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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: Listener mail This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick.

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Speaker 1: And it's Monday, the day of the week. We read

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Speaker 1: back some messages from the mail bag. Rob if you

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Speaker 1: don't mind, I'm going to kick things off today with

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Speaker 1: this message from Mike, who wrote in previously about weird

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Speaker 1: al and back masking. This was in response to some

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Speaker 1: episodes that you and Seth did while I was out

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Speaker 1: on parental leave. Um that we're about what ald you

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Speaker 1: cover in these I know you talked about like playing

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Speaker 1: records backwards and uh like I guess the Judas Priest

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Speaker 1: rumors and all that. The big topics we covered were

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Speaker 1: playing you know, the back mask gang and playing records backwards,

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Speaker 1: so actual back masked content and then allegations of back

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Speaker 1: masking the idea that oh, you know, the Led Zeppelin

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Speaker 1: song has satanic messages and if you play it backwards,

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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Um. We also talked about all

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Speaker 1: these various tricks you can do in vinyl with the grooves,

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Speaker 1: and uh that that was a whole other interesting area.

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Speaker 1: But also we touched on some other things like having

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Speaker 1: codes in music, um hidden images in musical data, that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing. Anyway, uh So, this message is from Mike,

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Speaker 1: following up on his previous message which we featured. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for reading my letter about weird Al and backmasking.

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Speaker 1: This was the one that mentioned weird Al doing backwards

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Speaker 1: messages such as Satan likes cheese. Whiz Mike says, just

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Speaker 1: follow up with some comments about the song Bob. I

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Speaker 1: saw a weird Al at Carnegie Hall last month, and

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Speaker 1: he told the story of where this song came from.

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Speaker 1: Paraphrasing here. It was two thousand two, a palindrome year,

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Speaker 1: and everyone was obsessed with palindromes. I wondered if I

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Speaker 1: could make a song completely out of palindromes. So I

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Speaker 1: looked up a bunch of palindromes online and when I

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Speaker 1: put all the lyrics together, it was all just basically

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Speaker 1: a random jumble, but it looks like it should mean something.

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Speaker 1: That's when I realized I had written a Bob Dylan song.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a little harsh on Bob Dylan, but

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Speaker 1: but I get what you're saying. I get you a

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Speaker 1: weird Al. Uh So, the song ended up being named Bob,

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Speaker 1: which is another palindrome, and Weird l in his band

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Speaker 1: put together the music as a style parody of Bob Dylan. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then Mike includes a link to the music video

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Speaker 1: as well as the lyrics. And I realized after I

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Speaker 1: looked it up that I had seen this music video before,

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Speaker 1: but I guess it's been a long time. So it's

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Speaker 1: in the style of that that classic film version of

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Speaker 1: Subterranean Homesick Blues where Dylan is like throwing off the

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Speaker 1: Q cards that have like the words from the lyrics

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Speaker 1: in them. And I'm not gonna read all the lyrics

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Speaker 1: of the song, but there are some pretty good ones,

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Speaker 1: So hats off to weird al he uh. He has

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Speaker 1: some like a Madam I'm Adam too who hot to

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Speaker 1: hoo to no lemons? No melon too bad? I hit

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Speaker 1: a boot um. Let's see what were the other good ones?

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Speaker 1: Rise to vote? Sir, do geese God? Do nine men?

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Speaker 1: Interpret nine Men? I nod? Rats Live on No Evil Star?

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Speaker 1: Won't Lovers Revolt? Now? Race Fast Safe Car? Rats Live

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Speaker 1: on No Evil Star is pretty great? Like That's that

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Speaker 1: sounds like it probably should be the title of a

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Speaker 1: of a paperback science fiction novel from the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely agree on one of the all time best Palin drums.

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Speaker 1: Also some of the last ones there was a ufo tofu,

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Speaker 1: we panic in a pew oozy rat in a sanitary zoo.

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Speaker 1: And then the final couplet is is just chef's kiss.

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Speaker 1: It's god a red nugget, a fat egg under a dog,

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Speaker 1: go hang a salami. I'm a lasagna hog. And Mike

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Speaker 1: finishes this message saying thanks, oh well, well thanks make yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is exactly what we're hoping to hear from folks.

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Speaker 1: Even more information about curious songs and hidden meanings, though

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Speaker 1: in this case it's like the hidden meaning is also

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Speaker 1: the straightforward overt me, which is kind of kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: May a moody baby doom a yam alright. This next

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Speaker 1: one comes to us from Neil Neil Rights, and it says,

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Speaker 1: Robin Joe, the discussion on hidden tracks from your play

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Speaker 1: the Record backwards episode reminded me of one from Tools

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Speaker 1: album ten thousand Days. This may be the most complex

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Speaker 1: and creative secret track of all, since it required the

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Speaker 1: explain there are eleven tracks on the CD, but in

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Speaker 1: track three Wings from Marie Part one, immediately followed by

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Speaker 1: track eleven Virginie Thrace Uh. These two songs flow into

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Speaker 1: mind was blown. Thank you for all you do to

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Speaker 1: keep my mind ever blown, yours, etcetera. Neil Uh, didn't

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Speaker 1: the Flaming Lips have an album like this? It was

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Speaker 1: this Zayrika or one of those that the idea was,

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Speaker 1: Um gosh, it's kind of a I think it's more

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Speaker 1: because someone's like, there's a secret track, and you know,

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Speaker 1: like what the idea of the back masking is, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure which way it goes. Isn't it only

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Speaker 1: hidden in plain side. Well, I think that gets a

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Speaker 1: one from Dan. Dan says, hello Robert and Seth. Seth,

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Speaker 1: to your two episodes on Backwards Recordings and I absolutely

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Speaker 1: love them. I share Rob's annoyance with hidden tracks on CDs.

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Speaker 1: I never understood the point of them, as I used

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Speaker 1: Tones album Around the Fur, in which the song Deman

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Speaker 1: Another one says Satan loves Cheese Whiz. Finally, in keeping

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Speaker 1: weird howse cinema trick or Treat a heavy metal sploitation

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Speaker 1: to life by playing his final album back Words. I've

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Speaker 1: I guess that means Ozzy Osbourne has a small acting

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Speaker 1: role as a televangelist, and to a lesser degree, Gene

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Speaker 1: Simmons plays a sleazy radio DJ. That fits. Also, Glenn

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Speaker 1: Morgan and James Wong from The X Files have writing credits.

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Speaker 1: that came up, not so much a secret track, but

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sky Valley from the track Demon Cleaner is awesome,

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Speaker 1: jumping around too much in there. Yeah. Yeah, Black Sabbath's

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