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Speaker 1: of everything that we're talking about, what is it about

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Speaker 1: So with that came a type of like almost like

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Speaker 1: a motherly connection like this, this fucking she became like

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Speaker 1: America's and I don't want the America's. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely

428
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: she was. She was the black woman that every black

429
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: woman that was a public figure, every black female celebrity

430
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: went to for atonement when they fucked up in the media.

431
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: Oprah can change your mind, she can changed her habits

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00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: and which mes are driving force for for evil, such

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00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: as Tommy Hill figures racism. Now you're talking and this listen,

434
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: you're you're bringing us into what ultimately we we need

435
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: to unpack after the break. I can't wait the rumor.

436
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: The rumor would have been invalid had it gone on

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00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: anybody else's show. That's and you're making new points and

438
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm excited to unpack this ship. We're gonna take a break.

439
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more Alex English and more, my

440
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: mama told me. And we are back. How is my

441
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: man supposed to sch meet his meat with this ship? Bro?

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00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: What the fu? Yeah, we're back here with more Alex

443
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: English more, my mama told me. We're still talking about

444
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: the terror that Tommy Hill figure introduced to the world

445
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: when he when he told these people, these people he said,

446
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: these people better not where my goddamn white man clothes.

447
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: H is the rumor, and we're wondering, we're trying to

448
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: unpack whether or not it's true. What do you think

449
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: it would have taken for black people to fully a

450
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: Tommy Hill figure, Because that's a if in fact he

451
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: did make that statement. That's a bold fucking statement to make,

452
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: and black people still supported him. What do you think

453
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: it would have taken on the alleged Oprah episode where

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00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: the incidents had taken place, that would have had to

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00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: be followed up by him spinning in oprah space after

456
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: she kicked him off the set, like he had to

457
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: be provoked to do it, so when she said get

458
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: the hell off my set, then he physically attacks her.

459
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: And then it's like, yeah, we really can't get behind that, sir,

460
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, like that that is where we that's where

461
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: we that's where we dropped out. So he goes, he goes,

462
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't want these dirty monkeys wearing my clothes, and

463
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: Oprah's like, get out of here, Tommy, and then he

464
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: spits in her face like Tupac to that cameraman who

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00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: was catching him outside of court. And then in the

466
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: red Wings Jersey, you know, and then black people go,

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00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: all right, this guy is unreasonable. Um, it's I was

468
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: with him up into that. Hey listen, I could have

469
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: kept being a fan, but he's spent on Oprah, and

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00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: that's that's where I turned. All Right, we we have

471
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: to get into this research, and this is there's there's

472
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: a fair amount of what we've been talking about that

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00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: is completely unfounded. I'll be honest with you. In the

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00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: research that I discovered, it's largely and almost entirely false

475
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: that Tommy Hill Figure ever made these claims. Apparently, so

476
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: the original rumor sort of comes out in the fall

477
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: of n and it supposedly it came from a tabloid

478
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: magazine in the Philippines that later started making the rounds

479
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: on internet chat rooms. So the Philippines that's where it was.

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00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: He is one of the first modern victims of effect news. Yes, exactly.

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00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: Tommy Hill Figure was in fact, truly he was mean.

482
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: He was probably somewhere screaming fact news before anybody. Yeah,

483
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 1: and then he heard Trump saying he was like, man,

484
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I came up with that ship too. I don't believe

485
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: about nothing I'd come up with. So the original post

486
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: and This is interesting. The original post that got circulated

487
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: on the internet, and it's got all those weird like

488
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: chat room punctuations and weird misspellings that you would expect

489
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: from posts, but it basically goes, hello, please read and

490
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: pass on if you haven't already. Everyone needs to hear this.

491
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Good for Oprah. I'm sure many of you watched the

492
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: recent taping of the Oprah Winfrey Show where her guest

493
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: was Tommy Hilveger. On the show, she asked him if

494
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: the statements about race he was accused of saying, we're

495
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: true statements Like I'd known African Americans, Hispanics, Jewish and

496
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: Asians would buy my clothes and I would not have

497
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: made them so nice. I wish these people would not

498
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: buy my clothes, as they are made for upper class

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00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: white people. His ancestor to Oprah was a simple yes,

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00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: I guess there's This is poorly written, but they're basically

501
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: saying She asked about it and he said yes, whereafter

502
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: she immediately asked him to leave my show. My suggestion,

503
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: don't buy your next shirt or perfume from Tommy hill figure.

504
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: Let's give him what he asked for. Let's not buy

505
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: his clothes. Let's put him in a financial state where

506
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: he himself will not be able to afford the ridiculous

507
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: prices he puts on his clothes. Boycott please, and send

508
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: this message to anyone. You know. Nothing empowers people quite

509
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: like their own survival. Mmm. I'll say the boycott the

510
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: smear campaign was successful because they said please. That's the

511
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: most polo. I was the most polite call to action.

512
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Maybe it has something to do with your delivery lengths name,

513
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: but I want to give it to some of the right.

514
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: Wasn't all the way clear, but it was. It was gracious,

515
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: not great writers, but but truly courteous people asking for

516
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: what seems like reasonable things. When you put those those

517
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: pleas and thank you on them, bad boys, it go.

518
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean, think, just think about today one how susceptible

519
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: people are to misinformation. You and I have family members

520
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: on Facebook that we see post things from websites. I'm like,

521
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: this is not a reputable source. You're just passing it,

522
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: You're just sending to people. So I'm not surprised. I'm

523
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: not surprised that this garbage somehow got made its way

524
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: into this That guys to the point where we were

525
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: passing this information along from mother to mother to son

526
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: to son, to friends to friend and our communities. It's

527
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: it's just to think that this is just a retweet

528
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: that got out of control, Do you know what I mean?

529
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: Like it truly is. I remember too long ago that

530
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: there was that person who, in in the wake of

531
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: us discovering how much Jeff Bezos was worth in the pandemic,

532
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: basically tweeted out like incorrect math about like the breakdown

533
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: of what Jeff Bezos if he gave away this much money,

534
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: he could give away fifty dollars to each person in America.

535
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: And it turned out that the math was very, very wrong,

536
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: and he could pretty much only giveaway like a couple

537
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: dollars to everybody in America. But we all retweeted it

538
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: and looked dumb doing this thing. And that's essentially what

539
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: this Tommy He'll Figure thing was was we were just

540
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: forwarding emails of somebody saying that a thing happened that

541
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I'd like to believe that the origin the

542
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: person who created the Timmy He'll Figure scandal U Timey

543
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: He'll Figure Opra show scandal is the same person, if

544
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: not a distant relative of the person who creates those. Um,

545
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I am a black man, challenges that pop up. I

546
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: am a black man, challenges that popped up? Are you

547
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: supposed to collide? I don't talk I don't talk down

548
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: to my brothers. Those there's an ancestral link to those people,

549
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: and I want the twenty three and me on that

550
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: because I really believe that they're related. So I don't

551
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: know how related or unrelated they are, but I love

552
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: that theory. I will say that that they've actually tracked

553
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: down the person the original author of the post, who

554
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: was a lady named Christina Peixon, which is a Filipino

555
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: name if I've ever heard one. It's a little bit Spanish,

556
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of something else, and that's how

557
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: you know it's Filipino. But Christina Pexxon actually claimed that

558
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: the comment wasn't born on the Oprah Show, but the

559
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: actual original sort of statement about not wanting blacks and

560
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: agents and Jewish people to wear the clothes came from

561
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: his appearance on CNN Style with Elsa Clinton, where He'll

562
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: figure basically appeared alongside Ralph Lauren and he made that

563
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: bold statement. There is there any evidence of that great question.

564
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: And here's where it gets real fascinating, is that, no,

565
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of that because Tommy Hill figure never

566
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: appeared on Oprah or CNN Style until he never appeared

567
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: on CNN Style once, and he didn't appear on Oprah

568
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: until two thousand and seven. These are starting in nine six.

569
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: How about this, Let's say for the sake, let's say

570
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: for the sake of that, Tommy He'll figure saw this coming.

571
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 1: And as soon as he said it, after he said

572
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: he got it scrubbed, he was like, give me the tapes.

573
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: He did, this happened, he got kicked off of the

574
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: show right he went back. He stormed backstage. He stormed backstage,

575
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: and he said to the producers. He went all the

576
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: way in the back of Hardball. He's he caused Hill

577
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: for Hardboll Studios, all of being through Chicago. Said I'm

578
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: not leaving this motherfucker unless I get the tapes to

579
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: this show. Then, once the rumor started catching up with

580
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: them or of mouth, he had to go to see

581
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: Ann because he repeated himself. So he threatened somebody at

582
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: seeing In as well. He's like, if I'll kill Oprah,

583
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: I'll kill everybody. Figure don't let and he swore and

584
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: he took a blood oath with Ralph Lauren that they

585
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: both wouldn't let the world continue after this. Wow listen,

586
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: If true, devastating. If if true, We've got we've got

587
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: a real one on our hands. I will say that

588
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: one of the more fascinating turns that comes out of

589
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: this is that the conspiracy actually exists. There were similar

590
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: claims of Tommy basically making this statement in a bunch

591
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: of different places. So there's one claim that he did

592
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: it on the Ricky Lake Show. There's another claim that

593
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: he did it on Larry King Live and My personal favorite.

594
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: There's even a claim that he did it on BT News.

595
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: Not with not with j and Free, No Jackie Jackie Reid,

596
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Not with Jackie Reid. No, not Jackie Reid. Yeah, that

597
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: Tommy Hill figure sat across from Ed Gordon, and he

598
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: looked him in the eye and he said, thank you

599
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: for having me on that Gordon. Now, just to be clear,

600
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't want you and your monkey friends wearing my clothes.

601
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: Have a good night black entertainment televisions, and take off

602
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: my shirt. Take off my goddamn shirt, Ed Gordon. Okay,

603
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: So he went on a tour with this. Listen, the

604
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: white man is gonna make his way on every news outlet.

605
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna make his way, He's gonna make himself heard.

606
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: And I and I still say, there's a piece of me.

607
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: You can you can say what you wants. Know, you

608
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: can say what you want back trackers of the world.

609
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: But I think I think, you know, at first I

610
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: was gonna give him some grace, but I'm like, no,

611
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: white men are tricky, you know, man, white man want

612
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: to play games. So just to be clear, this is

613
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: not deterred you from your commitment to this, to this

614
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, any believing in the possibility of it. You've

615
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: got to consider. You gotta consider everything that could happen.

616
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, upper Uper could be complicit. She has done

617
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: She has done some you know, she not squeaky clean herself.

618
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: She was like, okay, well I like the sweaters that

619
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: time he'll figure snees me. So you know, I could

620
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: try to help him, you know, clean this up. It

621
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: never happened. She could have just did one of the

622
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: men in black flashes with the audience like you never

623
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: saw this, We don't know what happened. My mother did Okay, Look,

624
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: my mother never really told me everything that happened when

625
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: she went to go to the Opra show, Like, I

626
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: don't know if that guy, I don't know what weeping

627
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: some gas masks came down and they got chloroformed. You know,

628
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of that, you don't know what your

629
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: mother had to do for them favorite things, all of

630
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: them that there's no way listen. We struggle sometimes financial

631
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, girl, where are

632
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: these Upper how How are you still paying for this

633
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: Upper magazine subscription? Where is the money coming from? Why

634
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: the fun are you keep when you keep reading these

635
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: old magazines and I'm starving to death? What is going

636
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: on listening? I don't know. I don't ever want to

637
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: speak ill of my mother. I love my mother and

638
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: my girl, but I do think she signed an agreement

639
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: with UPER, like anybody that owns all of the Upper magazines,

640
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: UPER is not doing good work. Suggestion really interests me

641
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: because now you're you're starting to you're starting to dig

642
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: into some ship that that gets me excited because I

643
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: don't know that I think Tommy Hill figure actually made

644
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: these claims, right. If I'm being perfectly honest with you,

645
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm not. I think it's probably completely unfounded. Right. But

646
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: here's where I get interested, is that is it possible

647
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: that Oprah started these rumors to keep playing the hero

648
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: for the black community while simultaneously servicing and almost exclusively

649
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: white audience, Because look, Oprah is running around here apparently

650
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: kicking people off her show. That's the most unbelievable fact

651
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: in this ship is that Oprah stood up for black people.

652
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: Get the funk out of here. What's more likely is

653
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: Oprah made up some ship, told a lady in the

654
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: Philippines to circulate it, and then you know, came in

655
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: looking like she gave a funk about us, when in fact,

656
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: everything in history tells us otherwise. I believe you're speaking

657
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: on behalf of me and Dr Umar and literally everybody else,

658
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: everybody else that falls under the umbrella of not hatred

659
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: towards oprahot hatred, but but but a particular line of

660
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: questioning about your professional activities. Yeah, I've got a distaste.

661
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: We'll call the one who has that firm any any

662
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: anybody that has that firm of a ground. I'm mad

663
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: that I'm doing this right now, but listen, you're making

664
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: a point, and that that might be more important. It provides,

665
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: It provides. I think this helps accentuate what what I'm

666
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: saying here. Anywhere that has that firm of a grip okay,

667
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: on the balls and titties and every other every other

668
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: body part of America, like Oprah, she has the power

669
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: of persuasion. Yes, she absolutely did. And and the the

670
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: same rumors. This is a fascinating thing that I had

671
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: no idea about. These same rumors actually existed for Liz

672
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: Claiborne all the way back in where Oprah supposedly threw

673
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: her out because she claimed that black women weren't meant

674
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: for her clothes because their hips were too big. They

675
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: had those big old uh nigger child bearing hips and

676
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: she didn't want them in her clothes. Again, why Oprah

677
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: keeps being the vessel for this is the part that

678
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: bumps very suspecies. Where they're smoke, there's fire. Where there's smoke,

679
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: there's fire. And if there's a continuous narrative, I believe

680
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: I listened. First of all, there's no better visual than

681
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: Oprah went free kicking somebody off of the show. Let's

682
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: just let's just start there. That's I mean, I I am,

683
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: I desire for it to be true actually exists off

684
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: of the strength of that alone. Like I'm just trying

685
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: to I'm just wondering what Oprah is Like body movements

686
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: are Does she kick her shoes off and go barefoot?

687
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: In the pricess of like get this, get this sign

688
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: of a bit off my set? Because them out like,

689
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I want to know what, you know, I don't. I

690
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: want to know what she tried? What what what that

691
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: looks like? You know, I don't think any of us

692
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: can imagine it because it seems so far from the

693
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: character she's built. Here's where it gets even more fascinating

694
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: for me is that these rumors start circulating for Tommy

695
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: Hill figure in right, and this this sort of girl's

696
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: further into the point that we've been talking about. Oprah

697
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: doesn't actually say anything about it. She doesn't openly deny

698
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: it until so three years go by, this rumor circulating,

699
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: and then eventually, at the beginning of one show, she goes, hey, y'all,

700
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: y'all been saying a lot of stuff about Timmy Hill figure.

701
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: I want to assure you he was never on the show.

702
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: This never happened. Blah blah blah. See and here's the

703
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: thing with that. Three years. Three years. That's three years

704
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: of scrubbing, three years of plotting, three years of letting

705
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: the story build up and letting black Americans like have

706
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: a conversation about it, letting some of us really sit

707
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: firmly in the idea of it, letting just letting it

708
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: permeate our psyches and sitting it while all the while

709
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: still purchasing his ship. And that and that to me

710
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: feels like the way, even if it isn't specifically true

711
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: of Oprah, it feels like the way that all of

712
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: these sinister sort of like plans work. Right, go ahead,

713
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: you tell me, you gotta thought. I just open his intention.

714
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: She probably had a conversation with Hill figure, right he

715
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: was like, look, we know She was like, we know

716
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: you're not losing any money from you know why people,

717
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, they find out you racist, and you know

718
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: that's when you actual your sales do. All this is

719
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: really to your to your theory. We're going hand in

720
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: hand legs in here. Like Oprah said to him, niggas

721
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: are still gonna buy a club. So if anything, I'm

722
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: just helping you get your your the word out here,

723
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: you know. But then then we're gonna let three years ago,

724
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: and then I'm a quell it and I'm gonna call

725
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: you like, oh, come on, like here up upper. That's

726
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: that's the opera when she put the yea, yeah, come on,

727
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: it's time for your atonement. And then you win back

728
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: whoever you lost, especially if they're white and like they're

729
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: white and with black people. But then it's like, oh,

730
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: he's not racist, Thank god, I can go back to buying. Yeah,

731
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: And to that point, maybe she just waited out till

732
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: Tommy was starting to sort of phase out of our

733
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: our brand recognition, and then she can give him a

734
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: quick re up on his sort of credibility by being like, hey,

735
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: by the way, that rumor that you've been spreading for

736
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: three fucking years, that's a long time. Uh, I mean said,

737
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: can I talk to can I talk to your blacks?

738
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: Can talk to your black snow like you've done seeking

739
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: me to the house or now I can get them

740
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: back and make a little more money and rebrand. And

741
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like the rumor still hasn't even

742
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: really been like got extinguished rather recently. Yea, so those

743
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: people still believe that I mentioned it earlier. But Tommy

744
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: Hill figure actually never appeared on the Oprah Winfree Show

745
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: until two thousand seven, and he goes on the Oprah

746
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: Winfree Show and she like basically obviously has to address

747
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: these rumors with him in person. And she says, and Tommy,

748
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, this is a silly thing to have to

749
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: talk about, but have you ever been on my show before?

750
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: And he goes, unfortunately not, And then she says, and

751
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: have you ever said anything wrong about the black community.

752
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: He says, absolutely not. I'm a big fan of black people.

753
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: All my workers are black. And he doesn't say that,

754
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: but that would be fun if he was like, yeah,

755
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: all my slaves are black. Was it a whole was

756
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: it a whole show or was it a segment? I

757
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: don't actually know the answer to that question. I would

758
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: assume it's just a set. Man. I don't know what

759
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: the funk You talk to Tommy, he'll figure about for

760
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: an entire day. But but to see, there you go.

761
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: She gave him. She gave him a segment because you know,

762
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: I feel like her her oprah S thoughts could have

763
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: been I'm not gonna let us have a conversation too

764
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: long because the truth might slip out. So I'm giving

765
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: you be careful and we're just gonna do like top

766
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: of the Show ten minutes. Yeah, you get about it here.

767
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: Can't be trusting not to drop an in by m

768
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: So we'll just we'll let him talk for a little bit.

769
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: We'll be like, Tommy, love your jeans, have a good day,

770
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: and and then that I'm just saying, believe what you

771
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: want about the rumor. We just always have to think

772
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 1: about the possibility. Yeah. So so ultimately here's where I landed.

773
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: Uh is I still found myself asking why Tommy, He'll figure,

774
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: why did this become sort of the target of this uh,

775
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: this very complicated m er that spread over a lot

776
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: of different places. None of the words were ever paired

777
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: down exactly. It's just a mess of a conspiracy. And

778
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: what it ended up become, well, what ended up becoming

779
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: clear to me is that Tommy Hill Vigger sort of

780
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: came to height. And we talked about this earlier in

781
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: the the era of branded fashion, right where a person's

782
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: name or a company's name was physically written on the clothes.

783
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: And then alongside of that was also something that maybe

784
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: you remember well from when we were kids, was knockoff brands.

785
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: Being becoming hugely popular. So instead of Foo Boo, they

786
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: had Poo Boo. And I remember that there was Sean

787
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: John but it was spelled like Sean Wayne's instead of

788
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: Seawan U S E A N. And all of these

789
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: fake brands started to exist as a way of kids

790
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: being able to wear some cool ship without spending top

791
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: dollar at least they thought. But you probably got roasted

792
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: for it. Oh, you rusted relentlessly to the point where

793
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: you would beg your parents and you like you could

794
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: tell who God who it got to the most, because

795
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: they would show up with the right and they would

796
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 1: they would spend all their money on a platinum Fubu

797
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: shirt and that was all they had. But they had

798
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: that one little fat Albert shirt. And apparently we were

799
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: all just running around in fat Albert clothes. And it's

800
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: just now hitting me how difficulty problematic that is for

801
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: all the years. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make

802
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: is that with the knockoff brands, which, like many clothes

803
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 1: in this country, were primarily made in Asian countries. There

804
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: are some theories that Tommy Hill figure made a statement

805
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: saying that people shouldn't be wearing the knockoff brands because

806
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: they don't look good in them, and they are basically

807
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: like cheap versions of the the more quality things that

808
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: he and Ralph, Ralph Lauren and Eddie Bauer and all

809
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: these people were making. And so if you put two

810
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: and two together, what it sounds like is Tommy He'll

811
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: figure took a shot at some of these knockoff brands,

812
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of people took that personally and

813
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: then concocted a rumor about what he said from the

814
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: much more innocuous statement he made. Listen, I don't knock

815
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: how people make their money and need to ship Tommy,

816
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: He'll figure, that's taking money out of the black man's hands.

817
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Let's making that's taking money out of the black man's hands.

818
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: And you know, if he said it, and it's and

819
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: it's also like, okay, if that's what if that's what

820
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: he said, all right, okay, how about how about this?

821
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: I feel like you benefit more off of the sensationalism

822
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: of racism. So so he could be he had a

823
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: decision to make. He was like, Okay, which way do

824
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: I want to take this misunderstanding? Which way do I do? People? So, oh,

825
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just allow them to think for a little while.

826
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: And then I got Oprah, Now, now maybe we're now

827
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: we're maybe we're giving him more credit than we're giving open.

828
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: Maybe he saw the rumor roll out into something else.

829
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: Maybe he did say something rolled out into something else.

830
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: It's snowballed into Jewish black and Asian can't wear this.

831
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: And and then he was like, well, people, there's a

832
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: lot of attention. My my my name is being brought up,

833
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: brand is being brought up. Let's just rock this out.

834
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: And that you know, that is a fascinating part of

835
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: of the original statement, right, is that he does mention

836
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: race in this thing, and that that makes it complicated, right,

837
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: is that like, yeah, I can't just be everybody wearing knockoffs,

838
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: motherfucker would Yeah. And I think at the end of

839
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: the day, what we're talking about is like, hey, dog,

840
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: if people are making knockoff versions of your clothes, I

841
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: get why you would be frustrated. You probably worked really

842
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: hard to make those clothes. But you ain't got to

843
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: be like these goddamn Asians are doing it. Just kind

844
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: of be like, hey, knock off, knock it off, and

845
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: then move on, and said he was like these motherfucking

846
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: Asians if they don't cut it out making the knockoffs

847
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: that look cheap. And it's like, all right, if you're

848
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: gonna take shots, then Christina in the Philippines is about

849
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: to shoot back. Yep, that's right, and I'm here. This

850
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: is what happens. Okay, this is what this is what happens.

851
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: You know. He had to make a decision though. Something

852
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: tells me Oprah owed him a favor. We don't know

853
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: what it is. Each other party. He was like, yo,

854
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: he was. He was at one of Harvey Weinstein's parties, okay,

855
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: and and Harvey Harvey was like Oprah, Oprah, Tommy, Tommy Oprah.

856
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: And Tommy was like, Oprah, nice to meet you. While

857
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: we're shaking while we're shaking hands, do I have your

858
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: word that if I've ever accused of racism, that you'll

859
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: help me clean the shut up? And She's like absolutely, yeah,

860
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: racism because Oprah head like how many glasses of wine

861
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: at the at the Weinstein party, just you know, while

862
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: the kids was being ushered off into like the side rooms,

863
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: she was busy guslin wine. That's that's why she didn't know.

864
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: She was too busy getting drunk to see the kids

865
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: at the parties, and like you know that, you know

866
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: she wasn't there. She never heard of she never heard

867
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: her talked about it under them because she was too

868
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: busy making that deal with time. She was making deals

869
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: to protect white people from their own races. Listen, you've

870
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: you've dropped some knowledge here. You've given us a lot

871
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: to think about. We're gonna take a break and we'll

872
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: be back with more Alex English more, my mama told me.

873
00:51:44,320 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: And we are back. No, no, no, yeah, we're back

874
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: here with more Alex English more. My mama told me.

875
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: We're still talking about that that tyrant Oprah and the

876
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: secret handshakes. She was doing it celebrity parties to protect

877
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: the white man from his own white man ship. I

878
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: want to play a game. We're gonna play a game together.

879
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: It's a fun game. It's a brand new game. We've

880
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: never played this one before. It's a brand new game

881
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: that I'm calling Oprah's Acolytes. Were you silent or were

882
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: you silenced? Oprah's Acolites is a It's a fun game

883
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: where I Alex am going to introduce to you a

884
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: few of the people that we were created from the

885
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: Oprah dynasty that were born out of the opera dynasty,

886
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: that have now become famous in their own right. And

887
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: what I would like to do, because I think you

888
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: and I are both in agreement that Oprah has only

889
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: sinister plans for the world and awful sort of treacherous

890
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: things in mind for our our well being, what I

891
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: would love for you to do is unpack what you

892
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: think Oprah's intention was in letting these people loose out

893
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: into the world. That makes sense to you, perfect things. Yeah,

894
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: so the first person was Dr Phil. What do you

895
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: think Oprah's plans were in unleashing Doctor Phil to the world.

896
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: I think that when when Oprah brought us Dr Phil,

897
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: she was saying, there is a vast majority of Americans specifically,

898
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: who are suffering from mental health issues, and I would

899
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: like to be um a part of making it work.

900
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: I see a lot of sick Americans, and I would

901
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: like them to be sicker. I don't want because yep,

902
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: and I do believe that Oprah is hand in hand

903
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: she she is in cahoots with Big Pharma. Okay, So

904
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: if I can unleash this very traumatic man, very this

905
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: very man that screams that you, yells at you kind

906
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: of doesn't they give you any loving path to kind

907
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: of just shouts and assumes authority, assumes authority with like

908
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: no real guidance really and kind of platform him towards

909
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: where he has a very show that almost exploits the

910
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: psychological nature of the modern day American. Just gonna give

911
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: those two big farmer because what evn, what evn happened

912
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: is between his show there are commercials for for for

913
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: for pills and drugs that help you get it, you know,

914
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: become dependent on those. So Oprah Oprah and Big Farma

915
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: were the parents of Dr fil Wow, Okay, I like

916
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: where you're heading. Here's a here's a fun one that

917
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: you did. Dr Phil hit me with a little, a

918
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: little sauce on doctor os. What do you do with

919
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: doctor oys? Doctor oys? Okay? I think with doctor oys?

920
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: Women already go to the doctor. Okay, it's already known

921
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: that women are prone to visiting the doctor getting checked

922
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: up more regularly than men. So why not make it

923
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: sexy for you know why? Because Dr Oz is an

924
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: attractive man. No one wants to suck Dr Phil. So

925
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: that's why he's gonna He's gonna suck your brain. Dr

926
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: I is gonna get it. Doctor Oz is gonna get

927
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: up in your pussy. You know that guy's gonna tell you. Yeah,

928
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: Dr Oz, tell me about my titties, tell me about

929
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: my lump, tell me about okay ladies, if you if

930
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: you check, my mother would have never gone to get

931
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: a breast exam if it wasn't for a doctor Os.

932
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: So you're sunding me and correct me if I'm hearing

933
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: you wrong. I think what you're saying is is that

934
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: Dr Phil introduced Big Farma and then Dr Oz made

935
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: Big Farmer sexy. He made us horny for big Farma.

936
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz brought big Farma back, brought sexy back, sexy

937
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: back into big farm. We're now busting it over for

938
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: pills because of Doctor Oz busted. I'd open for your ID.

939
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that, and I hate that

940
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: this is Oprah's playing, but but I love that you

941
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: spotted it. And we're gonna unpack some more. And birth

942
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: control yea, and we already we can, We already know

943
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: about what birth control is to black women in the community.

944
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: So and you you think Oprah, Oprah, Yeah, go ahead

945
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: and tell tell these bitches about their bodies. That's what

946
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: she told. That's what she told. Dr. I I like this. Okay,

947
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: tech me, let's do another one. Rachel Ray, talk to

948
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: me about what Rachel Ray and Oprah's intentions with Rachel Ray. Okay,

949
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us are well versed on

950
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: Oprah's relationship with food. Remember when she pulled out the meat,

951
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: the meat, and that was like the meat that she

952
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: pulled out on the wagon was the equivalent of how

953
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: much she lost. For those that don't remember, Oprah at

954
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: one point lost I believe, sixty seven pounds. And then

955
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 1: she then dragged a wagon of animal fat out onto

956
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: the stage to demonstrate how much weight she had lost.

957
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: And Oprah, Oprah is as a shape shifter. We know this.

958
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: Like she she goes up and down in wait like

959
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: nobody's business. So I believe that when she got into

960
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: the meeting, Okay, she got into the meeting with ABC,

961
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: and she said, ladies and Jane Man, my my next

962
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: for my next prototype, Rachel Ray, she presented Rachel Ray,

963
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: and and the mission with Rachel Ray was big girls,

964
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: you can eat well, but but be healthy, but keep eating. Okay,

965
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: let me let me see if I can take this

966
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: a step further, because I think what you're saying is

967
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: is that Oprah Winfrey introduces Rachel Ray as a way

968
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: of trapping us in our own like fat ship while

969
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: simultaneously selling us health. She's like being like, Hey, you

970
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: don't gotta change your diet. You don't gotta be a

971
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: different kind of per since secretly Rachel Ray is cooking

972
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: up a bunch of meals that are clogging our cardiovascular

973
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: valves and ship and holding us down. You know what

974
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: she did? Remember when the cartoon and the in all

975
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: of the cartoons, they would try to get bugs Bunny, right,

976
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: and they would try to get bugs Bunny with the

977
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: carrock and you know, the string will be on the carry.

978
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: You public, Okay, there was no string, Okay, Oprah put

979
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: the carry in the box in the Rachel Ray box

980
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: with the carrick, or got all of the big women

981
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: to come towards the box, close the box but in

982
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: but the box turned into rid, the carry turned into ribs.

983
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: She was she a trick. So I do you know what,

984
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: I honestly believe Chira is a figment of our imagine

985
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: that she is merely a hor crux of Oprah out

986
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: in the world sort of doing her her deviant damage.

987
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: There we are. I would honestly scrap everything that we

988
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: just said about Rechel Ray, even what and that is

989
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: what I believe. I believe that Rechel Ray is a hologram.

990
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: She doesn't really exist. Oprah did it just to make

991
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: it appear as though she was cared about healthy eating

992
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. She was like, yeah, this will fit.

993
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: She was tired of talking. There was let's just let's

994
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: just keep in a book. At a certain point of

995
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: time in her tenure, during her run, Oper just got

996
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: tired of talking. Let me just get this to people.

997
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm white people. Y'all been here in my voice every

998
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: single day for twenty something years. I'm gonna give y'all

999
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: these white people, and I'm gonna sit back and and

1000
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: be responsible for them. That she is desored is Oprah

1001
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: is desored on? And they are they? Well, I'll ask

1002
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: you about this last person. And I don't know, I

1003
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: feel qualified this person as a power ranger in that

1004
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: analogy that you just created. We were just talking about

1005
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: her a Yama van Zayand what do you think Oprah's

1006
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: intention was when she m least I yan le Van

1007
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: ZANDT on the World Comedy Oprah. Oprah was like, we

1008
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: need to last, we need to laugh together the end,

1009
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: and um, you know what's so funny is that Iyan

1010
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Levan truly is a comedian. I believe that I Van

1011
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: is like one of she's one of the underrepresented, underrated,

1012
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: Unlike she's not giving her due as a comic. I'm

1013
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: not as funny as Ivan, and I know that I

1014
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: don't think I ever will be. I don't think I

1015
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: ever will be. She there was, there was an episode

1016
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: and I went on and eat Ayana like rabbit holl

1017
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: on YouTube not long ago. And there was because you know,

1018
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: they had drama and Oprah handed because because Oprah basically

1019
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: played her set her up to to be the next

1020
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: person and then got jealous that I Yana wasn't following

1021
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: her her ex act instructions as a supreme leader. Mm hmmm.

1022
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: And then I Yana Ayana broke Ayana broke the broke

1023
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: the chain of command. And she was like, you know what,

1024
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna going on here to do my own thing.

1025
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: And she was like, you know what I can do

1026
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: to you? You know, I look what I did Tommy

1027
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: Tommy Hill figure do you need the same thing. If

1028
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: you happen, get back on my show and talk to

1029
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: my wife. I Yana had to do the same. I

1030
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: Yana had to do the same purp walk, the same

1031
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: purple walk. Go on that show and talk, cry to Opra,

1032
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: talk about what's going on, and then we can send

1033
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: you on your way. On that one that episode, Actually

1034
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: there is a scene, which is why I said comedy.

1035
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: There is a scene, and this is how evil Opra is.

1036
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: There is a scene where they're taking like b roll

1037
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: shots of Ayana while she's telling her story about struggling

1038
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: financially and like spiraling after the uper deal went through

1039
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: and she was depressed and stuff. And they're taking the

1040
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: roll of Ayana just like draped in like this big

1041
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: heavy coat with the scarf wrapped around her, this weird hat,

1042
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: and she's walking through life. She's walking through like a park,

1043
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: a random park. It's like a cloudy day. It's not

1044
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,479
Speaker 1: a it's not a flattering shot of her. But they've

1045
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: played it. They've played the beat roll of her doing

1046
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: that like maybe three times throughout the segment, and the

1047
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: audience is like laughing and Oprah's calling back to it

1048
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: multiple times, making an audience of people laugh at her

1049
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: like she's literally embarrassing her, and Ayana has to like

1050
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: shrug it off, like oh yeah, I look, oh listen

1051
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: that shot don't know. Yeah, that's not Oprah had called

1052
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: it back, like can you She's She's literally like play

1053
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: it again, play it again. I can' And I'm like,

1054
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: and I will say, there's something really sinister on what

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Speaker 1: you're describing. Where Oprah is quite possibly teaching the world.

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Speaker 1: She gives us Ayan La van Santa as a way

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Speaker 1: to teach the world to laugh comically at this black

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Speaker 1: woman instead of respecting her as an actual therapist. He

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Speaker 1: alert that she sort of has like branded herself as

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Speaker 1: and she is no more unqualified than Dr Phillis. But

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Speaker 1: Oprah found a way to discredit the black woman and

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Speaker 1: then prop the white dude up for twenty seasons of

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Speaker 1: yelling at teenagers and telling them that they need to

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Speaker 1: be nicer to their moms. Mm hmmm. And Ayana has

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Speaker 1: the hips that Liz Claiborne didn't want people wearing. She

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Speaker 1: does exactly, Hey, I see what's the connected, and I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to see all connected. It's all connected. Tommy Hill

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Speaker 1: figure said get your big black e on the hill

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Speaker 1: out of my gene. I loved it, Alex. I think

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Speaker 1: we did it. I think we nailed it. You you you,

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Speaker 1: you laid it down. You gave me all the info

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Speaker 1: I need. Could you tell the people at home where

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Speaker 1: they can find you, what kind of cool stuff you

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Speaker 1: got going on. I'm everywhere on the internet, Alex English.

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Speaker 1: The e that spells the English day is nu miracle.

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Speaker 1: It is the number three. It's a few things coming out.

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Speaker 1: I have a stand up set coming out soon, the

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Speaker 1: Glazer that's coming out, a couple of other things. But

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Speaker 1: if you come to my handles and my website, that

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Speaker 1: will all be off there. FU Yeah, go follow Alex.

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Speaker 1: He's great and uh as always, you can follow us,

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Speaker 1: subscribe like this ship, leave comments, good or bad. I

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Speaker 1: love reading them, and feel free to follow me and

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Speaker 1: send us stuff at my mama pot at gmail dot com. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's everything I had to say. By bitch Chips in

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Speaker 1: your Quala bears are racist money stuff I can't tell

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Speaker 1: me