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Speaker 1: You're listening to part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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Speaker 1: and iHeartRadio. Guess what Will?

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Speaker 2: What's that Mango?

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Speaker 1: So one of the great things about working from home

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Speaker 1: is that you can slip away from a stressful day

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Speaker 1: or big meetings and get a little exercise. I know

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Speaker 1: you like to run. I like to play tennis when

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Speaker 1: I can get away. But I was wondering about people

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Speaker 1: who relax by doing more extreme sports. Like if you

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Speaker 1: want to go surfing in the middle of the day

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Speaker 1: and hit the waves, but then get on a zoom

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Speaker 1: right after, how do you do that without looking like

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Speaker 1: a mess? So I was doing some research and I

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Speaker 1: think I found an answer with this Japanese wetsuit. It's

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Speaker 1: a one hundred percent waterproof bodysuit that also doubles as

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Speaker 1: a business suit.

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Speaker 2: So does it actually look like a business suit or

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Speaker 2: is it just like a regular wetsuit with some sort

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Speaker 2: of jacket on top or something like that.

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Speaker 1: It's like a regular two piece suit and it's got

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Speaker 1: a button up shirt, except everything is super stretchy. It's

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Speaker 1: to repell in. I've actually got a picture for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna click it over and send it to you.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 2: That is actually pretty awesome. It actually looks pretty sick.

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Speaker 2: I mean the pants look a little tighter than you

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Speaker 2: typically want them. I know you like your tight. I

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Speaker 2: like them, yeah, but otherwise honestly not bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And even the accessories or waterproof, so you can

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Speaker 1: go for a waterproof necktie or a waterproof bow tie,

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Speaker 1: because we deserve nice things and it is nice to

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Speaker 1: have options.

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Speaker 2: It's true. I actually think this would be one case

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Speaker 2: where I would go with the bow tie, because yeah,

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Speaker 2: you don't want the like necktie slaping you in the

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Speaker 2: face as you're going through this. But I'm curious to know, like,

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Speaker 2: how did this business, you know, like these formal wetsuits

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Speaker 2: come about.

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Speaker 1: Apparently it's a collaboration between Quicksilver in Japan and this

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Speaker 1: Tokyo based ad firm, and the goal was to figure

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Speaker 1: out a way to get former surfers back into the sport.

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Speaker 1: Surfing is hugely popular in Japan, but ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: young surfers give it up once they get day jobs.

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Speaker 1: So the hope was that if salarymen can have some

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Speaker 1: way that they can get in the ocean but then

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Speaker 1: get to the office right after, sort of like from

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Speaker 1: the board to the boardroom, they can slip surfing back

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Speaker 1: into their lives.

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Speaker 2: And has this worked?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well it.

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Speaker 1: Is a much better gimmick than it is officeware. But

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Speaker 1: stumbling into this outfit made me think about how much

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Speaker 1: I've always wanted to do a surfing episode, even though

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Speaker 1: I am not a surfer. I thought we should get

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Speaker 1: one out before the summer is done. So why don't

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Speaker 1: we grab our boards and dive in?

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 2: I'm Will Pearson and as always I'm joined by my

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Speaker 2: good friend mangesh Hot Ticketer and on the other side

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Speaker 2: of my computer screen hanging ten on his ironing board.

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Speaker 2: He's got creative here, Mango. That's our friend and super

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Speaker 2: producer Dylan Fagan. And for any concern listeners out there,

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Speaker 2: and I know you're off concern with the stunts that

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Speaker 2: Dylan is pulling, you should know that the ironing board

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Speaker 2: is not extended. It's flat on the floor and he's

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Speaker 2: balancing on top of it. I think he wants to

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Speaker 2: be protective of, you know, his his dainty ankles. This

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Speaker 2: is a fun fact about super producer Dylan. Very concerned

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Speaker 2: about it, So, Mango, this topic has kind of been

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Speaker 2: sitting in the queue for a long time for us,

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Speaker 2: and I'm curious, why have you been wanting to do

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Speaker 2: a show on surfing?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not exactly sure. I think it's because

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Speaker 1: so badly. You know, it is so beautiful and calming,

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Speaker 1: and I love watching people surf. But also I'm absolutely

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Speaker 1: to surf. It's stunning. I agree, But what's stopping you

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Speaker 1: But also it just feels so dangerous. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 1: Still do like facts about surfing, and I'm curious where

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Speaker 2: Actually, before we jump into that, I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: people commuting home from work by floating on the Rhine?

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Speaker 1: If you see these, it is unbelievable. Like those images

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Speaker 2: It really does. So I guess in Basil, Switzerland, they've

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Speaker 2: got these little cabins for changing and their showers along

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Speaker 2: belongings in these waterproof floating bags. They're shaped like fish,

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Speaker 2: and then they just float home much as this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's so cool and it feels like such a nice

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Speaker 2: way to end every summer workday. Think about this if

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Speaker 2: to do that. And that's just an aside, but I

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Speaker 2: start by talking about some of the early accounts of surfing.

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Speaker 2: I know, we like to go back to the very

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Speaker 2: He served as a ship's officer on one of Captain

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Speaker 2: Cook's voyages through the Pacific. This was back in seventeen

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Speaker 2: basically the first outsiders to witness surfing. So he writes

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Speaker 2: about this in his journal, and Clerk recounted watching these

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Speaker 1: I also can't imagine how wild it must have been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty cool. And so he wrote, they basically

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Speaker 2: favorite account of surfing comes about one hundred years later,

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Speaker 2: Mark Twain writes about the phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Mark Twain went to Hawaii.

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Speaker 2: He did, He did go to Hawaiian So he writes

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Speaker 2: about this and his travel memoir called Roughing It. And

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Speaker 2: from missionaries to sugar operations to local lore. But what's

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Speaker 2: And here's how he describes it. He says, quote, at

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Speaker 2: he would come whizzing by like a bombshell. It did

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Speaker 2: a tiny bit. But what's even better is that Twain

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Speaker 2: master the art of surf bathing thoroughly. Pretty great story there.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like surf bathing makes it sound like

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Speaker 1: do that every day. I know you're a much better

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Speaker 2: She might have claimed that she was an Olympic swimmer,

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Speaker 1: So I had no idea that Mark Twain wrote any

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Speaker 1: It is fantastic book. Good and honestly like reading about

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Speaker 1: Huck Finn from Jim's perspective made me want to go

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Speaker 1: like now I've got to start with this travel bit more.

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Speaker 2: who recommended James. One of our fantastic podcasters, Danny Shapiro,

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Speaker 1: Sorry for the yeah, I love it for over. My

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Speaker 1: next fact, I want to talk about how surfing started

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Speaker 1: as an equal opportunity family activity. And this goes back

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Speaker 1: to its inception. So surfing and Hawaii and other Polynesian

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Speaker 1: did this. And in fact, the oldest known surfboard belonged

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Speaker 2: I feel like whenever you hear about surf history in America,

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Speaker 2: It was definitely not a story with a woman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the truth is that Hawaii's surf culture was

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Speaker 1: So the sport kind of fell by the wayside in Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: turn of the century when Californians were introduced to the

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Speaker 1: sport by male Hawaiian surfers, and that includes Duke Anamuku,

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Speaker 1: so this is in the eighteen nineties, Hawaii's princess was

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I just assumed gidget was a surf

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Speaker 1: So the first one is doggy door. Do you know

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Speaker 2: Uh? I feel like you hear the phrase big kahooner.

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Speaker 1: I love that idea. I do feel like Mushburgers would

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Part Time Genius, where we're sharing some

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Speaker 1: and will I think it's your turn to go next?

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, you felt like my my facts about

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Speaker 1: Not familiar. Not familiar?

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Speaker 2: and I was like, how did this happen? How are

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Speaker 2: That's pretty well. I didn't realize that the SpongeBob creator,

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Speaker 2: Now apparently by this time, he's already made an educational

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Awesome. That's really sweet. So my

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Speaker 1: It's about how researchers are putting surfers to monitoring the

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Speaker 1: So apparently scientists are outfitting volunteer surfers with a special

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Speaker 2: You mean to shred the NAR. Actually, while you were

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Speaker 1: and once compiled, scientists will be able to compare those

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Speaker 1: readings and get a better understanding of how the ocean's

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Speaker 1: chemistry is changing over time and what it might look

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Speaker 1: like in the future, which I think is awesome.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can see how this helps the scientists,

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Speaker 2: but honestly, like what's in it for the surfers, because

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Speaker 2: I for serious surfers or enthusiasts, I could see how

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Speaker 2: mounting additional gear would you know, get in the way

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Speaker 2: or down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the researchers behind the project thought of that, and

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Speaker 1: according to one of them, this is what they said, quote,

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Speaker 1: we built some extra technology into the smart fin that

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Speaker 1: will compel surfers to use it for their own selfish

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Speaker 1: reasons to know where and when waves are good and

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Speaker 1: to tract their own surfing performance. So you know, the

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Speaker 1: idea is that all this technology can actually be performance enhancing,

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Speaker 1: and the hope is that everyone wins.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, here is a quick one. So we've

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Speaker 2: talked a lot about human surfers today, which I guess

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Speaker 2: makes sense. But other animals have also taken up surfing,

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Speaker 2: though none more successfully than the yellow bellied sea snakes.

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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the yellow bellads seas? Its original

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Speaker 2: home was in the ocean waters of Southeast Asia, but

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Speaker 2: the snakes have since been found near Hawaii or Mexico,

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Speaker 2: even an island in the Indian Ocean, and for decades

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Speaker 2: a big mystery among biologists was how these tiny snakes

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Speaker 2: managed to turn up in tropical waters all over the world.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these guys weigh like three to seven ounces

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Speaker 2: or about two feet long, So that's like the weight

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Speaker 2: of your namesake mango, the mango, and about the length

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Speaker 2: of a baguette. You can tell I'm hungry here I'm

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Speaker 2: going with these. So the question is how are they

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Speaker 2: crossing the globe?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's a long way for

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Speaker 1: a baget to swim, right, But I'm guessing the answer.

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Speaker 2: Is surfing exactly. So the theory that's been kicking around

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Speaker 2: since the nineteen seventies, after the time of Gidget, of course,

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Speaker 2: But in twenty sixteen, researchers were able to model this

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Speaker 2: path for c snakes using a computer program that simulates

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Speaker 2: ocean currents. So basically, they took ten thousand virtual snakes,

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Speaker 2: they released them from twenty eight different points on the map,

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Speaker 2: and then they track the path of each group to

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Speaker 2: see where the currents would take them. And you know,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't you know it, the pass led straight to where

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Speaker 2: this snakes have been found in the real world. And

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Speaker 2: here's the wildest part. If the models are accurate, that

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Speaker 2: means that the snakes are clocking distances of nearly six

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Speaker 2: thousand miles or more over the course of their three

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Speaker 2: and a half year lifespans. And for perspective, that would

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Speaker 2: be farther than any other snake species has traveled. It's

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Speaker 2: actually closer to the travel range of something like a whale.

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Speaker 2: And because the yellow bellied snakes can hold their breath

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Speaker 2: underwater for this astounding period of three and a half hours,

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Speaker 2: it actually seems plausible that they surf the waves over

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Speaker 2: from Asia. That's just crazy to me.

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Speaker 1: Three and a half hours underwater is nuts. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you said you were doing something on animals, I

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Speaker 1: was expecting something about surfing dogs, you know, because they

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Speaker 1: have the first image competition in hunting and beach But

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad you owned with snakes instead.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you got to keep people on your toes.

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Speaker 2: So what is your very last fact of the day.

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Speaker 1: So, I think one of the things we often associate

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Speaker 1: with surfing is surf music, right, whether that's when the

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Speaker 1: beach boys who didn't really surf, or things that are

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Speaker 1: a little harder, like the surf rock that plays in

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Speaker 1: the beginning of Pulp Fiction, which, for anyone who hasn't

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Speaker 1: heard it, sort of like pulsing instrumental guitar and heavy reverb,

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Speaker 1: and it's in the opening credits of the movie. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: when I was looking at surf music, I found this

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Speaker 1: article on the New Yorker that I thought was fascinating,

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Speaker 1: and it's titled Dick Dale, the inventor of surf rock,

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Speaker 1: was a Lebanese American kid from Boston.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean, that's like how Hawaiian pizza

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Speaker 2: was invented in Canada by a Greek person, a big,

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Speaker 2: big fan by the way, the Hawaiian pizza.

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Speaker 1: So Dick Dale's the musician who actually plays that pulp

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Speaker 1: fiction song, which is called messr lou I guess. Apparently

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Speaker 1: the musician was born to a family of Lebanese immigrants

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Speaker 1: and his birth name was Richard Monsieur, and he gets

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Speaker 1: a guitar as a kid, but is obsessed with percussion.

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Speaker 1: He loves big band music, so he likes like Buddy

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Speaker 1: rich Gan, Krupa and all. That's a big part of

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Speaker 1: why his music is so rhythmic and so percussive. But

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Speaker 1: in high school, his family does move out to California

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Speaker 1: and he begins to surf and kind of the same

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Speaker 1: way that early skateboarders. I don't know if you've seen

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Speaker 1: these videos, but if you've seen like Dogtown and z Boys,

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Speaker 1: the skateboarders are trying to mimic surfing by reaching down

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Speaker 1: to touch the pavement and they're skimming it with their

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Speaker 1: hands like its water. And early surf musicians are also

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how do you recreate that feeling

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Speaker 1: of surfing with music? So Amanda Petrecich, who wrote that

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Speaker 1: article that The New Yorker puts it this way. Quote,

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Speaker 1: though it is tempting to fold in bands like the

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Speaker 1: Beach Boys, who often sang about surfing, surf rock was

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Speaker 1: wet and gnarly and unconcerned with romance or sweetness. The

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Speaker 1: important part was successfully evincing the sensation of riding atop

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Speaker 1: a rushing crust of water, and to capture something about

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Speaker 1: that experience, which was both tense and glorious. Its biggest

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Speaker 1: question was how do we make this thing sound the

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Speaker 1: way that thing feels, combining recklessness with grace. Anyway, because

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Speaker 1: he is obsessed with percussion, and because he grew up

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Speaker 1: listening to Arabic music and Greek rebetico music, which is

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Speaker 1: sort of like the rebel folk music, He's using scales

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Speaker 1: and tones that are unfamiliar, and he pumps up the

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Speaker 1: reverb on these quick percussive notes and amplifies it at

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Speaker 1: what Amanda Petrosuch says is an indecent volume, and he

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Speaker 1: ends up creating the sound of surf music, which quickly

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Speaker 1: sweeps the nation.

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Speaker 2: I like that. That is, that's a good story, all right. Well,

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Speaker 2: since I picked last week's winner. I feel like this

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Speaker 2: week you'd get to do the honors.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was fifty to fifty. Dylan also won last

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Speaker 1: week's TROPHI so I don't think we can give it

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Speaker 1: to him, but because you did that Mark Twain anecdote,

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Speaker 1: and also SpongeBob, SpongeBob is pretty great, I think I've

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Speaker 1: got to give it to you.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I deserved it this week. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Well, that's it for today's Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 2: I do want to thank Gabe Lucy. It's been a

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Speaker 2: little while he's done so many episodes in the past

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Speaker 2: with us, but Gabe did most of the research for

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Speaker 2: this week's episode, and as Mango mentioned, we've been sitting

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Speaker 2: on some of these links and stories for a while

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Speaker 2: and it's fun to finally be doing the show regularly

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Speaker 2: enough that we remembered we needed to put.

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Speaker 1: It out there.

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Speaker 2: So this was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll be back with a brand new episode next week,

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Speaker 2: but in the meantime, from Mango, Dylan, Mary, and myself,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Part Time Genius is a production of Kaleidoscope and iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: and research by our good pal Mary Philip Sandy. Today's

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Speaker 1: episode was engineered and produced by the wonderful Dylan Fagan

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