1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Rhett back with you right smack dab in the middle 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: of the week. And I love what we've got on 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: the show today. A lot of ground to cover. And 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: I think you guys are going to dig this first 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: conversation because something we were talking about offline and something 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: that was we're all a little bit curious about wanting 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: to dig into it. So let's not waste any time. 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: Let's get this thing cranked up. We are looking at 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 2: top five picks since the twenty seventeen draft that were 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: defensive lineman. How have they done? Have they been as advertised? 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: Maybe a little better, maybe a little worse. The list 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: of names is long here, with will Anderson, Trayvon Walker, 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson, Thibodeaux, Chase Young, Nick Bosa, Quentinnin Williams, Clee Farrell, 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb, and Miles Garrett. There's a lot of hits 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: on here, guys, not many misses. But I thought that's 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: a way we could approach it. 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: Buck. 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: I'll start with you. 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: Let's work back twenty seventeen to present, and let's start 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: with Miles Garrett. Buck he was the first overall pick. 23 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how you can argue anything other than 24 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: he's been even better than advertised. 25 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say he's been better than advertised because 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember that draft, it was 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 5: Derrick Barnett and Miles Garrett playing in the same conference, 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 5: and there was conversation about Derrick Barnett's production versus Miles Garrett. 29 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 5: But then when you look at Miles Garrett's athleticism, his physicality, 30 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 5: all the tools that he brought to the table. Look, 31 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 5: he was the obvious choice as the number one pick. 32 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 5: He's exceeded expectations. Look, when you take a number one pick, 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 5: you think, hey, man, this guy's going to be a 34 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 5: perennial All Pro player. 35 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 6: He's going to dominate the game in these things. 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 5: But when Trent Williams, a perennial All Pro tackle, says, 37 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 5: this guy is a gold jacket guy, a Hall of Famer, 38 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 5: that's exactly what you want from your number one overall pick. 39 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 5: What he did against the Indianapolis Colts is just a 40 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 5: continuation of what he does. It appears each and every 41 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 5: week he dominates the game in jim sports scheme where 42 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 5: we've really seen him showcase. He has taking his game up. 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 5: But this is a remarkable player. He's one of the 44 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 5: best players that we've seen in a long time. He 45 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 5: might be the best player at his position, and that's 46 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 5: saying a lot given the pass rushers that are in 47 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 5: this league. 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and that was a no brainer, right, 49 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 7: I mean that felt like that that pick had consensus. 50 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 7: And I know you were talking about the production with Barnett 51 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 7: and kind of comparing that, but it felt like projecting 52 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 7: his pros. I mean, you just felt like Garrett was 53 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 7: going to be the one, and I think we even 54 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 7: talked about it. You know, in terms of gold jacket 55 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 7: players in a draft class, Miles Garrett certainly had that build, 56 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 7: his frame, his athleticism, it's all just freakish. I think 57 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 7: the way that Jim Schwartz is kind of helping him 58 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 7: continue to unlock and find the best ways to attack 59 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 7: opposing offenses. Man, that's a heck of a combination. And 60 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 7: the Browns are going to be in a real good 61 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 7: position to find their way into the postseason because of it. 62 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that one's a no brainer. I think 63 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: that was the right pick. It's exceeded expectations. He's on 64 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame track, which is what you hope. 65 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: I remember Dave Gettelman saying the year they picked Sakuon Barkley, 66 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: when you pick up in the top five, you don't 67 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: want to start, you don't want to Pro Bowl, or 68 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: you want a gold jacket guy. And I think Miles 69 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: Garrett is definitely on that track. The next one, twenty eighteen, 70 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: we have Bradley Chubb. And to kind of refresh you 71 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: on that draft and pulled it up right here twenty eighteen, 72 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: So that was Baker Mayfield, Saquon Barkley, Sam Darnold, Denzel Ward. 73 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb was five, and then right after him was 74 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: Quentin Nelson and Josh Allen Rokwan Smith. Those are the 75 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: next couple picks. But rhtt when you look at Bradley Chubb, 76 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: he's been traded. Obviously they got their money back with 77 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: what they gotten compensation from the Miami Dolphins. But just 78 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: your take on Bradley Chubb, has he've been as good 79 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: as advertised? 80 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 7: I would kind of say as advertised, right, I don't 81 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 7: think it's been better than advertised. 82 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: And I certainly don't think it's been worse. 83 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 7: Although you know, you think if you are as advertised, 84 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 7: and if you were, you know, at a premier position 85 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 7: and you're drafted in the top five, that man, your 86 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 7: team's not gonna want to let you go. Now, I 87 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 7: know you talked about getting the value back and there's 88 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 7: been some extenuating circumstances, but the way have transpired in Denver. 89 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 7: But I think I'd be hard pressed at this time 90 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 7: to say that like he's had, you know, a Miles 91 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 7: Garrett type exceeding expectation run so far in his career. 92 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 7: I guess that's still possible. And look, I think you 93 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 7: know now you know he's got a great opportunity to 94 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 7: play with a number of really good defenders up front 95 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 7: for the Dolphins. 96 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: That could only help what he brings to the table. 97 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 5: Buck, Yeah, it can only help what he brings to 98 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 5: the table. You would like to see him dominate to 99 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 5: the level as you see at Miles Garrett. But he's 100 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 5: looking he's been a really good player. You want to 101 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 5: see more of that. The Dolphins will need more of 102 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 5: that if they're going to be the team that they want. 103 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 5: But in terms of his physicality, toughness, his ability to 104 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 5: come off to age. Remember he also had a knee 105 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 5: injury that kind of slowed him down. He's still working 106 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 5: his way back into the form that we've seen him 107 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 5: play previously. If he gets back to that level, you 108 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 5: certainly are please with everything that he's delivered as a 109 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 5: top pick. 110 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look to me, I think it's maybe 111 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: as advertised, if not, maybe a little less. Mean he's 112 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: missed time. I mean, you buck, you touched on the injuries. 113 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: He's missed a good amount of time during his career. 114 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: He has one double digit sack season, which his first, 115 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: So he's been good. I don't think he I definitely 116 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: don't think he's exceeded expectations and maybe, you know, maybe 117 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: a little bit below expectations. We don't need to spend 118 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: a long time on twenty nineteen with Cleif Farrell. 119 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 4: I mean that was a miss. 120 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: I think we've documented that a bunch on here over 121 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: the years. He was you know, he was somebody was 122 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: not rated that highly and then just and just went 123 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: higher than he should. And he's been a little bit 124 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: better here since he's changed teams, but not not worth 125 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: a top five pick. Quinn Williams buck the third pick 126 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: in that draft. In twenty nineteen, you have Nick Bosa. 127 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: We can combine those together. But Quinn Williams and Bosa, 128 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: they've both been paid. They were both top three picks 129 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: in the same draft class. And man, they feel like 130 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: home runs. 131 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, they do feel like home runs. 132 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 5: And I would say Quinn Williams was more of the 133 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 5: mystery at the position because Quinn Williams was a backup 134 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 5: player early in Alabama really just had that one season 135 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 5: of production before he ended the draft, and so you 136 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 5: wanted is he a one year wonder or will he 137 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 5: be the dominant player that he has become with the 138 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 5: New York Jets. The thing about Williams that's really most 139 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 5: impressive is the last two seasons, he is really taking 140 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 5: his game up and notch in terms of his pass rusher, 141 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 5: his pass for skills, his disruption, playing harder, with more effort, 142 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 5: more energy, and really more dominance on a down by 143 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 5: down basis. And because of that, he's kind of the 144 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 5: point on the sword when it comes to this defense. 145 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 5: Dominant player inside, and we've talked about the league is 146 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 5: now where instead of having two outside rushers, you want 147 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 5: a dominant rusher outside and somebody inside. Quentin Williams feels 148 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 5: to build as the prototype into your rusher that every 149 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 5: defense wants. 150 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 7: And I think, you know, for Quentin Williams, I think 151 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 7: I have an even greater appreciation for what he's done 152 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 7: because they think the first you know, year or two 153 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 7: that he was in the league, you're kind of like, hmm, 154 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 7: are we going to get there? 155 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 6: Is? 156 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 7: Is it going to come? Is that potential that he 157 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 7: has going to develop into production? And I think certainly 158 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 7: since Robert Sala has come in as head coach and 159 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 7: the way that they end up using him in the interior, 160 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 7: is it just. 161 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 3: An absolute force disruptor. 162 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 7: You know, obviously he's worked, you know, his butt off 163 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 7: to get to this point and uh, and now it's 164 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 7: all coming together and and so I mean that is 165 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 7: an absolute home run. 166 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: Of a pick there, uh for sure. 167 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 7: And I think it kind of tells you, you know, 168 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 7: you get the right pieces around, the right coaching, the 169 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 7: right development, and you can still the right mindset and 170 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 7: a player and he's got that that will to get better. 171 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 7: You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna see that production. So 172 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 7: for sure exceeded expectation. 173 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with him and Bosa, those are easy 174 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: and I'll you know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist 175 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: to watch either of those defenses play and see those 176 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: are the center pieces for those teams and two of 177 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: the best defenses in the NFL. 178 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: At that all right, now, it gets tricky. 179 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 180 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: If we're going kind of I'm put on my paper 181 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: here plus minus or zero. So a zero means we're 182 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: just leveling out. They meet expectations, haven't been better, haven't 183 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: been worse. H Miles Garrett is a plus. Bradley Chubb, 184 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: we're gonna say is a zero. Uh, Cleveland Farrell is 185 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: a minus. Then we've got a plus with with Quinn 186 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: Williams a plus with Nick Bosa. 187 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: Guys. 188 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: I think Chase young just because even though he's onto 189 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: a good start on his way to a double digit 190 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: sack year and a walk here, his fifth option was 191 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: not picked up for what the expectation was. I think 192 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: that was clearly of all of these. You know, Clean 193 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: Ferrell's in his own category, but the expectations for Chase. 194 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 4: Young Man they have not been Matt buck. 195 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 6: No, they've not been met. 196 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 5: And you know there are questions with him coming out 197 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 5: about the work ethic and the desire and all those 198 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 5: other things, and so you just kind of wonder what's 199 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: going on in their building because the fact that they 200 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 5: decided not to pick up his fifth year option despite 201 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: some of the success that he had early his career, 202 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 5: to me, is quite telling. I'm not surprised though, in 203 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 5: a money year, a contract year, after being snub like that, 204 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 5: that he's playing to the level that he's played this year. 205 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 5: The thing about it the difference between good and great. 206 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 5: The great guys bring it each and every week. We 207 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 5: haven't seen that from Chase Young consistently throughout his career, 208 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 5: which is why it is a little disappointing when you 209 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 5: take someone debt hot that they haven't given you that 210 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 5: kind of performance and that kind of production. 211 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's I don't think there's any 212 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: question on that one. This next s grip, we're going 213 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: to put them together here and we can go through 214 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: all three. I think all three, I'll say two of 215 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: the three we have been absolutely as advertised. Cavon Thibodeau, 216 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: I think even you know, been a little bit better. 217 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: I think you're starting to see him starting to get 218 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: things figured out. He's played well he's been disruptive. Aiden 219 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 2: Hudginson has been a home run for where they you 220 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: know what they did there and where they got him 221 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: home run plus Noe, no question. I think we're all 222 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: on the same page with those two. Trayvon Walker is 223 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: a weird one because you could look at the stats 224 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: and sack production and say, oh, you know, maybe this 225 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: has been a disappointment. But Buck, I think he's been 226 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: exactly who we said he was going to be. He's 227 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: been a dominant run defender, and he's been a little 228 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: bit more of a disruptor than somebody who's been ultra 229 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: productive as a pass rusher. He was taken, obviously with 230 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 2: the first pick, so you know there's expectations that come 231 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: with the first pick. 232 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: But for what we evaluated. 233 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: Him as, I think he's been exactly what we thought 234 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: he was going to be. 235 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I've tried to say this whenever I had 236 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: to talk about him down in Jacksonville. To me, he's 237 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 5: more of a Jadavian clowning type than anything else. And 238 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 5: would you say being clowny The conversation has always been about, Yeah, 239 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 5: but the sack production is in this. But you're talking 240 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 5: about a guy who's been an All Pro player, I 241 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 5: mean a Pro Bowl player due to his ability to 242 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 5: disrupt the run game. Trayvon Walker is about as big 243 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 5: as as physical as you will find as a guy 244 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 5: that says the edge against the run, he disrupts, he 245 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 5: runs it down from behind. And even though the sack 246 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 5: production isn't what you want, the Jaguars are one of 247 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 5: the top run defenses because of what he does on 248 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 5: the edge and the physicality the toughness that he's added 249 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 5: to that defense. Yeah, you want more for a guy 250 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: that's number one overall, But I can't sit here and 251 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 5: say he's a disappointment. He's just a different style edge 252 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 5: plate that has gone number one than what we're used 253 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 5: to seeing. Normally, we're seeing guys that get sacks in bunches. 254 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 6: He's not that guy. But he's very effective for what 255 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 6: the Jaguars are asking him to do on the. 256 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 7: Edge well, And I think that's an important part of 257 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 7: the conversation, right because you know, our expectation is one thing, 258 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 7: But where is he in terms of what the. 259 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: Jags actually expected from him? 260 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 7: Did they expect him to be a fifteen sack guy 261 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 7: as a number one overall pick? Did they expect him 262 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 7: to be the guy you know opposite you know, Josh 263 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 7: Allen at times that could you know, get home and 264 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 7: be that absolute disruptor off the edge, you know, against 265 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 7: tackles or or is he giving them exactly what they 266 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 7: hoped that he was going to? So I think you know, 267 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 7: and Bucky you probably know better than all of us here, 268 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 7: but that to me kind of frames the discussion on 269 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 7: Trayvon Walker because you know, if we're talking about hitting 270 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 7: doubles with first round picks and obviously number one, you 271 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 7: you know, you'd like to squeeze a triple out of 272 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 7: that thing or maybe hit a home run. But but yeah, 273 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 7: I do you know what I do feel like like 274 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 7: Aiden Hutchinson know has not only exceeded our expectation, perhaps 275 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 7: from the external side, but but he is exactly what 276 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 7: the Lions wanted and I think production wise, has maybe 277 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 7: given them even more than they expected. 278 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: Early on in his career. 279 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 7: You want to talk about home runs and fitting the 280 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 7: mentality of a coach and a and a franchise and 281 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 7: giving you know, I mean, I don't know if there's 282 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 7: a player you know that maybe you shouldn't say it 283 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 7: that way, but man, a hunter per effort all the 284 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 7: time and elite athleticism and pass rush skills. I mean, 285 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 7: he's stuffing the stat sheet in other categories too. He's 286 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 7: an absolute star. 287 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you as a home run pick and yeah, look, 288 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: I know Trayvon Walker's been a good player in terms 289 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: of what he does against the run and what was 290 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: kind of what they're looking for. They should have taken 291 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson. He would have been a real difference maker 292 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 2: on the opposite side of Josh Allen. I don't think 293 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: I'm standing out of balance to say that Will Anderson 294 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: has one sack. He's the first overall pick from twenty 295 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: twenty three, but he's played well. He's been very disruptive. 296 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: He doesn't have the sack total. I would put him 297 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: kind of in that as expected line. I don't think 298 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: he's exceeded that, but he's been really solid, even though 299 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: the sack numbers aren't great. So when you look at 300 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: this list, the point I want to get to here 301 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: is a pretty high batting average for guys at that position. 302 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: Defensive lineman drafted in the top five. Cleveland Ferrell stands 303 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: out as the one who is just a miss. But 304 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: you know, outside of that, and Chase Young, you know, 305 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: has been injuries probably more than anything else. But those 306 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: are the ones you would look at and say, man, 307 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: there's maybe some regret there with those two picks. But 308 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: all the rest of these guys have been at least 309 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 2: as advertised, if not above what the expectations were. So 310 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: I think it's interesting when you look at hit rates 311 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: at different positions up top bucket. I don't know that 312 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: we should be surprised, but this translates, we say, at 313 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: the production, the athleticism, what you see in college at 314 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: that position, and you take a guy up there, it 315 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: usually translates pretty well. 316 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 6: Yeah it does. 317 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 5: We haven't seen any we haven't seen many egregious misses. 318 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 5: You talked about Ferrell. But outside of that, if we're 319 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 5: taking the pass rush in the top five, they've all 320 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 5: have hit. They've all had some kind of impact, whether 321 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 5: as a pass rusher or as they run defended. It 322 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 5: gives you some of that splash production. You love that, 323 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 5: and it looked it's a sign of the times. We 324 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 5: talked about this being a passing league where we build 325 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 5: the teams around the four p's passers, pass rushers, playmakers, 326 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 5: and pass protectors. Those are the guys that should come 327 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 5: off the board in the first round, and we're seeing 328 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 5: those pass rushers. They deserve to come to board in 329 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 5: the top five because they are the most impactful players. 330 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 5: When it comes to disrupting the most impactful player of 331 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 5: the quarterback, they have the biggest impact. You got to 332 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 5: have the pass rushers to get it done. 333 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: And as we've said many times on here, it's not 334 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: a secret that if you look at the best defenses 335 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: in the NFL, several of them are anchored by these 336 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: guys on this list. Their premiere, premier players at premier positions, 337 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: and they help lead some of the most dominant defenses 338 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: in the NFL. All right, let's take quick break. We'll 339 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: come back. We've got a little more work to do here. 340 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to look at the Thursday night game between 341 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: the Bucks and the Bills right after this. 342 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone's Scott Hansen here, and this is NFL Plus, 343 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: where you can catch every play all in one place. 344 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: You get access to live, local and primetime games on 345 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: your mobile phone and tablet. That's every in market game 346 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: with you on the go. 347 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 6: I never knew that the team. 348 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and here's my favorite part. 349 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: You can stream NFL Red Zone live every Sunday. 350 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: What are you waiting for. 351 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: Same time, baby lend go to Plus dot NFL dot 352 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: com sign up today. 353 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: All right, we got a big Thursday night game here, 354 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: a game that I don't want to say must win, 355 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: but got leave the Buffalo Bills after what we saw 356 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: last week against sin Wa Patriots. They have got to 357 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: bounce back at home against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The 358 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: Bucks come in at three and three. The Bills, I 359 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: would say a disappointing four and three buck when you 360 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: look at him. I know what we talked earlier in 361 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: the week about the you know, the disappointment and how 362 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: they played and what went wrong against the Patriots. But 363 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: what needs to go right on this short week for 364 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: them to get back into one column. 365 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 5: It has to be about whatever you need to do 366 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 5: to unlock Josh Allen. We can talk about playing conferentory 367 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 5: football in those things. In these moments, DJ is about 368 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 5: giving the ball to your best players and letting your 369 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 5: best players had the biggest impact on the game. Josh 370 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 5: Allen is unquestionably one of the top quarterbacks international Football League. 371 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 5: He can do a bunch of things with his legs, 372 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 5: and arm when now us on Kim dorrisy to make 373 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 5: sure that he puts Josh Allen in the position to 374 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 5: do things that are very comfortable for him. 375 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 6: To me, this is a Josh Allen game plan. 376 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 5: Josh, what do you like? How much do you want 377 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 5: to run? What big plays do you think are available 378 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 5: out there? All right, let's do it, because this is 379 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 5: a must win for the Buffalo Bills, not necessarily for 380 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 5: them to stay in the race, but for their confidence. 381 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 5: If they're going to be a team that believed that 382 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 5: they can compete for a title, they have to be 383 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 5: able to knock the tempt Buccaneers on the box in 384 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 5: a Prome time game. 385 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I kind of feel like this is 386 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 7: this is a game where, you know, we really need 387 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 7: to to kind of take a look at where the 388 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 7: Bills are with Ken Dorsey running this offense, you know, 389 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 7: the last couple of years now, since you know, Brian 390 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 7: Dabole has been gone, and it's just kind of felt 391 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 7: like the rhythmic nature of the way that the Bills 392 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 7: used to operate and obviously, yeah, they were explosive and 393 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 7: they take shots down the field, and they still do 394 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 7: that to a certain extent. But it just kind of 395 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 7: feels like there's something disjointed with the way that the 396 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 7: Bills offense has been run the last couple of years, 397 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 7: which is amounted to Josh Allen and you know, at 398 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 7: certain points in games trying to feel like he's got 399 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 7: to put it on himself to go out and generate 400 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 7: those victories and find that winning edge, and you know 401 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 7: a lot of times that hasn't worked out for him. 402 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 7: So I just feel like consistently, we just have not 403 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 7: seen enough from this Bills offense in terms of the 404 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 7: way that they want to attack and the way that 405 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 7: they're structured to go out there and you know, and 406 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 7: find winning football. So I think this will be a 407 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 7: this will be a big test for him to kind 408 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 7: of figure that out against a pretty darn good defense. 409 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah it is a good defense, but man, I'm I 410 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: keep hearing people talk about the Bills in balance and 411 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: you got to run the ball, and we've got to 412 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: try and take some of that pressure off Josh Allen. 413 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: I have the opposite approach. I would like to see 414 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: a game and this one where they script the first 415 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: fifteen let's go, let's just throw the ball fifteen times 416 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: in a row. To start the game. Let's get back 417 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 2: in the gun. Let's get Josh Allen back in that 418 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: kind of attacking mode here, you know, go empty, get 419 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: the ball out of his hands, like, just get some 420 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: get some tempo, get some rhythm, and just say I 421 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 2: would just say, Hey, we're gonna come out, We're gonna 422 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: chuck it. We're gonna come out and throw the football. 423 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: We're gonna put it on Josh Allen. Let's stop worrying 424 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: about turning over. Let's stop worrying about having balance. You're 425 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: one of the elite players in this league. Go out 426 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: there and win us a football game. We're better our guys, 427 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: even though it's a good defense with Tampa, our guys 428 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: are better than their guys. That's what I want to 429 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: see from the Buffalo side of things, and then from 430 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: the Tampa side of things, Buck, I want to see him. Look, 431 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: you might as well just try and sell out and 432 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: go get them. Play aggressive. That's when you're out your best. 433 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: Play aggressive, dial it up and go after him. 434 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 6: What I hear from you, DJ is players not plays. 435 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 5: Put the ball in the hands of your best player, 436 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 5: who is Josh Allen, and let him go to work. 437 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 5: When you talk about going empty packages and shotgun and 438 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 5: a Josh, go do your thing. That's what you're encourage 439 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 5: him to do. Hey man, we can't do this by 440 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 5: just drawing it up and then diagrams. Josh, we need 441 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 5: you to be the superhero that you've been for us 442 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 5: for so many years. Let's go and might not. This 443 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 5: will not only energize Josh Allen, but it could mean 444 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 5: more production for Stefan Diggs because you know, if Josh 445 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 5: Allen is throwing it the first fifteen plays number fourteen, 446 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 5: he's going to get a handful of those. He is 447 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 5: going to get going and that's going to energize the 448 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 5: entire offense. Sometimes as coaches we make it way too complex. 449 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 5: My players are better than your players. I'm gonna give 450 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 5: it to my best players over and over again, and 451 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 5: at some point they're gonna take it over. That's football, 452 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 5: and that's the way that the Buffalo Bills have to 453 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 5: do it. Keep it simple, give it to the players, 454 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 5: let them go win it. 455 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 7: Didn't We do that last year though, didn't and that's 456 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 7: that we ended up with seventeen interceptions. 457 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 4: Second, I'm just hold on, I'm not trying. 458 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: To there's a lot of red zone goofs in that 459 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: last year. 460 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: All Right, that's who he is. 461 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 4: I like, that's how we play. 462 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: Like you think you put the governor on Josh Allen, 463 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 2: you're gonna get the best Josh Allen. 464 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 4: I don't no. 465 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 7: I look, shoot, I'd love to see it because I different, truly, 466 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 7: I mean I'd love to see it. 467 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 3: I mean like, isn't there a way that we can 468 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: we can kind of structure this out. 469 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 7: A bit where it, you know, it just feels a 470 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 7: little bit more nuanced, you know, perhaps for for Buffalo. 471 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 7: So I'm not saying that they got to start running 472 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 7: the football more. I'm just saying like, there's just it 473 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 7: feels like a collection of pieces instead of you know, 474 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 7: a a steady diet of plays. 475 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, let's chuck out. 476 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 6: I got this. 477 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 5: You know what, you know what DJ, you know what 478 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 5: Red knees, Redney's, the coaches, the little guys in a 479 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 5: little flag football, because what HTT is doing. He's talking about, Hey, 480 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 5: everybody get a little ball and everybody do this, and 481 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 5: it would Rett would do with a bunch of seven 482 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 5: and eight year olds real quickly. After three weeks, Hey, guys, 483 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 5: y'all get the ball every time. Everybody else Black can 484 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 5: get out all the way. Let's go loose because that's 485 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 5: what this is. 486 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 7: Okay, Hey, that's true, he says, forty targets. 487 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: Why not? 488 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: The only problem is the only problem is Buck is. 489 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: Rett's a nicer guy. As I've told many times, I've 490 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: played seven on seven against Redd at the Passing Academy, 491 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 2: and while I was playing the same kid at quarterback 492 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 2: and making him throw to the same kid at white 493 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: they single snapping, going up and down. 494 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 4: The everybody a whole opportunity. You get to play, You 495 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 4: get to play over here. Hey, you play some you know, 496 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 4: you play some quarterback for us. 497 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: He's too nice of a guy. He's too nice of 498 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: a guy. Right, that's your problem. You're just too dang nice. 499 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: That's why I'm untradable. 500 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 6: That's right, true, true. 501 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 2: Well again, you're a guy to look out for that 502 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: game Thursday night. I'll see if the Buffalo Bills have 503 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: a get right game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. All right, 504 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: that's gonna do it for us. Appreciate you guys hanging 505 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: with us, and we will see you next time. 506 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: Right here on movement sticks,