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Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories We had to Anchorage, Alaska, a

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Speaker 1: discovery of a woman's body on the sign of the

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Speaker 1: with the label homicide at Midtown Marriott, joining Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: Kendra Closter, the executive director Native People's Action nonprofit. Darryl Cohen,

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Speaker 1: former assistant DA Fulton County, Georgia, now famed defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt twenty seven years Atlanta Metro major case

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Speaker 1: detective and SWAT officer, Retired doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief

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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Erie County, New York. Doctor Carlo Manley, clinical

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Speaker 1: psychologist and author of Aging Joyfully and Joy From Fear,

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Speaker 1: and reporting for heavy dot Com. Jennifer is Zikowski Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace on a remote stretch of Alaska Highway.

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Speaker 1: The discovery of a woman's body on the side of

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Speaker 1: corner with a label homicide at Midtown Marriott. Police say

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Speaker 1: the card was found by a woman who opened the

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Speaker 1: files recognized the carpet from a nearby Marriott and sold

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Speaker 1: thirty nine images and twelve videos showing a horrifying beating

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Speaker 1: and strangulation of a woman by a man with a

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Speaker 1: foreign accent. That's pretty graphic. But what we do believe

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Speaker 1: is that the suspect recorded himself the events that took

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Speaker 1: place in the hotel room. Can you imagine finding this

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Speaker 1: like a SIM card and you look at it and

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Speaker 1: find images of someone being murdered? I may see, Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. You were just hearing our friend

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Speaker 1: at NBC. That was Scottie Schwartz talking a woman's body

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Speaker 1: depicted on something like a simcard. Jodey May Kendra Cluster,

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Speaker 1: executive director of Native People's Action nonprofit who works on

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Speaker 1: the issue of missing and murdered women. Daryl Cohen, renown

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Speaker 1: defense attorney out of Atlanta. James Shelnutt twenty seven years

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Metro major case swat officer now lawyer. Doctor Katherine

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Speaker 1: Maloney Nickel, City Forensic's Deputy Chief medical Examiner in Buffalo

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Speaker 1: and reporter with Heavy dot Com. Jennifer Zagowski, What in

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Speaker 1: the hey happened? Jennifer? Okay, So, this woman a concerned

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Speaker 1: citizen for thirtieth. According to a news release, just after

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Speaker 1: to quote suspicious circumstances. This woman called officials to report

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Speaker 1: finding a horrifying FD cart in the street near near

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Speaker 1: a grocery store. Imagine just shopping along and you're at

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Speaker 1: the grocery store and you see this card, this SD card,

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Speaker 1: leaning on the street. Some people might just walk by

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Speaker 1: and ignore it. She didn't. She picked it up. Hold

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Speaker 1: on just a moment. Jennifer Zakowski explain what is an

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Speaker 1: SD card? So, an FD card is what you can

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Speaker 1: in what can be in your phone. Um, that's typically

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Speaker 1: how they are used. And SD card is it saves

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Speaker 1: everything from from photos and videos and then you can

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Speaker 1: plug that FD card into a regular computer in order

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Speaker 1: to see the context of it. Wow. So this woman

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Speaker 1: minding her own business, Jennifer Sagowski with heavy dot com spots.

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Speaker 1: So what many people call a simed card an SD card?

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Speaker 1: Where was she shopping? And I don't know that I

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Speaker 1: And the only reason I believe that that she did

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Speaker 1: words homicide at MIDTOWNE Myriad inscribed on it. Okay, well, whoa,

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Speaker 1: whoa wait right there right there? Yeah, to Daryl Cohen,

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Speaker 1: I would totally totally look at that. If it said

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Speaker 1: that it's just an SD card. But Marriott's not getting

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Speaker 1: the type of publicity and their new bond boy wants

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Speaker 1: come get it, what do they find on it? They

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Speaker 1: found after inspecting it the SD card, they discovered thirty

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Speaker 1: and girls. Kendra, thank you so much for being with us. Why, Kendra,

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Speaker 1: would someone photograph or video themselves in the act of

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Speaker 1: we're looking back from the Tamine, colonialism started and they

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Speaker 1: everything is being extracted our land, our water, and that

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Speaker 1: Carla Manley, clinical psychologist, author of Joy from Fear. You

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Speaker 1: can find her at doctor Carla Manley dot com. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand, doctor Manley, why someone would film themselves committing

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Speaker 1: find that the perpetrator would prefer to be known on

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Speaker 1: a level of infamy rather than going to his death

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Speaker 1: or incarceration. Being completely unknown, and that sort of psychopathology,

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Speaker 1: the intense self absorption and desire for some sort of

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Speaker 1: It was found, Jennifer Tzikowski. How was it found? Well,

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Speaker 1: it was found by the concern citizen, the woman who

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Speaker 1: apparently was at the Girl True store, and authorities aren't sure.

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Speaker 1: It isn't known if the st card was purposely left

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Speaker 1: it found on the street? Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 1: Just the sim card? Right? Absolutely? Yes, that is correct. Okay.

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Speaker 1: That sounds more to me like it dropped out by accident,

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Speaker 1: don't quite buy that he intentionally placed it there. There

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Speaker 1: He could send it to media outlets. In law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: the purpose of being a serial killer. These people want

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Speaker 1: their crimes hidden. They go to extent to hide bodies,

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Speaker 1: have this this crime document on video or photographic evidence.

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Speaker 1: In this case, this guy actually recorded it, recorded on video,

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Speaker 1: how about then he labels it. Why would you need

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Speaker 1: to label the SD card as the Marryott homicide? Has

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Speaker 1: there been a homicide somewhere else? Why does this card

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Speaker 1: have committed. Okay, you just you just verbalized what's been

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, you you were jumping in. Go ahead, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I think people are actually viewing this sort of thing

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Speaker 1: The story is just one example of why it is

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Speaker 1: so important to know who your kids are talking to. Online.

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Speaker 1: Authorities say thirty two year old and Tommy Lee Jenkins

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Speaker 1: on October first, and began demanding sexually charged pictures from her.

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Speaker 1: But when Kylie refused to come to Indiana multiple times,

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Speaker 1: Jenkins allegedly started walking three hundred and fifty one miles

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Speaker 1: to Nina. There's an epidemic of child exploitation in our country.

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Speaker 1: The use of the Internet and social media allows for

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Speaker 1: J Malwaukee reporter Mary Joe Olah with me Sheriff John

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Speaker 1: Children Task Force Alicia because Kevich Abductions survivor doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: and Levi Page. Captain Dave Mack. When I hear this,

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Speaker 1: it gets me so distraught. A few days ago, my

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Speaker 1: How depurvs Predators get to our children well, the not

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Speaker 1: both stuff keeping, maintain that positive relationship with your children. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: one different cities because a large population of our Indigenous

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Speaker 1: people are in the urban centers. However that has not

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Speaker 1: even been looked at. And the data collected Seattle was

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Speaker 1: very high as well. This report that came out, which

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Speaker 1: I highly suggest people look at, it's just scratching the surface.

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Speaker 1: I would like to look at it. What is the

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Speaker 1: name of the report? The Urban Indian Health Institute out

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Speaker 1: of Seattle had put it out and they have put

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Speaker 1: out a couple of different reports and they're working on

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Speaker 1: an Alaska specific one as well, where they identified five

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Speaker 1: hundred and six unique cases of missing a murdered American

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Speaker 1: Indian Alaska Native women across seventy one different cities. And

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Speaker 1: in there they talked about the data that really is

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Speaker 1: just missing and that has they even found cases where

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Speaker 1: there was found nowhere in law enforcement data. You know,

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Speaker 1: I just I feel sick to my stomach. Kendra Kendra

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Speaker 1: Closter with me, executive director Native People's Action nonprofit. Please

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Speaker 1: go to crime online dot com where we give you

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Speaker 1: the link to look up and read for yourself what

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Speaker 1: Kendra Closter is telling us about the way that the

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Speaker 1: murderers and the disappearances of Indigenous women in our country,

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Speaker 1: how they are being treated are not treated. Time Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. I want to circle back to Sheriff

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Speaker 1: John Motts, Winnebago County Sheriff who conducted a sting operation

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Speaker 1: and managed to rope in Tommy Lee Jenkins, who had

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Speaker 1: walked three hundred and fifty one miles walked in order

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Speaker 1: to have sex relations with what he thought was a

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl, Sheriff Motts, how do you train

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Speaker 1: your men and women who performed these stings to go

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Speaker 1: in and act like a prayers. We are extremely fortunate

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Speaker 1: to have the individuals we do working in our task force.

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Speaker 1: They are extremely dedicated. They will get up at two

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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, set an alarm, get up at

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Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning to exchange information with predators

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Speaker 1: because predators think, you know, the detectives not working at

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Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning, and we are now at

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Speaker 1: their beckoning call, so to speak, and all of their

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Speaker 1: desires and we want to make sure that the investigation

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Speaker 1: is absolutely complete. So it is nothing but dedication and

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Speaker 1: the certifications that they have gone through. They're all highly

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Speaker 1: trained in that area, you know. Sheriff John Mots with

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Speaker 1: me these year if in Winnebago County. I'm railing about

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Speaker 1: the fact that this guy wasn't already in jail on

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Speaker 1: the two previous incidents, but thank God in Heaven you

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Speaker 1: guys managed to do this sting and get him behind

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Speaker 1: bars this time. There are so many cases to report on.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down again. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: ABC four News reporter and Emerson. An eleven year old

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Speaker 1: driver holds over randomly into a restaurant parking lot early

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Speaker 1: Monday morning. A police cruiser is there. Within a minute,

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Speaker 1: the officer gets out to investigate. The boy shakes hands

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Speaker 1: with the officer. The boy told police he was from Simpsonville.

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Speaker 1: He said he took his brother's car and drove two

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Speaker 1: hundred miles to meet a man from Snapchat. He said

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Speaker 1: he was going to live with him. And literally getting

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Speaker 1: chills up and down my arms, Captain Dave McK internet

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Speaker 1: crimes against children's task worse. This little boy, an eleven

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Speaker 1: year old child, My children, my twins are eleven years old,

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Speaker 1: meets a guy on Snapchat and is groomed and coast

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Speaker 1: to take the family car, get into the car in

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Speaker 1: the night and drive overnight, hundreds of miles, an eleven

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Speaker 1: year old child driving and by the grace of God, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said it. This had to be divine intervention. The

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Speaker 1: likelihood that in the middle of the night, in the dark,

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Speaker 1: this little boy driving all night, eleven years old, pulled

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Speaker 1: into a restaurant where a cruiser happened to be sitting there,

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Speaker 1: and he happens to see the boy a strike up

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Speaker 1: a conversation. He met a grown man on snap Chat,

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Speaker 1: Captain David Mack and was going to quote live with

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Speaker 1: him Snapchat. Yes, unfortunately, are killing are using these times

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Speaker 1: of applications, in these types of websites to meet people

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Speaker 1: that they don't know who they are. Or you know

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Speaker 1: what really touched a nerve with me listening to one

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Speaker 1: of your other guests when we talked to both the

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Speaker 1: grooming procedures. Oftentimes, like in Tommy Lee Jenkins case, these

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Speaker 1: children are seeking certain things, whether it's a parental figure

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Speaker 1: or as in the other case, somebody that's having issues

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Speaker 1: with an eating disorder. They play off of those weaknesses

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Speaker 1: and they use that to groom them and get them

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Speaker 1: to meet them at different places. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: keep thinking about Alicia. Alicia is with me right now,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to talk about you because you don't

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Speaker 1: take enough credit. Alicia Kozakevitch with me, kidnap assault survivor.

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Speaker 1: You can find at Alicia kozac dot com. I've heard

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Speaker 1: her entire story and what she went through as a

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Speaker 1: little girl. It's daunting and if you could see her,

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Speaker 1: she's stunning, articulate, educated, she's quote turned her life around.

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Speaker 1: But for every Alicia Kozakevitch, there are hundreds of other

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Speaker 1: children right now. I've got so many kidnapped children, missing children,

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Speaker 1: abused children. I don't have enough hours to help find

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Speaker 1: them all. Alicia was so abused, sex assaulted, beaten, was

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Speaker 1: forced to wear a shot collar chained to the floor

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Speaker 1: that this guy that took her sent out a video

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Speaker 1: of her crying and it was so bad he sent

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Speaker 1: it to another child porn pornst and that guy, as

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Speaker 1: evil as he is, called police. That's how Alicia was found.

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Speaker 1: And that day her perpetrator said, you know what, I've

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Speaker 1: talked to you so much, I've actually started to like you.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take you for a drive tonight. She

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Speaker 1: as a child, knew she was going to die that night,

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Speaker 1: and she heard lawman, lawmen and women breaking in the door.

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Speaker 1: She hid. She thought she was about to die. That

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Speaker 1: is what she lived through. That is what this child

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Speaker 1: lived through. Now a survivor leave page. What is happening

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Speaker 1: with Tommy Lee Jenkins. This is his third go around

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Speaker 1: trying to lure children that we know of. Please tell

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Speaker 1: me he is in jail right now. You are correct,

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Speaker 1: he is in jail, Nancy, and he is charged with

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Speaker 1: using a computer to attempt to persuade and deuce or

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Speaker 1: entice a minor to engage in unlawful sexual activity, and

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Speaker 1: that comes with a mandatory minimum of ten years in

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Speaker 1: prison and the potential for a life sentence. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: about that, and I applaud you of John Motts and

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Speaker 1: his people, Captain Dave Mack fighting the good fight. But

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Speaker 1: I've got to leave on this note. For everyone that

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Speaker 1: we catch, there's a thousand getting away with it right now.

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Speaker 1: They could be your neighbor. They could be the college professor,

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Speaker 1: your pastor your Sunday school teacher. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: they are out there and they are coming for our children.

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Speaker 1: But guess what a lot Dettle loaded. Nancy Gray's crime story,

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,