1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: back with you. Buck. How you doing, man, man, I'm good. Uh. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: We're getting near the weekend. Another exciting football weekend. UM, 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: a lot of good games to talk about and DJ. 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: This time of year like it's kind of crept up 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: on us because COVID has kind of changed the way 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: that our body clock operates when it comes to the 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: football calendar. But when you get near Thanksgiving, it's kind 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: of time to start digging into the college prospects. And 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: so I'm beginning to find myself trying to really dig 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: in and kind of see what that one NFL draft 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: class is going to look like. Yeah, I'm powering through 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Man. So I've been rolling right along here 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: and getting a bunch of guys done the last few days. 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: Rashauns Later from Northwestern is really good. By the way. Uh, 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: who's a six ft he's listened at six ft three. 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Think he's gonna be high six threes. Um, maybe even 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: right at the six four mark, but a little bit 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: undersized for tackle, but I think he stays at tackle. 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Buck I think he's a big time, big time players. 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: So that's just one of the guys I've seen recently. 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,279 Speaker 1: Elijah Vera Tucker from USC is a really good player. 24 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Watching this Landon Dickerson, this big three pounds center at Alabama. 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: So I've just been powering through all these offensive linemen. 26 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: It's a good time to get that done. Yeah, it's 27 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: a good time. I mean, look in our in our 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: former life, we will be getting ready to hand in 29 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: all these reports. Like the week after Thanksgiving, that first 30 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: weekend in the center. Is that when you guys were doing. Yeah, 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: that's typically when it would be. Do the friday, um, 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: the Friday after Thanksgiving would typically be the end day 33 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: because you want to get all those reports in so 34 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: we can have that what we call those winter meetings. 35 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: We come in four weeks, we would go over the backboard, 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: and then we would stay in town, watch the game 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: and then kind of go on about our way with 38 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: bowl games and those things. And so that's always kind 39 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: of the deadline. It's always kind of the data to 40 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: have in mind, like, hey, I need to make sure 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: that I've done a really good job. But put myself 42 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: in position and know these players and you know, it's 43 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: it's it's different because everything is pushed back because we're 44 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: seeing the con championships in the Games moved into the 45 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: middle of December, which will alter it. But I still 46 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: kind of have that date mind that, you know, come Thanksgiving, 47 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: I need to make sure that I have enough uh 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: information and reports on these guys again to discuss them 49 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: and kind of stack him in order. Ours will always 50 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: do like the first week of December, um and my 51 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: birthday December five. So I was always like I always 52 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: kind of knew, okay, man, that's that's coming. I remember 53 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: lots of times where my wife would be like, Okay, 54 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna get together and have you know, family, and 55 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't. I gotta way too many reports 56 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: to write. We'll get my birthday next year. But you 57 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: would always have to uh circle back to the schools 58 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: you went to earlier the year, right, So you go 59 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: those first couple of weeks, you go through your fall calendar, 60 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: and actually after you got to you know, the middle 61 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: of i'd probably say early October, middle October, those guys 62 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: that you watched, you watched your you know, three or 63 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: four games, you put them in the books. They were 64 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: done like you weren't even gonna revisit them. But guys 65 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: you might have went and saw in August or early September. 66 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: You put grades in on them, you write reports on them. 67 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: But now at the end you're like, Okay, well I 68 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: need to see how they played, you know, in some 69 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: real games this year, so you have to go back 70 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: and watch some more tape on those guys and pound 71 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: them out. And I actually would go to uh. I 72 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: would go to Starbucks. And this is like if we're 73 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: kind of dating ourselves here, but this was like the 74 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: early time with you know, like WiFi at at pace right. 75 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: So to me, we had little kids with four little 76 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: kids when I was scouting, so to try and get 77 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: that stuff done, I got So there's a starbus Starbucks 78 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: right down the street. So I would go in there 79 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: with my big old bows headphones on, put my headphones on, 80 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: sit there with a with a coffee, and just I 81 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: mean I could write some days book. I'd write forty reports, 82 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: like just like it's funny, DJ, sometimes you talked about 83 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: doing that. Sometimes I would. I would set up a 84 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: trip just to be able to go to a hotel 85 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: away from everything and just be able to lock in 86 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: and focus in. You know, you kind of keep your schedule. Hey, 87 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a work hard from I'm gonna eat from 88 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: uh sixty to seven, I'm gonna work from seven to noon. 89 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take an hour lunch break from noon one, 90 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get back at it and have dinner 91 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: at around six. And I'm gonna trying and hammer through 92 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: all of these workouts and these reports. And the thing 93 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: about the reports, the hardest reports for me the right 94 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: were never the good guys free agency. It's always the 95 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: guys that are on the fringe because you're trying to 96 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: make sure that you feel good about Like, hey, you 97 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to reject this prospect, and so 98 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: let me make sure that I kind of adopt my 99 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: eyes like you were. You were you a c y, 100 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: a grader um a little bit with that, like I 101 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: didn't like to like I would like now. I'm a 102 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: lot different in terms of that, like now I wouldn't 103 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: waste my time A lot are really trying to focus 104 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: more so on the guys that I really really like 105 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: so I can really sell them. But a lot of 106 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: times it depends on the people that you work for 107 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: and how they go about it, because it takes a 108 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: level of confidence. Like we've talked about the New England 109 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: Patris and we can say whatever we want to about 110 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: their draft record. I do think there's something noble to 111 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: try and to have a board that only consist of 112 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: maybe seventy to a hundred guys, and those set any 113 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: five two hundred being guys that you really like, not 114 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: guys that I'm saying like, hey, if he gets drafted, 115 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: I I don't want the owner or someone to come 116 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: in and say, hey, who's this guy that has taken 117 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: in the second round, but we don't have them on 118 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: our board. But I think there's a level of confidence 119 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: and maybe even arrogance that comes to, hey, we know 120 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: exactly what we want, we know exactly what we're looking at. 121 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: These are the guys that we like. I wish that 122 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: I had evolved to that point as a greater, to 123 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: be able to confidently stand in the room and say, no, 124 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: I don't believe this guy can help us. He's not 125 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: necessarily a good fit for us. And I know that 126 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: in saying this that I know he's going to be 127 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: drafted in the third round. But based on the things 128 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: you said that we want he's not a player for us, 129 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: but DJ takes It takes a lot of confidence, but 130 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: it also takes the backup of your higher ups and 131 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: everyone in the room. They have to see the game 132 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: out of the same vision. And so when we think 133 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: about some of these jobs that are going to come 134 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: open with general managers, boss and how they redo and 135 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: reshuffle the deck when it comes to their personnel staffs, 136 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean it takes a visionary, and it takes a 137 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: visionary being able to clearly communicate here the guys that 138 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: fit us. Here's what we are non negotiable about in 139 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: terms about traits on and off the field. And we're 140 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: fine if everyone thinks they were a little odd or 141 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: quirky because we don't like certain guys, but these are 142 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: the guys that fit us in over time it will 143 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: play out. Yeah, that's one of the things that you know, 144 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: I think it is a good, good project for us 145 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: as we go towards the spring, is trying to maybe, 146 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: instead of talking about just the players that they're going 147 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: to bring in, if we could kind of maybe lay 148 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: out the vision for a team, like what what you know? 149 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: We always say you gotta have an identity, So what's 150 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: the identity of this team, and then that can help 151 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: us as we're talking about players that would fit in 152 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: with them and say, Okay, this is what they've kind 153 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: of built, you know, not a playoff team, but we 154 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: can see some of these core pieces here and we 155 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: see them going in this direction. Like I thought, Buffalo 156 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: is a great example of that. We kind of knew 157 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: what Buffalo was trying to do and how they were 158 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: trying to build it, and they kind of just followed 159 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: the blueprint. Yeah, you know the funny thing, And I 160 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: think this would be a great project, particularly where we're 161 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: sitting right because we're sitting on outside in and our 162 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: job is to take what we know from talking to 163 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: people inside of the league and kind of spread their 164 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: gospel to the masses in terms of, like this is 165 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: how this team thinks. And because I think we're really 166 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: really close to the people in Buffalo, because we have 167 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: intimate relationships with them, we gotta understand what they're looking 168 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: for in terms of what's the overall vision for how 169 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: this team wants to go. We've had Brandon being on 170 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: the show, we know multiple guys within the organization organization 171 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: really closely as friends, and so I think we have 172 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: a really good sense of Hey, they want tough, hard 173 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: working blue color guys that are competitive. Um, I would 174 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: say low ego just kind of work the best way 175 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: to describe it. They just want worker bees. The only 176 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: guys that come to work, punster clock, go to work. 177 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: They're productive, they do that. They're not gonna have a 178 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: lot of the extra stuff off the field, and it 179 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: works for them. And I think because of that, as 180 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: we look at this team climbing us in to the 181 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: top of the a f C East, the team really 182 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: looks like that vision. They're tough, they're hard working, they're competitive. 183 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: They have a bunch of guys who don't strike us 184 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: as big ego guys. They're confident, but they don't have 185 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: all the other stuff and it fits and I think 186 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: all of the pieces of the puzzle really really fit together. 187 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: And as we've talked about this offense being built around 188 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, well, Josh Allen is one of those guys, 189 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: and I think one of the things that I may 190 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: have underestimated about him is just how much he cares 191 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: about it and how much he works at it. It's 192 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: not always perfect and flawless, but because he works so 193 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: hard at it that he has been able to overcome 194 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: some of the things that we thought would be challenges 195 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: for him as a prospect, and so um, you surround 196 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: him with the right pieces and the right play call 197 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: and all the other stuff. Lo and behold, you have 198 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: a quarterback that plays at a franchise level and you're 199 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: able to build a championship can contendue team. And so 200 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: I do believe like some of the stuff that we're 201 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: tasked to do going forward in terms of like kind 202 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: of trying to figure out how the pieces of the 203 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: puzzle fit as we're making these for Jackson's about players. 204 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: The more that we know about organizations and how the 205 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: decision makers think, the better will be in terms of 206 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: explaining the why behind this is why this player is 207 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: a good pick or good fit for them, whereas he 208 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: may not be a good pick or fit for other places. Yeah, No, 209 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: I think it's a really good point. I think that's 210 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: a good challenge for us as we go towards the spring. 211 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: One other scouting question before we get to our buddy here, 212 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: because Dani or Lobski is gonna join us here in 213 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: just a second, give you that interview, and Dan's you know, 214 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: he's one of the best. He really is outstanding. So 215 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: looking forward to that conversation. But before we get there, um, 216 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: with the limits on being able to be in person 217 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: and practice and watch these guys, these college players going 218 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: through the draft process. We talked about the challenges this year. 219 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: To me, if you have really really close relationships at 220 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: some of these schools, aren't you trying to work something 221 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: out and say, hey, maybe run once the season is over. 222 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: I know we're not allowed in your facility, but can 223 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: you can you uh, you know, maybe if you just 224 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: give me a log in so I can just watch 225 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: your practice tape. Just give me a day where I 226 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: can just go through your practice. Maybe the games are over. 227 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: You're not worried about me, you know, any of this 228 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: going where it's not supposed to go. But I just 229 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: want to be able to watch these guys practice because 230 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: I think you're flying blind a little bit when you 231 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: don't get a chance to get out there and see 232 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: them compete on the practice. But we see the game tape, 233 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: but the practice field is an important component. It is 234 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: a important important component. So here here's what's happening and 235 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: what's bubbling up at the high school level. Um. Uh, 236 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: some of the I guess showcases or whatever that I've 237 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: been associated with, like what they're doing DJ their videotaping. 238 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: These guys uh running combine like drill, so they're running 239 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: the forty, they're doing the shore shuttles and all those things, 240 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: and then they're doing individual work and it's all videoed 241 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: and documented, and then the Senate the colleges and so 242 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: the colleges are basically looking at these guys work out, 243 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes offers are coming after that. While I think 244 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: as a scout, if you have a relationship with someone 245 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: in the building, and hopefully if you've been in your 246 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: area and you canvassed your area for a while and 247 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: you've Pepper the video guy with hats and T shirts 248 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: and all kinds of good maybe you can have their relationship. 249 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: We say, hey, here, here's what I need. If you 250 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: can just send me a couple of clips from individual 251 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: maybe team things that are nonconsequential things. I don't need 252 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: to know you scheme or whatever, but I just need 253 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: to kind of see this guy move around and go 254 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: through the bags and how is he in his group? 255 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: Is he first, is he last? How hard does he work? 256 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: Just so I can get a general assessment of not 257 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: only the athleticism and stuff, but just get a feel 258 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: for the work ethic that he exhibits during practice. That 259 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: will go a long way to helping me begin to 260 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: make some football character assessments. And so it does require, um, 261 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,479 Speaker 1: your relationships to be solid with not only the liaison 262 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: and maybe the position coach, but others in the building 263 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: that can help you, um get a tape and the 264 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: information that you need. The other thing I was thinking 265 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: of was think about all these big time especially SEC programs, 266 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: right or they all have these analysts. You know, they 267 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: have a Cilian analysts most of them, or former coach 268 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: is if you're an NFL team, Um, it wouldn't be 269 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: a bad year if you wanted to beef up for 270 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: a little bit and just say I know what the 271 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: pandemic and budgets are and everything. But man, if I 272 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: if I'm a general manager, I might be saying, hey, 273 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: let's go, let's go hire one of the analysts from 274 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson. Like that's three hires right there, 275 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: because those three guys are gonna be able to have 276 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: more insight on that those group of players. If we 277 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: if we get two of those guys just too. It's 278 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: worth hiring those three guys to really really nail down 279 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: and get to know those kids. Yeah, it's really good 280 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: in DJ. I would even think of it from a 281 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: macro perspective. So let's just let's go on board and 282 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: let's just say we can do the part time consultant 283 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: thing for five guys and get an analysts from each 284 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: of the Power five conferences because he's not only gonna 285 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: know the team that he's associated with, but he's also 286 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: going to know the league because that's what they do. 287 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: They look at other teams and so you have a 288 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: base level knowledge and what some of the other players 289 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: look like, uh, and be able to give you just 290 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: a different perspective. And so I do believe you will 291 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: see that because it's such an interesting time and you know, 292 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: we really haven't talked about the challenges of how guys 293 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: are going about their business. We talked about it before 294 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: the season, but now it will be a good time 295 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: to check in and ask some of the general managers 296 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: and directors, how are you guys handling this? Like there's 297 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: so many hours in day. Yeah, you can watch the tape, 298 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: but what are your guys doing to to to kind 299 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: of fill in the rest of the stuff, the character 300 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: profiles and what these players are doing, who else are 301 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: they talking to, how they're gathering the necessary information to 302 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: be able to make these decisions between prospect A and 303 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: Prospect B, and um, knowing if these guys are really 304 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: good fits in the locker room, and then and looking 305 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: at I mean, the East West Shrine Game is not 306 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: going to go. The Senior Bowl is still planning to go. 307 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: But some of these things that would be used as 308 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: the type breaker, well, if we don't have the top 309 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: breakers in place, how do we do how do we 310 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: separate these guys? This year, more than any of the year, 311 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: will be the most fascinating watch when it comes to 312 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: how guys go about picking players, because as you have 313 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: incomplete profiles all over the board, but the clock is 314 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: gonna be taken and you can have to pick a 315 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: good player. Yep, you better figure out. You better have 316 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: some ends to get with those workout facilities to dial 317 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: and get information and get video everything else that those 318 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: workout spots where guys are going to be, some of 319 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: them already there because the guys that opted out already 320 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: doing that. So, um, it's gonna be different here man. Yeah. 321 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: One of the thing you talked about the workout facilities. 322 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: You know who else is going to be invaluable, UM 323 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: guys who are the gurus that their respective positions right 324 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: so um without some of those quarterback guys like like 325 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer and Quincy Avery and those guys like people 326 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: to talk to them, but they're also duke Manu Weathers. 327 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: I talked to anywhether, Yeah, do many whether when it 328 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: comes to offensive line play and those guys who are 329 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: your wide receiver gurus de Rob down in Texas, who 330 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: has done a lot of work with uh, Dad Bryant 331 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: and others. Being able to talk to those guys about 332 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: what they have. T j Heshman's out of offers out 333 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: a lot of advice because he always deals with a 334 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: bunch of wide receivers. Those guys will have a row. 335 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: It may not be a significant role in terms of 336 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: like how people think, but because they're around those guys 337 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: and they're going to see him work, they'll be able 338 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: to circulate videos as well, and some of that stuff 339 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: will have an impact on how people UH decide anybody 340 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: way these players. I went up and met with t 341 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: j uh last year Buck and he had just got 342 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: done working with with Tee Higgins and Tee Higgins. Yeah, 343 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: he had a bunch of different guys, but he had 344 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: worked with te Higgins and he told me he's like 345 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: Tee Higgins is the is the most talented receiver in 346 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: this draft, like he loved Tee Higgins. Of course, his 347 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: relationship with the Bengals, I'm sure we can ask him. 348 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure that probably had a little Bengals picking him 349 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: and um so guys like that being able to tap 350 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: into guys like that, and I'm not saying you go 351 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: off their pure evaluation, but they can tell you, hey, 352 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: the crazy thing. You'll be shocked. People I think would 353 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: be shocked when you find out, like DeAndre Baker is 354 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: a great example, right, he just getting another shot now 355 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: with Kansas City Chiefs. DeAndre Baker. When you talk to 356 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: the folks at the workout facility where he was training, 357 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: he was constantly late, didn't show up, you know, just 358 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: just simple things like is the guy on time as 359 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: he show up with his lunch bill ready to work 360 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: every single day? Like forget you tell me how how 361 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: he jumped in the vertical and all that stuff. I 362 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: want to know, is he consistent, reliable, accountable, and that 363 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: that was one of the knocks on him because of 364 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: what you heard at the training facility. Yeah, so it's funny, right. 365 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: So years ago, I don't even know if I even 366 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: share this with you. Um years ago, it was the 367 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: Bradley Roby draft when Bradley Roeby came out. He was 368 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: the first round pick. So I worked with Bradley Roby 369 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: and Terrence Mitchell. I trained them over at the high school. 370 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: I did a lot of their individual positions, specific work 371 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: and we were going through it, and I remember taking 372 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: video of the two guys, and you know the thing 373 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: that I was saying, I like, I said this to Bradley, 374 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: So I'm fine with it. Terrence Mitchell, I'll work Bradley Roby. 375 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: When it came to the workout to the point where 376 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine look at the tape 377 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: and I said, I want you to tell me which 378 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: one you think is going to be the first rounder 379 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: and which one you think is going to be the 380 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: late round. And they pointed to te Mitchell as the 381 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: first round because of the footwork and the way that 382 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: he worked. I said, no, he's probably not going to 383 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: be that. Bradley he's the guy that's gonna be it. 384 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: But what I had to tell Bradley is, hey, we 385 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: we have to up your work ethic, Like we gotta 386 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: your urgency in these workouts and those things. And so 387 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: that's some of the information that scouts will ask these trainers, Hey, 388 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: how does this guy work? Is he first in? Is 389 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: he lasting? Does he do any extra stuff on his own? 390 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: Do you have to kind of hold his hand to 391 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: get him to do stuff? Is he laid to these 392 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: other meetings and things that you guys have set up. Yeah, 393 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: you want a lot of insight. And because we haven't 394 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: been able to get into the college facilities this year, 395 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: those opinions will matter a little more. I won't say 396 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: that they will uh supersede what the college guys say, 397 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: but they certainly we have some weight, no doubt. Um 398 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: I did see by the way, the bill posted his 399 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: birthdays only two days after my December seven. I believe 400 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: that's Pearl Harbor Day, December seven there in the bill. Um, 401 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: so a couple of days apart with a little joint 402 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: birthday party here on remember six will do that. Okay, 403 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: so you're in the bill having a joint birthday party. Well, 404 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: what kind of cake are we at? Well, he's gonna 405 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: half of it's gonna be green and she's kurds on 406 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: the top. I'm sure you know what kind of birthdake 407 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: cake do you like? I know I'm a chocolate I've 408 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: always been a chocolate guy. Well, muh no, I would 409 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: say the birthday cake. Uh, you know, like that. I 410 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: think that's what they call, right, like the birthday kick 411 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: ice cream stuff? Uh like that. So it's a lighter, 412 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: a lighter ice cream with the duck. But now I 413 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: can't do uh, I can't do anything, so you can 414 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: do that. I was just wanting out because because I 415 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: go back and forth because it's always them, because sometimes 416 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: I like a little yellow cake with chocolate icing, which 417 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: is always a fake. Oh you know, I take that back. 418 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: Growing up, every year on my birthday was yellow cake 419 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: chocolate icing. True story. Before we get to Orlovsky. So 420 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: we're newly married and my wife knew that, Uh, yellow 421 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: cake chocolate icing is my jam. So it's my it's birthday. 422 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: We're newly married, and I come home and she's got 423 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: this yellow cake with the with the ice on it. 424 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I can't wait. I take I take 425 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: a piece. I just have like a couple of bites. Ago. 426 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: I thank you so much. That was so nice. I love, 427 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, really nice and I kind of just like 428 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: tossed it. She goes. She goes, She's like, uh, did 429 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: you not like it? I'm like, no, no no, no, no, 430 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: it was it was good. I'm just see how I'm 431 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: not not real hungry. She takes a bite, she goes, 432 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I got lemon cake. It was lemon 433 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: cake instead of the yellow. Just the yellow didn't have 434 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: the same You got sport though. You get sport because 435 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: you try to put it off, you try to go 436 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: with it. But yeah, that's this is like the yellow 437 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: cake with the chocolate icing. Um. I'm also a sucker 438 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: for two cakes. Red velvet cake. I don't like red 439 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: velvet cake. Yeah, like it can be tricky because depending 440 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: on who makes it. Um, what about carrot cake? I 441 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: kind of like carrot cake. I like carrot cake. Cream 442 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: cheese frosting is yeah a must. But also there's this 443 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: thing called like it's like a socket to me, cake 444 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: like this is a sudden thing. It is super dupers sweet, 445 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: has a lot of butter. Sometimes we put like a 446 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: little uh sentiment on top. It is almost like a 447 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: butter pound cake with like a little cinnamon, lin sugar, 448 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: a little this. Do you like? Do you like? Do 449 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: you like the cake? The hot lava cakes? I will, 450 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: but you know what it's It's funny, right because I 451 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: like chocolate, but I always have to if I'm gonna 452 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: have chocolate, I have to ice cream to kind of 453 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: take it down and that because sometimes it can be 454 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: too rich for me. That's why that lava cake with 455 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: the little with the little vanilla ice cream. There's Yeah, 456 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: they even have the place Roy's. Did you ever eat it? Roy's? 457 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: It's like Hawaiian Fusion restaurant or whatever. I've never I've 458 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: never been in there. I've seen it because up here 459 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: in l A y Matt there there's one not too 460 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: far away. I've just never so they're still in Yeah, 461 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: like a Hawaiian fusion restaurant. They had a great they 462 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: had a great uh little a lot of a cake 463 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: there or whatever you call that. I don't even I 464 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: don't know what that's what it's called. It looks like 465 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: a volcano, right, just get that comes out of it 466 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: because it comes out there all right. That's that's that's it. 467 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: Get me hungry. Now I'm ready for I'm a little hungry. 468 00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: We're not well, we're not gonna eat what we're new. 469 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to our buddy, dan Orlovsky, who's as 470 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: good as it gets. Everybody knows him as a former quarterback, 471 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: uh long time NFL quarterback, but it's really turned himself 472 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: into one of the best analysts in the country and 473 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: really explains the game clearly. And he's a he's he's 474 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: okay to pook some fun at himself too, which we enjoy. 475 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: So here's our conversation with Dan Orlovski. All right, buck, 476 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: here he is dan Orlowski joining us. Dan. First of all, man, 477 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: nice of you to do this while filming a Lincoln 478 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: commercial as you're driving a car. Appreciate that. But yeah, 479 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: McConaughey was busy. Uh they thought who who was probably 480 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: the next most attractive in the public side physical presidence 481 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: came to me and um, I'm just this is just 482 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: a little side job for myself. I love it. I 483 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: love you, dude. We'll take what we can get here. 484 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: Get you on the move here on on the way 485 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: to work. Uh. First question, I want to hit you 486 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: up on something we were talking about on the phone 487 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: the other day, because we we talked so much about quarterbacks, 488 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: and we talked so much about you know, players and 489 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: how they're progressing. But I don't think we've spent a 490 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: lot of time talking about coaches. And you've had a 491 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: chance to play for a bunch of different guys. So 492 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: as some of these teams that are are headed towards 493 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: a change here in the offseason, in your opinion, as 494 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: a player at the most important position, what do you 495 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: need in a head coach to be successful here we 496 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: are heading towards Yeah, I mean, besides all the obvious 497 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: leadership stuff or whatnot. Like I think the difference between 498 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: a good coach and a great coaches. You know, they 499 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: both set an expectation and or a standard for the 500 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: players and the team and the organization. But the great 501 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: coaches understand that you know, that player he needs these 502 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: tools to get there and to to go reach that standard, 503 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: and that player he needs different tools and those these 504 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: great coaches, Sean McVeigh Daniel was great with this. Like 505 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh was very clear with what he wanted out 506 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: of the rams at every player and with everyone within 507 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: their organization of the expectation of standard. But Sean had 508 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: this great feel and understanding. You know, Jared Goff needs 509 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: needs this. Well, um, you know, Josh Reynolds needs this, 510 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: and h Tyler Higbee needs this. And so he gave 511 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: all degree equipped all these guys with these different tools 512 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: to go and become the great players are the really 513 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: good players that he thought they could be. And I 514 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: think that that really separates great coaches. Good coaches just 515 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: come in and they just pound the table. Everybody's gonna 516 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: do it this way, and that doesn't happen that way. Okay, 517 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: coaches subpart coaches do it that way, where the great 518 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: ones equipped their players with different tools to go accomplish 519 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: that goal. You know. Then it's it's interesting because I 520 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: saw you give a passion retort to some of the 521 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: stuff that May Patricia said about Detroit, because obviously Jim 522 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: Callwell had proceeded Ma Patricia justin talking about the differences. 523 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: Because you talk about how great coaches empower players. Can 524 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about what you learned from 525 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: Jim Callwell in terms of that empowerment movement when it 526 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: comes to giving players the tools that they need to 527 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: be successful. Oh man, how much time we have? You know, 528 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: like I think, I think Coach Caldwell, you know, it 529 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: was my favorite coach um that I've ever like had 530 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: as a head coach when it came to my time 531 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and was I was around some really 532 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: cool ones, but but Coach call we had this great, 533 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: great way of every day getting our team to focus 534 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: on a fine night bowl. Like, hey guys, today's a Wednesday, 535 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: and I don't really care what happened Tuesday, Monday or stick. 536 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: Today's Wednesday, and you know, we are gonna focus as 537 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: a football team on effort. And he kind of gave everything. 538 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 1: He would give us this, okay, effort is this? You know, 539 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: he would give us a different visual what effort actually 540 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: wasn't Sometimes it wasn't always tied to a football play, 541 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, and he would he would break down effort 542 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: for us or whatever the adjective was in a way 543 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: where we all could understand it. You know, we all 544 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: no matter if you played backup quarterback, you were the 545 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: starting defensive tackle, you were the Hall of Fame, future 546 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame my receiver, like, we all understood effort, 547 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: and he gave us the ability to Okay, that's my 548 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: focus on today, and then we'll break it down like so, well, 549 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: understand this is what this will look like for you 550 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: guys throughout the day. You know, your effort in our 551 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: meeting rooms means you're gonna open up your notebook and 552 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: take your notes, and I like those things. Um. Your 553 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: effort is when we take a five minute break, you 554 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: actually take your five minute break and you don't go 555 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: scrolling on social media or you go get some fuel. Um. 556 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: He would have snacks in our locker room in that moment, 557 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: So you know there was an effort towards maximizing our day. Um, 558 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: the effort of practice and what that looked like from 559 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: individual drills to nine on seven, seven on seven, Like 560 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: he would just he would always give us a very 561 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: a very clear focus on what that day, why it 562 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: was important, and what was that focus constantly changing using 563 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: storytelling to magnify it. Um, And it just gave every 564 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: like maybe for me, I learned visually, and for other 565 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: guys they learned emotionally, and for other guys they learned 566 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: UM scheme wise and just he was always giving us 567 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: so many different ways to focus on what the goal 568 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: of the day was. UM. It was. It was just 569 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: a really awesome experience, and that that's just the small 570 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: part of how he went say today. I love that 571 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: we we were talking about the other day. I mentioned that, look, 572 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: good leaders will give you the destination. Great leaders leaders 573 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: will give you the directions and the directions. It's just 574 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: like if you open up your app one day on 575 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: the way to work, it's gonna have you take the 576 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: back row. The other day, it's gonna have you get 577 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: on the highway. There's different ways to get to the 578 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: same destination. I think those good coaches have ways to 579 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: do that individually with their players. I love the visual 580 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: of that. Dan. When when you when we look at 581 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, I want to talk about him for a second. Here, 582 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: what we talked about with him and the run up 583 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: to the draft and you studied him going through the 584 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: college tape there at l s U. What have you 585 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: seen from him from l s U to the NFL, 586 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: and has your opinion on him changed whatsoever? I think 587 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: my opinion on him as elevated. And I loved him 588 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: coming out of l s U. Like I just thought 589 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: he was gonna be like Steve Young in a way 590 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know yet the Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. 591 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make this play work. Talent, that skill, 592 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: that trade, like you know, watching him on tape, and 593 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: I know Brian Callahan and Zach Taylor a little bitter 594 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: head coach as a coordinator, and so I've shot some 595 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: messages over to them. And you know, sometimes coaches called 596 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: plays and they're really good. Place the defense just wins 597 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: that rep like the defense they just called the better 598 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: play or their guys executed it better, and Joe will 599 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: still make that play work. And I think that is 600 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: you know this, that is that real, really rare error 601 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: that you can't touch, you can't measure. And I think 602 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: that I didn't know he had that in his game, 603 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: or I didn't know it would translate so quickly into 604 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: the NFL. We all, you know, you saw the field 605 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: really well at LSU, but oftentimes it was out of 606 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: empty sets. He's seeing the old out of everything, you know, 607 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: condensed formations, twelve personnel like, he's seeing the field no 608 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: matter what the personnel or for the formation is. And 609 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: so that's amazing to see that it doesn't have to 610 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: strictly be out of the empty The anticipation is out 611 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: of this world. Um. And you know, I mean, like 612 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm so big on like I need you to make 613 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: the right throw at the right moment. I don't really 614 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: care if you can make all the throws, make the 615 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: right one at the right time. And I just see 616 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: that constantly on his tape. But sometimes the ball has 617 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: gotta get stepped on, and get stepped on. As good 618 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: as Joe came, we all know it is another massive arm. 619 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: But sometimes that ball's gotta have a little love on 620 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 1: it and thrown to a certain shoulder. And he just 621 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: does that really well. And then you know, obviously the 622 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: instincts and the reactions are just um, they're they're what 623 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: a number one pick should have. Uh. And so I 624 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: as much as I love him out of school, I 625 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: love him even more now. You know. It's funny, um damn. 626 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: Because the opinions were split on someone who was taken 627 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: shortly after him, and that was Justin Herbert. There was 628 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty in terms of who is this 629 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: player coming from Oregon, what will he be at the 630 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: next level? Uh, But now everyone is excited about Justin Herbert. 631 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: When you popped into the tape and you've watched him 632 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: over the first half of the season, like Wes stands 633 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: out about Justin Herbert, I'd say this, Bucky, like, fundamentally, 634 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: he's really really really good. Like he's got fantastic fundamentals. 635 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: And I do think that it's overlooked a little bit 636 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: because he's such a big time, like powerful athlete. A 637 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: lot of times when those big, powerful athletes come into 638 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: the NFL at quarterback, certainly over the last couple years, 639 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: like their fundamentals aren't great, you know. And so he's 640 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: got great fundamentals when it comes to his drop and 641 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: his throwing motion, the pocket movement. So the fundamentals are 642 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: really good. And then I like I mentioned like he's 643 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: got that big, powerful athletic body, and those two things 644 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: have been combined with, you know, like this aggressive thought process, 645 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 1: his the confidence in himselself to make all these unique 646 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: throps uh to make place, to extend place. And I 647 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: think those three variables gotta married together with I think 648 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator Session is doing a nice job. And 649 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: so you know, those three variables tied to that play 650 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: car that seems comfortable has really allowed him to flourish. 651 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: Because I'll be honest with due, Bucky like I called 652 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: some of his games in college. I I did some 653 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: of his games. I did a game on the road 654 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: against Arizona when they were the hundred and fifteen ranked 655 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: defense in college football, and he couldn't do a thing, 656 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: like he could not do a thing against them. And 657 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: I was just sitting there in that game, going like, 658 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: come on, man, if you're that good of a player, 659 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: this shouldn't be happening. And I was obviously get wrong, 660 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: But I think the aggression is the most, uh the most, 661 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: the biggest difference from college into the end of Oh 662 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: he's aggressive with the ball. One of the things I'm 663 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna clip off a little bit of 664 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: this and give it back to you because you look 665 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: like an angel with the light of Heaven is shining 666 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: on you. If you're sitting in the back of this 667 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: car right now and it's really the best you've ever looked. 668 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: It kind of blurs a little bit, you can't see. 669 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't say much. Look, I'm actually gonna take that 670 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: and like, maybe just replay it when my kids they're 671 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: in homeschool, like are dis fighting each other over a 672 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: sharp and pencil. I'm just gonna play that. You've been 673 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: generally your time here. Dan, I'm not gonna keep you 674 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: much longer, but I want to. We were talking about 675 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: this the other day on the podcast about the the 676 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: the pure pocket passer era is over their dinosaurs. They're 677 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: not coming in the league. The reason those guys are 678 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: able to survive and still be successful when you look 679 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: at the Bradies, uh you know, and the Breezes is 680 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: the fact and even Rivers when he's going right, is 681 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: because they've had the time to accumulate the knowledge to 682 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: be able to to win the game with their head. Well, 683 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: you're not afforded that luxury in that time to develop 684 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: to learn that much. If you're an a MO guy, 685 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: it's just it's darner impossible to come in to the 686 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: league if you can't move. The last couple of bus 687 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: we've had, if you want to label them as such, 688 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: when you look at Josh Rosen, you look at Dwayne Haskins, 689 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: what do they have in common? Either one of them 690 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: can really move or get away from any type of 691 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: pressure that they're going to have in front of them. 692 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: So when you look at the we use the term 693 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: the acceptable level of athleticism, like you can okay, we 694 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: can work with this, what does that look like to you? 695 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: Like the bare minimum threshold you have to meet to 696 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: be successful that position in Yeah, you have to be 697 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: able to go above the xs and os. You have 698 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: to be able to go above that. And again that's 699 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: kind of probably relatively similar to what I've mentioned with 700 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Like you know, you you're gonna have moments 701 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL where the code that the defense wins 702 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: the rep and to be one of these really good 703 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: players at that position, especially early on, you've got to 704 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: have the athleticism that extends that rent. Like I kind 705 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: of call it with Kyler Murie, Like Kyler Murray has 706 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: a um a pre snep progression and then he has 707 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: like an two and a half seconds after the snap progression. 708 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: Were like, those guys are changing the plays really mid play. 709 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: They're creating you know, we call a cream offense, and 710 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: we're like, they're creating new past plays after two seconds 711 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: post snap because the athleticism allows that play to become 712 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: something more than what it looked like on paper. And 713 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: that's what I mean by going above those exces and 714 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: ohs and um it's it's you're dead on with that. 715 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating. I'm actually doing, you know, the college 716 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: game this week with Kyle Trask and I had him 717 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: last weekend, and our producer that this morning asked me 718 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: if he keeps playing well as your first round pick 719 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: and I said no. He said why. I said, because 720 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: he's two five and he's he's a really good player. 721 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 1: He's a really good player, but he can't go above 722 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: the excess and ohs and you know the way it's 723 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: needed at that position nowadays. You know, Dan Um, Before 724 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: we let you go, I want to ask you this 725 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: because having been a quarterback for a bunch of different 726 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: play callers, I'm always fascinated by the real impact that 727 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: a play caller has on the quarterbacks effectiveness or his 728 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: ability to play. We see so many young quarterbacks that 729 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: are immediately judged by their performance. How much of that, though, 730 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: is really tied to the guy who was calling the 731 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: place for them. Do can the play caller elevate or 732 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: even diminish what a player can do at that quarterback position. 733 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: I think that answer is yes and both. You know. 734 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: I think one a play caller can kind of um 735 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: magnify how good a guy is. Um. I think that 736 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: when these play callers look at these young quarterbacks, you know, 737 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: I wish that so many of them would just go 738 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: you know. I think there's examples that Greg Roman with 739 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: Lamar's accident last year, Like Greg saw Lamar was great 740 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: and a couple of different things, and they just did 741 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: that a lot. Lamar was just unstoppable. I think Brian 742 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: Nables doing that with Josh Allen right now. You know, 743 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: the way that they get the ball out of his hands. 744 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like it's almost like the Golden 745 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: State Warriors where it's layups and three pointers. They don't 746 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: they don't really believe in trying to shooting mid range 747 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: because that Josh does well, that's what he does best. 748 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: And so I think that these coordinators that get this 749 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: as a play caller, they just try to find the 750 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: things that the guys are really good and do it 751 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: a ton, and then the stuff that they're not good at, 752 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: and it sounds simple, you know, they don't really do it. 753 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, they stay away from it. And that's why 754 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: I think that, Like if you're a play caller and 755 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: you don't know what your quarterback is good at or 756 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: you do, and you continue to try to force feed 757 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: it or call it because you've seen it work for 758 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: another quarterback six years ago. Like that's when you can 759 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: really really significantly hurt a guy. And I think that 760 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: there's play callers in the NFL that are completely separating 761 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: themselves in those two aspects. Alright. I was actually trying 762 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: to google the script for a Lincoln commercial to have 763 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: you read some lines, but I think I couldn't pull 764 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: it up in time, so I failed on that way. 765 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: But the last thing, the last thing I'm gonna give 766 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: you here because I want to get your your comments here. 767 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: We're me and Bucky were talking about this last night 768 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: because some players are hard to compare and Kyler Murray 769 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: is kind of a one of one, but I finally 770 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: found the comparison for him, and I want to get 771 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: your thoughts on. I said, Kyler Murray is Patrick Mahomes 772 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: if you left him in the dryer too long and 773 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: strapped a jet pack to his back. That was my 774 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: comparison there for for Kyler Murray. That's like, that's like 775 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: that that is a all time scouting you know, that 776 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: candid compliment like hey man, you're super short, like technically 777 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: literally shrunk um, but you're exclusive because we've got a 778 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: nitrous oxide on your back, like I'm gonna I'm gonna 779 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: build you up, but also saw you in half. I 780 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I love it. I would. Uh. 781 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if I like a com I 782 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: think he's, um, do do I have to go? Do 783 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,959 Speaker 1: I have to stay with football? No? You do whatever 784 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: you want whatever? All right? So he is, um, he's 785 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: I give you took Russell Westbrook and Muggsy Bogs and 786 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: made a quarterback. Okay. I thought you're gonna go Webster. 787 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna go Webster. That's all good. Do 788 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: you ever watch Webster? Are you old enough to have 789 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: seen Webster? Yea, he should be. No, man, you don't 790 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: know Webster. I think I've seen Webster. No, I think 791 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: I've seen Webster, like you know one off here and there, guys. 792 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: I've also never seen Seinfeld. I've never seen my friends. 793 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: I was that. I was that kid where if I 794 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: wasn't playing sports, I was watching sports. I was I 795 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: was a meathead looking up. Emmanuel Lewis did some fine 796 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: working Webster. I just thought you got to. I think 797 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: Alex Carrats is in it as well. Former football player 798 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: there's your time. Bucky knows that I'm not gonna lie 799 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: to you. I'm probably not, but yeah, right, you know, 800 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,919 Speaker 1: you can't lie when you're an angel. An angel can't lie. Yeah. 801 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: Between being an angel and really reading my lines for 802 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: the Lincoln commercials, I don't have a ton of time. 803 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: So good, Hey, Dan, I appreciate you, man, uh nice 804 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: enough to do this for us on the drive in 805 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: enjoy enjoy the game, that I keep up the great work. Again. 806 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: Everybody knows it listens to this how much we respect 807 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: you and uh, I appreciate your friendship as well, but 808 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: you got the best. Thanks all right, Buck. I always 809 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: enjoy visiting with Dan, you know, just even uh talking 810 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: to him when we're driving around, and I always feel like, Man, 811 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: I take something from the conversation. I learned a little 812 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: something there. Yeah, Like he's what you called like a 813 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: guy who does what a smart smart football like make 814 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: me smarter. And so a lot of times when I 815 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: see his MSS or I read what he's tweeted, Um, 816 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: it's all about elevating the knowledge. And so it's funny 817 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: because not only does he see the game through the 818 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: lens of the quarterback, but I think He does a 819 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: really good job of stepping outside of himself and trying 820 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: to look at it in other areas, and so very educational, 821 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: very informost. I always love having an opportunity to chat 822 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: with Yeah, it was great to visit with him. A 823 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,720 Speaker 1: fun episode today, I mean, we covered a lot of basis, 824 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: talked about changes in the scouting as we go through 825 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: the pandemic. We talked about which cake is appropriated and 826 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: preferred or live scane. Mean, we covered a lot of 827 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: ground here. Anything else you wanna have before we get 828 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: out of here, No man, fun football weekend, looking forward 829 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: to seeing all the action take place, no doubt. All right, 830 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. Thank you guys 831 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: so much for listening. Be sure it's sending to be 832 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: a birthday shout out by the way as it comes 833 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: up here in a few weeks. Uh, that's gonna do 834 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: it for us. We'll catch you next time. Right here. 835 00:39:46,320 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: I moved to six presented by Zaxby's. But the people 836 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: work to a love ut