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Speaker 1: Why it's with great joy that I welcome you back

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Speaker 1: into Those Amigos. I'm Wilmer Valderrama, and you know the

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Speaker 1: show has started, as you know, these ongoing conversations and

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Speaker 1: getting to know each other, and and in these conversations, uh,

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Speaker 1: we discovered there were individuals along the way that that

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Speaker 1: really kind of marked us, helped us and change us,

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Speaker 1: and also inspired us in many ways. So it's with

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Speaker 1: great joy that I introduced the first ever, the first

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Speaker 1: ever guest yes on on those Amigos. Might be the

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Speaker 1: last one. We'll see, you know, we'll see how this

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Speaker 1: one goes. But we're gonna try this thing, you know, Freddie,

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Speaker 1: I want you to meet so for Grace in the

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Speaker 1: House for Grace legendary, one of the great, one of

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Speaker 1: the legendary.

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Speaker 2: And my thing I was going to do, which I

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Speaker 2: won't do now, was was because I thought it was

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Speaker 2: one of those podcasts were just walk in and start talking.

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Speaker 2: It's clearly not.

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Speaker 1: We're used to be that way, but they asked us

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Speaker 1: to I do the show.

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Speaker 2: I was going to do a whole like like you're

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Speaker 2: from like seventies show, Yes you were great?

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Speaker 1: What did you play? I was? I was on the

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Speaker 1: seventies show were you like we were never seen? Man?

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Speaker 2: Were you recurring or like?

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Speaker 1: What were here? I was like really regular anyways. But

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Speaker 1: but so you guys, haven't you guys haven't met or

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Speaker 1: maybe cross backs.

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Speaker 3: We must have crossed, yeah, yeah in the early two thousands,

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Speaker 3: maybe when we were all out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I love this show. I love what you

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Speaker 2: guys are doing. It's such a thank you, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I feel I feel like such an interloper here. But

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be your first guest.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, and we're so happy to have you man,

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Speaker 1: and and so happy that with some homework. Oh there,

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Speaker 1: she I have paper in my hand.

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Speaker 2: I've never done this before, you know, to help your

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Speaker 2: your listeners just said some experience, like what it's like

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Speaker 2: to be a straight white? Now, how boring we are?

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Speaker 2: I wanted to make this show a little more boring.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely never that. Never that. But starting into it, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of this show over to kind

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Speaker 1: of tell you kind of you know, what they started.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of like this deep dives on like

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Speaker 1: the things that kind of made us.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like, I know, I've listened to it. That's why

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I doing here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, the point is is that you have such an

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Speaker 1: interesting perspective because I really believe very few people in

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Speaker 1: entertainment has achieved what you have, specifically when they were

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Speaker 1: given a responsibility to be a Nan Corona show. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about it, you were talking

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Speaker 1: about it in the past, you know, and I had

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Speaker 1: said that, you know that tofah, Grays have brought up

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Speaker 1: to life Eric Foreman in a way that nobody else

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Speaker 1: Wit Smith, you couldn't think about anyone playing Red right.

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Speaker 1: And I think the idea that at a time time

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Speaker 1: with that. You know. But one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I've always respected, and I've always said, you know aloud

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Speaker 1: it was unexpected, it was unpredictable, and and it kept

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Speaker 1: audiences captivated that a leading character on a sitcom doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be the straight character, like the character that

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Speaker 1: you made something.

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Speaker 2: It is a little bit and I remember on the

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Speaker 2: It was terrible, Like I technically had more lines, but

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Speaker 2: every time Wilmer spoke, the audience would like stand up

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Speaker 2: Couple a couple of misses in a row at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: and like, especially for me, I mean, I never remember,

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Speaker 2: this is your first, your second professional job. I think

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Speaker 1: A Pacific Yah, Pacificos Marginal Pages.

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Speaker 2: Commercially and I had done nothing, So that was that

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Speaker 1: Bit about that because you you were you, you had

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Speaker 1: you were doing theater and oh no, I mean.

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Speaker 2: School. No, I didn't do anything. I'd done high school

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Speaker 2: plays and not even that any and it was a

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Speaker 1: Were you in high school when you got there?

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Speaker 2: I was at a boarding school, which plays a lot.

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Speaker 1: Get into it.

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Speaker 2: Wilman and I have also identical backgrounds, all right. So

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Speaker 2: I was going to a boarding school in New Hampshire

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Speaker 2: and the girl who did the sets, who Wilmer knows, Lindsay.

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Speaker 2: Her parents were these amazing writers who changed all of

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Speaker 2: our lives. They'd written on SNL and then they wrote

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Speaker 2: the Wayne's World movie, Turner, the Brady Bunch movie, which

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Speaker 2: And then they created Third Rock from the Sun, which

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Speaker 2: this is incredible. Her parents just won the Golden Globe

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Speaker 2: for sometimes, Like this is crazy.

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Speaker 2: They saw this play that I did senior year and

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Speaker 2: I had no idea what they meant. You could not

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Speaker 2: We could only do plays. It had no sets, like

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Speaker 2: actually reminded It's funny that you weren't there with me,

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Speaker 2: a year and a half later, but we were just

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Speaker 2: Like the teacher who did it didn't even show up

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Speaker 1: were you thinking that at all? That would you just

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Speaker 1: do it with creationally? Like what was your interest in it? Right?

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Speaker 2: Because I thought it was neat. I mean I did

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Speaker 2: but have I ever really told you this? So Bonnie

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Speaker 2: I'm your friend's mom. I'm I'm Lindsay's mom. I was like,

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Speaker 1: This is how green eye like what it is a headshot?

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Speaker 2: I said, what's it? I said, you know what a

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Speaker 2: it's like a picture that goes with your resume. And

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Speaker 2: when I brought it in, do you know this story? No?

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Speaker 2: I brought it in. It was a piece of paper

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Speaker 2: like this and paper clip to it was a picture

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Speaker 2: of me and my friends at six Flags, like in

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Speaker 3: Six photos the one that you get from Costco and wow,

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Speaker 3: like one that you had like in your photo album.

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Speaker 2: So it was even album. It's just like a photo.

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Speaker 2: I had it, all right, that's me and uh I

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Speaker 2: put it. Uh I put it with the resume that

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Speaker 2: said like you know sun Coast Video like night you know,

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Speaker 2: like night shift Dunkin Donuts.

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Speaker 1: I mean these people. I mean, it's the perfect pitch

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Speaker 1: for Eric Foreman. I mean you really think about it, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: admitted to me that they were like, we're just gonna

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Speaker 2: the job.

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00:20:59,160 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: You know. Absolutely.

436
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 3: It's almost like you guys, I remember watching this like

437
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 3: Beatles documentary and they were just talking about like you

438
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 3: don't you don't realize that they were together when they

439
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 3: were kids and then they went through this experience together

440
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 3: that only they.

441
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: Know what that analogy. I think we were a little

442
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 2: bit bigger than the Beatles.

443
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: I concur what was it like since?

444
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: And I've asked Wilmer this, I think it's just amazing

445
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 3: as as as we always talk about that, that that

446
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: that the layers continue to get uncovered and I get

447
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 3: to learn more about Wilmer through this experience.

448
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: But it's it's.

449
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 3: Dawning more on me how young you two were and

450
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 3: what a special experience it must have been like for

451
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 3: you two. What was it like for you because this

452
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: was the first time you ever really tasted fame on

453
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 3: that level, and you guys.

454
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 4: Were to an extent like you guys are like a

455
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 4: cool like show.

456
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 3: It was almost like must have been like being like

457
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 3: a cool rock band, you know, like that that kind

458
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,239
Speaker 3: of reception and that kind of fame must have been

459
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: real similar, Like how was that for you, especially it being.

460
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: The first time your first show.

461
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 2: Well, Wilmer handled it much better than I did. He's

462
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: he was already you were like famous in your high school.

463
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I was in high school when I yah.

464
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you were like he's just the he is

465
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: a duck to water in terms of like, uh, you're

466
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 2: just one of those you know, like I I feel

467
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: like I have balls when I'm performing, but then when

468
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm kind of a shy guy.

469
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: You're like more reserved in public. I think I'm a

470
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: little bit more jazz hands, you know.

471
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're just the mayor man. I mean,

472
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: you're like, he's he's wonderful to everyone. Like he's the

473
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: way when you're not playing a bad guy, the way

474
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: his characters are nice and open is the way he

475
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 2: is as a person, and it's it's great to be right,

476
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: And that also served for me as kind of a

477
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: learning experience. I remember one thing we like, I've never

478
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 2: been to like parties, even I've been to a couple

479
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: of parties in college, but they were like when you

480
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: had to rush fraternities, so they had to let you

481
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: in and then they're like, no, we don't want you,

482
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: so like I'd never really been out. And then we

483
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: were going to, you know, some of the big clubs

484
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: in the world, you know, because the show was doing well,

485
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: and I remember going to No, I remember going to

486
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 2: a party like in the Hills with you once. This

487
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: is such a good lesson and again, like not a

488
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 2: lesson I would have learned if I was hanging out

489
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: with a bunch of people that were like me, that

490
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: I went to college with or whatever. But we went

491
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: to this party and there was it's probably there were

492
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: no girls there that I liked or something. But I

493
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: didn't think it was fun, Like it wasn't a fun

494
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: group of people, and Wilmer was like dancing with people

495
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 2: and you know, like just making the party better basically. Yeah,

496
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: And I I remember saying like, let's get out of here,

497
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: because anytime I didn't think it was gonna be the

498
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: most fun ever. I was like this, get here, Let's

499
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: go to another thing. And Wilmer goes, why don't we

500
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: just stay here for another three hours? And I was

501
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: like why. You know, He's like, sometimes you got to

502
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: just I don't know exactly what your advice was, but

503
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: it was like, just this is where you are in life,

504
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: like why don't we make this the party kind.

505
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: Of And I was like what?

506
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: And then I realized it was such a valuable lesson

507
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: because we were having fun an hour later, and I

508
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is because of us and whatever.

509
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: I Sometimes I feel like I would have been a

510
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: whole other guy, you know what I mean? Like if

511
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: I hadn't had certain people in my life, probably probably

512
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: much better. Guy.

513
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: So what was it like like as as the show

514
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: began to ascend, you know, you were talking about how

515
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: it was fame wise, but how was it within the

516
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 3: structure of the show did you feel a was it

517
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: just more cohesive?

518
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: Like?

519
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: What was the chemistry like between you all as we

520
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: just went in. Was it just like a cool like

521
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: theater group like it just was?

522
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 4: It grew?

523
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we had such a shorthand, you know, and

524
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: we were getting everything and one two takes one two takes.

525
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 2: I can't believe we have an actor to the other

526
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: in a while, especially nineties show which I did one

527
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: episode up.

528
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we didn't a character to me.

529
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: I went to the taping of Wilmers because I and

530
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: you came to taping Amon, which is great, but.

531
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: We have to yeah, well we have to figure it

532
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: out because.

533
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: Only wait, wait, not even for the friendship element, which

534
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: I would love to be hanging out with you every day,

535
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: but just because it's so rare that you have that

536
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: kind of connection with someone, understands someone that well.

537
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: And artistically like you can build things artistically, you know,

538
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: with when with people that they're not only understand like

539
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: your your strengths, yeah, but also like help you with

540
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: your weaknesses, you know what I mean, Like you're not

541
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: out there swinging by yourself when you're doing these You know,

542
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: sometimes you get into a movie and you know you're

543
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: in the holding everyone's acting, and the people they don't

544
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: even want to run lines, right, they do, they don't

545
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: want to run lines. They don't want to like, you know,

546
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: hit each other off book and you're like, Okay, I

547
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: guess I'm mumbo myself here, right, and then.

548
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 2: You know what you make me? Really remember, I don't

549
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: think I've ever even spoken to anyone about this. I

550
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: think a big part of the first year was being embarrassed.

551
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: That was showing you guys what I was bad at,

552
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 2: and also learning what everyone was bad at, which sounds

553
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: like I was being judgmental, but actually now that I

554
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 2: realized because it was going so well two or three

555
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: years later, that we were all like putting all our

556
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: cards on the table kind of a messy way because

557
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: then you have.

558
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: To write, because that's the only thing that it works. Right.

559
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: What do you mean by bad at what you well?

560
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: Look, look there was let me go through the list

561
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: of what Wilmer's bad at. Do we have enough tape

562
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: in the camera?

563
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: He still remembers. Let it.

564
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 2: No, It's like, actually, that's funny because I actually wouldn't

565
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: know how to vocalize about any of those people what

566
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: they're bad at. I mean, essentially they're all very talented,

567
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: but it's more like, uh no, I would say, like

568
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk to.

569
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: Finish each other's sentences, right, Like, like I think understanding

570
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: the strengths and understanding like.

571
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: What you know strengths it was more important because I

572
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: knew when to pass you the ball when I didn't

573
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 2: know how to do a joke like that. But then

574
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: also I think knowing people's what they're what, it's more

575
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: what they're not comfortable with and what they're probably good at.

576
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: Like probably some of those people were so young, they

577
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: probably have grown to be better at certain things, right,

578
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: But at the time, you know, maybe we thought like

579
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: people are scared to do stuff and you're doing it

580
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 2: from a live audience or tanager.

581
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: You could also fall in the trap of saying like, oh,

582
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: I guess this is how I'm being seen, So this

583
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: is how I need to then I have to do

584
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: that times three, right, and like it's finding the volume

585
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: of like, okay, well, how much is too much when

586
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: I do the thing that I'm supposed to be doing here.

587
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: But I think that's you know, I come full circle

588
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: to this. There was a settleness to our show. It

589
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: almost felt like a single camera we were playing for

590
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: the people at home. And that's very different than a

591
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: lot of the sitcoms that that were happening, you know,

592
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: like the people sitcoms. We're playing the audience sometimes. But

593
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: I think that we learned, you know, you had like

594
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: Bunny and Terry Turner, David trainor who by the way.

595
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look it wasn't I mean, there was. There

596
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: were so many great writers camp that show.

597
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: And I will and I also give David Trainer, our director,

598
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: so much love, respect, emeration and risk, I mean, like

599
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: and just like so much ovation because because you know,

600
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: you have to grab this really raw, talented group of

601
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: young people and you have to mold them into an

602
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: actual mainstream primetime sitcom. And I keep saying it because

603
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: the people who don't remember that day Sunday Night between

604
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: the Seees and some of the X Files. My god,

605
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: the responsibility you had to kind of stitch those two

606
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: shows together. We didn't feel that pressure until like later

607
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: when like Chris Carter and like, since.

608
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: I really hated us, yeah, let us know.

609
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: It was really really let us know that they didn't

610
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: like us.

611
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 3: But how did y'all handle that as a group as

612
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: as like you become like the rock stars of TV?

613
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: Like, how do you handle that as teenagers? As a

614
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 4: as a group.

615
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: Well, it was interesting because for many years as soon

616
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: as the show ended, we will go to jers Delly.

617
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well when there were different groups of friends, but

618
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: Wilma and I would after almost every taping go to

619
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: Jerry's famous.

620
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Deli down the streets.

621
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: Two blocks away. We'd order French toast, and also we

622
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: would have invited some guests because it's like such a

623
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: great thing that you work all week and then you

624
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: kind of take Friday nights. We'd say, like they show

625
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: up at like nine pm to our friend they'd watched

626
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: the last part of the show, and then we'd go

627
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: with our friends to Jerry's and kind of I realized,

628
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: now we're probably kind of coming down from the high

629
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: doing that show and tell their story. I'm sorry, I

630
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: feel like this is the nice photo document that I'm

631
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: getting older because it's like all I want to do

632
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: is reminisce and talk about but I the best part

633
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: I was just driving past uh our old friend's house.

634
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: At Brendan's house. The second year, we were starting to

635
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: be like, all right, we got this, like because you

636
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: get a summer break, and I think during the summer

637
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: break we like digested a little bit like okay, like

638
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: that wasn't so awful, and then when we came back,

639
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: we felt like we had a you know, a little

640
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: bit more of an understanding of what we're doing. It

641
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: was starting to go well, and he'd made friends with

642
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: some guys that were on another show and they kind

643
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: of didn't want to go out and party either or

644
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do with that there.

645
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: They were also like awkward about like a Hollywood party

646
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: or a red carpet. They were just like they were.

647
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: So we started a monopoly group. To answer your question,

648
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: the most possibly it was the game Monopoly. One time

649
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: we bought Triopoly, which is unsanctioned by Parker Brothers. It's

650
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: like it took us ten hours start to finish because

651
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: it was like a layer cake that it was insane.

652
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: But we we would go over and get pizza and

653
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: play Monopoly for six or seven hours and the video

654
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: games and you went, I mean, you go, that's no

655
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: matter what we thought, we were still in that place

656
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: of like what will this experience become? And you go,

657
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: you're having the best time. Yeah, right, And it really

658
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: was like it was it has a cross section with

659
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: really being young and then playing young and then actually

660
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: not being young anymore. But it was like such a

661
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: perfect gold and you knowed it.

662
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, and like listen to answer, you know, that's

663
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: the answer to the question. You know, like how did

664
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: we cope with it? They didn't actually now that we

665
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: ran away with it and ran away from it, we

666
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: kind of just set into like what we were. Yeah,

667
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: and we never and I and I say this, like

668
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: the cast of the show was the coolest cast period.

669
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Like we didn't have to hang out with other people

670
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: to be cool. We didn't care to hang out with

671
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: other people. And we were just like we had each other. Yeah,

672
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: we had each other man and and you know, and

673
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: I and I felt I felt accepted, I feel respected,

674
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, I felt like I had real family, Like

675
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: I have a real brother in him and and I

676
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: felt safe to try and to soar and like and

677
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, they gave me the Jews to be like, oh,

678
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: I can be more than fans after this, right, you know,

679
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: because I would have these conversations and and you know

680
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: we both like, in between the summers, we will find gigs, right,

681
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: we will find movies.

682
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: I remember coming in to see you on Party Monster, Yeah,

683
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: and being like this is different when.

684
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: You come to the summer Catch to the North Carolina.

685
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: I actually flew to North Carolina.

686
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: He came to see me on the set of of

687
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Summer Catch with Freddie Prince Junior, Jessica Biell, and Matthew Lillar.

688
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: I just saw Matthew Lillard the other night, and he's

689
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: just the best reminiscent on that and he's just like

690
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: such a sweet, sweet guy. But he came to visit

691
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: me on the set of of of Summer Catch. And

692
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: we always made a point of like visiting each other

693
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: each other sets and and all that. Like I remember,

694
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: you know, you had gotten the Spider Man movie and.

695
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: You were saying, no need to come, and you showed

696
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: up anyway.

697
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to see this dude. I

698
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: was like, I wanted to see him as Venom, you know,

699
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: And I went to the Sony studios.

700
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that was the first iteration of it, right,

701
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: like yeah, and and I rolled up and he was

702
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: wearing that.

703
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: He was wearing the whole thing, and yeah, Like.

704
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: It was rough because the suit attached to your face.

705
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: So it was like, yeah, it's like pooling on your phone, like, hey,

706
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: how are you?

707
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: What season was? He's like Bull Tax before Bull Tax,

708
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, it's like while you're in there, give me

709
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: a little give me.

710
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: A little lift, a little lift over your here. But

711
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I remember like geeking the hell out. Yeah, I'm like,

712
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm walking walking in to see one of my best

713
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: friends and he's wearing the Venom suit.

714
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: Well, seeing you, I don't. I'm sure you guys have

715
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: a questions in a certain order, But now seeing where

716
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: Wilma is in his career, you go, I mean, I

717
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: don't not to uh speak ill of anyone else's career,

718
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: but the roles that are the really funny, wacky guy

719
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: on a sitcom are especially hard to get out of,

720
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, Like it's a lot

721
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: easier to look at someone who's playing what my character was, Ok,

722
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: I see him in other things, like your role was

723
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: so hyper specific. I did totally support you and think

724
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: you were capable of it, but also thought this is

725
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: gonna be like a very hard journey and watch when

726
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: I see you. For some reason, our TV tunes, we've

727
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: cut the cable, right, so we're only we only watch

728
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: stuff on Paramount Plus or whatever. But when we turn

729
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: on the TV, there's always I don't know what, there's

730
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: some channel that's like on and it's always an ad

731
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: for your show, right, Like I would not design it

732
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: that way. It's a little just because because you're always

733
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: got a gun in someone's face, like my kids are.

734
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: We're about to try to watch Disney or watching him

735
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: do get from point A to point B. That's so like,

736
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: it just hats off to you because I actually think

737
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: that's there's a couple of things that are hard about that,

738
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: but especially that everyone's saying, like, you know, we go

739
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: out and people say do the voice. I was like,

740
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: good luck now this one, like yeah, and you did it.

741
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: Man. I mean it's like I still get it.

742
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: But people are probably now like, yeah, but can he

743
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: do comedy?

744
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: Right?

745
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: Bro? You know what I mean? Yeah? For reals, for reals.

746
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Some people are trying to like, oh, man, come back

747
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: to comedy, like you know, what are you doing? Like

748
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: what are you doing doing drama? Like you should come

749
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: back to comedy. You're funny.

750
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: I mean you can do both, man, you can do both.

751
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could totally do both. But I do love comedy.

752
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: But I think being able to have gone to all

753
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: the different places, I think, what's the most fulfilling thing

754
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: I could have ever done. Yeah, I feel I feel

755
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: very comfortable popping in and out of things. And I

756
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: also feel very comfortable like blending both both of them

757
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: into characters and stuff.

758
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: But but you live by Screech, you look at Oracle,

759
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: you have you know, these roles are like impossible to

760
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: shake off.

761
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, I mean I took a lot of

762
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: inspiration that we were one of the first TV casts.

763
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: I think it was Dawson's Creek and us the first

764
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: cast that during the summer they go do a movie,

765
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: like most TV casts were like they just take the

766
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: right to take the months off because he's a long thing.

767
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: But we were so young, we had the energy. So

768
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: on the summer we would go find gigs. You'd go

769
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: do a movie with Carle Johansson and you know, and

770
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: is that how you knew that the show was really ascending?

771
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: That you all started to get well, it was shifting

772
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: the paradigm on television and film. We're shifting. Films were

773
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: getting smarter understanding that that some TV actors could be

774
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: real estate for actual films and they could say, like, oh,

775
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: they actually are a draw, they actually are in front

776
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: of twenty million people a week. How are we not

777
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: leveraging that? That's why James Vanerviek and Katie Holmes and

778
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: Joshua Jackson, like all of these guys were out there

779
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: doing all these movies.

780
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 2: Whatever happened to Michelle Williams man.

781
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: Work?

782
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: So did she work after that show?

783
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: You what I mean? Williams Like they went out there

784
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: and they'd been a beautiful transition and they go back

785
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: and forth.

786
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: What was the first movie that both of you did

787
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: while you were doing seventy show that made you? That

788
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: made you say that, that made you go?

789
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: I went to see him on Summer Catch That was

790
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: that was my first movie. It was the Summer Catch

791
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: to the Traffic.

792
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that same summer, By the way, Traffic was his

793
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: first movie off the off the show, No Way man.

794
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: But but but I remember, you know what I could

795
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: tell This is so tough because I could tell so

796
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: many stories about you. It's almost like I'd rather you.

797
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: I never talked about my wife and interviews either, because

798
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: I always feel like I'm about to, like I start

799
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: saying my wedding vows like it's people like just relaxed.

800
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: But I feel the same way. I like, too much

801
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: time has gone by.

802
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: But but but it was that.

803
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 2: Alone, just coming to just me going to see Summer Catch.

804
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't even in it.

805
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: It was like an incredible experience. And then I was like, Okay,

806
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: this is how films work. And then I went and

807
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: did a film for the first time.

808
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: It was cool.

809
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 4: You didn't just do a film like your first film

810
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: Out the Gate was with Soderberg.

811
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: That was and what was amazing. I mean, like Wilmer's right,

812
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: the thing that people don't give it credit for. Especially

813
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: this is what I was saying when young people are saying, like,

814
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: wish you could get into films, I'm like, the way

815
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: you should use especially a sitcom, which they don't make

816
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: that much of anymore, is it it's live but it's

817
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: a film. There's filmic elements there's live in front of

818
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: an audience elements, so you're learning both. There's the every

819
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: week element, so when you're bad, you get to come

820
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: right back try it again. And then there's the summer

821
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: where you get to go do something. I was playing

822
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: a crack addict in that movie. And then you get

823
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: to come back to your home base. So you try something,

824
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: you go like what was that, You kind of meditate

825
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: on it for the year while you're in the safe

826
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: role that you know how to play, and then you

827
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: have another summer to try something new. It's the greatest

828
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: kind of boot camp slash graduate school, right, I think.

829
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you were working with Soderberg, was that like

830
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: was there ever a moment when you were like, Oh,

831
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: this is like this is how happening, This is like,

832
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: you know, this is the show that I'm doing has

833
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: led me to this gigantic movie.

834
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: I don't think he was outaware of that seventy show

835
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: at the time, but I do because it'd only been

836
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: on for forty episodes or something, and I don't think

837
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: he watched it. But but but what it what I

838
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: did realize was for me that I didn't want to

839
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: have a career where I was playing the same role

840
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: over and over again, which which is, by the way,

841
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: the way to be a bigger actor or a bigger

842
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: start is if you I mean, I'm I tell my

843
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: agents that they were like, oh cool, like every time

844
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: you'll start from zero. But I actually do think that

845
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: if you want to make money, if you want to

846
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: be a big star, you should you should have the

847
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: same role and you kind of apply it to each film.

848
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: And what I love or what gets me still excited

849
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: about acting, it's been years since we started that show

850
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: is doing something different every single time. I just played

851
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: a just gonna sound like traffic because I played like

852
00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 2: a heroin Dealer.

853
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: But I but you were dealing know these you were

854
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: in No, no, No, I was like the head dealer.

855
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: It's a major come up for sure. I think it's

856
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: an evolution of the same rendition.

857
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's up in the world. But but I but

858
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 2: I love and then I'll go do something.

859
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 1: But which movie you talk about?

860
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: You talk about this is a Netflix show I did,

861
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: which by the way, was in Southport where you did

862
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: Summer catch All. I was teary eyed about that one.

863
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: So cool. Where were where was what you was talking about?

864
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the movie you just say way,

865
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: Mar Welbur No, this.

866
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: Is a Netflix show called The Waterfront where I'm like, oh, yeah,

867
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: but I just got off of a show where I

868
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: was playing a good guy for three years. And it's

869
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: like to me, I don't know how you guys, I

870
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: mean your actors, and probably feel the same way with

871
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 2: your actors, But don't you feel like when you're doing

872
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: different things like that is the like, the the differential

873
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: is what make keeps that spark live. And if you

874
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 2: did the same things over and over again after a while,

875
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: you like, I just feel like I just say I

876
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 2: want to I don't want to do this, or would

877
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: just the work would get bad.

878
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, we we we had this conversation. I

879
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: think that the whole character actor thing is very synonymous

880
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: with our generation, and I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here.

881
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's as important with this newer generation.

882
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: I think when we were coming up, we were coming

883
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: up watching de Niro and Paccino and Hoffman and then

884
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: how they were transforming into these different characters.

885
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: They feel like they were telling stories.

886
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was the thing to do that that

887
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: that that was the way to show how good of

888
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: an actor you wore is to transform and to be

889
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: a character actor, And like, I don't I still see it.

890
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, you know, I just I just

891
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: don't see it as much. I don't feel like the

892
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: importance is as much as actors from our generation.

893
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: I mean, do you disagree? No, you might be right.

894
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't really thought about it. Yeah, I don't

895
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: know any of this. I have three kids, don't know

896
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: what any these young actors are. I know all the

897
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: actors our age and above.

898
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have you ever worked with a cyburb?

899
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: I haven't.

900
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: Now, Oh you love it. I mean it's the I

901
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: was in the moment I was doing it. I was

902
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: sad that it was my first job because I was like,

903
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: I know, I can't fully appreciate this the way I should.

904
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: I mean, he shoots it. He's literally the guy behind

905
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: the camera. He's just all available light. You do like

906
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 2: two takes, you move on. It was we were ahead

907
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: of schedule the whole time. He wants to say some

908
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: of you will just kind of move the camera and

909
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Speaker 2: talk to you.

910
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: And I mean it was like, I mean he's just

911
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: won the Oscar for that, right, Yeah. I mean that

912
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: that movie just swept I remember that. I mean it

913
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: just it's like you hadn't seen anything like that in

914
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: a long time.

915
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: And I think that Erica, Erica became friends with it.

916
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: She came and did the show, became a good friend

917
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Speaker 2: of ours.

918
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Speaker 1: Yeah, who's Who's who? Also had the same passion for

919
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Jerry's DELI.

920
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: You know that's right, you had a lot of Jerry.

921
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: So she shout out to her. And she's doing amazing

922
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: by the way, She's like out there doing amazing shows

923
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: and amazing TV. I think she's on Will Trent right

924
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: now with oh yeah and doing awesome. I bumped into

925
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: her cup like last year, and man, we were reminiscing

926
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: so much.

927
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: She was like seventeen, yeah, like it was, and we're

928
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: doing these scenes where we're like doing, oh whatever, this

929
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: drug is together. It was like a made up drug

930
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: for the movie. But were all that's like freebasing.

931
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah scene. She had this scene in Traffic that was

932
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: so god wrenching and yeah, and she's just because she.

933
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 4: Played Michael Douglas's daughter, right, and he was the head

934
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 4: of the DA right.

935
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Wow, you haven't seen that film in a while.

936
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: What was that like to have like a number one

937
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 4: movie out, a number one TV show and.

938
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Speaker 1: Pretty Oscars the first one out of the bat Oscars movie.

939
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: Like I went to a couple of fun parties because

940
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: of that. I think, how old were you when that

941
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 2: who twenty one or something?

942
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: I mean, like it was twenty one, number one movie,

943
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: number one show.

944
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you know it was work nothing that Wilmore

945
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: didn't come with me too. I remember showing you. I

946
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: had you do a very early screening of Remember You,

947
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: and Laura came and you know what, you know what

948
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I hope this doesn't embarrass you. It's so

949
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: many years since that film came out, Wilmer, this is

950
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: how close we were, And I go, I'm mad. I

951
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: don't even have anyone in my life like this now

952
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: where I said, how was I in that? And he

953
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: told me the one part where I wasn't good and

954
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: you were right, And that's so invaluable as an actor,

955
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like to have something

956
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: like my own manager probably now wouldn't tell me, do.

957
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like you were honestly asking me,

958
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: yeah I wasn't it. I actually want to ask him

959
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: and they just want to just hear, oh you're great,

960
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: you know, but he was trying to figure out you're

961
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: trying to next take, right, Like we had that relationship.

962
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: That's right when you know, like if I do a

963
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: joke on the show and he'd be like, do one more,

964
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, he would have just you know, he was right.

965
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: That's how safe we were with each other. I mean,

966
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: no one who's outside of the industry who's watching this

967
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: would understand, like it's it's a real faux pa if

968
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: someone even just finishes it take and says is that good?

969
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: Like just everyone would say, yeah, great job. Like no

970
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: one would be like, oh dude, like no, but that's

971
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: how safe we were with each other. That you were.

972
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: And that was the first film I've been in, so

973
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: I actually wanted to know, and I was.

974
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: I was really emotional watching you in that movie because

975
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: you see, you know, one of your best friends, you know,

976
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: Slash Brothers, who you're like literally experiencing. By the way,

977
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: by twenty one, we've been doing the show for now

978
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: for two years, so whatever, and like he's on screen,

979
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas, Contheter, Sinta Jones, Don cheetos Mine Benissu, Litoral

980
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: Jacob bargas.

981
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: Jake, He's great, yeah, and I'm like.

982
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: There he is, there are It's like it was just

983
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: really emotional for me because it tells you it's possible,

984
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: right Like also, like you know, I never thought I

985
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: was any different, you know until for so his wins

986
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: were like my wins, bro, Like shit, we're doing it man,

987
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: like that and that and that's something I'll never forget

988
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: because to your point, rarely we have that, you know,

989
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: we rarely have individuals around us that to remind us

990
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: what it was like how it turned out and like

991
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: still be here to see you where you're gonna go next.

992
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: And that's the part where like, you know, you talk

993
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: about getting cornered, like you know, I I live that truth.

994
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: And you know, after so many years in the game,

995
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: we're going on almost thirty years in the game, you

996
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: start thinking about, you know, like who you surround yourself

997
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: with in time does its job on? Like who's not

998
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: supposed to be there anymore?

999
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: Right?

1000
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then one day you look around and like

1001
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: we're still here, right, Like this is there interesting things?

1002
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: I mean the same thing with Freddie. Freddy's also been

1003
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: you know as an actor, you know, to see him

1004
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: work with some of the grades. It's also been you know, emotional, right.

1005
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: We talk about cultural representation, you talk about you know

1006
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: people that played roles.

1007
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: That you're you're a fantastic actor. I mean we just

1008
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: met when I walked in here. But I'm so thrilled

1009
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: to thank you. Hopefully we work together at some point. Man,

1010
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: there's too much gold here, too much, guys, Yes, yes,

1011
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: but in too.

1012
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: So fore you're giving us too much gold Man told

1013
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: him that so rich, so rich when he touched your lips.

1014
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: So this is this is part one. We cover a

1015
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: lot of nostalgia here and all that and excited for

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Speaker 1: for you guys all to experience Part two. I'm Wilmer Valdorama,

1017
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm Freddie Rodriguez, and this is Doosmos.

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Speaker 3: Is a production from w V Sound and iHeartMedia's Michael

1019
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: through That Podcast Network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez and

1020
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: Wilmer of Aaldorama.

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00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 5: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burlon and Sophie Spencer's Abbos.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Wilmer of Aaldorama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson,

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Speaker 3: and Leo Klem at w V Sound.

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Speaker 1: This episode was shot and edited.

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Speaker 5: It by Ryan Posts and mixed by Sean Tracy and

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Speaker 5: features original music by Madison Devenport and Halo boy Our.

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Speaker 3: Cover art photography is by David Avalos and designed by

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Speaker 3: Deny Holtzkau And.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for being here third Amigo today. I appreciate

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00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 5: you guys always listening to those amigos.

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00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: A more podcasts from my Heart, visit the I Heart

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Speaker 3: Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your

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Speaker 3: favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: So you next week