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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. In this episode, we

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Speaker 1: are going to focus on stories in the news that

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Speaker 1: have to do with technology. We have two stories involving

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Speaker 1: AI chat boxed, a lawsuit involving a popular game that

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Speaker 1: many children around the world love, including mine, called Roadblocks,

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Speaker 1: and a robot that is capable of carrying a full

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Speaker 1: term pregnancy. All that and more on today's episode. Let's

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Speaker 1: get started with the AI choto chat I can't.

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Speaker 2: Are you having issues saying I can't?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can't. I can't say it AI chat bots.

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Speaker 2: I was actually listening to another podcast this morning where

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Speaker 2: they said chat box and you just said that too,

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Speaker 2: So I wonder if it's just.

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Speaker 1: Weird and hard.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to say, you know, we've we've talked about this,

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Speaker 2: I think, on this show, but they're it seems to

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Speaker 2: be just based upon some comments I've heard in the

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Speaker 2: gross room and just talking to different people that people

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Speaker 2: talk to AI as if it's like a.

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Speaker 1: Friend or an acquaintance or a person.

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Speaker 2: Oh, a lot of people do. Actually, it's been like, why,

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Speaker 2: like don't people realize that they're talking to a computer.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it's out of loneliness, and

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Speaker 2: then I think some people are just curious to see

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Speaker 2: what it would say when they ask it's her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't question why people are

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Speaker 1: using it. I'm just questioning how their mind is changed

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Speaker 1: that they're not talking to a computer.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get into this story. So back in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, Meta had made this AI chatbot called big

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Speaker 2: sis Billy, which they collaborate with Kendall Jenner to use

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Speaker 2: her likeness on. When this thing came out and I

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Speaker 2: saw the videos, I mean, this was terrifying. It looked

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Speaker 2: exactly like she was talking.

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Speaker 1: Did you when I first talked about that when it

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Speaker 1: came out? Didn't it?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember. Maybe it was when we did Maybe

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Speaker 1: it was when we were doing the podcast in the

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So when this thing came out, I mean

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Speaker 2: I just found it really disturbing. But apparently they stopped

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Speaker 2: using her likeness last year. That's when her contract with them,

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Speaker 2: I guess ended. But at the time I just could

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Speaker 2: not even believe she allowed them to use her likeness

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Speaker 2: for something like this. I just think it's personally can

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Speaker 2: be so dangerous. So anyway, people like you're saying, can

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Speaker 2: interact with this chatbot like you're talking to a friend.

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Speaker 2: So this guy named Bu had been talking to the chatbot,

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Speaker 2: and at some point he was convinced it was a

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Speaker 2: real person. They discussed meeting up, and the chatbot gave

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Speaker 2: it an actual address in New York to meet up at.

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Speaker 2: So this guy goes to meet up with the chatbot,

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Speaker 2: thinking it's a real person, falls down in a parking

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Speaker 2: lot and is pronounced brain did, and then the family

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Speaker 1: I mean, this story, the story is just terribly upsetting

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Speaker 1: that why why is there any kind of way that

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Speaker 2: So in this case, like you were saying earlier, why

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Speaker 2: doesn't somebody know they're not talking to a real person.

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Speaker 2: In this particular case, this man was a stroke victim.

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Speaker 2: So I think we can agree.

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Speaker 1: It's just a little bit more understandable, at least in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we can understand in this case because he

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Speaker 2: supporters of AI are trying to argue that the robot

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Speaker 2: Main Street, but it ended up being a real address.

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Speaker 1: But also, why why is the chatbot giving an address

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Speaker 2: I don't and it was saying it was real, giving

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Speaker 2: So this is an interesting question to bring up too,

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Speaker 1: But like, this is a weird thing.

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Speaker 2: Now we're gonna have to evaluate I guess as a

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Speaker 2: society with these things coming out, because like in theory,

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Speaker 2: it's not a real person, but they're still engaging in

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Speaker 2: the behavior of somebody having an emotional affair, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I guess if you want to peel it back

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Speaker 2: it's still like problematic that that's happening. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: I I don't even know it's And do you want

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Speaker 2: with a chatbot like this? No?

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Speaker 1: But I guess the same could be said about like

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that that argument really holds.

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Speaker 1: Like if a husband, let's say a husband or a

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Speaker 1: That still doesn't make it better, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: No, But if you just want to take that example,

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if it's real or not. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this whole thing is just like really bad. Really think

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Speaker 2: Something is a society we need to start thinking about,

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Speaker 2: it gets they're so they're so smart, and it's so sophisticated,

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Speaker 2: So why can't it figure out that a person's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm just a robot and I'm not real and we

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Speaker 2: there's there's these things that it misses.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's technology, so it's just gonna have misses. But

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Speaker 1: don't you think that with the hit what you say,

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Speaker 1: the AI missing people? Live streaming murders. It picks up

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Speaker 2: Any technology is not perfect, and that's what we have

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Speaker 2: to remember. It's it's not a human Like humans aren't perfect.

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Speaker 2: Technology is not perfect, and technology is designed by humans

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Speaker 2: who are not perfect. So we have to remember that

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Speaker 2: So we have to remember that. That's why the AI

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Speaker 1: I just think that it always goes their way more

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Speaker 2: I think when they're forming these like boards and stuff,

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Speaker 2: at the capability that it's going to outsmart us as humans. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And nobody wants to listen because it's been positive. It's

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of medicine, it's not I guess it's not

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Speaker 2: Another thing that I've been seeing a lot, which is

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Speaker 2: caused you out on it. Using chat bots like chat GPT.

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Speaker 2: a common mispronunciation for medical diagnosis. And in this case,

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Speaker 2: this six year old guy goes on there and asked

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Speaker 2: which is very dangerous to a human to can suit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, they stopped putting it on the market

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Speaker 1: he was displaying that he had paranoia and psychosis. He

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Speaker 1: So after they figured out that he had a rare

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Speaker 1: I hate roadblocks so much, but I'm serious. Every single

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Speaker 1: this false sense of like how good they could look.

436
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: It's it's weird. So like I'm like, obviously I'm not

437
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: going to allow that ever, but and like it's hard

438
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: because you have kids that have friends that have phones

439
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: that they have them, and and like it's very hard

440
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: for to be a parent right now and keep that

441
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: out of their life. But I guess, and Maria's right

442
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: with Roadblocks, So I'm like, obviously I'm an old person.

443
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out how Roadblocks works. But

444
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 1: to me, it seems like people can go on there

445
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: and create their own games and and the kids in

446
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: Roadblocks could play in those games. And I'm telling you,

447
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: when Violet was here a couple of weeks ago, she

448
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: was showing me one that I was kind of like,

449
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't sexual, but it was dark. It was dark,

450
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: like scary dark, like murderous dark. Like the kids were

451
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: able to walk into all of these weird rooms and

452
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: they were like frightened and terrified, like it was weird.

453
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: And I'm kind of like this, this isn't something that

454
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: like little children would like.

455
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't care. And I think, as a

456
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 2: parent who obviously can't monitor your child's activity twenty four

457
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 2: to seven, but you should be checking in once in

458
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: a while instead of just sticking the iPad in front

459
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 2: of your kid and allowing them to have social media

460
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: and everything. There's very minimal steps you can take.

461
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: You you know what's interesting, Actually, Lucio is playing so

462
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: one of the games that's really popular with the Girls

463
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: right now is called Dress to Impress. It's a game

464
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: like Roblox is like a thing that has multiple games

465
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: in it, So this one's called Dress to Impress. And

466
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool because you get to take

467
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: your character and like walk around this room and you

468
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: get to pick like what dress they're wearing and shoes

469
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: and change their hair color and all. And then there's

470
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: like a runway show and you get to like show

471
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: your outfit and then they the kids get to vote

472
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: on which one you like the best, and there's a

473
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: winner and stuff like that, and I was like, Okay,

474
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: that's cool. So she did something with her avatar and

475
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: was like in that game, and she said, what do

476
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: you think about this outfit? And she showed it to

477
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: me and I was like, oh my god.

478
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: It was like it looked like, to me, like Sabrina

479
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: Carpenter sexy with like a garter, like laying on a couch, yeah,

480
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: like her leg guard.

481
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, I don't like that, dude,

482
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: And she was like why, Like it looks like Sabrina

483
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: Carpenter and I'm like, yeah, like no, that position is weird,

484
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: for like, you don't need to lay like that as

485
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: a character right now, you're like a little kid, because

486
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: that character is supposed to be like you dressing up.

487
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: And I just was like, this is weird. And I mean, like,

488
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: luckily they show me stuff when when they think things

489
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: are unusual. But I'm sure they come across stuff that

490
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: they don't show me because they're scared that I'll be like,

491
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: get this f off of your your iPad right now. Whatever.

492
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: But I'm sure Lillian wood miss it's inappropriate. Yeah, And

493
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: I'm glad they have their watching each other. It's just

494
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: for for me as a parent, Like the amount of

495
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: time they want to play on this game with their friends.

496
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: I just couldn't really sit there with them the whole

497
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: time and watch them. No, And I'm not saying it

498
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: should do that, but I'm saying, like, we know people

499
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: that have given a ten year old their own cell

500
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: phone with their own TikTok accounts and their own Snapchat accounts,

501
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: and the kids are totally unmonitored. Yeah, and that is

502
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: not advice, Yeah exactly, But I mean epstein.

503
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying epstein because I see that in my notes here.

504
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: Let let me tell you some of the name the

505
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: user names so and which I think this is why

506
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: I always think that that they're actually against you in

507
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: a way. Because Lucia, so Lucia like her. Her new

508
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: word of the day is sharp. She thinks it's like

509
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: the funniest word, right, even though it's it's not really new.

510
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: And I tried to so she got in a fight

511
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: because Lillian tried to make some username that had the

512
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: word shart in it and Lubert was like, no, that's

513
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: my name, and I was like, oh, you own the

514
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: word shart. I was just like bessing with her, right,

515
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: So I tried to create a username that was that

516
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: was at I owned the word shart, and it wouldn't

517
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: let me. It was said it was inappropriate. Right now,

518
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: listen to some of these usernames that people are using

519
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: with different spelling. I Groom underscore minors. This other one

520
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: is rape wait, rape it but spelled with a V

521
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: in the middle. Yeah, rape with a B spelled in

522
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: the middle. Rape tiny kids. Like that's user names on

523
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: on roadblocks right now.

524
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: And another one was at Earl Brian Bradley, which is

525
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: a reference to a specific pedophile who raped and molested

526
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: hundreds of children.

527
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah like that and that to me is just kind

528
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: of like, okay, so it does pick up it recognized

529
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: that the word shart was completely inappropriate, like God forbid

530
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: a kid hears about a ship fart. But but you're

531
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: letting this on there, you know, So no, I mean,

532
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: they clear the way around it.

533
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: They have the resources to make the technology to make

534
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: it better, and they're choosing not to.

535
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Okay.

536
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: China has developed the world's first pregnancy robot that's able

537
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: to carry a baby to term and deliver it.

538
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: All right, So my opinion with this is that this

539
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: is going to happen very soon because clearly they're able

540
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: to do it, and they're going to push it out soon,

541
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: and there's it's going to take your you know, you're

542
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: going to have all these negative things associated with it,

543
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: and then it's going to take years for them to

544
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: come up with some kind of legislation to regulate it.

545
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 1: I mean, this could just God knows how bad this

546
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: can get. I just think it's terrible, honestly, I really do.

547
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's been met with a lot of

548
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: ethical concerns of course. Well, and then you have to

549
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: worry about if it's going to produce a healthy baby,

550
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: if a baby's going to have any issues.

551
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: They were not specific.

552
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: About exactly how the baby gets to be inside of

553
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: the robot. I mean, we assume it's going to be

554
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: in that a similar process to IVF, but like, do

555
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: they start the baby in. I know they're developing artificial

556
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: wounds and stuff, so.

557
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: I could see them being able to mechanically grow a

558
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: child inside of a uterus. I'm just I'm concerned about

559
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: like the whole immunity aspect. I don't even know how

560
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: they would possibly mimic that. But I'm also concerned that

561
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: there's never ever been a history of a person, a

562
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: human being born outside of some mother, even if it's

563
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: the shittiest mother ever, there's a human being that, when

564
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: that child's brain is developing, is bonding to another human individual.

565
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: Now you're going to take that out of the equation,

566
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: and this child that's born isn't going to start bonding

567
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: until their brain is formed to forty plus weeks gestation.

568
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: That's their first interaction with a human and the bond.

569
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: Have they done a human trial yet or they're just

570
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: saying they know it has contential to do this.

571
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: They've done it with other with an animal. I think

572
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: they get like a sheep or a lamb or something,

573
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: putting it in some kind of a bag or artificial

574
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: wound or something like that. But they're like, the thing

575
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: is is that once you try to do a human child,

576
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: then like you've done it, and that that person's life is,

577
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: that person's life matters. And well you first that you're

578
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: bringing a child into the world that didn't even have

579
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: say over that, and then well.

580
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: No child has said to being brought in the world,

581
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: So if you want to really get into that argument,

582
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: My problem with this is they're saying it's a tool

583
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: to help tackle infertility because they've seen reports that suggest

584
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: that infertility in China rose from eleven point nine percent

585
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven to eighteen percent and twenty twenty.

586
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: I think today we can all agree that infertility rates

587
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: are through the roof. And my problem with this is

588
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: they're spending all this time and resources and money developing

589
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: this robot to artificially grow babies outside of a human body.

590
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: But why are we not looking into the reason that

591
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: infertility is so hi, I'm sure it's due to environmental changes,

592
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: what we're eating in our foods. Why are we not

593
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: looking at the source instead of trying to fix the problems, you.

594
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: Know, they're just trying to bypass the problem.

595
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this with the Amish story as well,

596
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: like with citing that all these things we have, like

597
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: allergy medicine and Hiler's all these things just to manage

598
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: the problem, but they're not curing the problem. So why

599
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 2: don't we figure out what's causing the mass infertility problem

600
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: we're having as a world in the world right now,

601
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: And instead of trying to make like a robot that

602
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: could potentially cause all these other problems, why don't we

603
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: try to take those same resources and fix it.

604
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't imagine this. Like I like

605
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: the idea of this to an extent, because there are

606
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: so many moms that like have a miscarriage at twenty

607
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: weeks and the baby just can't live. It's too It

608
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: would be nice if there was a way to artificially

609
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: kind of incubate it until I mean, they do have

610
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: it for a little bit further along, but even earlier on.

611
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: But I just I just think it's messing with things

612
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: a little bit too much at that point, And like

613
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: we could use every example of this back to Jurassic

614
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Park and and like really like scientists have have a

615
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: lot of responsibility and and you can even consider a

616
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: scientist to be like a computer scientist, right, you have

617
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: responsibility to be like you don't have to do every

618
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: single thing that you think is possible, because more is

619
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: not always better. You don't have to do it. Just

620
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: because you can do this doesn't mean you have to

621
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: do it.

622
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: I think this is a horrible idea. I don't see

623
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: how this is going to be a positive, positive thing in.

624
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: The world, and and and like I just think it's

625
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: because they're gonna do it eventually. And I don't think

626
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: it's fair for that kid that's being born into that

627
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: situation that that doesn't like having having an emotional bond

628
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: to a person and how that brain and I don't

629
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: know about the brain development and all that stuff and

630
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: how important that is, but I'm sure it's very important,

631
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: very And to think about having a child born until

632
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: like a clinic like that, like what if they have

633
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: problems growing older and growing attachments to people and they

634
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: never bond and like like that's people like end up

635
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: being like Brian Coberger and stuff that just like don't

636
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: have any feelings. I don't so you can't use Yeah,

637
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand that, but like, we don't need

638
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: to bring more people in the world that are like

639
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: disconnected from that. I don't I don't know what that

640
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: There has to be all of these studies of the

641
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: impact of the maternal bond with a child, even if

642
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: that mom ends up giving up the baby, Like there

643
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: there has to be some part of that. I just

644
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: feel like, I know, a while ago, we had reported

645
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: on they were doing, like, you know, manipulating embryos that

646
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: have blue eyes, right, if you wanted a baby with

647
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: blue eyes, Like, I'm one hundred percent against that. Like

648
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: you're just messing with too much stuff. Yeah, that's all

649
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: I feel too.

650
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: Why don't we just try to solve infertility instead of

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