WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Cowboys Draft Wish List 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.400 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.600 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.320 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:18.680 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:24.040 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:29.159 Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.600 Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, April twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.000 Season fourteen, episode number six. Welcome to another edition of 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.400 The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.800 the starts Draft week. We're all excited. Cowboys and the 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.600 rest of the NFL will begin the draft tomorrow night. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.920 We have a lot of coverage for you guys. There'll 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.040 be a live draft show that'll happen all tomorrow night 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.000 throughout the draft from start to finish. Same thing Friday, 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.240 same thing Saturday. Nick and his guys will be writing articles. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.800 Amber will be putting stuff together in Span for all 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.560 of you Spanish speaking fans out there. So this will 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.800 be a fun week. How's everybody doing. Dave Hellman is 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:08.440 included in pretty much all of that. Yes, he is 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.000 h He's gonna be writing somebody, Yeah, I think I 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.160 came in there. We're talking Spanish to each other, so 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.120 maybe so when you learn Spanish. I don't know Spanish. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.000 I know a little bit of French and it helps 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.640 me with Spanish. Tell me something in French? What was 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.280 what I mean? What do you want me? Who do 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:34.520 you say that? Like? Tell me something that's in French? Yeah? Say, uh, Cowboys, 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.440 I don't know. I'm betting that's not right. Like I'm 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.959 betting you say something I said. I don't say. I 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.959 don't know. Was he right? You know French? He said 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.640 it halfway? He said half a sentence. Yeah, I got 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:52.160 halfway there and then I cut it off. Okay, that's 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:59.680 not it, right, yeah, mad, Mad? Yeah? Yeah, all right, 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.920 So let's talk some Cowboys football. What I wanted to 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.120 do today is I want to dissect the conversations yesterday 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.639 that happened in the annual pre draft press conference. Now, 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.400 I do need to put a caveat on that you 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.880 probably believe about three percent of what you hear during 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.959 this week from any GM or owner across the NFL, 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.560 because what they say you always have to put through 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.080 the lens of They could be saying this for the 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:30.080 purposes of other teams also hearing that and and that 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.960 affecting how they approached the draft. So with that being said, 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:35.960 we're gonna talk about some of the things I think 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.959 that came out yesterday and I want to get your opinions. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:40.519 I have a couple of questions that I have that 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.000 came out of those those those statements, and then we'll 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.560 get we'll hear for what you guys have to say, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.080 and then relate it back to the draft and how 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.840 it could affect the Cowboys draft strategy tomorrow, Friday and Saturday. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.400 Let's start first with the Deys and the wide receiver position. 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.799 Steve Jerry said, we don't have a or they're okay 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.320 with the idea that they don't have a pure X 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.080 wide receiver to replace Diaz, and it sounds like they 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.120 don't expect that that's going to be something that's coming 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.560 in the draft. UM My question for you guys is 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.560 can this team win without a true X receiver for 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.040 this season? They believe they can, and that's really all 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.040 that matters. I don't know about can they or can 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.240 they not? But they they think they can because they 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.040 watch the Super Bowl and they don't feel like the 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.360 two teams in the Super Bowl have a number one receiver? 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.840 I don't know. If I don't know, debatable of course, 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.680 but but do they use them as a number one? Yeah? Yeah, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.600 I mean Jeffrey makes a lot of money, but is 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.440 he the true number one? Is he the guy? You 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.080 can make the case? Maybe the same for Jacksonville who 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.200 got up there? And who did the Eagles be? I 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.560 mean or the Vikings have two pretty really good receivers, 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.640 I guess, but not guys that you think of as 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.800 like the prototypical X. I mean, Stefan Diggs is not, yeah, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:53.080 and Adam Thielan is not. He's your typically MS rams 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:57.160 did really well without a clear cut number one receiver, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:58.880 I mean you know so, I mean they didn't have 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.560 a receiver that was all world yeah. I mean, which 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.280 it's an interesting point because I mean, there is there 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.000 are guys you could get in this draft to fit 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.280 that mold. One of them is on the cover of 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.520 our magazine, Courtland Sutton. But I don't necessarily get the 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:15.400 hype because they just parted ways with that guy because 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.040 it didn't work for them. I mean, obviously price point 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.159 has something to do with that, but that didn't work 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.160 with the style of football that they think they want 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.080 to run. So it's weird to me that people think 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.599 they want to run out and redraft the same player 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.400 a month after they got rid of the guy that 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.440 fits that mold. I mean they but they definitely could 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.000 go back to that well in this draft. I just 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.480 maybe you want to try something new. Well, let's ask 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.120 that question. I think that they've seen what they can 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.120 do with a great old line and the running game, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.880 so I would believe that's their main focus. They saw 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.240 what they did in twenty sixteen with zek and the 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.039 old line, so why not. They don't really need that 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.440 kind of receiver, you know, just someone that kind of 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.679 helps out a little bit, but not the main focus. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.120 So let's play Devil's advocate here for a second. Let's 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:02.840 say you run up against the team that has a 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.040 really good run defense. What do you do then, Because 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.599 we've seen in this offense, with this offensive line and 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.960 this running back, there have been a few teams in 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.160 the last two years that were able to solve the 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.880 riddle though stopping this running game. So what do you 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.680 do when you run up against that If you don't 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.479 have a true X receive, Well, you lose ten to 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.000 seven to the Giants up there, which is what they did. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.320 I mean, now they did come back and beat him 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.480 last year, but um, that's a good that's a good question. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.560 I mean, you have to be able to solve that. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.720 And they didn't do that so well that Dak's first year. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.600 About the second year that they had better answers for 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.040 teams like that. But you're right, I mean, I hear 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.400 what you're saying about you're a running team, but you 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.760 do need to scare some people off a little bit 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.400 with your with your ability to go deep or at 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.560 least to stretch the defense. And so I think that 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.479 they need some um, they need some speed. I think 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.280 it receiver as I've never heard that before. That's what 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.680 I thought of this morning. I said, well, you know 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.039 when when two people, you know, line up to race, 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.640 the guy that wins, you want that guy. Yeah, you 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.520 want that guy, and you know, let him stress the 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.360 field a little bit. You know what was interesting is 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.919 as Jerry was talking and making this statement, particularly about 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.520 the receivers m he did mention the fact that you know, 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.360 you kind of want somebody that can come in and 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.720 contribute a little bit and uh and kind of give 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.839 you a little speed. And I don't know how many 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.040 people noticed that, but to me that stood out because 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.480 if even more so than finding a guy that can 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.720 be an X for you this year, it seems like, 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.599 really to focus should be can you find somebody that 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.599 does something different than this other ghooping of wide receivers 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.000 and the one thing that they don't have in spades 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.880 right now is speed. See I'm going a different way 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.160 with this. I don't really agree. And first of all, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.320 to play a wide receiver in the NFL, you gotta 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.880 be pretty fast. I mean, just as a you do you, 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.880 I mean you generally speak, you have to have better 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:54.120 been a couple of percent of the human population. So 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.760 I mean, you know four or five. Oh no, that's 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.680 not super fast. I get it, But you gotta have 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.919 it to play corner two. You do. No, But I'm 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.840 not that interested in a receiver who's gonna quote unquote 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.159 tape to take the top off of the defense, because 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.640 I think the world of Dak Prescott. But I think 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.640 there's a little bit to be said about how off 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.680 he was on those deep balls last year. I mean, 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.160 when him and Dez looked at their worst, more often 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.400 than not, it was trying to connect on balls more 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.240 than twenty yards downfield. You just didn't see that, and 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.440 so I think of it more. And plus I think, 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.360 I mean, I think Terrence Williams is faster than he 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.400 gets credit for, and Deonte Thompson is a speed guy. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.080 I mean, they brought in a guy with similar characteristics 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.600 to Bryce Butler who can do that what I'm looking at. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.520 And again you mentioned the Patriots, the Eagles, the Rams. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.000 These are all teams, Like, I don't know that they 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.000 have Brandon Cooks is a pretty fast guy, but I 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.120 don't know that they have all world speed among their 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.200 receivers either. I think big thing for them is finding 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.440 different ways to get their guys open, Like I'm thinking 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.600 about mesh points and having receivers running crossing routes and 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.960 creating space and a guy who can run great route, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.960 who can create extra separation on a curl because of 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.040 his footwork or an end and can get that extra 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.040 step Like I don't care about having home run threats 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.720 because I don't think that's suited to this quarterback's strengths. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.120 I would rather just have receivers who can get open 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.280 and make life easy for him. I do agree with 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.880 a lot of that. My question would be, it seems 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.160 like at least over the last couple of years, there 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.760 were at least a few opportunities, a few times that 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.640 we saw him connect well with Bryce Butler down field. Yeah, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.920 so I guess I wouldn't say that that's not a 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.280 part of his game as much as maybe he and Dez, 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.040 just as we all know like he and Dez would 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.000 just not on the same in his career. Obviously, he 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.880 has shown an ability to hit the deep ball, and 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.080 he and for the millions time I'll say it, he 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.560 did it with Dez consistently in twenty sixteen. I don't 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.679 know what happened last year. I mean, I'll never know, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.240 but I don't know that anybody will. He can do it, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.400 but I think I just think his skill set. I'd 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.959 just rather have a guy or multiple guys who can 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.800 consistently be open eight to fifteen yards down field and 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.280 give him easy throws. I don't really care that much 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.080 about going, you know, running a nine and being open 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.800 fifty yards down field. So how many wide receivers in 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.199 this year's draft can give you that kind of production? 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.200 Do you think this year? Based on where they are 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.960 right now? Without developing them. They can give you that 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.640 this year. I just described the top two receivers in 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.040 this draft, and that it's only those two. No, No, 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.360 I mean there's a bad year for receivers. I think, Oh, well, 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.199 you're being sarcastic. No, I don't think. I mean, I 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.600 don't think there's a dynamic receiver. If there was, he'd 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.199 be drafted higher. I don't think there's a dynamic receiver. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.120 But I think that there is a good it's a 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.720 there's a bunch of good receivers. I don't think there's 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.720 any great ones. And the simple fact is that you 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.440 have a chance to get the best one in the 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.520 class at number nineteen in Calvin Ridley, who is considered 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.240 the best one. You're right in the sense that there's 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:51.920 not a lot of talent at the top. But I 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.240 think after that, yeah, after that, there is a lot 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.520 of There's as many as twelve guys who could come 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.640 right in and do something for you right away, which 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.400 to me, really it's a lot that's I'm not and 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.000 I'm not gonna be surprised if they wait until the 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.360 third round to draft a wide receiver. If the board 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.319 falls that way, and you think they could help this year, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.080 I guess is the again, that's that's the question. Help. Yes, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.120 not step in and be Dez Bryant from day one, 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.520 But I think they've you know, I think they've taken 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.760 steps too. They don't need that. Remember this was the 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.920 third receiver on that team. That's I mean, it's easy 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.760 to forget. Dez Bryant did not have this crazy impact 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.960 in his rookie years and Roy Williams were the starters, 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.040 and I remember I think it was this is me 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.160 for are you talking about his rookie year. Yeah, I'm sorry, 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.080 I thought you're talking about last year. This is me, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.079 This is me from the outside. I didn't cover the 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.400 Cowboys at the time, but I remember as a younger 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:48.240 Saints fan in twenty twelve he abused Patrick Robinson and 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.960 had like almost a two hundred yard day. But if 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.960 I remember correctly, the first half of his twenty twelve 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.480 season was pretty bad and he caught fire towards you know, 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.440 in the second half, like and then he was just 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.400 he got it, I guess, and he was just reeling 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.680 off one hundred yard game after a hundred yard game. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.000 Point being, it took Dez Bryant longer to get acclimated 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.160 to the NFL than people. Remember, that's kind of my point. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.840 They're working on it. Well, yeah, no, I mean that's 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.920 that's but I mean he didn't have a thousand yards 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.480 right out of the gate, is what I'm trying to say. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.080 So I think there's guys that can contribute right away. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.320 I don't think Calvin Ridley maybe, but I don't think 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:26.920 there's a lot of guys who could step right in 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.120 and have a really impactful season right away. But I 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.000 don't think that's what this team needs. So doesn't bother me. 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.560 Let's talk about the linebacker position. Yesterday, Stevens said that 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.679 his expectations are that Jalen's going to make a t 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.720 a huge step this year, and he even mentioned that 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.680 they're really looking for depth in this draft. It made 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.400 me think, or it sounded to me like he was 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.840 suggesting that Jalen Smith would be the starter this year 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.480 along with Sean Lee. Are you guys comfortable with the 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.040 idea that we haven't seen it yet because he still 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.920 has been He played a lot last year. I think 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.240 towards the end of the year, I think he was 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.160 much better than earlier in the season. But are you 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.040 comfortable with the idea of the Cowboys going into this 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.160 season thinking of Jalon Smith as their number two linebacker. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.320 I'm comfortable with that, but I don't know if that 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:20.359 necessarily means not do anything by in the draft. I mean, yeah, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.840 I think you expect that, But you also have to 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.440 expect Sean Lee to be hurt. I mean that's what 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.160 you have to you know, or at least expect him 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.920 to not be their full sixteen games, and then after that. 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.000 I mean, just like receiver, you've got to think about 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.800 what the position looks like next year. So I really 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.200 see them drafting a linebacker pretty high in this. I 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.600 know they got Joe Thomas for depth purposes. They still 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.559 have Damien Wilson, but I mean, you know, they haven't 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.120 really replaced I mean, Hitchens had a role last year 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.160 and they haven't replaced that yet. So I think that this, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.480 you know, it's a position of need, and the most 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.960 important role I think that Hitchens had was in the 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.600 event Sean Lee goes down, he steps in. That's the 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.400 part missing, right, Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, I mean you 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.560 need three to play too, that's I mean, Shaan Lee 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.480 has in the lengthy injury history he's gonna turn thirty 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.320 two while we're a training camp Jalen, I'm rooting like 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.120 hell for the kid. Yeah, we haven't a party, we 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:19.640 can see. I'm sure he's the one throwing it. Um, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.199 it's gonna be wild. Watching tape on his iPad counts 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.319 as a party. Sure. I like that kind of pouted. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.120 I mean, you need, you need a guy. And what 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.560 j Jalen was at his best last year when he 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.760 was playing like fifty percent of the snaps are less 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.839 like when they threw him into the deep end, he 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.640 wasn't quite ready for it. And I hope, like hell, 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.439 he takes that step forward that Stephen suggested he would. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:44.400 That's great. Can't count on that. Hoping is a bad strategy. Um, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.760 they need a guy. They need a guy who can 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.560 preferably play middle and weak side at a high level 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.200 like they got it. They need him. That's why I 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.640 keep I don't I would prefer not to draft a 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:58.360 linebacker at nineteen, but I just can't talk myself out 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.640 of out of it. I just think they need it 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.440 too much. The two positions they need to me, the 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.599 most receiver in linebacker that you talked about are exactly 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:12.040 the same in that that there's nobody there, no, no, no no, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.520 I take that back. It's not it's safety and linebacker. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.760 That's exactly the same. There's just two really good studs 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.680 that aren't gonna make it to nineteen. Then after that, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.240 it's just an incredible drop off safety and linebacker. And 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.880 that's one of them where you would like to get 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.360 one of those up there, but it's not gonna work 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.280 for you, and then you have to somewhat reach it linebacker. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.560 Maybe Evans's I don't think. I don't think the drop 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.400 off it's safe linebackers is steep because I think Rashaun 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.840 Evans and Layton Vanderesh, that's you get into this happens 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.960 every year, like you get into this think tank where 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.040 like you know, Layton Vanderesh and Rashaan Evans aren't as 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.320 good as Roquan Smith, and that means they're bad players 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.480 and that's just not true. Um, maybe it's a little 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.400 bit of a reach, but I still like nobody's gonna 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:55.840 bat an eye if either one of those guys is 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.120 drafted in the first round. So I don't think it's 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.280 a crazy reach in that regard, but they are not 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.520 as good as Roquan Smith. I just want you to 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:07.080 do more than one year in college. It's fair, Vanderesh, 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.440 just especially at Boise. I mean, you can't do a 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.480 lot more of your freshman and sophomore year. And I 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.320 mean Lake Bloomer, I guess, and he's big, big guy 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.400 six four, right. I mean, I mean, I'm there. You 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.960 can talk all day about their ups and downs and 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.840 their warts and their bright spots, like I get it, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:26.800 But let me ask you this question. I heard this 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:28.640 the other day. I was listening to a program and 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.000 I heard someone who was a draft expertus as there 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.280 are plenty that seems to be out there now, and 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.200 his critique of Anderesh was that he's a guy that 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.000 needs to play more physical. Have you seen that? Is 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.480 that's something that you hear because hearing that from a 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.520 linebacker reminds me of what was said about Bobby Carpenter 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.480 coming out was he wasn't he wasn't the most physical guy. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.720 And and I'm like, if you're playing linebacker and you're 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.040 not physical, that's it's kind of part of the giant 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.440 name is bart But but again, I don't watch Vanderesh, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.240 so I wanted to hear from you I think study 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:02.440 that goes back into the group think trap where you're like, like, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.480 you know, Brian Broadus goes on the Draft Show and says, 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.200 I want him to be more consistently physical. I want 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.400 him to fight through the trash and get off the blocks. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.760 The game where he looked the best was Oregon, where 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.840 nobody could get a second level block on him. But 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.400 when they do, he doesn't fight off of it that well. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.000 People hear that and they say, well, he's not physical. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.520 He's like he can't tackle, blah blah blah blah blah, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.880 and it's a valid criticism, but it snowballs into like 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:27.760 all of a sudden, a guy who's six four, two 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.640 fifty isn't physical. I don't think I believe that. But again, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.760 to Nick's point, he's a one year starter. He's got 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:39.600 a lot of developing to do in consistency to get whereas. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.920 And then you turn it around on Rashaun Evans, the 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.840 guy from Alabama, which is I don't feel great about 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.800 him in coverage. I don't know how, you know, I 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.080 don't know that I trust his instincts one hundred percent. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.120 But like when he gets to the ball carrier, no, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.440 there's no question about his physicality, like he brings the pain. 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:00.840 So again, I think valid critiques that Snowball too lazy 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.920 talking points. Okay, do you think that the Cowboys need 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.880 to use one of their top three picks. I'm gonna 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.160 start with you, Amber, one of their top three picks 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.440 on a linebacker this year. And then I want you 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.159 all kind of day if you have some names of 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.520 some guys that you think that might fall into that category. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.639 We mentioned vander Esh, but any other names that we 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.280 think fall into that category, I'd love to hear them, Amber, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.240 I mean, you have to. I don't know how you 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.120 go about it without doing so. When when you guys 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:29.760 were talking about Jalen Smith watching him, I'm rooting for him. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.000 I believe in him. He's a great player, a great guy. 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.040 But at the same time, there were a lot of 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.760 occasions where I would watch him play and it looked 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.000 like he would rush things like his instinct He has 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.080 the instincts, but they're not at the right place yet. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.840 He has a lot of learning to you and I 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.280 watch him and compare him to Sean Lee, very similar 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.440 player in the way they play, but he's still way 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.040 far away from being that guy. Now, can you hear me? Yeah, 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.800 it just up now, Sean Lee. You guys talked about 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.240 him great player, and you can't really rely on him 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.800 and playing him. I don't really like hearing what Stephen 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.919 Jones said about having Jalen Smith and kind of fully 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.800 trusting him. You still need to bring the guy and 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.040 rotate him. And like Dave said, fifty percent of the 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:20.639 times that he was on there, that's when he was 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.480 at his best. I don't think he's quite there yet. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.359 And the most popular guy is the one you guys 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.359 were just talking about, vandersh He's the one that people 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.560 keep talking about and expect him to come in for 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.359 the Cowboys. He's the most popular name. And again I 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.840 have my different opinions. I would like to trade go up, 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.560 try to get there when James. I don't think that's 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:49.040 gonna happen that. I think we're all in that it's unlikely, 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.480 but you're not. But there's a there's a scenario that 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.800 actually makes sense that they may be in position to 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.720 trade up. But you know what bothers me is like, 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.320 I mean some of the things I don't really hear 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.080 much about that, about the need of safety, I'm not 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.560 I mean, I know I'm worried about it, but I 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.960 don't hear it around. You know what everyone's talking about. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:14.240 People talk about linebacker, wide receiver, what about safety? Like, hello, guys, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.160 I mean this is a big need. I don't understand 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.760 why people are not talking about that. Oh, maybe there's more. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.240 I think they're talking about it. I know I'm talking 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.280 about it. I've been talking about it for months. I 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:30.600