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Speaker 1: Welcome to Real America's Voice. This is Sunday the Road Forward.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us as we discuss the intersection of faith,

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Speaker 1: culture and everyday life. Has always a word of hope

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Speaker 1: and encouragement for you and those you love. I'm doctor

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Speaker 1: Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Our special guest joining

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Speaker 1: us this week. President of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference,

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Speaker 1: Pastor Sam Rodriguez is with us, and she is a

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Speaker 1: clinical and forensic psychologist, trauma and addictions expert. Doctor Shawn A.

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Speaker 1: Anderson is with us. He is the president of NRB

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Speaker 1: the National Religious Broadcasters Association. Troy Miller's with us. She

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Speaker 1: is the founder and president of safe Haven Relationship Counseling

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Speaker 1: Center and Marriage Intensives. Marriage and Family therapist extraordinaire, Doctor

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Speaker 1: Sharon May is with us. Thanks for watching Sworthy Well.

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Speaker 1: The controversies surrounding Bad Bunny Super Bowl performance, It's not

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Speaker 1: going away. Roger Goodell, NFL commissioners said that the platform

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Speaker 1: was to be used to unite people and to be

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Speaker 1: able to bring people together with their creativity. Well so

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Speaker 1: much for that. Because Bad Bunney performed the entire show

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Speaker 1: in Spanish and not in English. Most viewers had no

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Speaker 1: idea what he was really saying. His lyrics, though, were

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Speaker 1: vile and sexually explicit. The song lyrics would have been

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Speaker 1: banned by the FCC if they had been done in English.

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Speaker 1: Members of Congress, they're demanding a formal investigation into what happened. TPUSA,

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Speaker 1: they had a halftime show featuring Kid Rock that sent

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Speaker 1: a message. Who was better? By the way tmz and

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Speaker 1: Entertainment news site asked at social media fans who was

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Speaker 1: better in the Super Bowl halftime show, Bad Money or

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Speaker 1: Kid Rock? About three hundred and almost four hundred thousand votes,

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Speaker 1: there was a clear winner, Kid Rock sixty four point

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Speaker 1: five percent, the Bad Money at thirty five point five percent.

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Speaker 1: Ah the ice and the deportation issue, it's continuing. Vice

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Speaker 1: President Jadvance unleashed on Democrats this week for their violent

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Speaker 1: rhetoric against ice and law enforcement, calling out Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1: by the way by name, saying you have no place

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Speaker 1: in the political conversation in the United States. The Save

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Speaker 1: Act is still in the middle of the media cycles.

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Speaker 1: CNN reported last week national support for voter ID, undercutting

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Speaker 1: Democrat claims that Americans opposed the policy. White voters again

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Speaker 1: eighty five percent want a Latino voters eighty two percent

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Speaker 1: won at Black voters seventy six percent. One everyone's pushing

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Speaker 1: the Save America Act. They want to make a photo

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Speaker 1: id the law here. On the mental health and relationships front,

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Speaker 1: topic that's exploding on the scene right now is parental

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Speaker 1: alienation and estrangement. It's become a really big issue inside

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Speaker 1: of families. Today. We're hearing about people going no contact,

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Speaker 1: ghosting between family members, children, parents, others. We're going to

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about that and how prevalent it is

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Speaker 1: and what we can do. It's also Valentine's Day weekend,

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Speaker 1: the single most shop day of the year. This weekend,

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Speaker 1: sharing a message with those that we love. Americans are

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Speaker 1: projected to spend twenty nine plus billion dollars this year.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's all about love. Hey, In times like these,

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Speaker 1: our hope, our strength comes from the Lord. Here's a

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Speaker 1: great verse to hold on to this week. Second Thessalonians

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Speaker 1: two verses sixteen and seventeen. May our Lord Jesus Christ

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Speaker 1: himself and God the Father who loved us and biased

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Speaker 1: grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope. Encourage your

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Speaker 1: hearts and strengthen you and every good deed and word.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to pray and we're going to get started.

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Speaker 1: God be with us. Got our conversation, Use it for

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Speaker 1: your glory. Thank you for the freedom we have to

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Speaker 1: share the good news and to encourage on another. And

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Speaker 1: thank you for your steadfast love.

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Speaker 2: In our lives. In Jesus' name, Amen, let's get started.

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Speaker 3: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 3: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 3: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Judge Now Samuel Rodriguez. He's the president of the National

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Speaker 1: Spanic Christian Leadership Conference, the world's largest Hispanic Christian organization.

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Speaker 1: He's also a lead pastor at New Season Church in Sacramento, California. Sam,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Great to be aware, my friend Sam.

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Speaker 1: The super Bowl, Hey, the super Bowl? Bad money? Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness, bad money. He was bad. I mean, hey,

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Speaker 1: Roger Goodell, NFL commissioner, hugs on and kisses him. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you know, loving on after the deal, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, come on, Maybe he didn't. Maybe he didn't

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Speaker 1: know what he was singing about or something. I don't know, Sam,

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Speaker 1: But if he did, well, Hey, most of the people did,

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Speaker 1: and he was speaking, he was doing what in Spanish

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Speaker 1: or something? Huh right, you understood what was going on.

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Speaker 4: It's unbelievable, Tim, fairly, fairly okay, Look, Tim, this may

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Speaker 4: be an exclusive here, my friend. I am of Puerto

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Speaker 4: Rican descent. My parents are born to Puerto Rico. So

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Speaker 4: here comes the analysis. He let's break the down what.

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Speaker 2: You said?

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Speaker 4: You you know you you sarcastically but jokingly stated, you know,

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Speaker 4: I understood it parts of it.

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Speaker 2: It's not Spanish. So what he speaks is a very.

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Speaker 4: Uh, let's just say, broken down version of Spanish that

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Speaker 4: has germane specifically to certain segments of and sectors of

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Speaker 2: That it's difficult, and then he muffles it.

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Speaker 4: Now, what really broke me was two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: years of America. Two hundred and fifty years. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean if you would have done in the two hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty first year a five minutes Spanish thing, and

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Speaker 4: that all, I wait might really care?

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Speaker 2: Who cares?

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Speaker 4: But the two hundred the lack of respect for two

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty years of history, Tim, you need to

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Speaker 4: need you need to please help me understand.

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Speaker 2: Roger Goodell, what is his agenda? Like, what's his agenda?

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Speaker 4: Sam?

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Speaker 1: They said it was gonna He said it was gonna

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Speaker 1: unite people.

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Speaker 5: You know, unite people with a language that only forty

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Speaker 5: million of the people actually understand. Three hundred and ten

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Speaker 5: million people look like this, are you ready?

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Speaker 2: That was it? And it's not that they were anti

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Speaker 2: Spanish and anti lot. They didn't understand what they so, No,

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Speaker 2: that was just wrong. It was wrong. Number two, Tim,

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Speaker 2: you made number two.

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Speaker 4: The voice. It was horrific. The sound quality of what

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Speaker 4: he brought for was horrific. Even people that follow him

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Speaker 4: and love him w like, oh that went bad, that

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Speaker 4: went bad, that went adele at the Grammy's bad.

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Speaker 2: That went bad, that went really bad.

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Speaker 4: So across the board, bad Bunny was one big ex

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Speaker 4: But let's go back to Roger Goodell. The majority of

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Speaker 4: owners of the NFL have a conservative worldview.

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Speaker 2: We know that. We did an analysis the.

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Speaker 4: Majority app a if you want to call it conservative faith,

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Speaker 4: family freedom worldview, then why do he tolerate this? Is

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Speaker 4: anyone going to speak up and the owners of the

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Speaker 4: Chiefs who is a believer in Christ? Would he stand

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Speaker 4: up and say like, you know, no, absolutely not something

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Speaker 4: has to happen in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Sam TMZ Entertainment media site did a little polling afterwards,

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Speaker 1: said hey, wh would you like better, TPUSA, Kid Rock

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Speaker 1: Entertainment or bad Money and man, Sam h kid Rock

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Speaker 1: smoke Bad Bunny.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand people voted he smoked him.

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Speaker 2: I am not a big a big kid rock fan.

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Speaker 1: I get it and I'm not even but I tell.

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Speaker 2: No no, But what he did to was brilliant.

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Speaker 4: He took the arc of his life from the sinfulness

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Speaker 4: to the brokenness to the strip clubs, and he concludes

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Speaker 4: with Jesus with a call for salvation. Dust off the Bibles.

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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable what it was.

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Speaker 4: It was an evangelistic outreach via song. I congratulate him

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Speaker 4: and applaud him.

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Speaker 2: Well done.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, social media was all over the map

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Speaker 1: when it comes, and you knew they would be. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: trying to quote control the narrative. Everything is about propaganda.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the ratings were down.

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Speaker 1: They thought it was the largest audience in history. No,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't actually dropped. And Sam, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: TPUSA came back and said, they're probably gonna go ahead

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Speaker 1: and start plans for twenty twenty seven. Already, I think

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Speaker 1: there's some messaging going on. Are people are tired of

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Speaker 1: all this insanity?

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Speaker 4: Don't stop trying to shove your woke, cancel culture, anti

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Speaker 4: Judeo Christian value world viewful of relativism, decadence, and perversion

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Speaker 4: down our throats. Just stop trying to indoctrinate. Is all

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Speaker 4: we wanted to do is have a good time, a

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Speaker 4: good halftime show, right, But no, you had to make

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Speaker 4: it into a preachy sermon of wokeism and cancel culture

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Speaker 4: and the radical left.

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Speaker 2: And guess what.

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Speaker 4: It bombed, And I mean literally it bombed, but it

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Speaker 4: bombed in a bilingual way. You know what's bad about

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Speaker 4: bombing in a bilingual way. I don't like you either way,

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Speaker 4: That's how bad it is. It was just progressivism, bilingual

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Speaker 4: progressivism on steroids, and it bombed both in English and

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Speaker 4: the Spanish.

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Speaker 2: How about that good job you get them?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Sam America two fifty you represented earlier. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go there for a moment. The Olympics are on,

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Speaker 1: the Winter Olympics. Julie loves to get that stuff on.

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Speaker 1: She loves that iceocating stuff, skiing and all that, and Sam,

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Speaker 1: even in the middle of that, you got this, You

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Speaker 1: got some athletes a pushing back at them, like America,

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Speaker 1: I'm not proud. And thank god you got some other

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Speaker 1: people who are really proud of the stars and stripes,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. At the end of the day, Sam,

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Speaker 1: speak to us about where we're adding culture. Everybody has

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Speaker 1: the right to an opinion, you know that, and it's

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Speaker 1: okay to protest and things like that. But man, oh man,

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Speaker 1: where's the spirit of America?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Now, the spirit of America right now, unfortunately, is broken

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Speaker 4: because of what we tolerated and permitted for an entire generation.

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Speaker 4: We permitted a public school system to indoctrinate. We permitted

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Speaker 4: universities and colleges funded by taxpayer money to indoctrinate with

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Speaker 4: ideas of socialism and communism and wocism.

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Speaker 2: Again, everything anti thatical to our Geo Christian value system.

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Speaker 4: I would even argue anti thatical to human biology, physiology,

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Speaker 4: and science. We tolerated that for forty years. We permitted this,

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Speaker 4: and now we are reaping the consequences. However, Tim, let

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Speaker 4: not your heart be troubled. We can turn this around.

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Speaker 4: And I believe the past few years has been the pushback.

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Speaker 4: I believe the entire Trump presidency has been the quicktessential

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Speaker 4: pushback politically. Now we need cultural, spiritual pushback that will

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Speaker 4: actually exceed the political pushback for the sake of our

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Speaker 4: children and our children's children.

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Speaker 2: The Olympics that that skater that.

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Speaker 4: Went out there and said, you know, too woke bank

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Speaker 2: I mean yes, right there.

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Speaker 4: Again, you have the cognitive bandwith of a chestnut roasting

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Speaker 2: So it's limited.

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Speaker 4: They're just repeating the mantra. They have no idea what

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Speaker 4: they're saying, and one day they'll regret that. However, I

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Speaker 4: love the athletes that go up there with the American

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Speaker 4: flag and say I am so proud to be You

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Speaker 4: know what got me to the booing of JD bands

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Speaker 4: in the opening ceremony. Hey Europe, you are alive because

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Speaker 4: of the US of A. Remember that America. Notice how

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Speaker 4: America is hated when America is strong and America is

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Speaker 4: applauded in Europe?

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Speaker 2: What America is weak? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Sam, I tell you a lot of spin going on

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Speaker 1: social media. I want jump to the Epstein files, Sam,

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Speaker 1: I you know really heard about it. That kind of thing,

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Speaker 4: It's going to expose a gamut a system unfortunately as

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Speaker 1: Sam Rodriguez always great to have you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Shawne. As we get started, transgender ideology stuff continues

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Speaker 1: I was talking to a mentor of mine, shawan A,

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Speaker 1: and he said I had to literally stop. I had

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Speaker 1: to get off all the news channels and stuff. He said,

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Speaker 1: I was getting overwhelmed by it all. And I remember

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Speaker 1: talking with a good friend he's gone now, Larry Krab,

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Speaker 1: who said to me, Tim, remember this thought, it's not

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Speaker 1: really about the darkness. It's about the light. Amen. Let

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Speaker 1: some light in light dispels darkness. I think when you

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Speaker 1: pressing close to the heart of God, when you take

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Speaker 1: periods where you do detox and you rest, you hear

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it just kind of charges the batteries

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Speaker 1: back up and we're off and running all over again.

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Speaker 1: But Johnny Anderson always great to have you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining me.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Tim coming up next, is the president of NRB, the

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Speaker 1: National Religious Broadcasters Association. Troy Miller's with us.

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Speaker 3: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 3: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 3: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Joinas now. Is President and CEO of NRB National Religious

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Speaker 1: Broadcasters Troy Miller Well. NRB is an organization that equips

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Speaker 1: Christian communicators to share the gospel with excellence on radio, television,

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Speaker 1: and digital platforms. Troy, welcome back, Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 7: Oh, thanks for having me today. It's great to be

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Speaker 7: with you again.

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Speaker 1: Troy Broadcasting, you're in that big world. Listen the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, what a platform, bad bunny goodness, halftime spectacle.

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Speaker 1: I Roger Goodell, NFL Commissioner, kisses him. I'm thinking, what

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Speaker 1: in the world is going on here? That was a mess,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what what a mess. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: majority of the people watching didn't even understand what he

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Speaker 1: was singing because he was singing Spanish. But Troy, the lyrics, well,

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Speaker 1: they were shared all over social media. Unbelievable. You can't

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Speaker 7: No, you couldn't get away with that in English at all. There,

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Speaker 7: And I wouldn't even recommend any way to go out

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Speaker 7: and look at the lyrics, you know, you know, it

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Speaker 7: was just terrible.

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 7: Look, also, this was a political message too, with everything

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Speaker 7: that's going on with immigration and with ice and all

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Speaker 7: they chose you know, bad Bunny first of all, doesn't

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Speaker 7: even represent most Americans, the values of most Americans, right,

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Speaker 7: but they represented this. And then they did an all

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Speaker 7: Spanish broadcast. How is that supposed to be celebrating America,

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Speaker 7: who's going through two hundred and fifty year anniversary Here,

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Speaker 7: this was a political message the network chose to send.

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Speaker 1: Troy, you got a big event coming up in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: Opperland Hotel, Gaylord, Opreyland, big place. I've been there many,

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Speaker 1: many times. Tell us a little bit about what's happening.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is the largest gathering of Christian communicators that

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Speaker 7: will happen anywhere this year in the US or around

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Speaker 7: the globe. We're expecting over somewhere near six thousand people

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Speaker 7: to be there. We run a number of things that

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Speaker 7: are going to go on. We're going to have topics

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Speaker 7: that cover everything that's we're dealing with in the culture today,

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Speaker 7: including Christian persecution, the weaponization of government, the biased and

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Speaker 7: marginalization that Christians go through. We'll talk about the legal landscapes,

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Speaker 7: all of those top issues, all the way down to

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Speaker 7: hands on events that will go if you want to

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Speaker 7: learn how the latest audio tools or the latest video tools,

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Speaker 7: or how to podcast, all of that will be going

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Speaker 7: out Between and tail. We're going to have a whole

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Speaker 7: stage dedicated to artificial intelligence too. How is this going

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Speaker 7: to impact you as a media producer, but more so,

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Speaker 7: how should we think about it and impact us as

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Speaker 7: Christians as we use these new tools to communicate out there.

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Speaker 7: So it's going to be a great event. Two hundred

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Speaker 7: and thirty plus exhibitors on our exhibit floor. Like I said,

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Speaker 7: this is the largest gathery and the Christian communicators will

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Speaker 7: happen anywhere around the globe.

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Speaker 1: Pretty big deal and critical, especially I think in the

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Speaker 1: faith space. Why I say that's because Troy, if you're

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Speaker 1: up on social media, you're up there tracking the news

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Speaker 1: and stuff you realize it's a propaganda war. You see

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Speaker 1: all this scandal stuff going on, Troy, It's unbelievable. Everything

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Speaker 1: they're uncovering. Look at the waste, fraud and abuse that's

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Speaker 1: going on in states across the country. Look at this

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Speaker 1: whole ice issue, the deportation issue, and so much more.

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Speaker 1: Look at Washington and Troy. It's all over the map.

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Speaker 1: People attacking each other. You're using everything they can, and

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Speaker 1: you realize it's like, what in the world is happening

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Speaker 1: to us? And we're getting over We're getting flooded in

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Speaker 1: the midst of it. Having an anchor voice is everything,

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Speaker 1: and being able to communicate truth boldly, especially in this hour,

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Speaker 1: is everything. Don't you think so, Troy?

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Speaker 7: Oh? No, absolutely, we are at a war, not not only,

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Speaker 7: as you said, a propaganda war. Propaganda's the tools are using.

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Speaker 7: We're at a war for the worldview, for people's worldview.

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Speaker 7: How do they look at the world. What's the lens

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Speaker 7: be through this socialist, progressive, leftist kind of lens it's

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Speaker 7: out there? Or is it going to be through a godly,

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Speaker 7: biblical Christian worldview? And Tim they would love nothing more

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Speaker 7: than to silence, completely, silence the Christian worldview, because that's

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Speaker 7: the bulwark that's stopping them from running over the country

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Speaker 7: and running away. And it's so important for Christians to

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Speaker 7: speak up. It's so important for us to be in

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Speaker 7: the public space. We can't take our Christianity and hold

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Speaker 7: it into the four walls of our church or the

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Speaker 7: four walls of our home. We were never called to

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Speaker 7: do that as Christians. How do we be that light

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Speaker 7: if we're underneath the basket that nobody can see. How

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Speaker 7: can we salt if it stays in the cupboard and

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Speaker 7: it doesn't season the culture? How can we be the

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Speaker 7: city on the hill that inspiration people have. We have

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Speaker 7: to be active in the public sector as Christians, Troy.

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Speaker 1: You recently did some research with the Barnet Group on

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Speaker 1: the state of Christian media. What did you find? I

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Speaker 1: think this is really important because a lot of people

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Speaker 1: think Christian soft second rate. You know that that cheesy,

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Speaker 1: not gonna watch it? People aren't They're saying people are

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Speaker 1: not watching it. Troy. What did you find?

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Speaker 7: No that we found just the opposite, and we did

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Speaker 7: we did this study in January. We wanted to set

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Speaker 7: some benchmarks to understand, and we found out that nearly

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Speaker 7: sixty percent of the country, this is a general population,

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Speaker 7: tunes into some form of Christian media on a fairly

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Speaker 7: regular basis. That was pretty amazing statistic that we found out.

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Speaker 7: But dig a little deeper than that. Here's what we

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Speaker 7: really got us sixty four percent I think it was

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Speaker 7: of the of the gen zers. Sixty four percent of

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Speaker 7: gen zers are tuning into Christian media, mostly social but

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Speaker 7: fifty eight percent of the millennials.

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Speaker 2: So a huge.

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Speaker 7: Population of young adults are tuning in. And here's I

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Speaker 7: think the other big one. Why are they tuning in?

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Speaker 7: What was we asked, why are what's the purpose you

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Speaker 7: tuning in? They wanted answers to the alternatives that they

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Speaker 7: were hearing from the secular side, secular media. They wanted

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Speaker 7: to know more about God, they wanted to know about

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Speaker 7: the Bible, and they wanted to know how to have

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Speaker 7: Isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 1: That's amazing show. I think on social media this week

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Speaker 1: we saw big college campus, I think University of Central Florida,

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Speaker 1: where kids are just flocking to the altar, coming to

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Speaker 1: Christ people are saying that the younger generations are really

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Speaker 1: showing up in mass They want to get they want

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Speaker 1: to press into the heart of God. Like you're saying,

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Speaker 1: do you troit believe that's true.

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Speaker 7: I do believe that's true. I do believe we're in

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Speaker 7: the sense of a revival of the younger generation. The

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Speaker 7: not true. Here's the other thing. Statistics I think was

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Speaker 7: really interesting in there. Sixty six percent of Americans, that's

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Speaker 7: the broader Americans again, sixty six percent found that Christian

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Speaker 7: media was both valuable and trustworthy. And that's why they're

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Speaker 7: tuning in. They know they can trust what they hear

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Speaker 7: and they're finding value in it. Compare that to mainstream media,

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Speaker 7: which is at the highest it's in the mid twenties

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Speaker 7: on that trustworthiness. So, look, we have this young generation

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Speaker 7: and they're hungry for the truth. They have been left

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Speaker 7: empty by all of this garbage that has been fed

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Speaker 7: to them, and they're rejecting it at record levels.

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Speaker 1: Troy, that darkness, that woke ideology. It's heavy at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day. And you know, these kids are

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Speaker 1: getting targeted seriously online where those algorithms are just coming

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Speaker 1: And here they are doom scrolling, bedrotting, doing whatever they are.

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Speaker 1: But hey, it's like we're done with that too. We're

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Speaker 1: over this stuff, Troy. In the midst of all of it. Again,

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Speaker 1: you guys are bringing some light into the darkness. Take

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Speaker 1: us back to the opery Land. Tell us the dates again.

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Speaker 1: Can people still register, I guess for your event.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you can still register right up to at the door.

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Speaker 7: You can come on in and register on site. February

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Speaker 7: seventeenth through the twentieth, Nashville, Tennessee at the Gaylord opry

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Speaker 7: Land Hotel. It's going to be a great week if

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Speaker 7: you're all involved in communications or just want to come

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Speaker 7: out and see some of your favorite radio, television or pastors.

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Speaker 7: You'll see them walk in the hall. You can join us.

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Speaker 7: This conference really is for everybody, Troy.

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Speaker 1: The website again for them to go up on.

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Speaker 7: NRB dot org. You can find out about our conference

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Speaker 7: and all the other issues that we're working on today.

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Speaker 1: Troy Miller, President CEO of National Religious Broadcasters, thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining me.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: therapist extraordinaire doctor Sharon May. She's the founder of the

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Speaker 1: safe Haven Relationship Center, the originator of the well known

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Speaker 1: safe Haven Marriage intensive. She trains counselors, work with couples

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Speaker 1: and lead us all over the world. Sharon, thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining me.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Tim. So good to be with you today, Sharon.

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day weekend yesterday, I mean everybody but I heard

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Speaker 1: they were spending billions of dollars unbelievable amount of money

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Speaker 1: single probably greatest shopping day of the year. To send

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Speaker 1: a message that says I love you. Sharon. You've been

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Speaker 1: working with couple's relationship for a long time. A couple

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Speaker 1: of thoughts from you on how and what makes love

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Speaker 1: and life work.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, and I'm the one that also bought a pound

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Speaker 8: of chocolate for my sweetheart.

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Speaker 1: On Valentine Nice.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, and you know, we all want to know that

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Speaker 8: I belong, I'm seen, I'm loved, and I'm cared for,

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Speaker 8: and we will go to great lengths, Tim to find

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Speaker 8: the person to love and to stay connected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My granddaughter Sophia, and she said, Papa, are you

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Speaker 1: going to give me a Valentine? That's what she said.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this week. I said, well, Papa girl and baby girl,

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Speaker 1: you guys are going to get talked. Are you kidding me? Yes,

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Speaker 1: They've stolen their papa's heart. But Sharon, love in life

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Speaker 1: is it goes across some multiple contexts. But one of

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Speaker 1: the things that's really concerning me now is I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: a lot of what people are calling like family estrangement,

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Speaker 1: and we're hearing words like parent alienation. We're seeing a

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Speaker 1: lot of brokenness where people are talking about going total cutoff.

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Speaker 1: They're ghosting and not communicating anymore. And Sharon, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of pain that's going with this. What's behind a

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Speaker 1: lot of what's happening.

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Speaker 8: Oh, Tim, you's so right. I in the counseling room

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Speaker 8: have had a lot of couples come to talk about

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Speaker 8: this issue that their adult children have cut them off

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Speaker 8: and now they're not able to see the grandkids, and

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Speaker 8: even having adult children come on in the counseling room

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Speaker 8: saying I just can't do this with my parents anymore.

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Speaker 8: And I am seeing the longing for children and the

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Speaker 8: parents to connect. But at the heart of all the

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Speaker 8: differences of politics and mom, you criticize too much, your dad,

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Speaker 8: You're just not emotionally there at the heart of it

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Speaker 8: is the longing to connect, to know that you love

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Speaker 8: me and care for me. And the minute those alarms sound,

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Speaker 8: I don't think you're there for me. You know, it

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Speaker 8: creates this hurt, this pain, this anxiety, and then we

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Speaker 8: try and find ways to soothe that pain. And today

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Speaker 8: it is I need to just there, not be with

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Speaker 8: you or take space from you. And it's not a solution, Tim.

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Speaker 8: It might manage the anxiety for the moment, but it's

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Speaker 8: not God's best or the solution for families.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I think about it, Sharon, I think of

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Speaker 1: there's no contact thing. That's a lonely road. You know

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Speaker 1: that there's a lot of grief with it all. I

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Speaker 1: rarely talk to anybody who felt like they were winning

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Speaker 1: in the strategy. Yet a lot of people are going

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Speaker 1: again no contact. I'm talking no contact. They're out, I

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Speaker 1: mean gone type stuff, and I mean and it's sad. Sharon.

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Speaker 1: Can you speak to the level of brokenness around this

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Speaker 1: and how you begin to I guess address it.

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Speaker 8: Yes, this connection does not bring anything productive unless there

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Speaker 8: is legitimate abuse. And definitely you're needing to put boundaries

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Speaker 8: that say no, you can't do that to me. So

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Speaker 8: we're not talking about those cases where you need those

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Speaker 8: boundaries in destructive abusive relationships, but we're talking about you know,

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Speaker 8: mom and dad. You weren't there for me as a

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Speaker 8: child or growing up that I needed you, and now

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Speaker 8: I'm hurt as an adult that you're continuing some of

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Speaker 8: those hurtful things and I don't know what to do

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Speaker 8: with that pain, and so to reduce my anxiety. I

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Speaker 8: don't deserve this. You're not going to treat me this way.

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Speaker 8: Cutting off feels like it's productive, but it's not. It

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Speaker 8: is destructive to ourselves, to the grandchildren, and to the parents.

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Speaker 8: There's nothing good that comes out of saying I want

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Speaker 8: nothing to do with you unless there's true abuse. So

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Speaker 8: you know, how do you start first? Is acknowledging where

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Speaker 8: you are in the family relationship. You know, I'm hurt

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Speaker 8: by mom and dad. Mom and dad are not how

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Speaker 8: I thought they would be. I needed this and didn't

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Speaker 8: get it. So we need to grieve who our parents

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Speaker 8: aren't so we can accept who they are. Cutting off

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Speaker 8: is not going to bring about the change we long for.

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Speaker 8: It's only going to perpetuate the hurt and the pain

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Speaker 8: for future generations as well. Say Okay, what do I

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Speaker 8: need to grieve My parents will never be this or that,

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Speaker 8: so that I can then start accepting and living with

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Speaker 8: what is and making those small steps and changes. And

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Speaker 8: for parents that have been cut off, you know, don't

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Speaker 8: go the oh what did I do? Innocent road say

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Speaker 8: and realize something has happened to cause your child to

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Speaker 8: have this rupture that they feel the only healthy thing

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Speaker 8: to do is to cut off. Rather take the humble

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Speaker 8: route of let me self reflect, let me take a

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Speaker 8: look what can I do to start making things safe again?

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Speaker 8: And don't say things like I don't know what I've done.

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Speaker 8: You know you're the problem. Yeah, I know I've done

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Speaker 8: I must have done something. Can I look at that?

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Speaker 1: Sharon. Sometimes it's difficult to the point where we can't

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Speaker 1: seemingly get through the barriers that's are reaching out for

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Speaker 1: help becomes really important, whether it's a marriage, where it's

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Speaker 1: a parent child relationship, whatever it is. When the conflict

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Speaker 1: is so great or the distance is so vast between

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Speaker 1: us and God, I think extends his love toward us,

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Speaker 1: and He often uses people, trained people in those ways. Sharon,

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Speaker 1: You've spent a lot of time helping people. You bring

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Speaker 1: a lot of light into the darkness, and people are

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Speaker 1: probably listening and saying, hey, how do I find out

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Speaker 1: more about Sharon? Doctor Sharon May, Sharon, if you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: mind just share a little bit more about your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on getting help and then maybe how they could contact

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Speaker 1: you and learn more about you and your ministry.

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Speaker 8: Yes, thank you, Tim. Yes, you know it's the heart

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Speaker 8: of God for us to love well in marriage and

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Speaker 8: in family, and he wants to see that reconciliation happen

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Speaker 8: where we can be a safe hayden for each other.

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Speaker 8: It might not be perfect and idealic, but it is

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Speaker 8: just enough and good enough that it can be a

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Speaker 8: safe haven. And sometimes we do need to jumpstart that

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Speaker 8: journey with a third person. And here at safe Haven

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Speaker 8: Relationship Center, couples and families will come for an intensive

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Speaker 8: where we can understand what went sideways and to bring

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Speaker 8: some healing and new connection. And we have different offerings.

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Speaker 8: You can come for a three four day intensive. We

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Speaker 8: have virtual retreats and conferences and podcasts and other ways

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Speaker 8: that couples and families can begin to learn how do

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Speaker 8: we heal these most important relationships in our lives and

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Speaker 8: they can reach out to safe Haven Relationship Center dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sharon May always great to see you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining me on this Valentine's day.

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Speaker 8: Weekend, Yes, Yes, the weekend of love. Thank him.

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Speaker 3: For more encouragement and to stay connected. Follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 3: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

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Speaker 3: part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Hey. In closing, I know these are unprecedented times, They're

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Speaker 1: difficult times, but I believe God's in control and that

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Speaker 1: He's at work, and I hope your blessing close to

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Speaker 1: his heart. Know that God loves you and that he

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Speaker 1: wants to be in your life. I believe that our hope,

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Speaker 1: our strength comes from the Lord. Here again is an

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Speaker 1: encouraging version of the Bible to hold on to this week.

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Speaker 1: Write it down. Second Thessalonians, Chapter two, verses sixteen and seventeen.

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Speaker 1: The Bible says, May the Lord Jesus Christ himself and God,

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Speaker 1: our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave

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Speaker 1: us eternal encouragement and good hope. May He encourage our hearts,

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Speaker 1: your heart, and strengthen you in every good deed and word.

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Speaker 1: I hope you know that you can look to God

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Speaker 1: for wisdom and direction in your everyday life. Let me

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Speaker 1: also say I've learned as a professional counselor that's normal

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Speaker 1: to have concern, maybe some fear, even worry, especially when

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Speaker 1: life is not the way it's supposed to be. Also

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Speaker 1: have learned that if you're not careful, what can begin

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Speaker 1: to consume you control. It's easy to lose perspective. Some

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Speaker 1: often feel like they've flushed hope. It can get so

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Speaker 1: dark for some they would feel like life would be

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Speaker 1: better off without them. Say this every week. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to live like that. Simply taking a step reaching

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Speaker 1: out for help. It's often the gateway to a new

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Speaker 1: day or a new you. And if you or someone

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Speaker 1: you love is struggling, do that reach out for help.

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Speaker 1: There are wonderful counsels and pastors who care who can

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Speaker 1: help you find the hope, the answers that you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: There are also a lot of wonderful resources love to

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Speaker 1: with God in Christ you know what you can? You

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Speaker 1: can have one right now by asking him to come

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Speaker 1: in your life. Simply praying a prayer from your heart

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Speaker 1: to God's heart something like this. You can pray it

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Speaker 1: after me, Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm

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Speaker 1: a sinner and I believe that God you die for

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Speaker 1: my sins. I want to turn from them, and I

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Speaker 1: want to invite you to come into my heart and

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Speaker 1: my life. I want to trust and follow you as

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Speaker 1: my Lord and Savior. Thank you for loving me, for

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Speaker 1: giving your life for me. Thank you for the gift

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Speaker 1: of grace, forgiveness, the gift of eternal life. I pray

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Speaker 1: all this in Jesus's name.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 1: I believe if you prayed that prayer again from your

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Speaker 1: heart to God's heart, you know what. The Bible says

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Speaker 1: John three point sixteen. For God so loved the world

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Speaker 1: that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes

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Speaker 1: in him would not perish, but have ever last life

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Speaker 1: in Romans ten to nine. And the Bible says this.

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Speaker 1: If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Lord, and

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Speaker 1: you believe in your heart that God raised from the dead,

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Speaker 1: the Bible says, you will be saved. I believe you've

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Speaker 1: prayed that prayer, that you're saved, that you're born again.

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Speaker 1: The best thing you can do now is go and

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Speaker 1: commit to serving Him God for the rest of your life.

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Speaker 1: He'll give you the strength to do it. From more information,

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Speaker 1: you can email me at Tim Clinton. Tim Clinton at

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Speaker 1: AACC dot net. Hey, if you're struggling with hopelessness, say

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Speaker 1: it's too dark, Tim, I need help right now. Help

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Speaker 1: the number simple nine eight eight, the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Hey,

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