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Speaker 2: Is it? It's that I can.

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Speaker 1: Never get the wait? This is actually the worst way

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Speaker 2: Love it? Keep going, Okay, this.

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Speaker 1: Could be groundbreaking. It's so bad we're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for building it up.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be huge.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're like, I'm hungry. No, it's even worse. I

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Speaker 1: can't get that. I can't get the Taylor Swifts song

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Speaker 1: anti Hero? How boring is that? Can you believe? That's

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Speaker 2: It's not even current, like, it's not even like an

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Speaker 2: This is harkening back to what we were just talking

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Speaker 2: well it has to be addressed.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought it could be an interesting jumping off point.

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Speaker 2: You're crying, first of all, Well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because I don't no disrespect to any swifties out there,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I wish I did. She seems

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Speaker 2: unlike anything, Unlike anything certainly Taylor Swift has ever done

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Speaker 1: Is it time?

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Speaker 3: Upart it on, Charla, Oh my goodness, thank you. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she has to do like that.

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Speaker 3: Wire during the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well you also get there's a way it's

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Speaker 3: From and then you try to track them all day,

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Speaker 3: you try to track them all down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like should we get coffee?

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Speaker 2: Like I'm a Trump supporter.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's so many people's timelines. I hate to say,

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Speaker 1: you consume something, I feel the need to like discuss it,

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Speaker 3: I'm sort of I'm the person who sends too many

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Speaker 3: thank you. They just do the little you know, check

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Speaker 1: A recommendation is so tough. I actually think unless you

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Speaker 3: Right. Was that the Secret History? No?

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Speaker 2: That was the Patricia Lockwood book. What is it is

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, she's a genius.

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Speaker 1: You know what the book conversation, I'm realizing. Yeah, mirrors

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Speaker 1: how I felt about indie music in college totally, where

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? I felt that way about disclosure?

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Speaker 2: Really when Disclosure came out and people were like raving

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Speaker 2: out because they're men? I mean kind of literally, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's pop music, but the twist is their men.

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, but also call me when you've heard of

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Speaker 1: Well I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well anyway, so wait, I was gonna say I

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Speaker 2: And do you know what else, Na, not only is

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Speaker 1: Which is one of the saddest things to realize, Like,

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Speaker 3: I just read this article and I won't send you

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Speaker 3: as the link. Don't worry. But I it was about

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Speaker 3: That was the headline, and I was like, well, this

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Speaker 2: Do they mean popular kids in general throughout history or

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Speaker 3: Are they in general? Like? They don't. They're not as

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Speaker 3: But parents as in like counterculture where it's like, what

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: I was a nice popular kid, Okay, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of shocked by this revision's history. There has

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Speaker 2: There has been talk of being an outsider. To learn

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Speaker 2: now that this entire time you were sort of being

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it was it well one, it was

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Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because she's all that sort of.

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Speaker 2: She's all that.

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Speaker 1: Wait? I'm actually you know kind.

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Speaker 2: Of what was the change?

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Speaker 1: Well, the big change I think because I was going

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Speaker 2: Wait, so you felt like Hollister was not preppy, No,

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Speaker 1: It was deemed gay because it was California. Oh interesting, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I might be slightly I think I am slightly older

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're twenty seven, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pree seven tomorrow actually, but thank you. I

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Speaker 3: think when I was a teenager, California culture was like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like people love the OC when I

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Speaker 2: The total that's I was just gonna I was just

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Speaker 3: About so it's like east coast, West coast.

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Speaker 1: Well, not to be a sweeping generalization, but like I

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Speaker 2: Oh, I say, see, okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I had this sort of like very

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Speaker 3: Wow. If there was a better illustration of culture as

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Speaker 1: Truly, yeah, truly.

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Speaker 2: And then of course the unthinkable happened. All the American

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Speaker 2: Now anyone can buy they aren't like five times at

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Speaker 4: Right right, wow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, damn Europeans seem dumb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and guess what they are.

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Speaker 2: Well, there is a sense with Europe where it's like,

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Speaker 2: someone is born, they're like, well I have to create

441
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Speaker 2: a new kind of shirt.

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

443
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true. And that feels like why there's

444
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Speaker 3: trends on TikTok that are like I hate onions and

445
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 3: that's who.

446
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 2: I am exactly, because that's all they have. They weren't

447
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,719
Speaker 2: raised in any kind of heritage or tradition.

448
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: Talk about you're defined by what you consume.

449
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Speaker 2: I mean, well that's why. I mean, it's but it's

450
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 2: like that's why Americans are so consumerist. That's all they have.

451
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Speaker 1: Damn, I'm actually learning a lot.

452
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's also like this is why we

453
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Speaker 2: need religion, you know, but oh god, no, no pivot.

454
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm obviously joking, but you know, we do need community spaces,

455
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Speaker 2: public library, public libraries, yeah, gathering nuts, hiking groups, I

456
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, book clubs, coffee shops, coffee shops.

457
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Speaker 3: Are you guys in a book club?

458
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Speaker 2: I wish no.

459
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Speaker 1: It seems hard to keep up with some of the schedule.

460
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Speaker 1: Are you cool?

461
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Speaker 3: I mean one. But the reason it works is because

462
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: it's so loose and like the book club is mostly theoretical.

463
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Speaker 3: It seems more like just a social group.

464
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Speaker 1: Right.

465
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

466
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Speaker 2: Do you guys read books?

467
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Speaker 3: Yes? There is an assigned book every month, and there

468
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Speaker 3: are people aligned like sort of counterculturally where you know

469
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Speaker 3: they're never going to read it, right, but they come

470
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Speaker 3: to the meeting sometimes and they want to talk about

471
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Speaker 3: something very specific that's not Is it.

472
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Speaker 1: A group of friends or did you find a designated

473
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Speaker 1: book club?

474
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Speaker 3: It was started by like a comedy person, but then

475
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Speaker 3: it feels like it's sort of threw amorphously into like

476
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Speaker 3: comedy adjacent people significant others, and then arbitrarily some people

477
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Speaker 3: were not allowed to be in it. Oh well, like

478
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Speaker 3: my significant other is not in it, but then someone

479
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Speaker 3: else's is. So it's kind of like, what's that about?

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Speaker 2: Did you ask if your significant other can join and

481
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Speaker 2: they said no?

482
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Speaker 3: I guess I didn't ask, Well.

483
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Speaker 2: I mean a partner. It's this kind of victim mentality

484
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Speaker 2: that like is really not going to get you ready,

485
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Speaker 2: keeps you off the whole. You gotta step up and ask.

486
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Speaker 3: But everyone else was invited in. You're seeing like no

487
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Speaker 3: one else asked people in. And then I was like

488
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Speaker 3: waiting for his ask to come roll in and still waiting.

489
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Speaker 1: Okay, do you think they think it's your job to

490
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Speaker 1: ask him?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Should I put it to the group?

492
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Speaker 2: I mean even honestly, I mean, the worst, the worst

493
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Speaker 2: possibility is I hate to even utter this. Do you

494
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Speaker 2: think no, you think he's not a reader?

495
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Speaker 3: He works in publishing a.

496
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Speaker 1: Bar Maybe they're intimidated.

497
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Speaker 2: They're intimidated.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say, do you think

499
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Speaker 3: he's like nobody really likes him?

500
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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: No, of course no, I mean, of course that is

502
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Speaker 2: the I wouldn't even utter. That's like too scary to

503
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Speaker 2: even conde. Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure I'm sure that's

504
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Speaker 2: not the case. But I but but okay, if he

505
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Speaker 2: works in publishing, then that can be because that, to me,

506
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Speaker 2: I was like, that's insulting. If they're like, well, he

507
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to do something like that, right, he's more

508
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Speaker 2: of a video.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would hurt. I think what's going on is

510
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Speaker 1: that they are just worried. He'll walk around like he

511
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Speaker 1: owns the place.

512
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, where like he's too close to the industry,

513
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Speaker 3: Like if there was an agent in your movie club.

514
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Speaker 1: It's like totally, oh, totally, like oh, I got lunch

515
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: with this author last week.

516
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Speaker 2: Their you know what I actually I mean, I hate

517
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Speaker 2: to take their side, but I try to get it,

518
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: Like I really, I'm like, it really is different to

519
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Speaker 2: have a book club and have someone from publishing.

520
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Speaker 1: Do you think people in publishing like feel Hollywood about

521
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Speaker 1: it ever?

522
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Speaker 3: Do they get I just feel jaded about it. They're

523
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 3: like I went into this industry because I love books

524
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Speaker 3: and reading, and now I never want to look at it.

525
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now everyone I know that works in publishing, it's like,

526
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably the same way like Hollywood execs feel.

527
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Speaker 2: It's just like it takes the demystifies this thing that

528
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Speaker 2: really brought you like joy as a as a kid.

529
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: You're reading so many also, like you see what sells,

530
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: and in some ways it's even worse in publishing than

531
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Speaker 2: in movies, Like people want to read like celebrity memoirs.

532
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like sometimes all periodically just to be

533
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Speaker 3: self destructive, look at like top ten book lists, and

534
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: it's always like, I mean, I think we're bombarded, are

535
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Speaker 3: like people are bombarded with the New York Times bestseller,

536
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Speaker 3: But I think actually the best selling book is like

537
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Speaker 3: Chicken Soup for the Young Soul.

538
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it's that, and it's Colleen Hoover.

539
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, oh my god, pumping them out.

540
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: She is.

541
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Speaker 2: She is legitimately and I'm not like making some joke,

542
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: the single most successful author in America currently. The best

543
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: seller list is like five of her books. Who she

544
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: writes These novels, they always have like a female protagonist,

545
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Speaker 2: and you know it's like about a relationship, like the

546
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Speaker 2: husband cheats or like there's some sort of I can't

547
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Speaker 2: remember if they have a mystery element or there's maybe

548
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Speaker 2: some violent element.

549
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Speaker 3: I think of thriller element.

550
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Speaker 1: There's a thriller element. It's sort of like water Down,

551
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Speaker 1: Gone Girl. Okay. Intro, Yes, sort of like our intro.

552
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: And they're all called like they sort of have a

553
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: sort of like algorithmic feel where it's like he came

554
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Speaker 2: to me, and then the sequel is he left me.

555
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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's really like.

556
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Speaker 1: And then the third one is he returned, He returned

557
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Speaker 1: to me, the return of the heat.

558
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Speaker 2: It's like a lord and she's making She's like this,

559
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Speaker 2: she like is dominating book talk.

560
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's how she got big. What. Wow, she's a

561
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Speaker 1: relatable Southern gal.

562
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Speaker 2: She's actually very charming because I like looked into it

563
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: because I was like shocked when I found out about

564
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: her very relatable Southern I think maybe Texan gal just

565
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: sort of like could be your fun cousin. She makes

566
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Speaker 2: fun of herself to a sense of humor. Oh and

567
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: she just like pumps them out.

568
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Speaker 3: Wow. I do wonder when someone is that prolific. I'm like,

569
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Speaker 3: what is your schedule? Yeah?

570
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Speaker 1: Way, yeah, yeah. I mean I haven't written a word

571
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Speaker 1: in nine months, so I can't imagine how she does it.

572
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

573
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

574
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Speaker 3: Someone told me they once listened to Dan Brown's masterclass

575
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Speaker 3: and it literally was like I wake up at four am,

576
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Speaker 3: I write three chapters, I do twenty five push ups,

577
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Speaker 3: and then I write three more chapters. I was like,

578
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Speaker 3: I know, are we both in the same field of creativity? No,

579
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Speaker 3: you're doing something different and sinister.

580
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Speaker 1: Sinister.

581
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so what drugs are you on? That's the

582
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: open secret I think with all these people.

583
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's what it is riddle in or whatever.

584
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: I always assume. And I'm honestly not even joking that

585
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Speaker 2: people that are more productive than I are on drugs.

586
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, or I think it's like out

587
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: of your hand. It's like your genetic makeup is like

588
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: I'm not genetically inclined to be productive, totally.

589
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 2: I got it at I feel that way. So it

590
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: was like really drilled into me as a kid, like

591
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 2: George is lazy because my parents were like so high achieving,

592
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: so academically oriented. It's like a shame that I have

593
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: as I was born with like an extra ear. Yeah,

594
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Speaker 2: no offense to anyone who has a disability. Should we

595
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Speaker 2: do our first?

596
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Speaker 1: I think we should do our first.

597
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Speaker 2: A partner. Our first segment is called Strade Shooters, and

598
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Speaker 2: in this segment, we test your familiarity with in complicity

599
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Speaker 2: in strac culture by asking you a series of rapid

600
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Speaker 2: fire questions where you have to pick this thing or

601
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Speaker 2: that thing. And the one rule is you can't ask

602
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: any follow up questions about how the game works, otherwise

603
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Speaker 2: we will raise our voices to an alarming degree.

604
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, a parna the light of the Lord

605
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Speaker 1: or the flight of the Concords, Flight of the Concords.

606
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: Suparna, I'm Terry Gross and this is fresh air. Or

607
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: I'm Colin Jost and this is my hair.

608
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: I'll go with Terry Gross here.

609
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, the teenage Mutant, Ninja Turtles or the Lovely

610
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Speaker 1: Ladies of eighty for Brady please, okay, Parna, the L

611
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Speaker 1: word or the Bell Curve.

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Speaker 3: Oh Gang, I'm gonna go Lward.

613
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, okay, a Parna hand sanitizer or foot fetishizer.

614
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'll go hand sanitizer.

615
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: Okay. Getting soul custody of the kids are getting Swoll

616
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Speaker 2: courtesy of Crunch Fitness.

617
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Speaker 1: Wow, that was a good one.

618
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Speaker 3: I'm going to say getting Swoll, getting swool?

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, love it?

620
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: Okay. The Little Mermaid or Big Fish.

621
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Speaker 2: Oo, oh my god, that's good.

622
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: Little Mermy, Little Murmy.

623
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Speaker 2: Okay. Getting a taste of your own medicine or having

624
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: a taste of the salted caramel before ordering because you

625
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: don't have the backbone to take a single risk.

626
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: Getting a taste of your own damn medicine.

627
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Speaker 1: So true.

628
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Speaker 2: I think that was a smash.

629
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Speaker 1: I think that was nine ninety eight doves.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we rank everyone on a scale of zero to

631
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: one thousand doves and that was nine ninety eight.

632
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is an A plus.

633
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: WHOA, that's the most doves I've ever thought of at

634
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Speaker 3: one time.

635
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well those final two are really you don't

636
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Speaker 2: even want to know how those get there?

637
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: Have you ever? Have you, guys, ever gotten an A plus.

638
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: In my life? I mean not to, but yeah, wow.

639
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: I think I can remember maybe, like on one hand,

640
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: when I've gotten in just like the amount that plus

641
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: does for your whole psyche is I don't know if

642
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: it's a bad or a good thing.

643
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Speaker 2: That is so funny, because again I don't I really

644
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Speaker 2: don't want to overstress my childhood try because I love

645
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: my parents so much. It's not about that drag. But

646
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Speaker 2: it's like I have such a distinct memory of getting

647
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Speaker 2: my first B plus and being like, well, I'm going

648
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Speaker 2: to be kicked out of school, Like this is not

649
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Speaker 2: like this is like the idea of getting a B

650
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Speaker 2: plus was so outside the realm of what was acceptable.

651
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: Yes, not to be so about high school. We were

652
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Speaker 1: literally talking exclusive about high school. What was your academic

653
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: rigor what was your GPA? Let's go to the chase, Mama,

654
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: what was your GPA. I don't sugarcoat it.

655
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Speaker 3: It was. It was high, but it wasn't like freakish.

656
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: I think it was three point eight seven.

657
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Speaker 2: Oh, very very good.

658
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Speaker 1: It's very tasteful. That's a nine.

659
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Speaker 2: Yeah totally.

660
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Speaker 3: But it was like, what, George, what you're saying really

661
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: hits with me because I went to a very competitive

662
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: high school and it felt like three point eighty seven

663
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: was barely passing.

664
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: Muster totally.

665
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: Oh you woke up today, congraens.

666
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: Well, my curse was always like I was always a

667
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: good student, but I was always like number three, like

668
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: I was, you know what I mean? And there is

669
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: a way in which that is more traumatizing than just

670
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: being like a bad student, because it was always like

671
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: there was my mom, God, my poor mother. My mom

672
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: one time and she truly said this in passing. It

673
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: was not meant to be like a big insult, but

674
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: at some point she goes, I just want one of

675
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: my kids to be valedictorian. Oh I remember that so well,

676
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: and being like, well, it's not me because because they've

677
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: already chosen them. Did she ever get her with Yes,

678
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: she did. My young sister Thered Times a charm.

679
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: Wow, I had the pleasure of going from a good

680
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: school to a really, really bad school. So when I

681
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: was the bad school, everyone thought I was a genius.

682
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: Like at the good school, I was like middle of

683
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: the road completely didn't consider myself like that smart. And

684
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: then at the bad school, I was you could not

685
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: find a smarter person, And I was like, look at me.

686
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just got to change your location.

687
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, should we get.

688
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: Into our topic? Yeah a partner, tell us what topic

689
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: you brought today and sort of guide us through what

690
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: led you to it.

691
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I was going to say, fittingly, we've been

692
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: talking about the past, because my topic is sort of

693
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: a blast from the past, which is sleepovers from specifically

694
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: from your use. Yeah, sleepovers and just I felt like

695
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: they brought out a lot of just normativities of straight culture,

696
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: particularly in that either you'd be like, let's call someone's

697
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: crush who's always opposite sex, or let me out someone

698
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: in our group for being slightly out of sync with

699
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: the rest of us.

700
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: You are that is actually I didn't think about it

701
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: like that, where that was like the training grounds for

702
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: like be normal, Like that was like if you are

703
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: weird even slightly, we will destroy your life.

704
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Can I tell you I've never told anyone this before.

705
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: Can I tell you the most humiliating thing maybe that's

706
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: ever happened to me?

707
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: Please?

708
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: Okay?

709
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

710
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: So this was I don't even know what, very very

711
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: early elementary school. I went to one of my first sleepovers.

712
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: This is when we were living in New Jersey, and

713
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: the following thing happened. So whenever I would pee as

714
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: a kid, I would pull my pants down completely and

715
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: then pee.

716
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: That is how I was caught.

717
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: Like, that's just like what I did when I went

718
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: into that room.

719
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: What do Yeah?

720
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: And I knew that I knew that adult men somehow

721
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: peed with their pants on, Like I had seen scenes

722
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: when they go to like a urinal in a movie

723
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: or something, so I knew that was like a possibilit

724
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: but I literally had never made the connection that the

725
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: way they do that is by taking their penis out

726
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: of this fly. So I was at a sleepover. Okay,

727
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: we were outside because either we were like in nature somehow,

728
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: or we were in the person's backyard or whatever, and

729
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: all the boys were like, we're gonna pee, We're gonna

730
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: pay in the bush, and so they all like peede

731
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: in the bush with their pants on, and I was like, Okay,

732
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: this is my time to be on the bush. So

733
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: I just thought if I just peed with my pants on,

734
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: it will go through the material, and so I legitimately

735
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: just stood there and peed my pants and then and

736
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: then people saw that it was happening. Of course, I

737
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: like stopped myself when I realized what was happening. So

738
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: I just had like not a.

739
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: Full peas worth, right, but like quite a bit.

740
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: And then I just had to be like, oh, it's fine,

741
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: and I just then literally just had soiled pants for

742
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: the rest of the day.

743
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: But did they not?

744
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Like people noted, But like my memory of it is

745
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: not of being made fun of. It's just of being

746
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: uncomfortable because I peed myself, Like.

747
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: It's not like no.

748
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean they certainly at first they were like that's weird,

749
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: what did you do? But then they were like, well, okay,

750
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna go play.

751
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: Tag wow wow really accepting people.

752
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

753
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: But I was literally like then like sleeping, Like it

754
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: was just I didn't know what to say, Like I

755
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: didn't know to ask like can I like take a

756
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: shower or can I chain? I didn't have I think

757
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: I didn't have like a change of Maybe it was

758
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 2: like the second day of the sleeper, like I didn't

759
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: have a change of clothes.

760
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, isn't that crazy? That is crazy?

761
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also remember distinctly when you were at someone

762
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: else's house, I felt like I had no guide map

763
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: of how to behave, and like even if I wanted

764
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: a glass of water, I was like, I guess I'll

765
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 3: have to wait until tomorrow when I'm at my house.

766
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there was a sense of like you could

767
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: die at any time because I didn't know the traditions

768
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: and the customs of this new home.

769
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: Oh, it was so intimate. I remember feeling so let

770
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: in and also like talk about feeling like, oh, people

771
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: do things differently. Yeah, being in a house where people

772
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: would like pray before eating, I was like, whata. Yes,

773
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: that was crazy.

774
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: To see a mother in like a nightgown.

775
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean not to be horny already, but

776
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: like to see a dad like walking around in his underwear.

777
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, come on, the horny teens were eaten.

778
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: Actually, I had immigrant parents, so I wasn't allowed to

779
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: go on them for a long time because of I

780
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: think these very things where it's like we don't know

781
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: what those people are like or what they do behind

782
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 3: closed doors. But then when we were finally like I

783
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: had an older sibling and once they were allowed to go,

784
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: that kind of broke down the door for me. But

785
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: then I remember I would go and then my mom

786
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: would be like, you're always so mean when you come back.

787
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: I remember saying that so many times, and I was like,

788
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 3: did I turn into a nasty person?

789
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you think was it? Were you like feeling

790
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: more empowered and you were like or did like the

791
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: spirit of the competition of a sleepover like inhabit you.

792
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: I think it was literally that I didn't get enough

793
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: sleep and I was cranky because I was always afraid

794
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: to go to sleep for the reason you're saying, George,

795
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: where it's like you don't know if something's going you

796
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: know you're going to be victimized.

797
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean there it was like being

798
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: thrown to the wolves. I loved all my sleepovers, but

799
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: the going to sleep part was genuinely, so so scary

800
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: because you don't know what they're going to do to

801
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: the first person that falls asleep.

802
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's true.

803
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: It was always like whoever has the sleep first, We're

804
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: gonna fuck with well.

805
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: It's also like just that the nature of being a

806
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: kid is like at any point you could turn the

807
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: cruelty on, Like, at any point you can become a

808
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: full on you know, Marvel villain, like you're like out

809
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: for blood.

810
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: It was also but it's yeah, I mean truly, I

811
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: feel like it's in the same way that I was

812
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: like popular for being so nice, uh huh, Like in

813
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: the same way that I was like the Princess Diana

814
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: of my high school. I felt like like at sleepovers,

815
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: they knew they could feel that I was a sensitive one,

816
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: and they out actually kind of respected it. Like I

817
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: feel like they would like wrestle each other and it

818
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: would always be like, well, Sam's gonna sit over there

819
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: while we wrestle, right, And then quite frankly, they were like,

820
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: don't don't bother him.

821
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: He's he's turned on.

822
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's they were just not wrestling me because I

823
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: had a full direction.

824
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were like, oh, it's cute, we need

825
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: to do this for Sam.

826
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: Keep keep wrestling.

827
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: No.

828
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, the gayest part of Sleepoverers,

829
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: of course, is that every single one felt like call

830
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: me by your name. It felt like it was like

831
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: so deeply intimate. It was even just as a friend.

832
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: It was like, wow, we are so close now that

833
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: like this is an unbreakable bond. We have had breakfast together,

834
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: we brushed our teeth together.

835
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: But then of course the shock of seeing that same

836
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: person in school and going back to your normal relationship,

837
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: especially when sometimes it would be like, oh yeah, you know,

838
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: you'd find yourself in a sleepover with a more sleepover

839
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: with a more popular kid. So for that, for that night,

840
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: you were equals. For that night, you had your little

841
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: inside jokes, and then you would go to school the

842
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: next day and be like remember, like you know, cereal

843
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: and milk, and then they'd be like, I don't know

844
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: what you're talking about.

845
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that sounds like a very specific experience.

846
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 3: I always remember in a group of girls, there would

847
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: be like a hierarchy and one of them would be

848
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: like allowed to tell the rest of us what to do,

849
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't be clear why they got that, you know, benefit,

850
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: and the rest of us didn't. No, never, I was

851
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: just there to like fill out the group, Like I

852
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: would be the person in a movie where I didn't

853
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: have my character doesn't get a name, there's just like

854
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: other sleepover girls. Wow.

855
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: That is so that's that's super Girl too, that's so sad.

856
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 2: I was also like, yeah, I think Sam and I

857
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: maybe have this in common, although now that I'm learning

858
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: about his popular past, I'm questioning it. But what I

859
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: was going to say is like I sort of during

860
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: high school had like the opposite of the main character

861
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: syndrome where I was like, do not point the camera

862
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: at me. I am a supporting character.

863
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I was like, but I was like,

864
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be well, you get the spinoff.

865
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm getting the spinoff. I might not be supporting.

866
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: I might be supporting now, but I'm getting the spin

867
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: off when this season. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.

868
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: That's fair.

869
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: But I do remember the bossy girl just always being

870
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: like and now we're gonna suck each other's fingers and

871
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: it's going to be totally not weird. And then and

872
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: then and then you're like, how can when you say

873
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 3: to do something weird it's not weird? But then if

874
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: like one of us has like green socks, were like

875
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: so stazzy or something.

876
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean upon I have to ask, I don't

877
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: so obviously sleepovers were extremely gendered. That's like almost the

878
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: whole play is to solidify your gender. So like for

879
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: the girls, like the guys always were, there was a

880
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: horny element. Yeah, there was a truth or dare that

881
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: was like horny. There was a there was a even

882
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: the talking like watching like seeing you get HBO late

883
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: at night, there was like something about like we're all

884
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: going to make each other horny?

885
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, were the girls horny?

886
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. I feel like there girls are already

887
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: so touchy, so it's just like listpraid each other's hair

888
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: and now we'll do gentle gropes.

889
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the gentle groping section, well, of course.

890
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean that's the big secret of being a girl

891
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 2: is that it's actually more horny than being a boy.

892
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: That's the big secret.

893
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: We're breaking the story here, breaking the story here.

894
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: Because I feel like it's not even as explicit, you know,

895
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: it's just like yeah.

896
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: We're well, it's completely allowed.

897
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like just at a at a base level,

898
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: everyone is caressing each other and sort of like kissing

899
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: each other on the cheeks. Then sure, if you want

900
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: to take it a little further, like why not just

901
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: friends who carere just.

902
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 3: Friends, like a big old acting class, get really comfortable.

903
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: Really comfortable.

904
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: Did you crave like you were saying your parents at

905
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: first didn't let you go. Were you like, did you

906
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: romanticize the concept of a sleepover because it's very emeric.

907
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought of it as like where you get

908
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: like important information that you don't get at school, you know,

909
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: totally and like just people being more confessional. It feels

910
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: like you're let in in a way that you're definitely

911
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: not like in your day to day life.

912
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: Back to the point about how if you were weird

913
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: at all, you would get fully tamed quickly. I feel

914
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: there was one sleepover this combines horniness and this fact.

915
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: There's one sleepover where we were like sort of truth

916
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: or daring and it was like we were like in

917
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: sixth grade and one of the boys was like, do

918
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: you guys ever play with yourself? And I was like,

919
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I was like, do you Like? It was like how

920
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: do I I was like, what is the right answer here?

921
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: I honestly have no idea.

922
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: It seems like either one could result in that's gay.

923
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

924
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: It was quite literally a trap and it was it

925
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: was impossible, And at first I was like no, and

926
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: then everyone else was like, well we do, and I

927
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh, then yes, I don't know.

928
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: There's no right answer.

929
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: It was cool. It was just cool a partner where

930
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: you like boy crazy.

931
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: I think I was boy crazy in a very like

932
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: internal way of like I would never actually broadcast this

933
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: in any way, but obviously we're gonna end up married. Yeah,

934
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: Like I don't even think I would, like you know, right,

935
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: you know, the right the like a partner loves bread

936
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: in my binder, Like I was like, nope, I don't

937
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: want a paper trail.

938
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, did you ever host the sleepover?

939
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: No? No, no, I think I always felt like an interloper,

940
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: a little like like I got away with something by

941
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: being there, Like years later, history will see that a

942
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: partner was also there then now.

943
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean in the back of historical photos. Yeah. And actually,

944
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: if you pay close attention, you'll see she was always there.

945
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

946
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: Well it goes back to the supporting character that's getting

947
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: the spin off, like you really are counting on the future. Well,

948
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: this is actually like, this is I think the diff

949
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm starting this as though it's such an important point.

950
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: It's really not this whole episode.

951
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is like the difference between popular and

952
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: unpopular is like. Popular kids are present oriented, They're like

953
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: this is the main part of the movie, ye, whereas

954
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: unpopular kids, in order to be able to go on,

955
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: are future oriented. They're like, well, I'm gonna like what

956
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: you're going through now, I'm gonna go through when I'm

957
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: twenty five.

958
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: Right right right, And then that might have hurt my

959
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: friendships just constantly just being like, well, this is act

960
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: one exactly exactly.

961
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: I yes, that's so real. Yeah, I remember. I remember

962
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: legitimately in high school having the self awareness to be

963
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 2: like I am uninteresting currently, like I will be interesting later,

964
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: but like I distinctly remember, like I would hear other

965
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: people talking and be like, well they're not interesting either,

966
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 2: But then I'd be like, well, I also have nothing

967
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: to add like if I did, I would, and I don't.

968
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: Like I'm not I'm not well informed enough. I'm not

969
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: I don't have the references. I don't necessarily have ideas

970
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: that I believe so strongly. And I just genuinely remember

971
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: being like, well, good, that's not what this that's not

972
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: what high schools for. That's what college is.

973
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: For, right right? Right? Do you feel at all like

974
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 3: because of social media, Like people I get this sometimes

975
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: where people like I went to high school with or

976
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 3: something will be like Upana, it's so cool what you're

977
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: up to these days, and I'm like, you did not

978
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: even acknowledge I assisted, Yeah, have you even know who

979
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: I am?

980
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: I to this day have never not taken a comment

981
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: like that as an insult. There's something like there is

982
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: just something sort of like, oh that's cute. I'm the

983
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: CEO of a bank. But I've definitely seen your stuff

984
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: on Instagram.

985
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah you've maybe heard of my bank Goldman Sack, Yeah.

986
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm Sack Goldman.

987
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: But isn't it like that is literally like the fantasy,

988
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: like you're living like the fantasy where it's like the

989
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: people that didn't pay attention to you now are like

990
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: seeing your face on the TV screen lighting it up

991
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: commenting style.

992
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I know. It reminds me of it went on

993
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: talk shows where that it was like the theme is

994
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: like I want to confront my high school bully and

995
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: then they like bring them out and then they like

996
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: don't even remember who they are. It's so sick.

997
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: That's that's what it comes down to. Oh that's a bummer.

998
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: Are you in touch with anyone that you grew up with.

999
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: I would say at this point, just like a handful

1000
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: of people. But there are so many people who are

1001
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: like still live in the same area I grew up, like,

1002
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: never left, still friends with high school friends. I just

1003
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 3: can't imagine what I would be like if I had stayed.

1004
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: Where did you grow up outside DC?

1005
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: Like, oh wow, I don't know why my mind went

1006
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: to Texas?

1007
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: You know what? I was thinking? Texas too? Why there's

1008
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: nothing that screams Texas.

1009
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: Because you thought it was Colleen Hoover.

1010
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: But I'm truly like, what was it?

1011
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. There was just something. There was something

1012
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: about the way you were describing people.

1013
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, this is this is Texas.

1014
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 3: I just kept making the hair look bigger.

1015
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you look Texan.

1016
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: I know.

1017
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: That's so funny.

1018
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I love that you were thinking. I was like, yeah,

1019
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: I was sure.

1020
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: Well, you never know when people grew up in d C.

1021
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: I feel similarly with Greta Titlement. It's like you never

1022
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: expected you know what. Meta titlement also could be Texas.

1023
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: No one talks about DC is Texans. Yes, it's Texan

1024
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: because it's so American it's so American and there's like

1025
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: a big there's a.

1026
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: Wealthy, a suburban to it that is, uh yeah, and

1027
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: an emphasis on tradition. Yeah. And also I don't know,

1028
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: it's sort of like defining itself by not being one

1029
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: of the coasts. I mean, I understand DC is one

1030
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: of the coasts, but defining itself like one of the

1031
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: main cities. It's not like New York or LA or Chicago,

1032
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: like it's different.

1033
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I totally. I have trouble, like when people

1034
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: are like, what's DC, Like, I'm like, I do know

1035
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: the White House is there, but I can't really like

1036
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: personality wise, I have a hard time classifying it. I'm

1037
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 3: just gonna say Texas from now on.

1038
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: No one will bat They'll be like that makes complete

1039
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: sense to me.

1040
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sort of like taking stock of the straightness

1041
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: of it all, you know what I mean.

1042
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, right now, it's still honestly sounding kind of gay. Yeah.

1043
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, as we talk about many times, like

1044
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: things that are like we've obviously done an episode on

1045
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: home eroticism, like something being horotic is a straight thing,

1046
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: otherwise it would just be homosexual.

1047
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: Well, and we've talked about this before too, where the

1048
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: sleepovers they were homoerotic, but only real straight guys were

1049
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: like jerking off with their.

1050
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: Friends exactly right, Only real straight guys had the courage

1051
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: to be homo erotic because to them there was no

1052
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 2: risk involved.

1053
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't revealing.

1054
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Whereas to me, I was like, we'll fall in love.

1055
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: Right yeah, Like it felt like a place for straighter

1056
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 3: people to be like, well here I can be different exactly.

1057
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: I'll go back to and I can do a dry

1058
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: run of intimacy, like I'll practice intimacy with friends first

1059
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: and then with a lover junior year.

1060
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: Wait, this is literally what George is saying, Like, this

1061
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: is what you Your thing was with your friend is

1062
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: like you were falling in love, but you were falling

1063
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: in love with your friend, and then at school you

1064
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: were just friends and you were like, but we love

1065
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: each other.

1066
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: Right right right?

1067
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: Right right?

1068
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1069
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: That sounds steamy, That sounds like CW materials.

1070
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: Well we are married.

1071
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: I did. I would have my parents would let me

1072
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: have mixed gender sleepovers. Okay, what are they hippies?

1073
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: That's how you know was popular?

1074
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm also like they must have known I

1075
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: was gay.

1076
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 2: Like, I am so confused. Your family life is still

1077
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 2: sort of a mystery to me after all these years.

1078
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: Like there is something about It's like, Okay, you grew

1079
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: up in the Mindwest in the South, feels very traditional,

1080
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: but then you're not religious, like you weren't raised with religion.

1081
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: That adds sort of like a complication to it. I feel.

1082
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: Then it's like I feel like you guys are very

1083
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: like picture perfect, like white family with nice hair.

1084
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: But your mom owns a gym. Yeah, is a feminist?

1085
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: I think she is? Now?

1086
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah was it a curves?

1087
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: It's called mad dog.

1088
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 2: Okay, that's madass.

1089
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's her whole thing, is it? Yeah?

1090
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have like never been more confused.

1091
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: We'll go when we go to Chicago's at some point

1092
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: this summer, and we'll go to my parents and you

1093
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: can we can take my mom one of my own.

1094
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't wait. Okay.

1095
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: The other thing that's straight about it is, you know,

1096
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: obvious point, but like you're in a you are sort

1097
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: of being taken into a family unit. Like it is

1098
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: very based around like you are the guest star. You

1099
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: are the guest star of a nuclear biological family.

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00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I never felt like. I went to a

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00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: sleepover and I was just like this has real like

1102
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: revolutioniz how I think about what family can be, to

1103
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: what true intimacy is.

1104
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: I tried to queer it once. I think the first

1105
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: sleepover I went to, I tried to I packed my

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00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: suitcase when I got home and tried to move into

1107
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: his house. What yeah, wow, because his life was just better.

1108
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: He had like video games, he had like sugar cereals,

1109
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: And I was like sorry, Mom and dad, like I'm moving.

1110
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean yeah. I feel like for me, so much

1111
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: of it was going to another house and then it

1112
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: being like drilled into my head how foreign my parents were.

1113
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: It's like I used to think things that are so

1114
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: deeply uncool, like literally having a minivan. I was like,

1115
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: why can't we have one? Like that's what a real

1116
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: family has, Like we're a family of five, Like why

1117
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 2: do we have to squeeze into a normal sized car?

1118
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: Or like the idea of having a basement sort of

1119
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: wreck room, like yes, the basement is where it's like

1120
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: it's sort of a mess and there are pillows everywhere

1121
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: and you play video games. I just it was so

1122
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: out of reach.

1123
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel that as an immigrant kid, because I

1124
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: was like, we didn't have video games, we didn't have cable,

1125
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 3: we had like very limited TV time. Yeah, it was

1126
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: just like everyone else is living a life and I

1127
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: don't know what I'm in some sort of hostage situation.

1128
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: I know, no, And you start and you do start,

1129
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 2: and then you start being like resentful or like making

1130
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: fun of your own parents in front of other people,

1131
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: being like, oh, she's foreign.

1132
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1133
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Another thing is like American kids being able to like

1134
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: not being scolded if, like, for instance, they stepped on

1135
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: the car seat with their shoes or something like. I

1136
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: remember being in a minivan characteristically and all the kids

1137
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: literally stepping on the middle seat to get to the

1138
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: back seat and that being completely okay.

1139
00:53:53,520 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, wow, Okay.

1140
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: One more thing. Yes, this is I'm being bad at

1141
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: connecting anything and I'm literally just throwing random thoughts at

1142
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: the wall. And for that I apologize both no no

1143
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: too and to the listener, George, did you ever like

1144
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: have a sleepover with someone where you were like, oh,

1145
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: you're gay too. I remember like having like specific sleepovers

1146
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: with like a friend who like I didn't have the

1147
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: words for it, Like I wasn't like, oh he is gay.

1148
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: But it was such a different vibe, and in retrospect

1149
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, because we were both gay, like

1150
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: it was like very gay, like we would like dance

1151
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: to spice girls and we would like like be silly

1152
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: in like a very different way than with the straight guys.

1153
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1154
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: In fact, it did turn out that my best friend

1155
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: from New Jersey was also is also gay now, and

1156
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: we would have sleepovers together, the two of us. I

1157
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: was very close with his mom. He lives in New

1158
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: York now, and I've like met his fance. Sorry, I

1159
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: was remembering if they had actually gotten married yet. I

1160
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: met his Beyonce, and so in that sense, yes, However,

1161
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: what I will say about him and about our relationship

1162
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: both then and now, never was there in either direction

1163
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: like a longing. It was just like we loved rome

1164
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: and Michelle. Yeah, yeah, it was not like this. It

1165
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 2: was not called me by your name. It was not

1166
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: like we had a secret affair. It was truly like

1167
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: it was genuinely based around pop culture.

1168
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was mine.

1169
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we liked We watched Making the Band three, which

1170
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 2: is the one where they did Danity Kane oh classic,

1171
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 2: and we loved Romeo Michell's high school re union. Those

1172
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 2: those are the two big things, which is very sweet.

1173
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: Actually, that's actually really sweet.

1174
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: I do feel like as a kid, you just need

1175
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: one thing you're both into, and you're well friends for life.

1176
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the question, and I know we have to,

1177
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 2: we have to log off.

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00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: What about adult sleepovers?

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00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: I feel like whenever I hear the term adults sleepover,

1180
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: it feels like some sort of code for polyamory. Yes.

1181
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when they're It's like when people use

1182
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: the word play and you're like no, yeah.

1183
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean when people refer to like sex as like no,

1184
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: like I'm going partner, I'm like no, no, no, that

1185
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: is nasty.

1186
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: Although I do think the adult version of sleepover is

1187
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: the group upstate trip, the group springs tripping.

1188
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, which.

1189
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: Is also sort of I understand that, you know, often

1190
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: our friend groups tend to be more gay, but like,

1191
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: I actually feel like that is a sort of straight thing.

1192
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: It's like each couple has their own room and then

1193
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: we all get together and make tacos for Taco Tuesdays.

1194
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: Well, it's very couple based, couple based. I do miss

1195
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: actually the sleepover I remember, which I remember in college,

1196
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: we all like slept in the living room one night

1197
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: to like try to recreate it, and it actually was

1198
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: really fun.

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00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 3: I love like if you go out with a friend

1201
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: and then you just get back to late and they're like,

1202
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 3: do you just want to crash here?

1203
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: And oh my god, I love that. I feel like

1204
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: that's you.

1205
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: Like La has that more than New York does, if

1206
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: I believe, I mean if I no, I think.

1207
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: You're right because it's like you you can You're like here,

1208
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: I actually have another bag.

1209
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone has a guest room. Also, everyone's like, you know,

1210
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: you'll like have one too many drinks so you don't

1211
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: want to drive.

1212
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: Home, right right, right right?

1213
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1214
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.

1215
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: Okay, well it's settled. When we visit we're having a

1216
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: sleepover period.

1217
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, Parna, any final thoughts on sleepovers and what

1218
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: makes them straight sleepovers?

1219
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: I guess we didn't even touch on a cult activity

1220
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: because I do feel like it's often where spirits are cured. Yes,

1221
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: and I didn't want to do a podcast without talking

1222
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 3: about spirit No, you're.

1223
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: Right, and that does make them a little queer.

1224
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of bitch craft feather board.

1225
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's actually some movie coming out. I shouldn't that.

1226
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: I shouldn't do that because it's a time thing. But

1227
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just saw a trailer for some

1228
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: sleepover based horror movie and it looks oh.

1229
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: That's tough, familiar.

1230
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well ya gotta.

1231
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I'll probably see it.

1232
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: The other thing is not only when I probably see

1233
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: it randomly, three people we know are probably in it.

1234
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I'll own the merch for something.

1235
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1236
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the one thing we didn't touch on, also

1237
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: just briefly, is like where you sleep in the sleepover,

1238
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: Like I feel like one of the straighter things. That's

1239
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: like the hierarchy of real estate.

1240
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you're basically practicing for being in a corporate

1241
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: environment sort of. You're like, well, we have a startup

1242
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: for one night, and someone is a CEO, and someone

1243
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: is a CMO, and someone is God forbid, the head

1244
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: of HR.

1245
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: Shout out to my dad. All right, Well, then I

1246
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: think we're all set. I think if you just covered it,

1247
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: we really covered it. Well, I think it might be

1248
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: time for a fine segment. A part of our find

1249
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: Out segment is called shout Outs, and in this segment,

1250
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: we give a shout out to anything that we are

1251
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: enjoying in the homage to the great straight tradition of

1252
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: the radio shout out. Imagine it's two thousand and one.

1253
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: You're at TRL shouting out to your squad back home,

1254
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: but about anything that you like. We will go first,

1255
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: but I'm doe, yeah, because mine was stolen from our intro. Actually,

1256
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm sorry.

1257
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: You can still do it.

1258
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: No, I can't do it any Okay, go ahead, what's.

1259
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: Up everybody at my virtual sleepover? Log into zoom and

1260
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: put in the password, because honey, we are putting our

1261
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: pjs on and watching mean Girls. I want to give

1262
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: a shout out to buying a pair of honestly kind

1263
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: of fancy sandals for the summer. You know what, this summer,

1264
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying no to the ironic tiva, and I am

1265
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: saying no to just wearing my normal birken Stock. I'm

1266
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: gonna get out there and I'm gonna buy a short

1267
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: of mid priced sandal. And guess what else I'm gonna do.

1268
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wear with a suit at a wedding or

1269
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: other kind of event, and I'm gonna wear it with

1270
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: a linen pant. Potentially either on a boardwalk or some

1271
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: kind of beach environment, and I'm gonna wear it in

1272
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: a business setting, and I'm potentially even gonna get a

1273
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: pedicure and have that shine while I wear my fancy sandal.

1274
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm going to go to the Camper Store

1275
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna buy a sandal and I'm gonna wear

1276
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: it from May through approximately October. So if you want

1277
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 2: to join me in doing that, it's a movement. Get

1278
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: out there, turn off that zoom camera and join me

1279
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: at the Camper store.

1280
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 4: Woo.

1281
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: So you're saying that Burke, you're gonna go higher than

1282
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: a Berks Burk socks like cletsy like I feel like.

1283
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: I I mean, of course, I'm not saying it's like, yeah,

1284
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 3: we're just two.

1285
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm from Texas. We don't know you're high flute in

1286
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: New Jersey.

1287
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's trashy, but it's like it's not exciting.

1288
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: Everyone has a burkanstuck. I'm saying, imagine like a black

1289
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: leather it has an ankle strap and like a little

1290
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: purn in the front.

1291
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: Oh you know what I mean? Like it is it's

1292
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: it's designer. I mean the way I love that you

1293
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: constantly elevate yourself and me and this podcast, and so

1294
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: I celebrated. Thank you. Can't wait to learn from your culture. Okay, wait,

1295
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: I have to think of one and I will very Okay,

1296
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: what's up everyone around the globe, coast to coast. I

1297
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: want to give a huge shout out to allergies and

1298
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: the people.

1299
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 2: That have them.

1300
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: I for a long time did not have them and thought, well,

1301
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: guess I'm just different. I guess I'm just special. I

1302
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: guess it pays to be me. And recently I have

1303
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: been hit so freaking hard with allergies, and it's really shocking.

1304
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: It is crazy that you are just allergic to outside,

1305
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: and it's crazy that you are just ill sort of,

1306
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: and but you don't actually have the excuse of being sick,

1307
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,959
Speaker 1: so you can't do nothing. Click exists. I'm learning about

1308
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: all the medicines that exist. I'm learning about all the

1309
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: tips and tricks, and I feel like I'm finding community

1310
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: in the people with allergies. And you know what, it

1311
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: may hurt physically, but emotionally, my soul is nourished and

1312
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: I am among my chosen family, the people with allergies.

1313
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and it's me now, okay, Hey, hey, oh qomg, hey, trap,

1314
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: what's up? I just want to I'm out here and

1315
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: I just wanted summer's coming, or maybe it's already here,

1316
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: who knows. I just want to give a shout out

1317
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 3: to room temperature water. I'm so tired of being just

1318
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: living in an ice normative society where people can't stop

1319
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: loading up the cool cubes into every drink, empty glass

1320
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: or not, and then you're surrounded by friends just chomping

1321
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 3: them enamels, compromised as far as you can see. And

1322
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 3: I just love a water a little warm. Sure, I'll

1323
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 3: take it. You can even call it light tea or

1324
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: clear tea. I'll drink it. I'll drink your water that

1325
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: they accidentally forgot to put ice in. I just I

1326
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: can't handle a twofold beverage, and I'm tired of being

1327
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 3: quiet about it.

1328
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: So wow, that is amazing. Do you agree? I do agree?

1329
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1330
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean, when it's like real hot out, a nice

1331
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: glass of ice cold water can be a luxury. But

1332
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: like mostly cold things, I'm like, I don't need cold interest,

1333
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: Like I actually wish ice cream could be room temperature?

1334
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: Okay, can I can? I can? I can I offer

1335
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 2: you a creme brule.

1336
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: I just think ice cream should be warmer. I like

1337
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: the consistency. I like that. Oh, I just want it

1338
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: to not be so damn cold.

1339
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 3: You know when someone told me ice cream like cold

1340
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 3: things don't taste as sweet, which is why ice cream

1341
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 3: is like has even more sugar than you think it does,

1342
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 3: because when it's warmer, you'll taste how sweet it is totally.

1343
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

1344
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 2: And that's why I mean, when you taste warm ice cream,

1345
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: it really does not taste good.

1346
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: Okay, well it will, Oh my god, we're gonna figure

1347
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: it out.

1348
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: You need like this is a summer of warm ice cream.

1349
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going right this second.

1350
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: I cannot believe you want ice cream to be warmer,

1351
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: a lot warm. I'm feeling very outnumbered because I really

1352
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm.

1353
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: Normal, I'm normalm roofed up. No, they'll call it Texas style,

1354
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: Texas vile ice cream.

1355
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: I cannot. But you know what, if anyone's listening and

1356
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: they're feeling other, just know that you have an ally

1357
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: in me and I like the normal virtue of ice cream,

1358
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 2: which is cold.

1359
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

1360
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: Well, oh my god, I would love an ice cream

1361
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: right now too, cold all right, well, partner, thank you

1362
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: so much for doing this pleasure.

1363
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: It was so much fun.

1364
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: I was just digging up the path.

1365
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll see you at the sleepover. The sleepover,

1366
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: but don't invite your partner.

1367
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: I cannot talk publishing again.

1368
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 3: Don't worry.

1369
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: Probably has to work, okay,