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Speaker 1: A lot of you might know me as Charles Williams

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Speaker 1: and something. They know me as Gorilla Black. Um. But

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Speaker 1: we're definitely we're gonna break down this thing, man, you

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Speaker 1: know call scams. I did almost nine years, two months

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Speaker 1: Twenty million dollars. Man, he was getting busy with I

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Speaker 1: was definitely getting busy. He was. He was getting busy. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, today, man, we're gonna talk about one of

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Speaker 1: but she was pretty good. Definitely piggy and full for

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Speaker 1: the k A mama, Yes, definitely peggy and full for

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Speaker 1: here today on Scams on episode one, this is gonna

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Speaker 1: want you all to get your popcorn and get your

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Speaker 1: Solda or whatever drinking man. Me and Still were from

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Speaker 1: the DEVI into Peggy Anne Man. So what was up

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Speaker 1: with Peggy Man? Peggy Anne? You know, she was a

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Speaker 1: well spoken, intelligent, sophisticated scammer. Um, she developed a business

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Speaker 1: So she just wasn't just just they're just totally being

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Speaker 1: a sexual nature more times out of team. There ain't

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00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: just no buddy buddy thing. He took her son, Elton,

430
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: out to North Korea. We're gonna go meet the president

431
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: out here, you know who might well going to Dennis

432
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: Robbin right now, let's one of him and Peggy's relationship

433
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: and how they met up right definitely. Um, you know

434
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things of it is is is

435
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: that you know at that time, you know, her son

436
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of road management for Dennis Rodman

437
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: at the time, and so during that time, Um, you know,

438
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: Peggy was seen throughout the industry as one of those

439
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, go two's and so um when you're looking

440
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: at it. At that time, Um, Dennis Rodman had a

441
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: lot of problems that were going on. He was, I

442
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: thinking living out somewhere in Newport Beach, and he was

443
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: struggling with alcoholism at the time. Yeah, he was messing

444
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: with karma, and so it got to the point to

445
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: where the people inside of Newport Beach they was like, Hey,

446
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: we really don't want you living here. And he was

447
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,959
Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of different you know, he had

448
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: baby mama drama and all of these other legal you

449
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 1: know things that were pretty much everywhere and all out

450
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: in the public. And so Dennis Robin needed somebody to

451
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: really handle a lot of his finances, and again, like

452
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: I said, he was struggling with alcoholism. And you know,

453
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: leaving to Peggy, she's seen the dope cracked and so

454
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: she was able to walk in and you know, she's

455
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: seen her son in the position, and you know, she

456
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: just seen it for the milk in and you know,

457
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: her son created a company which was called King Management,

458
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: and he was totally unaware of all of the things

459
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: that his mother had going on on the criminal activity

460
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: side of it. And Dennis Rodman, again, he was just

461
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: he was bigger than life. Anytime you looked up on

462
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: any you know, media outlet, he was there. And he'd

463
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: been arrested almost several different times. And like I said,

464
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: they kicked him all the way about a Newport Beach.

465
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: He moved to Miami, and this is where Peggy literally

466
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: she moved in for the kill and she put her

467
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: well developed play into progress. And then so with that

468
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: being that her son was dealing with all of the

469
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: transportation and she was dealing with all of the finances.

470
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: And I don't think Robin was really aware of, you know,

471
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: the manipulative criminal mind that he was dealing with. And

472
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: he may have been you know, involved on other levels

473
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: to a degree with her, and so this even made

474
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: it even you know, it made it even sweeter for her, Yeah, exactly.

475
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: And I noticed a common thread with all these guys

476
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: is they always meet Peggy through a mutual friend. So

477
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: it's automatically when you meet somebody and they kind of

478
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: dealing with somebody you already know, you kind of let

479
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: your guards donald looking because you say, okay, my homeboy

480
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: with my home girls messing with them, so they must

481
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: be all right, right, you know, And they had developed

482
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: a close bump because he was kind of right for

483
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: the picking. You know, Dennis Robin had alcohol problems, had

484
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: drug problems. The only thing that was keeping them around

485
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: was his talent because I don't think nobody wants to

486
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: deal with him really, you know, he was he was

487
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: a headache man. And like you said, he was one

488
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: of the first Americans period get to go to North

489
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: Korea to meet with Kim Jong uh. And you know,

490
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: she said, Elwen King, you know, the guy that she

491
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: called her little brother who was asked your son, you know,

492
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: he said at them at the exhibition game Empire Gun

493
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: and he was later seen eating across from them at

494
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: a private dinner. Now this is a big deal because

495
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: you got to remember, even up to this day, North

496
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: Korea is very private. That's just not a place that

497
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: you just say, I'm gonna take a flight over there

498
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: going vacation, No, bro, So you just ain't pulling up

499
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: North Korea to just pull up in North Korea's backyard

500
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: on playing on some vacation time, you know. Now, one

501
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: of Robbing running, Robin's former assistance, he said that at

502
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: the time Robman would make anything from a hundred thousand

503
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: dollars overseas Man and up to thirty thousand dollars in

504
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: the US, So he was kind of like one of

505
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: the first pop icons if you remember at the time.

506
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: If Rodman would have came out during this era, Man

507
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: he would be a big in that billionaire literally, you know,

508
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: on his own just outside he would probably make three

509
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: or four times the mount he made in basketball, just outside.

510
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Because Rodman was a polarizing dude at the time, definitely,

511
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he was bigger than life,

512
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, because he was one of the first ones.

513
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: You figured he was tattered up and they at that

514
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: time everything was real conservative and sports you didn't see

515
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: guys kind of with them tattoos and stuff until Robin

516
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: came up. He came and he just changed the face

517
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: of how athletes would look. He was the first dude

518
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: come in with this polarizing figure, like you said, colorful hair,

519
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: He had this way of acting on the court, and

520
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: he just had the crowd over enthusis. Yeah, he was

521
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: literally a fool and he was out there and it

522
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: made basketball fun if people wanted to watch a game

523
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: that Robin was playing, so, you know, and then his

524
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: own and off court, you know, annex that he presented.

525
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, he would be able to pop up here

526
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: and he put on some lipstick and heven put on

527
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: making He was just he was asking the fool, you know.

528
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: And despite all this stuff that Robin had going on,

529
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: it was a bunch of financial red flags that started

530
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: popping up and they realized that the payments had lapsed

531
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: on his five million dollar life insurance policy. Right. You know,

532
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: he had to call his lawyer one time. Bradford Corner asked,

533
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: wise electricity went out this Florida condom? You know, Peggy

534
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: helped him find, you know, the one of Peggy helped

535
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: him find Peggy. She blamed the financial issues on robbing

536
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: you know she was out there night. She's spend the

537
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: dudes money and told him it's because you don't have

538
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: any control over your spending. So I'm going to take

539
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: your credit card from you, your debit card you can exactly,

540
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: this is what she tells him. You cannot be trusted

541
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take your credit card from you. You

542
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: gotta think. Orange County officials said that he owed over

543
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars. He owed over eight hundred thousand

544
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: dollars and back old child support. You though, what's funny

545
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: about the child support thing? In court, they kind of

546
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: went off the question of robbing spending habit. You know,

547
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: it came up that he was spending the whole bunch

548
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: of money at Vic Toria's Secret and Hope bunch of outlets,

549
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: and then it's robbing. He's still and putting his head

550
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: that Peggy's been robbing blind being juicing him, he says. Man,

551
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: he tells one his homeboys, ain't have been the Victoria's

552
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: secrets in my life. Exactly. You gotta realize this man

553
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: nearly went to jail behind that nearly went to jail

554
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: over eight hundred thousand dollars in unpaid child support. You know,

555
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Yeah, his his reputation took a big hit man,

556
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: and it was just the funny thing about this man.

557
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: You almost want to laugh because I know a lot

558
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: of people out there probably listening like, well, that's they fall.

559
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: They were stupid. You gotta understand when a person is

560
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: playing in the NBA the NFL. They got a running

561
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: joke about the NFL is that it's called not for long,

562
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: not for long, not for long because when the kid

563
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: first gets in and I can speak about this first hand,

564
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: my son he leaves college, you know, almost two years early.

565
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: He's in the NFL. Now he's with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

566
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: He's all his efforts and brain power is going to

567
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: making that roster and he wants to make the three

568
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: man roster. That's all he's thinking about now. You know.

569
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: He went out to Pittsburgh for the mini camp. It's

570
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: supposed to be three days. They tell him, we want

571
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: you to stay out here for six weeks, which is

572
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: a good thing for him because he's out there working

573
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: with MNA Fitzpatrick. He's working with dudes. He just sold TV.

574
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: So right now, last thing on his mind he thinked

575
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: about his finances. Now, think about that story that you

576
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: just said about your son, Think about Travis mcbess. Think

577
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: about all of these young dudes is coming in it

578
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: to the you know, the football league, the basketball league.

579
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Look at Ricky Williams. Look at all of these young guys.

580
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: They're focused on their career. They're focused head first. Ricky

581
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Williams said that he left all of his finances in

582
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: her hand, that he didn't care about money. These was

583
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: his words in his own doctor. Players don't care about money.

584
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: They don't care about They love playing the game. They

585
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: want to play the game, and they want to play

586
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: the game on the highest level. Now, just imagine your son.

587
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: He's he's not worried about his contract. He's focused in

588
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: on how do I become my best She was able

589
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: to get up under these dudes and manipulate them. Manipulation.

590
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: You got your family trying to get your money. You

591
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: got all of these agents trying to get your money.

592
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: Mama just trying to make sure you all right. Mama

593
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: gonna take care of it for you. Just think about it.

594
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: Them guys, they don't want to deal with all of that.

595
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: They got all of the pressures of their family, all

596
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: of the pressures from everything else. They just want to

597
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: focus in and they want to become physical specimens to

598
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: be at the highest level, to play at the highest

599
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: level of the game, exactly. And um. One of the

600
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: things too that people have to look at, man, is

601
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: that not only are these guys engaged with their career,

602
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: not only do they have this going on, they're not

603
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: the most financially a stupid people in the world. They're

604
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: young people. You know, I got to to get on

605
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: my son the other day before you left, because we've

606
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: been playing for traffic tickets from s C, for parking

607
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: tickets and this and that. Because it's not that the

608
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: young kids are irresponsible, because they don't know how to

609
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: manage their life quite yet. You know, you're figured when

610
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: he was at SC worried about the same thing, going

611
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: to class, trying to graduate and trying to be in

612
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: top shape for the football team. It's been like that

613
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: since he was in pop Warna. They are focused, don't

614
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: be coming the best if they craft right in the

615
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: field that only less than one percent of the people

616
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: that playing that sport go make it, you know, football, basketball,

617
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: So they just really focused because they know this is

618
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: my one shot so they don't have no time to

619
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: be worried about their bread. Right, It's just so crazy. So,

620
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, let's and that's it's so deep. When you

621
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: look at Ricky Williams. One day, you know, he's with

622
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: his kids, so he go outside literally still, he goes

623
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: outside and the range rover is gone. Oh my god,

624
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: so he's car don't got reprosessed. His car is repossessed.

625
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: He go outside, the range rover is completely gone. He's

626
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: thinking he's gonna take his kids to school. And I

627
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: guess this is when he really began to take notice

628
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: and look at the whole slew of other discrepancies that

629
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: were going on in his financial thing. And you know,

630
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: his wife at the time, she really started delving into

631
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: some of these credentials that she supposedly had. Always the women,

632
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: always the women, they get the looking at things, and

633
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: so she gets the looking deeply into this Harvard, this Harvard.

634
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: You know, she has this, you know, all of these

635
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: degrees from Harvard. And then she comes to find out

636
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: that no, wrong, wrong, No you're not from Harvard. Oh spellman,

637
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: you're dropped out whenever you was pregnant architect. I again,

638
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: no you're not an architect. So whenever the wife got

639
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: the looking at all of these things or whatever, the discrepancies,

640
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: even when even further because they begin to see that

641
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: the mortgages was unpaid, the electricity at one point was

642
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: shut off, the insurance policies, they were unpaid, and basically

643
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: I guess at this time all hell broke loose pretty much.

644
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: And Ricky he got a letter from the I R. S.

645
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: He got a letter this time, and its stating that

646
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: he owed over four hundred and fIF thousand dollars in

647
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: back old taxes. So at this time, I guess this

648
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: is when he really just opened up his mind and

649
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: him and his wife filed to live a civil suit,

650
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, against pay Before you go into that, now,

651
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams was the first one, I think, out all

652
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: these athletes to kind of file his own civil suit

653
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: against them. Yes, he was, because at this time, you know,

654
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: she fleeced him for almost three million dollars. Three million dollars.

655
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: He never recovered from that either, None of these guys people,

656
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: None of these guys never recovered from this. Because what

657
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: people don't understand, there's this big misconception in the street

658
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: that somebody goes to NFL, NBA somewhere and they're just

659
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: they're all their financial woes are just gone. No, you

660
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: have to account for this. Most of these guys come

661
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: from situations like you said to where they usually come

662
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: from a one pay at home to where mom they

663
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: don't watch their mom, their old life, struggle to take

664
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: care of him, their little brother that look sist whatever.

665
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: So the first thing they do when they get some

666
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: money if they want to make sure that mama, they

667
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: want to make sure Mama is straight. And you just

668
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: gotta imagine the pressures from cousins, Auntie's sisters, The laundry

669
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: list goes on and on of all of these people

670
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: that are pretty much have been there with them since

671
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: the time they were born. Just imagine all of the

672
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: games mama may have missed and she was able to

673
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: get to those, and you know, all of the basketball,

674
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: all of the shoes, all of the cleats, all of

675
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: the things that you know alone the way as a

676
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: parent does you know, trying to get their child into

677
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: something a better life when they're looking at their impoverished

678
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: conditions and realized that, you know, their life pretty much

679
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: done passed, and so they're living through their children and

680
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: They're trying to help their children achieve something that very

681
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: few are able to achieve on those levels. So Peggy

682
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: is pretty much telling these young, impressionable, young athletes that, hey,

683
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: you gotta watch out against your family because I didn't

684
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: seen this happen, but four and the family members and

685
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: took the money and this and this and this and this. Baby.

686
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm a millionaire already, I already got millions. I got

687
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: these degrees because I learned about money, and I learned

688
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: how to structure money and the right investments. And the

689
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: sad part about the black is that she wasn't exactly

690
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: lying about not having the skills, because she did work

691
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: on War Street. She did has she been truthful about

692
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: her as she's been truthful and did business the right

693
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: wing and kept everything one. She could have probably had

694
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: the biggest sports management agency in the world, at least

695
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: the biggest minority. She would have been that top upper

696
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: echelon crime Deli Crime because she had business acumen. She

697
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: understood how business worked. You gotta understand when it all

698
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: came and was said and done. This woman had over

699
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: eighty five bank accounts. She had multiple corporations under these

700
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: guys name and most of these guys, they had two

701
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: or three accounts attached to their account, some and in

702
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: which they didn't know. She was able to wire money

703
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: and move money back and forth and do all of

704
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: these things. She kept an account for the everyday expenses,

705
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: and she kept another account, and so she would wire

706
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: this money, you know, she would do this whole pyramid

707
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: of money moving amongst all of these different accounts. Again,

708
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: she had eighty five different accounts, Yeah, eighty five different

709
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: eighty five different accounts, and and the laundry list goes on. Man.

710
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: Not only was she making um purchases to places when

711
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: these different retail outlets but my thru Not only was

712
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: she out making mass purchases, Man, but she was paying

713
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: her bills too because she had a lot of credit

714
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: card debt. She had millions of dollars in credit card debt,

715
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: and she made a lot of money. Like but it

716
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: almost became to a point where she was robbing Peter

717
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: to pay Paul. And this was just like, I don't

718
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: know how she just didn't see this and floating eventually.

719
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: That's why I want to believe she had some kind

720
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: of mental disorder. Do you think she has? Do you

721
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: think do you think she probably suffered from some kind

722
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: of UM. I think more or less man. As humans,

723
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: we all have cognitive behavior issues, but I think when

724
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: we don't have the ability to challenge our thoughts. For me,

725
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: in my criminal background, it was all or nothing. I

726
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: told myself that, hey, I gotta do this to make

727
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: sure I take care of my kids. Ain't nobody else

728
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna do this? Um, If I don't do it, somebody

729
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: else gonna do it. So why I shouldn't get this money.

730
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: This is the repeated level of self talk that I

731
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: had with myself while I was doing this, and so

732
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: the elation of being able to get away with oh bam,

733
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: here goes three thousand, here go five thousand, here goes

734
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: two thousand, here go ten thousand, here go fifteen in

735
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: the rush, combined with that way of thinking, it kept

736
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: me on a perpetual um hamster will of continuously committing frauds,

737
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: fraud to a certain absolutely, absolutely, I was addicted. I

738
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: was addicted to fraud. I was addicted to the money.

739
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: That's like, I'm gonna just say this. A lot of

740
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: people say, oh, well, the dope dealer, he not addicted

741
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: to using dope. Well, he's addicted to getting money. So

742
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: he's just addicted to the to getting money as the

743
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: person is addicted to the So you think, every time

744
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: Peggy fleece one of these kids man for a couple

745
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: of million dollars, he got at a rush from it.

746
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: Imagine she was able to enjoy the spoils of her scam.

747
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: She was able to enjoy the rewards of it, so

748
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: it gave her a payoff. So when she went in

749
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: and Emon Marcus and she bought this expensive person, or

750
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: maybe she bought those shoes, she was able to enjoy

751
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: the reward of it. So it rewarded her for this

752
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: type of behavior. So it's a it's a it's an

753
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: ongoing thing, and it becomes addictive, and it's a way.

754
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: It's an irrational way of thinking. It's irrational. So after

755
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: a while, you begin to continue to manipulate, be dishonest,

756
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: tell have truths, tell complete falsehoods, to continue to live

757
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: the way that you want to live. And so at

758
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: the end of the day, she's able to sit in

759
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: her forth Lotterdale mansion with the spoils of war. And

760
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: so at the end, she's already told herself, Hey, they're

761
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: not my kids they gave me the money. They did this.

762
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: She may have even been sleeping with them, let's put

763
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: out there. And that's what I think, because she had

764
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: a lot of power over these young men. And I

765
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: believe this to be a point to man. I think

766
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: she had to know somewhere in the back of her

767
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: mind she was gonna get caught, avention. She had to know,

768
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: bro right like, just like you, let me ask you

769
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: this when you was out there doing your thing, that

770
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: you're having the back of your mind every prior to

771
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: you getting caught that she was gonna get correct. Absolutely,

772
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: I always told myself, you know what, I'm gonna get

773
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: as much money. Again, this is the irrational way of thinking.

774
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get as much money as I can until

775
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: I do get caught so that I could take care

776
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: of my family. So I'm telling myself this, I'm making

777
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: these excuses, I'm making these justifications, but really take care

778
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: of my family. And my family tooken care of They

779
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: got clothes on their back, refrigerator full of food, car

780
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: full of gas, anything they want. So now it's beyond that.

781
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: It's just pure greed. That's just the truth of it.

782
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: Let's not sugar car So do you think at one point,

783
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: like I'm pretty sure it was a point with Peggy

784
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: where she made enough money the way she could have said,

785
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna do legit business. I'm gonna

786
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: fix this and pay these people their money back before

787
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: anything goes wrong, and I'm gonna start doing stuff the

788
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: right way. Do you think those starts me across her

789
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: mind at some point they had to cross her mind

790
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: at some point, I believe, more or less, though, we

791
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: we dim those voices and they become dimmer and quiet.

792
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: At her inquired, he compared to, Oh, we just hit

793
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: here we go mo bag. Oh I'm up. So there's

794
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: a war going on inside of the mind, and we

795
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: quiet the one that we know is right, and we

796
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: listened to the one that we know it is wrong.

797
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: We know us right. We have the ability to know

798
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: what's right. She knew what was right, she knew what

799
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: was wrong because she was able to talk to them

800
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: in this way. Hey, you don't want these people fleecing you.

801
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: You don't need all of these people in your business.

802
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: You got family, you got all of these people that's

803
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: hanging on to you and doing all of these different things.

804
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: So sooner or later, your money gonna be gone, baby.

805
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: You know, you just gotta imagine now. When Ricky he

806
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: sued Peggy and in the Texas court for one point

807
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: eight million dollars, the judge in the case, he said

808
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: that the claims were in valid because she wasn't a

809
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: resident of Texas. Dennis Rodman, he totally flipped the script.

810
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: He did this jaw drop an interview with t m Z,

811
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: and he revealed that Peggy King was a major scammer

812
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: and that she should have he should have paid closer

813
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: attention to all of his financial matters. Peggy, in her

814
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: delusional state, she just laughed at the matter. And her son,

815
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, her and her son was business partners, and

816
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: he didn't have no clue of all of the underhanded,

817
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know stuff that she was doing. Robman's

818
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: TMZ article caught the attention of local authorities and in

819
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: one in particular FBI agent named James Hawkins, whose specialty

820
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: was major fraud and high crimes. Dennis Robin and Ricky

821
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Williams would be contacted by Mr Hawkins, and he began

822
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: putting together all of the pieces of the puzzle, putting

823
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: two and two together, and so he pulled up at

824
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: her place, and in her fantasy world, she got this

825
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: rude awakening and in March of ten when the federal

826
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: agents came to her home and um, they spoke to

827
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: her about the fraudulent activities and you know in that year.

828
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: Later on, in that year sixteen, she was arrested on

829
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: federal charges out of Houston, eight counts of bank fraud,

830
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: wire fraud, moneylundering, mail fraud. Again, she had over eighty

831
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: five bank accounts and seven aliases that she was going by. Wow,

832
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: you know what the sad part about this man is

833
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: that I think portrayal is worse when it comes from

834
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: a person that you love, when it comes from a

835
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: family member, when it comes, you know, from a person

836
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: that you deemed to be a good friend of yours.

837
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: When you see somebody that gets you, it's almost like

838
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: you've opened your home after this person. You've shared all

839
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: your little intimate details with them, and then you find

840
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: out it's kind of like you go through this face

841
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: to where A think it's a phase of disbelief, disbelief,

842
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: then it's a phase of anger. Anger definitely. Then I

843
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: think it's kind of like remorse, like how could I

844
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: be so dumb an embarrassment to where I think you

845
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: come back to it where you still have some feelings

846
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: for this person, you're like, I can't. I think that

847
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: makes it worse. It makes it even worse because it's

848
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: a love hate type thing because you love all of

849
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: these good attributes about this person, and then you come

850
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: to find out and then you developed this hate for

851
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: all of the things that this person actually done to you,

852
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: and that you allowed them to become so close and

853
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: entangled and intertwined with all of your family and the

854
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: loved ones. Like Ricky Williams again, whenever he was getting

855
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: ready for that MTV cribs, you know, his bestie was

856
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: there when you know, his bestie, his home girl was there,

857
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: and so when they first, you know, she came in

858
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: with the interior decorator, so she was able to go

859
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: out with Ricky Williams bestie, and she told them, Hey,

860
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: don't y'all don't call me Peggy or whatever. My anime

861
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: is Roquel, So you know, I don't want people in

862
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: my business and everything. This is what Peggy tell her,

863
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: And so her and her home girl looking at her

864
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: like okay, she got an alias. Okay, cool, So she

865
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: was able to infiltrate all of these people that were

866
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: not only family members but close friends as well. Yeah,

867
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you to the extent man that this

868
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: went right. In August is two thousand and eleven, when

869
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: Robbing was making this Hall of Fame speech, he jested

870
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: towards the woman in the front row, man wearing a

871
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: silver sequence dress. You know, Peggy was always dressed to

872
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: the nines, and she was sitting inside of younger Captain sunglasses,

873
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: which was her son. Right, he looked up, you know,

874
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: she was two roads in front of NBA com Mr

875
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: David Sterne, Peggy King, Elk and King needs guys, the family.

876
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: They're taking care of me these days. Thank you, Peggy.

877
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: So the woman is robbing him blind and pretty much

878
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: a life that's already kind of teetering on the edge

879
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. She just don't push it all the

880
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: way over. You know, he hadn't paid his child support payments,

881
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: he ain't been paying his taxes. He got lights getting

882
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: cut off, you know, just from the most major things,

883
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: a little most my new things she had handed disrupting

884
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: this man's life. And he up there thinking of this

885
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: home was very emotional. So with somebody like that, man,

886
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: and this could have won a number of ways. Man,

887
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: because I feel sorry for these guys right because again

888
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: they never recovered. Some of these guys are still having

889
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: financial issues to this day. There's no way that Ricky Williams,

890
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: Dennis Robbing, and none of these other guys with the

891
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: money that they were able to make through their prospective careers,

892
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: that they should be sitting around broke right now. They

893
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: could point that to hurt because no matter what, can

894
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: you explain to the fans a little bit how that goes,

895
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: like with the restitutional and stuff, when you have to

896
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: pay people back, most of these guys don't get that

897
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: money back to that. You gotta realize. Once you know Peggy,

898
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: you gotta realize she was sentenced to over ten years

899
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen and she pled guilty to all of

900
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: the overwhelming evidence. And how that plays out is, you know,

901
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: whenever you have family members or whatever not send you money,

902
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: they take the amount of money in which you're being

903
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: sent and they decide upon how much of it that

904
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: you'll be paying back to the restitution that you owe.

905
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: And so it's literally crumbs to an extent you may pay,

906
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: they may have it set to where you pay so

907
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: you may pay twenty five dollars a month. A month,

908
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: so you got to realize a month. Some guys they

909
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: have it to where this way that they would have

910
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: access to commissary and just hygiene products. But without that,

911
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: they cut your store completely off. So they will never

912
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: recover the money that she was able to take from

913
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: them at that rate. Cheat, do you think she had

914
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: some of that money put up some one. Hey, you know,

915
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: your guess is as good as mine. But from the

916
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: looks of it, no. The reason why is because of

917
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: the lifestyle that she was living and the way that

918
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: she was living. You know, she had these luxury houses,

919
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: you know in Fort Lauderdale. She had a Bentley, She

920
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: had a whole slew of different sports cards and things

921
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm pretty sure all the property that

922
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: she probably wanted them. Yeah, and so that may be

923
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: a way that they got some of their money back.

924
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: Some of the things that they were able to confiscate

925
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: the Feds, you know when they come like with me,

926
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: they confiscated over fifty dollars in cash. They were able

927
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: to take certain things from me, certain things they couldn't

928
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: prove that I did with just scamming because of my

929
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: musical background and and things like that. So I had

930
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: ways of Hey, these are things that I paid for legitimately,

931
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: and these are things that you know they were illegitimate,

932
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: So I had to definitely pay a large part of

933
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: restitution back. I wanted to ask you about that because

934
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: you had them, and this was a question mean your friends,

935
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: like never, It's not like you was a bum, right,

936
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: you had a very successful rap career. You had number

937
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: one records and you know, record close to going go Right,

938
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: what made you decide I'm gonna start just going the

939
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: credit card scamp? You gotta realize something again, Financially, I

940
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: was illiterate. So as you know, whenever you live in

941
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: day to day, you got bills, you got lights, you

942
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: got gas, you got all of these things. And you're

943
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: living too this um. You know, you're living in the light.

944
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: So a lot of the music money doesn't come at

945
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: the pace that's your bills is coming at. And then

946
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: so after a period of time, you having back and

947
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: forth dispatched with the labels, and I had left the

948
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: label and at the height of my career and all

949
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: of these things, I was introduced into this lifestyle. And

950
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: when I was introduced to it, I've seen the profitability

951
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: of it and how fast that I could actually make

952
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: the money. And before I knew it, one thing led

953
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: to the next. And again my irrational way of thinking

954
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: about it is just, hey, don't nobody know I'm I'm

955
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: a rapper. So don't nobody know that I got ten

956
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: thousand credit cards coming down the pipeline. Don't nobody know?

957
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: And me being able to jump into a go buy

958
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: a brand new Mercedes, or go buy me a roller,

959
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: or go by nobody even you know, look at me,

960
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: no type of way, sideways going up buying cars Royce

961
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: and not rolls Royces. But I was buying guards. I

962
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: was a bit of cards and I was able to

963
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: pull up and you know, take my family on different

964
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: trips and we're jumping in first class and we we

965
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: island hopping all out, and you know St. Croix and St.

966
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: John and St. Thomas and I'm walking around down the St.

967
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Thomas Jury District and I'm dropping a bag off. So

968
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: if you was doing that, man, you know, would always

969
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: tell people. Man when it comes to just crime, period,

970
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to selling dope, scamming or whatever,

971
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: I tell people you get hit with that time, you

972
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: may as well when it got a job at churches, churches,

973
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 1: chicken and makedowns or somewhere, because when it all said

974
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: and done, at that time, that that money that you

975
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: made and you go sit down and do that time,

976
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: it's not worth you know what. I was just thinking

977
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: about it, and you know, me and my boy had

978
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: a conversation the other day and I was sitting in

979
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: my cell and I had a million dollars and it

980
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: was like, look, we could take the million and let

981
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: you go, or you could keep the million and you

982
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: could stay here. Take the million dollars and let me go.

983
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: You gotta think of all of the people, the relationships,

984
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: the memories, everything you could have created in that amount

985
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: of time. This the federal government. This ain't on normal

986
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: state time. So you're gonna do eighty five point seven

987
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: percent of that time. It don't matter how you want

988
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: to cut it, how you want to tell yourself, Oh,

989
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this. These laws gonna pass. Man, dude

990
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: still sitting in there waiting for laws to pass. Oh,

991
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: they don't got enough money to house me. Absolutely, you're

992
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: thinking the wrong thing. And they're like Motel six. The

993
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: lights never go off, baby, they got nothing but the

994
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: room for you. And I lived in that irrational world

995
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: for so long until when the reality came in. Year

996
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: one year, two year, three year, four year, five year,

997
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: six year, seven year, eight year nine. Damn, it's crazy, man.

998
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: But you know what though, to kind of go off

999
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: off the track with Peggy real quick man we first

1000
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: had when you first had the idea to do this

1001
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: show scams, I thought it was brilliant, right. I started

1002
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: doing research immediately because I'm a research driven person. People

1003
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: have pretty much been kind and people since the beginning

1004
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: of time. Like you know, they came with a phrase, man,

1005
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: there's a sucker point every minute, man. Like take for example,

1006
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: it's a George Parker, so real estate. He's most famous

1007
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: for selling the Brooklyn Bridge multiple ti multiple times, multiple times,

1008
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: multiple times. So you say, man, you almost think it's

1009
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: to a point that where people can't be that naive man.

1010
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: But these people have they share similar qualities. They're charismatic

1011
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: people like if somebody was to meet you, if I

1012
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: if I didn't know you and I met you, when

1013
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: somebody said that dude right there, man, he can't twenty

1014
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: million dollars committed work more than twenty million dollars credit

1015
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: card for a like use a damn lit he one

1016
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: of the best people I've ever met, one of the

1017
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: most honest people I've ever met. But all these people

1018
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: share that same thing. They're able to get people to

1019
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: entrust them exactly. And so you got to think about it,

1020
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: like a lot of times it's not that the people

1021
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: are just naive. It's a lot of times a lot

1022
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: of people are greedy. And that's how people end up

1023
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: in bad investment deals, and they don't even know that

1024
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: they're being swindled blind. A lot of people in their

1025
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: pure greed. In that story in itself, someone thinking that

1026
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: they could buy literally the Brooklyn Bridge. So someone is

1027
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: able to get up under them and tell all of

1028
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: the profitability, all the value of this, and how are

1029
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: we gonna be able to do it, and what you

1030
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: can resell it for and this and this and this,

1031
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: and imagine a person who has the financial capability to

1032
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: even and delve into a project like that. He's only

1033
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: seeing dollar signs. He not seeing what's in front of him,

1034
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: he ain't seeing what's being told to him. He's only

1035
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: taken to account of what he's going to make. And

1036
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: some of the biggest frauds in history have yeah suckers

1037
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: because a lot of those suckers are very greedy, and

1038
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: so that greed leaves them blind. They don't see the

1039
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: other side, behind the play, behind the play, all the

1040
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: strings being pulled, to all of the smoking mirrors here, Hi,

1041
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: they don't see it. So they only see one thing,

1042
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: them going into a bank, them seeing large amounts and

1043
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: digits on their account or big checks. They only see

1044
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: the end. They don't see everything that's going and in

1045
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: between it, and so it makes it very easy for

1046
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: them to be scammed. And it's crazy because you know,

1047
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: with this guy Steen said he only did a couple

1048
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: of times. With Parking himself said that he sold the

1049
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: bridge twice a week for several years. The sale prices varied.

1050
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: Supposedly he got fifty tho dollars a couple of times

1051
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: for the bridge, which back then was the equivalent of

1052
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: like getting a couple of million dollars today. So you

1053
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: got a guy us out that is able to sell

1054
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Bridge. But now it's not like he was

1055
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: just going to people saying, hey, this bridge. But still

1056
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: he had documents and he's a very convincing document that

1057
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: he owned that he owned the bridge because the people

1058
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: he was selling his bridge too was various stupid business people,

1059
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: and he was able to get baked. But the way

1060
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: with it, which takes me to go back to Peggy, now,

1061
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: I'll say that, to go back to Peggy, not only

1062
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: did she do these athletes, but she was able to

1063
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: dupe a doctor, a doctor, She was able to dup

1064
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: an engineer with fake projects, real estate projects that she

1065
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: had going on. And this was going on to the

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00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: she was getting in for this other stuff. She was

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00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: married to anesthesiologists when they all when Ricky went to Miami,

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00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: she was married to anesthesiologists, are very wealthy anesthesiologist. So

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00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: we talked about the embarrassment factor. I'm pretty sure, man,

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00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: they're probably fifty more people out there that may have

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00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: been duped by this woman. Her cons definitely, and I

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00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: think that just goes to speak of you know, her

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00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: scams and on the level that she was able to

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00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: do it. And you know, that's why we call this

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00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: the Peggy Show because Peggy literally put on an encore

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00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 1: of you know, prolific scamming for quite a bit of time.

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Speaker 1: And um, from what I'm understanding, you know, she's said

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00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: to be released sometime in and she'll be seventy years old.

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00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: So again, um, you know, she traded her time for

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00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: those millions. But I really wonder deeply now at this

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00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: point of her being this far along in her bid,

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00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: was it worth it? And I got a good thought

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00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: of what her answer is to herself, and I know

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00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: from me being in that it would be very good

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00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: if we can get her on the show. Man. I'm like,

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00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trying to find a way to see if

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00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: we can get in contact with her and maybe talk

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00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: to her, because I'm pretty sure because you're one of

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00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: the first people I heard you said that actually you're

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00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: doing time makes you a better person. I believe you know.

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Speaker 1: The thing about it is is, you know, from what

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00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: I understand, and she's contacted Ricky Williams and she's spoken

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00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: to him, and you know, she apologized deeply to him,

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00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: and I think that at one point even Ricky has

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00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: forgiven her for some of the things that she have

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00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: to at some point, yeah, definitely, because you know, when

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00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: you don't forgive people, it actually starts you in your

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00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: life as you can't progress because you've got this bitterness

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00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: and hatred in your heart towards somebody that wrongs you.

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00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: You gotta let that go your death them you do.

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01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: And I think you know that was big Ricky. I

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01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: had reached out and she reached out to him, and

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: she wanted to apologize, apologize to him. And I think

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01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: that the reality of everything that she definitely did, she

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01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: came to a sense of it again, if she would

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01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,959
Speaker 1: have given her energy, like you previously said, to really

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01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: invest in these young you know, athletes in the right way,

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: investing their money in the right vehicles. She understood how

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01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: these vehicles work. She understood the banking system, she understood

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01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: how credit products work, She understood these things. I just

1111
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: think that inside of that is a level of recklessness

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01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: that you know, she was definitely um dealing with and

1113
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: and she led them into a wreck as well. So UM,

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01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: hopefully you know she learned from everything and you know

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: she'll be home. Yeah. So yeah. Now you talk about

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01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: this program that you wanted to when you were in

1117
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: prison to deal with cognitive orders, right, and you talk

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01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: like you got actually delivered from your hustling addiction, which

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01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: is pretty much what it was that you got delivered

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Speaker 1: from that. How did that help you out? I think

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Speaker 1: more or less I was able to be inside of

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: this program, and I know that she probably has, you know,

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01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: dealt with a lot of different programs in there. They

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Speaker 1: offer a lot of programs. One of them is called

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: our DAP and it's a drug treatment program. And pretty

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: much whenever you go in there, you think that ain't

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01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna be just talking about drugs and us just

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: using drugs. You know. One of the first things that

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Speaker 1: they go at is, you know, cognitive distortion. All of

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01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: us as humans have some level of cognitive distortion and

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01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: having the ability to weigh out our thoughts. What are

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01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: we thinking about? Are you thinking about what you're thinking about?

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01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: And do you have a scale to put it on?

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: Like you know, you may walk up and you see

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01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: somebody large, big, like myself, threatening. Man, who's this? Who's

1136
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: the student gonna at? Why are you looking at me? Now?

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01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: Those are the thoughts that's going through your head. Man,

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: he must want to try me. Man, but he don't

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01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: even know what I'm on. Now, these are the thoughts

1140
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: that's going through your head. I'm built totally different, but

1141
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: he don't want that. Now, look at all of the

1142
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: thoughts that I just broke down to you that if

1143
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: you encounter the large dude and he was just staring

1144
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: at you. But then there's a difference if you have

1145
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: the ability to think different, like Buddy, maybe he might

1146
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: be lost, man, Maybe he just maybe he wants some help,

1147
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: maybe he needed maybe I need to point him in

1148
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: the right direction or whatever, you know what, whatever going

1149
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: on with him, I ain't gonna let him ruin my day,

1150
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: what I got going. I'm gonna go over here and

1151
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: do this and do that. Man, There ain't nothing. Man.

1152
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: Let me go over here and focus on what I

1153
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: gotta do with my son. You see the two different

1154
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: levels of thoughts. So being in this program gives you

1155
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: the ability to weigh out your thoughts instead of continuously

1156
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: letting the negative thoughts stay on a hamster wheel. And

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01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: it gives you the ability to feel different. So if

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: Buddy looking at me, I don't even know what he

1159
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: looking at and why are he looking at me like that?

1160
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: And Buddy, you don't want no smoke like that? Man,

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: Now just imagine the feelings that associate with those thoughts.

1162
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: The feelings is anger, hostility. So now I'm thinking and

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01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a certain way, and sooner or later than

1164
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: something to come of that. So there's gonna be an

1165
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: action to take place. So when you have the ability

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01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: to think different, and that's what this program definitely that

1167
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: I was in. It's very intense, but they sit down

1168
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: and let you, you know, open up on different levels

1169
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: and be able to process it and get the right

1170
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: type of feedback from other individuals, like, hey, you justified this.

1171
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: Oh well, if I didn't go out here and I

1172
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: didn't take you know, twenty million dollars worth it, you know,

1173
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: credit card from these people, somebody else was and any way,

1174
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: the bank was gonna pay them their bread back anyway. No,

1175
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: don't work like that. You gotta realize look beyond yourself.

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01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: Every time that person went to the story, they got

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01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: ready to swipe their car. You don't know what it

1178
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: was that they needed to use that car, groceries for

1179
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: their kids. So this is the level that I was

1180
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: thinking that on so long. Oh the bank gonna pay

1181
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: them back, It don't matter, they're gonna get their bread back.

1182
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: It's just I gotta go ahead and take care of

1183
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: mine first. That type of mentality is the way that

1184
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: I thought for so long, and it was created by

1185
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: my environment. The negative environment created my cognition about the

1186
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: way I thought, And those are the choices that I

1187
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: actually made. And so once I got in this program

1188
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: and was able to get the right type of feedback,

1189
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 1: the right type of therapy, to be able to talk

1190
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: to people like, hey, it ain't just about you. Everybody

1191
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: got feelings and everybody got hard times, everybody got bills

1192
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: to pay. You ain't the only one. So what you're

1193
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: just gonna wreck me out for? You come on that

1194
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: that you know? So then you get to thinking about it. Okay,

1195
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: So where did my thinking get me? My best thinking,

1196
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: all of my critical thinking of me being able to scam,

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01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: and me being able to get inside of the banks,

1198
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: and me be able to get these people credit card,

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01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: my best thinking got me nine years behind the federal

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01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: correctional facility. My best thinking put me there. So no

1201
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: matter how intelligent and smart I am, I'm smart enough

1202
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: to put my dumb self up in prison. Exactly. You know,

1203
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: she had a TV show that she was gonna producing everything.

1204
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: I would like to see that one day. Yeah, she

1205
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: was shopping in and I think at the time TV

1206
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: v H one. They both spidding for this show, and

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01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: I think BT was the first one that was able

1208
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: to catch it. It was gonna be called a Peggy

1209
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: show and they was gonna do a pilot with her

1210
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: or whatever now, and so yeah, they were. They were

1211
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: definitely in talk at the opportunities been lost. Well, it's

1212
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: been real, my brother, it definitely has. Sitting here and

1213
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: talk about Piggy. Episode one of Scams Scams, how to

1214
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: get Away with It and how to Get Caught? Definitely

1215
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: And we'll see you guys next week next week Scams. Yeah,

1216
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: how is that supposed to be recording? You know what

1217
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: are you laughing? You don't many times I don't have

1218
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: that happened to me. Happened to me twice, and I

1219
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: made sure would never happened again. That's the worst engineering joke.

1220
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: Still looked up, said, what's so good? It still looked

1221
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: us at what man really good? What's happening in the world.

1222
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: My name is Norm Steele and I'm A K. A

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Speaker 1: Gorilla B L A C K. And we want to

1224
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Speaker 1: talk to you today about our new show Scams. Scams,

1225
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: How to Get Away with It and How to Get Caught?

1226
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: Scams is weekly serious. We come in and we talk

1227
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: about scammers, people who have got over like the guy

1228
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: that sold the Brooklyn Bridge a couple of times. Yes,

1229
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: and also Peggy Fullford a k A. Mama, and a

1230
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: whole bunch of others, just crooked people and conniving people

1231
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: that happened to be the most curiousmatic the victuals in

1232
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: the world. Now you can find scams on your favorite

1233
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: podcast platform, Apple, Podcast, Spotify, you know, wherever you listen

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01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: to your podcasts. Also hit us up on YouTube at

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01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: the Digital Soapbox Network scams, how to get away with

1236
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: it and how to get caught? Is it right there?

1237
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: Makeing us like a little thirty forty second promo and

1238
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: have you just running that? Was it right there? Thanks? Yeah, Yeah,

1239
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: that's it. That's dope. That's dope. And then you'll be

1240
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: able to take it and you know,