1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: The Sportsman's Nation podcast network is brought to you by 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: on x hunt, bringing you the best GPS mapping software 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: directly to your smartphone or desktop. On x offers you 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: the ability to see property boundaries, mark way points, track 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: your location, and so much more. Visit on x maps 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: dot com or you can download it directly from your 7 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: app store today. Save off of your purchase by using 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the code Nation twenty at checkout. That's capital in Nation 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: followed by the number twenty. My name is Clay Nukeleman. 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: also be your host into the world of hunting the 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: icon of the North American wilderness Prepare. We'll talk about tactics, 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: gear conservation. We will also bring you into some of 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: the wildest country on the planet chasing bare. This week 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 1: we are out in western North Carolina and again we're 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: with Mr Roy Clark, but this time he's got two 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: of his good hunting buddies, Ira Jones and Ronnie Bateman, 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: and we're talking about hound hunting in the Apple Achians 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: for bear with Hounds. We get into a lot about 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: hound breeding. We also talk about some of the trends 21 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: that these guys are seeing in the hound world. But 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: we also talk about the relationships built and how they 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: couldn't have done what they had done if it hadn't 24 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: been for the strong relationships and alliances that they've built 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: together inside of breeding bear dogs. Super great conversation. We 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: also at the very end we talked to Mr Gerald Jones, 27 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: Irah's father, who's soon to be eighty years old, and 28 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: he talks about the good old days of bear hunting 29 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: with hounds, back before they had GPS, back before they 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: had any technology at also support them. This is a 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: rich podcast. You're gonna enjoy this conversation. I want to 32 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: talk about our buddies at the Western Bear Foundation. This 33 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: is a nonprofit hunting conservation organization representing the bear hunters 34 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: out West. Great organization funded by memberships. 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The tops of the mountains are covered 54 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: in fog, and you can hear the vane of probably hounds. 55 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: We look up the mountain through a beautiful green lawn, 56 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: up through this little hollow, and you see what many 57 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: mountain bear hunters have seen for their entire lives, and 58 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: that is a pack of bear dogs, young and old, 59 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: and pups and old retired dogs and dogs that are 60 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: in their prime, and young dogs that have yet to 61 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: even be hunted. That's what it takes to have a 62 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: pack of bear dogs. Is you've gotta have a lot. 63 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: And I'm with Ira Jones and Roy Clark as they 64 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: just stroll through feeding in water and the dogs and 65 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about everyone and if somebody decided they didn't 66 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: ate them, and I don't argue with that. And I'll 67 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: show you my favorite color. Well, my favorite color is 68 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: similar to this female right here or that dog right there, 69 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: call out, Roy described it beast, And the more I 70 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: look at it, I like them. They're a black dog 71 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: at King Yalls. But you get right up to them, 72 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: you start seeing that brillan streaking. But if you're looking 73 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: at any dish and say this cold black that's like him, 74 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: you just you you gotta get at least we're worried 75 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: here to start seeing that brand a lot, but at 76 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: any disk and say, look is really our n No, 77 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: but it's pretty color. It's just what you did. It's 78 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: just what you've got a lot up. Yeah, he's buckskin 79 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: dogs pots. I can I can redist now? Yeah you 80 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: what up until this year you couldn't rest a buckskin? 81 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: So he was but is that right? Yeah? I mean 82 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: that dog is is is buckskin? Yeah, I've got one 83 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: up your understone. I get a few a long now 84 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't. Why come, I don't know 85 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: why I can't call that dog is a bird dog. 86 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: He was good, he was We used him. I tell you, yeah. 87 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: What he's like cooker. They're about nine going on team. 88 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: That's Hooker's litter making. You know. Wow, the hooker was 89 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: one of your top dogs. There's one in that person. Yeah, 90 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: Jesus did anybody? And uh? And he was good. I 91 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: tell you he had a lot degree and he got 92 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: hurt of him. You look good in that headsets kad 93 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: I do too. I like it so good I won't 94 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: get a picture of it. Yeah, there you go. Now 95 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: you look like a pot. Yeah all right, we didn't 96 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: even have a warm bro am my other pilot or 97 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: the co pilot. I'll bet co pilot. You just head 98 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: through Yonder. So we are in uh we in Silva, 99 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: North Carolina. Yeah, pretty much Silva proper outside of it 100 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, we're actually on Barker's Creek, North Carolina. 101 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: That's a Barker's Great North Carolina, Western North Carolina. We're 102 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: how far away from the Tennessee line, h well, quarter much? 103 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: While you go and one the crow flies probably third 104 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: of miles, and you found gap thirty miles. Yes, and 105 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about road travel now, you know, not 106 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: so much the way the crow flies, but it's not 107 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: all that miserable for it. It's like Roy told you earlier, 108 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: he drove you and him drove basically around the park 109 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: to get here. Park's a big place, and Smokey Mountain 110 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: National Park. That's right. So you've you drove a whole 111 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: lot to get here, just circling you know, the south 112 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: skirtch and we probably didn't circle over a third of it, 113 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: that's right. It goes way down in Bloe Robinsville into 114 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: Tennessee down there, and that going towards what is that 115 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: Ronnie Sweetwater Country down that Yeah, you know, yeah, it's well, 116 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: let me introduce who, um who I'm with today. We 117 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: are at Gerald Jones House where with Ira Jones. I've 118 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: got Ira Jones at my two o'clock and I've got 119 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: Mr Roy Clark at twelve o'clock sitting directly in front 120 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: of me, and then we've got Ronnie Bateman over here 121 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: at about eleven thirty, and then we've got Mr Gerald Jones. 122 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: And now I've got Shephard Nukem right here to my 123 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: right as well. And I told these guys I wanted 124 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: to drive out here and talk about bear hunting and 125 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: Appalachian Mountains. I figure you boys are about as good 126 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: as any to tell me about it. Would you guys agree? 127 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: We've done a lot of hunt and that's for sure that. Yeah, 128 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: we've done our Shara hunting. I agree with that. Our 129 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: wives would tell you that too, I'm sure. Well we 130 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: put their dues and yeah, yeah, yeah. How long have 131 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: you three been hunting together? Twenty years? Wrong? Something like something? 132 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: What are you thinking like that? I've known Roy. I've 133 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: known Arab before I hunted with him, But I've known 134 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: Roy probably twenty five years, yeah, something like it. It 135 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: might have been a little longer than that, because I 136 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: was trying to figure that up a while back and 137 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't. Never we never, We don't know exactly. Yeah, 138 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: I guess we know each other before I brought rail 139 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: little here. Oh yes, yeah, you that that was after 140 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: i'd moved from Topton to nana Hala. Yeah, before we've 141 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: done there. Yeah. M So the way that the way 142 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: that I know you guys, and you you guys can 143 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: define your relationship better. Is that, uh, is that you 144 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: guys are all plot men and uh and have done 145 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: some dog breeding together. And see you've all got you've 146 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: all got lots of bear dogs and uh and have 147 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: done some breeding together. Um. Now, Ira, you're your father 148 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: got started hunting back in the fifties. Yeah, that's great. 149 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: What you tell me a little bit his history. Well, 150 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: they grew up right down the road here, probably about 151 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: a mile and um, we've always been here on the creek, 152 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: I guess you might say. And uh, he's dead hunted. 153 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: And they had they had bought dolls and other dollars 154 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: as well, uh, back for the restaurant. And before and 155 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: what I mean by that, before they restured the plot, 156 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: which it would have been nineteen, is that run recognized 157 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: and they food with a lot of dolls. He did 158 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: coming into it. It was just a brindle of color 159 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: and and you know, and and and before the restaurant 160 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: wasn't that big a deal. I guess you know how 161 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: pure there was and uh, you know, and then that 162 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: that becomes the you know, the goal. But dad got 163 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: in it, and uh, you know, and uh and tuck off. 164 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd tell you the same thing. Kind of 165 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: grew up around dials and hunting and and all, and 166 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to get raised in it as well. 167 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: And uh so yeah, we go back. I think the 168 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: first two restaurant dolls we had is was in sixty 169 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: three and sixty five. I actually still have their papers 170 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: in here in the bedroom before. We keep our our 171 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: hunting papers, and we just wanted to keep those and 172 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: did and uh, um you know that. Uh they actually 173 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: those dogs come from over in Haywood County off the 174 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: Plot family, and one of them come from the female 175 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: come from down in States Full North Carolina fell down 176 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: every by name of Tom White. He had the Yakin 177 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Valley bloodline. And my grandpa was done our working and 178 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: uh he picked that female up and I'm just a 179 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: pub and that kind of kicked him off in the 180 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: Plot dolls. And then Charles Gent was a common denominator 181 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: with Dad and Roy, and I remember going to Mr 182 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: Gantz in the seventies. I we kept papers on dollars 183 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: in the year that we picked up or he picked 184 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: up I was born sixty one. I've we got papers 185 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: going back around seventy to Charles Is and uh, you 186 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: know we uh you know, vested over there, and you know, 187 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: and and and heard a lot about Roy. I find 188 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: it's really interesting and and I love tell Roy about it. 189 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know, hu Uh, I'd hear a lot 190 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: about Roy, but I never I never had privileged to 191 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: meet him, and I knew he had good dogs and 192 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: and kind of the way I've always been. And I 193 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: don't I'll tell us from all, but well, if if 194 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: they's a good hunter after there, I kind of want 195 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: in on it. And I consider both these men good hunters, 196 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: and they're good breeders and and and I need in 197 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: on it. Says something good going on one in on 198 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: it and uh and and men Ronney, we're good friends. 199 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: We knew each other, we we've hunted together. We're around 200 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: each other probably our whole hunt in life. And and 201 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: in the later years we kind of got to gather 202 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: and hunting and had a wonderful time. But we hunted together. 203 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: Had a lot of respect for him then and and 204 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: I knew what he was doing, and he actually hooked 205 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: me up with Roy. And the first time I went 206 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: over Roy was there's snow on the ground. I never 207 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: would forget that. And and got just a wonderful visit 208 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: and have to meet him and his wife, and uh, 209 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: you know I need to eighties. Yeah, let's see your 210 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. It's probably the late eighties, round two, 211 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: round the nineties back point maybe fifteen twenty, right, and 212 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: there may have been more around let's see here, what 213 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: may've been more round two thousand something like that. Because 214 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: I got hooked up with Roy and uh uh you 215 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: know we've we've done some things since and read some 216 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: and you've done the article here recently on those two dollars, 217 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: both those dogs who let us have. I found it interesting, 218 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: the Harvey dog in the Max dog. I can show 219 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: you their papers. They go back just a little bit 220 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: into the blue ridge stuff that uh s Ledwards I 221 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: think had, and they go back to what my dad, 222 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: my grandpa had, and that's on paper. We can trace 223 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: set back that for I love the papers about that 224 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: would kind of see where they go to. And uh 225 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: and I like those dollars. They were good dogs. I 226 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: lost both of them, and uh uh they were. Roy 227 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: was women when I lost Harvey, and then Ronnie was 228 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: women when we lost Max, and uh uh you know 229 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: they were they were they were good, good dogs too 230 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: you said something to me, Uh one time, you said 231 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: that back when you were a kid, to be a 232 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: bear hunter in this part of the world was really 233 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: a term of notoriety, and it described that to me. Well, 234 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: let me say this first. I was raised by by 235 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: a hunter, so you know, that's who we were. It 236 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: might have been a little bison. Uh. But but in 237 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: in these mountains, and and and I truly believe this, Uh, 238 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: of all the hunters had a lot of good people, 239 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot of good hunters. A lot of people never 240 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: went a bar hunt. Don't make them bad people. Uh, 241 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: but the bear hunt was a big deal. You know, 242 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: it's always been a big deal in southern Appolatan and uh, 243 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, whether you're in Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, Virginia. 244 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a big deal. And those people that 245 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: were good at it, those of us that was wanting 246 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: to be good at we looked up to him and 247 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: and they were a lot of good hunters. These mounds 248 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: full of good hunters. They don't all hunt plots. That's 249 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: our choice, you know, that's our preferred choice. But as 250 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: far as uh, they've been a lot of good hunters 251 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: in these mounds down through the ages, and and we 252 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: were Dad and I and an old family friend orvil nations. 253 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: He's going on now he's passed away. And we've done 254 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot through the seventies, uh, you know, after I 255 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: got up ten years old. So they've just done a 256 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: lot of visting. You know. We'd go places, you know, 257 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: visit with different people, some of the plot family, the 258 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: Charles gent over there many times, and and different folks 259 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: and uh uh you know, and that that was that 260 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: was that was interesting to mate, It really was. So 261 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: as a young man, you all would just travel around 262 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: and yeah, talk to him. I wouldn't take nothing for 263 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: those times. So those fronts, I think even in and 264 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: you know I mentioned this to you before, don't overlook 265 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: how much time you expand with somebody that knows what 266 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: they're doing. And and those sports times was valuable. And 267 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: not that I remember everything said or even agree with everything. 268 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: You should probably use a lot more of that than 269 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: you realize today, even stuff you don't consciously remember. You know, 270 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: there's a there's a level of we use this word 271 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: in the podcast a few weeks ago, impartation. You know, 272 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you just catch something from somebody that you even 273 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: hard to articulate, you know, or you catching appreciation for something, 274 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: and probably what you saw and those guys was just 275 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: a deep appreciation for the dogs and for the hunt. 276 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to be a bar hunter, that's for sure. 277 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever accomplished it, and I 278 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: have been on a lot of hunts, but I wanted 279 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: to be one anyway. I was challenged one time a 280 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: gentleman and I and I really like this, and he 281 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: explained why he said what he said. He told me 282 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: he said it was he said, there's a lot of 283 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: people can breed dogs. He said there's people out there 284 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: that's into that, and we're talking about any color. And 285 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: he said there's some good hunters out there too. He 286 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: said there's some folks out there that that kill a 287 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: lot of game. And he said they don't really breede 288 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: a lot. They'd depend more on well they can get 289 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: from other people or buy or whatever, but they're deadly 290 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: in the woods. And he said there's not been a 291 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: lot of people has been able to do both, be 292 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,359 Speaker 1: able to really breed and be successful there. And and 293 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: and I really, I guess pondered on that a whole lot. 294 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: I've never forgot that, and that's just kind of been 295 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: a challenge to me. And you know, and and that's 296 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: why I associate with like I told you in the 297 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: kitchen while go it's I guess that everybody here today, 298 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: I probably blest more than anybody I grew up. And 299 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: not that these guys didn't. They did as well, both 300 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: of them did. I know him and I know their 301 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: story and all. But just to have some of the 302 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: friends and be accepted in these groups, I can't. You know, 303 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: it's you know, an honor and uh, you know, and 304 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: to try to contribute what I can and all, but 305 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, you you wan't associate with good 306 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: people in this spoort, you know, right? I did anyway, 307 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's what I wanted to do. You do 308 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: you guys? Uh? With what he just said, does that 309 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: ring true with you? That there's there's some people that 310 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: are good dog breeders and some people that are really 311 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: great hunters. But to get both of those things, it's 312 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: pretty difficult. Yeah. Yeah, I chase that track I chached partly, right, 313 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: but then they sign that by our hunch, it never 314 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: learns what or they never learned either. One well shorter 315 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: they're by killers. They're not Yeah, that's what they are. 316 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: Other their killers, they're not hunters. I think there's a difference. Yeah, 317 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: some people they just want to kill the buyer. They 318 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: don't care what the dogs youre doing. Most I wouldn't 319 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: care if they did shoot it all or too long. 320 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: But now the dogs is more important to us than 321 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: the killing the bar and some people are killing. Some 322 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: people are hunters. And even Shamus got dogs that I 323 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: don't know. Shama chined their whole life and they still 324 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't know a whole lot about it. They don't learn. 325 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: When the dog knows more than you do, then you 326 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: ain't learned a lot. That's what I think. You go 327 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: real smart dog one. Yeah that's pretty good, Yeah, I 328 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: or what do you think it takes to you know? 329 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: I've been trying to pry out of Mr Roy today, um, 330 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: just some of his knowledge about breeding dogs, because I 331 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: think I think for sure Mr Roy is a good 332 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: dog breeder, and I know that you're a good dog breeder. 333 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: What do you what if you could distill down your 334 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: dog breeding philosophy into just a concise, you know, paragraph, 335 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: what would you say? I don't like doing paragraph or 336 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: lot I don't. But no, if you were starting from 337 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: scratch with somebody that didn't know anything about bare dogs, 338 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: I mean, because I'll tell you what I've learned. You 339 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: guys are starting with families of dogs. They're not just 340 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: picking dogs from all over the country, random dog because 341 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: they think it looks pretty. And once you know, I mean, 342 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: you're you're sticking with these tight family lines of dogs 343 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,239 Speaker 1: that have generations of dogs that are doing what you 344 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: want done. And I think that's a big part of 345 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: it right there is you know, I had a fell 346 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: tell me one time, and I love this thought right here, 347 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: he said, And don't miss us. This is a pretty 348 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: deep thought. He said. Breeding really wasn't that complicated, but 349 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: he said the problem was a lot of people just 350 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: didn't have nothing to breed. Z wrote to zero, weequals 351 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: and I don't you know, I don't mean that, you know, 352 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: defend anybody, but uh, I think to breed the better. 353 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: Your better odds of having a dog that that all 354 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: do decent for you is if you've got if it's 355 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: bred to do that. I'm and you know, if if 356 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: you truly have a generations of bar dogs poured into 357 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: a dog, I like my chances better now. Uh. I 358 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: know that these people out there that go other routes, 359 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: you know a lot of times they'll look for a 360 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: dog that's uh maybe didn't quite make it in the 361 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: com dog world, and they make great bar dogs and 362 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: they have no history of bar dog behind them. I've 363 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: known that dog's that's a common dog. Uh. You'll see 364 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: a lot of that. But I think when you get 365 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: into breeding and you want results and and it's all 366 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: about percentages when you get into breeding. Anybody can put 367 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: a dog on a female. Uh, but what you're looking 368 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: at is end result or they are the are the 369 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: trainable dog. I mean, they don't all make great dolls. 370 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: We're always wanting a better dog. Everybody here in the room, 371 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: and like have better dog, wonder the god or the 372 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 1: better one and the best than they ever had. And 373 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: that's what ever hunters should strive for. But you know, 374 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: you look at your percentages. I had a gentleman tell 375 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: me one time, and uh, who lives in the areas breeding, 376 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: And he asked me what the percentages was, and and 377 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: percentage of of a dog that's gonna make it to 378 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: your qualification, Well, make it into it, make it into 379 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: a decent dog, just a hunt up, you know, usual hand. 380 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: Uh and and you know, and maybe he was talking 381 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: a little more in in terms of a great dog. 382 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: He said he was hitting about one out of forty, 383 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: and I thought, man, that didn't good at all, you know. 384 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if I had to raise forty pups to 385 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: get one that I really you know, now now may 386 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: be a great hand. Well, that may be good odds, 387 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, if you're looking at maybe a great, 388 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: great super dog that just done everything. But I like her. 389 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: Percentages of dolls that start. We don't have to go 390 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: through a lot of dolls. Some of them don't make it, 391 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: some of them, but they give you something to work with, 392 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: you know. I think that's interesting to think about, is 393 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: that as good as dogs, as as you guys have, 394 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: there are still some that don't make I think that's 395 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: fascinating from a from a breeding perspective. Number one, it 396 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: indicates a high standard, not and not just that you 397 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: guys would have, but that if you're putting a dog 398 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: on a big ame animal, which a black bear is 399 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: the toughest arguably, but I think most people would agree 400 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: the toughest big game animal in North America to tree 401 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: with a hound. Would you guys say that most people 402 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: would believe that. I would think so. I mean harder 403 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: than a mountain line, and there's a dry ground. You know, 404 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: there's a few, there's variables. But but so even with 405 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: top notch strains of bear dogs, you're gonna have a 406 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: literate ten pups. And you're hoping that seven of those pups, 407 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: I don't know, would would turn out to be dogs 408 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: that you hunt for their whole life because they're good 409 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: enough to ride in your truck and and and contribute. 410 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: We we hit some numbers like that. At times. They 411 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: don't lie all now, I mean that ain't persistent. I 412 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: tell you something I heard one time, and I love this. 413 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: I was thinking today, I didn't have any idea what 414 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: you know, we might talk about and how the conversation go. 415 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: And I just kind of reminisced in my mind. And 416 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: and uh, we were hunting in in Hyde County. It's 417 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: been some time ago. It's probably twin any twenty five 418 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: years ago, and uh, I might be a little off 419 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: phone and happen it's been quite a while. And uh, 420 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: they used to have a North Carolina State University would 421 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: take a that clinic down there, and they would take 422 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: their students down there. This is this is a good story. 423 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: To give me a minute here, and uh, they would 424 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: take these graduate vests. It was fixing a graduate graduate 425 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: and and they would they would be in that area, 426 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, for opening weeks. There's a lot of big 427 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: bars down Earns and that was get beat up, a 428 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: little long, cut up, whatever. And it give those vets 429 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: small opportunity and that they didn't get in the classroom. 430 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: And and and they've done it very cheap. It was 431 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: good work and they've done it very cheap. Well we 432 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: went we you know, we take advantage of that if 433 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: we had anything and needed a you know a little attention. 434 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: So uh, but we were down there in this particular 435 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: year and they were some military vests down there, and 436 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: I happen to have a dog and needed some attention. 437 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: And and one of these military vets worked on my 438 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: dog in that clinic, and he was really interested in 439 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: what we was doing, you know, And so you know, 440 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting to him a little bit about and he 441 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: asked me, he said, do you care if I take 442 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: along the more? And I said, I don't mind it all. 443 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: And I checked some of the other guys, and everybody 444 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: was fine with it. So we let this gentleman go 445 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: and had a good hunt with him. And he did, 446 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: he participated, just fell right in there and just a 447 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: big part of things and and all and and but 448 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: I got I got acquainted with him, and we we 449 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: kind of stayed in contact after that. And and my 450 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: mind went to work in, you know, on this and 451 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: and and I said, you're a military vet. What do 452 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: you do He said, of work with dollars, that's what 453 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: I do. And he said, these bomb dolls and stuff 454 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: of that nature right there. He said, they're very valuable 455 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: to the troops. And he said, you know, and this 456 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: is about that desert storm area or or a part 457 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: of you know, of time and and all that was 458 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: going on over in that part of the world. And 459 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: he said, these dolls, he said, there that we deal with. 460 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: He said, they're trained to go in and iff at 461 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: these bombs and so on and so forth. And boy, 462 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: and my mind went to really race and then and 463 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, well, what do y'all use? 464 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: And he said, well, we use the Germans shepherds mostly. 465 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: He said, the vast majority of what we use is 466 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: a German shepherd. So I asked him the next question. 467 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: I said, would you raise you dolls? Or how do 468 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: you get these dolls? He said, we do both, I 469 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: mean very quick and in his answers he said we 470 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: do both. He said we we go to Germany. Actually 471 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: said nobody does it like the Germans. And he said, well, 472 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: we'll send people over there and they'll buy dolls, green 473 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: dolls from these camels. And he said, then we raise some. 474 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: And I asked him. I said, okay, I said, what's 475 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: the percentages of what you raise that actually make it 476 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: a pretty quick answer he said pretty close to ten percent. 477 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: And I said and I said, okay, what about what 478 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: you buy? You know, what you go by. That's this 479 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: green at a year old? And now they know some skill, 480 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: you know that they know some commands, but they don't 481 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: they're not trying. And he said, well it goes up 482 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: a little, you know, by thirty. But that's done in 483 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: the raisins, done in over You know, you're going in 484 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: at a year old picking the best of the bunch. 485 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: You know, you're really at the literary year old ex 486 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: weeks sold. But I begin to ponder on that, and 487 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: I thought, well, look, thirty percent is better than ten percent. 488 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: And I can't believe that only ten percent of what 489 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: you're doing is working. And then he began to explain 490 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: to him, said you're not getting it though. He said, 491 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: there's a vast majority of these dolls gouil to law 492 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: enforcement in different places and do special things, but they 493 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: just don't do the whole thing. He said, when I 494 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: say ten percent, I'm talking about complete. And he said 495 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: they'll they'll go in front of a troop, you know. 496 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: And he said they don't miss nothing, no matter what 497 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: kind of gunfire, no matter what goes on. That always 498 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: stayed focused all the way through it. And he said, 499 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: about ten percent is all we get. I'm thinking that's 500 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: pretty good. Then when he explained it, I mean, we're 501 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: not talking about nine dud's and ten percent started. We're 502 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: ten percent finished towns verse or shepherds if you will, 503 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: military dolls, uh verse, you know. And and I used 504 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: all that in my mind to kind of, you know, 505 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: they kept up a percentagees percentage of a big and 506 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: he explained the German thing, and he said, those folks 507 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: done a phenomenal job with the raising some of those 508 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: bloodlines is really good. And he said we actually send 509 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: people over there that will go through kennels and fool 510 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: with dogs and look at character and nature and personality 511 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: and by this one and by that one, and they're 512 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: pretty good at you know, and they bring them back 513 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: with a higher percent of what they could actually put 514 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: in a battlefield situation. But there, you know, they've got 515 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: a lot more money in them. And and you know, 516 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: I thought about that, and and that kind of kicked 517 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: me off looking at percentages and our dogs and what 518 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing, you know, not so much what these guys 519 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: are doing, but what I'm doing. You know, Am I 520 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: getting any horse with this saying? And I am I 521 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: getting results out of it? And and there's some dogs 522 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: hard to get that ten percent dog is very hard 523 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: to get even and what we're doing as far as 524 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: ten percent being good, you know, and all but uh, 525 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: you know you and that's what he explained. He said, 526 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: Are you are you saying that, um that even even 527 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: inside of your dogs there would be would you say that? 528 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: Are you saying that seventy of your dogs are are 529 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: making that or not? Not at not at that top level. No, No, 530 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: You're saying the percentage is probably pretty good to have 531 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: become top not you've done real well. You've done real well. 532 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: And what I'm talking about their way all where I do, 533 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: I'll speak for me. I don't want a gentleman speak 534 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: and and and tell you about their stuff. But uh, 535 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: you know that that trail doll, that number one doll, 536 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: that dog you rely on, depend on, just like the 537 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: hook er female. You're talking about those kinds of hard 538 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: replaced and then you've got dollars is coming on. They contribute. 539 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: Maybe they don't trail a lick, but they're good finished dolls. 540 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: Uh you know, we're you know, and you have dollars 541 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: that you can work and keep and utilize. But you know, 542 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: maybe there's an areas you turn them up and not 543 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: you if you could, if it was possible. But those 544 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: few those dogs, though, yeah, yeah, if you just have 545 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: some of those, well you ain't gonna have fake many 546 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: dollars if you're looking for them top ones. I mean 547 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: we're looking for them all the time. But if that's 548 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: all we would have, well certainly our feeble would go down. 549 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: So inside of a bar pack maybe for somebody that's listening, 550 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of guys listen to this that 551 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: that probably don't hunt with bare hounds, is that you 552 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: need a lot of you need a lot of skills 553 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,479 Speaker 1: inside of a bare dog. Some dogs are gonna have 554 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: traits that are you know, you might have a real 555 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: good trail dog, but maybe he's not as fast, but 556 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: he can smell an old track and get started. And 557 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: then maybe you've got some dogs that are super fast 558 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: but aren't able to grub out a really old track. 559 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: And so you've got this pack that's got a lot 560 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: of dogs with a lot of different characteristics, and you're 561 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: just trying to build a good pack. And then the 562 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: phenomenal dog, even inside of really great bloodlines, is one 563 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: that can just do it all. I mean, And that's 564 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: a pretty phenomenal dog, is that right? Yeah, that's the 565 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: goal every one of us here, anybody listening at bar 566 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: hunts that shall go. I don't care what color they're 567 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: hunting or or what they're into. That's what we're looking for. 568 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: That that's you know, and and many have them and 569 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: and I and it's good when we got them in 570 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: all and stuff and h and all. But you know what, 571 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: then you've got your standards for the rest of the group. 572 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: You know, you deal with that one, do you gotta 573 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: have it, you're striving to have it. Ain't always got it, 574 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: but you want to have it. And then you're looking 575 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: at the rest of your dolls that you know it's 576 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: not quite there. Then maybe they don't do the jumping 577 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: or the rigging or the hard running or whatever. But 578 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, you you you know there's a level, there's 579 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: a standard there too that you know you want to Now, 580 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: can you get some phenomenal dogs out of two buy 581 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: your standards average good dogs? It's possible. It's the blood 582 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: and how the jeans cross and and nobody if anybody 583 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: could could know how that would turn out, you could. 584 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: You can turn them out like pancakes. So it's like 585 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: inside of this bloodline, there's this potential that these dogs 586 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: have and every now and then it's gonna come out 587 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: just right where you're gonna have a phenomenal dog. But 588 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: you may just have a good dog by your standards 589 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: that you keep, but two generations from now you might 590 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: get another phenomenal one, is right exactly. Yeah, Yeah, that 591 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: can happen. That's kind of the way it works, really, Yeah, 592 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: And it's gruling. Now we've we've talked. It seems like 593 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: sometimes that you can't keep from breeding the better dog 594 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: to the better dogs. I mean, it's just you just 595 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: can't keep from doing it. But out of some of 596 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: the dogs that I've had, they've got good dogs and 597 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: their ancestors. I'm not saying they wasn't good dogs, but 598 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: they wasn't the dog that they produced. But you get 599 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: up at the top level and it seems like the 600 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: best of the best you will produce the best. You 601 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean they really so you can you can 602 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: take your just two phenomenal dogs, and it doesn't always 603 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: make a great cross. Yeah, I don't where do you 604 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: usually get the best cross? I mean, is there a trailer? 605 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: In my opinion, you don't actually know that that when 606 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: you cross and and do get that you just looked 607 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: up and got it. In my opinion, Uh, and that 608 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: and I've seen better dogs come out of mediocre dogs. 609 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: And I have a number one dollars that's right. Really, 610 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't understand. And just because they've got that good 611 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: bloody in them, maybe they got the same blood is 612 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: this number one dogs over here? Maybe they're litter right 613 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: that that number one dog go bare? But this and 614 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: over here all thought the best pubs and steps, and 615 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: you don't know that unless you breed you. But I've 616 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: seen that your lifespan is not long enough to try 617 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: all of it. That's why you that's why you you 618 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: use the best. You can't, I mean, it's just hard 619 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: to keep from it using the best. But that doesn't 620 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: this sort of mean that's where the top dogs gonna 621 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: come from. Well, you just keep on trying to get 622 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: the best, to get the best and buried damn dogs 623 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: and try to go on. But once you get so 624 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: high to the best, and you've hunted your whole life, 625 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: like he has, I have grown he has too, and 626 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: I've come to believe that I owned the best that 627 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: that they could get. I'm talking about my goodness. I 628 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: don't know how they feel about their goods or having 629 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: on it feels about his goods, but I just felt 630 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: like that's as good as they get. They don't come 631 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: no better. But but you keep it, trying to go 632 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: up and go up. But they gets to a point 633 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: when you ain't going up no more. Yeah, and you 634 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: ain't got no way to go and chip downhill or 635 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: hold you on one tather And that's pretty hard. You 636 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: can't hold you. If you could hold your own. Yeah, 637 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: by breathing two good dogs. If you could, if you 638 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: could out of every litteral pups, if you had the 639 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: great dog, and you you think we'll have this litter pups, 640 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: I'll get one great dog that doesn't happen it, don't worry, 641 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm it no, and and and then you may that 642 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: one great dog you get hit may come out a 643 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: letter you don't even well, I'll just refer back to powder. 644 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: But now she turned out to be a good So 645 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't know about the other tabe. But you you 646 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna cap. But but with reading them, 647 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: dogs are the same pretty well bloodline. Instead, you can 648 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: get one out of a mediocre just as good as 649 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: you can get out of good. But the thing that's 650 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: for sure is that you've got to attach strongly into 651 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: a line of dogs that is doing what you want 652 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: dogs to do. That's what I believe. And then you 653 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: just gotta you just gotta dog good dogs. I think 654 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: it's possible to take. And I've even heard about him. 655 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: I didn't exactly hunt the dog, but I've heard a 656 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: good dogs, a good dog coming out of dogs that absolute. 657 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: It did not lock byar. But this one dog did. 658 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: But when you went trying to get pups out of that, 659 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: they never got anything. Yeah, so i'd be breathing out 660 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: the line down the line. You don't get a dog, 661 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: that's why you want to That's why you want to 662 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: string the dogs behind him that that has run fire 663 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: and don't get on fire. Yeah, and you're forcing it 664 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: just gonna be a lot better. Yeah, yeah, well, you 665 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: know we maybe I should have started off here. But 666 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: what makes a good bear dog? What? What are what 667 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: are qualities that you're looking for in a bare dog? 668 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: And I heard somebody say one time, and I liked it, 669 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's true, but I liked 670 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: what they said. They said that a bare dog, of 671 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: all the animals that are bred, like race horses, border collies, pigs, 672 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, whatever, whatever we're breeding, you're trying to get 673 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: a more unique and exhaustive list of traits out of 674 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: a bear dog than anything. Again, I don't know if 675 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: it's true, but I like the sound of it, because 676 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: you gotta have you gotta have a dog with uh 677 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: that that contrail, gotta have anything incredible nose, it's got 678 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: to be athletic. I mean the toughest. And I'm putting 679 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: words in you guy's mouth, but I kind of want 680 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: to prove, you know, say, at this point, this dog 681 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: has gotta be extremely athletic to pursue the toughest big 682 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: game animal in North America to tree. He's gotta he's 683 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: gotta have grit. He can't be afraid of a bear. 684 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know there there's this list. He's gotta 685 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: have good feet, he's got to be able to run 686 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: thirty miles in a day, potentially chasing a bear. Um. 687 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: But even inside of all those qualifications, there's these different 688 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: strains have strengths and weaknesses. But are to you what 689 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: what what do you want in a in a bear dog? Well? 690 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: You you pretty well unable to right there. I think, Uh, 691 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: you know you want all the dog you get in 692 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: in your dogs, and you're just hoping you want to 693 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: pop out a little above average. And uh you know 694 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: you you want good personality? You want I was it 695 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: can get along with each other. I want I get 696 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: along with people. Uh you you prefers fast starters if 697 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: you can get them, and uh, you know stamming is 698 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: a huge thing, and certainly knows that's very desirable I 699 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: don't care what part of the country honey in. It 700 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: seems like every hunter and I talked to knows is 701 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: you know is, you know is is highly respected in 702 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: the far hunt and certainly gotta have grit. You ain't 703 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: gonna do no goof gub bust cowards. You know, uh, 704 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: you know, I don't care what else they do. Good 705 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: if they quit every time to get up on it 706 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: wants to be a little orangery, well you you know, 707 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: you've got to deal with that. But that that so 708 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: what happens is these dogs are chasing a bear, and 709 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: one out of every forebears or ten bears, some percentage 710 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: in bears isn't gonna run up a tree, but they're 711 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: gonna turn and want to fight the dogs or bluff 712 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: the dogs. And a lot of dogs that's where they 713 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: get broken from being a bear dog. M I writing, 714 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they'll they'll be afraid of a bear and 715 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: it can run them forever, and so that they're in lies. 716 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: I guess the first test of a young dog because 717 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: Willie stay on a bear on the ground. And obviously 718 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: you guys don't want dogs that are trying to you 719 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: Gotta put enough pressure on the bear to make it 720 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: run up a tree or make it stop, but not 721 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: so much that the dog gets hurt. But so I 722 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: just wanted to explain that because in you know, in 723 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: coon hunting or in you know, some of the running 724 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: dog sports, uh, that's not something that happens. And that 725 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: seems to me to be the tipping point of these 726 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: bear dogs, as they've got to have just the right 727 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: amount of grip. Too much they'll get hurt. Not enough, 728 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: and they don't make them a bet. If ain't got 729 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: enough shense to learn did a viru you know when 730 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: you hunt them at a bar can hurt him. And 731 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: if they ain't gonna stay back and work a bar, 732 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 1: if they're just gonna go in and get hurt every 733 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: time you turn them loose, then you you don't even 734 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: need that diwal. It's not something you can work with, no, 735 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: because if it's you're gonna stay tied up. If it's 736 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 1: you're gonna take it one day you're hunting, and then 737 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: you're gonna leave it tied up for six weeks, and 738 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 1: then the next time you take it to hunting, she's 739 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 1: gonna be tied up for another six weeks. And all 740 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: you buy huntings gone and you that don't done you 741 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: a bit of good all you've done spend money on it? Yeah, yeah, 742 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: but you've got to have enough nerve for him to 743 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: learn to work with. What's the what's the word that 744 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: you guys used to describe a gritty dog? Well, in 745 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: my opinion, I wanted to get as closer to barrel 746 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: lady and and barcadic good and and give when he 747 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: has to and and take when he can. That that 748 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: would be my part. Well, I what I wanted to 749 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: hear you say was nervy. I hear you guys say 750 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: that nervy. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's a 751 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: phrase that a lot of people use across the country. 752 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: I like it. I think it's a nervy dog. I 753 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: heard you say that, Mr Roy, gritty nervy. I want 754 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: you to get this man on Mike a little bit 755 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: more here, interrogate him now, what do you mean whatever? 756 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: You want to just tire lootionthing, hold on going on 757 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: and I'm just listening. I'm learned it, still learning well. 758 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: I actually interrupted on when we were talking about the 759 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: traits of the bear dog pops from questions. Shut guy 760 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: right there, Son, he's from He's from Nana Halley Gorge 761 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: over there, and I'd say the best fire hunter in 762 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: that country. So he can answer some questions. Yeah, that's 763 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: that's that's saying a mouthful running, that's getting up our 764 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: big man. How long have you been bear hunting? Running? 765 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 1: I just sense about the eighties, nineteen eighties something like that. Yeah, uh, 766 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: what do you see? We had coon dogs. I honted 767 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: on My Life, had dogs on the life, and like 768 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: ir said, at that time, they're wanting you rich for 769 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: dogs in the country. If he's a brittle dog, it 770 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: was a plot. If his red he's a red bone. 771 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: If he's a black and tan, he's a black and tan, 772 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: and that what he had. Any nobody know. But we 773 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: have brittle dogs that we coon hunting. That's kind of 774 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: what got me storted on plots and it's pretty much 775 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: water pagan. Yeah. Um did you now do you live 776 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: in Georgia and North Carolina? North Carolina? Yeah? Okay, okay, 777 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: And uh did you get started with the kind of 778 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: some of these uh same dogs as Mr Roy had 779 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: when you got in? No? No, not exactly. No, I didn't. Uh, 780 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: I didn't have the same dogs that really had. I 781 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: guess we started breeding dogs. I can't exactly remember when, 782 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: but I guess the first time we bred an he 783 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: was probably when I bread hook or to smudd, Well 784 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: you should have bread that real tailor or whatever was 785 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: did you just bread hard shot real tail I don't 786 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 1: even remember that. What's your name? Had? Yeah? They had 787 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: that to uh well that guy hit them dog me 788 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: here's bloody m You know about the Dolings, Yeah, dollars. 789 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: Didn't you just breed wanted them become up a hook? 790 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: Or didn't you? We bread in the Walt Stances dog, 791 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: Chris did it? Yeah, brandyn't spread that for that to 792 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: get Brandy? You pies in in the in the Dolings 793 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,919 Speaker 1: dog and we got Brandy. Then he bread it yeah yeah. 794 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: And the pyesman was the dog that I had at 795 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: the time. What here's a kind of a broad question 796 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: about the general state of bear hunting in this part 797 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: of the world. What do you think is happening inside 798 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: of um, inside of the sport from a positive or 799 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: a negative standpoint that could jeopardize or or help, Like 800 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: what what's what's your perspective on the sport of bear 801 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: hunting in the Southern Appalachian Mountains. I'd say in the 802 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: Appalachian Mountains that we would want nose more so than 803 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: a lot of Now what I'm ask you, I'm changing 804 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: the subject totally. What about I'm talking about in the 805 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: sport as a whole, like even from a perspective of 806 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: like young guys getting into it, or like lack of 807 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: hunter recruitment or or or problems inside the sport, not 808 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: even with dogs. Yeah, I'm switching to topics without telling you. Um, 809 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: just you guys with your experience and and kind of 810 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: thinking of it, even from the sense of preservation of 811 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: the hound sports in this part of the world and 812 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,479 Speaker 1: even the country. Um, it's a hard sport. And uh, 813 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 1: young people there are very few young people that likes 814 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: it good enough. It's kind of like the dogs licking 815 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: the barn. They don't like the sport good enough. And 816 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: when our Ruey and I we were younger, there was 817 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: a mini bar and I know we've walked every day 818 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: for a week to find a bar track and uh, 819 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: I think there's more buyer now. I think they probably 820 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: agree than what what we grew up with. And that 821 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: is one reason in the perspective that they've got in 822 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: it and what we dealt with at that time. I 823 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: can't think of anybody that would do it. Yeah, I 824 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: mean it's it's got easier because there's more buyer and uh, 825 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean, but that's made less people be interested in it. 826 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 1: Do you think it's just a hard sport? I mean, 827 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,720 Speaker 1: even even if you've got buyer, it's still a hard sport. 828 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's a demanding sport that you've 829 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: It's just like you stoked about the dog. It's gotta 830 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: be athletic, you gotta be physical. You've got to have 831 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,919 Speaker 1: the desire to get there and to do this, which 832 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: everybody's got a different part and barer hunt and some 833 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: people likes to the main thing is shooting the buyer 834 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: and uh, some people they like to hear the race 835 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: and my part of it, I'd rather i'd drave the 836 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: trail the buyer. That's that's what I enjoy. So everybody's 837 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 1: got different things, and a lot of the younger people 838 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: it's not what they want to do, it's they will. 839 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: They stand back and want you to take care of 840 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: everything and then we'll kill the bar and then we're 841 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: bar hunters. Well, like I said, there's bar killers, and 842 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: there's bar hunters and there's not there's not many, not 843 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,800 Speaker 1: many young people right now that's involved on this board. Yeah. 844 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: Especially do you think people would have said that back 845 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: when you guys were kids? I know, uh you and 846 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: Arab are Mr Roy is a little bit older. But 847 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think people were saying that back 848 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: when you were a kid? I mean, is it is? It? Is? It? 849 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: Are there less hunters now than there were? They're less 850 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: recruitment now than there was more. That's probably more hunting, Dan, 851 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: but you I chepe your tug baiting and the and 852 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: the gpsh is and that kind of stuff away from 853 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 1: it may be a way less at mine. Yeah. Yeah, 854 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,839 Speaker 1: So you think there's more hunters, yeah, don't you. I'd 855 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: say there's more. I believe there's more people out there. Yeah, 856 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: but but there they weren't the Killa barn O true hunters. 857 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: There's probably less true hunters draft there than it was. 858 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: And when you by that, you mean guys that have 859 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: just dedicated their lives hunting hounds. I don't don't ask 860 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: me why you want to do this, So, I mean 861 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: it's beyond me why you want to do it. I mean, 862 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,240 Speaker 1: it's just something that's hard about it, Ronnie something because 863 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: people don't understand. I understand people don't understand what what 864 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: you know? The common Uh, this is what blows my mind. 865 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: And I go to bat for bear hunting with the 866 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: hounds every day of my life and what inside of 867 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: what I do, I really do and I don't even 868 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: have bare dogs. Um, people think that hunting with hounds 869 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: is lazy. M hm, tell him why it's not. Let 870 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: him take our factor, let them follow him. That's I've 871 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: heard guys say there's nothing to it. Said, you've got 872 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: a full wheel drive truck, a radio and the GPS said, 873 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: what what is there to it? And I said, well, 874 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: I said, you can quit your job. I said, we 875 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,320 Speaker 1: turned loosing after a buyar. You can take a picture 876 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: of the buyer. Everybody can take a picture off. I'll 877 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: give you a thousand dollars. Everyone you don't take a 878 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: picture of you, give me a thousand dollars. I said, 879 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: fair deal. Well, he said, I already don't care about 880 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: taking a picture of a buyar. No, it's uh, everybody 881 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: thinks it is a lazy sport. You're if they see 882 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: somebody along the road and there has to be somebody 883 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: along the road, keep the dogs away from the road 884 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: and all that, But they don't think about the miles 885 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: that you've walked in order to get there, and uphill 886 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: downhill and these mountains there there there's some there's some 887 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: rough places in him, and there's not there's not a 888 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: lot of people like said, I mean, it's just a 889 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: horrid spoke Ronnish country and maybe turning no show on 890 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: the bar. And maybe you if you want to father it, 891 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,399 Speaker 1: you won't see the road. You might see some road 892 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: behind gage, but you may not see a road that 893 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,840 Speaker 1: you can drive on till a racious done over with 894 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: done done and over with done, got dark on your 895 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: whatever you don't killed it or whatever, and you still 896 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: ain't seen no road see a road you drive vehicle on. Yeah, well, 897 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,760 Speaker 1: I can tell you some of the toughest best woodsman 898 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: I've ever met in all my travels have been bear hunters. 899 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: Bear hunting with bear hunters, the hounds, I mean the 900 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,280 Speaker 1: three sixty five day a year dedication to these dogs. Um. 901 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: You know, one of the first times I ever bear 902 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,240 Speaker 1: hunted with the hounds was in West Virginia. Um and uh, 903 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: dogs got treed a mile away and we were up 904 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 1: on top of this road and I was with some 905 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: guys that did this every day, and they said, well, 906 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: let's go those dogs. And I said, We're just gonna 907 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 1: go straight to him. And they looked at me like 908 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 1: I was crazy, and they were like, well, what are 909 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,160 Speaker 1: the way is there to get there? And it blew 910 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,399 Speaker 1: my mind that we were just going to dive off 911 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: in that hollow and go up to the side of 912 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: the mountain to those dogs. I mean, you know, I 913 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: was like and I wasn't afraid of it. I had 914 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,360 Speaker 1: loved it, but it just I was like, you're kidding. 915 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: And then when I hunted with Mr Roy in Um, 916 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,920 Speaker 1: when we made that video which as of yesterday broke 917 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: half a million views on YouTube? Did you know that 918 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: Mr Roy half a million views? Five hundred thousand people 919 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: watch that video? Um, it was Do you remember when 920 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 1: we me and uh Alvin walked to those dogs, one 921 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,400 Speaker 1: of the dogs that was off down in a valley. 922 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: You you've done it a thousand times, you wouldn't even remember. 923 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: But we took off in the dark, walking one and 924 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: a half miles to to a dog, and I mean 925 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: there's not I mean, it just took you guys do 926 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff all the time, retrieving dogs, and 927 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it just takes some toughness to do this. 928 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 1: But you've done been on a pretty good journey that day. Yeah, yeah, 929 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 1: I had that day. We've done kill two virus and 930 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: that's going to getting them two dogs off. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 931 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: it takes a dedication of a lifetime to be a 932 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: bare houndsman. I mean, it really does. And uh, and 933 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: people a lot of times people don't understand that at all, 934 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,760 Speaker 1: but it's just because they they've never done it, you know. Uh, 935 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: you said something to me earlier about what I like 936 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: about you guys, and there's other people too that are 937 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: this way. But inside of any any kind of sport 938 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: or hunting where there's the possibility to compare one to another, 939 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: sometimes you get a lot of ego, and especially when 940 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: it comes to dogs. And it's probably any kind of dogs. 941 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: I mean, and probably if we were bird dog men, 942 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,880 Speaker 1: and you know, there would be jealousy inside the bird 943 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: dog world whatever. But are you described these guys real well? 944 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 1: And then you were describing yourself too as uh, just 945 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,040 Speaker 1: being selfless with no agenda. Can you repeat what you 946 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: told me earlier? Well, I'll try to. You know, I 947 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 1: don't remember exactly how we how we got to where 948 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: we was at while ago, but it's a you know, 949 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,440 Speaker 1: in bar hunting, I felt told us this one time, 950 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: and I really agree with him. He said, so there's 951 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 1: a lot of prestigi and only a good dog. And 952 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: in the bar hunting world, you've done something when you 953 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: have that dog and he's truly good, and everybody knows 954 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of prestige and it and prestige 955 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 1: has just spent af of pride and when you know, 956 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: when we get that going and it kind of you know, 957 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: it creates you know, sometimes it's you know, just a 958 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,800 Speaker 1: little friction I guess you might say between other groups 959 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 1: and maybe other people and and all and uh uh 960 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: and that's the comment I made about these guys. We're 961 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,040 Speaker 1: not you know that that's not our issue. We're good 962 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: friends and you know we you know, our common goals 963 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: by hunt have a good time to produce a decent 964 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: dog and as we can, and uh you know, and 965 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: there's no there's no agenda. We're not you know, trying 966 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: to We don't have anything you know that that that's 967 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,000 Speaker 1: that's under that it to um, and you're not. You're 968 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,279 Speaker 1: not in competition with each other. You guys are you 969 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,839 Speaker 1: guys are rooting for now. I'm gonna say that sure 970 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 1: nine of the buyer hunters are though, right, I mean 971 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: it's unreal. Yeah, I like what ron said this to men. 972 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: Oh and we've talked about this a lot, Clay and 973 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,359 Speaker 1: it U and I want to make this point. If 974 00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,720 Speaker 1: we don't make anything else today, I wanted to share 975 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 1: this week where I'm at in it. I think the 976 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,879 Speaker 1: opportunity that I have and I hope I can help 977 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 1: these guys. Uh, and the essay have to weigh in 978 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: on that. But um our our breeding and what we're doing. 979 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: I really like where we're at. The biggest deal today 980 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 1: you ask Ronny question while going and maybe I didn't 981 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,360 Speaker 1: interpret it right. I don't know, but uh, you know 982 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 1: I got the thinking when you ask that question about 983 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: hunting today. You know the changes of today. Well, the 984 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: big deal today is a cost of things. You know, 985 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: vet bills are outrageous. It used to be we had 986 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: local vets at orders, getting old dog cut up something, 987 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: you know a little bit by bar hall, just a 988 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: few bucks and you're out of the door. Good medicine good. Now, 989 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean if you get a dollar hurt, it's big money. 990 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean now, I mean we're talking about a lot 991 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,280 Speaker 1: of money. We're talking about big money in our feed. 992 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,279 Speaker 1: And the thing is you've gotta understand. All three of 993 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,479 Speaker 1: us setting here, we will feed will average from fift 994 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 1: twenty dollars apiece. And you've seen mine, You've seen Roy's, 995 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,280 Speaker 1: and Ronnie's is just like them, and uh and about 996 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: the same number. Now what what's really unique here is 997 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: we trust each other. And Ronnie may raise a gang 998 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: of pubs. I don't have to. I may get a 999 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: pup off of. We may try some things. We may 1000 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 1: hear about something you know, we want to try with 1001 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: us my ideas or something. I may try something. You know, 1002 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: have a gang of pups they get, you know, they 1003 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,360 Speaker 1: get pup. Roy likewise, takes good care of and that 1004 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,120 Speaker 1: helps us a whole lot progress. And I and I 1005 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 1: think looking at at at Hunters today, if I sit 1006 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,760 Speaker 1: in the breed and I'm just gonna do it myself 1007 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,439 Speaker 1: my way, forget everybody else, they ain't enough of money 1008 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,759 Speaker 1: and enough of time for me to do that. I'd 1009 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,960 Speaker 1: have to have fifty head of dolls up there because 1010 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,719 Speaker 1: you you you you've got older dolls, you've you don't 1011 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,840 Speaker 1: want to get rid of. You got dolls are still active. 1012 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: You've got you know, young dolls coming on. Letters of 1013 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: pups coming you even men. Roy was talking up there 1014 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,880 Speaker 1: a while ago about I was telling them about an 1015 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 1: opportunity I had. A friend of mine was gonna want 1016 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,040 Speaker 1: me as female. And I don't need pups right now, 1017 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: but I'm afraid of maybe losing that opportunity if he 1018 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: loses that female. So sometimes we're making crosses when we 1019 00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,320 Speaker 1: don't even need pups, you know. And and it's really 1020 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,040 Speaker 1: I see good results of it. I really do so. 1021 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 1: And the relationship that you guys have is leverage and 1022 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,880 Speaker 1: the whole all of your success, I think so, I 1023 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,279 Speaker 1: mean it is mine. I think so. On several occasions, 1024 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,840 Speaker 1: like a litter of pups. If I get one or 1025 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 1: one or two and he's two or three and Ronny's 1026 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 1: one or two or whatever, you get to see it 1027 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,239 Speaker 1: and that's how you really know what. Yeah, and they 1028 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,360 Speaker 1: actually get a chance to do some something to it. 1029 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,040 Speaker 1: Ain't there put some more more? They ain't tratt or something, 1030 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,240 Speaker 1: you know. I think a lot of people wouldn't understand 1031 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: this too about baar dog. I didn't understand this about 1032 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,320 Speaker 1: bear dog breeders. People, You guys aren't in the market 1033 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 1: of selling puppis. You want to get a litter of pups, 1034 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: and you want every one of those dogs to go 1035 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,359 Speaker 1: into the hands of hunters that you know we're gonna 1036 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 1: hunt them, that you know are going to give him 1037 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,280 Speaker 1: a chance. And that also you know you could breed 1038 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,360 Speaker 1: back to if it ends up being the phenomenal dogs 1039 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 1: in the decades, and and so I think that's fascinating. 1040 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 1: You know, I do have plot dogs, and I've had 1041 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,800 Speaker 1: a couple of litters and people that don't know anything 1042 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,759 Speaker 1: or just like, well, oh good, you're gonna sell some 1043 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:20,560 Speaker 1: pubs and uh. And I'm I've automatically adopted this philosophy 1044 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,560 Speaker 1: because I like it so much. What I see in 1045 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,399 Speaker 1: in these bear hunters is that no, I didn't breed 1046 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,319 Speaker 1: those dogs just to have a litter pups. I want 1047 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,439 Speaker 1: him to go to the right people. And I'm even 1048 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 1: willing to give them to the right people so that 1049 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,480 Speaker 1: I can see what happens to him and breed back 1050 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,840 Speaker 1: to him. And I mean, and and if you do 1051 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,799 Speaker 1: that for sixty years. Are you know, Mr Roy you 1052 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,320 Speaker 1: started hunting. Your dad got dogs when you were three, 1053 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:49,320 Speaker 1: so sixty eight. Actually that ain't right. He had dogs, okay, okay, 1054 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,759 Speaker 1: And you do that for six decades. Then you have 1055 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 1: kept track of a lot of dogs. And you ended 1056 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: like Ronnie said, you end up you You do end 1057 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,399 Speaker 1: up breeding the best to the beast. I mean most 1058 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 1: of the time when you can. And anyway, that's a 1059 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 1: good philosophy. Well, I just wanted to share that, so 1060 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,919 Speaker 1: we got away from it. That that that what we're doing. 1061 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,719 Speaker 1: Go ahead, you want to, but you you take a 1062 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: good female, good and you bread head, you're gonna come 1063 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,360 Speaker 1: out with something fire day edation out of a good female. 1064 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: Now I'd rather go that route. He see you other route. 1065 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: It's the number one good male bread to just one 1066 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 1: that at ain't it's good? Say here, ain't too good? 1067 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: Just bready to say one it ain't so good. I 1068 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,440 Speaker 1: don't like it at all. Yeah, but now I'm believer 1069 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,080 Speaker 1: in that pemale, believer in the females. Well, it's it's 1070 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,160 Speaker 1: just like I've told people that I found a pup 1071 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,120 Speaker 1: it's really bread good, which funding on Facebook. I don't 1072 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,320 Speaker 1: think you've ever seen Roy are me or anybody with 1073 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,120 Speaker 1: a pup on Facebook? When you have them sell pups 1074 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 1: on Facebook, there's something wrong. Now that's my opinion. I 1075 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: mean that's that that would offend a lot of people 1076 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,040 Speaker 1: because they've got they got them on Facebook. There's people 1077 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,520 Speaker 1: out there saying, if you raise the litter pups, I 1078 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 1: want one, I want one. I want one. I mean, 1079 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: you don't have to look for somebody to get them. There. 1080 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: There's there's people who already ask you about them. I 1081 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 1: want them, and I don't understand. Then they're buying them 1082 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,520 Speaker 1: on Facebook and and him pups are expensive. If you 1083 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 1: go to buy the pups, they are, they're expensive. I 1084 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 1: feel like I could have sew pups and make some money, 1085 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:37,520 Speaker 1: a lot of money sell the pups. But you sell 1086 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,960 Speaker 1: them to Tom Dick and Harry whoever, and then they 1087 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: take them home with them. They never take them a hunting, 1088 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,240 Speaker 1: and then word gets out I tried one of pups 1089 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: from me. I wasn't no count, it wasn't no. I 1090 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,600 Speaker 1: didn't know you'd be taking a hunting a time or two. 1091 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,680 Speaker 1: And then the next thing you know, you're in the 1092 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,560 Speaker 1: same category with all them out to Yanner that they're 1093 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 1: selling pubs and everybody's saying you can't get a good 1094 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,960 Speaker 1: puff off and stuff. But if you don't sell them, 1095 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 1: then you don't have to worry about that. There's a 1096 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,040 Speaker 1: there's a low percentage. There's a low percentage of what 1097 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: just what we're talking about good dogs and if you 1098 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,400 Speaker 1: don't hunt them, they're not good dogs. Right. You might 1099 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: you might give a dog to somebody and it may 1100 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 1: be the most phenomenal bare dog in the last fifty years, 1101 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 1: but you never know it because it wasn't hunted. That's right. 1102 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: I mean, well, you're just take a dog that's put 1103 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:36,160 Speaker 1: up and say it's the number one dog and and 1104 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: uh and and you stand it up for two years 1105 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,160 Speaker 1: and then you take it to hunting and hits fat 1106 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,040 Speaker 1: and been patted for two years and you see what 1107 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,960 Speaker 1: it does for you the first time? Or tell you 1108 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 1: take it a hunt for several times. Yeah, yeah, I've 1109 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:56,560 Speaker 1: seen two dogs that was so that was good dogs. 1110 00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: Bay of buyer backed about it. They take them out 1111 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 1: midnight of a night, turn them on a big bar, 1112 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 1: and when it got daylight the next morning they'd go 1113 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: pack them and and kill a buyer and and and 1114 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:20,640 Speaker 1: they sold them dolls. Well actually hold and uh and 1115 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: uh uh that guy on that rock, Cressler was his name, 1116 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: Duck bowed him. They bowed him and and and and 1117 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,479 Speaker 1: they've been a standing up per a couple of years. Well, 1118 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,600 Speaker 1: they tried to hunt them, they wouldn't do nighting. They 1119 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't even get out of side. They wouldn't even leave 1120 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 1: one a bar track or do nighting. So they actually 1121 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,400 Speaker 1: give them to Jesse down on the coast. And and 1122 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,320 Speaker 1: we was going down our whole lot of hunting and training, 1123 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,040 Speaker 1: training that ner and Jesse just keeping taking them dogs 1124 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,600 Speaker 1: and taking them dolls. They was at browd and and 1125 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,720 Speaker 1: got the little way to off of them. And finally, 1126 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: uh they started going and and and hunting and and 1127 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,720 Speaker 1: I've seen them actually stay on a bar eighteen IROs 1128 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,120 Speaker 1: down there. It's just act what they wouldn't have don nothing. 1129 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 1: And when the bar laid down, the dogs laid down, bark, bark, bark, 1130 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,120 Speaker 1: baring it up, move and move with it and lay 1131 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: right down with it. In them detch lines downer them canals. 1132 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,120 Speaker 1: The only way you got them off of a buyer 1133 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,360 Speaker 1: was catching off of it. And and uh so you 1134 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 1: know that the hunting part goes a long way with it, 1135 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:46,800 Speaker 1: and hunter that knows more than the dog does is 1136 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,440 Speaker 1: to want you to make the best dogs too. Uh. 1137 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Just for instance, if you take somebody to hunter hunted 1138 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,880 Speaker 1: all our life and they make every excuse in the 1139 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,640 Speaker 1: world for that dog. It was at the tree. I 1140 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,200 Speaker 1: had it on this uh paper thing, and it was 1141 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,440 Speaker 1: right there at the tree. And then you get to 1142 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,240 Speaker 1: the tree killer byer ain't dog, ain't tire wonder why 1143 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,520 Speaker 1: he left that tree. If you keep telling him self ad, 1144 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: you ain't gonna never have nothing. I mean, when you 1145 01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 1: when you start lying to yourself and telling you on 1146 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,000 Speaker 1: self at and trying to get other people to back 1147 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 1: it up, you ain't gonna hid nothing. M which I 1148 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,680 Speaker 1: had a lot of dogs. I know, Daniel as good 1149 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,880 Speaker 1: as maybe a dog or to be. But then I 1150 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: hunt some it's as probably as good as anybody hunt. 1151 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 1: But you got to know what the dog is and 1152 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,440 Speaker 1: what it does, and and making excuses up for them. 1153 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,880 Speaker 1: In my opinion, ain't ain't right. I mean, I ain't 1154 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,919 Speaker 1: saying mine kick mess up. But if they mess up, 1155 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,960 Speaker 1: I just say they messed up, and I get them, 1156 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,360 Speaker 1: and I'm go on about it. But now if you 1157 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,439 Speaker 1: start saying, no, they didn't do this day, they didn't 1158 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,400 Speaker 1: do that. When you know good and will it did, 1159 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: you ain't gonna have nothing. What are you thinking about? Well, 1160 01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,320 Speaker 1: that's right, I mean, that's I like the thought you 1161 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,080 Speaker 1: had to go by smarting. You don't got a thing 1162 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,440 Speaker 1: about that rule. And you said that how many times? 1163 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,920 Speaker 1: You boys? I know you're I know the answer for 1164 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,480 Speaker 1: us says the don'ts taught me a whole lot about hunting. 1165 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,840 Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, men has has helped me a 1166 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 1: lot in in breeding and opportunity in place. But the 1167 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,960 Speaker 1: the journey that the hogs showed me a whole lot 1168 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,040 Speaker 1: more leading them dogs, which they've shown me more than 1169 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,360 Speaker 1: that than any Absolutely, if you learn by doing that, 1170 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,640 Speaker 1: then you're doing good. You've learned that. If you can't 1171 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 1: learn doing that, then you ain't going never. And it 1172 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,920 Speaker 1: is I understand where a lot of people are kind 1173 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,600 Speaker 1: of have to have a little sympathy for him. It's 1174 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,440 Speaker 1: hard to feed an old dog like it. And that's 1175 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,480 Speaker 1: something's gonna blow out on you. You know, you want 1176 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 1: to hunt for an excuse, but but you can't. You 1177 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,360 Speaker 1: have to set you have to come to reality, and 1178 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,280 Speaker 1: that thing some words that it just didn't make it, 1179 01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,480 Speaker 1: it ain't good or it's met the wrong by or whatever, 1180 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,400 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I mean I get where people's 1181 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,800 Speaker 1: at sometimes, but you know, to to really be good 1182 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,400 Speaker 1: at it, you know, I feel like I can. You know, 1183 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,040 Speaker 1: you're just gotta be real what it is. You know. 1184 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 1: They just something said about just being honest and straight 1185 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 1: and real about it, and uh you know again, I mean, 1186 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,280 Speaker 1: if it hadn't been for a few old olds through 1187 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,360 Speaker 1: the years, I still don't know all what about it, 1188 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,000 Speaker 1: but I'm sure it wasn't know much. But they have 1189 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,840 Speaker 1: teached you how to buy a hunt. And they're all 1190 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,440 Speaker 1: different things, and they're all way, they differ, they're all different. 1191 01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,480 Speaker 1: They can all learn you different things, and you've got 1192 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: to learn to read them and then read you. I'm 1193 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,280 Speaker 1: getting And you guys give a lot of grace to 1194 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,520 Speaker 1: dogs too, though, don't. I mean you're not just keeping 1195 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:48,800 Speaker 1: perfect dogs. I probably keep more imperfect doubts and Ira 1196 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 1: and Rodney Dash. Yeah, but I don't know Roy if 1197 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,760 Speaker 1: i'd say that, I don't think you do. Uh, I tell, 1198 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,680 Speaker 1: you've had me a whole lot. I told somebody this 1199 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:05,120 Speaker 1: other day. I told today I was talking to Justin 1200 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,200 Speaker 1: Gurley day and I told him, as you hit me 1201 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot with with being patient. That first year 1202 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,160 Speaker 1: with Dolls, I actually was getting rid of some dogs 1203 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,840 Speaker 1: that at a year old, that that you know, and 1204 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,160 Speaker 1: in that first year that just for slipping up one time, 1205 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, and I never made one. Well you had 1206 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,160 Speaker 1: me with that. He got me back down a little bit. 1207 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,200 Speaker 1: They never made the best dog in the world. It 1208 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,960 Speaker 1: can't mas sad. I don't care which one it is 1209 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,600 Speaker 1: the best thing you ever had at one day. That 1210 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,960 Speaker 1: thing messed up one day, But they don't need to 1211 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,240 Speaker 1: try and to lie about. Didn't say hit done this 1212 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,280 Speaker 1: or hit done that's the best thing. Hit me stup 1213 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 1: it didn't do right. But I know what he does 1214 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 1: do and that don't bother me a bit. I just 1215 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,120 Speaker 1: catch it. Did you say you told me? You said 1216 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 1: they've all got something wrong with them, but some of 1217 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: them have enough to make up for it. How did 1218 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,640 Speaker 1: you say that? Well, I just say, michell, if they 1219 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,440 Speaker 1: ain't never made that dog cutting miss up, but they 1220 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,040 Speaker 1: some of them sho good. They can mess up. And 1221 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,040 Speaker 1: I've got one night on right now that they can 1222 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:16,360 Speaker 1: mess up, but they still a keeper. And they do 1223 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,040 Speaker 1: enough right. You had. You had a beautiful little phrase 1224 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,080 Speaker 1: you said to me earlier. You said, some of them, 1225 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,600 Speaker 1: some of them will mess up, but they do enough 1226 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 1: right that it makes up for the messing up. Good 1227 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,959 Speaker 1: out weighs the bad. Yeah, I've got that one dog 1228 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,760 Speaker 1: a far right now to Brno's as good a doll 1229 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,160 Speaker 1: is anybody bar hunch good. But now can you miss 1230 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,880 Speaker 1: up again? Yeah? But now, buddy, if he don't mess up, 1231 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,280 Speaker 1: he's got going on her going out. I've got some 1232 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,080 Speaker 1: if they don't mess up, they're gonna do good. But 1233 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,720 Speaker 1: they they the TheInk they with without messing up. Ronnie 1234 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,960 Speaker 1: said something of the day, Clay, I really like and 1235 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,400 Speaker 1: I and I ain't forgot it. I'll Sharett Williams And 1236 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,320 Speaker 1: this is it in a nutshell. These dolls there that 1237 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,880 Speaker 1: a hip you and these dolls at thirs. You've got 1238 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,240 Speaker 1: to help. You can think about that one. That that's 1239 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,479 Speaker 1: that's a pretty deep thought. I really like that. Well, 1240 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 1: a good dog will do a whole lot more helping 1241 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,120 Speaker 1: you than you have to help in And some of 1242 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,160 Speaker 1: these dolls, if we're not careful that they'll they'll participate 1243 01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,440 Speaker 1: and they'll work. But you gotta get him in the 1244 01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,120 Speaker 1: right place all time. You find yourself kind of working 1245 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,480 Speaker 1: them instead of them darn goods. They just flat out 1246 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:30,920 Speaker 1: help you. Kenyan Bart, you know him well. Bart would 1247 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,760 Speaker 1: keep you dog. He'll keep you till you can go 1248 01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,760 Speaker 1: back to that by track and do what you need 1249 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: to for some doubts might lose it and you don't 1250 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,480 Speaker 1: know where the bar track is. Bart ain't gonna do Dad, 1251 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,600 Speaker 1: He might not go no more. But if you have 1252 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,960 Speaker 1: to go heavy, he's your cold trailing dog. And what 1253 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,360 Speaker 1: you're saying, he's not super fast, but he buys all 1254 01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,960 Speaker 1: the time and print of it. But if you need 1255 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 1: to go to a bier track, and he'll bark. So 1256 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,959 Speaker 1: if it gets bogged down and you're in feed ground 1257 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,480 Speaker 1: or whatever and you want to go happy, you can 1258 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,920 Speaker 1: go happy because you know you're going to the bier track. 1259 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,560 Speaker 1: He's of barking. You know you're going to the bier track. 1260 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,240 Speaker 1: And and uh and and if you can't do that, 1261 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,479 Speaker 1: that happened us down on the coast. That happened us 1262 01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,120 Speaker 1: down on the coast to lash Bar that we couldn't run. 1263 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,679 Speaker 1: We could have jumped that bear, but damn dogs wouldn't 1264 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,599 Speaker 1: stay on the scent and we knowed where to go 1265 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,559 Speaker 1: to to try to follow up with it. And if 1266 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,280 Speaker 1: we'd had bard Hooker down there, wouldn't known for to 1267 01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,840 Speaker 1: go to to follow that barning. We just been up 1268 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,960 Speaker 1: this year on coast bab. We didn't really have a 1269 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,400 Speaker 1: lot down there. The trail was hurt. We had got 1270 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,960 Speaker 1: herd with you and and the hooker was at and 1271 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,400 Speaker 1: brought bart he was I mean, we were just you know, 1272 01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,160 Speaker 1: we're kind of winging it with you know. Yeah, and 1273 01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,040 Speaker 1: we've done all right. I think we're called seven and 1274 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:05,080 Speaker 1: but we lost one good by because we didn't have 1275 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,080 Speaker 1: Barton and hooker and and if we'd had damn, I 1276 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,040 Speaker 1: was just about a bit. Cha bird have been dead there, 1277 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:16,120 Speaker 1: but we didn't have. Now get back on Nana Haley 1278 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:23,800 Speaker 1: o here, what would you call him? Nanay men ronnie men. 1279 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,960 Speaker 1: I went over and honey a little bit with him. 1280 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,400 Speaker 1: I ain't hunted a big loot with him, but I 1281 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,599 Speaker 1: had to go every year and hunting a few days 1282 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,040 Speaker 1: with him. And ain't done that in a while. I 1283 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,719 Speaker 1: ain't able to and uh and and uh. We would 1284 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:42,880 Speaker 1: run a bier over there and we killed we killed 1285 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:48,080 Speaker 1: a few, but we've run something gotten the buyer sanctuary, 1286 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:54,639 Speaker 1: and what miserable times we shoul spend over uh three 1287 01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,599 Speaker 1: or four o'clock and I'm going into trying to gather 1288 01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:01,880 Speaker 1: up dogs and going to sleep. And one one morning 1289 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,479 Speaker 1: we woke up and were sitting in the middle of 1290 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,080 Speaker 1: the road and that bar sanctuary, both of us sleeping 1291 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:14,120 Speaker 1: the tree. If it is a long night when really come, 1292 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,160 Speaker 1: it was just about from not from daylight till dark, 1293 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,000 Speaker 1: It was just from the time he comes he left. 1294 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,640 Speaker 1: We just about up. Roddy, do you have Can you 1295 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,000 Speaker 1: think of a real good story about either either of 1296 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 1: these guys that you could tell? Oh, I can think 1297 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,320 Speaker 1: of things about both on good and he can tell 1298 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:38,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't it was the bar restaurants ended. He might 1299 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,840 Speaker 1: can tell the bar rais. I don't know. But we 1300 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,400 Speaker 1: were shot so bad that neither one of us what 1301 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,520 Speaker 1: neighbor to drive. And we got Bud to drivers. We'd 1302 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,120 Speaker 1: we'd run bar for two days and we had one 1303 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,479 Speaker 1: get in the bar saints worrying, So we started that 1304 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,360 Speaker 1: and was gonna go over and and right to give 1305 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:01,800 Speaker 1: out the bars, ain't you were? And I said, we'll 1306 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,400 Speaker 1: get Budd to take us. Roy, what do we need 1307 01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,240 Speaker 1: budd to take us for I said, Roy, I said, 1308 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,800 Speaker 1: we'll not be a sleep, will not be awaken telling 1309 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,360 Speaker 1: me it said, I said, we get said why I'm 1310 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 1: all right? I said, all right anywhere I got. But 1311 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,200 Speaker 1: I said, Bud drives over there? All right, we had 1312 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,280 Speaker 1: tracking box and and I guess we got out and tracked. 1313 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,920 Speaker 1: I don't even remember buds. He drove several world there 1314 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,439 Speaker 1: and said we wouldn't even get out in track. Said 1315 01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,920 Speaker 1: we get out and just he said he you know 1316 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,519 Speaker 1: what we had box on or not? He said, I 1317 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,439 Speaker 1: can't give you said we get back in go sleep, 1318 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,760 Speaker 1: And that's about right. I guess I don't much more 1319 01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,080 Speaker 1: to remember, leaving leaving no wire. That's about all I remember, 1320 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,679 Speaker 1: just leaving the house over there. Where's a sleep before 1321 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,600 Speaker 1: I was a sleep? Before we ever got to the 1322 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,679 Speaker 1: lake down our things? You was you sleep? So's got 1323 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,000 Speaker 1: in there all right right there? But I thought, we 1324 01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,040 Speaker 1: know when we sat there and you'll be you big 1325 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,240 Speaker 1: guy on Uh we got him were a day or two? 1326 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,680 Speaker 1: Uh right? What's the best what's the best dog that 1327 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,559 Speaker 1: you've ever owned? Can you think of one that just 1328 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,840 Speaker 1: was just for sure the best dog? I mean when 1329 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,559 Speaker 1: I three or four months ago I talked to Ira 1330 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:15,000 Speaker 1: and we did a legendary barhound story on on Harry Harvey, 1331 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Harvey Harvey, Harvey Harvey, and you know, just right off 1332 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,040 Speaker 1: the bat he said, you know, I've got it. He 1333 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,840 Speaker 1: had a couple of dogs, but that was one that 1334 01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,559 Speaker 1: came to mind. Do you have a dog that just 1335 01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,120 Speaker 1: I've got I've got. I've had some dogs that I 1336 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,160 Speaker 1: that I've locked. I mean, I don't know, I've had 1337 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:35,240 Speaker 1: some dogs. Yeah, I don't hate can go with June, 1338 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:42,960 Speaker 1: or he could go with or he could go with Hooker, Hooker, Square, 1339 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:47,680 Speaker 1: Luke or what what do you name your dogs like 1340 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,920 Speaker 1: on registry? I mean if you you may not want 1341 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,000 Speaker 1: to tell me that. No, well is it is? It 1342 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,599 Speaker 1: is at me? And Roy got the Brandon dogs and 1343 01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,000 Speaker 1: he said, why don't you just put that Bateman's Laurel Mountain. 1344 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,960 Speaker 1: I said, well, you don't wait to differing. I said, 1345 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:05,439 Speaker 1: it's just as long as the reds or didn' don't 1346 01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,080 Speaker 1: make any different what the name isn't so I usually 1347 01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:13,240 Speaker 1: I started using Bateman's Laurel Mountain whatever. So it's Laurel Mountain. 1348 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,760 Speaker 1: Most of it to be Laurel Mountain. That yeah, Well we've, 1349 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,519 Speaker 1: like I said, we've crossed some of everything. And I 1350 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,960 Speaker 1: didn't have Laurel Mountain and the story didn't. But I'll 1351 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,599 Speaker 1: say the majority of its Laurel. Well that lot well 1352 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 1: that that that helps me. That's so Laurel Mountain. What 1353 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:33,320 Speaker 1: dogs did you say? Luke? Uh Hooker? That's now? But 1354 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,840 Speaker 1: now some of them dogs? What was that one mit? 1355 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,800 Speaker 1: You had? You like a good June square a long 1356 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,240 Speaker 1: time ago? Yeah, and Nam Dougts and pausing and Nam 1357 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,680 Speaker 1: dogs didn't have lower mountain in front of down or 1358 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,640 Speaker 1: what are your what are your dogs? Jones? We've just 1359 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,719 Speaker 1: stuck with his family name is Jones is Harvey or whatever? 1360 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,400 Speaker 1: Yeh okay, yeah, but he needs to put some kind 1361 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:09,360 Speaker 1: of mountain, yeah, Jones, Barker's Creek Jones or something. Uh 1362 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: got a big title out there for a m hmm. 1363 01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,639 Speaker 1: I don't know about all that. It's a but he's 1364 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: had several dogs. He's got that Luke dog right now 1365 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,280 Speaker 1: that he could do on and he's got to well 1366 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,479 Speaker 1: he's got Luke and Lace. But they're they're all like me. 1367 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,120 Speaker 1: They got old and has seen all night. You know, 1368 01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,080 Speaker 1: it don't matter. Good dogs they get they get old faced. Yeah, 1369 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,880 Speaker 1: they do, they get old faced. I mean you and 1370 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,040 Speaker 1: he's just like going hunting that you buddy, Yeah, has 1371 01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,720 Speaker 1: uh you miss him? M Yeah, it's unreal how you 1372 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:52,719 Speaker 1: miss shimmy trail with. I mean the ones you actually 1373 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:58,280 Speaker 1: trail with, you miss him bad, buddy. And I went 1374 01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,519 Speaker 1: through a whole lot of them, and I feel like 1375 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,599 Speaker 1: I've had some pretty kid, but it still ain't easy. 1376 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,400 Speaker 1: It ain't easy when you lose one, and like losing 1377 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,559 Speaker 1: powder as young as she was, that that break your hard. Yeah, 1378 01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:17,080 Speaker 1: it breaks you hard. M hmm. It's hard to get 1379 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,679 Speaker 1: those real good trail dogs, even out of a good, 1380 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:24,719 Speaker 1: real good line. We got trail dogs that How would 1381 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,200 Speaker 1: you describe a trail dog, Ronnie? A lot of heart 1382 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,880 Speaker 1: and determination? Yeah, I mean if they gotta like a 1383 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,680 Speaker 1: buyer first thing, but a trail dog, he's got to 1384 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,799 Speaker 1: have the heart and determination to stay there when everything 1385 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,160 Speaker 1: else leaves and hunt forward and find it, make it happen. 1386 01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,800 Speaker 1: And the trail dog you're using to start a track, 1387 01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,800 Speaker 1: so you've got a rig strike or you found a 1388 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,920 Speaker 1: track on the bank of the ditch, and it's the 1389 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,240 Speaker 1: first dog you're turning out to try to get the 1390 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,000 Speaker 1: track lined out. Yeah, and he's got a not quit. 1391 01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,800 Speaker 1: He's got to keep on long, just keep on and 1392 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,960 Speaker 1: on and and he may get piled up, and they 1393 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,680 Speaker 1: may get bogged down and stuff, but you gotta just 1394 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,800 Speaker 1: keep be getting on. Pis stat tell them, Oh, yeah, 1395 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:14,200 Speaker 1: I've turned them loose and in snow and there was 1396 01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,479 Speaker 1: no bar track there, but they was barking and none 1397 01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:17,840 Speaker 1: of you it was a bar. They could sumend it 1398 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:22,160 Speaker 1: under that snow. And uh, and you you turn them loose, 1399 01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean they jumped the bar. They work anthually jumped. 1400 01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,639 Speaker 1: You couldn't even see the track. Well, I've seen that too. 1401 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,240 Speaker 1: Well have you got a good trail dog right now? Ira, 1402 01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,479 Speaker 1: I'm using too right now. She ain't the best thing 1403 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,720 Speaker 1: I ever have. She's probably the best thing I got 1404 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:44,920 Speaker 1: right now. And uh and I lost too. This year's 1405 01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of difficult to lose. But you lose them, you 1406 01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:53,080 Speaker 1: know they're gonna go. And and yeah, who what dog 1407 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 1: are you trailing with? Mr? Roy? I'm still treading my 1408 01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:02,679 Speaker 1: bart and Hooker and which and and mad Chick and Annie. Okay, 1409 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,400 Speaker 1: so I was some of the dogs that are in 1410 01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:11,680 Speaker 1: our video. Yeah, actually right now I'm in trailing, you know, 1411 01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm in decent shape on trailing. Annie 1412 01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,920 Speaker 1: is the bitch that you run around the road that 1413 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,759 Speaker 1: wasn't in the race of that bar that we killed 1414 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,360 Speaker 1: and and you we are running around the road, and 1415 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,439 Speaker 1: I said, I don't know what she's running. And she 1416 01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,800 Speaker 1: had the bear and she and you've seen the buy 1417 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:39,000 Speaker 1: and and lost that GPS and and uh and everything. 1418 01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,600 Speaker 1: And I knew he'd bring that up. You'll do that 1419 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:49,320 Speaker 1: and that well and and and so we had to 1420 01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:53,360 Speaker 1: get in hot pursuit there and and but we did 1421 01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:59,680 Speaker 1: find the GPS. Yeah, yeah, we did. Yeah. Yeah. That 1422 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: dog was just a yeah yeah, because you think we 1423 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,760 Speaker 1: thought maybe she was running off game or so, I said, 1424 01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,120 Speaker 1: she could be running anything. But it turned out into 1425 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,400 Speaker 1: the bar. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And she done that 1426 01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:16,200 Speaker 1: in Canada. And actually she's done that in Canada, doesn't 1427 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,120 Speaker 1: here She come out and run it over top of 1428 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,760 Speaker 1: Rhyme and Rhyan cured it and she's just a puppy then. 1429 01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,800 Speaker 1: But it turned out I don't know if it's a 1430 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,960 Speaker 1: moose or bar, but it turned out into bar. Uh. 1431 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,559 Speaker 1: Well already have we I know there's there is a 1432 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,960 Speaker 1: thousand different directions we could have gone on this deal. 1433 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,400 Speaker 1: Is there anything you would like to say that we 1434 01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,240 Speaker 1: didn't talk about, Well, I don't know. We've talked about 1435 01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,360 Speaker 1: a whole lot, haven't. It's been a good journey, I'm 1436 01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,400 Speaker 1: sure say that I've had a good time with it 1437 01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,000 Speaker 1: and made a whole lot of friends. I really have 1438 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,120 Speaker 1: very unique people, hard hunting, dedicated people, and and I 1439 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,840 Speaker 1: had privileged to spend a lot of time a lot 1440 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:56,680 Speaker 1: of these bull wishes, two men here, and a lot 1441 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,920 Speaker 1: of others. And I've had a good time. I really have. 1442 01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,120 Speaker 1: I'll just tell have been blessed. That's just what you 1443 01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,880 Speaker 1: can say about it. But I enjoy it, enjoy talking about, 1444 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,559 Speaker 1: enjoy doing, Enjoy looking at papers, figuring what's gonna happen 1445 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,200 Speaker 1: to Maria? You know it? Ever part of it? I 1446 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,479 Speaker 1: like it. Yeah. Well, walking out here today with you 1447 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:19,479 Speaker 1: and Mr Roy through your dogs, Uh, we're in just 1448 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,640 Speaker 1: a beautiful place, smoky mountains here, I mean I I 1449 01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:29,560 Speaker 1: value I I value these just what you guys represent 1450 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,880 Speaker 1: in in the lifestyle that you all have lived and 1451 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,519 Speaker 1: and uh, these dogs are special. I mean some people 1452 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,280 Speaker 1: might just walk out there and see a bunch of 1453 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,200 Speaker 1: dark colored hounds tied up and not think much about it. 1454 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:47,160 Speaker 1: But I think there's I I just value what you 1455 01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,200 Speaker 1: guys are doing and and how you've dedicated yourself to this. 1456 01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,439 Speaker 1: It's a craft, you know. I think maybe that's what 1457 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,040 Speaker 1: draws me to guys like like you, all that have 1458 01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:02,160 Speaker 1: dedicated your life to this very specific thing, is that 1459 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,120 Speaker 1: it's a craft. And you don't just get it overnight. 1460 01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,320 Speaker 1: You don't. You don't just understand it in two years 1461 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,800 Speaker 1: of doing it, you know. And all you guys have 1462 01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,920 Speaker 1: so much history from your from your father's and grandfathers, 1463 01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,400 Speaker 1: and that's pretty unique in our culture. And that's something 1464 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:25,000 Speaker 1: that I think is worth preserving, you know that. Uh, 1465 01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:30,880 Speaker 1: And and that's that's that's neat. But it's definitely a heritage. 1466 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,000 Speaker 1: I believe that. And I believe it's an apple Atian thing. 1467 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,120 Speaker 1: I got a lot of friends up north, different places 1468 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,400 Speaker 1: hunt in Wisconsin, al And aint and part of the 1469 01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,040 Speaker 1: apple Atians. But it's uh it down down here, It's 1470 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,040 Speaker 1: definitely a part of it. And uh, I think that's 1471 01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:45,760 Speaker 1: we're earlier. You know, it's talking about what kind of 1472 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,000 Speaker 1: looked up to hunters. They've been some very successful man 1473 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,680 Speaker 1: walk these old mounds. They really have hunted, and I 1474 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,960 Speaker 1: mean you you want to go hunting and you want 1475 01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:00,240 Speaker 1: to kill buyers, run buyers and have racious But it's 1476 01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,160 Speaker 1: just fun to be out in the woods a hunting 1477 01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,960 Speaker 1: with your friends and the one that's really close to 1478 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,000 Speaker 1: you and stuff and and make a lot of friends. 1479 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,160 Speaker 1: Now you will make a few enemies when killed seasons 1480 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:21,000 Speaker 1: open training season. Everybody's your friend and actually, uh actually 1481 01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:27,639 Speaker 1: in killed season you're actually better off if you're talking 1482 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,600 Speaker 1: to another buyer hunter and you're do any good today, 1483 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,519 Speaker 1: however run one it got away or something like that. 1484 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,800 Speaker 1: The more you do that, the more friend they are. 1485 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,720 Speaker 1: If you see them every day and I got one 1486 01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,920 Speaker 1: today or I got it one of the more and 1487 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,000 Speaker 1: the next day I got one, then they don't care 1488 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,360 Speaker 1: so much about talking to you a good dan. Some 1489 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,840 Speaker 1: of them don't. It changes the tune to some of 1490 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,400 Speaker 1: them don't even. But but but going to hunting and 1491 01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,680 Speaker 1: having a good time and being with your friends and 1492 01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,840 Speaker 1: means a lot. Now if you can add a byre 1493 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:06,320 Speaker 1: shend of that deal, it makes it even better. Yeah, yeah, Ronny, 1494 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,240 Speaker 1: have we Is there anything you'd like to say that 1495 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,439 Speaker 1: we hadn't talked about? Don't I don't think a bad 1496 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,559 Speaker 1: deal is I'm like I've been I've been blessed. But 1497 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,880 Speaker 1: one of these days we'll all get too old to 1498 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:20,080 Speaker 1: run them dogs and everything. But I'm thankful for the 1499 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:21,840 Speaker 1: friends of God and said on the porch. And we 1500 01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,040 Speaker 1: can talk about just just things like this, and and 1501 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:29,200 Speaker 1: it's enjoyable just to talk about what it has. It's 1502 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,880 Speaker 1: it's a it's a big part of it. Just to 1503 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,720 Speaker 1: have friends. You can talk about it with um and 1504 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,840 Speaker 1: people that it's kind of seize it the way you do. 1505 01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,440 Speaker 1: Like I said, everybody didn't say this the same way. 1506 01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,920 Speaker 1: So we do. We pretty much see the same way. 1507 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm not seeing we agree on everything, but pretty much 1508 01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,559 Speaker 1: we agree on you can put can you put a 1509 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:55,040 Speaker 1: ps on that? Well, I'd like for you to get 1510 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Jural right there in that seat and let him put 1511 01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,640 Speaker 1: one of his head chips on, let ar keep his 1512 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,200 Speaker 1: heads that on, and let you talk to him. If 1513 01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,840 Speaker 1: ire needs to help him a little bit, he can 1514 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,960 Speaker 1: encourage him and just get a little bit out of him. 1515 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,240 Speaker 1: Let's do that. Absolutely if we get him, you get 1516 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:12,920 Speaker 1: him wrong here or you don't make it running our 1517 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,880 Speaker 1: to him, come in here. Yeah, well what what I 1518 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, what would the value? What would the value 1519 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,160 Speaker 1: of all this be if you just had all these 1520 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,680 Speaker 1: dogs out here and you didn't have these guys and 1521 01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,200 Speaker 1: your dad. I think we I think we gain even 1522 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,880 Speaker 1: though I mean we're hunters and we're wanting good dogs 1523 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,920 Speaker 1: or wanting to kill bears and run bears. Really a 1524 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,880 Speaker 1: lot of the value of this friendships doesn't It's right. 1525 01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,479 Speaker 1: That's right with me for sure, Because if I had 1526 01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,599 Speaker 1: the best dogs in the world and I hunted by 1527 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:56,360 Speaker 1: myself and didn't have no uh nobody to to go hunting, 1528 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,479 Speaker 1: to cut up and carry on and have a good 1529 01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,760 Speaker 1: time with it, I don't know on how much I'd 1530 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,920 Speaker 1: be into this. Son. Yeah, Mr Roy, go ahead and 1531 01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,600 Speaker 1: put that on. And let's ask ask Mr Gerald what 1532 01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:13,919 Speaker 1: what you uh? What you think? This is Mr Gerald Jones, 1533 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,640 Speaker 1: he's soon to be eighty years old, and this is 1534 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:21,200 Speaker 1: Ira Jones father. Can you hear mate? Gerald? Hear you? 1535 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,679 Speaker 1: All right, we'll get on with this saying in this show, 1536 01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:31,200 Speaker 1: and we want you to tell him over there when 1537 01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,599 Speaker 1: you first started and and who you budded up with 1538 01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,479 Speaker 1: that guy that had them Are you daddy did? Who 1539 01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,760 Speaker 1: was that guy had them dogs? That Thomas got some 1540 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:49,200 Speaker 1: of my fabi Thomas ripe Boe, Max Max Year Max 1541 01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,479 Speaker 1: Yeer and just tell him some of the stuff. He'll 1542 01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,880 Speaker 1: ask you a question or two and just tell him 1543 01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,920 Speaker 1: some of that stuff are. But I'm telling him what 1544 01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:03,120 Speaker 1: if I'm hearing good enough? Yeah, well, yeah, go ahead. 1545 01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:11,120 Speaker 1: How did you get started in bear hunting? Well? Uh, 1546 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,599 Speaker 1: my first first time I had to win a bar 1547 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,280 Speaker 1: hunting in my life, quit of year old. I went 1548 01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:22,040 Speaker 1: by my daddy and uh a couple of three more 1549 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:26,240 Speaker 1: of these old timers around here, and uh at that, 1550 01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,519 Speaker 1: but the first time I had to winter buyer hunting. 1551 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:38,320 Speaker 1: But uh, we've always just a small kid. My daddy 1552 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,600 Speaker 1: always kept dogs and we've had pought dogs all the 1553 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:45,679 Speaker 1: way up, which had other time too, but we didn't 1554 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,479 Speaker 1: how none red shirt back key and you know that's 1555 01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:53,720 Speaker 1: back in the forties and stuff and the uh there 1556 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,639 Speaker 1: wasn't red or dogs, but uh, we've had pought dogs 1557 01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,599 Speaker 1: along as I can remember. He's wanting you to talk 1558 01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,120 Speaker 1: a little bit about hunting with your dad and how 1559 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,639 Speaker 1: hard it was to find a buyer track and how 1560 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:11,559 Speaker 1: much you had to do at that time back when 1561 01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,120 Speaker 1: the when the first you know, when the growing up 1562 01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:18,559 Speaker 1: and first yeah, into it. Uh as for ahead any 1563 01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:23,920 Speaker 1: ready in the TVs. I mean he's and then finally 1564 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,320 Speaker 1: come out hay for wad. Then you could holler as 1565 01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:34,559 Speaker 1: fur as you could talk. You didn't hit you much. Uh. 1566 01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,679 Speaker 1: It was tough back at them days. Uh. And didn't 1567 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,240 Speaker 1: have an old track and stuff and nothing, you know, 1568 01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:47,040 Speaker 1: and uh uh you you just had to get on 1569 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:52,920 Speaker 1: high ground and trying to the dogs. Yeah, you know, 1570 01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,519 Speaker 1: I thought it was you. Uh. Hit was something else 1571 01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,120 Speaker 1: in the But the way I got in for it's 1572 01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,519 Speaker 1: the way we got in. Damn man. My uncle, my uncle. 1573 01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:09,320 Speaker 1: I went by with him at Herbert's when just before 1574 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:14,040 Speaker 1: sixteen year old it back and I guess along fifty 1575 01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:19,320 Speaker 1: four some of the fifty five couple. I wasn't sixteen 1576 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,080 Speaker 1: and went over to look at a horse. He's wanting 1577 01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,960 Speaker 1: he heard Herbert had a horse, say, and I don't 1578 01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:35,599 Speaker 1: want to look at And Herbert had selden teen girling dogs. Uh. 1579 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,679 Speaker 1: And he hadn't tied up, and they was red bread 1580 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,280 Speaker 1: on gray bread on and the brown brown on the 1581 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,479 Speaker 1: black bread. And here, I mean he hadn't all tied up. 1582 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,519 Speaker 1: And I'd occurred that was the best looking pack of 1583 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:56,760 Speaker 1: old the same and I always had them on my mind. 1584 01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:01,080 Speaker 1: You know, some day we'd go back over that. And 1585 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,000 Speaker 1: hit was a few years after that I had hit 1586 01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,240 Speaker 1: Hit was a few years I would got wanting Walton 1587 01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,599 Speaker 1: pot Dog and I told my daddy, I said, let's 1588 01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,360 Speaker 1: let's go the plots. I said, I wanted to Herberts. 1589 01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,360 Speaker 1: I said that one time over I'm in cloud with O. 1590 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,120 Speaker 1: That was my monk. I said, at the best looking 1591 01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:25,080 Speaker 1: bunch of dogs I've had the same, And uh wait 1592 01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:29,960 Speaker 1: did and and that's when we got old old Sam Dog. 1593 01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:36,880 Speaker 1: We bold him off of Alfa Herbert and uh hey, 1594 01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:42,559 Speaker 1: uh that was wrong, pumbly about sixty three. You wouldn't 1595 01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:47,280 Speaker 1: his son something unk? It would? And sixty for it? 1596 01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:53,599 Speaker 1: And what the hell come into that stock right there? 1597 01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,439 Speaker 1: And then my daddy was working down in States for 1598 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:04,280 Speaker 1: and he uh uh and one of I'm changing plants 1599 01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,320 Speaker 1: and he here talking to somebody something and they told 1600 01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:12,160 Speaker 1: him about Tom Hohade having some pubs and he might 1601 01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,599 Speaker 1: get one to Dad. He went out by the and 1602 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,400 Speaker 1: and made and then and he did he gotta be it. 1603 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:21,960 Speaker 1: That's that's where the soup bitch called me and and 1604 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:27,439 Speaker 1: and she she was uh out of She went back 1605 01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:34,680 Speaker 1: to Ferguson's he got that bunch off of Ferguson. Uh G. 1606 01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:37,479 Speaker 1: Tell him how hard it was to find a fire 1607 01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:45,840 Speaker 1: track back in them days. Well, you hunted for days. Yeah, yeah, 1608 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:54,240 Speaker 1: as I already was fighting by and I mean, you know, 1609 01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:57,360 Speaker 1: you just you do a cup, your fine one just 1610 01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:02,000 Speaker 1: about it in a uh and then when you turned 1611 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,120 Speaker 1: on it, I mean, like I say, if he didn't 1612 01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,479 Speaker 1: stop it then and you hear and you just had 1613 01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:11,519 Speaker 1: to get on a high ground, you know, and following 1614 01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:16,280 Speaker 1: and all the times with bozen and uh and be 1615 01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,440 Speaker 1: out wet there darkly and then I and you you 1616 01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, be a walking and you're hearing summers. You know, 1617 01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:28,120 Speaker 1: either bade the tread one, you know. Uh, you know, 1618 01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,679 Speaker 1: I mean you just you couldn't try if I didn't 1619 01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,280 Speaker 1: have no track and stuff, and you know it was 1620 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,280 Speaker 1: it was rough. Yeah, you really had to like it. 1621 01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:42,640 Speaker 1: I really had to like it to do it. The 1622 01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:46,519 Speaker 1: old timers had it had it rough most of the way. 1623 01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,479 Speaker 1: You hunted a pretty good crowd, and they'd send their 1624 01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,760 Speaker 1: men out in these gaps, you know, top threats of 1625 01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:57,240 Speaker 1: mountain and they'd go back and said, old day, you know, 1626 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:05,799 Speaker 1: come through the dog, you know, okay, okay, they'd actually 1627 01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:10,439 Speaker 1: killed the buyer somebody and them getting them gaps or that. 1628 01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,040 Speaker 1: But they tell your dogs up at home, they would, 1629 01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,759 Speaker 1: they'd tell your dogs up and they'd have you buyron 1630 01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,679 Speaker 1: and dogs and take care of them. But now they'd 1631 01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,120 Speaker 1: go get in them gaps of the mountain and said 1632 01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,880 Speaker 1: all day, take take her dinner and everything with them 1633 01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:33,439 Speaker 1: waiting for That's the way the hundred Yeah, yeah, thank you, 1634 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,800 Speaker 1: Mr Jerald. That was that was really good. I mean 1635 01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,880 Speaker 1: they just get scattered out and nobody knows what done 1636 01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:45,000 Speaker 1: this they do. They shoot three times signal shots, wouldn't it. Uh, 1637 01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:48,880 Speaker 1: they'd shoot signal shots like three times and they'd count 1638 01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:53,160 Speaker 1: like the team between each show. Oh yeah, if somebody 1639 01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:56,559 Speaker 1: killed it needed help, they'd shoot two times by by 1640 01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,160 Speaker 1: and then they'd wait a few minutes, you know, and 1641 01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:03,559 Speaker 1: shoot again maybe my you know, real fights, you know, 1642 01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:09,000 Speaker 1: mm hmmm, Yeah. I had something. They wouldn't be many 1643 01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,559 Speaker 1: hunters today if they had to do that, wouldn't Gerald. Huh, 1644 01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,880 Speaker 1: there wouldn't be a lot of hunters today if they 1645 01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:20,720 Speaker 1: had to do that. It wouldn't have been done this 1646 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:25,679 Speaker 1: day and time is I mean, you know, uh back 1647 01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,000 Speaker 1: here and not gonna say you had to like h 1648 01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:35,000 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah. Well, thank you guys so much 1649 01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:39,160 Speaker 1: for for for coming or for me coming letting me come. 1650 01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah well, I always in the podcast the 1651 01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:46,240 Speaker 1: same way. I say keep the wild places wild because 1652 01:32:46,240 --> 01:33:00,240 Speaker 1: that's where the Bears live on