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Speaker 3: All right, in about fifteen minutes, another keyword will be revealed.

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Speaker 4: Here on the John and Ken Show on KFI.

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Speaker 3: You're chance at one thousand dollars the inflation compensation contest.

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Speaker 3: We begin this how we're going to talk to John

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Speaker 3: Capoul from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. We talked about

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Speaker 3: this story last week, but John can filled in a

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Speaker 3: lot of details. It all started with a budget trailer

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Speaker 3: bill in Sacramento and it.

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Speaker 4: Sounds eye rolling and eyeglazing, but.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, it's resulted in this proposal that your electricity bill,

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Speaker 3: your utility bill, will not only be based on your consumption,

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Speaker 3: but also a portion of would be based on your income.

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Speaker 4: And let's see how that came about. John, Welcome back

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Speaker 4: to the show.

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Speaker 5: Always a pleasure, guys.

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Speaker 6: How you doing boy?

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Speaker 1: This is classic Soviet socialism.

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Speaker 5: It really is people with money.

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Speaker 2: Are being forced to pay other people's electric bills.

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Speaker 5: That is true. And the other thing that's really critical

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Speaker 5: about this is is just another example of how they

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Speaker 5: try to hide tax increases. They try to hide the

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Speaker 5: tax increase embedded within your utility bill because you know,

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Speaker 5: when people pay their electric bill, they think it's it's

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Speaker 5: it's based on how much electricity they use, which is correct.

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Speaker 5: This is what California voters have supported in many instances

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Speaker 5: in the past what we call cost of service principles,

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Speaker 5: and that is, you use a service and you pay

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Speaker 5: for the service. You use more of the service, you

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Speaker 5: pay more, you use less. This is an example to

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Speaker 5: actually redistribute wealth from higher income people to subsidize lower

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Speaker 5: income people. And if you want to do that, use

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Speaker 5: the government's general fund, either the general fund of a

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Speaker 5: city or the state. But they don't want to do

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Speaker 5: that because it looks dangerously like a tax increase. Because

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Speaker 5: it is a tax increase.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't a tax increase have to go through the legislature?

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Speaker 1: Is this legal?

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Speaker 5: It did go to the legislature. This was a yeah,

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Speaker 5: this was a B two O five and uh, but

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Speaker 5: it's discis right. Well, first of all, it blew by everybody.

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Speaker 5: Keep in mind that AB two to five as of

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Speaker 5: June twenty sixth had no language in it four days later.

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Speaker 5: It is a massive energy related bill that had three

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Speaker 5: major components of which this was just one. It was

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Speaker 5: a huge bill, never had any hearing at all, no

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Speaker 5: meaningful here. It's one of these trailer bills that they

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Speaker 5: income based utility rates, which on its face doesn't make

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Speaker 5: any sense. No other state does this. No other state

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Speaker 5: takes into account your income as a basis for your

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Speaker 5: but it's going to be very difficult to implement. Are

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Speaker 5: going to prove what your taxes are? Again, this idea

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Speaker 5: is not ready for prices.

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Speaker 4: And let me ask you this.

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Speaker 3: Two bills like telephone, maybe electric, don't they already have

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Speaker 4: You know, for the poor people that can't afford to pay.

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Speaker 3: There's some little fee or something like that that's already incorporated.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and those are like lifeline rates. You know, there

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Speaker 5: are some that there are these more or less miscellaneous

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Speaker 5: charges which we've never litigated. But technically speaking, your utility

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Speaker 5: rates should be based on the cost of service. No

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Speaker 5: one has ever litigated a lifeline rate because it's always

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Speaker 5: to help people less fortunate, but it's always been modest. Never,

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Speaker 2: Well, plus it's the California Public Utilities Commission are going

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Speaker 2: legislature should be spelling that out, and that should be

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Speaker 2: part of the vote. First of all, this should be

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Speaker 2: a standalone bill, so the public should be very aware that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the following groups of earners are going to

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Speaker 2: money is going for, you know, to pay poor people's electricity.

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Speaker 1: There's none of that here. Instead, they're giving it off

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Speaker 5: They are giving it to the PUC, and the PUC

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Speaker 5: has the authorization, has the jurisdiction to set fees, but

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Speaker 5: not so much to impose taxes. Now Here is where

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Speaker 5: it gets interesting, because, as you guys know, we've qualified

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Speaker 5: for the ballot for twenty twenty four, the tax Payer

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Speaker 5: Protection and Government Accountability Act. It's already qualified for the ballot.

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Speaker 5: One of the things it does is it reinforces existing

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Speaker 5: law that clearly distinguishes between what a tax is and

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Speaker 5: a legitimate fee. And if the TPA, the tax Payer

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Speaker 5: Protection Act, passes in November of twenty four, then this

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Speaker 5: particular scheme will likely be illegal because you cannot call

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Speaker 5: this rate structure a true fee.

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Speaker 1: What is a fee and what is a fit?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, that's a perfect example. You go into a

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Speaker 5: of getting getting entrance into the fee you have. There

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Speaker 5: are other kinds of like a trash pickup fee, and

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Speaker 5: trash pickup fee is supposed to be more or less

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Speaker 5: related to the cost of the service. If you have

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Speaker 5: you have a small container. So there are requirements. There

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Speaker 5: For example, you're never going to hear farmers complain about

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Speaker 5: about it. But when the fees become excessive, and when

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Speaker 2: Because this is not a fee, because I'm not get anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm not getting anything out of this charge. This is

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Speaker 3: I'm not getting subsidizing. Somebody else is getting in the park,

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Speaker 5: So there's an old poem. I don't think I will

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Speaker 5: ever see a tax as ugly as a fee. So

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Speaker 5: you know, that's exactly what these are. And they've been

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Speaker 5: playing these games forever. They embed local governments and state

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Speaker 5: governments continue to try to embed taxes into a fee structure,

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Speaker 5: number one, so they get more revenue. But number two,

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Speaker 5: it's hidden. It's hidden people pay these things when people

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Speaker 5: will pay their utility bill. If this thing goes forward

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Speaker 5: and is implemented, people will pay the utility bill and

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Speaker 5: they'll say, geez, these rates are high. Well, it's not

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Speaker 5: the rate that's high, it's the fact that you're paying

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Speaker 3: All right, John, thank you so much for coming on again.

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Speaker 3: Of course, we'll be talking a lot into next year

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Speaker 3: about the Taxpayer Protection and Government Accountability Act. Got to

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Speaker 3: get that passed on next year's ballot. Thanks for talking

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Speaker 5: You bet guys.

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Speaker 3: Take care, John Capal, President of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.

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Speaker 3: As we're not giving up this story, even though it

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Speaker 3: wouldn't take effect until twenty twenty five. But the idea

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Speaker 3: that your electricity bill wouldn't be based solely on your usage.

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Speaker 3: There'd be a fixed fee component based on your income.

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Speaker 4: The socialism, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the more money you make, the more you have

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Speaker 3: to pay for electricity that you don't use. Use somebody

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Speaker 3: else is using. Right, We have nothing to do with

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Speaker 4: Hell all right?

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Speaker 3: More coming up Johnny KENKFIAM six forty Live everywhere. Oh

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Speaker 3: and the word is coming up next to keyword for

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Speaker 3: your chance at money. See John, we give money here

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Speaker 3: at KFI. We don't take money from the listeners. Johnny

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Speaker 7: AM six forty.

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Speaker 3: Coming up after three point thirty, we'll welcome back John

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Speaker 3: Tommy to the John and Kent Show. He's an LA

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Speaker 3: County Deputy District Attorney, lead prosecutor in the case against

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Speaker 3: this mother and her living boyfriend who killed the mother's son,

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Speaker 3: Anthony Ovolo's big story out of Lancaster a few years back.

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Speaker 3: He died in twenty eighteen. Finally came around to trial.

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Speaker 3: They were found guilty by a jury.

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Speaker 3: possibility of parole. See how long that lasts. But anyways,

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Speaker 3: something they have their eyes on, making sure even murderers

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Speaker 3: fifteen years, something like that. But anyway, we'll talk to John. Tommy,

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Speaker 3: of course, is also running for La County DA in

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Speaker 3: next year's election to unseat the abominable George Gascone from office,

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Speaker 3: So we'll get you more details on that story. This

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Speaker 3: always fascinates me when I hear a story like this,

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Speaker 3: Not to be confused with doctor Kovorkian. John remembers who

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Speaker 3: that is, right, doctor Kvorkian.

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Speaker 1: They used to have that little suicide van he drive

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Speaker 4: He's a strong believer and you're right to take your

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Speaker 3: He would invite you into the suicide van and he

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Speaker 3: would inject you and you would die, yes, And then.

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Speaker 4: He would speculation that he had an odd fascination with

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Speaker 4: watching people die.

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Speaker 2: He used to take photographs when he was in a hospital,

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Speaker 2: trying to people's last breath. Yeah, he would take rapid

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Speaker 2: fire photos and we try to get the exact second

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean some people thought he did good.

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Speaker 4: And you're you're a big believer in the eggsit bags.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, he was an early like an early innovators,

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, we're not going to talk about doctor Covorkian.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about well, not doctor, but mister Govorkian.

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Speaker 4: Yes, g E.

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Speaker 3: V O r ki A Stephen Govorkian, forty four years old.

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Speaker 3: He comes from Studio City. He's being charged with illegally

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Speaker 3: providing medical care two thousands of patients at a medical

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Speaker 3: facility he ran into Luca Lake. Oh, John, that's right

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Speaker 3: Well, any suggestion that mister Givorkian's he referred to him

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Speaker 3: And well, then if all of those places you described

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Speaker 4: I was just you know, giving people vitamins.

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Speaker 2: Well that that's yeah, okay, unless he has because like

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Speaker 3: By the way, George Gascon is the one that went

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Speaker 4: Did you ever hear about that? Yeah, I think there's

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Speaker 2: It depends if they have evidence Ary actually passed himself

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Speaker 3: Because if you literally have cancer, I don't think you

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Speaker 4: Well, today was judgment day.

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Speaker 3: They got life in prison without the possibility of parole.

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Speaker 6: Thank you Johnny Kain for having me.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel now that the sentence is by

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Speaker 6: Beginning to endy So the family you know, has had

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Speaker 6: That the siblings, Anthony's brothers and sisters are finally able

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Speaker 6: And I think what's important, John and Ken is you know,

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Speaker 6: That's something that Jorge gas Gone refused to do. He

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Speaker 3: in prison with that parole. But you're saying you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: even talk to the family about their loss.

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Speaker 6: No, you know, so when George implemented those policies, he

443
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Speaker 6: ordered the prosecutors, which would be me, to remove the

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Speaker 6: special circumstance that was before that we followed that lawsuit,

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Speaker 6: and so I immediately said, you know, you need to talk

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Speaker 6: to the family.

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Speaker 5: He refused to do that.

448
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Speaker 6: I said that you need to meet with the prosecutors.

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Speaker 6: You refused to do that. I said you need to

450
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Speaker 6: meet the detectives. You refuse to do that. I said, well,

451
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Speaker 6: let me give you the evidence so you can look

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Speaker 6: at that before you tell us or order us to

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Speaker 6: re moved the special circumstance. He also refused to do that.

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Speaker 6: And so when the case was in front of Judge Kennedy,

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Speaker 6: this was in twenty twenty one, early twenty twenty one,

456
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Speaker 6: before our lawsuit, I refused to remove the special circumstance.

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Speaker 6: George also removed capital punishment without even looking at the case,

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Speaker 6: without even looking at the evidence in the case, without

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Speaker 6: even talking to the family members. The family members reached

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Speaker 6: out to him, he refused to talk to them. And so,

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Speaker 6: you know, this is.

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Speaker 2: Why do you why is it he refuses to even

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Speaker 2: talk just to explain his point of view because.

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Speaker 6: He's a narcissist and because he believes he knows better

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Speaker 6: than everybody else, and so if anybody disagrees with him,

466
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Speaker 6: he feels like, you know, that's an affront to him.

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Speaker 6: And so instead of actually being an elected a district

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Speaker 6: attorney who wants to listen to you know, the community

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Speaker 6: and to listen to his constituents. He basically has said

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Speaker 6: that I know more than you, I know more than

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Speaker 6: the community. I'm going to make these decisions and I'm

472
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Speaker 6: not going to listen to anybody. And so anybody who

473
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Speaker 6: disagrees with this guy, anybody who's smarter than this guy,

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Speaker 6: anybody who has different, diverse opinions, he doesn't want to

475
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Speaker 6: hear it. He doesn't want you to talk about it.

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Speaker 6: He's not going to collaborate with anybody who disagrees with him.

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Speaker 6: And like you know, he surrounded himself with a whole

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Speaker 6: group of people that know nothing about being a prosecutor

479
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Speaker 6: and also agree with them. But most of them even

480
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Speaker 6: have less experience than he does.

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Speaker 3: He gets angry. It's a personal attack. If somebody has

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Speaker 3: a different interpretation of.

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Speaker 6: A case, I mean, you're right. So if somebody says,

484
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Speaker 6: you know, here's the law, and George says, well, you know,

485
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Speaker 6: I'm a politician, I don't agree with that law, he

486
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Speaker 6: gets mad if you start talking to him about it.

487
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Speaker 6: If somebody says, hey, you know, the facts in this

488
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Speaker 6: case are real, egregious, you know this person is dangerous.

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Speaker 6: George Gascon doesn't want to hear it. He only wants

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Speaker 6: to talk about the criminal, the wrongdoer. You know what

491
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Speaker 6: trauma they went through, the fact that they need to evolve,

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Speaker 6: the fact that we need to do all this stuff

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Speaker 6: to help them. He doesn't really want to talk about

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Speaker 6: public safety. He doesn't want to talk about, you know,

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Speaker 6: prosecuting murderers or child molestors or rapists. He doesn't want

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Speaker 6: to talk to the family members. He doesn't believe in

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Speaker 6: incarcerating murderers and rapists. Him and a large group of

498
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Speaker 6: people believe that we need to get rid of all

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Speaker 6: the prisons and all the jails, and we should incarcerate anybody.

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Speaker 2: Do worry that this couple might get released not too

501
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Speaker 2: many years down the road with the way this movement

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Speaker 2: is continuing to glow down prisons.

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Speaker 6: And that's a great question. I brought that up in

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Speaker 6: the press conference. Here's the thing, and I hope the

505
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Speaker 6: legislators in Sacramento are listening to me and to all

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Speaker 6: the people, because life without the possibility of parole means

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Speaker 6: life without the possibility of parole. And so these individuals

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Speaker 6: on the Public Safety Committee, and you know who they are,

509
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Speaker 6: you know, Skinner and Wiener and Joan Sawyer. This large

510
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Speaker 6: group of not large, actually, it's a small group of

511
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Speaker 6: individuals who think that they know what most of the

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Speaker 6: people in California want. They're clearly wrong, because most of

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Speaker 6: the people in California believe, if you torture and murder

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Speaker 6: a child, you should at least spend the rest of

515
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Speaker 6: your life in prison. If you rape and murder a child,

516
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Speaker 6: you should at least spend the rest of your life

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Speaker 6: in prison. And they're up there now in Sacramento trying

518
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Speaker 6: to get rid of life without the possibility of parole.

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Speaker 5: As they.

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Speaker 6: Don't care. I don't care about you or me.

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Speaker 1: I just about and marvel at how extreme they are.

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Speaker 3: You could kill a child, You could torture a child

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Speaker 3: viciously and kill them, and they still don't think that

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Speaker 3: requires a long prison sentence.

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Speaker 2: That's a stunning yeah.

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Speaker 6: And here's the thing. They don't represent all of us.

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Speaker 6: They're a small, little radical group. You know that, you know.

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Speaker 6: And it's sad because I'm a Democrat and so but

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Speaker 6: I'm a Kennedy Democrat, and so I have a small

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Speaker 6: group in my party who are very, very radical, who

531
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Speaker 6: don't represent all of us, who don't believe that you

532
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Speaker 6: need to fight for children who don't believe that you

533
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Speaker 6: need to protect the community. I believe the majority of Democrats,

534
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 6: the majority of Republicans, the majority of people in California

535
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Speaker 6: believe if you murder and torture a child, you should

536
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Speaker 6: go to prison for the rest of your life. If

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Speaker 6: you rape and torture a child, you should go to

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Speaker 6: prison for the rest of your life. There is no parent,

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Speaker 6: there is no parent here in Los Angeles who I

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Speaker 6: believe believes what George Gascon believes. There's a small group

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Speaker 6: of radical people, you know, that group they think stealing.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're in charge of these public safety committees,

543
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Speaker 3: and they're in charge of everything right now.

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Speaker 6: Right right, And so we need to fight back. And

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Speaker 6: so this is why, you know, I've been fighting this

546
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 6: guy for two and a half years. And so we

547
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 6: all need to get together, Republicans and Democrats, put aside

548
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 6: any of our little differences and start fighting for each other.

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Speaker 6: Unite instead of divide. Kick George Gascon out of office,

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Speaker 6: you know, kick all these radicals that have taken over

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Speaker 6: city council and think theft is okay. You know, def

552
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 6: isn't okay. Kick them out of office, get together as

553
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Speaker 6: a group and say, hey, we want to elect normal,

554
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 6: reasonable people who actually want to protect our community and

555
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Speaker 6: protect children and families.

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Speaker 4: All right, what's the website again, John, for your campaign.

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Speaker 6: For DA three is Jonathanhatami dot com, j O n

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Speaker 6: A T h A n A, Tommy h A p

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Speaker 6: A m I dot com. And you know, John and Ken,

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Speaker 6: I love for the support of you and for the community.

561
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 6: I love for your vote. I love for you you're

562
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Speaker 6: trying to support my campaign and for the people in

563
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Speaker 6: this community to support my campaign because at the end

564
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Speaker 6: of the day, I believe everybody in Los Angeles wants

565
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Speaker 6: public safety. They're tired of politics as usual, and they

566
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 6: do want to fight for children and families. And what's

567
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Speaker 6: going on right now is absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: That is wrong.

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Speaker 6: Crime is wrong. Murdering and torturing children are wrong. And I,

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Speaker 6: you know, and I don't care what any of these

571
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Speaker 6: these radicals say. I will stand up to them and

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Speaker 6: fight them because it isn't a political issue. It's a

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Speaker 6: human rights issue. We all live here, and I'm going

574
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Speaker 6: to fight for you and for your children and for

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Speaker 6: my children.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you very much for talking to us

577
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Speaker 3: once again. Appreciate all your hard work, all your heart.

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Speaker 6: No, thanks, thank you, johnay Kan for having me.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: That's Jonathan to Tommy tireless prosecutor, one of the I

581
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: think the first guest we had on from inside the

582
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Speaker 3: DA's office to go after his boss, George Gasco. Show

583
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Speaker 3: a lot of bravery in that too, and he's incredible

584
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Speaker 3: in the courtroom in these child abuse cases. More coming up,

585
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Speaker 3: Johnny Ken kf I AM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 7: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI

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Speaker 7: AM six forty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the one thing we didn't have enough time to

590
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Speaker 3: talk to John had Tommy though about child Services, I mean,

591
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: and their failure in the death of Anthony Ovolos, and

592
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Speaker 3: this idea that Heather Barren, the mother and by the way,

593
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: she and her living boyfriend just got life in prison

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Speaker 3: without parole. She got sent to parenting classes. When you're

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Speaker 3: torturing and physically abusing horribly a little boy, you don't

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Speaker 3: get parenting classes. You get the boy immediately moved from

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Speaker 3: the home, and you go.

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Speaker 4: To prison for life. It's that simple. This upside down

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00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: were well, we have to understand, we have to keep

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Speaker 4: the family together.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm sure she just needs a little bit of

602
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Speaker 3: a training and understanding.

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Speaker 2: It's not that hard. Hey, don't drop your kids on

604
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Speaker 2: their head. Do you need a class for that? Don't

605
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: burn him with cigarettes. We got important news, John. There's

606
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Speaker 2: talk about AM radio being removed new cars and trucks.

607
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Speaker 1: You heard about this, Well, some stations probably should be.

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Speaker 4: You want to name them.

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00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: If we're in a natural disaster, a text will learn

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00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: your phone. It's not gonna be a substitute for what

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00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: broadcast radio can provide you in times of need. A

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00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 3: one line text ALURNT cannot take the place of the

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Speaker 3: voice on the radio talking to you twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 3: and John promises he'll be here twenty four to seven

615
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: covering the disaster because that's what he likes. At the

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Speaker 3: end of the world, of course, the cell networks may

617
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Speaker 3: not even be up and running. So when emergencies occur,

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00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: you're a local broadcast radio station is there providing wall

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Speaker 3: of war coverage, life saving information and a live connection

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00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 3: to the crisis. Radio stays in the aftermath, so you

621
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: need to make your voice heard on this issue.

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Speaker 4: You text The letters am AM for.

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Speaker 3: Was amplitude modulation, yes, two five to eight eighty six,

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Speaker 3: and tell Congress to keep AM radio in all cars

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Speaker 3: and trucks standard message and.

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Speaker 4: Data rates they apply.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 1: You go here and look at this guy over here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't forget me, Mark Thompson, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, here's you were ding and don right ding and Don.

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Speaker 8: John is so focused that he looks over and he

632
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Speaker 8: sees me and he doesn't see Mark.

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Speaker 1: He is, that's focused. He's like a battery in the

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Speaker 1: batter's that's right.

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Speaker 8: You're president, My president. Joe Biden's running again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not my president.

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Speaker 1: What come on and jump on board?

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Speaker 8: Uh ten burglar smash a van into Sherman Oaks marijuana dispensary. Well,

639
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Speaker 8: look that's where they have pot and money. You know,

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Speaker 8: drugs and money. Sure, let's say twofer and then supposed

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Speaker 8: of both are closed due to l you know West

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Speaker 8: l A due to a high underground oil league but you.

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Speaker 2: Know best West l A Beverly Hill Billies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well they've got.

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Speaker 1: Gold.

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Speaker 4: Get away from there.

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Speaker 2: I know there's oil under uh and and natural gas

648
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Speaker 2: was high School and allong Wilshire Boulevard.

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Speaker 1: Because that's why they never built a subway.

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Speaker 2: They were supposed to build it in the nineteen eighties

651
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Speaker 2: and they stopped the construction. The the Congressman Henry Waxman

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Speaker 2: got a bill passed in Congress, no drilling, no subway

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Speaker 2: construction underground going down Wilshire Boulevard because of the oil

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Speaker 2: and gas.

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Speaker 8: Right, and then they said, well, what should we put

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Speaker 8: on top of the oil and gas field?

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Speaker 1: A high school?

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Speaker 3: It was right, we need that oil and gas. We

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Speaker 3: just extracted car and there was a cancer cluster of

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Speaker 3: Beverly Hills High. And I remember Aaron Brockovich got.

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Speaker 1: Connect it.

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Speaker 8: You know it's still in if you go to the

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Speaker 8: Century City. I think it's still there. There's an oil

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Speaker 8: rig and an oil well right next to the football

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Speaker 8: field at Beverly Hills High. Yeah, finally took well they

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Speaker 8: did take it down. Yeah, yeah, so all the oil

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Speaker 8: is gone. I should have Eric on the whole night, like,

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Speaker 8: did you know that that drive flight? No, it's been

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Speaker 8: on time. Harry del fonted, Oh no, he's fine, he said,

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Speaker 8: he's at home.

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Speaker 3: Oh she When you drive in Losienegle, though, you can

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Speaker 3: still see those rigs, right, those.

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Speaker 1: Big oil No, they're gone, they're gone.

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Speaker 3: Eric, Eric, please just imitate Eric, Eric that's a very

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Speaker 3: good mark.

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Speaker 1: Tuning in for the Eric. Do your markets tend to

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Speaker 1: hit on some girl? Go ahead, you know, Eric, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you got a younger sister.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's interest.

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Speaker 4: You didn't like that.

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Speaker 8: I just say, my wife, she designs clothing for you know,

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Speaker 8: young beautiful ladies.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what he said, but it's funny.

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Speaker 4: He's dangerous at three fifty eight. He always is.

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