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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I hope my stuff. I never told you production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Quick content warning. We are going to be talking about death, suicide,

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Speaker 2: and the grief that surrounds that. Nothing is too explicit,

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Speaker 2: but it is at the foundation of the book we're

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Speaker 2: talking about, so just keep that in mind. And today

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Speaker 2: we are talking about a relatively newish book, So spoilers,

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Speaker 2: go get it. I recommend it highly. But yes, we

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Speaker 2: are digging into the twenty eighteen novel Undead Girl Gang

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Speaker 2: by Lily Anderson. It's a dark horror ish comedy ish

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Speaker 2: mystery that is told from the point of view of

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Speaker 2: Mila Flores, an angry, fat Mexican American teen witch who

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Speaker 2: decides it's to take matters into her own hands after

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Speaker 2: her friend Riley's mysterious death is dismissed as suicide, despite

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Speaker 2: the recent deaths of two popular students Dayton in June

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Speaker 2: whose deaths are also ruled a suicide. So a lot

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Speaker 2: of kind of loosen's. One of the things is her

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Speaker 2: friend Riley like to dye her hair.

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Speaker 3: There were just a lot of reasons why Miela was like,

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Speaker 3: this is not this is not what happened. This is

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Speaker 3: not what happened.

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Speaker 2: So Mila uses her powers and she raises these girls

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Speaker 2: from the dead and together if they get to the

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Speaker 2: bottom of what happened. So, I mean, if that plot

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Speaker 2: alone hasn't pulled you in, I don't know what thinking.

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Speaker 1: This needs to be like a CW series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so good.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Yeah, who hasn't who's not a bought the

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Speaker 1: rice to this? Because this needs to be a series asap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw.

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Speaker 2: I saw some rumors that it was going to be

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Speaker 2: adapted live action, but I didn't. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it went beyond like someone should do this, but I

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Speaker 2: did see some talk that it might happen, which would

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Speaker 2: be cool.

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Speaker 3: It would be really cool.

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Speaker 2: All right, So let us break down the plot. But again,

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Speaker 2: if you don't want to be spoiled, this is a

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Speaker 2: really fun one, go go read it, come back, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So Mila Flores is a witch, largely through the influence

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Speaker 2: of her best friend Riley, who lives above a funeral home.

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Speaker 2: They live in a small town called Cross Creek, and

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Speaker 2: they go to school together. Both are picked on by

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Speaker 2: popular kids Dayton and June. Meela has a crush on Xander,

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Speaker 2: Riley's brother. Seemingly without any morning signs, Dayton and June

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Speaker 2: are found hanging from their necks in what is deemed

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Speaker 2: death is labeled as a suicide too. Meela is furious

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Speaker 2: if she feels that the deaths might be connected and

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Speaker 2: spell that will resurrect Riley for seven days, a spell

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Speaker 2: she discovered in a grimoire mysteriously delivered to the abandoned

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Speaker 2: work in. She also steals an ingredient from a local witch,

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Speaker 2: is wary of any spell that would bring back the dead,

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Speaker 2: believing that it must be dark and dangerous in nature,

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Speaker 2: so she does not approve of this whole venture. Meela

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Speaker 2: confident that their death warrant suicide. They also can't go

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Speaker 2: scholarship becomes a big factor in who they're considering. This

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Speaker 2: Xander claims that he thinks Mila just messed up the

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Speaker 2: He knocks Anaya out and continues to assert that Mila

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Speaker 1: You got that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's a really fun read. It is.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I think when I think about books

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Speaker 1: one of those original concepts. I'm like, yes, it's juicy,

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Speaker 1: whether or not you figured it out pretty quickly, were

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's sad to have to say a body

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Speaker 3: To keep anyway.

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Speaker 1: Great book, Great book A plus.

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Speaker 2: It was very sad that that part was a real

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Speaker 2: But that's how the book opens is Mila is at

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Speaker 2: same way they watch Lifetime movies or read Nicholas Spark's

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Speaker 2: No one who sent these flowers cares about Riley at all. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: X quote from fictional hangover. Unfortunately, the school choir, which

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Speaker 1: There's so many things so that the selfie, which Riley

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Speaker 2: and shaming in general. So here's a quote from Mela

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00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: and for's sake, stop using normal as code for white.

438
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: I snap, your life isn't the ruler that the rest

439
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: of the world gets measured against. I never said that,

440
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: it was, June says stiffly. My face goes hot as

441
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: I think of all the reasons that June has ever

442
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: made fun of me. I'm brown and she's not I'm

443
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: fat and she's not. I'm wicking, shorter than her, live

444
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: on a different side of town, drive an older car,

445
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: prefer cocover pepsi, and on any given day when she

446
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: was alive, she found a way to make me feel

447
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 2: ashamed of that. Yep, and here's another quote. It's kind

448
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: of cool to talk to someone who gets how absolutely

449
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: tragically white this town is, and someone else who self

450
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: identifies as fat, who isn't using fat as a code

451
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: for ugly or you I ate a big meal. Even

452
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 2: Riley has only ever called me kurvy, no matter how

453
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: many times I correct her. So at the end of

454
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: the book, when she befriends Anaya, who is a fat

455
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: black girl, they have these commonalities and things that they

456
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: can bond over. Another thing is identity and language. So

457
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: Miila has a whole scene about not being able. She

458
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: doesn't feel confident in speaking Spanish, which I thought because

459
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: she's her family situation is very interesting because it kind

460
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: of felt like they were not around much.

461
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: They were definitely controlling in like they yeah, did not

462
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: understand her and wish she was different. And a part

463
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: of that is religion, Like she wasn't wicked until much later,

464
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: but like they were very horrified, just kind of like

465
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: Riley's parents that that idea existed in their kids, which

466
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, I think that happens especially as millennials who

467
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: if you went through any type phase, whether that was

468
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: emo or whatever whatnot, the parents got very concerned.

469
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay said this might.

470
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: Be on that note, But I do find it interesting

471
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: with the language part specifically too, because as where Mila

472
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: never practiced, and it was kind of a shame thing

473
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: once again because she was being made fun of for

474
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: all the differences and her being brown, her being Latina

475
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 1: was one of those differences that got made fun of.

476
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: Then she has white girl June who studies Spanish to

477
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: speak it pretty well, and she's like, you know, the

478
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: difference in reality is that a white person who learns

479
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: a language is praised. They're like, oh my god, it's

480
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: so great, Like there may but if you're a person

481
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: of color who was from that ethnicity and you do it,

482
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: there's so much racist connotations latched onto you. So I

483
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: did find that interesting in that level because I know

484
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: a lot of first generation, second generation kids, refugees and

485
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: immigrants don't learn their languages because whether it's their parents

486
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: telling them not to because they need to speak English

487
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: and learn English and adapt, or whether it's their self

488
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: hating or even just laziness, I mean, or just because

489
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: it's not something that was important at that point. Like

490
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: I've seen that as a thing as well. So I

491
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 1: feel like, even though it's a very big, small blip,

492
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: it felt like that difference was there for a reason,

493
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, especially in this moment, because she's bringing them

494
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: into her world, her side of the literally her side

495
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: of the you know, train tracks like this is the

496
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: grocery stores that I know of, and this is where

497
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: it's available, and then let me take you to the

498
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: restaurant that I love. And when you know, she was like,

499
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: we've already had burritos. She's like, nah, no, that's not

500
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: what you were eating here. You know, this is authentic,

501
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh damn, it's good.

502
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 3: Like that.

503
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: That was very much that scene that I love to

504
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: see because I feel like any person of ethnicity they

505
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: know this level of like being shamed into welcoming them

506
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: and also the comparisons.

507
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh absolutely.

508
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the point where yeah, you and

509
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: I discussed we did, guess it was Xander yeah, yeah,

510
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: I I've told you. I was like, I think it.

511
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: I was completely confident with him, but I was almost

512
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: like so common. I was like, is it gonna Yeah? Yeah,

513
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: I read that in a lot of reviews I saw,

514
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: but they weren't negative.

515
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: They were just like edge.

516
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of felt like that part was obvious,

517
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: like the rest was really good.

518
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, So we've got this theme of revenge.

519
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: And also I would say like the nice guy, because

520
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: Xander is painted as a very He's nice, he really

521
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: misses his sister, he wants to get to know me.

522
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: A little better.

523
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: He's presented as this nice guy persona which we have

524
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: learned to be warriy of.

525
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 3: To be wary. Yes, so I like this quote from him.

526
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: So this is at the very end, when the house

527
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: is burning. Miela has come back and he thinks that

528
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: she's gonna stay with him as the house burns. I

529
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: love you, he sniffles, I've always loved you. I would

530
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: kill for you. And the awful thing is that he

531
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: means it literally. He could fix my life the way

532
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: he fixed his and Riley's. He would stab or strangle

533
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: or poison anyone who hurt me. Toby Doctor Miller the

534
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: nouns my parents, my sisters, then you can die for me,

535
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: and that's when she kills him. I love that because

536
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: I've talked about this before. I totally get it.

537
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: But one of my.

538
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: Pet peeve tropes is romanticizing of this of the guy

539
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: being like, I'll kill anyone you and you're like.

540
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: I don't so much.

541
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: I mean, she would also kill me, so I'm a little.

542
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: But again, I get it.

543
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: It bothers me in a lot of context, but I

544
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: do get that.

545
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: But I liked that here it was kind of addressed.

546
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: It's like, ah, that's kind of a problem.

547
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Right, You're you're sociopath the psychopathe Okay, but I think

548
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: that's where we get The difference is with Riley being

549
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: the one, like she ended up ultimately dying trying to

550
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: get those answers and trying to excuse Xander and then

551
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: even hiding things after the fact that she figured everything

552
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: out again and she really was trying to use that excuse,

553
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: hiding him, lying for him because she hoped that that

554
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: was it. But in understanding she started to figure out, no,

555
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: but that doesn't end. He's gonna keep killing if it

556
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: means he feels threatened. Yeah, yeah, which is why she

557
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: was okay with.

558
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: Brother on his He's got to go.

559
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: That's where we're at, which I do appreciate too, because

560
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: you can tell she was struggling with it. But then

561
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: I will ultimately was you know what, I want to

562
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: save my friend. I got my undead friends. He's got

563
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: to go.

564
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

565
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: I also wanted to point out because one of my

566
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: favorite books we've ever done on book Club is Mexican

567
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: Gothic that also featured mushrooms as a horror element, and

568
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: this one did too.

569
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, yeah, I still love him. Oh,

570
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't eat him from the woods. I'm not

571
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: smart enough to figure out what's not poisons or what is.

572
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: So I just brought to me in a bag.

573
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: I was walking along today and I saw this huge

574
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: thing of mushrooms and they looked like in of the wood.

575
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: I would never eat him, don't do it. No, never.

576
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: But I had a moment of like, I should take

577
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: a picture of this and see if someone could identify.

578
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: By it for me, because it was a lot of money.

579
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: Well.

580
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: Another theme paganism and witches and religion. There is a

581
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: lot of discussion around this. One of the things that's

582
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: reiterated throughout the book is gratefulness. So Riley and Mila

583
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: always say being a witches about gratefulness, that you're kind

584
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: of grateful for what you can get out of the universe.

585
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: It's not something you kind of expect, you're grateful. Here's

586
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: a quote, Wika doesn't mind if you work in metaphor.

587
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: Wicka never minded that Riley and I didn't really know

588
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: what we were doing. The only eventful deity in witchcraft

589
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: is yourself. Do badge get badge, do good? Get good?

590
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Or be like me and Riley and do almost nothing

591
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: but giggle over in SnSe and get perfumed smoke in

592
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: your nose in return. And here's another one. Spells are

593
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: just prayers with more steps and a name that scares people.

594
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: Toby's voice floats through my head. Any book that purports

595
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: to have the answer to death isn't Wicca. I'll tell

596
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: you that much. This is some dark I wonder if

597
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 2: she'll ever do a sequel because I was curious about

598
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: I was curious about that they kind of explained the grim.

599
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: War and where it came from.

600
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: But right, not really, but I don't like how did

601
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: Riley find it? Did I miss that part?

602
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: I thought.

603
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: I thought Xanderson it to her, but I don't know clearly.

604
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: I would like some more answers about where this.

605
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: I guess I missed that part because I was like,

606
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: how did it get there?

607
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been. I think you're right. I

608
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: think it was Riley. Maybe I just had a suspicion

609
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: it was Xander, and I was.

610
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know, like the whole explanation of her

611
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: aliases using fictional witch characters, and it was a fictional

612
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: witch character that had or historical one of the two.

613
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: So that's how it came. But I was trying to

614
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: figure out where Riley found it even and.

615
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: Why she found it.

616
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: I would be into a sequel. Oh yes, speaking of

617
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: that's another theme older versus younger generations in here. So

618
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: you have Toby and kind of her coven and how

619
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: they go about things and how they think things should work, and.

620
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: Then you have Mila and Riley and.

621
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: Just seeing those differences and then at the end having

622
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: them kind of form an alliance or at least, you know,

623
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: not be all out fighting on there.

624
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: I love that the other older coven bent, but people

625
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: were telling on each other, like you've made mistakes too.

626
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't raising the dead, but but you know,

627
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: but you know what you did quiet so like it

628
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: is something.

629
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: I liked that too.

630
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: I liked that too, and I always kind of I'm

631
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: happy when stories include that of the younger versus older

632
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: generations and how it's changed.

633
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: And then lastly, obviously friendship.

634
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: Major theme impetus for this whole story is Mila wanting

635
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: to do right by her best friend Riley and wanting

636
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: to belong. All of them really want to belong, and

637
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: it is you know, reading it, I did have flashbacks

638
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: of being in high school and all those kind of

639
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: cliques and the drama and having that best friend or

640
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: having that person that you you could get away from

641
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: that with. So it was really well written in that

642
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: regard to of I remember that, and I remember being

643
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: assigned the partner in anatomy that you're like, why did

644
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: you put me with him?

645
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: Everything?

646
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: I think that we all chose our own partners. It

647
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: was never a thing.

648
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: I got to sign my legitimate bully. Yes, yeah, unfortunately

649
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: for him.

650
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: Unfortunately for him, uh.

651
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: He well, he was in my he was on my turf.

652
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: Then he bullied me in another class where I was

653
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: in his turf. I was the oldest in the whole class.

654
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 2: He was younger than me, but in this class, he

655
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: was the youngest in the whole class. So everybody else

656
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Speaker 2: in there was my friends and he didn't have any friends.

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Speaker 2: And he looked at me and there was fear in

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Speaker 2: his eyes, Samantha, and I was like, it's fine, let's

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Speaker 2: leave him be. So I had.

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Speaker 1: Mercy change his attitude with you in that class, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he had like alid well by then.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I would love to tell this whole story.

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Speaker 2: By then, I had kind of I had gotten out

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Speaker 2: of that class where he was bullied me. And then

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Speaker 2: I won, like I'll say, I won pretty much every

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Speaker 2: award that year, and he was just shamed. He lost

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Speaker 2: everything to me.

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Speaker 3: So I was like.

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Speaker 2: Nope, yeah, and his sister came up and apologized me.

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Speaker 3: It was a whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Wow, But anyway, No, he didn't know and he lived

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Speaker 2: in my neighborhood. To conclude this, the drama, the drama,

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Speaker 2: but I did not I did not pick on him,

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Speaker 2: but I had a moment there was a silence when

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Speaker 2: he was looking at me. I was like, hmm, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to be his partner in anatomy.

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Speaker 1: That's fair.

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think there's so many things when

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Speaker 1: we talk about this fiship because also we got to

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Speaker 1: see a click with the dead versus the undead. There

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Speaker 1: was a moment where Mela's feeling some type of way

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Speaker 1: because she seems like that Riley's walking away from her.

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Speaker 1: But a little bit of that is like Riley being

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Speaker 1: upset that she died, that.

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Speaker 3: That Mila was able to do the spell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she dies, there's a little jealousy in that. And

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Speaker 1: then also like realizing that her death wasn't murder, but

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Speaker 1: like it was an accident as well as by that

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Speaker 1: as her brother. But so many things that they had

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Speaker 1: to work out in seven days as well as have

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Speaker 1: some kind of closure and death. There was a lot

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Speaker 1: even in that small moment.

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Speaker 2: It was and it's not that long of a book,

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Speaker 2: and it packs in it did it packs in quite

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Speaker 2: a bit. I want to end on this final quote.

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Speaker 2: The four of us take one last moment together, The

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00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: urge to rip the grimoar out of Riley's arms and

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Speaker 2: find the recipe for putting off this goodbye is almost

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Speaker 2: too much to bear. But our past are diverging, and

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Speaker 2: all I can do is be grateful that we have

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Speaker 2: this week, that it extorted from the universe.

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Speaker 3: I'm a witch. I'm always grateful. It was. It was

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Speaker 3: really moving, It was really moving.

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Speaker 1: I also gave the dead closure because they were like

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Speaker 1: they were like ready to go since they couldn't return.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like like we said, they had that they

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Speaker 2: saw what their dance led to this, like profiting these

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Speaker 2: bad poems.

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Speaker 3: It's bad singing Dayton sings the song yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have like the goodbye that Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: they actually what they could do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what they could do as well in that moment.

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Speaker 3: But it was bitter. So it was. It was.

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Speaker 2: But I highly I highly recommend it. It's a great

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Speaker 2: read for as we're moving in to Fall. Yeah, absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Zombies, Zombies which class zombies.

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Speaker 3: And marked high school.

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Speaker 1: Mystery. Hello, yeah it's fall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah, so go check it out. I think it's

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Speaker 2: I think it's really fun. In the meantime, if you

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Speaker 2: have any other suggestions for this segment or any thoughts

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