WEBVTT - I See Djinn 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.440 Welcome to The Hidden Gin, a production of I Heart 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:09.880 Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:32.959 is advised, Hi, and welcome to this very special bonus 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.280 series of The Hidden Gin. The interviews. In these episodes, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.559 you'll hear me talk to people from all walks of 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.640 life who have had GIN experiences, are drawn to the 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.600 stories of Gin and draw lessons from these stories. You'll 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:51.400 hear from artists, scholars, writers, journalists, and gin exorcists, and 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.840 even from me as I discuss how and why this 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:58.240 series came about in a very personal conversation with my husband. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:05.920 Thanks for listening and enjoy. So this will be the 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.319 final episode that tracks with the main series, but I've 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.280 been holding onto this UM Today's interview for quite a while. 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.920 I've been really excited about it because our final episode, 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.880 if you've listened to it yet, it's called Exorcism, and 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:22.240 so our guest today is kind of perfect for this subject. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.280 And I was actually introduced to her by one of 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:25.920 our other guests, one of the other guests I had 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:30.559 on earlier actor who pointed me towards um this guest 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.240 and said, hey, you might want to check her out, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.720 and I was fascinated when I did, so I'd like 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.560 to introduce you to my guest today. Her name is 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:42.040 Jihan Mancy. Jihan is a spiritualist and a writer, and 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:46.319 she practices something called alchimistic or maybe that's what she 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.960 calls and I'm not sure, but she says her alchimistic 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.960 style is a blend of comedic alchemy and Islamic ESO terrorism. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.760 She writes a couple of columns for a online magazine 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.280 called MS Muslim. She's also a TV writer and you know, 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.000 she basically was doing these columns formison which I read 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.880 I just blew through. Um. And then she decided to 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.840 kind of write about other things and introduced a personal 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.120 blog called Mystic Musings, where she shares her sacred knowledge 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.400 that she's acquired over the years. She's really active on Instagram. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:20.240 I've seen her do Instagram live videos on these things. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.480 And her website is j Mancy dot com. It's j 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.720 M A N. S y dot com. Um And basically 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.280 she's dedicated her life to metaphysics, self healing and alcomizing 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.360 your soul in order to live your truth in alignment 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:40.240 with your highest good. Johan is based in California, and Um, 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.680 she spends her life helping people who come to her 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:49.200 out of great desperate spiritual need, people who oftentimes believe 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.519 that they have some kind of a gin possession or 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:56.000 attack on them. Before doing this work, she was an 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.799 academic publishing and that was her field. But now she's 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.240 dedicated her life, uh to helping people who really have 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.079 nowhere else to turn. So check out my interview with 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.960 John because, believe me, you never heard a story like this. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.480 So I first want to say that, UM, I don't 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.200 even know where to start with you. I'll be honest, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:19.160 because I just learned of your work not too long ago. 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.799 Now that you're this episode is going to run kind 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.519 of as our season finale in a way, because it's like, 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.760 to me, you are bringing so much together that we're 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.720 gonna have covered over the season and your own personal 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.480 experiences too. But I hadn't heard of your work until 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.560 very recently, and then it was like this rabbit hole 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.600 I've read like, I couldn't stop reading your blogs. I 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:45.080 couldn't start with your college. Yeah, fascinating, But here's here's 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.000 what I don't want to do. Um. I've already introduced 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.960 you and the listeners. You know, I have a little 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:50.960 bit of information about what you do, but I want 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.320 to start off by can you tell us a little 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.200 bit of actually about your personal background if you don't mind, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.480 kind of like you know, ethnically, where you're from, Um, 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.360 where are you from the United States? A little just 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.360 about your person story. Yeah. So I'm very proud that 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:10.760 I'm from Ohio, uh, California with my husband. My family 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.440 and my parents are from Egypt. So I was raising 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:19.960 a very progressive Islamic household and stressed that because my 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.760 parents always allowed us to be very open with our 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.200 questions and discussions, so nothing was like off the table. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:30.240 So I really credit them for my spiritual growth. They're 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.479 not happy be with what I do, but they're not 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.520 they're not happy with what you do. Are they scared 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.839 of what you do? Is at it? I think because 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.279 in Egypt, the people who um claim to be healers 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:47.200 or seers typically their cons and they just end up 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.880 taking your money. There's like a bad reputation. But you know, 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.120 my parents need to understand we're in America now, things 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.760 are different. So you will be shocked. You'll be You'll 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.960 be shocked to learn that your parents and my parents 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.560 feel very similarly because what I told them I'm going 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.680 to law school. They're like, listen back home, all the 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.520 lawyers of crooks and uh don't go into law. And 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.800 I was like, where in America. It's a different situation here. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.880 But my family from Bokadan, so I understand that whole thing. 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.880 But um, so you grew up in Ohio. But professionally, 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.360 I'm like, this is not something of what was done, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.320 Like spiritual healing was not as your profession did. My 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.799 career before this, I was an academic publishing and I 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.760 was really burned out with corporate world. So I left 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.279 UM a few years ago to try to pursue writing 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.400 full time. I have. I worked on a Manu script. 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.279 I wanted to be an author and be the Muslim 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.240 version of Nora Roberts, and I came across this Muslim Um. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:39.760 I decided to write for them. So I wrote two 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.279 columns and my good friend Jinn, who's the founder of 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.559 this Muslim kept urging me to be more open about 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.440 my spirituality. And she was like, you're holding back a lot, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.800 and I can tell why don't you just come out 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.320 and talk more about the depth of your spiritual thoughts, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:55.440 and I was like, I don't know if people are 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.200 gonna say I'm a witch, and I was I used 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.719 to be really afraid about label, so I kind of 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.680 just threw myself into it. I became a little bit 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.440 more public with what I do. I met Kredsmen at 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.640 the time as just a friend, but our friendship grew 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.680 because of our spirituality, a spiritual connection, and he was 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.080 the one who encouraged me actually to do the spiritual 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.320 work as a business. And I was really instant. And 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.600 then I was making a lot of difference within the community, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.720 not just the Islamic community and the Egyptian community, but 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.440 the non Muslims who I was working with. So I 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.400 kind of went with it. And then now I have 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.120 a full fledged business. That's kind of amazing. But let 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.000 me so let me. I want to know kind of 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.120 like how this all began. I mean, one thing I've 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:40.800 heard about when it when it comes to pe and 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.240 I feel like somebody has cemented over my third eye 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:44.600 or something. I feel like one of those people for 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.560 whom the veil is very thick, you know. Even though 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.839 I'm like I feel like I'm open to it, I'm like, yeah, yeah, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.000 you know I'd be interested in like perceiving things. It 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.440 just doesn't happen for me, but I've heard that it 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.920 actually for people who have that ability. It's almost like 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:00.599 ain in the family off and you know a lot 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.560 of times in the matriarchal line, when did it become 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.880 apparent to you that you could sense things that other 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.680 people could not. So first, I do want to quickly 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.360 say we all had the capability to open up our gifts, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.040 and especially as Muslim's, the biggest benefit we have is 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.800 the ninety nine names. So there are specific names of 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.520 dog you can chant to give your third eye lastic 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.800 surgery and to south the channel um and to open 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.160 up those types of senses. But when I was eight 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.080 years old, I had my first encounter with the spirit, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.360 and I thought everybody could see. It was my aunt 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.320 who had passed that summer, and I woke up mill 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.280 of the night and I was having a full fledged 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.400 conversation with her and I told my mom about it. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.360 My mom was like, she freaked out because she thought 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.240 I was traumatized from the death of my aunt. And 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.240 when I was repeating things back to my mom about 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.120 what my aunt said, my mom froze and she then knew, Okay, 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.680 there's something really going spiritual going on, and my mom 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:03.120 believes in this. So from her reaction, I kind of 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:07.560 shut down a little bit, and it wasn't discussed. Um. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.640 In my high school years, and I started becoming more 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.280 involved with the mosque and praying more and just kind 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.320 of allowing myself to be a more immersed in the 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.040 Islamic culture. Prior opens us up as well. So I 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.080 started having dreams where they were coming true, and I 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.360 didn't understand that either. And I would talk to my 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.480 parents about it, and they could have given me great 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.200 stories about profit USEF, but they couldn't really give me 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.480 the answers of what was going on. And then all 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.600 throughout my twenties, UM, I was sensing things and I 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.640 couldn't put my finger on it. And then that age 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.480 in the medical world, I coded, so I lost a 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.080 heartbeat for about a minute. So I transitioned to the 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.079 next realm and you see the whole white light. All 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.280 of that's true, But the first energy I connected with 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.800 was profit Jesus, and I wasn't expecting that, right, I'm 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.080 expecting to connect with profit moment because I almost and 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.199 I saw myself on the operating table. I saw everything 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:12.040 that happened during a surgery or I was getting ready 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.480 to move to California. I was packing. It was my 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.240 first move out of my home. I think I had 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.720 a lot of anxiety and a lot of fear over that, 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:25.840 and I just the weight of stress. I collapsed. I 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.720 just dropped and that my friend rushed to the hospital 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.319 and I took a while for them to resuscitate me. Well, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.280 it was technically I was out for about a minute, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.800 a minute and a half. Um that minute and a half, though, 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.160 felt like a lifetime to me because I saw myself 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.040 on operating table, came back to life. I told it 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.600 act what happened, and he was like a lot of 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.840 people had these experiences. He UM encouraged. I read a 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.080 book I think it was called The Proof of Heaven, 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.880 and I was expecting him to say I had a 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:02.000 psychotic break, because in mid to late twenties people have 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.560 like psychosis break, so I thought I had something UM. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.560 About two weeks later, I moved to California and it 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.640 was like I couldn't stop seeing spirits. So you know, 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:18.000 we share this world with the unseen, but it was unreal. 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:19.960 It was like I would be walking down the street 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.080 and I would be bombarded with spirits and I knew 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.600 they were spirits because they didn't look like actual humans. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.440 But I felt like I had lost my mind. I 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.800 was convinced I had a psychotic break. Okay, John, I 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.760 gotta stop, because I have so many questions already that 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.200 have like they're they're backing up before I forget. First, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:39.960 I need to know more about what happened you in 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.320 that minute and a half and you you say you 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.640 saw Jesus. Now, just for people who are not musliman 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.840 listen to this podcast, um. John also mentioned profit use 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.360 if that's Joseph, and so, you know, Muslims believe in 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.680 all the biblical prophets, and Joseph, we know there's stories 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.040 around him and his ability to have these dreams in 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.400 which he had incredible premonitions and powers to the dreams. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.880 But Jesus is also considered a prophet. I mean, we 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.559 don't worship Jesus the way Christians do, but we believe 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.560 he's like one of the most powerful profits. And so 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.400 that's why Johan, you know, referred to Jesus prophet Jesus. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.960 So did did you talk to him like what happening 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.760 I need to know. We introduced himself as Jesus. It's 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.360 also the image of Jesus in my mind is what 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:22.520 we've seen, like you know, light brown hair, color, white 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.800 colored skin. So he introduced himself as Jesus. He said, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.520 I'm I'm Jesus. And what did he look like? Was 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.280 it not? Was it not what you had seen? Like? 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.200 Well you what we see in our western kind of 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.920 uh iconic. Ree saw more of like a shadowy figure, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.480 so I could tell the profile of his space, but 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.160 I couldn't really make out all of his features. And 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.280 I don't know if this is something that profits are 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.400 usually masked like with angels. I don't see there of 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:52.280 angels become as lights. But his voice was really it 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.920 was deep, but also in a way lights that makes sense, warm, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:01.680 really at peace, like I felt like I wasn't crazy. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.520 I felt like this was all happening in a divine 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:10.000 manner um the type of brightness like the bright light 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.640 you see it feels like you're catapulted through a tunnel 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.520 of white light. So I also thought that was that 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.000 I'm dead, like I'm not coming back to life. But 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:24.440 he told me you're gonna be Okay, but you're meant 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.800 to be a healer. You're meant to heal. And again 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:28.960 I'm drinking. I mean, I'm thought to the l A. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:34.680 I'm like starting any life, right, I'm gonna go sell textbooks, right. Oh. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.480 I didn't understand any of the messages that he did 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:41.160 tell me he was gonna heal through my hands. Well again, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.840 prior to this, I had no experience in the healing word. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.760 I thought all this stuff was hot or unlawful as 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.680 what we say. I thought all this was like double work. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:59.440 So coming back from that, I questioned a lot about faith. Yeah, okay, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.840 so when you say that opened up kind of like 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.200 a portal, like like it's almost like, uh, you had 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.720 glimpses before that, but this kind of like just blew 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.480 the damn wide open kind of pulled me into a 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.720 different realm. Was that Was that a terrifying experience for 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.760 you to suddenly be like I really convinced that I 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.520 had like maybe schizophrenia. Even though I couldn't hear spirits, 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.240 I thought I was having hallucinations. So I saw three 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.200 different psychiatrists in l A. And I was like, you 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.559 have to test me. I think I had this psychotic 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.000 break and everything came back normal, and I was like, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:37.080 you're missing something. And then I went to at the 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.640 time living in l A, I went to a called 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.040 the Psychic Guide Bookshop and I walked in and went 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.439 straight to the book's book shelf and I was just 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.040 trying to find something and the lady had walked up 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:49.679 to me and she was like, oh, you should look 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.600 at this book and it was something about medium ship 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:53.640 and I was like, I don't do this. I muscle. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.520 She was like, okay, you have a lot to learn. 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.920 And she's like, why don't you take my class. Um 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.160 it's like with like wiccan one on one and I 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.560 was like, I must. I don't believe in this. I 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:09.840 can't do the stuff. Yeah, And so I went and 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.840 it really opened them eyes. Energy work, So I started 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.880 learning about energy. Then I jumped from that to working 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.360 or studying with different um schools of thought and the occult. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.680 So the O cult can also include obviously magic, and 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.680 I kept thinking there has to be a huge realm 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.640 to this with Islam. So I grew up reading Imma 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.200 Gazetti um e an Oudoby like, let me revisit that 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.280 and let me see if I can find the Islamic 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.440 version of this. All I'm working, like you know, forty 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.920 hours a week my career. Then I started meditating, and 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.800 I learned how to meditate through a Buddhist temple, and 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.480 I came across the shape in about two or three years. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.040 From that whole things, I'm taking years of just learning 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.920 about the occult in general and different forms of the occult. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.600 Then I found a really great shape the ship I 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.960 worked with more just one on one, and he really 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.440 helped me kind of circled us all back to source 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.560 and he taught me about Islamic meditation. He taught me 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.880 that Islam has their own chakra system and to work 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.760 with the names of Allah. So everything just kind of started. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.160 I mean, this was years worth of studying. So then 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.080 I just decided, oh, maybe I should start helping people 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.080 on the side, like for fun, let me practice. So 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.320 I started helping friends and word was getting out. And 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.640 then after a few years, I think at that point 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.920 five years later was when my now husband was encouraging 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:43.040 me to so can I ask you, throughout these years 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.160 of study, as you were trying to figure out like 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.320 what was happening and how to understand it in your 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.040 own kind of context. And really, I mean, I'm one 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.760 of those people. I'm an observant Muslim. Um, I just 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.600 think it's one source and it's just kind of branched 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.160 out into different ways of understanding, like the same things. Um, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.120 you're still seeing spirits. And let me ask you one thing. 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.360 You say you're saying spirits, you're not saying jin. Are 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.760 they different things? I have gotten this question, and I 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:14.160 don't know the answer. So Jim does mean spirit. There's 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.920 differents of gin. There's good jin, there's bad jin. Jim 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.960 can convert to any religion. And I used the all 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.440 encompassing term of spirit because Jim still shocks people. So 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.560 I just feel like spirit just hasn't easier. So when 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.800 you're saying you saw spirits, you're not saying you saw 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.480 like let's say, lingering dead people you saw like you're 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.480 saying jin. No, I can see both. So the first 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.000 apartment I had moved into an l a after this 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:45.040 whole event dying and coming back to life. Um, I 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.680 woke up more the night with the spirit in my face. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.200 She was missing eyes and a mouth. And later, when 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:57.720 the spirit is missing features, it's um a spirit who 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.880 suffering or a spirit of the dark. So that sleep 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.840 paralysis that you get, that that means a spirit is 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.560 trying to either enter your body, take your soul, or 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.240 mess with you spiritually. And then the sleep procesis happens 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.879 usually in a specific time frame middle of the night. 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:17.280 So the sleep procesis, you know, happened. I was frozen 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.119 and the spirit is in front of me and just 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.879 like my face and I just kept reciting Um the 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.040 shah Haddah, the testimony of faith, and I ate the corsie, 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.359 and then eventually the spirit left. It was three in 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.040 the morning. She came back to visit me again at 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.000 three thirty three the next day and she told me, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:40.400 I need your help. I'm stuck. So I went back 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.000 to UM that's like the guy bookshop. I told the 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.720 lady what happened, and she's like, oh, no big deal, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.800 you just need an exorcism on the apartment. It's like 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.280 what she came to my house. Turns out this girl 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.960 was like wrong place, wrong time. She had been murdered 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.240 in my apartment. Landlord didn't tell me, and her family 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.399 had no idea what happens, and she needed to be 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:06.000 crossed over. So all this tack and I'm thinking, oh 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.200 my god, I moved to like the land of like 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.960 satanic work. Like I had no idea what any of 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:15.560 this meant, so I didn't see her as her full self. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.400 I saw her as a suffering spirit. And then when 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.280 she traditions in that process of me watching the lady 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.600 do the exorcism, she just elevated into pure white light. 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.359 Then I was able to see her as her human self. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:35.000 She thanked us, and then she ended up transitioning. Okay, 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:40.439 so let me ask you this um, over the years, 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.880 other than this one spirit, like, have you had contact? 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:46.840 Is this like something that's happened more than once where 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.040 you had the spirits of people have passed and come 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.639 to you or jin contact you or come in some 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.800 kind of encounter with you personally one on one instead 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.280 of you just seeing them, but actually engage you for 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.160 some reason. Just walking outside my house, if I'm walking 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.440 down the street, I can see if the spirit wants 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.000 to come and get a message out to somebody. But 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.760 I don't go around offering, you know, on solicited advice 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.080 like a lot of these shows you see people in 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.520 the camera spotor medium. So I don't do that, but 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.240 I do get a lot of dreams from spirits as well. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:25.560 And I I've noticed when I wear a hat because 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.760 my our crown chapra sits on the top of our head. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.240 That's the way mediums communicate is through the crown chapra. 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.440 So if I wear a hat or cover my hair 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.119 of some sort, I'm not as open. Or if I 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:41.560 wear UM certain color clothing, or like I keep bracelets 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.960 on my left side, and that also tends to keep 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.600 me more grounded. I don't know why, but that works 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.600 for me. But I'm constantly on if that makes sense. No, 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.880 I can. I can understand that immicate of perceiving things 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:55.919 nobody else is perceiving. But I'm just wondering, how does 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.919 that How how does that affect your own mental health? 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:06.639 I mean so, I think it takes an enormous amount 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:14.000 of UM patients and being grounded. So I have moments 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.440 where like, I just can't really socialize a lot because 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.840 people's energies can drain me a lot of time to 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.200 be with myself or to just be at home. UM 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:28.320 meditating a lot keeps me grounded. I chant so many 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.280 times throughout the day, not just protection phrases like the 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.520 shado or anything of ete of corsi, but just the 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.120 names of God, and that safeguards me. It doesn't get 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.160 overwhelming and less. I'm working with the client who has 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.679 a lot of darkness and the ginner. Of course, they 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.080 don't want to leave most of the time. So when 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.600 there's things like backlash and I'm kind of at like 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.320 spiritual war on behalf of the client, that's when they 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:57.600 can get um troubling. It can conflict where it affects 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:01.200 my daily life, or it can interfere between my husband 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.440 and I, like maybe we'll get an argument, for example, 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.800 But there are things that usually passed fairly quickly. There's 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.320 some disharmony, but it'll balance back out. So speaking of 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.720 your clients, um, so how how long? First of all, 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:19.320 have you been actually taking clients? Eight years? Oh? Eight years? Okay? 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.119 Are they mostly in California or like, is it across 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.440 the country? All over the world, So there's a COVID. 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.680 I'm now primarily distance based. I can do healing work 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.720 from a distance, but clients find me out um all 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.440 over the world to heal them. I want to talk 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:36.560 to you about a couple of stories that I read 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:42.000 on your blog. The first story is it was. It 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.480 kind of shocked me for a second, UM, because I 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.720 don't know if you know too much about my my 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.680 work and and kind of like what I primarily do. 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.199 But it was a story about UM, a young man 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.960 I think who had been murdered and his family wasn't 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.720 a lot of distress, and you helped identify the suspect 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.679 in the case. Can you tell me a little bit 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:08.760 about that case first and what happened there? UM. I 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:14.720 can't get to go to a specific because they the 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:20.240