Speaker 1: Welcome to The Hidden Gin, a production of I Heart
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Speaker 1: is advised, Hi, and welcome to this very special bonus
Speaker 1: series of The Hidden Gin. The interviews. In these episodes,
Speaker 1: you'll hear me talk to people from all walks of
Speaker 1: life who have had GIN experiences, are drawn to the
Speaker 1: stories of Gin and draw lessons from these stories. You'll
Speaker 1: hear from artists, scholars, writers, journalists, and gin exorcists, and
Speaker 1: even from me as I discuss how and why this
Speaker 1: series came about in a very personal conversation with my husband.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and enjoy. So this will be the
Speaker 1: final episode that tracks with the main series, but I've
Speaker 1: been holding onto this UM Today's interview for quite a while.
Speaker 1: I've been really excited about it because our final episode,
Speaker 1: if you've listened to it yet, it's called Exorcism, and
Speaker 1: so our guest today is kind of perfect for this subject.
Speaker 1: And I was actually introduced to her by one of
Speaker 1: our other guests, one of the other guests I had
Speaker 1: on earlier actor who pointed me towards um this guest
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you might want to check her out,
Speaker 1: and I was fascinated when I did, so I'd like
Speaker 1: to introduce you to my guest today. Her name is
Speaker 1: Jihan Mancy. Jihan is a spiritualist and a writer, and
Speaker 1: she practices something called alchimistic or maybe that's what she
Speaker 1: calls and I'm not sure, but she says her alchimistic
Speaker 1: style is a blend of comedic alchemy and Islamic ESO terrorism.
Speaker 1: She writes a couple of columns for a online magazine
Speaker 1: called MS Muslim. She's also a TV writer and you know,
Speaker 1: she basically was doing these columns formison which I read
Speaker 1: I just blew through. Um. And then she decided to
Speaker 1: kind of write about other things and introduced a personal
Speaker 1: blog called Mystic Musings, where she shares her sacred knowledge
Speaker 1: that she's acquired over the years. She's really active on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I've seen her do Instagram live videos on these things.
Speaker 1: And her website is j Mancy dot com. It's j
Speaker 1: M A N. S y dot com. Um And basically
Speaker 1: she's dedicated her life to metaphysics, self healing and alcomizing
Speaker 1: your soul in order to live your truth in alignment
Speaker 1: with your highest good. Johan is based in California, and Um,
Speaker 1: she spends her life helping people who come to her
Speaker 1: out of great desperate spiritual need, people who oftentimes believe
Speaker 1: that they have some kind of a gin possession or
Speaker 1: attack on them. Before doing this work, she was an
Speaker 1: academic publishing and that was her field. But now she's
Speaker 1: dedicated her life, uh to helping people who really have
Speaker 1: nowhere else to turn. So check out my interview with
Speaker 1: John because, believe me, you never heard a story like this.
Speaker 1: So I first want to say that, UM, I don't
Speaker 1: even know where to start with you. I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: because I just learned of your work not too long ago.
Speaker 1: Now that you're this episode is going to run kind
Speaker 1: of as our season finale in a way, because it's like,
Speaker 1: to me, you are bringing so much together that we're
Speaker 1: gonna have covered over the season and your own personal
Speaker 1: experiences too. But I hadn't heard of your work until
Speaker 1: very recently, and then it was like this rabbit hole
Speaker 1: I've read like, I couldn't stop reading your blogs. I
Speaker 1: couldn't start with your college. Yeah, fascinating, But here's here's
Speaker 1: what I don't want to do. Um. I've already introduced
Speaker 1: you and the listeners. You know, I have a little
Speaker 1: bit of information about what you do, but I want
Speaker 1: to start off by can you tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit of actually about your personal background if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, ethnically, where you're from, Um,
Speaker 1: where are you from the United States? A little just
Speaker 1: about your person story. Yeah. So I'm very proud that
Speaker 1: I'm from Ohio, uh, California with my husband. My family
Speaker 1: and my parents are from Egypt. So I was raising
Speaker 1: a very progressive Islamic household and stressed that because my
Speaker 1: parents always allowed us to be very open with our
Speaker 1: questions and discussions, so nothing was like off the table.
Speaker 1: So I really credit them for my spiritual growth. They're
Speaker 1: not happy be with what I do, but they're not
Speaker 1: they're not happy with what you do. Are they scared
Speaker 1: of what you do? Is at it? I think because
Speaker 1: in Egypt, the people who um claim to be healers
Speaker 1: or seers typically their cons and they just end up
Speaker 1: taking your money. There's like a bad reputation. But you know,
Speaker 1: my parents need to understand we're in America now, things
Speaker 1: are different. So you will be shocked. You'll be You'll
Speaker 1: be shocked to learn that your parents and my parents
Speaker 1: feel very similarly because what I told them I'm going
Speaker 1: to law school. They're like, listen back home, all the
Speaker 1: lawyers of crooks and uh don't go into law. And
Speaker 1: I was like, where in America. It's a different situation here.
Speaker 1: But my family from Bokadan, so I understand that whole thing.
Speaker 1: But um, so you grew up in Ohio. But professionally,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not something of what was done,
Speaker 1: Like spiritual healing was not as your profession did. My
Speaker 1: career before this, I was an academic publishing and I
Speaker 1: was really burned out with corporate world. So I left
Speaker 1: UM a few years ago to try to pursue writing
Speaker 1: full time. I have. I worked on a Manu script.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be an author and be the Muslim
Speaker 1: version of Nora Roberts, and I came across this Muslim Um.
Speaker 1: I decided to write for them. So I wrote two
Speaker 1: columns and my good friend Jinn, who's the founder of
Speaker 1: this Muslim kept urging me to be more open about
Speaker 1: my spirituality. And she was like, you're holding back a lot,
Speaker 1: and I can tell why don't you just come out
Speaker 1: and talk more about the depth of your spiritual thoughts,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know if people are
Speaker 1: gonna say I'm a witch, and I was I used
Speaker 1: to be really afraid about label, so I kind of
Speaker 1: just threw myself into it. I became a little bit
Speaker 1: more public with what I do. I met Kredsmen at
Speaker 1: the time as just a friend, but our friendship grew
Speaker 1: because of our spirituality, a spiritual connection, and he was
Speaker 1: the one who encouraged me actually to do the spiritual
Speaker 1: work as a business. And I was really instant. And
Speaker 1: then I was making a lot of difference within the community,
Speaker 1: not just the Islamic community and the Egyptian community, but
Speaker 1: the non Muslims who I was working with. So I
Speaker 1: kind of went with it. And then now I have
Speaker 1: a full fledged business. That's kind of amazing. But let
Speaker 1: me so let me. I want to know kind of
Speaker 1: like how this all began. I mean, one thing I've
Speaker 1: heard about when it when it comes to pe and
Speaker 1: I feel like somebody has cemented over my third eye
Speaker 1: or something. I feel like one of those people for
Speaker 1: whom the veil is very thick, you know. Even though
Speaker 1: I'm like I feel like I'm open to it, I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I'd be interested in like perceiving things. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen for me, but I've heard that it
Speaker 1: actually for people who have that ability. It's almost like
Speaker 1: ain in the family off and you know a lot
Speaker 1: of times in the matriarchal line, when did it become
Speaker 1: apparent to you that you could sense things that other
Speaker 1: people could not. So first, I do want to quickly
Speaker 1: say we all had the capability to open up our gifts,
Speaker 1: and especially as Muslim's, the biggest benefit we have is
Speaker 1: the ninety nine names. So there are specific names of
Speaker 1: dog you can chant to give your third eye lastic
Speaker 1: surgery and to south the channel um and to open
Speaker 1: up those types of senses. But when I was eight
Speaker 1: years old, I had my first encounter with the spirit,
Speaker 1: and I thought everybody could see. It was my aunt
Speaker 1: who had passed that summer, and I woke up mill
Speaker 1: of the night and I was having a full fledged
Speaker 1: conversation with her and I told my mom about it.
Speaker 1: My mom was like, she freaked out because she thought
Speaker 1: I was traumatized from the death of my aunt. And
Speaker 1: when I was repeating things back to my mom about
Speaker 1: what my aunt said, my mom froze and she then knew, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's something really going spiritual going on, and my mom
Speaker 1: believes in this. So from her reaction, I kind of
Speaker 1: shut down a little bit, and it wasn't discussed. Um.
Speaker 1: In my high school years, and I started becoming more
Speaker 1: involved with the mosque and praying more and just kind
Speaker 1: of allowing myself to be a more immersed in the
Speaker 1: Islamic culture. Prior opens us up as well. So I
Speaker 1: started having dreams where they were coming true, and I
Speaker 1: didn't understand that either. And I would talk to my
Speaker 1: parents about it, and they could have given me great
Speaker 1: stories about profit USEF, but they couldn't really give me
Speaker 1: the answers of what was going on. And then all
Speaker 1: throughout my twenties, UM, I was sensing things and I
Speaker 1: couldn't put my finger on it. And then that age
Speaker 1: in the medical world, I coded, so I lost a
Speaker 1: heartbeat for about a minute. So I transitioned to the
Speaker 1: next realm and you see the whole white light. All
Speaker 1: of that's true, But the first energy I connected with
Speaker 1: was profit Jesus, and I wasn't expecting that, right, I'm
Speaker 1: expecting to connect with profit moment because I almost and
Speaker 1: I saw myself on the operating table. I saw everything
Speaker 1: that happened during a surgery or I was getting ready
Speaker 1: to move to California. I was packing. It was my
Speaker 1: first move out of my home. I think I had
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear over that,
Speaker 1: and I just the weight of stress. I collapsed. I
Speaker 1: just dropped and that my friend rushed to the hospital
Speaker 1: and I took a while for them to resuscitate me. Well,
Speaker 1: it was technically I was out for about a minute,
Speaker 1: a minute and a half. Um that minute and a half, though,
Speaker 1: felt like a lifetime to me because I saw myself
Speaker 1: on operating table, came back to life. I told it
Speaker 1: act what happened, and he was like a lot of
Speaker 1: people had these experiences. He UM encouraged. I read a
Speaker 1: book I think it was called The Proof of Heaven,
Speaker 1: and I was expecting him to say I had a
Speaker 1: psychotic break, because in mid to late twenties people have
Speaker 1: like psychosis break, so I thought I had something UM.
Speaker 1: About two weeks later, I moved to California and it
Speaker 1: was like I couldn't stop seeing spirits. So you know,
Speaker 1: we share this world with the unseen, but it was unreal.
Speaker 1: It was like I would be walking down the street
Speaker 1: and I would be bombarded with spirits and I knew
Speaker 1: they were spirits because they didn't look like actual humans.
Speaker 1: But I felt like I had lost my mind. I
Speaker 1: was convinced I had a psychotic break. Okay, John, I
Speaker 1: gotta stop, because I have so many questions already that
Speaker 1: have like they're they're backing up before I forget. First,
Speaker 1: I need to know more about what happened you in
Speaker 1: that minute and a half and you you say you
Speaker 1: saw Jesus. Now, just for people who are not musliman
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, um. John also mentioned profit use
Speaker 1: if that's Joseph, and so, you know, Muslims believe in
Speaker 1: all the biblical prophets, and Joseph, we know there's stories
Speaker 1: around him and his ability to have these dreams in
Speaker 1: which he had incredible premonitions and powers to the dreams.
Speaker 1: But Jesus is also considered a prophet. I mean, we
Speaker 1: don't worship Jesus the way Christians do, but we believe
Speaker 1: he's like one of the most powerful profits. And so
Speaker 1: that's why Johan, you know, referred to Jesus prophet Jesus.
Speaker 1: So did did you talk to him like what happening
Speaker 1: I need to know. We introduced himself as Jesus. It's
Speaker 1: also the image of Jesus in my mind is what
Speaker 1: we've seen, like you know, light brown hair, color, white
Speaker 1: colored skin. So he introduced himself as Jesus. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Jesus. And what did he look like? Was
Speaker 1: it not? Was it not what you had seen? Like?
Speaker 1: Well you what we see in our western kind of
Speaker 1: uh iconic. Ree saw more of like a shadowy figure,
Speaker 1: so I could tell the profile of his space, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't really make out all of his features. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is something that profits are
Speaker 1: usually masked like with angels. I don't see there of
Speaker 1: angels become as lights. But his voice was really it
Speaker 1: was deep, but also in a way lights that makes sense, warm,
Speaker 1: really at peace, like I felt like I wasn't crazy.
Speaker 1: I felt like this was all happening in a divine
Speaker 1: manner um the type of brightness like the bright light
Speaker 1: you see it feels like you're catapulted through a tunnel
Speaker 1: of white light. So I also thought that was that
Speaker 1: I'm dead, like I'm not coming back to life. But
Speaker 1: he told me you're gonna be Okay, but you're meant
Speaker 1: to be a healer. You're meant to heal. And again
Speaker 1: I'm drinking. I mean, I'm thought to the l A.
Speaker 1: I'm like starting any life, right, I'm gonna go sell textbooks, right. Oh.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand any of the messages that he did
Speaker 1: tell me he was gonna heal through my hands. Well again,
Speaker 1: prior to this, I had no experience in the healing word.
Speaker 1: I thought all this stuff was hot or unlawful as
Speaker 1: what we say. I thought all this was like double work.
Speaker 1: So coming back from that, I questioned a lot about faith. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so when you say that opened up kind of like
Speaker 1: a portal, like like it's almost like, uh, you had
Speaker 1: glimpses before that, but this kind of like just blew
Speaker 1: the damn wide open kind of pulled me into a
Speaker 1: different realm. Was that Was that a terrifying experience for
Speaker 1: you to suddenly be like I really convinced that I
Speaker 1: had like maybe schizophrenia. Even though I couldn't hear spirits,
Speaker 1: I thought I was having hallucinations. So I saw three
Speaker 1: different psychiatrists in l A. And I was like, you
Speaker 1: have to test me. I think I had this psychotic
Speaker 1: break and everything came back normal, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you're missing something. And then I went to at the
Speaker 1: time living in l A, I went to a called
Speaker 1: the Psychic Guide Bookshop and I walked in and went
Speaker 1: straight to the book's book shelf and I was just
Speaker 1: trying to find something and the lady had walked up
Speaker 1: to me and she was like, oh, you should look
Speaker 1: at this book and it was something about medium ship
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't do this. I muscle.
Speaker 1: She was like, okay, you have a lot to learn.
Speaker 1: And she's like, why don't you take my class. Um
Speaker 1: it's like with like wiccan one on one and I
Speaker 1: was like, I must. I don't believe in this. I
Speaker 1: can't do the stuff. Yeah, And so I went and
Speaker 1: it really opened them eyes. Energy work, So I started
Speaker 1: learning about energy. Then I jumped from that to working
Speaker 1: or studying with different um schools of thought and the occult.
Speaker 1: So the O cult can also include obviously magic, and
Speaker 1: I kept thinking there has to be a huge realm
Speaker 1: to this with Islam. So I grew up reading Imma
Speaker 1: Gazetti um e an Oudoby like, let me revisit that
Speaker 1: and let me see if I can find the Islamic
Speaker 1: version of this. All I'm working, like you know, forty
Speaker 1: hours a week my career. Then I started meditating, and
Speaker 1: I learned how to meditate through a Buddhist temple, and
Speaker 1: I came across the shape in about two or three years.
Speaker 1: From that whole things, I'm taking years of just learning
Speaker 1: about the occult in general and different forms of the occult.
Speaker 1: Then I found a really great shape the ship I
Speaker 1: worked with more just one on one, and he really
Speaker 1: helped me kind of circled us all back to source
Speaker 1: and he taught me about Islamic meditation. He taught me
Speaker 1: that Islam has their own chakra system and to work
Speaker 1: with the names of Allah. So everything just kind of started.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was years worth of studying. So then
Speaker 1: I just decided, oh, maybe I should start helping people
Speaker 1: on the side, like for fun, let me practice. So
Speaker 1: I started helping friends and word was getting out. And
Speaker 1: then after a few years, I think at that point
Speaker 1: five years later was when my now husband was encouraging
Speaker 1: me to so can I ask you, throughout these years
Speaker 1: of study, as you were trying to figure out like
Speaker 1: what was happening and how to understand it in your
Speaker 1: own kind of context. And really, I mean, I'm one
Speaker 1: of those people. I'm an observant Muslim. Um, I just
Speaker 1: think it's one source and it's just kind of branched
Speaker 1: out into different ways of understanding, like the same things. Um,
Speaker 1: you're still seeing spirits. And let me ask you one thing.
Speaker 1: You say you're saying spirits, you're not saying jin. Are
Speaker 1: they different things? I have gotten this question, and I
Speaker 1: don't know the answer. So Jim does mean spirit. There's
Speaker 1: differents of gin. There's good jin, there's bad jin. Jim
Speaker 1: can convert to any religion. And I used the all
Speaker 1: encompassing term of spirit because Jim still shocks people. So
Speaker 1: I just feel like spirit just hasn't easier. So when
Speaker 1: you're saying you saw spirits, you're not saying you saw
Speaker 1: like let's say, lingering dead people you saw like you're
Speaker 1: saying jin. No, I can see both. So the first
Speaker 1: apartment I had moved into an l a after this
Speaker 1: whole event dying and coming back to life. Um, I
Speaker 1: woke up more the night with the spirit in my face.
Speaker 1: She was missing eyes and a mouth. And later, when
Speaker 1: the spirit is missing features, it's um a spirit who
Speaker 1: suffering or a spirit of the dark. So that sleep
Speaker 1: paralysis that you get, that that means a spirit is
Speaker 1: trying to either enter your body, take your soul, or
Speaker 1: mess with you spiritually. And then the sleep procesis happens
Speaker 1: usually in a specific time frame middle of the night.
Speaker 1: So the sleep procesis, you know, happened. I was frozen
Speaker 1: and the spirit is in front of me and just
Speaker 1: like my face and I just kept reciting Um the
Speaker 1: shah Haddah, the testimony of faith, and I ate the corsie,
Speaker 1: and then eventually the spirit left. It was three in
Speaker 1: the morning. She came back to visit me again at
Speaker 1: three thirty three the next day and she told me,
Speaker 1: I need your help. I'm stuck. So I went back
Speaker 1: to UM that's like the guy bookshop. I told the
Speaker 1: lady what happened, and she's like, oh, no big deal,
Speaker 1: you just need an exorcism on the apartment. It's like
Speaker 1: what she came to my house. Turns out this girl
Speaker 1: was like wrong place, wrong time. She had been murdered
Speaker 1: in my apartment. Landlord didn't tell me, and her family
Speaker 1: had no idea what happens, and she needed to be
Speaker 1: crossed over. So all this tack and I'm thinking, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I moved to like the land of like
Speaker 1: satanic work. Like I had no idea what any of
Speaker 1: this meant, so I didn't see her as her full self.
Speaker 1: I saw her as a suffering spirit. And then when
Speaker 1: she traditions in that process of me watching the lady
Speaker 1: do the exorcism, she just elevated into pure white light.
Speaker 1: Then I was able to see her as her human self.
Speaker 1: She thanked us, and then she ended up transitioning. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this um, over the years,
Speaker 1: other than this one spirit, like, have you had contact?
Speaker 1: Is this like something that's happened more than once where
Speaker 1: you had the spirits of people have passed and come
Speaker 1: to you or jin contact you or come in some
Speaker 1: kind of encounter with you personally one on one instead
Speaker 1: of you just seeing them, but actually engage you for
Speaker 1: some reason. Just walking outside my house, if I'm walking
Speaker 1: down the street, I can see if the spirit wants
Speaker 1: to come and get a message out to somebody. But
Speaker 1: I don't go around offering, you know, on solicited advice
Speaker 1: like a lot of these shows you see people in
Speaker 1: the camera spotor medium. So I don't do that, but
Speaker 1: I do get a lot of dreams from spirits as well.
Speaker 1: And I I've noticed when I wear a hat because
Speaker 1: my our crown chapra sits on the top of our head.
Speaker 1: That's the way mediums communicate is through the crown chapra.
Speaker 1: So if I wear a hat or cover my hair
Speaker 1: of some sort, I'm not as open. Or if I
Speaker 1: wear UM certain color clothing, or like I keep bracelets
Speaker 1: on my left side, and that also tends to keep
Speaker 1: me more grounded. I don't know why, but that works
Speaker 1: for me. But I'm constantly on if that makes sense. No,
Speaker 1: I can. I can understand that immicate of perceiving things
Speaker 1: nobody else is perceiving. But I'm just wondering, how does
Speaker 1: that How how does that affect your own mental health?
Speaker 1: I mean so, I think it takes an enormous amount
Speaker 1: of UM patients and being grounded. So I have moments
Speaker 1: where like, I just can't really socialize a lot because
Speaker 1: people's energies can drain me a lot of time to
Speaker 1: be with myself or to just be at home. UM
Speaker 1: meditating a lot keeps me grounded. I chant so many
Speaker 1: times throughout the day, not just protection phrases like the
Speaker 1: shado or anything of ete of corsi, but just the
Speaker 1: names of God, and that safeguards me. It doesn't get
Speaker 1: overwhelming and less. I'm working with the client who has
Speaker 1: a lot of darkness and the ginner. Of course, they
Speaker 1: don't want to leave most of the time. So when
Speaker 1: there's things like backlash and I'm kind of at like
Speaker 1: spiritual war on behalf of the client, that's when they
Speaker 1: can get um troubling. It can conflict where it affects
Speaker 1: my daily life, or it can interfere between my husband
Speaker 1: and I, like maybe we'll get an argument, for example,
Speaker 1: But there are things that usually passed fairly quickly. There's
Speaker 1: some disharmony, but it'll balance back out. So speaking of
Speaker 1: your clients, um, so how how long? First of all,
Speaker 1: have you been actually taking clients? Eight years? Oh? Eight years? Okay?
Speaker 1: Are they mostly in California or like, is it across
Speaker 1: the country? All over the world, So there's a COVID.
Speaker 1: I'm now primarily distance based. I can do healing work
Speaker 1: from a distance, but clients find me out um all
Speaker 1: over the world to heal them. I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about a couple of stories that I read
Speaker 1: on your blog. The first story is it was. It
Speaker 1: kind of shocked me for a second, UM, because I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know too much about my my
Speaker 1: work and and kind of like what I primarily do.
Speaker 1: But it was a story about UM, a young man
Speaker 1: I think who had been murdered and his family wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot of distress, and you helped identify the suspect
Speaker 1: in the case. Can you tell me a little bit
Speaker 1: about that case first and what happened there? UM. I
Speaker 1: can't get to go to a specific because they the
Speaker 1: son was involved with UM. He was I think a
Speaker 1: drug dealer, but very casually, like it wasn't his main thing.
Speaker 1: He just dabbled in it from now and then, so
Speaker 1: his family didn't know. So on the evening that he
Speaker 1: ended up being murdered, it was because it was like
Speaker 1: a drug deal gone bad and then happened at a
Speaker 1: convenience store and there I think three people involved, UM,
Speaker 1: and of course they all left so that nobody took accountability.
Speaker 1: And then the police didn't do a very good job
Speaker 1: because this was a Muslim family and small town where
Speaker 1: these types of cases weren't really taken seriously, so they've
Speaker 1: got a racial tension and the family had an idea
Speaker 1: of who the who the perpetrators were because of um
Speaker 1: the friend friend circle or the friend group. But I
Speaker 1: just wanted more confirmation UM. So they asked me to
Speaker 1: read on it. They gave me the names who they thought,
Speaker 1: and because I can read energy, I was able to
Speaker 1: identify who had the sketchy energy, like who had the
Speaker 1: guilt and the remorse around their energy, And from there
Speaker 1: I was able to go into a deep meditative state
Speaker 1: to really connect with that person's soul and they revealed
Speaker 1: so that person's their spirits revealed to me specific information
Speaker 1: about the murder, like how the person was shot, which
Speaker 1: I had no idea, or where the lacerations were, or
Speaker 1: where he even ended up putting the gun man. I've
Speaker 1: got chills right now, honestly have chills right now. So
Speaker 1: that's why I chills. I mean that it's confirmation that
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is true. Whenever you get chills, that's
Speaker 1: your spirit confirming what you're hearing is truthful. So when
Speaker 1: you so, then what did you do with this information?
Speaker 1: You went back to the family and said, this is
Speaker 1: your family, and they told their mother, who obviously had
Speaker 1: like she was devastated from this from my understanding, I
Speaker 1: think they were able to reopen the case and the
Speaker 1: guy ended up um admitting to it. Really he ended
Speaker 1: up ye going to jail, but he I think the
Speaker 1: guy needed the way out to finally confess. He needed
Speaker 1: somebody to come to him. So the reason I was
Speaker 1: kind of shocked when I read this is because, UM,
Speaker 1: you know, as an attorney, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know anything about the non said case. Have you heard
Speaker 1: of it at all? Yeah? So I no him very
Speaker 1: very very distantly from like his family from ISNA years
Speaker 1: and years ago. You actually know a nonced family from
Speaker 1: years ago, I mean very very like cast. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: So you know, when he was seventeen, he was arrested
Speaker 1: for our murder. I have been working since to help
Speaker 1: exonerated None. We've done a lot, We've done podcasts and books,
Speaker 1: an HBO series last year, um, and we are still
Speaker 1: fighting to exonerate him. And uh, we've had two There's
Speaker 1: been two times during the course of these twenty years
Speaker 1: that different people have come to us or somebody who
Speaker 1: is working with a non team to say listen, I've
Speaker 1: had like this kind of experience that I can't explain,
Speaker 1: but kind of a psychic. They weren't even psychics, but
Speaker 1: they were like, we just saw something that we believe
Speaker 1: is like information connected to this case. And honestly, when
Speaker 1: I read that and your blog, I thought, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would love it if you spent some time thinking
Speaker 1: about this, because what I really believe with the Nons
Speaker 1: case is that there's there there are ways you can
Speaker 1: exonerate people through the court system, not exonerate, but you
Speaker 1: can actually get their release for example because of technicalities
Speaker 1: because they didn't get a fair trial. But an actual
Speaker 1: exoneration means you find the person who killed the victim.
Speaker 1: That's a real exoneration, right, So if none was released,
Speaker 1: um because you got a plea deal or for any
Speaker 1: other reason, the victim, Himan Lee in this case, would
Speaker 1: really still not have justice because the person who murdered her,
Speaker 1: we are certain is still out there. And uh, I
Speaker 1: have a suspicion of who I believe it is, but
Speaker 1: it could be a number of people obviously, so they
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if this is I'm just throwing
Speaker 1: this out there. If you would be interested in looking
Speaker 1: at this, I would be so thrilled if you did,
Speaker 1: because definitely talked about it yeah, So have you done
Speaker 1: other work with like in the criminal realm at all
Speaker 1: or was that like the only time that you got magnitude?
Speaker 1: But I have helped other people with identifying missing children
Speaker 1: for example. I'm really for example, UM, I haven't promoted
Speaker 1: myself like that, so those cases are very rare because
Speaker 1: and I barely promote what I do online. I'm more
Speaker 1: just referral based for right. I'm sure you are still
Speaker 1: quite busy though with the referrals. Um. But so the
Speaker 1: other question I wanted to ask you was about the
Speaker 1: other story I wanted to talk about. I thought this
Speaker 1: was really fascinating as well. It was a story where
Speaker 1: you contacted this this person, I guess he was a
Speaker 1: lawyer or somebody just out of the blue. You knew
Speaker 1: him casually and said you had a dream that somebody
Speaker 1: had come to you with a warning for him, somebody
Speaker 1: named somebody named maher and uh and and when I'm
Speaker 1: reading it now, I knew who Dr Mahaha Tooth was.
Speaker 1: And you know, God rest his soul, blessed his soul.
Speaker 1: An incredible pillar of the community and just an incredible
Speaker 1: human being. For folks who don't know he he just
Speaker 1: was one of the most tremendous American Muslims. I think
Speaker 1: we've had the pleasure of Um having in our community
Speaker 1: and and and his legacy lives on. So when he
Speaker 1: died a few years ago, it was a big loss
Speaker 1: to community. But in this dream, he visited you and
Speaker 1: you didn't even know who it was. No, I had
Speaker 1: no idea. So actually that story is about my husband.
Speaker 1: I have him also. My husband's a criminal defense attorney,
Speaker 1: so do also help him with his things. But you
Speaker 1: know he doesn't have fun murder cases. I always encourage
Speaker 1: him to take one. I'm like, I can help you.
Speaker 1: So the night I had met my husband and we
Speaker 1: talked about spirituality and met like Zaddie and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Um a few days later he I had the dream
Speaker 1: with with Dr who I had no idea he was.
Speaker 1: Even though I had been in l A for years,
Speaker 1: I was not connected to the Muslim community. And I
Speaker 1: called my husband and I told him, Um, I had
Speaker 1: the stream. You're gonna think I'm crazy, but I have
Speaker 1: to get this message to It's very serious. You probably
Speaker 1: want to sit down. And he's like, I can handle it.
Speaker 1: What's going on? And then I told him. Then he
Speaker 1: paused He's like, Okay, now I think you're onto something
Speaker 1: because what you just told me I had been thinking about.
Speaker 1: I haven't told anybody. It's been on my mind for days.
Speaker 1: So this really resonates with me. And then I got
Speaker 1: the car versation. He's like, well, how do you even
Speaker 1: not know who he is? He was this great pillar
Speaker 1: in our community. He was like a father to me.
Speaker 1: And how you even access this type of information? So
Speaker 1: did you later? Were you later showing a picture of doctor?
Speaker 1: How do it then? Where you like if that was him? Afterwards?
Speaker 1: So the spirits come to me in their younger version
Speaker 1: of themselves. Okay, okay, that's interesting. Yeah. Um so after that,
Speaker 1: your husband, your to be would be husband in the future.
Speaker 1: By the way, let me ask you this, have you
Speaker 1: do you have like a sense of kind of like
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in the future? Do you have that
Speaker 1: kind of ability as well? I can read energy, and
Speaker 1: I can in most cases if someone asks me, like
Speaker 1: what am I going to get married? I can give
Speaker 1: them a timeline. I don't like to get too specific
Speaker 1: with that stuff because I feel like I'm dabbling too
Speaker 1: much in the fortune telling. And that's the way from
Speaker 1: just that overall benefit of what my clairboyance can offer people.
Speaker 1: But have been times I was able to predict something
Speaker 1: and it came true. But I just don't hopus so
Speaker 1: much on that part of what I can do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have had maybe three or four dreams into my
Speaker 1: life where I drummed something very specific in it and
Speaker 1: it happened. Um. Most of them when I was younger,
Speaker 1: And I do think as you get older, you just
Speaker 1: get the material world just kind of sucks you in
Speaker 1: and it takes you away from a lot of those abilities, um,
Speaker 1: and you don't really spend too much time on them.
Speaker 1: But I know, I know it happens, I've seen it,
Speaker 1: I've experienced it myself. I want to ask you this though,
Speaker 1: I read your article about gin possession um, which is
Speaker 1: which is taking this whole thing to another level. It's
Speaker 1: one thing to help heal people, it's another thing to
Speaker 1: help people get rid of gin. Put like to be
Speaker 1: an exorcist, right to help expel. So can you explain
Speaker 1: to me, first of all, how you got to like
Speaker 1: what kind of training does it take to do that?
Speaker 1: So I do primarily work under like the guys of
Speaker 1: our religion, and so if there is some type of
Speaker 1: spiritual prescription I have to offer somebody. It's always going
Speaker 1: to come from our religion. However, a lot of the
Speaker 1: techniques I use, you can label it as coming from
Speaker 1: a different occult tradition, but it works. But every spiritual
Speaker 1: issue that's caused by a gin can be removed in
Speaker 1: a very simple manner. It doesn't require all this production
Speaker 1: that you see in the movies or that other um
Speaker 1: the phrase gin catchers proclaim. It can get violence at times,
Speaker 1: I've been strangled, at times I've been attacked by the
Speaker 1: client because the gin is working through them. But it's
Speaker 1: usually such a small part of how the healing happens.
Speaker 1: So I do the healing through the dorot kaya dot rokya,
Speaker 1: and it's a compilation of many verses from the Quran.
Speaker 1: Just the words of these verses are powerful enough to
Speaker 1: dispel gion and gen are too overpowering, then you have
Speaker 1: to use other type of modalities. So you know, I
Speaker 1: heal through my hands. So Jesus comes through every healing
Speaker 1: of mine. I don't have to call on him. Just
Speaker 1: as soon as the fact has been recited, he's coming
Speaker 1: down and working through my energy points in my hands.
Speaker 1: My palms. The light that he sends through my hands
Speaker 1: is powerful enough to dispel negative energy. So if it's
Speaker 1: evil eye energy, UM, that can be removed through the
Speaker 1: same Okay, Yeah, the gin to be extracted from the person.
Speaker 1: You just I mean, it's like kind of engaging in negotiation.
Speaker 1: So you I asked them who sent you? For what purpose?
Speaker 1: If they were sent from a curse, that curse has
Speaker 1: to be reversed before the gin leaves. The difference between
Speaker 1: how I work so I was, so the gym is
Speaker 1: kind of at the mercy of this curse, like they're
Speaker 1: bound like okay, so so and this is different. So
Speaker 1: the gym possession is the same him, yet also different
Speaker 1: from being sent a curse or any type of hex.
Speaker 1: If the curse in the black magic is not removed,
Speaker 1: no Shapherd or Amen or Anybody's going to be able
Speaker 1: to get that gin removed unless you break the curse.
Speaker 1: So the reason why I feel like my work is
Speaker 1: very effective UM versus other type of like leaders in
Speaker 1: the communities, because they don't actually remove the magic. They
Speaker 1: just focus on reciting put on and doing the dot. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that they're fine. And if the person didn't
Speaker 1: get better. It's because the person is not religious enough,
Speaker 1: and that's not true. So I opened up the space.
Speaker 1: I talked to the Jim. The jin tells me how
Speaker 1: he was sent, what was done. They show me how
Speaker 1: the ritual was done, and either I just have to
Speaker 1: completely redo it and reverse it, or I ask if
Speaker 1: he wants an offering, for example, because they buy an offering,
Speaker 1: then they're going to want an offering back. And it's
Speaker 1: really simple removable At that point, I mean, that doesn't
Speaker 1: sound simple. That sounds terrifying. Frankly, Uh, but how long
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? Is this is the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that we've done in hours or days or
Speaker 1: what are we Everyone's different. So I've noticed that people
Speaker 1: who were um diagnosed with some type of psychosis, whether
Speaker 1: it's bipolar schizophrenia, the majority of the time it's from
Speaker 1: a really bad curse. I do believe that psychosis is real,
Speaker 1: so I don't want to, you know, say that it's
Speaker 1: made up or just a spiritual disease. But every person
Speaker 1: who came to the mental health issue, I was able
Speaker 1: to get them completely. I don't know if I'm allowed
Speaker 1: to say cured. I don't know if I'm legally allowed to,
Speaker 1: but relieved of their symptoms, so they were able to
Speaker 1: get off their medication and live, you know, a healthy life,
Speaker 1: all from just a series of healings. So the most
Speaker 1: serious case I had dealt with was the guy in Scotland.
Speaker 1: He had eighty GIN possessing him since he was about thirteen.
Speaker 1: I met him at thirty years old. I wasn't expecting
Speaker 1: to even meet him. I was in Lon, didn't to
Speaker 1: work with other clients. He came up last minute and
Speaker 1: I was the whole thing got done in three days.
Speaker 1: So the first healing took six hours and that was
Speaker 1: a very long time. And then normally my healings take
Speaker 1: about an hour to two hours. Then, because it was
Speaker 1: such a last minute client, I didn't have time to
Speaker 1: see him for the rest of the trip. He fell
Speaker 1: out to l A two weeks later and in two
Speaker 1: more days his whole thing was done. Magic was reversed.
Speaker 1: He has been living such a great life since he's
Speaker 1: office medication. Um, he finished law school, he's got a
Speaker 1: great career like his life. What how does how does
Speaker 1: that happen to somebody eight gin? That's like I mean,
Speaker 1: that's is that it just happened over years, like one
Speaker 1: gin attracts another, but it wasn't an entire army sent
Speaker 1: to attack him, Like how does that happen? The original
Speaker 1: curse brought a handful of gin, and because the way
Speaker 1: the curse made him live his life, he dabbled in
Speaker 1: up hall who dabbled in drugs, And so when you
Speaker 1: drop your vibration that low and you get into those
Speaker 1: types of activities, that invites more darkness and invites more spirits.
Speaker 1: So people who talk about having a hangover, I've never drank,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what it feels like. But when
Speaker 1: people describe having a hangover to me, that means the
Speaker 1: gym's gyms are just passing through them. They're trying to
Speaker 1: leave their body. So the gym's enter you when you're
Speaker 1: just drinking alcohol, and then it takes them time to leave.
Speaker 1: And whether or not they stay depends on your spiritual light,
Speaker 1: your physical and spiritual body, and if the gin wants
Speaker 1: to live off of your life. So for him, it
Speaker 1: got compounded over the years he had been in and
Speaker 1: out of mental institutions, um get on a ton of
Speaker 1: different types of medication, and the type of medication he
Speaker 1: was on also drops his vibration, So when you're vibrations lowered,
Speaker 1: then you're more susceptible to attracting darkness. Okay, but okay,
Speaker 1: so I gotta say something about the alcohol thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: what doesn't mean alcohol itself caused like the impairment, and
Speaker 1: it has to as a as a physical substance, right,
Speaker 1: like it's biologically moving through your body. It takes time
Speaker 1: to wear off. I haven't had I haven't gotten drunk before,
Speaker 1: but I've had niq will and I know what if
Speaker 1: I know what that feels like the Nike will hangover
Speaker 1: the next day. Um so, But but I don't. I've
Speaker 1: never understood like something like that to be gin. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that says the alcohol of the Nike Will. So alcohol
Speaker 1: itself is connected. I mean the Arabic word for alcohol
Speaker 1: means spirits. Well yeah, actually we say spirits too interestingly
Speaker 1: in English. Yeah, it's interesting. There's gin or spirits attached
Speaker 1: to every element in this earth and off every substance.
Speaker 1: So of course, how you know you can never be
Speaker 1: completely immune to this, even if you're just going to
Speaker 1: be in a case and pray all day. Prayer does
Speaker 1: give us the light. So if you do get the
Speaker 1: best it can most cases, you can relieve yourself of it.
Speaker 1: I just praying. Have you ever have you ever encountered
Speaker 1: a case where you just you just couldn't like it
Speaker 1: was such a strong hold that some jin had on
Speaker 1: a on a person that there was just no way
Speaker 1: to give them relief. No, really, Wow, that lot's amazing.
Speaker 1: Cases where it's taken me maybe three months, and again
Speaker 1: I can do these things within a matter of days
Speaker 1: if basically, um A lot of times if there is
Speaker 1: if it takes longer, it's because the person isn't open
Speaker 1: or willing to do their own spiritual work or there
Speaker 1: in her work. So if they want to come kind
Speaker 1: of stuff and it's narrative that they've been cursed and
Speaker 1: that's why they can't move forward. It keeps them stuck
Speaker 1: in a dart vibration. Yeah, without actually in the court. Well,
Speaker 1: let me see this. You have you have clients who
Speaker 1: are not Muslim, right right, So how do you okay,
Speaker 1: how did those clients do the work if the work
Speaker 1: is all based through you look at in an Islamic framework,
Speaker 1: do you do they do that too? Well? I still
Speaker 1: do the doctors, so they'll listen to the Koran ing Um.
Speaker 1: I just I can speak to the more general terms,
Speaker 1: and I also can advise them of what to read
Speaker 1: constructor if they're Christian or Jewish, and I can also
Speaker 1: heal them in more of the like spiritual general terms.
Speaker 1: I see just saying, have have you ever witnessed um
Speaker 1: a Christian or Jewish exorcism or one of a different tradition. No,
Speaker 1: but I have Well I've seen exorcisms and other people
Speaker 1: who weren't Muslim, but I haven't seen it from the
Speaker 1: Jewish tradition. So let me ask you this. I know
Speaker 1: this UM. I know this guy, and I actually tell
Speaker 1: the story in one of the episodes UM without identifying
Speaker 1: who it is. Uh. He is like an internationally known
Speaker 1: national security expert. I mean, really, you know, somebody who
Speaker 1: has a lot of credibility and all kinds of spaces
Speaker 1: he testifies, like high level national hearings. And one night,
Speaker 1: out of the blue, he told me that he UM
Speaker 1: for a long time had a command over an entire
Speaker 1: group of gin that would protect to him, and that
Speaker 1: he could command them. And I know there, I know
Speaker 1: this is a thing that can happen. I have read
Speaker 1: this over you know, hit the histories and stuff. But okay,
Speaker 1: is that something that you've ever like dabbled in, Like
Speaker 1: do you are you able to do that? Like or
Speaker 1: do you want to do that? Even like to be
Speaker 1: able to control gin to make things happen. I do
Speaker 1: have a fascination with that, because there's a part of
Speaker 1: me that's controlling in the Capricorn take an immense skill
Speaker 1: and dedication, and a lot of these gin require you
Speaker 1: too fast for like forty nights or forty days, but
Speaker 1: that it's just not my realm because I feel like
Speaker 1: that teeters into a little bit of a great area
Speaker 1: and then that then you're kind of getting into Islamic magic,
Speaker 1: and so I haven't daubled in that. I'll can I
Speaker 1: just tell you something. I'll be honest here. There have
Speaker 1: been times, especially when I'm working over the twenty years
Speaker 1: on a non's case, where I'm like, I'm so exhausted
Speaker 1: from like fighting in the courts that I'm like, I
Speaker 1: need to like summon a gin who's just gonna like
Speaker 1: figure this out for me, bring me the evidence I
Speaker 1: need to exonerate this man um. But I probably don't
Speaker 1: have the kind of discipline needed for that. You can
Speaker 1: do that are just as effective as working with jin.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after the short break. So I
Speaker 1: want to ask, um, gosh, this is so you have
Speaker 1: give kids. By the way, I'm pregnant. But oh well, congratulations,
Speaker 1: Sorry I step children. Okay, okay, thanks great. So I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you you so you said at the
Speaker 1: top of of of our conversation that your parents are
Speaker 1: not a little bit like not thrilled with this. Your
Speaker 1: husband's encouraging. What about the rest of your family and friends?
Speaker 1: Are people like kind of scared to be too close
Speaker 1: to you because they're like, she can see me, read me,
Speaker 1: know me way more than I want her to. Hum.
Speaker 1: I So my parents, I think, just tell people I'm
Speaker 1: married a little lawyer, and like that's what I do
Speaker 1: for a living. Now, Um, got it? I mean they
Speaker 1: know what I do. I don't think they ever. They've
Speaker 1: never said anything to me they I don't know how
Speaker 1: they talked about me to the family. Um for about
Speaker 1: two years ago to three years ago. I used to
Speaker 1: be so petrified as the labeling a witch, and it
Speaker 1: bothered me when I would hear people associate what I
Speaker 1: do with switch crafts. So well, the blog you wrote.
Speaker 1: You said that the family you helped identify, you know,
Speaker 1: the murder of their son ended up calling them, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's terrible. Yeah. So about two years ago I went
Speaker 1: through a weird um phase where a lot of women
Speaker 1: in the community didn't want thing to do with me
Speaker 1: because they kind as a witch. All of them benefited
Speaker 1: from my service, by the way, But that made me realize, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't need to seek validation for other people. I
Speaker 1: don't need to prove myself to other people. I don't
Speaker 1: need their approval. I know what I'm about, I know
Speaker 1: my worth. Um, you know, God shows me to do this.
Speaker 1: I'm walking with God. So that kept me from yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean getting out of that scenario. Now I don't
Speaker 1: care what people call me. They can call me which
Speaker 1: if they want, if they think I have all this power, okay, great,
Speaker 1: if that were true, I would have won the lottery
Speaker 1: years ago. Um, but my parents, I think my mom
Speaker 1: she doesn't like what I do because she's petrified it's
Speaker 1: going to come back on me me. So like, now
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant, she don't do anything. Just you of your husband.
Speaker 1: I don't work. Yeah, I was like, if you're educated,
Speaker 1: just but this is this is a labor of love.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not doing this because you're like, this
Speaker 1: is how I'm going to make a living. You making
Speaker 1: a living doing this I think is warranted and it should.
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody should do this kind of work without um,
Speaker 1: you know, being compensated for it. But this is your
Speaker 1: this is a calling. I feel like I'm living my purpose. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm still a writer. I still am gonna have a
Speaker 1: book deal one day and I'll be able to work.
Speaker 1: But I'm launching projects soon. I mean I have an
Speaker 1: ascension deck, like I have other side projects. I have
Speaker 1: a little brokaya box that I put together help you know,
Speaker 1: cleans um. But I really love helping people and I'm
Speaker 1: really great at what I do knock on wood and
Speaker 1: the like relief that people have and the joy they
Speaker 1: have gives me so much. Joint for helm. Well, let
Speaker 1: me say this. I you, um are actually a fantastic writer.
Speaker 1: You really are, and I can't I mean, you know, blogging.
Speaker 1: Everybody can blog, and a lot of people write online, um,
Speaker 1: but not everybody really has su such a great school.
Speaker 1: You're actually very good writer. Can I ask you? I'm
Speaker 1: curious this might not be connected at all to the conversation.
Speaker 1: But what your book is about that you're working on?
Speaker 1: Are you've finished? Had? The manuscript I wrote years ago
Speaker 1: was about this Muslim, fabulous woman trying to navigate the
Speaker 1: dating scene in l A and and as a spiritualist
Speaker 1: is believe it or not, you can't believe how many
Speaker 1: men would not want to date me when they found
Speaker 1: out that I was in a virgin I didn't drink,
Speaker 1: of course. Amazing husband was the only guy who was
Speaker 1: previously married before who had no problem my values. Um
Speaker 1: and it was It's just kind of like a chick lit.
Speaker 1: And then I ended up. Since then, I haven't touched
Speaker 1: it since. But I turned that into the column clads
Speaker 1: to product. Okay, okay, I just chopped up the chapters
Speaker 1: in the section or installments. Now I'm writing about Islamic
Speaker 1: gess terrorism. So I mentioned a little bit about how
Speaker 1: each name of God is connected to a planet, and
Speaker 1: each is connected to a letter in the Arabic alphabet,
Speaker 1: which was also connected to an angel and to a gin.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm delving more into spirituality. The very first
Speaker 1: um election of the second episode in the series. This
Speaker 1: interview series is with a Professor Ali Alumi. Are you
Speaker 1: familiar with him? I followed him. I started following him
Speaker 1: in Twitter a few months ago. He's phenomenal. He's phenomenal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you should definitely check out that that interview. It
Speaker 1: was great talking to him, and I did not It
Speaker 1: wasn't until I discovered his threads that I knew. I
Speaker 1: had never in all these years of growing up Muslim,
Speaker 1: I'm forties six years old, knew any of this. This esoteric,
Speaker 1: like this whole world. And I want you to explain
Speaker 1: to things to me, what is exactly what is esoteric?
Speaker 1: What is what is being esoteric? What does esoteric mean?
Speaker 1: And what is a cult mean? To you? What are
Speaker 1: the differences between these things? So esoterrorism And I believe
Speaker 1: the light of God and the light of the universe
Speaker 1: the secrets of the verse, and I believe you can
Speaker 1: access that outside of the sun. But the Slam specifically,
Speaker 1: there's so much knowledge about the unseen and about how
Speaker 1: to elevate and to connect a source and to live
Speaker 1: such a god conscious life, and we're barely touched in
Speaker 1: the surface of that. And how a Slam is taught
Speaker 1: occult is more about the unseen world. Whether it's about
Speaker 1: Gin or about um the intricacies of how magic works.
Speaker 1: And I don't think magic is a bad thing. So
Speaker 1: magic can be good, then magic can be bad. But
Speaker 1: the words we speak are is a form of magic.
Speaker 1: So prayer is a form of magic, and I think
Speaker 1: that's very powerful. Here's what I'm wondering. I'm such a
Speaker 1: late person, right, I feel like I'm I'm that kind
Speaker 1: of person where if I touch this stuff it could
Speaker 1: go terribly wrong. So do you have should you be
Speaker 1: somebody who has either like a lot of spiritual discipline,
Speaker 1: has a lot of like have has had years of
Speaker 1: learning and practice, meditates because you know, there are fools
Speaker 1: who can take this stuff and I think just really
Speaker 1: mess up their lives with it. Yeah. So is this
Speaker 1: really for the late person or should most of us
Speaker 1: stay away from this stuff? I don't for some I
Speaker 1: don't fear this stuff. I don't have fear of Gin.
Speaker 1: Humans are more powerful than Jin. It's just a lot
Speaker 1: of us get into fear and we feel like if
Speaker 1: we dabble with it, they're going to take over our lives.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. Um, I do. I would love
Speaker 1: to teach women how to be more spiritual and to
Speaker 1: do what I do, because I think it's very important
Speaker 1: for women to have these tools. I think everybody should
Speaker 1: start at the basic, which is meditate and align yourself
Speaker 1: with God and whatever definition God is for you. Align
Speaker 1: yourself to sources, and learn how to really become so
Speaker 1: rooted within yourself that you rooted with God so that
Speaker 1: whatever obstacles come in your life, whether it is coming
Speaker 1: from magic or whatever, you can handle it with grace
Speaker 1: and with strength. And that's the essence of what I
Speaker 1: try to help people with. So after the whole production
Speaker 1: of the exorcism is done, I focus on how do
Speaker 1: we keep you elevated in God's way so that if
Speaker 1: this happens again, it's not going to be so catastrophic
Speaker 1: to your life. I encourage everybody, whether they're male or female,
Speaker 1: to tap into their spirituality because we are such strong
Speaker 1: creative beings and we're not accessing like a tenth of
Speaker 1: our own power. Because power, you don't need to conjure Gin.
Speaker 1: You don't need to Conjuregin. I hope I don't have
Speaker 1: to for the case at least. UM, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, how can you tell when you are contacted
Speaker 1: by somebody who believes they might be possessed. How can
Speaker 1: has it been a time where you've met somebody you said,
Speaker 1: that's not Gin, that's maybe something else, Maybe it's something
Speaker 1: in your life, depression, it's behavioral, like, how can you differentiate?
Speaker 1: How can people know what how to heal themselves or
Speaker 1: what they really need to heal themselves. So I've noticed
Speaker 1: this general theme with women who are stuff and a
Speaker 1: guy they think it's they broke up because of magic.
Speaker 1: And so if I mean, I can clearly see when
Speaker 1: magic is not somebody because I can read their aura
Speaker 1: and I can see what's going on in the energetic field,
Speaker 1: and if there's no Gin for me to talk to,
Speaker 1: then I know that they're not possessed. They're not convinced
Speaker 1: with it, like they're really looking for an excuse. That
Speaker 1: tells me they are just stuck in a lot of
Speaker 1: heartache and I can't get out of that emotional state
Speaker 1: to really see what the reality. Others who maybe have
Speaker 1: a lot of obstacles with finding a job, getting a career,
Speaker 1: going um, A lot of those issues tend to statistically
Speaker 1: be due to magic or some type of evil eye energy.
Speaker 1: So there's common symptoms and then there's your common symptoms
Speaker 1: of gin possession, like unexplainable pain or a medical condition
Speaker 1: that UM doctors can't figure out or that medicine can't
Speaker 1: even heal. Then you know, okay, there's got to be
Speaker 1: a spiritual component to that. UM If they I feel
Speaker 1: like every opportunity that comes to them doesn't come into fruition,
Speaker 1: then you can assess, Okay, is this because of an
Speaker 1: evil eye energy or is it because if they were
Speaker 1: cursed that their roads are closed? So you learn through
Speaker 1: if you can't see, like how I can see, you
Speaker 1: can kind of diagnose by the symptoms. Veering off from
Speaker 1: this question has nothing to this question. But I was
Speaker 1: just as I've been doing research into the different kinds
Speaker 1: of gin, I didn't know that there's a gin that
Speaker 1: apparently is worn with you and die with you and
Speaker 1: stays with you like it's like your gin, like your
Speaker 1: the Karnean or Greina. Right, I believe that's your shadow self?
Speaker 1: What do you believe that that is your shadow self?
Speaker 1: Or what does that mean? What does that mean? So
Speaker 1: that's a psychology term, but really are like our dark side.
Speaker 1: We're all born with light, we're also born with darkness.
Speaker 1: And that all into a big part of your ego.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry to pay off. Oh no, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. No, that's good to know. So you don't
Speaker 1: think that's an actual and actual physical gin um in
Speaker 1: the way we understand there are other gen exists. You
Speaker 1: think that's just like a an aspect of our own personalities.
Speaker 1: We have our own spiritual guides, so have our own
Speaker 1: spiritual counsel, and we have a guardian um. It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily guardian angel. It's a guardian guide. And they can
Speaker 1: be profits, they can be other beings from the time
Speaker 1: of the Salan, or they can be from our ancestry.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Can I ask you something? You said
Speaker 1: you do um some healing online and you do. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously in covid era you have to do your work
Speaker 1: online most of it. I'm sure. As you're sitting here
Speaker 1: talking to me, do you get any kind of vibe
Speaker 1: from me, any kind of sense for me? Is there
Speaker 1: a darkness? Do you want me to be open? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do, I absolutely do. I absolutely do. What you're funny,
Speaker 1: Robbia Chaundthy, you do have a dark energy that's attached
Speaker 1: to the lower back and your lower abdomen, so that
Speaker 1: if you have full pain that you can't seem to
Speaker 1: get you know, treated or relief from UM. That dark
Speaker 1: energy is stagnant emotional energy that you haven't processed fully.
Speaker 1: You don't have a curse, but you do have somebody
Speaker 1: is keeping you kind of like under their thumb, so
Speaker 1: they work with the gin to try to suppress you.
Speaker 1: It's not a curse. I want to stress that, UM,
Speaker 1: and that is an involving your your public persona, so
Speaker 1: like your ability to maybe have more achievements in your
Speaker 1: work or in your cap or have more positive publicity
Speaker 1: so that you can obviously easily break UM. There is
Speaker 1: a lot of ancestral specifically from your mother's lineage, that
Speaker 1: makes you feel like you're constantly having to fight, not
Speaker 1: just in your yourself my mind, John, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry. Are you kidding me? Okay? Keep going
Speaker 1: because this is like freaking me out, but keep going, Okay.
Speaker 1: So that is what we call usually ancestral trauma or
Speaker 1: oh god, I really want to stress that you're not cursed. Conversation.
Speaker 1: That is probably the most damaging energy you're you're battling.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to clear notus off myself
Speaker 1: and have to be cleared from the entire maternal lineage.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, So I just to respond to
Speaker 1: what you've said, I am actually crying. Um. This is
Speaker 1: a second interview I've done today, and I cried at
Speaker 1: the early one too. Anyway. Um, So for years I
Speaker 1: had terrible, terrible lower back pain from a very badly
Speaker 1: inserted eper jural. It took years. It actually took after
Speaker 1: about maybe ten years, I got hit jama done, which
Speaker 1: is the cupping, and and that in one session removed it. However,
Speaker 1: when you talk about my lower abdomen, I had a
Speaker 1: very major lower abdomen surgery earlier this year, and I
Speaker 1: had the surgery because it was necessary. I have been
Speaker 1: unable to have it for years and I am still
Speaker 1: after eight months recovering from it, and I still feel
Speaker 1: pain from it. And there's a lot of emotional baggage
Speaker 1: from it. Um. So that's shocking. As far as a
Speaker 1: person hold trying to hold me under the thombach, I
Speaker 1: don't know who that is, but I'll say whatever prayers
Speaker 1: it is. Um, not even so much that I am
Speaker 1: craving or seeking anymore. And her success. I'm content, but
Speaker 1: like I said, I really do want to get it
Speaker 1: non home and also in general, you don't want people
Speaker 1: to not like you. But the matriarchal thing, Uh, there
Speaker 1: is a lot of trauma in the women on my
Speaker 1: mother's side and it is uh, maybe the greatest source
Speaker 1: of of stress in my life. Um, including an aunt
Speaker 1: who has mental health issues who just last week I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time trying to find her housing.
Speaker 1: And I mean it, but oh my goodness, I can't
Speaker 1: even But you know, when you say you have to
Speaker 1: cleanse that from the whole line, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to start a word to begin on that. So
Speaker 1: and so if you have any suggestions, I'll take that.
Speaker 1: Now you're a dominant thing is It would be really simple, Thicks,
Speaker 1: if you decided to get this done spiritually. Um, it
Speaker 1: would be a combination of obviously what I would have
Speaker 1: to do on my end, but then you would have
Speaker 1: to take your diet just a little bit for a
Speaker 1: few weeks. The ancestral trauma, incestral energy. Um, nobody, if
Speaker 1: nobody fights like the woman in my mom's family, nobody, right.
Speaker 1: That usually takes a good like twenty one to thirty
Speaker 1: days to really uproot. And it can be um hard
Speaker 1: to go through because it requires hard on you in
Speaker 1: terms of emotionally, like a lot of episodes might be
Speaker 1: coming up for you. You You might have a lot of
Speaker 1: dreams that might be difficult, or memories that come up.
Speaker 1: But um, it's imperative to cleanse it because you don't
Speaker 1: want your bloodline to continue suffering. I had a very
Speaker 1: smart thing in my family and it took six months.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been dealing with it for forty odd years.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can. I can if it takes
Speaker 1: six months, I'm willing to put in the work. So, Jehan,
Speaker 1: you might have made yourself another client. So I'll be
Speaker 1: following up with you soon on some of these things.
Speaker 1: My goodness, thank you so much. It's been an hour.
Speaker 1: I can honestly could go on and on. I just
Speaker 1: can't even imagine. The stories that you hold and the
Speaker 1: work that you do is not just helping people, but
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, even as an attorney when I
Speaker 1: was practicing, you carry the burden of your clients pain
Speaker 1: and difficulty and suffering with you. So the fact that
Speaker 1: you're able to do that, um, for the sake of
Speaker 1: helping people. You know, that's amazing. So may you know
Speaker 1: God bless you and your continuing your work. And when
Speaker 1: we wrap up, I'm going to tell our listeners where
Speaker 1: they can find all of your work. And I really
Speaker 1: hope to see your book get published because I will
Speaker 1: certainly be one of your first readers. But thank you
Speaker 1: so much. If you want to get in touch with
Speaker 1: John and find out all about her and read her writings,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's a fantastic writer, just check out her
Speaker 1: website again. It's j Mancy dot com. That's a welled
Speaker 1: J M A N s y dot com and there
Speaker 1: you will find links to her various blogs. Also, if
Speaker 1: you scroll down to the bottom of any one of
Speaker 1: her web pages, you'll see handles for Twitter, Instagram, and
Speaker 1: Facebook and you can contact her there. You can also
Speaker 1: book a session with her by clicking on the page
Speaker 1: titled Rukaya Center, and can also check out her shop.
Speaker 1: Right now, she's selling this beautiful deck of cards called
Speaker 1: the Ascension Deck that has um this gorgeous calligraphy and
Speaker 1: the names of God on them. They're really beautiful. Um So, anyhow,
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that. I hope you follow her
Speaker 1: on Instagram. She does great videos. Um and reach out
Speaker 1: to her if you if you have questions or anything,
Speaker 1: and I hope, well we get to have her back
Speaker 1: on sometime. I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much
Speaker 1: as I did. Now there are as many people in
Speaker 1: the world with Jin stories as there are gin, so
Speaker 1: if you have one you'd like to share, make sure
Speaker 1: to email it to me at the Hidden Gin at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. That's the Hidden Gin. Th H E
Speaker 1: H I D d N d J I n N
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. And until next time, remember we
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