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Speaker 1: Wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, April twenty fifth, twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Season fourteen, episode number six. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At

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Speaker 1: the starts Draft week. We're all excited. Cowboys and the

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Speaker 1: rest of the NFL will begin the draft tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of coverage for you guys. There'll

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Speaker 1: throughout the draft from start to finish. Same thing Friday,

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Speaker 1: Amber will be putting stuff together in Span for all

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Speaker 1: of you Spanish speaking fans out there. So this will

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Speaker 1: be a fun week. How's everybody doing. Dave Hellman is

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Speaker 1: included in pretty much all of that. Yes, he is

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Speaker 1: came in there. We're talking Spanish to each other, so

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Speaker 1: maybe so when you learn Spanish. I don't know Spanish.

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Speaker 1: I know a little bit of French and it helps

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Speaker 1: me with Spanish. Tell me something in French? What was

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Speaker 1: you say that? Like? Tell me something that's in French? Yeah? Say, uh, Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm betting that's not right. Like I'm

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Speaker 1: So let's talk some Cowboys football. What I wanted to

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Speaker 1: do today is I want to dissect the conversations yesterday

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Speaker 1: probably believe about three percent of what you hear during

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Speaker 1: because what they say you always have to put through

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Speaker 1: the lens of They could be saying this for the

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Speaker 1: purposes of other teams also hearing that and and that

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Speaker 1: affecting how they approached the draft. So with that being said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about some of the things I think

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Speaker 1: that came out yesterday and I want to get your opinions.

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Speaker 1: get we'll hear for what you guys have to say,

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Speaker 1: and then relate it back to the draft and how

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Speaker 1: it could affect the Cowboys draft strategy tomorrow, Friday and Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Let's start first with the Deys and the wide receiver position.

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Speaker 1: Steve Jerry said, we don't have a or they're okay

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Speaker 1: with the idea that they don't have a pure X

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Speaker 1: that matters. I don't know about can they or can

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Speaker 1: I mean Jeffrey makes a lot of money, but is

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Speaker 1: I think the world of Dak Prescott. But I think

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Speaker 1: Do you think this year? Based on where they are

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a bad year for receivers. I think, Oh, well,

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Speaker 1: you're being sarcastic. No, I don't think. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's a dynamic receiver. If there was, he'd

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Speaker 1: of There's as many as twelve guys who could come

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Speaker 1: the s WBC morters studios at the Star. We're talking draft.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about pre draft press conference today that Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, and Jason Garrett held yesterday. Nick, you were

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Speaker 1: about to talk to us a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: safety position. There was some thought you had there that

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's been expressed. Yeah, let's let's get

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Speaker 1: to it. This is like ranked second into the I

466
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Speaker 1: want a speed receiver. I've think have been beat right. Um,

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Speaker 1: I do think that they need to make a trade

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Speaker 1: and they need to try to get a veteran safety

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Speaker 1: in here. And I mean, we all know who he is.

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Speaker 1: He's sitting out there in Seattle, and if they can,

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Speaker 1: if they pull that off, you know, it would count

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Speaker 1: about eight and a half million on the cap. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty close to what probably got to resign him though,

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Speaker 1: I mean to resign. I think that's part of his

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Speaker 1: problem in Seattle is that but to make it work

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Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, it works because of what you just

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Speaker 1: did with Dez Bryant. So yet technically it works, but

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Speaker 1: you're not going to make that trade if you don't

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Speaker 1: feel like you could sign him long term. Then again,

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Speaker 1: he's not sprinting after a four quarter game to your

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Speaker 1: head coach to say come get me and not looking

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Speaker 1: to play a little bit long term. I think so, um,

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Speaker 1: I think it's got to be. It's got to be

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Speaker 1: in the plans though tomorrow. I mean, because if you

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Speaker 1: want to know what you gotta do there is let's

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Speaker 1: say you don't have a second round pick that might

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Speaker 1: affected you want to trade it back a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That would be my dream scenario right there. Make the trade,

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Speaker 1: lose your second round pick, move back in the first

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Speaker 1: round if you possibly could, I know what's easier said

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Speaker 1: than done from nineteen late or mid twenties, late twenties,

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Speaker 1: and then take the receiver that you really want. You

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Speaker 1: really want DJ Moore or Courtlandt Sutton and I think

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Speaker 1: they sit better at twenty six, twenty seven, twenty something.

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Speaker 1: That would be ideal. I mean, if we're just talking

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Speaker 1: dream scenarios, yeah, draft dreams, that would be that would

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Speaker 1: be pretty great. It just seems to me like they could,

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Speaker 1: This could happen, and I'm actually expecting if it does happen,

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Speaker 1: it would happen Friday, because I think those kind of

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Speaker 1: things typically happen when when you're kind of faced with it,

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Speaker 1: and I think in the break day if you made

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Speaker 1: the point, and I'll let you make the point for yourself,

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Speaker 1: but just kind of think of when it would be

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Speaker 1: advantageous because Seattle would have all the information that they'd

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Speaker 1: want to know. Maybe that is Friday. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think I read a stat that the Seahawks haven't picked

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Speaker 1: in their original slot in the first round since twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, they're movers and shakers. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: they would agree to do that tomorrow until because again,

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Speaker 1: the thing that the thing that even makes me think

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Speaker 1: this is possible is that Seattle doesn't have a second

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Speaker 1: or a third round pick, and we know how much

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Speaker 1: they value drafting. We know they need to make their

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Speaker 1: roster younger, and they've gotten they lost a lot of players. Yeah, ton,

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Speaker 1: but if they can trade back from eighteen tomorrow night

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Speaker 1: and get a second or you know, get the picks

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Speaker 1: they want that way, then all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 1: leverage is gone, and so I don't know why they

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Speaker 1: would agree to that tomorrow. I think it would have

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Speaker 1: to be a Friday thing. You know. There was a

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Speaker 1: moment this week, and hey, I mean he never had

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Speaker 1: he never said the name, not no tampering, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But Stephen Jones answered a question in the press conference

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Speaker 1: yesterday about trading for a veteran who wants a contract extension,

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Speaker 1: and how you make that stuff work was his response.

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Speaker 1: He I mean, he's like, you know, you gotta that's

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Speaker 1: the gamble. You gotta the gamble you gotta make. You gotta,

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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta work with their people. You gotta

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Speaker 1: try to get something done. You gotta, you know, either

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Speaker 1: do that or or try to play hardball and hope

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Speaker 1: that they'll play under their current terms of their deal

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Speaker 1: while you figure something out. It's happening, but see it

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Speaker 1: better happened. I don't care when it happens. It better

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Speaker 1: happened killing me. Listen, the Cowboys, there's no way they're

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Speaker 1: feeling okay with what they have right nowt of that.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I definitely agree, but also

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Speaker 1: not well, okay, I can't think it could be going

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Speaker 1: into this draft dope thinking we don't feel comfortable, we

539
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Speaker 1: got to do something in the draft. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that it necessarily means I will I mean you could.

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Speaker 1: It has to be two parties that want to do

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Speaker 1: the deal like this is we always get, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fan emails that comes in and says, hey, go

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Speaker 1: out and trade Terrence Williams for Earl Thomas, Like it

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Speaker 1: has to be both sides here, here's here's here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: And the difference is Nick loves to point this out.

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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas put this in the store in the news

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Speaker 1: cycle himself. Yes, he ran across the field and flagged

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Speaker 1: down Jason Garrett and say don't get me room. I

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Speaker 1: mean ultimately, you know that doesn't like he was in

551
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Speaker 1: there taking off his shoulder pads, like what's up, homie?

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Speaker 1: I mean like you know that doesn't matter right at uht.

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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas doesn't sound anything like that. He's got this

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Speaker 1: like deep East Texas voice, like like it's it's very

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Speaker 1: startlingly deep. Um point being a million a million trades

556
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Speaker 1: get talked about in the NFL like all the time,

557
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Speaker 1: like I have heard after the fact about conversations that

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Speaker 1: were had in this bill for trades where it fell apart.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, it never got off the ground floor,

560
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, because so much goes into that.

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Speaker 1: And this is obviously something that has been talked about.

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Speaker 1: It's been kicked around here, It's been kicked around in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: But I would argue ninety eight percent of player trades

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Speaker 1: fall apart. I would I guarantee that that happens. And

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Speaker 1: so I look at it. I'm sorry, Nick, you're good.

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Speaker 1: I look at it, and I think I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they feel one hundred percent comfortable, But

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Speaker 1: I think the flip side of that is like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we do all this, we take on all this money

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Speaker 1: for the thirty year old guy, or we hope, like

571
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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, we hope that Xavier Woods can take that

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Speaker 1: step and be our free safety. And five different times

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Speaker 1: in the last month when Stephen Jones has been asked

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Speaker 1: about this, he has said the name Xavier Woods. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was really funny. Actually, Cavon Frasier quote tweeted

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Speaker 1: a tweet from Stephen Jones about this last night that

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Speaker 1: mentioned Xavier Woods and not him, and he was like

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Speaker 1: shaking my head, like, what the hell, man, I'm a

579
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Speaker 1: bust doesn't even know exactly, no, exactly. So I think

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Speaker 1: the flip the flip side of that is they say,

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Speaker 1: all right, we can spend all these resources on this

582
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Speaker 1: all pro guy, or we hope that our young guy

583
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Speaker 1: that we thought the world of last year can take

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Speaker 1: the next step and we draft somebody behind him. And

585
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Speaker 1: they brought in two or three safeties who fit that

586
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Speaker 1: day two, day three mold. And that's how you do

587
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Speaker 1: it on the young and cheap. And I know that

588
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Speaker 1: doesn't excite people, and I'm not saying it's gonna work,

589
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Speaker 1: but I won't be surprised if that is what they do,

590
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Speaker 1: because that's way easier to do. And that's wow wow,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is I mean, I honestly, I honestly

592
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Speaker 1: believe that they need more help. But I agree with

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Speaker 1: Dave that the mo has been that when they get

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Speaker 1: on a particular position, they're willing to go young and say,

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Speaker 1: we're going to ride it through with these young guys

596
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Speaker 1: and see if we can draft a guy that we

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Speaker 1: think and Stephen talked about it yesterday. There's the thing

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Speaker 1: about the young guys is if you draft them early

599
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Speaker 1: and you get them playing early, you have a better chance.

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Speaker 1: If they can play, you have a better chance of

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Speaker 1: signing them to longer term deals then playing in that

602
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Speaker 1: free agency. He Marty didn't do that. They didn't. They

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Speaker 1: drafted early, and they're moving that. The ones that they

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Speaker 1: didn't draft early, Cavon Fraser and Xavier Woods, they're hoping

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Speaker 1: they can do something with. But I mean, no, and

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Speaker 1: I wasn't early in the draft. I mean just drafting

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Speaker 1: them as they're you're drafting them, bringing them in and

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Speaker 1: letting them play early, not necessarily drafting them, right. I

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Speaker 1: think that the reason why I think this is going

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Speaker 1: to happen. I agree, there's a lot of trades that

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Speaker 1: ever get talked about, but this, there's got so many

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Speaker 1: elements to this. Number one, there is a need. There's

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Speaker 1: a need at safety. There's so much of a need

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Speaker 1: that they moved Byron Jones already. I mean that they're

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Speaker 1: moving him to get a better position. So now they've

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Speaker 1: created even a bigger need. When you get a new

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Speaker 1: coach in here that you like and you want to

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Speaker 1: build some things around him and give him some an idea,

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Speaker 1: I mean, because I think Chris Rahshard is a guy

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Speaker 1: they really like, maybe leaving long term as a coordinator.

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Speaker 1: You want to give him some some you know, things

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Speaker 1: to work with. From what I hear, he's pretty much

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Speaker 1: on the table for this, so that he's you got

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Speaker 1: a guy that's lobbying for him that you want this

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Speaker 1: system to work. You hired me. Here's a guy that

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Speaker 1: we know and can make you know into a really

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Speaker 1: good player. Then also Seattle needing those picks, I just

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Speaker 1: you know they're sitting there. It works for them. The

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Speaker 1: fact that he ran over the field and say that

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Speaker 1: he wants to be here. There's just a lot of

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Speaker 1: factors here that make this thing work. And the money

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Speaker 1: now works. So there's just a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: just keeps pointing to this. The smoke. There's fire. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of smoke. Let's be some fire. There's and

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Speaker 1: I won't be surprised. But like I said, there's twenty

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Speaker 1: components are more to a player of trade that have

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Speaker 1: to go right. All twenty of them have to go right.

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Speaker 1: Only one has to go wrong for it to not happen.

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Speaker 1: And so like san Diego saying, I'll give you the

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Speaker 1: forty sixth pick in the draft and you're like Seattle

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Speaker 1: or you know, New England's like, we need we need

642
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Speaker 1: our we need our we need our night soldier, we

643
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: need our right tackle of the future. We're coming up

644
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Speaker 1: to eighteen. We'll give you our two or whatever. Actually,

645
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Speaker 1: I don't think New England, No, New England has an

646
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Speaker 1: extra two. I don't think that changes as much as

647
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Speaker 1: you might think. Like if Seattle trades back and gets

648
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Speaker 1: another pick or two, I still I don't think that

649
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: affects that much. Yeah, they're getting more picks. That takes

650
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: off one of those aspects, but they still don't want

651
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: him in that price tag and they think they're gonna

652
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: they could get something for him maybe, But I mean

653
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: it's I mean, take two picks, take on one one

654
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: year at eight point five, and then you get a

655
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: compic when he leaves in free agents? Would you trade

656
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Speaker 1: I'd trade a two and probably as much as maybe

657
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: a five. What would you do? Maybe that much? Either

658
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: my two or my three do more than one pick? No,

659
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: if if they were like two and a four or

660
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: two and oh five, if that, I mean, if it's

661
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: gonna get it done, I'd probably do it. But I'll

662
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Speaker 1: just say this, like I'm sorry ahead him, No, I

663
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: would about to change the object. Sorry you got us

664
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Speaker 1: it was, I mean, but what but from what you're saying, Nick,

665
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I actually would be kind of shocked if

666
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: this happens. And I think it just comes back to

667
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: this has not been what the what the Cowboys have

668
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: done the last several years, Like they don't go out

669
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: and free agency and or and and I guess even

670
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: from a trade standpoint, they don't go out and get

671
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: high priced guys. And I just so, so that doesn't

672
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: mean it doesn't happen. It just means I would be

673
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of shocked if he did it. Is this a

674
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: Jerry type move? Though Jerry does that these kind of things.

675
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: Stephen really doesn't. But also, what could the seat be

676
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: any hotter for Jason Garrett? I mean, it is what

677
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: it is. It could be going into a season though.

678
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: If they go is this the hottest seat he's been

679
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: on since he's been here? If they go ten and six,

680
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: when the East lose the first round, is he the

681
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: coach next year? I don't know. I don't know. They

682
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: didn't win a playoff game, I don't know. I don't

683
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: even see that. That tells me that is an extremely

684
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: hot seat. If you're if you could go to the

685
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: playoffs and not win a playoff game and you're gonna

686
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: get fired, that's a hot seat. So my point is

687
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: is that getting a guy that can help me right now,

688
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: it's the best second round pick you're ever gonna dress

689
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: bow Bob worries me a little bit. There was a quote,

690
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: I believe it was Jerry who said it. He kind

691
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: of talked about when you get rookies in here and

692
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: how they can be a quick impact and do you

693
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: remember that listening to it? Something like that that you

694
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: can trust some of these guys because they've seen it.

695
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Some rookie guys come in and an impact and make

696
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: an impact in the game. Now, that worries me when

697
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: I hear something like that, because that's not always the case.

698
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: You're taking a risk. And when you talk about the

699
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: group of safeties, the guys that you have right now. Yeah,

700
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: so I'm veteran guys, but you don't have anyone that

701
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: scares teams. You don't have anyone that is like, oh

702
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: my god, we're playing against this guy. So you put

703
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: in a rookie and you're expecting him to make be

704
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: a game changer and make a difference that's not very realistic.

705
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: So they need a veteran guy that comes in the

706
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: game and other teams are worrying about him. A rookie

707
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: is not gonna do that, probably not, unless, of course,

708
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: you get somebody like Derwin James. Now, if you can

709
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: move up and get a Derwin James and maybe you

710
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: do create that kind of then we're talking about something there. Honestly,

711
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: I would rather take Girl Thomas, really yeah, because I

712
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: because I still get another player, And I bet Jason

713
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: Garrett would rather do that because he gets two players

714
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: as opposed to one. You lose your second round pick

715
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: by going up six spots or whatever to don't you

716
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: lose a team. You're a second round pick. If you're

717
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: gonna try to get Earl Thomas. He's saying, yeah, but

718
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: you get a nineteenth overall pick as well. Yeah, you

719
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: have to trade the second the first to move up

720
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: to get James, who you think is going to be

721
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: good as opposed to But you're not really giving up

722
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: the first because you're going up, you're getting a first

723
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: right right, two players versus one. I get Earl Thomas.

724
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: Trade for Derwin gets you one players with your nineteen

725
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: one player with your nineteenth and fiftieth. Oh, you're saying

726
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: because you're counting Earl Thomas as a guess well, I mean,

727
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: is he gonna coach or is he gonna play? I

728
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I'm not certain about that,

729
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: but I guess that, and I ask you that question

730
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: earlier this week. I do think there is an argument

731
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: that can be made. Do you want the guy that's

732
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: approaching thirty or do you want a guy that you

733
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: think could be just as good at the beginning of

734
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: his career. Where the money is is is like there's

735
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about a young guy approaching thirty

736
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: with both of his last two seasons significantly affected by injury, Right,

737
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: so there a lot of money. And if you really

738
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: think Darwin James is a legit player, like you think

739
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really great, I know it's still a risk,

740
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know that I fall. And I'm an

741
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: old Thomas Thomas fan. I don't know if I fall

742
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: in the category is saying, if I have my choice

743
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: between the two, if they cost me the same amount,

744
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: like if I got to give it my second for both,

745
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: I kind of think I want the young guy. Yeah,

746
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, how much voice does

747
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett having this? I mean he has the head coach.

748
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: I think he has. I think he has a voice.

749
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I think when it

750
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: comes down to it, that's one areas where I actually

751
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: do believe Jerry when he says that they make group decisions.

752
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: I really believe Jason has a voice. I think Will

753
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: has a voice, even has a voice, and I think

754
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: Jerry has a voice. And I think at the end

755
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: of the day, Jerry's the one has to make the

756
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: final decision. But I don't think Jerry makes decisions on

757
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: an island. I think he makes decisions based upon the consensus.

758
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: The cool thing about the draft is you can see

759
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: that play out in the war room. Like it's not like,

760
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean they're all together. You can see them all

761
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: having conversation. Yeah, yeah, I hate that we're talking about

762
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: here what Yeah he didn't say heck, but yeah, yeah,

763
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: that was funny. I mean, I'll I'm I'll be the

764
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: buzzkill I always am. But I don't think either one

765
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: of those two guys is on this team. On Saturday Afternoon,

766
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: Earl am Earl or Irwin. I think it's because you're

767
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: you're bessimistic, and I tend to be a linebacker or

768
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: receiver and the best valued guy they get somewhere else,

769
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: or maybe they trade for one and that's just the two.

770
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Yeah, sorry, let's move on. I do one,

771
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: they don't draft. I mean, if if they don't trade

772
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: for Earl Thomas, I do think they'll be sitting there

773
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: with the third fourth round picks and they'll be they'll

774
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: be looking to do that with somebody. I think that

775
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: they do make a trade this year for a veteran player.

776
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: It may not be Earl Thomas. It'll be somebody. It

777
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: might be a linebacker that you don't get, you know,

778
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: it'll be I just think that that's a route that

779
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: we're going. Yeah. I think it's a route where we'll

780
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: see them take this year. And I think they can

781
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: probably think the Eagles for that. You got the picks

782
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: to do it. You have the picks to do it, right.

783
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our final break, and when we

784
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Speaker 1: come back. I want to talk about the offensive line.

785
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Speaker 1: There was some conversation yesterday on the offensive line and

786
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787
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Speaker 1: Nick take it away, Well, I have a question for

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Speaker 1: Dave or really anybody when you're heading into a draft weekend,

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Speaker 1: what's the one thing you really want? A lot of underwear?

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Speaker 1: Picks want a lot of You do want a lot

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Speaker 1: of underwear, I would think at least one for every

834
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Speaker 1: person in the room. But also you want a lot

835
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Speaker 1: of picks, picks, draft picks, picks. Now, what you don't

836
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Speaker 1: want when you're dealing with underwear is a lot of picks.

837
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Speaker 1: That's one. I was good. I wish i'd played along

838
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Speaker 1: with that better, right, That's okay. I didn't get where

839
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Speaker 1: you're going. That's okay though. So the reason you can

840
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Speaker 1: where here's one way you can avoid that, Tommy John.

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Speaker 1: I mean as simple as that. Tommy John. You don't

842
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Speaker 1: have no picks. You don't haven't picking anything back side

843
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Speaker 1: whatever that may be the only time you didn't in football.

844
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Speaker 1: You don't want picks, well your quarterbacks there so anyways,

845
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Speaker 1: Tommy John will prevent picks. Um Tommy John dot com

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Speaker 1: some Dallas Cowboy logo on there. I still think that's

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Speaker 1: cool personalized, Like, can I get my name on? You?

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Speaker 1: Probably could, really definitely could because you're so boogie. Yeah

852
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: do that boogie? Yeah, that's not how to word that's

853
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: ever been used with men that I've been to dinner

854
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: with you. Are you serious? I didn't have anything to

855
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: do with boogie. No, I've never had that. Now you

856
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: could say my wife is boogie, but I'm not bougie.

857
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: You're bad and boogie kind of You're not bogie. You

858
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: are nobody likes to be called booge. Seriously, I'm there's

859
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: nothing about me that's boogie. I'm most down to earth

860
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: person you'll ever meet. You are down to earth, but

861
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: your taste is bougie, Like that's just a fems to

862
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: order and at a restaurant. Yeah, I want myself the

863
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: way I want it. I know, I know, and it's

864
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: just gonna take forever. I mean, you know you want

865
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: to go after Jay like you go first, because I

866
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: got another fourteen minutes before she's gonna ask. I just

867
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: like it the way I like my boss is bad

868
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: and boogie. There is there a way that you can

869
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: put this on the side. Yeah, okay, cool anyways, Timmy

870
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: John Yeah, no, Reggies, you digress all right. Let me

871
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: let me throw out one other thing For those of

872
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: you out there who are draft nuts and like to

873
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: be able to follow the draft and be able to

874
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: know what's being discussed and the players that are out there,

875
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: you gotta get this magazine. Star Magazine. Um. It is

876
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: the the official magazine the Dallas Cowboys, and there is

877
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: a this edition they put together every year. The whole

878
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: crew is a part of writing it. Brian Broadus has

879
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in here. If we broke down,

880
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how many players it were in broken down,

881
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: maybe about three hundred players broken down, but this lists

882
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: about five hundred. Yeah. It's It's an amazing, amazing program

883
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: that you can use for the draft. I use it

884
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: every year as I'm watching the draft to be able

885
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: to jump to you know, player gets draft I don't know.

886
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: I jump in here, I find that guy. I can

887
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: get a pretty clear understanding of what Brian and you

888
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: guys thought of the player and and uh and so

889
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: I think it's a really really great thing. If you

890
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: want to check it out, check out Dallas Cowboys dot

891
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: com Forward Slash Star again at Dallas Cowboys dot com

892
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: Forward Slash Star and you can you can get your

893
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: own copy and be ready for I'm not just saying

894
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: this because we you know, I kind of helped contribute

895
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, but this is the first year that

896
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: I haven't purchased another magazine. I always will do that.

897
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: I'll be at the store, I'll see some some other

898
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: magazine and take one, But this first year I haven't

899
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: even considered doing that because this is this one to

900
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: me is it's just as good, if not better than

901
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: than the others. Plus, you know, you have some stuff

902
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: that Dane Brugler does, and we we've looked at his

903
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: draft guide, but I think between the two, I mean,

904
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: we know, I just don't know if people are can

905
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: watch as much tape as What's Brian starts back in December, yeah,

906
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: and it keeps going. And the other thing about this

907
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: there is an online version. So if you're thinking I

908
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: can't get my copy before a draft starts, go to

909
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com Forward slash Star. You can see

910
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: that there is an electronic version that you can then

911
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: pull up on your device and be able to flip

912
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: through and be able to get all the same information,

913
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: just without the actual hard coop. I wish they were

914
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: selling them at the stadium when you go out there.

915
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: I wish they were Oh mat, they are, okay, oh hey,

916
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: what enjoy the experience at the stadium, folks. It was

917
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: that serious, just saying, just check out the experience at

918
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: the stadium. You never know what you'll happen across. All right, Um,

919
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: let's get into u's getting back into this conversation around uh,

920
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Um, yesterday in the press conference, UM,

921
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: I think it was I want to say it was

922
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: Stephen that was talking about the offensive line. He said,

923
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: they have tremendous, tremendous flexibility to look at both guards

924
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: and tackles. You say, that was a pretty good question

925
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: something you Yeah, it was a question that came from

926
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: our own David Hellman's true, really good question. I thought

927
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: Stephen had a look on his face where was a

928
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: little bit I don't know if it was that he

929
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 1: didn't like you or a little perplexed by the question,

930
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: but he answered it. So that's all I feel like

931
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: Stephen and Jerry or the like, you're like, who's this guy?

932
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: Why he know they know who you are? And they're like,

933
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: he you know who you are? No, No, I mean

934
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: it in the sense of like this guy works for us. No.

935
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that they just like that's our guy.

936
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: That's our guy with that question, but like not like

937
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: your tone was admirable, admiring, you know that their tone

938
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: is like like that's our guy, that's our guy. That

939
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: question whether the statement is yeah, that's our guy. Yeah, anyway,

940
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: good question, Dave. Um And the thing that stood out

941
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: to me about the about the answer was that it

942
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: sounds like they're comfortable with Fleming, who they got in

943
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: free agency, coming in and starting at either right tackle

944
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: or being their swing tackle, and they're also comfortable with

945
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: Lyo either being at right tackle or at left guard. Um. So,

946
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: by question for you guys is what do you think

947
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: is the best scenario you're entering the draft. Do you

948
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys should be going in thinking, hey, let's

949
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: get a guard so that we can keep Lyo where

950
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: he is and we can have Fleming be our swing

951
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: and you've then upgraded your offensive line from where you

952
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: were last year. Do you think they have to go

953
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: in thinking, hey, we need to get a tack we

954
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: can move Lyle inside because there are better tackles in

955
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: the draft where we're gonna be picking, and we'll still

956
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: have that person can even either battle with Fleming for

957
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: the starting job or be the swing tackle. What do

958
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: you think is the best case scenario for the Cowboys

959
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: on offit splay? I think what the best case scenario

960
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: is if they get their hands on a guard who

961
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: can compete for the starting job and leave Lyle Collins

962
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: where he is, and then Cameron Fleming becomes maybe the

963
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: best swing tackle in football right now. I mean, like,

964
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: you've got three really good tackles, two of whom can

965
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: start on either side. Hell Lyle might even be able

966
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: to start on either side. I don't know. But you've

967
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: got three great tackles, and then you've got a really

968
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: talented rookie who could push Marcus Martin for the starting

969
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: job or maybe even just start. And then I mean, man,

970
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: that sounds nice. Let me interrupt nasty this question. Is

971
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: that more about the fact that you want to keep

972
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins where he is because I know I've heard

973
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: you say before you really want to keep him out

974
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: at right tackle. Is this more about a decision of

975
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: keeping him where he is, or is just because you

976
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: think that overall that's the best scenario. I think it's

977
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: are all the best scenario because your lack of tackle

978
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: depth killed you last year. It absolutely I think it's

979
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: as big almost killed to quarterback. It's this bit. It

980
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: is so tied into everything because your line fell apart,

981
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: your quarterback got murdered. I think he lost his confidence

982
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: during that stretch of time where Tyrant Smith couldn't play.

983
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: I think more so than any I think that's why

984
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: he looked worse than normal in November and December of

985
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: last year. I think I just I think the world

986
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: of the job that Lyle Collins did at right tackle

987
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: last year, and I think it would be a shame

988
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: to dismantle that tackle depth if you don't have to.

989
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: But having said that, that's what I said, I think

990
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: they should do. What I think will happen is I

991
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: think they're going to draft a tackle to either start

992
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: or be the swing tackle and move Lyle to guard

993
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: because I think the way this draft shakes out, that's

994
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: more plausible because unless you draft a guard at nineteen,

995
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: which they could do. They brought in one. I mean,

996
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: there's a couple guys there that makes sense. But unless

997
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: you do that, then I don't know where you find

998
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: a guard that's definitely gonna be good enough to do

999
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: what you want, Whereas you can find a few tackles

1000
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: who fit that criteria. And I just I think it's

1001
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: easier to find a good tackle in this draft and

1002
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: move lyle than it is to find a good guard.

1003
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: I would be focused on guard, and when you have

1004
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: a guy that has done a good job at a

1005
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: certain position, you would want to keep him there, especially

1006
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: if that guy comes out and says, that's where my

1007
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: focus is at, that's where my mentality is at his

1008
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: training right now to be a tackle, to stay at tackle.

1009
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: So you don't want to mess with the guys that

1010
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: is feeling confident and comfortable at a position that he

1011
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: has shown succeeds success. Yes, so yeah, I would. If

1012
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm the Cowboys, I would go in with my focus

1013
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: being guard. Now, worst case scenario, if you need to

1014
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: make a move, then you need to, and there's no

1015
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: way around it. Then yeah, you have that secure. Marie

1016
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: Blankett would well that you can move him. But if

1017
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: as of right now, I wouldn't be focused on that.

1018
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: So are you guys at all surprised hearing what Amber said?

1019
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: Are you guys at all surprised if they didn't make

1020
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: more of an effort to possibly resign Jonathan Cooper because

1021
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: if you thought now again, I think that I'm basing

1022
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: this on the fact that I think in this room

1023
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: we all thought Jonathan Cooper played well last season, not great,

1024
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: but played well. If you had Jonathan Cooper on this

1025
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: team right now now, you really have flexibility because right

1026
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: now you're looking at it, you feel like starting day,

1027
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: you've got your starting five, You've got a good swing tackle,

1028
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: you feel really good about where you are from the

1029
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: offensive offensive live standpoint, and if you happen to run

1030
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: across the guard in the draft that you really love,

1031
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: there's no reason why Jonathan Cooper couldn't be kind of you.

1032
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: You kind of kind of keep him. Maybe you don't

1033
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: keep him, but he did. It's he signed this big

1034
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: deal with San Francisco. Right I don't feel any differently.

1035
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: I've never watched Marcus Martin play. It's not my job

1036
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: to Brian does that, But based on what they gave

1037
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: him and where he comes from, I think he's just

1038
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: as good, if not better than Cooper. But the fact

1039
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: that it's not set, I mean, they love to create

1040
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: competition and they love the best five idea. Do you

1041
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: think Marcus Martin is a starter caliber guard? I think

1042
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: he could start on this line. Sure, yeah. I mean

1043
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: again I'm not watching his tape, but just based on

1044
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: how much they paid him to get here and his

1045
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: prior history, I mean, he could be the weak link

1046
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: on this line just as easily as Jonathan Cooper could be.

1047
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: But I think that's the difference is but the weak

1048
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: link means you're not in the Pro Bowl, right, No,

1049
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. But that's okay, right, But there

1050
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: ends in the whole line. I don't think they're in lies.

1051
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: Therein lies your argument though, Like, do you want to

1052
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: have a weak link at guard or move a potential

1053
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: would have been top ten pick over there and have

1054
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: an experienced veteran or a potential high draft pick battling

1055
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: out at right tackle. I mean, if you subscribe to

1056
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: that best five idea, then you could conceivably have badasses

1057
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: at every position other than just allowing for a weak

1058
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: link that left guard. They've they've done a nice job

1059
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: of kind of just protecting themselves at this position for

1060
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: nothing to happen or a lot of things to happen.

1061
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: If they get wiped out with the guys they want

1062
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: and they're sitting at nineteen, no trade back scenarios. You

1063
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: have to make a pick here, and the best guy

1064
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: available is Mike McGlinchey, then you draft him, and then

1065
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: you take him at right use, play them at right tackle,

1066
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: and Lyle's probably going to be playing guard for you.

1067
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: Or if the best one available is a guard, let's

1068
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: say it's a James James Daniels or maybe Will Hernandez.

1069
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: This thirty seven bench press for Will Hernandez pretty strong

1070
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: for me, because I mean that's what they need. They

1071
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: need a guy that can push the pile, and I

1072
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: think that he could come right in and help you

1073
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: that happens, and then obviously Lyle's playing right tackle, so

1074
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: and then Martin and Fleming are also just going to

1075
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: kind of factor in if nothing happens here. It's all

1076
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: it's a good scenario, I think for O line. It's

1077
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: all nebulous and literally I mean that. I asked that

1078
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: question because I wanted him to say that and basically

1079
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: confirm that what they do with their offensive line is

1080
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: going to depend on what they come out of this

1081
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 1: draft with that's and he said they have the flexibility

1082
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: pretty much whatever they want to do exactly so or

1083
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: do nothing, I guess, I mean from where you talking

1084
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: about Martin, they did nothing. They probably still feel okay

1085
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: about where they are. Well, I don't think they're gonna

1086
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: do but but it's just a man. I'm saying, do

1087
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: something that affect that that will have an impact this

1088
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: year if if what happens is you know, and there's

1089
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: there's some mid round guys. There's a kid from Washington

1090
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: State who's like a mid round guy that they brought

1091
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: in on a visit. If they draft him and let

1092
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: him and Marcus Martin fight it out for guard and

1093
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: leave Lyle where he is, I'm fine with that. And yeah,

1094
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: like you could have a better left guard, but on

1095
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: a line full of pro bowlers, you should be able

1096
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: to survive that in my opinion. But you can't survive

1097
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: is what you deal with last year at your swing tech,

1098
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: which is why it seems like they've solved that problem

1099
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: at least, well, well, what for the time being. The

1100
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: problem does become if you move lys All down the guard,

1101
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: now you've created that position, You created that situation where

1102
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: you now have to have somebody that could lay swing

1103
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: tackleft Tyrn goes down if you're or do you move

1104
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: a second guy from their position where they are now

1105
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: just to be the tackle you put on the left side.

1106
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: You could ask you could draft a tackle and make

1107
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: him play guard. They did it with Chazz. You could

1108
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: do it again. You could draft that. I that's I

1109
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: just want every just don't mess with a good thing.

1110
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: I agree with. I actually agree with that. Don't mess

1111
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: with it. I'm hopeful that they find the right answer

1112
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: at guards a Lyle stays attack moving guys your best

1113
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: option as a swing tackle. I love that they signed

1114
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: Fleming to be a swing tackle. They did. I mean,

1115
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: his contract says that he's not going to be making

1116
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: a lot of money unless he starts so many games,

1117
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: and then if that happens, then, which is fine, that's

1118
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: what it should be. Right. You moved Byron Jones because

1119
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: you're not sure what he can be better at Lyle

1120
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: Collins was pretty damn good at a more important position

1121
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: in my opinion. All right, let's uh real quickly. I

1122
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: did want to talk a little bit about the tight

1123
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: end position. U. Something that Stevens said was he thinks

1124
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: some guys are being overlooked at this position. He mentioned Jarwin,

1125
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: he mentioned Swam, later he mentioned Rico, and then we

1126
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: find out last week I think it was that James

1127
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: Hannah has decided to retire such one less guy as

1128
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: far as your depth is concerned to tight end. Are

1129
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: the concerns that you guys have right now about the

1130
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: tight end position. And I want to take it from

1131
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: two different standpoints. From the short term, which is this season,

1132
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: and also from the long term, knowing that Jason Witten's

1133
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: not getting any younger and there doesn't appear to be,

1134
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: at least from the standpoint of the amount of time

1135
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: that they've played, a clear replacement for him that's on

1136
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: the roster. Yeah, I think there it should be a

1137
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: position that they address in this draft, and maybe more

1138
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 1: of a pass catcher type, just because I think that

1139
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: they need that that position. They need to get somebody

1140
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: that can kind of get open a little bit. Swam

1141
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: and Jarwin and even Hannah and those guys. I mean

1142
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: that they didn't really. I mean, Witten is still somewhat

1143
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: getting open. He's making some good plays, He's not getting

1144
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: open as much as as he did. They needs a

1145
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: little bit more athleticism at that position, um, in my opinion,

1146
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: and a guy that's played a lot of football in

1147
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: his career as well. I don't care about tight end

1148
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: at all. I'm in the short term or the long

1149
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: term until eighty two decides that he's okay. Let me

1150
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: ask you this question, do you think and I know everybody,

1151
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: it seems like, at least from a standpoint the way

1152
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: the coach talks about it, Um, it seems as though

1153
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: there is this, uh, there's this thought that well, Witt

1154
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: and just won't come off the field. Do you think

1155
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: that this is a situation where I don't want it

1156
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: to give you won't but doesn't I mean either the

1157
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: way that its Ricky Waters for who for what? Well?

1158
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: But that's my question, that's my question. Should they be

1159
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: looking to try to get if they if they really

1160
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: like Jarwin, if they really like Rico. At some point,

1161
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: are they gonna have to say, Jason, You're gonna have

1162
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: to start splitting up some of those reps because we

1163
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: need to get these younger guys on the field to

1164
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: see if they can play right. Well, you think they

1165
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: should do that, Maybe somebody should be drafted. They can

1166
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: take him off there and maybe somebody's drafted. But but

1167
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: they've they've tried that before and that hasn't worked. They

1168
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: drafted a kid in the top fifty not that long ago,

1169
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: and they've done it three times since. Okay, but I'm

1170
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: i mean years. But okay, it's hard to compare Fasano

1171
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: and Martellis. I mean, Witton was in his prime back then,

1172
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: but Witton in the in the third in the final

1173
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: chapter of his career, if you I mean break it

1174
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: into five year stretches, toward the closer to the end

1175
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: than the beginning. They drafted a guy in the top

1176
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: fifty and he couldn't really do anything with that. Witten

1177
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: played ninety seven. He's the reason I love the Earl

1178
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: Thomas trade even more. Who give because it gives us

1179
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: something to watch a training camp or no? No, because

1180
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 1: well that I'm not even that would matter. I wasn't

1181
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: talking about that would be a lot of fun. I

1182
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: was talking about Escobar. Oh you're gonna give a second round.

1183
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, when I think about it being picked

1184
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: on Kevin Escobar, I'm like, yes, sounds pretty good. How

1185
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: many Sean Lee is really? I was about to say,

1186
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee is about the one I could think of,

1187
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: And well, I mean the guy you're paying seventeen million

1188
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: dollars to Marcus supposed good SECD round figure. It's there's

1189
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: every reason to believe that they can find a good

1190
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: second round player, but they've got plenty of history with

1191
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: bad ones too, And I for bet it's It's not

1192
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: my place to comment on whether Jason Witten should come

1193
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: off the field. Honestly, I mean he's he's gonna be

1194
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: the longest tenured cowboy in history. He's going to the

1195
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He can do whatever he wants until

1196
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: he decides he retires. As far as I'm concerned, he's

1197
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: still he's not as good as he used to be.

1198
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: He still does his job effectively enough that and no,

1199
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: he's not. You know, it would be fun to have

1200
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: like a David and Joku type of guy, or or

1201
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: an Evan Ingram who can do all that type of stuff.

1202
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't like these guys don't want that type of

1203
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: guy anyway, Like they've shown nothing to say that that

1204
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: that's how they want tight ends to play, Like it's

1205
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: easy to daydream about a tight end with Jimmy Graham

1206
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: like ability running down the scene. Like they don't want

1207
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: that guy. They want no offense to Jason went and

1208
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: they want like the boring style of tight end play.

1209
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: And not only that, yeah, but the other part to

1210
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: that too is that they they respect what he'll does

1211
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: from a leadership standpoint. We've seen this happen throughout the

1212
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: NFL history of the NFL. A guy that is a

1213
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: really great leader, they will give that guy many more

1214
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: years of being on a team. It happened with Woodson.

1215
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: You look at a guy like ray Lewis. Ray Lewis

1216
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: wasn't playing his best football by the end, but he

1217
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: was such a great leader that they were like, Okay,

1218
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: we'll deal with some of the things where he's taking

1219
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: a step back because the leadership is so good, right.

1220
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of the same thing with

1221
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: Witton that you have to factor in all of that

1222
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: when you talk about who he is as a player.

1223
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: The positives outweigh the negatives in my opinion. I mean,

1224
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: he got flagged four times last year, his yards perception

1225
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: or the lowest of his career. I still think the

1226
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: positives outweigh the negatives. I still think he can be

1227
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: a meaningful contributor to a good team. And I still

1228
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: think he's gonna play ninety five percent or more of

1229
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: the snaps. He got flagged four times last year. That's

1230
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: what the that's what I read. I mean, we'll not read.

1231
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: But like I went back and looked at it. I mean,

1232
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's almost won a game. It does,

1233
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: but that's one a month. Yeah, Ford, I mean that's

1234
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: got flag. I mean, got a false start every single

1235
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: game and it was fine. He got flagged three times

1236
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: for holding and once for false start last year. That's it. Yeah, God,

1237
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: I thought it was. He did all he did. He

1238
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: might have two of his three There might have been

1239
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: some declined ones in the maybe, but two of his

1240
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: three holds wiped out like fifty yards of rushing yard

1241
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: and um, I don't know, man, I just I'll worry

1242
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: about that when he decides to retire, because like they'll

1243
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: worry about the few, like why just why are you

1244
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna draft this guy? You know, Mike Mike Kiseki from

1245
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: Penn State is like he's that's he's the Jimmy Graham

1246
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: this year. Like you're just gonna have him wither away

1247
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: on the bench because he not getting on the field

1248
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: that I'd rather have a guy who can do more

1249
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: for me. And the one thing you'll say about tight

1250
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: end too, is it seems it seems like replacing a

1251
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: tight end is a lot different than a quarterback. You know,

1252
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: you have to get the quarterback in there early and

1253
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: give him chance to kind of be ready for when

1254
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: he takes the mantle. For tight end, it seems like

1255
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: if you draft the right one, you can bring him

1256
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: in in year one. They can be a really good

1257
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: for you. See what New York did not to mention

1258
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: for what they want their tights to do. Hannah and

1259
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: Swam can develop just as well at him in their rule.

1260
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, um Jarwin, Yeah, I gotta re focus myself,

1261
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: but train yourself well. You develop as blockers and all

1262
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: that good stuff in practice and in the two and

1263
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: three tight end sets like they're not. I'll believe they're

1264
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: gonna draft an Evan Ingram when I see it. Anyway,

1265
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: at least as long as this coaching staff is in place.

1266
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate you guys joining us. We are

1267
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: back next week and uh, actually we got so much

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00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: coverage coming on this week, and make sure you check

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,320
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Speaker 1: next week? Can I take next week off? No, we're

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Speaker 1: actually our time will actually change. We're actually gonna be

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Speaker 1: coming on on Tuesday next week. Oh that's right, because

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday through Friday we ain't gonna be here. We're

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Speaker 1: going on vacation. You got vacation coming up, and so

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Speaker 1: we'll tell you more about that next Tuesay though, But

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Speaker 1: until then, for Nick Even, Dave helm and Ambergarcier, Derek Eaelton,

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