best one available is a guard, let's
Speaker 1: say it's a James James Daniels or maybe Will Hernandez.
Speaker 1: This thirty seven bench press for Will Hernandez pretty strong
Speaker 1: for me, because I mean that's what they need. They
Speaker 1: need a guy that can push the pile, and I
Speaker 1: think that he could come right in and help you
Speaker 1: that happens, and then obviously Lyle's playing right tackle, so
Speaker 1: and then Martin and Fleming are also just going to
Speaker 1: kind of factor in if nothing happens here. It's all
Speaker 1: it's a good scenario, I think for O line. It's
Speaker 1: all nebulous and literally I mean that. I asked that
Speaker 1: question because I wanted him to say that and basically
Speaker 1: confirm that what they do with their offensive line is
Speaker 1: going to depend on what they come out of this
Speaker 1: draft with that's and he said they have the flexibility
Speaker 1: pretty much whatever they want to do exactly so or
Speaker 1: do nothing, I guess, I mean from where you talking
Speaker 1: about Martin, they did nothing. They probably still feel okay
Speaker 1: about where they are. Well, I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: do but but it's just a man. I'm saying, do
Speaker 1: something that affect that that will have an impact this
Speaker 1: year if if what happens is you know, and there's
Speaker 1: there's some mid round guys. There's a kid from Washington
Speaker 1: State who's like a mid round guy that they brought
Speaker 1: in on a visit. If they draft him and let
Speaker 1: him and Marcus Martin fight it out for guard and
Speaker 1: leave Lyle where he is, I'm fine with that. And yeah,
Speaker 1: like you could have a better left guard, but on
Speaker 1: a line full of pro bowlers, you should be able
Speaker 1: to survive that in my opinion. But you can't survive
Speaker 1: is what you deal with last year at your swing tech,
Speaker 1: which is why it seems like they've solved that problem
Speaker 1: at least, well, well, what for the time being. The
Speaker 1: problem does become if you move lys All down the guard,
Speaker 1: now you've created that position, You created that situation where
Speaker 1: you now have to have somebody that could lay swing
Speaker 1: tackleft Tyrn goes down if you're or do you move
Speaker 1: a second guy from their position where they are now
Speaker 1: just to be the tackle you put on the left side.
Speaker 1: You could ask you could draft a tackle and make
Speaker 1: him play guard. They did it with Chazz. You could
Speaker 1: do it again. You could draft that. I that's I
Speaker 1: just want every just don't mess with a good thing.
Speaker 1: I agree with. I actually agree with that. Don't mess
Speaker 1: with it. I'm hopeful that they find the right answer
Speaker 1: at guards a Lyle stays attack moving guys your best
Speaker 1: option as a swing tackle. I love that they signed
Speaker 1: Fleming to be a swing tackle. They did. I mean,
Speaker 1: his contract says that he's not going to be making
Speaker 1: a lot of money unless he starts so many games,
Speaker 1: and then if that happens, then, which is fine, that's
Speaker 1: what it should be. Right. You moved Byron Jones because
Speaker 1: you're not sure what he can be better at Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins was pretty damn good at a more important position
Speaker 1: in my opinion. All right, let's uh real quickly. I
Speaker 1: did want to talk a little bit about the tight
Speaker 1: end position. U. Something that Stevens said was he thinks
Speaker 1: some guys are being overlooked at this position. He mentioned Jarwin,
Speaker 1: he mentioned Swam, later he mentioned Rico, and then we
Speaker 1: find out last week I think it was that James
Speaker 1: Hannah has decided to retire such one less guy as
Speaker 1: far as your depth is concerned to tight end. Are
Speaker 1: the concerns that you guys have right now about the
Speaker 1: tight end position. And I want to take it from
Speaker 1: two different standpoints. From the short term, which is this season,
Speaker 1: and also from the long term, knowing that Jason Witten's
Speaker 1: not getting any younger and there doesn't appear to be,
Speaker 1: at least from the standpoint of the amount of time
Speaker 1: that they've played, a clear replacement for him that's on
Speaker 1: the roster. Yeah, I think there it should be a
Speaker 1: position that they address in this draft, and maybe more
Speaker 1: of a pass catcher type, just because I think that
Speaker 1: they need that that position. They need to get somebody
Speaker 1: that can kind of get open a little bit. Swam
Speaker 1: and Jarwin and even Hannah and those guys. I mean
Speaker 1: that they didn't really. I mean, Witten is still somewhat
Speaker 1: getting open. He's making some good plays, He's not getting
Speaker 1: open as much as as he did. They needs a
Speaker 1: little bit more athleticism at that position, um, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and a guy that's played a lot of football in
Speaker 1: his career as well. I don't care about tight end
Speaker 1: at all. I'm in the short term or the long
Speaker 1: term until eighty two decides that he's okay. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this question, do you think and I know everybody,
Speaker 1: it seems like, at least from a standpoint the way
Speaker 1: the coach talks about it, Um, it seems as though
Speaker 1: there is this, uh, there's this thought that well, Witt
Speaker 1: and just won't come off the field. Do you think
Speaker 1: that this is a situation where I don't want it
Speaker 1: to give you won't but doesn't I mean either the
Speaker 1: way that its Ricky Waters for who for what? Well?
Speaker 1: But that's my question, that's my question. Should they be
Speaker 1: looking to try to get if they if they really
Speaker 1: like Jarwin, if they really like Rico. At some point,
Speaker 1: are they gonna have to say, Jason, You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to start splitting up some of those reps because we
Speaker 1: need to get these younger guys on the field to
Speaker 1: see if they can play right. Well, you think they
Speaker 1: should do that, Maybe somebody should be drafted. They can
Speaker 1: take him off there and maybe somebody's drafted. But but
Speaker 1: they've they've tried that before and that hasn't worked. They
Speaker 1: drafted a kid in the top fifty not that long ago,
Speaker 1: and they've done it three times since. Okay, but I'm
Speaker 1: i mean years. But okay, it's hard to compare Fasano
Speaker 1: and Martellis. I mean, Witton was in his prime back then,
Speaker 1: but Witton in the in the third in the final
Speaker 1: chapter of his career, if you I mean break it
Speaker 1: into five year stretches, toward the closer to the end
Speaker 1: than the beginning. They drafted a guy in the top
Speaker 1: fifty and he couldn't really do anything with that. Witten
Speaker 1: played ninety seven. He's the reason I love the Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas trade even more. Who give because it gives us
Speaker 1: something to watch a training camp or no? No, because
Speaker 1: well that I'm not even that would matter. I wasn't
Speaker 1: talking about that would be a lot of fun. I
Speaker 1: was talking about Escobar. Oh you're gonna give a second round.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, when I think about it being picked
Speaker 1: on Kevin Escobar, I'm like, yes, sounds pretty good. How
Speaker 1: many Sean Lee is really? I was about to say,
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee is about the one I could think of,
Speaker 1: And well, I mean the guy you're paying seventeen million
Speaker 1: dollars to Marcus supposed good SECD round figure. It's there's
Speaker 1: every reason to believe that they can find a good
Speaker 1: second round player, but they've got plenty of history with
Speaker 1: bad ones too, And I for bet it's It's not
Speaker 1: my place to comment on whether Jason Witten should come
Speaker 1: off the field. Honestly, I mean he's he's gonna be
Speaker 1: the longest tenured cowboy in history. He's going to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He can do whatever he wants until
Speaker 1: he decides he retires. As far as I'm concerned, he's
Speaker 1: still he's not as good as he used to be.
Speaker 1: He still does his job effectively enough that and no,
Speaker 1: he's not. You know, it would be fun to have
Speaker 1: like a David and Joku type of guy, or or
Speaker 1: an Evan Ingram who can do all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't like these guys don't want that type of
Speaker 1: guy anyway, Like they've shown nothing to say that that
Speaker 1: that's how they want tight ends to play, Like it's
Speaker 1: easy to daydream about a tight end with Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: like ability running down the scene. Like they don't want
Speaker 1: that guy. They want no offense to Jason went and
Speaker 1: they want like the boring style of tight end play.
Speaker 1: And not only that, yeah, but the other part to
Speaker 1: that too is that they they respect what he'll does
Speaker 1: from a leadership standpoint. We've seen this happen throughout the
Speaker 1: NFL history of the NFL. A guy that is a
Speaker 1: really great leader, they will give that guy many more
Speaker 1: years of being on a team. It happened with Woodson.
Speaker 1: You look at a guy like ray Lewis. Ray Lewis
Speaker 1: wasn't playing his best football by the end, but he
Speaker 1: was such a great leader that they were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll deal with some of the things where he's taking
Speaker 1: a step back because the leadership is so good, right.
Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of the same thing with
Speaker 1: Witton that you have to factor in all of that
Speaker 1: when you talk about who he is as a player.
Speaker 1: The positives outweigh the negatives in my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: he got flagged four times last year, his yards perception
Speaker 1: or the lowest of his career. I still think the
Speaker 1: positives outweigh the negatives. I still think he can be
Speaker 1: a meaningful contributor to a good team. And I still
Speaker 1: think he's gonna play ninety five percent or more of
Speaker 1: the snaps. He got flagged four times last year. That's
Speaker 1: what the that's what I read. I mean, we'll not read.
Speaker 1: But like I went back and looked at it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's almost won a game. It does,
Speaker 1: but that's one a month. Yeah, Ford, I mean that's
Speaker 1: got flag. I mean, got a false start every single
Speaker 1: game and it was fine. He got flagged three times
Speaker 1: for holding and once for false start last year. That's it. Yeah, God,
Speaker 1: I thought it was. He did all he did. He
Speaker 1: might have two of his three There might have been
Speaker 1: some declined ones in the maybe, but two of his
Speaker 1: three holds wiped out like fifty yards of rushing yard
Speaker 1: and um, I don't know, man, I just I'll worry
Speaker 1: about that when he decides to retire, because like they'll
Speaker 1: worry about the few, like why just why are you
Speaker 1: gonna draft this guy? You know, Mike Mike Kiseki from
Speaker 1: Penn State is like he's that's he's the Jimmy Graham
Speaker 1: this year. Like you're just gonna have him wither away
Speaker 1: on the bench because he not getting on the field
Speaker 1: that I'd rather have a guy who can do more
Speaker 1: for me. And the one thing you'll say about tight
Speaker 1: end too, is it seems it seems like replacing a
Speaker 1: tight end is a lot different than a quarterback. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to get the quarterback in there early and
Speaker 1: give him chance to kind of be ready for when
Speaker 1: he takes the mantle. For tight end, it seems like
Speaker 1: if you draft the right one, you can bring him
Speaker 1: in in year one. They can be a really good
Speaker 1: for you. See what New York did not to mention
Speaker 1: for what they want their tights to do. Hannah and
Speaker 1: Swam can develop just as well at him in their rule.
Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, um Jarwin, Yeah, I gotta re focus myself,
Speaker 1: but train yourself well. You develop as blockers and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff in practice and in the two and
Speaker 1: three tight end sets like they're not. I'll believe they're
Speaker 1: gonna draft an Evan Ingram when I see it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: at least as long as this coaching staff is in place.
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